Now if my body is designed for procreation and to be sexually involved with women and my brain inessence is sending my body the signal in reverse, then something in my brain isn't functioning correctly. I'm not hating on anyone's sexual preferences but if you look at it from a practical perspective and I'm sure I'll get plenty of hate for this, if the brain isn't sending the body the correct signal then there is a deficiency on some level.
@Stealth892003 You're clearly an expert and have done extensive research on the subject. I get all my information from youtube comments sections. It never comes with all that science jargon found in my textbooks. :]
If you think about,every action that you're body does is the result of a signal sent to your brain. The male and female anatomy are complimentary to each other, ie the pieces fit where nature intended them to. I'm a straight male, when I see a hot brunette or redhead, I'm attracted to them and that is due in part to the signals my brain is sending to me. Now if say for a second my brain is sending me the signal but in reverse ie same sex attraction.
At this point in out understanding of what causes sexuality, we really can't say it is or isn't a mental illness. I mean, assuming people are born gay, it would have to be caused by either genetics or a chemical imbalance. If it's the former, that's fine, it's purely genetic, but if it's the latter, then I guess you could call it a disease. I just don't buy into the fact that it's genetic, because how would you pass it on if you're not reproducing? Perhaps it is a mental "defect."
@ProductionMarx That doesn't seem like it would happen with enough frequency to pass on the gene at large. And if that is so, does that mean we will see a sharp decrease in the gay population in the future, since it's more socially acceptable these days to come out? Food for though, that's all I'm saying.
@ProductionMarx Many gay men get married & have kids... To my English eyes it looks like you have written: Two men get married & have sex twice & give birth to two goats!
I think you meant to write: A number of homosexual people (i.e. men & women) try to hide they homosexuality & marry a member of the opposite gender & have children.
Joking aside, homosexuality isn't genetic, most studies show it is caused by hormonal levels in the womb at critical moments.
Technically from a darwinist standpoint homosexuality is a glitch of nature.
Meaning the glitch effectively removes them from the gene pool, but to say the glitch otherwise affects them is debatable.
So to say homosexuality is unnatural is quite false. A glitch though it may be, it is one by nature.
TRANSsexuality is a mental disorder: gender identity disorder. And sex-change operations are unnatural by design, as it involves surgically altering one's physical being into something it's not.
No need to get caught in semantics. I meant "from an evolutionary standpoint (as presented by Darwin's theory)". there is a character cap here, you know.
the normal is a term used in statistics it means the most represented part of a set. there isnt something wrong with not being normal. but anything that is not the biggest part of the set abnormal.
Gays cant help their homosexuality, they are born that way (a mothers stress levels during pregnancy will increase odds of having a gay child, and a lot more homosexuals were born during the WWII blitz of London) I dont have a problem with gays, as long as they are not out there promoting deviant sexual behaviour with tongues down each others throats in public, which makes me want to throw up (a natural bit of brain programming which I cant help!)
@TheKittyWonder I didnt say all are, and I dont say even a majority are. However some certainly are. I see these sorts every year in Sydneys annual festival of deviancy, the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.
What IS normal is that animals are supposed to be attracted to the opposite sex and repelled sexually by the same sex. It all comes down to brain wiring. There's nothing wrong with a gays brain per se, but their hemispheres are connected are incorrect for their biological sex and this causes attraction to the incorrect sex. So it is NOT normal to be gay and I cant stand gays out there saying they are normal, and its a lifestyle choice.
How does a moron like this get elected?! Apparently her constituents are just as demented! Unbelievable, but this is the U.S. and we're sliding so far to the Republican Right that our standing in the World is irrelevant. We've evolved into a nation where our important political leaders are wild-eyed religious lunatics.
What exactly would you consider scientific evidence? An x-ray of the mind?
Hallucinations, for example, exist (whether you call them a disorder of the mind, the brain or the soul). They can be very distressing to the patient, and urge him to endanger himself or others. Should he be denied treatment because hallucinations don't show up on a CAT scan? What's your alternative?
This mayor has to be a theocratic Christian Taliban troll to make a comment like that. But idiots like this do vote and do get elected--look at the South!
If homosexuality isn't a mental disorder, why is bipolar disease one? Or schizophrenia? If a mental "disorder" is something that makes you act in a way that is unnatural, than yes it is a mental disorder. Healthy humans are meant to be straight.
@imRyRy Do you really believe that? .. There is no such thing like" unnatural" in sex ... it's just TWO persons are attracted to each other .. and having sex..between Male and male .. Female and Female ..or even Female and Male... If you'd love to have sex with a Giraffe or Zebra ..that's an another story.
It's quite illogical to call something that happens in nature "unnatural".
Mental disorders are characterized by disability and / or harm. The American Psychiatric Association states that it's "inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... Homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities."
@imRyRy It's only a mental disorder if it interferes with function. If being gay is a mental disorder then you'd have to consider celibacy one too (I'm fine with that by the way)
@emmababesxoxo1 oh and on bestiliaty, i believe your abusing the animal, hence your harming it, hence you don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. Would you look at that, I applied the same logic, and i think we both agree. Oh and the guy having sex with animals is not normal as well. Being abnormal is not the crime here, its hurting others, i think were hitting something here guys. Who's next
@emmababesxoxo1 beastiliaty...very cute.yes, penis role is use for using the bathroom and reproduction*science*. And trying to make me out to an anti gay person. Not the case, I advocate for gay marriage and they have all the rights. As long as your not hurting someone else, i believe you should have all the right i do. But at the end of the day, im not going to ignore science/evolution/nature/blahblahblah and force myself into believing being gay is natural. o look, i didnt insult you nor try
Your "science" argument is invalid: There exist gay parents. Procreation is not a criterion for mental disorders. Consequentially, science doesn't share your view that gays are disordered.
Your "nature" argument is invalid: Same-sex intercourse happens in nature. What happens in nature by definition can't be called "unnatural".
Your "evolution" argument is invalid: Everything that exists in nature is the result of evolution. Gays weren't just beamed here.
@BjoernarEricSven Were not talking about parenting. LOL, science says it perfecty ok and normal for gays to be...gay. AOK
Yeah, Desperate penguins who can't find a female to mate with is guess correct. And animals are different because u got the whole dominant male thing, and disporportion of males to females. And dem males still are horny if there not the top dog w/e
I dont think homosexuality is a mental disorder. My younger brother actually thinks his gay, and his as happy as ever. Just becuase someone is attracted to the same sex it doesnt meen that there not normal. The one's that arent normal are the one's that are attracted to animals. Beastiality. That's whats un-normal. Not this. This is like....everyday things, 1 in 5 children turn out be gay. It's a common thing and as civilized humans we should learn to respect that.
Zoosexuals are abnormal just like homosexuals are abnormal, both sexual orientations are less than 10% of the human population where heterosexuality is 90%, that makes zoosexuality and homosexuality abnormal.
"1 in 5 children turn out be gay"←Can I see the citation of that study? If not I will call bullshit because you just telling lies.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Just because most of the worlds population isnt gay that doesnt make them abnormal. YOU HAVNT DONE YOUR RESEARCH DICKHEAD!. They studied them in hospitals, but they found nothing wrong with them, long story short they stopped the research. Im not gonna lie i dont even know if that 1 in 5 thing is true. I remember hearing it in school one day and im pretty sure its thoes numbers.
