This video was made before the event, and they did disrupt it. They complained to the EU comission that we were in league with big tobacco and had the conference banned. Rather ironic that a conference about the government banning things should be banned.
I dont think he can helen. Ze Dolly Dots you have no proof whatsoever this is lobbyism or that we are funded in any way by the Tobacco Companies. This ban only shows the other side having something to hide.
What are the EU doing sifling free speech, well obviously they are scared that the real truth will emerge and they will be made to look like a bunch of liars.
Well we know that already, good luck at the conference and enjoy some nice tobacco products.
When the truth is out we can all enjoy a nice Churchill Cigar.
Just as you said, as soon as an anti is challenged to come up with facts instead of tax payer funded vacuous diatribe, they do a runner.
Danny, how does it feel to be a tool of the anti-tobacco industry? How does it feel to be a slave to the Pharmaceutical industry sponsored health fascism? How does it feel to promote the sale of nicotine products sourced from Big Tobacco? How does it feel to promote the sale of addictive anti-depressants and other proven lethal drugs? we are on to you!
He he! The antis think they can stop the conference by denying us the use of the parliament building. Ha, the deluded fools.
All they've achieved is added extra publiclity to the conference which will go ahead regardless of venue. The antis are losing the war, and they are resorting to futile acts of corruption to cling to their illgotten power.
Thanks for all your help promoting the TICAP conference Danny. Your repeated comments have not only helped to boost this videos ratings, but have also demonstrated the weakness of the anti smoking fraudsters.
Typical retort from a mouthpiece of the pharmaceutical companies who, along with ASH (spit,) use smokers money to vilify 14 million citizens of the UK in the form of tax and the laughable 'charity' status you so undeserve! I, and HairyChestnuts speak for smokers, not the tobacco industry who are in a win win situation, they have no need of us. We will fight the liars and purveyors of hate toward the legal activity of smoking and the smoker. If you think we are a pushover...THINK AGAIN.
So while I have to work my nuts off to scrape a living and pay bills, the likes of Danny Clayton are paid with my tax money to watch my videos. I should be angry, but I find it reasuring that we must be striking a nerve, since the antis have to waste their lobbying money paying jumped up little jobworths to watch youtube.
The Euro parliament abandoned their smoking ban after only 43 days, they got fed up with going out for a smoke, so they voted to go back inside to enjoy their cigs in nice warm dedicated smoking areas in bars, coffee rooms and offices.
Do not worry though the Euro MPS are safe from SHS, its just eveyone else who is at risk.
Yeah I wonder how much Mr Clayton lines up in his pocket from taxpayers money which could be spent on better things such as improving the UK's Third World like rail system. If it werent for the cash wasted on ASH and similar organisations the whole of the principal railway lines would by now have been electrified and up to the standard of other European countries.
THAT's the best you've got? Implying that people who want to protect their health are genocidal maniacs? And you seriously wonder why you tobacco lobbyists have lost all credibility? If your arguments are so pathetic that your only line of defence is sour grapes, could you PLEASE at least make your name-calling creative and original? Or is that beyond you too?
I pity you U092. Clearly you have surrendered your freedom long ago to the lying health facists. You would happily believe the garbage of the anti smoking lobby without question. You are most welcome to attend the conference, then you would learn the truth about the bigoted liers that you worship so foolishly.
Big tobacco (as you put it) has nothing to gain from overturning smoking bans since everywhere bans are introduced, cigarette sales increase.
Nobody likes being dictated to by lying anti smoking bigots, consequently the first act of rebelion is always higher smoking rates.
If you really want people to quit smoking, you need only have left us alone. Prior to smoking bans, smoking rates were dropping. Post ban, that trend has been reversed.
If you had even an ounce of independent thought, you would have tried looking for this elledged evidence that you like to believe.
Then you would have rapidly discovered that no evidence exists. This is the standard mantra of the anti smoking bigots. They can't prove risk, so they simply claim they can and refuse to discuss the issue further.
The antis are the mad priests of the healthist religion, you are the gulible flat earth socviety that worships their mantra, and we are the enlightened ones fighting to expose the lies to free all of us (you included) from their corrupt regime.
There is no reason to believe that smoking bans make people live longer, that is a baseless supposition spread by imbeciles. There is however plenty of evidence of smoking bans causing economic damage, unemployment and deppression. These things all have adverse effects on peoples health. On top of which, all the money squandered on fraudulent anti smoking propaganda should have been spent on researching the true causes of cancer.
And for your information, the huge multi national conglomerates are not tobacco companies, they're the pharmacutical industries that fund anti smoking lobby groups to press for smoking bans in the hope of increasing demand for their dangerous smoking cessation products. I say dangerous, because at least one of them has been demonstrated to cause depression and suicidal tendancies.
what and smoking doesn't cause cause you to live (on average) for 15 years less?
Why on earth would pharma companies spend money using pressure groups to place their product? Surely with their billions they can afford the best marketing there is?
and you call anti-smoking groups imbeciles. Also you say BT aren't huge multinationals?Last time I checked 4/5 companies have 80%+ of the tobacco market.
Last time I checked the job of pharama was to prolong life, the results of smoking is to end it.
The longest living people in history have all been smokers.
The financial support anti smoking lobby groups receive from pharmacutical companies is well documented. And the scientists that produce the garbage studies are all funded either directly by pharma, or indirectly through the anti smoking groups.
And where do you think the nicotine in patches and gums comes from? The tobacco market provides far more than just cigarettes.
I would assume your aren't stupid enough to debate that smoking kills?(even BT admit this on their own sites) so your comment about the longest living people is really redundant considering this point.
I never denied the financial support to anti smoking groups.I suppose you know that Forest is 90% funded by BT as well?
