But that is not what he (as I see it) say he say I don't have the money to pay for the coffee so he ask if some one can help him to have the money to pay for the coffee so that he can participate in the talks. But the comments you did get from him was a bit to mush but on the other had you unsubed just coz of the EB-thing so..well. (just some thoughts from me on this) Regards and have a skilful time. pinge
I agree with you totally on this one. There is nothing wrong with asking for help to promote his series of videos on education for children. But when he asked for money because his camera was broken I felt that was a stupid thing to do. He really surprised me with his response to you. I thought he was better than that. I subbed to you because of this video. Keep up the very good work and keep the honesty at 100%!
I honestly can't see the issue with accepting donations - especially when accepted donations go straight into equipment used to make more videos. If people want to support Pooka making more vids then more power to 'em. People donate to good causes (or simply causes they agree with) all the time - so why should this be any different really? As long as its done in a tasteful manner and not exploited I have no issue with this in principle.
Why can't he pay for the camera himself? He doesn't make much money, and he lives in very expensive NYC. If you don't want to pay for it, don't. He's not "expecting" you to pay for it, he's ASKING.
The language has many subtleties, and you've missed all of them.....
Wow i just lost a lot of respect for thetruepooka. I'm glad you shared this with everyone because when people make videos they show the side of themselves that they want to and it's ussually to make them look good, interesting or like they have some profound shit to say on all the worlds problems. But seeing these things showed me the other side of him, the one he doesn't want people to see. He obviously can't take critizism to what seems to be an over inflated ego.
I guess i don't take such a gut felt negative response to "e-begging". I have noted that some channel owners get much less grief about it than others. I didn't notice anyone saying boo when Coctopus asked for money, or Happycabbie, but people lost their minds when Thunderf00t asked for money. Anyways I still enjoy TheTruePooka's videos and have for a couple of years. I'm sorry you guys had a falling out over this.
Do remember, he is a New Yorker--they do have an arrogance problem--sorry, but it is true. Iowans are ever single bit as good as you guys--suck on this!
Time is money, because any time you spend doing something for free is time you could be spending making money. To make videos worth watching, it takes time to do research, do editing, writing, etc. It seems childish to me, to go and have a hissy fit and waste my time by complaining about how someone is asking for OPTIONAL donations. It's not like he's putting a gun to your head and saying "you must pay me money if you want to enjoy my videos".
It's good to see that you consider others oppinions. Very rational and good charactered of you.
Personally, I think he's made a proposal for a series of videos and needs funding to attempt them. Donations are optional and he's not giving us a sob story about some catastrophy befalling him and needing money to pay medical fees for some sick grandmother, he's told us exactly what he'd like to do and if we want to contribute we can.
@V00D00SIXXX did you read the whole of my comment ? I said BEFORE he got caught lying atheists were on his case about earning a living off Y.T, Learn to read a persons whole comment. Anyway I am done here C.A has asked me to lay off and that's what I intend to do. So I am done here, C.A can fight his own battles from now on.
And I am going back to defending Evolution, the so called Atheist community can go F**K its self for all I care now, it just disappoints me.
@VindicatorReturns you say people were on his case before that, go take your problem to them.. because i and many others didnt have a problem with it till he broke the law. i didnt like his cause but that is moot.
CA and i have known each other for quite a while now, even though we may disagree on an issue we are still friends. it will take a hell of a lot more than some petty issue like this before either of us go telling people theyre on their own or can go F**K themselves.
@V00D00SIXXX For the record I told the atheist community to go fuck its self not C.A, So please don't twist what I am saying, and actually read my comment. Like I have said we will have to agree to disagree on the whole E-begging topic. I have known C.A for a while to the main reason I got involved in this, I didn't like the whole Liar and dramawhore accusation thrown at him, he just isn't like that.......
@VindicatorReturns "told the atheist community to go fuck its self not C.A"
Don't worry buddy, I know what you meant. And I appreciate the support but now I want this to just all calm down a bit so I can think about my next video response to this all. Plus VooDoo's a good man Vind and it bothers me to see you guys fight. Though you both make great points.
@V00D00SIXXX And I think C.A can fight his own battles just fine on his own, like many other Atheist's I am just going to keep my opinions to myself, from now on and leave the atheist in-fighting alone like I should have done in the first place, and go back to what I originally started doing on my channel. I am done with this conversation now.
@V00D00SIXXX I am sorry to see you have had a rough ride in here VooDoo. I would respectfully ask that you try to forgive Vidicator. He really is a good guy and it bothers me to see you guys fight. It's just that he is very passionate about things and that is something I can really relate to.
This is all so fucked up. I really wish I had quietly unsubbed Pooka but at the same time it raises important issues for me. More to come today in next vid.
@V00D00SIXXX No hard feelings I hope, you are correct this is just a petty argument, I guess sometimes being skeptical can go to far. I have looked at several videos on this topic now, and I see no problems with people asking for donations that are purely voluntary I apologize if I caused you offense ;-)
i completely understand people not wanting others asking them for money, it can be (and usually is) annoying. yet its a situation based purely on subjective opinion, similar to moral questions.
i do agree with CA about TTP calling him a liar, that was uncalled for... but at the same time i know how someone leaving you a snarky comment at the wrong time can throw a little gas on a fire.