"Just because most of the worlds population isnt gay that doesnt make them abnormal"←Why not? Left handedness is abnormal, only 10% of the population is left handed. The other 90% is right handed. Are you telling me left handedness is normal? How about IQ, 10% of people are genius, abnormal again.
"i dont even know if that 1 in 5 thing is true"←Well, I suggest you to say next time "in my personal opinion I think 1 in 5 etc" otherwise you make it sound like a fact.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo you are honestly sounding like a FUCKING RETARD right now. People that right with the left hand arnt normal? what the hell is wrong with you?!?! theres no rule, theres no law, the universe isnt telling us that people that right with there left hands arent normal! your the only one saying this shit becuase you have nothing better so you decide to make life rules!
@BjoernarEricSven your sooo buthurt. Come at me when you learn 2nd grd science. Your bring up greek shit and phsycology shit when none of that has anything to do with "is it natural or not natural" lets open a science book....oh look, being gay won't help the repopulation of the earth. dats interesting, they must not be NORMAL.--This is da part where you get butthurt over my none troll logic. Amirite? FYI, you still deserve our rights(its AMERICA), the same goes for everyone. your tiring me bro
Again: procreation is not the privilege of heterosexuals. Every third lesbian and every sixth gay man is a biological parent. On the other hand many straight people don't procreate. Your argument that two gay men couldn't procreate is invalid because two straight men couldn't either. Procreation is not about sexual orientation, and mental disorders are not about procreation.
@BjoernarEricSven Straight male+Straight female= Baby. Nothing else, so what is your argument? And i dont cont test tube babies. Chosing not to having to children, is not the same as not wanting to have children. You really want dicks to be used for something other than waste or preocreation huh.
Confirmed. You know nothing on the subject. That wasn't used "in the meaning of mind" when the word was coined. If you knew ANYTHING on this subject, you'd know WHY you can find that "definition" nowadays. It doesn't mean that even today. Talk to a Greek scholar and you'll see.
Psychiatry don't denies the existence of god, right!
YOU addressed my comment. So you tell me. I said Psychiatry is a religion, and the dsm is it's bible. No science supporting it.You seem to have a problem with that.
Well, I am a psychiatric nurse, not a scholar of ancient greek.
One would hope that your knowledge matches up to your superior attitude, but your claim that psychiatry denies the existence of the soul - for which you haven't provided any evidence - seems to belie that.
What's important and I DID claim is that psychiatry is a religion with its own bible.
YOU started "arguing" that empirical evidence make it "scientific"
When I addressed the subject, you started to talk about religion mixing it with spiritualism in an attempt to divert the attention from the fact that you aren't able to support that claim. And now just focusing on that because you have nothing left.
@BjoernarEricSven Why don't you ask the shrinks you work for? Ask them if there's a soul? What better evidence than that?
And the fact that you don't know that btw, shows how "knowledgeable" you are on the subject.
I didn't say "I can do better" YOU came up with that.
My statement is that Psychiatry is a religion with no science behind it to support any of their claims, and have their own bible -dsm- written by themselves. It's a make believe system.
Still no evidence, but more abuse. But your anger issues are evident even to someone of my limited capabilities.
Some of those psychiatrists I have worked with are atheists, others are spiritual. Personal beliefs are just that: personal. They don't tell anything about psychiatry in general.
Finally, you admit that you are good at criticizing, but not at making constructive proposals.
@BjoernarEricSven In case you haven't figure it out yet, know that I don't care about "evaluations" of my character from anyone, so you know what you can do with your "diagnosis"
I never said anything about any particular psychiatrist. I am talking about psychiatry THE FIELD
Wrong
I am good at EXPOSING a field presented to society as "scientific" when in fact it has no more science supporting it than any shaman. Snake oil sellers that's what they are.A "legal" drug dealing op
So, you tend to evaluate the characters of others, instead.
Again: You still haven't provided any evidence for your claim that the field of psychiatry denies the existence of a "soul". Personal convictions of psychiatrists are personal, and they are diverse.
In the end, you are good at making claims and generalizations, not at providing evidence or making constructive proposals.
@BjoernarEricSven Already told you, go ask the APA. THAT's the source.
In case you "forgot" you addressed me on the subject of psychiatry being a "scientific" when I said it is a religion with no scientific evidence to support any of their claims. You started "arguing" about it, yet failed to prove me wrong.
And now just try to divert the attention from it, because you don't have the slightest Idea on the subject.
Actually, our little chat started with your claim that the declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder proved how unscientific psychiatry is, to which I replied that the declassification corresponded to the evidence whereas the former classification did not.
Or you can do your own investigation on the history of this field, and learn something on your own. If you do that, you'll get the info from the horse's mouth, and see whether they do what their title CLAIMS they do or not. See if what they do has ANYTHING to do with the human "psyche"
You can also go to the Library and look for the "science" behind Wilhelm Wundt claim that humans are animals with no soul on his "experimental Psychology" and how it affected this field and still does.
As well as the *entirety* of the Pavlov's dogs experiment, (no just the "salivating dogs" part) and how such discovery "applies to humans" based on Wundt's claims. The results of it, and what it has to do with psychiatry even today.
Psychiatry is supposed to address THE SOUL/SPIRIT. Not only they don't do that but CLAIM they study "the mind" even though there's no scientific evidence to PROVE the mind is the brain nor any part of the brain which is what they "treat" with no scientific evidence 4that either
If u did your home work you'd know why &that would shatter ur opinion
The point is you seem to believe you know better than modern psychiatrists, Neurologists, MDs, etc. u just saw.
@BjoernarEricSven It'd make no difference whether it's from the soul, mind, or even brain. What matters is that there's NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE PROVING THE ETIOLOGY IS ORGANIC.
What is it that you don't understand?
As 4psychs/Neurologists "agreeing with my assertions" You are obviously making that up. Most shrinks will admit to it because they don't give a rat ass about it.
And even if that was "true" it doesn't matter "who agrees with who"
@BjoernarEricSven I don't know what is "supposed" to be. What is known is that there's no scientific evidence proving shrinks claims that the etiology of "mental illness" is organic in nature.
There are people( and this includes some psychiatrists/psychologist whom are aware of this) studying the subject from different perspectives following the scientific method. If you do some digging you'll find info about it.
All options are open man. The subject needs (and it's being) investigated, as it should, since there's no definitive answer. If you look you'll find different alternatives,as well as info from people who has gone through it,as well as researchers.
There are several of them,you just have to look into it in order to be able to make an informed decision.
@BjoernarEricSven You want "concrete answer" for something for which there's no proven facts anywhere?
The answer is for any person having to deal with this; to research the info available in every source there is to make and informed decision.
At the same time be aware of the fact that shrinks are going around drugging people -whom already have a problem- while charging them for it, making claims which are NOT scientifically proven.
@Gmmaverick Psychiatry does not address the soul/spirit because fields of science do not recognize either to be real, unlike the consciousness, which is proven to originate in the brain. If you'd taken a high school psych class, or did about 20 seconds of research yourself, you'd already know that.
Again you excell at making derogatory remarks about my knowledge (or lack thereof), but fail at providing evidence. After all, that's what a discussion is about: arguments, not insults. So, why don't you impress us with your brilliance and provide
*some evidence for your claim about the APA denying the existence of a soul,
*the definition of the term "psychology" that you deem correct,
*a proposal on how to correctly define and diagnose mental disorders.
Calling me ignorant without realizing that there exist many interpretations of "soul" and "psyche". But, of course, you know which one of them is the "correct" one.