Nicotine on its own is much less harmful than the filth cigarettes and cigars contain.
for 40/50 years BT denied smoking was bad, wonder when you'll admit the same with SHS...
Under the terms of the master settlement agreement, the tobacco industry was forced to admit that smoking was harmfull on condition that no litigation would be placed against them. They were told that sooner or later proof of risk would be found, and if they didn't admit it in advance they would be decimated by compensation claims. This saved the anti smoking groups from having to present any evidence to support their claims.
Anyone stupid enough to believe smoking kills simply because people with money and power say so, deserves to live in a dictatorship. Smoking might kill, but we need proof, not baseless accusations.
If guess you believe if you say a lie long enough it becomes true. I am very familiar with the evidence against tobacco, it is overwhelming. Pretending it isn't real is not enlightened, it is just plain ignorant. Enjoy your ignorance!
The antis have said the lie long enough in the hope it becomes true. Risk from SHS is the biggest load of b#llocks imaginable. And the fact that the antis are trying so hard to prevent the TICAP conference from exposing that lie, is proof in itself of the anti smoking fraud.
They'll still keep going, even when I'm wiping them off my shoe. There's definitely no limits with them. Going into nurseries is an utter disgrace.
I have young children, luckily they've been brought up to question things that don't seem quite right, even if it does annoy their teachers!
I was always known as the 'But Why?' girl at school and would never take 'because I say so' as an answer I wanted a true answer and never an opinion. Glad I've passed down that characteristic.
The small ones? That's amazing. It just shows really how much of an issue this is to people around the world.
There's nothing wrong with catering for everyone is there, particularly when that's what the markets and the people want.
Social engineering has never worked in the past, (they've ended in disasters). The antis seriously need their 'heads testing' if they think that propaganda and lies will ever win over truth.
I believe that the media will be there. This conference is the first of its kind, and it is very, very big. People from mainland Europe are much more tolerant than here when it comes to informed lifestyle choices and tend to cater for all their citizens, unlike here. They're certain to embrace this and so will their media. If our media ignore it, they'll look even more like HMG's poodles.
I've no problems royandrew - there's plenty going on now at the moment with the recent lies that have been exposed, isn't there? I bet the antis are shaking in their boots with their empire falling around upon them.
The only thing I can't understand is why it took so long. Can you?
Same here Helen, I cleared the cookies and cache and shut down the PC. Restarted and the vid started working but then stopped. Doesn't work now. I think the Spooks in the UK have banned me.
xyzto1. Use your search engine for UKNSCC 2008 and when you get to the site have a look at the " Sponsors and Exhibitors", it's on the RH side. Big Pharma the Anti-Smoking Organisations and Charities.
Exocet, no guessing who sponsored that conferance, it Big Pharma were not involved, I would be amazed. They need as many places as they can with their multi -billion dollar, "thereaputic nicotine" hmm, yes nicotine is obviously "thereaputic" beats anti-depressants. I prefer to smoke mine, I do not find sticking patches wherever "thereaputic" at all.
mandyv
freedom2choose info for smokers and non-smokers alike, fighting for choice and TRUTH
You mention Doll - a total hypocrite who should have been tried like the rest of them. Chaser of the funding, that's what I'll remember him for. What does our country do - honour him!
You know, I've just read an email from someone from the US and I was gobsmacked. I didn't realise the health lobbies could stoop so low. Apparantly now in certain states of the US, asbestos isn't really life-threatening, it is just one-of-those-things.
Passive smoking is more of a risk! Are these lobbyists totally insane or what?
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Just thinking though, with this being an international event, even if the British media are restricted from reporting it, they can't restrict the press from the other countries, and we live in a very small world now.
The Anti-Smoking lobby have been working with the Government since 1999 and they used the massive public health network to get the ban tagged onto a Health Bill. If the Smoking Ban had been a separate Bill it would not have got through either in Scotland or England.
Ah well - I think that most people have had enough of their lie - 'it's for the children'. Everything they seem to do is supposedly 'for the children'. Utter rubbish! It is just so that they can control us and have us all living the same robotic existence, doing as they say.
Don't they realise that many in the general public are aware of propaganda techniques and emotive blackmail such as health?
They can carry on spending their millions, but it won't make an ounce of difference.
MzProgressive: I know how you feel, the adverts over here are all about not endangering children with SHS,makes you sick.The Anti-Smokers have no ethics.
Hey! That's OUR "sin tax" money these parasites are spending!
Here on the "other side" ... NY Quits just started airing these HEINOUS ads showing some poor woman getting a light tube shoved down her throat to reveal a cancerous windpipe. I am SO SICK of this effing GROTESQUE PROPAGANDA INVADING MY HOME!!! And the networks are such whores ... that if you switch stations, within 2 minutes you will see the same damned ad shown on the competitor's screens!
On top of all that, helen, the ammount of money poured into their anti smoking advertisments is an insult to taxpayers. Especially when I can fly a virtual bomber for nothing.
The amount of money going into anti-smoking to create highly paid non-jobs is scandalous. What are the results so far - a greater smoker prevalence rate, thousands of jobs and business lost, increased violence (rape and murder in some cases), many of the elderly left in isolation and communities broken.
I cannot believe with the economy how it is that millions is still being pumped into this failed experiment of social engineering.
anfy180. In the current economic recession all Government money spent on Tobacco Control should be stopped to ensure that Frontline NHS services continue at the current levels. the days of the Anti-Smoking "Gravy Train" are over.
the papers are just wainting for the antis advertising money to runout smoking/fat/drink whole page spreads at the moment.Then they can go back to telling the truth again.keep up the good work mr chestnuts.
