Alcoholics Anonymous - Who are you sitting next to?

[429hydroman]

Well there agent orange , who are you sitting next to right now ? ya sure ?

that defoliant really does melt your brain doesnt it.....

[blamethenile]

@429hydroman As far as I know, Orange doesn't watch Youtube videos. You should email him directly to his site. Mike BD

[cantfaun]

Being victimizes is an act of a single person , Blaming the group Is like blaming the library for killing John Lennon.. Yes the catcher in the rye is in the library Must we shut down the Library because of Dave Chapman. Its a false assertion ,Telling people that Judges send people to AA . Convicts and prisoners USE AA as a pass. They Make agreements Such as (I will go to AA) and I will be a better person. This is a promise to the Court system not a sentence.The lie is the Lie of a single person.

[blamethenile]

@cantfaun  By your logic, those victims of abuse should give all that money back to the Catholic Church. Mike BD

[barajaschuy123]

WHO ARE YOU SITTING NEXT TO RIGHT NOW? HOW ABOUT YOU?

[seeker4trth]

If you go to the Dept. of justice sex off. registry, just look for some listings for your zip code, you WILL see some familiar faces from your good old meeting there...

[BeDeCe23]

I call the court card a golden ticket, I came into AA on a court card and have stayed sober ever since (this time) a year and two months. My court case was directly related to alcohol abuse however (drunk in public). In this video its saying that the courts are giving people court cards for non alcohol related cases. I think thats BS.

[blamethenile]

@BeDeCe23 So, you are denying all assertions made in the vid? I would be glad to send you the offender database profile for the rapist mentioned, and Orange has the original links to all the criminals an cannibal mentioned on his site. Mike

[BeDeCe23]

@blamethenile no dude I'm saying its BS because the courts are giving out court cards for non alcohol related circumstances. You misunderstood me.

[blamethenile]

@BeDeCe23 Sorry, and thanks for clearing it up. Mike

[jakabik]

wow. thanks for the info. i've had a problem with court mandates since the first slip of paper i saw. i just stopped signing them.

[blamethenile]

@jakabik Thanks for the post. A few groups have opted out of signing them, as well. Mike

[OneDarkFlame1]

2:37... OMG! :{

[justinhc123]

What is your problem, man? It's so confusing to me why people make these videos to slander a program that really has no overarching system of dictatorial rules or governance. You do know that by default you are placing yourself in the same category of people that get all pissed at "Christianity" and "institutional religion" because of whatever silly reason. You can get mad at individual Christians, but to get upset and stay mad at an inanimate conception or set of beliefs is pretty silly.

[blamethenile]

You have drawn false analogies, and accused us of a serious crime.

Slander:

1-Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.

2-A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

What false statements have we made? Verify them, and they will be corrected.

"Place ourselves in the same catagory"? Get a grip. Mike

[justinhc123]

Wow. You apparently spend your life bashing something that's helped many people.

A serious crime? Me, get a grip? You do know that slander is used as a verb to indicate the act of making false statements right? Not necessarily in relation to law, right? Oh, of course you didn't. Sorry.

I'm sorry my clear analogies are too complex for you. Plain English=You utilize the mistakes of certain individuals to condemned a good organization.

Try a simile: You are like an unsharpened pencil--dull

[OneDarkFlame1]

justinhc123 - take off the blinkers and grow a brain! Preferably an unwashed one...

[dix345]

Do you have any proof of that 'help"?

[ziggy72170]

"Thank God", that today I can eat wild turkey and Not Drink Wild Turkey,(101).

[Godlyguitarman]

@blamethenile the false statements you have made is that it only works for 5%. that it is a breeding grounds for date rapes( you may not have but the haters have) So drawing false analogies more like that you and the other haters are just that, haters under your own expectations that wasn't meet?

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman You have no credible evidence upon which to base your denials. We seldom draw analogies, and your "haters" pejorative grew wearisome long ago. As our friend Dix has often said, it is time for you to get a new joke book, especially since you have no facts upon which to base your assertions. Mike

[Godlyguitarman]

@blamethenile I get my facts from the same surveys that you and the rest of the haters are claiming shows a 5% succes rate. And I am saying that was from 20 years ago. I show plenty of facts hard to show someone who believes that he has all the answers

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman So, you should be able to easily determine that the percentages of membership at various lengths of sobriety correlates to a 5% annual retention rate. Do the math, don't take our word for it. Mike

[Godlyguitarman]

@justinhc123 nice I really like this one. Funny thing about people who have come into the rooms and left because we did wave our magic wand over them in one meeting. Now they are mad because some people who were really sick and tired stayed got help and now are much happier about who we really are. God Bless

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman All 5% of you, right? Mike

[Godlyguitarman]

@blamethenile maybe 5% OF THE WORLD pop. Also 20 years ago people being gay was a total public taboo and today it isn't so where would you like to live. 1989 or 2010? Hmmmmm...........