By the way, you didn't ask me about the defintion of "psychiatrist" or "psychiatry", but about that of "psychology". But, I guess, just as long as you vent of some steam details become irrelevant
@BjoernarEricSven You don't even need to ask them, but know what the word means against what they actually do. You are doing a great job at exposing what an ignorant you are.
And -again- what happened to your claim that this charlatans field is "scientifically" based???
And I don't have to "propose" anything. I'm exposing the fact that this field as a whole is a religion. A make believe system which has nothing to do with science.That's all
You started"arguing" it is "scientific", failed to support it, and now focus in whether they accept or deny the existence of a soul trying to "dodge the bullet"
No doubt people have issues. The shrinks' claim "the etiology is organic" hence it can be "treated" organically, is a fraud. There's no SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to support such a claim.
@andystruth we hetros continue life on this planet. as long we produce children, there a chance for allot greatness. Allot of bad to but in the end i think we come up with cures and maybe world peace(im a optimist). Actually, if everyone were to stop reproducing, we could also have world peace cause we all be dead*doubt it. We reproduce, thats your answer.
@BjoernarEricSven But after all that said and done, dont act like its perfectly normal to be an homosexual. I've told you science nor religion back up homosexuality. Thats like an Atheiest and Pat Roberts agreeing. Tell me one good to humanity gays serve on there own. and again stop being so buthurt, were all not normal or do something that goes against the grain of nature. Difference between me and you, is that ill own up to it.
So, you condemn oral, too? You don't know what you're missing!
You made a lot of claims, none of them particular scientific. Gays can and do procreate. In the end, homosexuality may not be advantageous, but it certainly isn't detrimental, either. Quite the contrary: Gays serve as excellent targets to those whose self-worth depends on demeaning others.
And would you please stop obsessing about my butt! It's in mint condition, not that it's any of your business
In recognition of the scientific evidence, in 1973 the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the DSM, stating that "it was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... [The former classification] reflected once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples... [H]omosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities."
Gays have been having heterosexual sex for ages. Just think about all those closet cases pretending to be straight. And some gays actually do have sex with the opposite sex just to sire a child. According to a 2007 study every third lesbian and every sixth gay man has biological children. So, gays CAN and DO reproduce. On the other hand, 2 straight men or 2 straight women couldn't reproduce either. So, reproduction isn't really about sexual orientation.
@ladama23 I so agree with you. She will hate no matter what. I have yet to see how gays or gay marriage can destroy a civilization or harm a community or a person or couple.. ANyone who believes it or they can do so, is in the total dark.
@andystruth Sure, normal is doing what "God" or "Science" tells your or demands you to. Penis+Vagina=Win / Penis+Asshole=only satifies a perversion. Ur arguing with science, very cute. Again, you guys can have all the rights and gay sex you want, but in the end, your doing something that not of nature intension hence blah blah blah, you get my drift. stop getting butthurt. Dicks are for chicks. Not dicks are for dicks, that serves no purpose.
@BjoernarEricSven LOL, anal sex among hetrosexuals is in the same leauge, it serves NO purpose except gratify a perversion. It doesnt help repopulate, it doesn't help someone use the bathroom. Yes, Nature intends your penis to be used to repopulate, and use the bathroom. Even getting your dicked sucked is on the same lines of serving a perversion. By gays and straights. Im not ranting, just sayig it as is it. Besicdes its AMERICA, You should be able to do w/e you want sir
I asked, "What is biological normal for sexual attraction?" Because it is pointless to start talking about a point as "off normal," if one cannot come up with a definition of what is normal. If you all have a consensus of what is normal, then anything that is not that definition is abnormal, accept it as you have come to it. Now whether or not a point deserves definition as a mental disorder, is outside the scope of this forum.
@kingstund101 actully theres no rule telling people that your penis is ment to be for my vagina. Your just old fashioned and narrow minded. Everywhere you go you will see a lesbian or a gay person. You honestly have to grow some balls and get over it. There not commiting a crime, there only following there sexual insticts. What you should be bitching about is Beastiliaty. You probably dont even know what that is.
If everyone decided not to have kids, you would still have accidents. Science/Religion doesn't support gays. You can have all the rights/marriage you want, but at the end of the day, you must admit your not normal.
@kingstund101 Define Normal? Did you know that in ancient time. The Romans were practicing homosexuality. In Feudal Japan, many of the higher leaders and Generals had gay sex. In the animal kingdom, gay sex exists.
The only thing not normal inm sex, is to not want to have sex. Gays are just as normal as us hetros. They are just attracted to something else.
Here's a statement of the American Psychiatric Association: "[I]t was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... [The former] DSM classification reflected untested assumptions based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples... [H]omosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities."
@nasaxSN no its not, they began to think it was and started doing test on gays, but then they couldnt really find anything wrong with them, so they just kind of abandonded, the test and came to a conclusion that homosexuality is not a mental illnes.
Well, if every straight couple decides against having children you'd have a similar result, wouldn't you? Or if every man decided to become a priest and live celibate.
What are you trying to get at, hypothesizing about such a highly unlikely event?
Yes, activism was crucial (as with every civil rights cause). Crucial in having the APA re-check the evidence. "As results from such research accumulated, professionals in medicine, mental health, and the behavioral and social sciences reached the conclusion that it was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder and that the DSM classification reflected untested assumptions based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples." – APA
Actually, gays have been having heterosexual sex for ages. Just think of all those closet cases playing family. Then there are those few gays who have sex with a woman just for the sake of siring a child.
Anyway, sexual orientation is not determined by who you have sex with but by who you DESIRE to have sex with. So, having sex with a woman doesn't all of a sudden render a gay man bisexual or heterosexual.
I really hate how gays are people like everyone else just they like their same sex, yet they can't have the same rights. I just don't understand how that makes them so different they have to be seen as lesser being to some people.
Wait wait wait .... Queer means homosexual?.... hmmm i now think i may have offended some people.... sadface..... wait wait she thinks wanting to have sex is a symptom of metel issues... i geuss all teenage boys are insane oh well.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Even non-religious people know this.
The homosexual agenda is not good for anyone, including those who consider themselves "gay".
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfully framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
@StrychnineLD100 so if it serves a purpose for u its not a disorder? although if its secondary effects it doesn't matter? it should be clear that homosexuals have the ability to procreate but rather spend their life with someone of the same gender. what if a homosexual married and had a child with the opposite gender... the person is clearly still homosexual but ur definition of disorder is out of context now don't u think?
I don't see how it's not. Forget all the social crap..think of it just as procreation. My theory is gays men with female mental wiring(and vice versa for lesbians) they are one step BELOW transgender(transgender take it one step furthur and try to become the correct gender) but transgenders are still crazy too
Though you may not see it, the important part is that all the major health and mental health organisations do:
"[It is] inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... [H]omosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities." – American Psychiatric Association
@BjoernarEricSven if you put gays on a new planet how would they survive? Gays would die out the first generation. They are mentally ill because they aren't wired correctly to be sexually attracted to the sex that creates life. I wish i could find the TYT episode where they said scientist may have found a way to cure gay embryos suprislying gays didn't want them to be cured. not sure why
@ubermisogynist No, what you're saying is only true of sterile and infertile individuals; you are creating a false hypothetical on several levels. There is no way to 'cure' gay embryos because homosexuality is not purely genetic, an embryo has not determined sexuality.
"but transgenders are still crazy too"←They not crazy, that is just how their brain ended up working. Too much male hormone or female hormone can make your brain not match your body, it is not that they are crazy, it just happen to them by accident.