MzProgressive: All you need to do is use your search and type in " TICAP Prohibition" and you will find the TICAP site.All the information about the conference programme is on there together with a list of speakers.
They shoiuld look at the sponsors then shouldn't they? If they go down that route they would have even more egg on ther faces. Let them do it. They'll be the laughing stock
If news of this conference manages to get past government suppression and it is on TV, radio and newspapers, I wonder who will be the first agency to try and say that Big Tobacco are behind it!!!!
It will be interesting to see the responses from the Anti-Smoking lobby tomorrow as they have all been enjoying the holiday period while their world is collapsing around them.
You're right there Exocet. There's so many lies been told now, at least this conference will expose them all once and for all. The ban should be repealed and an independent enquiry held in my opinion
I'm working again as well now. Very, very strange.
Anyway, back on topic, can't wait for the conference and the truth it will break. Many BBC listeners (aka gov't) will be godsmacked, no doubt. They have to know though, it's only right to be told the truth afterall. Even if they don't like it. The truth always prevails and no amount of money and funding will ever stop it
Even though I can't see the video for some reason I can still comment. If it has been removed because of the Anti-Smokers complaints then DEMOCRACY IS DEAD>
I have no problems, but I've noticed a slow down trying to watch videos online at different times of day and on different days. Weekend afternoons are often worst due to high volumes of internet trafic. And this being the tail end of the holiday season, I expect lots of people who have blown all their beer money are just sitting about at home surfing the net.
I've had a lot of trouble viewing this video as well. It kept saying that it was unavailable - never had that before. It's working now though for me, but I've noticed that others have had trouble viewing as well
Another brilliant video, the truth must come out and these bigots be exposed for what they are, lying do gooders that don't see that they are causing more harm than good.
Why they continue to bully and persecute their own citizens (when sensible, alternative solutions are fully available at little cost) is beyond the sense of any normal individual who hasn't been brainwashed by the propaganda.
Fund the true scientists please and stop funding those with an agenda.
I had to laugh at GB's blitz spirit though! I'd give blitz spirit if we were fighting for our country again, but we're not - GB's fighting for the other side. He can sink, just like Hitler did
Dorm2003 - you're too right there. There's loads talking about this. Most people know these days that the internet and word-of-mouth are the only true media tools. Everything else is just government propaganda to the enlightened.
No wonder the government are trying to censor the internet, lol:
They've no chance. They haven't got a clue when it comes to free speech - they can't stop it either as we supposedly live in a free country! Unless they introduce yet another ban.
I was planning to be there, but work has got in the way. I wait with baited breath to see if the British media act as if there is nothing happening. I know one thing, there are a lot of people who know all about this and have been planning for months a way to attempt a counter attack. The power of t'internet, I still honestly believe that certain people, including that Brown creature, havn't got a fuckin clue what is happening. FELIS NUEVO ANO to everyone who knows me or wishes they did lol
They said that the reason for smoking bans was to protect workers from SHS but we all know that the Government is trying to meet a target of reducing the number of smokers by 2010. ANOTHER LIE from the Anti-Smoking lobby.
Happy new year everybody, except the antis of course. Those nazi bigots will have a bloody miserable 2009. Having squandered 2008 spreading their lies only for us to tear apart and disprove so easily. 2009 is our turn on the offensive, and starting with TICAP the worlds eyes will be opened at last.
I get a message that says"We're sorry,this video is no longer available".Have the Anti-Smoking lobby struck again and had it removed. Funny how the TRUTH hurts.
The BBC can lie all they like, but the conference is global and will attract global media. It may not help Britian immediately, but if just one country overturns or rejects the introduction of a smoking ban as a result of what is reported, then its a success.
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Anyone have the BBC's email address so we can forward this to them/ If you see a bunch of people wearing matching T-Shirts in Brussels wonder why they aren't at work like normal people. Being paid for it are they? Like all anti-tobacco, it's just a bunch of lies from heavily funded groups...
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This is a fucking bullshit!!!!!
Lujasogi 2 years ago
This video was made before the event, and they did disrupt it. They complained to the EU comission that we were in league with big tobacco and had the conference banned. Rather ironic that a conference about the government banning things should be banned.
HairyChestnuts 2 years ago
Jef in Dallas, Texas here. I'm watching this while drinking a Newcastle and smoking a cigar.
Bully to you! You will always have my full support!
mayej 2 years ago 7
Germany's first smoking ban was introduced by The Führer himself in 1941.
Did you know that the EU's Europe-wide smoking ban does NOT apply to the EU buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg ?
No standing outside in the rain and snow for the authors of this legislation.
Vote EU sceptical in June's European elections.
Spenner56 3 years ago 10
I dont think he can helen. Ze Dolly Dots you have no proof whatsoever this is lobbyism or that we are funded in any way by the Tobacco Companies. This ban only shows the other side having something to hide.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago 8
ZeDollyDots - you could at least expand. I can't understand why you say that seeing as you haven't given an explanation.
Perhaps you could explain why this conference was prohibited at the latest possible opportunity and the organisers not informed?
Come on now - it had been accepted, agreed and arranged for several months.
That question has still not been answered. Perhaps you can answer it for us all?
helend498 3 years ago 10
BRILLIANT, KEEP IT UP, SO TRUE!
dontknowitall 3 years ago 8
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Disguise your lobbyism as something about freedom, and libertarians will follow you as a bunch of blind ducks. Quack.
ZeDollyDots 3 years ago
prochoicechuckles85 - exactly! I'm hearing a lot more now about there's defintiley something to hide with the banning of this conference.
Aren't they stupid. And they're well-paid for this idiotic and damaging decision - out of my taxes!
helend498 3 years ago 11
Exactly helen the fact they tried to stop it this way only shows they have something to hide.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago 7
The anti-smoking 'charities' and organisations are using every method they can to stop this conference.