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman What are you blathering about? The 2007 survey yields the same results as all the previous ones. What does homosexuality have to do with anything we are discussing? Mike

[Godlyguitarman]

@blamethenile come on you know they don't please Check my video 12 step misnomers and you can hear and not have to read. Being gay is just being used as an example of something that the public use to view as taboo as well as addiction is used as taboo. Why won't you answer? 1989 or 2010?

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman So, your gay reference was just a false analogy? We have our own video, Alcoholics Anonymous Attrition Rates, that explain our position fully. Our numbers are sound, and conclusions, reasonable. Perhaps you should continue this discussion there. Mike

[Godlyguitarman]

@blamethenile perhaps you should go check my video and discuss there. my number are straight from the survey. Why don't you answer my questions? You keep trying to slide around the issue. Is this what you did in the rooms?

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman Your numbers are straight from quickcap's parody of the survey report and the GSO homepage. You ask no questions, and there is no "issue". You just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, demanding that we decipher it for you. Mike

[Godlyguitarman]

@blamethenile you saying that only tell me that you have not looked at them I have refences from which I got my numbers, So what you are tell me is that you are the only one with the right number? come one also I repeat my questions because you won't answer them. Also I am not demanding I am asking the smae way you have asked me. It is common respect. You ott to see about getting some

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman For the umpteenth time, your numbers do nothing to discount, disprove, or discredit a 5% annual retention rate of AA. Next question. Mike

[Godlyguitarman]

@blamethenile bull shit. Try reading them with your eyes open. The amount of new meeting and homegroups increase more than 5% each survey. Please what the hell what that. Also next question what time period who you like to live in 1989 or 2010. I can tell you that I live very much in 2010. Why not come and join us, it is ok

[blamethenile]

@Godlyguitarman Bigbook sales and AA's own membership estimates strongly suggest that US membership peaked in the mid-1990's, and has essentially flat-lined ever since. I don't understand your repeated references to 1989. They make no sense. Mike

[blamethenile]

AA's first goal is to get you in the door, then to get you to drink the Kool-ade. It looks as though in your case, it worked. Mike

[blamethenile]

I've been involved with AA for over 28 years, and have attended about 4,000 meetings. Judgement has been rendered, and the results are published. Mike

[dix345]

it is immaterial to AA whether that 'real alcoholic' gets help or not. AA is the purpose of AA.

[dix345]

Many are called, few are chosen. AA derives a benefit from mandated attendees. AA has nothing to gain by stopping the practice.

[blamethenile]

And everything to lose by putting a stop to it. Mike

[tobytwirrll]

If corurt mandated attendance is truly unenforcable and uncheckable why then doesn't aa honestly point this out to the courts and say such an arrangement is not possible, rather than dishonestly collude in a pretence that it is?

[2133580]

aa has no body to point out anything. nor to express any op/ed on anti AA stuff. aa is actually non affected by the misfits, AA really doesn't care what you do

[blamethenile]

AA has all kinds of front groups, two-hatter PR folks, and a well-paid hierachy in New York. You are right about AA not caring what you do, though, since its membership is coercion-fueled rather than outcome dependent. Mike

[Phorph1]

We have 23 meetings a week at the clubhouse I attend and as far as I know we sign all the slips right away and give them back immediately, "We don't take hostages" is kind of one of our unofficial mottos. It's a non starting issue anyway as you can easily sign you own slip and no one can possibly know since no secretary can break anyones anonymity by say if you were there or not or even give there name to check against. Mandated or not there is no reason to be in the rooms if you don't want to b

[dix345]

I presume that this user name has been deleted

[AAorgCourtCard]

i am happy to sign all court cards. $1.50 USD per sig, you pay for postage.

always of service

love D

[humyepright]

My 13-stepper's daugher went to the same fancy-pants rehab my sister went to. Father & daughter are bonding over AA. This man has abandoned other children, but he fears everyone wants him for sex & money. This is a old-timer w/ 15 years in AA. He told me another member prostituted his daughter to him after his divorce. I wonder if he is going to offer his own daughter to the predators of AA? How sad she is a victim of this as an honest type of "none of your business" & "we" program of recovery!

[humyepright]

This truth about people in AA is kept hidden from the newcomer. I am still angry over the fact it was unsafe for me to recover at AA.

Not to mention the fact it was unsafe for my children to be there with me. The club I went to official registerd name with the state is Club Name Family Recovery LLC? The fact there are pedophiles, rapist, and murderers in the rooms some of them not even court ordered is because AA is the perfect haven for predators and AA quarantees them zero accountability.