Honestly if two people want to be gay and love eachother what business is it of anyone elses? If a gay person was to get in a straight person's face about who they choose to love there would be hell so I don't see why the same can't be true of this situation. Nosey, hypocritical people. Geez.
@StrychnineLD100 i agree with DogsneedpIeasuretoo. its not right to label it as a disorder simply because the biological orientation is different to that of the majority. would you label someone that had red hair or brown skin a disorder? the interpretation of that from that of sexuality shouldn't be different.
If they consider it a mental disorder why don't they make an outreach to find medical cures? Why are they not donating money for hospitals or organizing charity events?
i am personalyl anti gay. don't get me wrong, i don't insult them nor do i put on my kuklux hood and ride out on my white hrose decapitating queers with a scimirar. i just think it is not a good idea. nature dictates a male must reprodcue with a female and visca versa. also there are lots of complications with such a relationship. and going anal is not save.
@lordofallfantasy Your opinion/thoughts are completely valid. But... ever gotten oral? Not exactly a way to make a baby. :) Gay men get and give oral all the time. Only difference is that is two guys. Something that you're not interested in.
@lordofallfantasy Humans in general do a lot of stuff that they aren´t natural, and most of the pople get away with that. Homosexuality is wrong only because and ancient fairy tale book called the bible says it´s wrong. Human species needs more than some biological driven to reproduce. If people is happy with people of the same sex, they should be free to go. It doesn´t affect to you if there is a gay couple living miles away from you.
@lordofallfantasy The KKK had nothing to do with gays or homosexuality, also they did not attack gays just southern blacks who they wanted to discourage from voting Republican. The Klan killed white republicans in addition to Black people. Research Klan push card for more information.
"Nature dictates a male must reproduce with a female"? What about couples who decide against having children? Or infertile couples? What about celibacy?
Straight relationships are uncomplicated?
You do realize that anal sex is performed by many straight couples, and that many gays don't, do you?
Now if my body is designed for procreation and to be sexually involved with women and my brain inessence is sending my body the signal in reverse, then something in my brain isn't functioning correctly. I'm not hating on anyone's sexual preferences but if you look at it from a practical perspective and I'm sure I'll get plenty of hate for this, if the brain isn't sending the body the correct signal then there is a deficiency on some level.
Stealth892003 1 week ago
@Stealth892003 You're clearly an expert and have done extensive research on the subject. I get all my information from youtube comments sections. It never comes with all that science jargon found in my textbooks. :]
AndrewMal2010 5 days ago
@Stealth892003
What you're saying make sense, but..science have not found diferences between homosexual and heterosexual anatomy, hormones or brain.
TheNailpolish04 1 day ago
If you think about,every action that you're body does is the result of a signal sent to your brain. The male and female anatomy are complimentary to each other, ie the pieces fit where nature intended them to. I'm a straight male, when I see a hot brunette or redhead, I'm attracted to them and that is due in part to the signals my brain is sending to me. Now if say for a second my brain is sending me the signal but in reverse ie same sex attraction.
Stealth892003 1 week ago
At this point in out understanding of what causes sexuality, we really can't say it is or isn't a mental illness. I mean, assuming people are born gay, it would have to be caused by either genetics or a chemical imbalance. If it's the former, that's fine, it's purely genetic, but if it's the latter, then I guess you could call it a disease. I just don't buy into the fact that it's genetic, because how would you pass it on if you're not reproducing? Perhaps it is a mental "defect."
Vyna80 2 weeks ago
@Vyna80 Many gay men get married and have kids...they have sex twice and have 2 kids LOL
ProductionMarx 2 weeks ago
@ProductionMarx That doesn't seem like it would happen with enough frequency to pass on the gene at large. And if that is so, does that mean we will see a sharp decrease in the gay population in the future, since it's more socially acceptable these days to come out? Food for though, that's all I'm saying.
Vyna80 2 weeks ago
@ProductionMarx Many gay men get married & have kids... To my English eyes it looks like you have written: Two men get married & have sex twice & give birth to two goats!
I think you meant to write: A number of homosexual people (i.e. men & women) try to hide they homosexuality & marry a member of the opposite gender & have children.
Joking aside, homosexuality isn't genetic, most studies show it is caused by hormonal levels in the womb at critical moments.
Nilsy1975 1 week ago
:O wtf sooooo wy are they all ways on the gays backs
when teres kids out there getting raped kidnapped
shop getting broken in to there not talking about how they can
inprov there usa ways lol
emojoshyyyyy 3 weeks ago
@emojoshyyyyy ways?*
emojoshyyyyy 3 weeks ago
Technically from a darwinist standpoint homosexuality is a glitch of nature.
Meaning the glitch effectively removes them from the gene pool, but to say the glitch otherwise affects them is debatable.
So to say homosexuality is unnatural is quite false. A glitch though it may be, it is one by nature.
TRANSsexuality is a mental disorder: gender identity disorder. And sex-change operations are unnatural by design, as it involves surgically altering one's physical being into something it's not.
Tounushi 3 weeks ago
@Tounushi The word "darwinist" is used only by idiotic creationists. Evolution by natural selection is not an "ism".
falcoperegrinus82 1 week ago
@falcoperegrinus82
"darwinist"
"evolutionary"
No need to get caught in semantics. I meant "from an evolutionary standpoint (as presented by Darwin's theory)". there is a character cap here, you know.
Tounushi 1 week ago
Wow how can such a large portion of the american public and people in power be so backward?!
Oh yea, a shitty education system and christianity.
butlerl 3 weeks ago
IT IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
calloway741852963 1 month ago
.how can a woman like this get elected.
btw.
the normal is a term used in statistics it means the most represented part of a set. there isnt something wrong with not being normal. but anything that is not the biggest part of the set abnormal.
shake3630 1 month ago
U know how a fuckin nut job gets elected Ana? Stupid fuckin nut jobs elect her! FAIL!
83redrose83 1 month ago
Gays cant help their homosexuality, they are born that way (a mothers stress levels during pregnancy will increase odds of having a gay child, and a lot more homosexuals were born during the WWII blitz of London) I dont have a problem with gays, as long as they are not out there promoting deviant sexual behaviour with tongues down each others throats in public, which makes me want to throw up (a natural bit of brain programming which I cant help!)
boozaboi1 1 month ago
@boozaboi1 Gays arent out to 'promote deviant sexual behavior' you twat
TheKittyWonder 3 weeks ago
@TheKittyWonder I didnt say all are, and I dont say even a majority are. However some certainly are. I see these sorts every year in Sydneys annual festival of deviancy, the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.
boozaboi1 3 weeks ago
What IS normal is that animals are supposed to be attracted to the opposite sex and repelled sexually by the same sex. It all comes down to brain wiring. There's nothing wrong with a gays brain per se, but their hemispheres are connected are incorrect for their biological sex and this causes attraction to the incorrect sex. So it is NOT normal to be gay and I cant stand gays out there saying they are normal, and its a lifestyle choice.
boozaboi1 1 month ago
How does a moron like this get elected?! Apparently her constituents are just as demented! Unbelievable, but this is the U.S. and we're sliding so far to the Republican Right that our standing in the World is irrelevant. We've evolved into a nation where our important political leaders are wild-eyed religious lunatics.
beanie928 1 month ago
fail, doublefail, triplefail, overfail, failopolous
Thomaspegful 1 month ago
new york has always been a sucky state
TheElefishJellyphant 1 month ago
So is believing in a invisible guy in the sky.