They need to understand that no matter how hard they try, the truth can never be hidden
helend498 3 years ago 2
What are the EU doing sifling free speech, well obviously they are scared that the real truth will emerge and they will be made to look like a bunch of liars.
Well we know that already, good luck at the conference and enjoy some nice tobacco products.
When the truth is out we can all enjoy a nice Churchill Cigar.
Botswana7 3 years ago
Great news that the conference is still going ahead. Well done to the organisers for anticipating the underhand tactics of the antis
helend498 3 years ago
Phil
Just as you said, as soon as an anti is challenged to come up with facts instead of tax payer funded vacuous diatribe, they do a runner.
Danny, how does it feel to be a tool of the anti-tobacco industry? How does it feel to be a slave to the Pharmaceutical industry sponsored health fascism? How does it feel to promote the sale of nicotine products sourced from Big Tobacco? How does it feel to promote the sale of addictive anti-depressants and other proven lethal drugs? we are on to you!
andypand20 3 years ago
"Attempt To Silence Freedom Of Speech In The Heart Of The EU" , this is the title of a Press Release from Freedom2choose info .
Google the title during the next 24 hours.
THE CONFERENCE GOES ON JUST OPPOSITE THE EU
PARLIAMENT BUILDING.
exocet123 3 years ago
Great to see that the TICAP conference is going to be in full swing and that the reinforced message from WHO is about to be shattered.
The Euro MPs can watch all the delegates enter the building from their nice indoor smoking areas while enjoying a relaxing smoke.
They may even join attend the conference and reveal the truth.
Botswana7 3 years ago
He he! The antis think they can stop the conference by denying us the use of the parliament building. Ha, the deluded fools.
All they've achieved is added extra publiclity to the conference which will go ahead regardless of venue. The antis are losing the war, and they are resorting to futile acts of corruption to cling to their illgotten power.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Oh come back Danny - that was just starting to get really interesting!
mervintoot 3 years ago
whilst i've enjoyed the correspondance with you and your rational friends i'll think i'll bring it to an end.
Debating known facts with hardened mouth pieces for the tobacco industry is rather tiresome.
Enjoy your fags.
thedannyclayton 3 years ago
Thanks for all your help promoting the TICAP conference Danny. Your repeated comments have not only helped to boost this videos ratings, but have also demonstrated the weakness of the anti smoking fraudsters.
Please feel free to continue, its been a hoot.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Typical retort from a mouthpiece of the pharmaceutical companies who, along with ASH (spit,) use smokers money to vilify 14 million citizens of the UK in the form of tax and the laughable 'charity' status you so undeserve! I, and HairyChestnuts speak for smokers, not the tobacco industry who are in a win win situation, they have no need of us. We will fight the liars and purveyors of hate toward the legal activity of smoking and the smoker. If you think we are a pushover...THINK AGAIN.
TheBigYinme 3 years ago
So while I have to work my nuts off to scrape a living and pay bills, the likes of Danny Clayton are paid with my tax money to watch my videos. I should be angry, but I find it reasuring that we must be striking a nerve, since the antis have to waste their lobbying money paying jumped up little jobworths to watch youtube.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Or maybe you dont want to tell us do you Mr Clayton??
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
cmon tell us what your nice taxpayer funded salary is....
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
thanks Clayton, Danny Clayton.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
Any names and evidence to the 5 million- err NO??
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
The Euro parliament abandoned their smoking ban after only 43 days, they got fed up with going out for a smoke, so they voted to go back inside to enjoy their cigs in nice warm dedicated smoking areas in bars, coffee rooms and offices.
Do not worry though the Euro MPS are safe from SHS, its just eveyone else who is at risk.
Botswana7 3 years ago
And that is only one thing that money could be better spent on instead of lining the pockets of ASH!! Even the NHS would be in a better position.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
Yeah I wonder how much Mr Clayton lines up in his pocket from taxpayers money which could be spent on better things such as improving the UK's Third World like rail system. If it werent for the cash wasted on ASH and similar organisations the whole of the principal railway lines would by now have been electrified and up to the standard of other European countries.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
thedannyclayton- How's ASH Wales doing? He He He
exocet123 3 years ago
A google search allowed me to find out- nice try Danny but you simply couldnt outsmart me and the others!!
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
yeah, nice one Sherlock.
thedannyclayton 3 years ago
Mervin Danny Clayton works for ASH and gets paid to post on here- probably best to ignore him and show his employers for the cranks they really are.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
Hi Danny - just wondered... If there was a couple of pubs in your town that you never went to (because they cater for smokers) would you object?
mervintoot 3 years ago
Im sure it was the Tobacco companies that killed JFK wasnt it danny??
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
BTW those two answers were to you danny.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
THAT's the best you've got? Implying that people who want to protect their health are genocidal maniacs? And you seriously wonder why you tobacco lobbyists have lost all credibility? If your arguments are so pathetic that your only line of defence is sour grapes, could you PLEASE at least make your name-calling creative and original? Or is that beyond you too?
U092 3 years ago
I pity you U092. Clearly you have surrendered your freedom long ago to the lying health facists. You would happily believe the garbage of the anti smoking lobby without question. You are most welcome to attend the conference, then you would learn the truth about the bigoted liers that you worship so foolishly.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Bigots? Ill gotten power? funnily enough those are the sort of words and phrases i'd use to describe Big Tobacco.
Why on earth any of you would waste your time defending some of the most foul companies on earth. Freedom to choose?
Looks like your conference is off as well :)
thedannyclayton 3 years ago
Big tobacco (as you put it) has nothing to gain from overturning smoking bans since everywhere bans are introduced, cigarette sales increase.
Nobody likes being dictated to by lying anti smoking bigots, consequently the first act of rebelion is always higher smoking rates.
If you really want people to quit smoking, you need only have left us alone. Prior to smoking bans, smoking rates were dropping. Post ban, that trend has been reversed.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
As evidence from every country with draconian smoking bans suggests.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
Your lies are absolutely not supported by the evidence.
Dahl8465 3 years ago
yeah right.. and I suppose you still think the Earth is flat. The evidence against tobacco is clear to all who really want to know.
Dahl8465 3 years ago
If you had even an ounce of independent thought, you would have tried looking for this elledged evidence that you like to believe.
Then you would have rapidly discovered that no evidence exists. This is the standard mantra of the anti smoking bigots. They can't prove risk, so they simply claim they can and refuse to discuss the issue further.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
The antis are the mad priests of the healthist religion, you are the gulible flat earth socviety that worships their mantra, and we are the enlightened ones fighting to expose the lies to free all of us (you included) from their corrupt regime.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
but your theory makes no sense. Who benefits from anti-smoking policies? Smokers and non-smokers who will live longer.
Who benefits from your arguments and muddying of the waters? Huge multinational conglomerates who make billions from a product that kills...
thedannyclayton 3 years ago
There is no reason to believe that smoking bans make people live longer, that is a baseless supposition spread by imbeciles. There is however plenty of evidence of smoking bans causing economic damage, unemployment and deppression. These things all have adverse effects on peoples health. On top of which, all the money squandered on fraudulent anti smoking propaganda should have been spent on researching the true causes of cancer.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
And for your information, the huge multi national conglomerates are not tobacco companies, they're the pharmacutical industries that fund anti smoking lobby groups to press for smoking bans in the hope of increasing demand for their dangerous smoking cessation products. I say dangerous, because at least one of them has been demonstrated to cause depression and suicidal tendancies.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
what and smoking doesn't cause cause you to live (on average) for 15 years less?
Why on earth would pharma companies spend money using pressure groups to place their product? Surely with their billions they can afford the best marketing there is?
and you call anti-smoking groups imbeciles. Also you say BT aren't huge multinationals?Last time I checked 4/5 companies have 80%+ of the tobacco market.
Last time I checked the job of pharama was to prolong life, the results of smoking is to end it.
thedannyclayton 3 years ago
The longest living people in history have all been smokers.
The financial support anti smoking lobby groups receive from pharmacutical companies is well documented. And the scientists that produce the garbage studies are all funded either directly by pharma, or indirectly through the anti smoking groups.
And where do you think the nicotine in patches and gums comes from? The tobacco market provides far more than just cigarettes.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
I would assume your aren't stupid enough to debate that smoking kills?(even BT admit this on their own sites) so your comment about the longest living people is really redundant considering this point.
I never denied the financial support to anti smoking groups.I suppose you know that Forest is 90% funded by BT as well?
Nicotine on its own is much less harmful than the filth cigarettes and cigars contain.
for 40/50 years BT denied smoking was bad, wonder when you'll admit the same with SHS...
thedannyclayton 3 years ago
Under the terms of the master settlement agreement, the tobacco industry was forced to admit that smoking was harmfull on condition that no litigation would be placed against them. They were told that sooner or later proof of risk would be found, and if they didn't admit it in advance they would be decimated by compensation claims. This saved the anti smoking groups from having to present any evidence to support their claims.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Anyone stupid enough to believe smoking kills simply because people with money and power say so, deserves to live in a dictatorship. Smoking might kill, but we need proof, not baseless accusations.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Hes right check out Chanpix and suicides.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
What about smoking and five million deaths a year....
thedannyclayton 3 years ago
If guess you believe if you say a lie long enough it becomes true. I am very familiar with the evidence against tobacco, it is overwhelming. Pretending it isn't real is not enlightened, it is just plain ignorant. Enjoy your ignorance!
Dahl8465 3 years ago
The antis have said the lie long enough in the hope it becomes true. Risk from SHS is the biggest load of b#llocks imaginable. And the fact that the antis are trying so hard to prevent the TICAP conference from exposing that lie, is proof in itself of the anti smoking fraud.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Yes Hairy they persist in using lies as facts, they then keep using them as reinforcement statements.
Maybe they have brainwashed themselves
Botswana7 3 years ago
Actually it wouldnt surprise me if they actually have done so. Evidence overwhelming?? People like Dahl make me laugh!!
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
and they wont be able to stop it either!!
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
They should be running scared. The truths have already been exposed and they know it
helend498 3 years ago
The Anti's are running scared now.
exocet123 3 years ago
Exqactly Helen much more than smoking ever did.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
The people have a right to know. These bans are affecting livlihoods and creating ill-health.
helend498 3 years ago
the people will know.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
The TICAP Conference will reveal the TRUTH to the world.
exocet123 3 years ago 2
They'll still keep going, even when I'm wiping them off my shoe. There's definitely no limits with them. Going into nurseries is an utter disgrace.
I have young children, luckily they've been brought up to question things that don't seem quite right, even if it does annoy their teachers!
I was always known as the 'But Why?' girl at school and would never take 'because I say so' as an answer I wanted a true answer and never an opinion. Glad I've passed down that characteristic.
helend498 3 years ago
There is no limit to how low they get.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
The Anti-Smoking Fanatics in the UK are now going to Nursery Schools to brainwash the kids. This is surely child abuse.
exocet123 3 years ago
The small ones? That's amazing. It just shows really how much of an issue this is to people around the world.
There's nothing wrong with catering for everyone is there, particularly when that's what the markets and the people want.