MrCrowsoft 1 month ago
@MrCrowsoft "an" you retard.
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@Gmmaverick
What exactly would you consider scientific evidence? An x-ray of the mind?
Hallucinations, for example, exist (whether you call them a disorder of the mind, the brain or the soul). They can be very distressing to the patient, and urge him to endanger himself or others. Should he be denied treatment because hallucinations don't show up on a CAT scan? What's your alternative?
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BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
This mayor has to be a theocratic Christian Taliban troll to make a comment like that. But idiots like this do vote and do get elected--look at the South!
beanie928 1 month ago
If homosexuality isn't a mental disorder, why is bipolar disease one? Or schizophrenia? If a mental "disorder" is something that makes you act in a way that is unnatural, than yes it is a mental disorder. Healthy humans are meant to be straight.
imRyRy 1 month ago
@imRyRy Do you really believe that? .. There is no such thing like" unnatural" in sex ... it's just TWO persons are attracted to each other .. and having sex..between Male and male .. Female and Female ..or even Female and Male... If you'd love to have sex with a Giraffe or Zebra ..that's an another story.
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@imRyRy
It's quite illogical to call something that happens in nature "unnatural".
Mental disorders are characterized by disability and / or harm. The American Psychiatric Association states that it's "inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... Homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities."
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@imRyRy It's only a mental disorder if it interferes with function. If being gay is a mental disorder then you'd have to consider celibacy one too (I'm fine with that by the way)
jotunobsidianeyes 1 month ago
@jotunobsidianeyes I can agree with that.
imRyRy 1 month ago
hahaha i love young turks! they say it like it is!
passionistic1 1 month ago
@emmababesxoxo1 oh and on bestiliaty, i believe your abusing the animal, hence your harming it, hence you don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. Would you look at that, I applied the same logic, and i think we both agree. Oh and the guy having sex with animals is not normal as well. Being abnormal is not the crime here, its hurting others, i think were hitting something here guys. Who's next
kingstund101 1 month ago
@emmababesxoxo1 beastiliaty...very cute.yes, penis role is use for using the bathroom and reproduction*science*. And trying to make me out to an anti gay person. Not the case, I advocate for gay marriage and they have all the rights. As long as your not hurting someone else, i believe you should have all the right i do. But at the end of the day, im not going to ignore science/evolution/nature/blahblahblah and force myself into believing being gay is natural. o look, i didnt insult you nor try
kingstund101 1 month ago
@kingstund101
Your "science" argument is invalid: There exist gay parents. Procreation is not a criterion for mental disorders. Consequentially, science doesn't share your view that gays are disordered.
Your "nature" argument is invalid: Same-sex intercourse happens in nature. What happens in nature by definition can't be called "unnatural".
Your "evolution" argument is invalid: Everything that exists in nature is the result of evolution. Gays weren't just beamed here.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven Were not talking about parenting. LOL, science says it perfecty ok and normal for gays to be...gay. AOK
Yeah, Desperate penguins who can't find a female to mate with is guess correct. And animals are different because u got the whole dominant male thing, and disporportion of males to females. And dem males still are horny if there not the top dog w/e
Beamed here:cute. YOU GOT ME
kingstund101 1 month ago
I dont think homosexuality is a mental disorder. My younger brother actually thinks his gay, and his as happy as ever. Just becuase someone is attracted to the same sex it doesnt meen that there not normal. The one's that arent normal are the one's that are attracted to animals. Beastiality. That's whats un-normal. Not this. This is like....everyday things, 1 in 5 children turn out be gay. It's a common thing and as civilized humans we should learn to respect that.
emmababesxoxo1 1 month ago
@emmababesxoxo1
Zoosexuals are abnormal just like homosexuals are abnormal, both sexual orientations are less than 10% of the human population where heterosexuality is 90%, that makes zoosexuality and homosexuality abnormal.
"1 in 5 children turn out be gay"←Can I see the citation of that study? If not I will call bullshit because you just telling lies.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Just because most of the worlds population isnt gay that doesnt make them abnormal. YOU HAVNT DONE YOUR RESEARCH DICKHEAD!. They studied them in hospitals, but they found nothing wrong with them, long story short they stopped the research. Im not gonna lie i dont even know if that 1 in 5 thing is true. I remember hearing it in school one day and im pretty sure its thoes numbers.
emmababesxoxo1 1 month ago
@emmababesxoxo1
"Just because most of the worlds population isnt gay that doesnt make them abnormal"←Why not? Left handedness is abnormal, only 10% of the population is left handed. The other 90% is right handed. Are you telling me left handedness is normal? How about IQ, 10% of people are genius, abnormal again.
"i dont even know if that 1 in 5 thing is true"←Well, I suggest you to say next time "in my personal opinion I think 1 in 5 etc" otherwise you make it sound like a fact.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo you are honestly sounding like a FUCKING RETARD right now. People that right with the left hand arnt normal? what the hell is wrong with you?!?! theres no rule, theres no law, the universe isnt telling us that people that right with there left hands arent normal! your the only one saying this shit becuase you have nothing better so you decide to make life rules!
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@emmababesxoxo1
"you are honestly sounding like a FUCKING RETARD right now"←Read your last 3 comment and the look yourself in a mirror.
Humans that write with the right hand are normal, anyone using their left hand or their feet are abnormal. What of this you don't understand?
Homosexuality is abnormal too, being genius is abnormal, having blue eyes is abnormal, being born without legs is abnormal.
Do you even know the meaning of the world abnormal????
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven your sooo buthurt. Come at me when you learn 2nd grd science. Your bring up greek shit and phsycology shit when none of that has anything to do with "is it natural or not natural" lets open a science book....oh look, being gay won't help the repopulation of the earth. dats interesting, they must not be NORMAL.--This is da part where you get butthurt over my none troll logic. Amirite? FYI, you still deserve our rights(its AMERICA), the same goes for everyone. your tiring me bro
kingstund101 1 month ago
If this tires you why do you obsess over this subject?
And what exactly do you think you could possibly achieve with your comments? Except to provoke and to demean, of course, which you seem to thrive on.
If you want to judge who wrote what about psychology you might just read that thread again.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@kingstund101
Again: procreation is not the privilege of heterosexuals. Every third lesbian and every sixth gay man is a biological parent. On the other hand many straight people don't procreate. Your argument that two gay men couldn't procreate is invalid because two straight men couldn't either. Procreation is not about sexual orientation, and mental disorders are not about procreation.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven Straight male+Straight female= Baby. Nothing else, so what is your argument? And i dont cont test tube babies. Chosing not to having to children, is not the same as not wanting to have children. You really want dicks to be used for something other than waste or preocreation huh.
kingstund101 1 month ago
@kingstund101
Straight male + lesbian = baby.
Gay male + lesbian = baby.
Gay male + straight female = baby.
"Chosing not to having to children, is not the same as not wanting to have children." Yeah, actually it is. Word for word (minus a few syntax errors).
Do you really think sex is only used for procreation?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
Confirmed. You know nothing on the subject. That wasn't used "in the meaning of mind" when the word was coined. If you knew ANYTHING on this subject, you'd know WHY you can find that "definition" nowadays. It doesn't mean that even today. Talk to a Greek scholar and you'll see.
Psychiatry don't denies the existence of god, right!
YOU addressed my comment. So you tell me. I said Psychiatry is a religion, and the dsm is it's bible. No science supporting it.You seem to have a problem with that.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
Well, I am a psychiatric nurse, not a scholar of ancient greek.