Social engineering has never worked in the past, (they've ended in disasters). The antis seriously need their 'heads testing' if they think that propaganda and lies will ever win over truth.
helend498 3 years ago 3
News of this conference is spreading fast,even in the USA small local newspapers are mentioning it.
exocet123 3 years ago
I believe that the media will be there. This conference is the first of its kind, and it is very, very big. People from mainland Europe are much more tolerant than here when it comes to informed lifestyle choices and tend to cater for all their citizens, unlike here. They're certain to embrace this and so will their media. If our media ignore it, they'll look even more like HMG's poodles.
helend498 3 years ago
europeanagenda now mentions the TICAP Conference on 27/28 Jan 2009 in Brussels.
exocet123 3 years ago 3
I've no problems royandrew - there's plenty going on now at the moment with the recent lies that have been exposed, isn't there? I bet the antis are shaking in their boots with their empire falling around upon them.
The only thing I can't understand is why it took so long. Can you?
helend498 3 years ago
royandrew. try clearing your cache,deleting cookies and rebooting your PC. That might help.
exocet123 3 years ago
Brilliant Video ! Has the f2choose website been hacked ? not been able to access the site for 2 weeks now. nigel_bytes
royandrew 3 years ago
And this CLAIM was based on what people THOUGHT - no science whatsoever - a survey - how the media could print that rubbish is beyond me.
Again, tell a lie often enough and people will believe it. They should be ashamed of themselves
helend498 3 years ago
The latest claim about THIRD HAND SMOKE made by the Anti-Smokers is a JOKE. What will they think up next just to get a headline in media.
exocet123 3 years ago
Working ok again.
exocet123 3 years ago
It's not been working for me for a few hours now. But at long last I can see Hairy in his aeroplane again!
helend498 3 years ago
It's working(just) but seems to be steam powered.
exocet123 3 years ago
Working fine for me, but I am having lots of problems with microsoft keep shutting down.
I have no doubt they will start censoring on here, if they are not already.
TICAP see you there
mandyv
freedom2choose info for smokers and non-smokers alike, fighting for choice and TRUTH
BANda propaganda!
xyzto1 3 years ago
It's stopped working again, maybe I have been targetted.
exocet123 3 years ago
The vid is working again now.
exocet123 3 years ago
Now I'm having problems adding a comment.Hope this works.
exocet123 3 years ago
Same here Helen, I cleared the cookies and cache and shut down the PC. Restarted and the vid started working but then stopped. Doesn't work now. I think the Spooks in the UK have banned me.
exocet123 3 years ago
Still not working for me Hairy, I can only comment - perhaps I'm being censored? Hahaha!
helend498 3 years ago
It still works fine for me though.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Thats what happens with me Helen.CENSORSHIP?
exocet123 3 years ago
Snap, I can comment, but I can't view?
helend498 3 years ago
Having problems viewing this video(AGAIN).
exocet123 3 years ago
Well at least they can't accuse TICAP of that when they see the TICAP sponsors
helend498 3 years ago
Thats right Helen, having done deals with the Government Big Pharma are sitting happy, or as the song goes " and the money keeps rolling in".
exocet123 3 years ago
So basically the UK National Smoking Cessation Conference was just one big con! What utter, money-wasting hypocrites. These people are leeches.
helend498 3 years ago
xyzto1. Use your search engine for UKNSCC 2008 and when you get to the site have a look at the " Sponsors and Exhibitors", it's on the RH side. Big Pharma the Anti-Smoking Organisations and Charities.
exocet123 3 years ago
Exocet, no guessing who sponsored that conferance, it Big Pharma were not involved, I would be amazed. They need as many places as they can with their multi -billion dollar, "thereaputic nicotine" hmm, yes nicotine is obviously "thereaputic" beats anti-depressants. I prefer to smoke mine, I do not find sticking patches wherever "thereaputic" at all.
mandyv
freedom2choose info for smokers and non-smokers alike, fighting for choice and TRUTH
xyzto1 3 years ago
750 delegates attended the UK National Smoking Cessation Conference last year,the majority were public servants. What a waste of taxpayers money.
exocet123 3 years ago
Exactly Helen- more to be made in the antismoking industry it seems.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
You mention Doll - a total hypocrite who should have been tried like the rest of them. Chaser of the funding, that's what I'll remember him for. What does our country do - honour him!
Say no more.
helend498 3 years ago 2
Helen, and wasn't it Doll who said agent orange was not dangerous hmm, tell that to the children GOVERMENTS like to do so much for.
TICAP see you there
mandyv
freedom2choose info for smokers and non-smokers alike, fighting for choice and TRUTH
BANda propaganda!
xyzto1 3 years ago
BTW Hairy - saw your other video on Stanton Glantz - awesome.
How can an engineer in mechanics have such clout in the health profession? He wouldn't know a vein from an artery?
Isn't it obvious to everyone by now that this is just one very rich man who happens to hate smoking?
helend498 3 years ago
You know, I've just read an email from someone from the US and I was gobsmacked. I didn't realise the health lobbies could stoop so low. Apparantly now in certain states of the US, asbestos isn't really life-threatening, it is just one-of-those-things.
Passive smoking is more of a risk! Are these lobbyists totally insane or what?
helend498 3 years ago 2
Tenth Hand Smoke responsible for exterminating life on Mars-TRUE says Anti-Smoking lobby.
exocet123 3 years ago
Antother piece of truth Phil, thank you.
Michael Siegel the tobacco control Doc is questioning the so called "Third hand Smoke".
Wait for the fourth and fifth lol. They are fast becoming a joke.