One would hope that your knowledge matches up to your superior attitude, but your claim that psychiatry denies the existence of the soul - for which you haven't provided any evidence - seems to belie that.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
They do. Ask the APA. That's irrelevant though.
What's important and I DID claim is that psychiatry is a religion with its own bible.
YOU started "arguing" that empirical evidence make it "scientific"
When I addressed the subject, you started to talk about religion mixing it with spiritualism in an attempt to divert the attention from the fact that you aren't able to support that claim. And now just focusing on that because you have nothing left.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
Funny, how evidence becomes irrelevant the instant you can't provide it...
If you you think you can do better than the APA how exactly would you go about defining and determining mental disorders?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven Why don't you ask the shrinks you work for? Ask them if there's a soul? What better evidence than that?
And the fact that you don't know that btw, shows how "knowledgeable" you are on the subject.
I didn't say "I can do better" YOU came up with that.
My statement is that Psychiatry is a religion with no science behind it to support any of their claims, and have their own bible -dsm- written by themselves. It's a make believe system.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
Still no evidence, but more abuse. But your anger issues are evident even to someone of my limited capabilities.
Some of those psychiatrists I have worked with are atheists, others are spiritual. Personal beliefs are just that: personal. They don't tell anything about psychiatry in general.
Finally, you admit that you are good at criticizing, but not at making constructive proposals.
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@BjoernarEricSven In case you haven't figure it out yet, know that I don't care about "evaluations" of my character from anyone, so you know what you can do with your "diagnosis"
I never said anything about any particular psychiatrist. I am talking about psychiatry THE FIELD
Wrong
I am good at EXPOSING a field presented to society as "scientific" when in fact it has no more science supporting it than any shaman. Snake oil sellers that's what they are.A "legal" drug dealing op
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
So, you tend to evaluate the characters of others, instead.
Again: You still haven't provided any evidence for your claim that the field of psychiatry denies the existence of a "soul". Personal convictions of psychiatrists are personal, and they are diverse.
In the end, you are good at making claims and generalizations, not at providing evidence or making constructive proposals.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven Already told you, go ask the APA. THAT's the source.
In case you "forgot" you addressed me on the subject of psychiatry being a "scientific" when I said it is a religion with no scientific evidence to support any of their claims. You started "arguing" about it, yet failed to prove me wrong.
And now just try to divert the attention from it, because you don't have the slightest Idea on the subject.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
Actually, our little chat started with your claim that the declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder proved how unscientific psychiatry is, to which I replied that the declassification corresponded to the evidence whereas the former classification did not.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven It makes no difference. The statement still stands. There's no scientific evidence to support ANY of their "classifications".
NO SCIENCE, capisci?
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
Of course, we'll take your word for it, Your Eminence...
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
Or you can do your own investigation on the history of this field, and learn something on your own. If you do that, you'll get the info from the horse's mouth, and see whether they do what their title CLAIMS they do or not. See if what they do has ANYTHING to do with the human "psyche"
watch?v=PCUNMY-R0sE
watch?v=Hi3iZnT5Upk
watch?v=hy79C0v8elE
watch?v=bPOrD6xfDNo&feature=related
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
It seems you have a very drastic view of psychiatry. Tell me, would you rather have a patient suffering from severe hallucinations go untreated?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
You can also go to the Library and look for the "science" behind Wilhelm Wundt claim that humans are animals with no soul on his "experimental Psychology" and how it affected this field and still does.
As well as the *entirety* of the Pavlov's dogs experiment, (no just the "salivating dogs" part) and how such discovery "applies to humans" based on Wundt's claims. The results of it, and what it has to do with psychiatry even today.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
The point is that modern psychiatry doesn't describe humans as "animals with no soul", just as modern physics doesn't advocate geocentrism.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
Psychiatry is supposed to address THE SOUL/SPIRIT. Not only they don't do that but CLAIM they study "the mind" even though there's no scientific evidence to PROVE the mind is the brain nor any part of the brain which is what they "treat" with no scientific evidence 4that either
If u did your home work you'd know why &that would shatter ur opinion
The point is you seem to believe you know better than modern psychiatrists, Neurologists, MDs, etc. u just saw.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
How exactly is it relevant to label those disorders as disorders of the soul and not the mind?
You actually deny that there exists evidence that the mind is situated in the brain?
You left out an important part, namely that most psychiatrists and neurologists don't agree with your assertions.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven It'd make no difference whether it's from the soul, mind, or even brain. What matters is that there's NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE PROVING THE ETIOLOGY IS ORGANIC.
What is it that you don't understand?
As 4psychs/Neurologists "agreeing with my assertions" You are obviously making that up. Most shrinks will admit to it because they don't give a rat ass about it.
And even if that was "true" it doesn't matter "who agrees with who"
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
And what is it supposed to be if not organic? Demonic possession?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven I don't know what is "supposed" to be. What is known is that there's no scientific evidence proving shrinks claims that the etiology of "mental illness" is organic in nature.
There are people( and this includes some psychiatrists/psychologist whom are aware of this) studying the subject from different perspectives following the scientific method. If you do some digging you'll find info about it.
As of now, there's no answer. Not from science.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
What is your alternative?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
All options are open man. The subject needs (and it's being) investigated, as it should, since there's no definitive answer. If you look you'll find different alternatives,as well as info from people who has gone through it,as well as researchers.
There are several of them,you just have to look into it in order to be able to make an informed decision.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
And again no concrete answer. But at least you ceased the insults.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven You want "concrete answer" for something for which there's no proven facts anywhere?
The answer is for any person having to deal with this; to research the info available in every source there is to make and informed decision.
At the same time be aware of the fact that shrinks are going around drugging people -whom already have a problem- while charging them for it, making claims which are NOT scientifically proven.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick Psychiatry does not address the soul/spirit because fields of science do not recognize either to be real, unlike the consciousness, which is proven to originate in the brain. If you'd taken a high school psych class, or did about 20 seconds of research yourself, you'd already know that.
Truth118 1 month ago
@Truth118
Psychiatry is not a "field of science" so there's nothing to worry about.
Regarding the "proof of consciousness been originated in the brain" ...
Where exactly is the scientific evidence proving that?
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
I never said anything about individual/personal considerations that any particular shrink may have.
Already told you I am talking about THE FIELD of this clowns.
Btw, pretending that psychiatry advocates or allows for the existence of a soul only makes you look like an ignorant. Which you obviously are.
Go ask them, then you'll see how "right" you are.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
Again you excell at making derogatory remarks about my knowledge (or lack thereof), but fail at providing evidence. After all, that's what a discussion is about: arguments, not insults. So, why don't you impress us with your brilliance and provide
*some evidence for your claim about the APA denying the existence of a soul,
*the definition of the term "psychology" that you deem correct,
*a proposal on how to correctly define and diagnose mental disorders.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven You are an ignorant. And you can call that remark whatever you want. Still true.
Why do you think you found that definition
"psukhe" = "breath", "spirit", "soul".
Used in the meaning of===> "mind".
"logia" = "study of"
A Psychiatrist by definition literally is a "soul doctor"
Only an utterly ignorant person would think that's what psychiatry actually DO.
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@Gmmaverick
Calling me ignorant without realizing that there exist many interpretations of "soul" and "psyche". But, of course, you know which one of them is the "correct" one.
By the way, you didn't ask me about the defintion of "psychiatrist" or "psychiatry", but about that of "psychology". But, I guess, just as long as you vent of some steam details become irrelevant
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven You don't even need to ask them, but know what the word means against what they actually do. You are doing a great job at exposing what an ignorant you are.
And -again- what happened to your claim that this charlatans field is "scientifically" based???
And I don't have to "propose" anything. I'm exposing the fact that this field as a whole is a religion. A make believe system which has nothing to do with science.That's all
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
You started"arguing" it is "scientific", failed to support it, and now focus in whether they accept or deny the existence of a soul trying to "dodge the bullet"
No doubt people have issues. The shrinks' claim "the etiology is organic" hence it can be "treated" organically, is a fraud. There's no SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to support such a claim.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
By the way, if you don't know what you are talking about. (Greek) it's ok to say it rather than pretend.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
I never pretended, I quoted.
Are you merely under-fucked or do you mistake me for a punching bag?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
(I missed this coment)
The fact is you don't know. Yet act as if you did, aka = pretender.
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
@Gmmaverick
Projecting again, honey?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@andystruth we hetros continue life on this planet. as long we produce children, there a chance for allot greatness. Allot of bad to but in the end i think we come up with cures and maybe world peace(im a optimist). Actually, if everyone were to stop reproducing, we could also have world peace cause we all be dead*doubt it. We reproduce, thats your answer.
kingstund101 1 month ago
@kingstund101
So, do gays. Some do, anyway.
Well, if you're really interested in world peace stopping you're abrasive attitude would be a first step, wouldn't it?
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kingstund101 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven But after all that said and done, dont act like its perfectly normal to be an homosexual. I've told you science nor religion back up homosexuality. Thats like an Atheiest and Pat Roberts agreeing. Tell me one good to humanity gays serve on there own. and again stop being so buthurt, were all not normal or do something that goes against the grain of nature. Difference between me and you, is that ill own up to it.
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BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@kingstund101 I'd actually like to know one good thing that we hetros do on our own serve humanity.
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@kingstund101
So, you condemn oral, too? You don't know what you're missing!
You made a lot of claims, none of them particular scientific. Gays can and do procreate. In the end, homosexuality may not be advantageous, but it certainly isn't detrimental, either. Quite the contrary: Gays serve as excellent targets to those whose self-worth depends on demeaning others.
And would you please stop obsessing about my butt! It's in mint condition, not that it's any of your business
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@coolstir10
In recognition of the scientific evidence, in 1973 the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the DSM, stating that "it was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... [The former classification] reflected once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples... [H]omosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities."
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@MaxAime
No, criteria for mental disorders are "disability" and / or "harm", not just "being different".
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@RelativistSlayer
Gays have been having heterosexual sex for ages. Just think about all those closet cases pretending to be straight. And some gays actually do have sex with the opposite sex just to sire a child. According to a 2007 study every third lesbian and every sixth gay man has biological children. So, gays CAN and DO reproduce. On the other hand, 2 straight men or 2 straight women couldn't reproduce either. So, reproduction isn't really about sexual orientation.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@StrychnineLD100
"What is the purpose of homosexuality? Curbing overpopulation?"
Homosexuality that comes from gay gene has the purpose of increasing female fertility. (google it)
Homosexuality born from hormonal imbalance or environmental factors has no purpose to be know (that may change in a future)
And no, homosexuals do nothing, they have no effect on population control.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
again with this? Ignorance. Get rid of her, does not deserve to be mayor.
ladama23 1 month ago
@ladama23 I so agree with you. She will hate no matter what. I have yet to see how gays or gay marriage can destroy a civilization or harm a community or a person or couple.. ANyone who believes it or they can do so, is in the total dark.
andystruth 1 month ago
What exactly is the problem? She doesn't like faggots .. so ?
sooperfukker 1 month ago
@andystruth Sure, normal is doing what "God" or "Science" tells your or demands you to. Penis+Vagina=Win / Penis+Asshole=only satifies a perversion. Ur arguing with science, very cute. Again, you guys can have all the rights and gay sex you want, but in the end, your doing something that not of nature intension hence blah blah blah, you get my drift. stop getting butthurt. Dicks are for chicks. Not dicks are for dicks, that serves no purpose.
kingstund101 1 month ago
@kingstund101
Nature doesn't "intend" anything. Nature is not a person.
You do realize that anal sex (which you call a "perversion") is quite common between heterosexuals, but not practiced by all gays, don't you?
What "purpose" do your rants serve, except demeaning others?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven LOL, anal sex among hetrosexuals is in the same leauge, it serves NO purpose except gratify a perversion. It doesnt help repopulate, it doesn't help someone use the bathroom. Yes, Nature intends your penis to be used to repopulate, and use the bathroom. Even getting your dicked sucked is on the same lines of serving a perversion. By gays and straights. Im not ranting, just sayig it as is it. Besicdes its AMERICA, You should be able to do w/e you want sir
kingstund101 1 month ago
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I asked, "What is biological normal for sexual attraction?" Because it is pointless to start talking about a point as "off normal," if one cannot come up with a definition of what is normal. If you all have a consensus of what is normal, then anything that is not that definition is abnormal, accept it as you have come to it. Now whether or not a point deserves definition as a mental disorder, is outside the scope of this forum.
Ambelghan 1 month ago
Silly faggots, dicks are for chicks.(and i mean gays, not budle of twigs for a fire:get wit da times)
kingstund101 1 month ago
@kingstund101 actully theres no rule telling people that your penis is ment to be for my vagina. Your just old fashioned and narrow minded. Everywhere you go you will see a lesbian or a gay person. You honestly have to grow some balls and get over it. There not commiting a crime, there only following there sexual insticts. What you should be bitching about is Beastiliaty. You probably dont even know what that is.
emmababesxoxo1 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
Starting to sound buthurt bro? Let me know when u have science or nature or lol a religion that says being gay is the status qua.
kingstund101 1 month ago
@kingstund101
The status "qua" is that you seem to have run out of arguments.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
if thats what were dealing with then all religion is a virus
justianfox64 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
She is 20 wow really wow i thought she is about 30-35 i'm amazed that she can talk like that professional way , i wanna marry her :((((
Feernea 1 month ago
gay-straight alliance? is it like elven-human alliance or something?
IghorGonzalez001 1 month ago
im not gay id be all into anna
wades623 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven
If everyone decided not to have kids, you would still have accidents. Science/Religion doesn't support gays. You can have all the rights/marriage you want, but at the end of the day, you must admit your not normal.
kingstund101 1 month ago
@kingstund101
Why? Because your sense of superiority insists on it?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@kingstund101 Define Normal? Did you know that in ancient time. The Romans were practicing homosexuality. In Feudal Japan, many of the higher leaders and Generals had gay sex. In the animal kingdom, gay sex exists.
The only thing not normal inm sex, is to not want to have sex. Gays are just as normal as us hetros. They are just attracted to something else.
andystruth 1 month ago
NO ONE could be that dumb!
CitrusLily10 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Stupid people get elected into public office? This is shocking! Not.
Miranox2 1 month ago
What I'm confused isn't homosexuality classified as a mental disorder/illness?
nasaxSN 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@nasaxSN most definately not!
JuzticeStylez 1 month ago
@nasaxSN Nope!
Tiptoetherat 1 month ago
@nasaxSN
It was declassified decades ago.
Here's a statement of the American Psychiatric Association: "[I]t was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... [The former] DSM classification reflected untested assumptions based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples... [H]omosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities."