TICAP see you there
mandyv
freedom2choose info for smokers and non-smokers alike, fighting for choice and TRUTH
BANda propaganda!
xyzto1 3 years ago
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exocet123 3 years ago
Just thinking though, with this being an international event, even if the British media are restricted from reporting it, they can't restrict the press from the other countries, and we live in a very small world now.
helend498 3 years ago
The Anti-Smoking lobby have been working with the Government since 1999 and they used the massive public health network to get the ban tagged onto a Health Bill. If the Smoking Ban had been a separate Bill it would not have got through either in Scotland or England.
exocet123 3 years ago
Ah well - I think that most people have had enough of their lie - 'it's for the children'. Everything they seem to do is supposedly 'for the children'. Utter rubbish! It is just so that they can control us and have us all living the same robotic existence, doing as they say.
Don't they realise that many in the general public are aware of propaganda techniques and emotive blackmail such as health?
They can carry on spending their millions, but it won't make an ounce of difference.
helend498 3 years ago
MzProgressive: I know how you feel, the adverts over here are all about not endangering children with SHS,makes you sick.The Anti-Smokers have no ethics.
exocet123 3 years ago
Hey! That's OUR "sin tax" money these parasites are spending!
Here on the "other side" ... NY Quits just started airing these HEINOUS ads showing some poor woman getting a light tube shoved down her throat to reveal a cancerous windpipe. I am SO SICK of this effing GROTESQUE PROPAGANDA INVADING MY HOME!!! And the networks are such whores ... that if you switch stations, within 2 minutes you will see the same damned ad shown on the competitor's screens!
MzProgressive 3 years ago
The Anti-Smoking organisations are the "PARASITES OF THE PUBLIC PURSE", they will spend anyone else's money freely.
exocet123 3 years ago
On top of all that, helen, the ammount of money poured into their anti smoking advertisments is an insult to taxpayers. Especially when I can fly a virtual bomber for nothing.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
The amount of money going into anti-smoking to create highly paid non-jobs is scandalous. What are the results so far - a greater smoker prevalence rate, thousands of jobs and business lost, increased violence (rape and murder in some cases), many of the elderly left in isolation and communities broken.
I cannot believe with the economy how it is that millions is still being pumped into this failed experiment of social engineering.
helend498 3 years ago
anfy180. In the current economic recession all Government money spent on Tobacco Control should be stopped to ensure that Frontline NHS services continue at the current levels. the days of the Anti-Smoking "Gravy Train" are over.
exocet123 3 years ago
the papers are just wainting for the antis advertising money to runout smoking/fat/drink whole page spreads at the moment.Then they can go back to telling the truth again.keep up the good work mr chestnuts.
anfy180 3 years ago
MzProgressive: All you need to do is use your search and type in " TICAP Prohibition" and you will find the TICAP site.All the information about the conference programme is on there together with a list of speakers.
exocet123 3 years ago
Brilliant! Both your execution of this story (quite impressive!), and the news of this conference!
Where do we submit petition comments? Would love to see names of groups testifying ~ got a link??
Phil, this one's worth "faveing" - Bravo!
MzProgressive 3 years ago
They shoiuld look at the sponsors then shouldn't they? If they go down that route they would have even more egg on ther faces. Let them do it. They'll be the laughing stock
helend498 3 years ago
Let me have a guess Dorm2003. Three letter word, begins with A ends in H and has an S in the middle.
exocet123 3 years ago
If news of this conference manages to get past government suppression and it is on TV, radio and newspapers, I wonder who will be the first agency to try and say that Big Tobacco are behind it!!!!
Dorm2003 3 years ago
They have told so many lies that it must take them ages to check that a new lie doesn't contradict an older one.
exocet123 3 years ago
They'll not know what's hit 'em! If you live by lies, you have to keep the guard up. No time for holidays if they want to keep up the pretence.
There's so many lies now, they'll be falling over them
helend498 3 years ago
It will be interesting to see the responses from the Anti-Smoking lobby tomorrow as they have all been enjoying the holiday period while their world is collapsing around them.
exocet123 3 years ago
I see in the telegraph, the so called consultations were a fix -
freedom2choose info for smokers and non-smokers alike, fighting for choice and TRUTH.
mandyv
antiprohibition TICAP (google)
1st World Conference Against Prohibition: "Smoking Bans and Lies"
Brussels, at the European Parliament Building, 27/28 January, 2009
xyzto1 3 years ago
You're right there Exocet. There's so many lies been told now, at least this conference will expose them all once and for all. The ban should be repealed and an independent enquiry held in my opinion
helend498 3 years ago
It also brings into question the Smoking Ban. There should be a repeal of the ban and a public enquiry into the Anti-Smoking lobby.
exocet123 3 years ago 2
I think it's common knowledge to those involved in the consultation that it was seriously flawed from the start and just one big con trick
helend498 3 years ago
One of the Smokefree websites suddenly cannot
be displayed on the internet either/
exocet123 3 years ago
The UK Government has now been accused of "fixing" the Consultation on the Future of Tobacco Control. It's not their year so far!!!
exocet123 3 years ago
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exocet123 3 years ago
The TRUTH will be told at this conference.
exocet123 3 years ago
I'm working again as well now. Very, very strange.
Anyway, back on topic, can't wait for the conference and the truth it will break. Many BBC listeners (aka gov't) will be godsmacked, no doubt. They have to know though, it's only right to be told the truth afterall. Even if they don't like it. The truth always prevails and no amount of money and funding will ever stop it
helend498 3 years ago
It is working again now yet I haven't done anything to the PC, weird.
exocet123 3 years ago
Even though I can't see the video for some reason I can still comment. If it has been removed because of the Anti-Smokers complaints then DEMOCRACY IS DEAD>
exocet123 3 years ago
It works fine for me even when I'm signed out. I even tried toggling between UK and Global and it still works. It must be at your end somehow exocet.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
I still can't get it, have rebooted the PC, cleared the cache etc but to no avail.
exocet123 3 years ago
Thanks for the Sitrep HC.
exocet123 3 years ago
I have no problems, but I've noticed a slow down trying to watch videos online at different times of day and on different days. Weekend afternoons are often worst due to high volumes of internet trafic. And this being the tail end of the holiday season, I expect lots of people who have blown all their beer money are just sitting about at home surfing the net.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
I have contacted HC to find out what is happening.
exocet123 3 years ago
I can't get it either Helen. Is fighting against smoking bans a censorable crime now?
exocet123 3 years ago
I've had a lot of trouble viewing this video as well. It kept saying that it was unavailable - never had that before. It's working now though for me, but I've noticed that others have had trouble viewing as well
helend498 3 years ago
I CHALLENGE the UK MEDIA to give a fair and honest report of this conference.
exocet123 3 years ago
Another brilliant video, the truth must come out and these bigots be exposed for what they are, lying do gooders that don't see that they are causing more harm than good.
Down with the anti's, bring back common sense.
antsinyerpants 3 years ago
They are using "Apartheid" tactics against smokers.
exocet123 3 years ago
Why they continue to bully and persecute their own citizens (when sensible, alternative solutions are fully available at little cost) is beyond the sense of any normal individual who hasn't been brainwashed by the propaganda.
Fund the true scientists please and stop funding those with an agenda.
helend498 3 years ago
I had to laugh at GB's blitz spirit though! I'd give blitz spirit if we were fighting for our country again, but we're not - GB's fighting for the other side. He can sink, just like Hitler did
helend498 3 years ago
Dorm2003 - you're too right there. There's loads talking about this. Most people know these days that the internet and word-of-mouth are the only true media tools. Everything else is just government propaganda to the enlightened.
No wonder the government are trying to censor the internet, lol:
They've no chance. They haven't got a clue when it comes to free speech - they can't stop it either as we supposedly live in a free country! Unless they introduce yet another ban.
helend498 3 years ago
If the UK Media do not cover the TICAP Conference it will prove that CENSORSHIP THROUGH SILENCE exists in Britain.
exocet123 3 years ago
Great new video Hairy! A Happy New Year to you. I wish I could be at the TICAP conference...
Cheers:-)
jredheadgirl 3 years ago
I was planning to be there, but work has got in the way. I wait with baited breath to see if the British media act as if there is nothing happening. I know one thing, there are a lot of people who know all about this and have been planning for months a way to attempt a counter attack. The power of t'internet, I still honestly believe that certain people, including that Brown creature, havn't got a fuckin clue what is happening. FELIS NUEVO ANO to everyone who knows me or wishes they did lol
Dorm2003 3 years ago
I hope next year Hairy, New years eve, it will be spent inside a pub, if the alcohol puritans can stop pushing them further into oblivion.
xyzto1 3 years ago 3
I can see all the comments. Not sure why they're not showing for you?
helend498 3 years ago
This is the 3rd comment, I cannot see the others - Another great videos Hairy, well done.
happy to New to all, let us hope it is.
freedom2choose info for smokers and non-smokers alike, fighting for choice and TRUTH.
mandyv
antiprohibition TICAP (google)
1st World Conference Against Prohibition: "Smoking Bans and Lies"
Brussels, at the European Parliament Building, 27/28 January, 2009
xyzto1 3 years ago
Really enjoyed the video.
DaveAtherton 3 years ago 2
They said that the reason for smoking bans was to protect workers from SHS but we all know that the Government is trying to meet a target of reducing the number of smokers by 2010. ANOTHER LIE from the Anti-Smoking lobby.
exocet123 3 years ago 2
The more they press on, the more I smoke! I had wanted to give up smoking once - not any more. Smoking is today a form of protest. Friggin nazis!
europarl 3 years ago 2
Happy new year everybody, except the antis of course. Those nazi bigots will have a bloody miserable 2009. Having squandered 2008 spreading their lies only for us to tear apart and disprove so easily. 2009 is our turn on the offensive, and starting with TICAP the worlds eyes will be opened at last.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
Yes, same here. A Happy New Year to all your friends and supporters Hairy
helend498 3 years ago 2
A Happy New Year to all those people fighting against Smoking Bans across the world.
exocet123 3 years ago 2
HC. It's working again,maybe the Anti's are messing with my computer, or even Big Brother!!!
exocet123 3 years ago 2
This is HC using my mates computer. It works OK for me. It must just be your conection that's playing up, exocet.
ukboy789 3 years ago
I get a message that says"We're sorry,this video is no longer available".Have the Anti-Smoking lobby struck again and had it removed. Funny how the TRUTH hurts.
exocet123 3 years ago
It's happened again, I can't get this video?
exocet123 3 years ago
HC. They can't keep the news about the resistance to smoking bans quiet forever.
exocet123 3 years ago
The BBC can lie all they like, but the conference is global and will attract global media. It may not help Britian immediately, but if just one country overturns or rejects the introduction of a smoking ban as a result of what is reported, then its a success.
HairyChestnuts 3 years ago
of course Helen they know! But they dont want the public to know.
prochoicechuckles85 3 years ago
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exocet123 3 years ago 2
James - the BBC are fully aware of this conference, but as usual, they chose to ignore it.
They are the government in disguise, funded by our taxes just like the anti-smoking agencies - say no more!
It stinks really, I know. But this is unfortunately the world that we currently live in - lies and more lies
helend498 3 years ago
Anyone have the BBC's email address so we can forward this to them/ If you see a bunch of people wearing matching T-Shirts in Brussels wonder why they aren't at work like normal people. Being paid for it are they? Like all anti-tobacco, it's just a bunch of lies from heavily funded groups...
JamesBurrTV 3 years ago