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@nasaxSN no its not, they began to think it was and started doing test on gays, but then they couldnt really find anything wrong with them, so they just kind of abandonded, the test and came to a conclusion that homosexuality is not a mental illnes.
emmababesxoxo1 1 month ago
@kingstund101
Well, if every straight couple decides against having children you'd have a similar result, wouldn't you? Or if every man decided to become a priest and live celibate.
What are you trying to get at, hypothesizing about such a highly unlikely event?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@eydos
Yes, activism was crucial (as with every civil rights cause). Crucial in having the APA re-check the evidence. "As results from such research accumulated, professionals in medicine, mental health, and the behavioral and social sciences reached the conclusion that it was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder and that the DSM classification reflected untested assumptions based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples." – APA
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@456isinthemix
Actually, gays have been having heterosexual sex for ages. Just think of all those closet cases playing family. Then there are those few gays who have sex with a woman just for the sake of siring a child.
Anyway, sexual orientation is not determined by who you have sex with but by who you DESIRE to have sex with. So, having sex with a woman doesn't all of a sudden render a gay man bisexual or heterosexual.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
Ana looks very uncomfortable before her glamour shot. Does Al Gore make her wear the old lady clothes & strange make up?
eqsmooth 1 month ago
It's not anymore, however transsexualism IS a mental disorder. :)
thEannoyingE 1 month ago
@thEannoyingE What's with the smiley face?
BrandurJustinussen 1 month ago
I really hate how gays are people like everyone else just they like their same sex, yet they can't have the same rights. I just don't understand how that makes them so different they have to be seen as lesser being to some people.
TheSolitaryTraveller 1 month ago
Wait wait wait .... Queer means homosexual?.... hmmm i now think i may have offended some people.... sadface..... wait wait she thinks wanting to have sex is a symptom of metel issues... i geuss all teenage boys are insane oh well.
hippomantube 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Even non-religious people know this.
The homosexual agenda is not good for anyone, including those who consider themselves "gay".
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfully framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 1 month ago
@lightandbeautiful
Since when does "different" translate to "disordered" or "second-class citizen"?
Let me list the extensive "homosexual agenda" for you:
*Equality.
Finished. That was exhausting.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago 31
wow that girl so pretty as smart
thefardox 1 month ago
@StrychnineLD100 so if it serves a purpose for u its not a disorder? although if its secondary effects it doesn't matter? it should be clear that homosexuals have the ability to procreate but rather spend their life with someone of the same gender. what if a homosexual married and had a child with the opposite gender... the person is clearly still homosexual but ur definition of disorder is out of context now don't u think?
fosaae 1 month ago
well she isnt gonna be re-elected anytime soon. lol
awsumpossum1 1 month ago
There is one homophobic species, many more can be homosexual. Nature'd like to have a word.
crazercat 1 month ago
i believe anna its smart and mature for her age , besides not being old enough doesnt mean you are ignorant. im 22 i believe shes 24
prcrazy12345 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I don't see how it's not. Forget all the social crap..think of it just as procreation. My theory is gays men with female mental wiring(and vice versa for lesbians) they are one step BELOW transgender(transgender take it one step furthur and try to become the correct gender) but transgenders are still crazy too
ubermisogynist 1 month ago
@ubermisogynist
Though you may not see it, the important part is that all the major health and mental health organisations do:
"[It is] inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder... [H]omosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities." – American Psychiatric Association
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@BjoernarEricSven if you put gays on a new planet how would they survive? Gays would die out the first generation. They are mentally ill because they aren't wired correctly to be sexually attracted to the sex that creates life. I wish i could find the TYT episode where they said scientist may have found a way to cure gay embryos suprislying gays didn't want them to be cured. not sure why
ubermisogynist 1 month ago
@ubermisogynist
Gays are not infertile, you know. There exist gay fathers and lesbian mothers.
What about straight couples who decide against having children? What about celibate priests? Are they, too, "mentally ill"?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
@ubermisogynist No, what you're saying is only true of sterile and infertile individuals; you are creating a false hypothetical on several levels. There is no way to 'cure' gay embryos because homosexuality is not purely genetic, an embryo has not determined sexuality.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@ubermisogynist
"but transgenders are still crazy too"←They not crazy, that is just how their brain ended up working. Too much male hormone or female hormone can make your brain not match your body, it is not that they are crazy, it just happen to them by accident.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
Who is this person?! A fucking mayor?! We've gone down the drain. The system is set up to reward people like that!!!
preludedriver226 1 month ago
wait, anna is a 20 something ? shit, she looks old...
fackafacka 1 month ago
Honestly if two people want to be gay and love eachother what business is it of anyone elses? If a gay person was to get in a straight person's face about who they choose to love there would be hell so I don't see why the same can't be true of this situation. Nosey, hypocritical people. Geez.
banefulbliss 1 month ago
@StrychnineLD100 i agree with DogsneedpIeasuretoo. its not right to label it as a disorder simply because the biological orientation is different to that of the majority. would you label someone that had red hair or brown skin a disorder? the interpretation of that from that of sexuality shouldn't be different.
fosaae 1 month ago
Every time Michigan is in the news I become more and more embarrassed. We've been very unfortunate with representatives that don't represent us.
lamorega 1 month ago
"Pray the mental disorder away!"
pooyan6969 1 month ago
If they consider it a mental disorder why don't they make an outreach to find medical cures? Why are they not donating money for hospitals or organizing charity events?
ccricers 1 month ago
@ccricers Chick-fil-a donates money to anti-gay organizations and 'cure' programs. More like chemical therapy or electroshock.
MrTrentag1988 1 month ago
@MrTrentag1988 Oh yes, Chick-fil-a. They are a mostly Catholic run store chain, right?
ccricers 1 month ago
@ccricers
Maybe because mental health professionals and researchers have long recognized that being gay is not a disorder.
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago
i am personalyl anti gay. don't get me wrong, i don't insult them nor do i put on my kuklux hood and ride out on my white hrose decapitating queers with a scimirar. i just think it is not a good idea. nature dictates a male must reprodcue with a female and visca versa. also there are lots of complications with such a relationship. and going anal is not save.
lordofallfantasy 1 month ago
@lordofallfantasy shut up and die loser
Calomante 1 month ago
@lordofallfantasy Your opinion/thoughts are completely valid. But... ever gotten oral? Not exactly a way to make a baby. :) Gay men get and give oral all the time. Only difference is that is two guys. Something that you're not interested in.
MrTrentag1988 1 month ago
@lordofallfantasy Humans in general do a lot of stuff that they aren´t natural, and most of the pople get away with that. Homosexuality is wrong only because and ancient fairy tale book called the bible says it´s wrong. Human species needs more than some biological driven to reproduce. If people is happy with people of the same sex, they should be free to go. It doesn´t affect to you if there is a gay couple living miles away from you.
ruy1981 1 month ago
@lordofallfantasy The KKK had nothing to do with gays or homosexuality, also they did not attack gays just southern blacks who they wanted to discourage from voting Republican. The Klan killed white republicans in addition to Black people. Research Klan push card for more information.
watch?v=8bEOiDjdhF4
Iconoclast1155 1 month ago
@lordofallfantasy
"Nature dictates a male must reproduce with a female"? What about couples who decide against having children? Or infertile couples? What about celibacy?
Straight relationships are uncomplicated?
You do realize that anal sex is performed by many straight couples, and that many gays don't, do you?
BjoernarEricSven 1 month ago