I think the main thing C.A is you are still friends withThetruepooka, the guy apologized..... result , unexpected reaction from some people getting a little touchy on the E-begging topic though, Maybe hit a little nerve there hey ;-) anyway got your back anytime mate as you have had mine in the past when channel's were being flagged. I didn't appreciate the liar accusation or the drama whore lable aimed at you. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I don't even care about the ebegging shit. I'm subbed to people who ask for money. I just don't give it to them. The fact that he would not only block you on youtube, but would go out of his way to block you on any other social media says a LOT about him.
Over such a simple little comment?! Bleh...I'm not a fan of the guy anyway. He's got some decent vids, but nothing I'd look foward to seeing in my sub box.
I think he got so pissed cuz he knows how some people feel about it.
@CanadienAtheist I think the main thing C.A is you are still friends withThetruepooka, the guy apologized..... result , unexpected reaction from some people getting a little touchy on the E-begging topic though, Maybe hit a little nerve there hey ;-) anyway got your back anytime mate as you have had mine in the past when channel's were being flagged. I didn't appreciate the liar accusation or the drama whore lable aimed at you. Nothing could be further from the truth.
@CanadienAtheist I think the main thing C.A is you are still friends withThetruepooka, the guy apologized..... result , unexpected reaction from some people getting a little touchy on the E-begging topic though, Maybe hit a little nerve there hey ;-) anyway got your back anytime mate as you have had mine in the past when channel's were being flagged. I didn't appreciate the liar accusation or the drama whore lable aimed at you. Nothing could be further from the truth.
When it comes to charity events what I find annoying is the lack of detailed investigation into a promoted charity as to the percentage of funds going to administration, how much the religious beliefs of the members influence their activities, etc. So much about charities can seem so vague as to just what they do that I will not donate to them. LaciGreen and the 14K she helped raised for LOVE146 charity comes to mind, where it turned out to be mostly about promoting Jesus.
My sense of ebegging seems similar to your own, only I just exited the TPs vid when he brought it up, lowering my opinion of him but not in a major way. Yet, I don't mind a person engaged in sales of something they have created, like T-shirts, calendars, ebooks, music, etc. provided such things are not promoted heavily. I think it is best a person wanting an income off YT produce something ppl can choose to purchase of value to the buyer. Anyway, subbed to you due to this vid.
I have mountain biking as a hobbie as well if it brake my bike, I fix and pay for the repair myself, I don't ask my friends for the money. Maybe an alternative to E-begging is to do what some other atheists do sell a product like T-shirts or art and earn the money.
And for the record I have never compared Truepooka to Brett Keane who is a lying scumbag there is a world of difference between the two.
@VindicatorReturns i have a mtn bike too. i used to race in my younger days, and people donated money for my entry fees, travel and repairs. by the time i stopped i was ranked in the top 30 in the world. i would have never gotten as far as i did without help.
if you dont think someones content is worth kicking in a few bucks for, fine... but if you also think making video content that people enjoy is not a way of "earning" money then you are sadly mistaken.
@V00D00SIXXX Viewing Y.T videos is free, most people upload videos to share their views on something or to show off their hobbies,There is a partnership program on Y.T where you can earn money from advertising, If you want to make money off of Y.T(I know its not much) then provide something other than content which is free anyway like selling T-shirts. And producing content on Y.T is not a way of earning money and you shouldn't guilt trip subs into buying you stuff........
@V00D00SIXXX Then you are on the wrong site, maybe take a piece of card with donations please written on it, and go sit on the pavement with a tin cup in front of you.
Why should anyone pay you to make content, that's free anyway ? seriously go get a job and stop fleecing subs out of their cash.
@VindicatorReturns if you dont have an actual point besides being butthurt about other peoples non illegal activity, we are done here.
please point to the subs im fleecing while youre tossing accusations around. if my subs want to donate it is their choice not yours, if i deem asking them for help is warranted it is my choice not yours. my videos are made with my time and my effort, not yours and your input means absolutely zero.
@V00D00SIXXX Had a similar conversation with VFX when he tried justifying asking for a new camera from his subs. He gave me the exact same answer you just did. It seems you are the butt hurt one, like I said you have NO justification ask for money for content that free to watch anyway, and it seems you are just looking after your own interests by defending E-begging which is what you are doing like it or not.
The only thing you are correct about is that we are done.
@V00D00SIXXX My previous comment stands, you may not deceive people but you are no better than him in expecting a livelihood off of others, if your time is money then get a job and spend your time earning it I said I was done, I will let you have the last word. But then again my point means nothing to you and that's OK, on this we will just have to agree to disagree nice talking with you.
@VindicatorReturns That's bullshit. If V00D00's subscribers want to see him do shit that he can't afford, I don't see why helping out should be a problem.
@V00D00SIXXX And neither do you seriously, when Venom tried to make it his living here on YT Atheists gave him the hardest time ever, and this was before he got caught lying. He was told to get a job and stop begging and EARN his money. I was one of them. And it would be hypocritical of ME not to do the same to an atheist doing what he did.
@V00D00SIXXX did you read the whole of my comment ? I said BEFORE he got caught lying atheists were on his case about earning a living off Y.T, Learn to read a persons whole comment. Anyway I am done here C.A has asked me to lay off and that's what I intend to do. So I am done here, C.A can fight his own battles from now on.
And I am going back to defending Evolution, the so called Atheist community can go F**K its self for all I care now, it just disappoints me.
@V00D00SIXXX What right do I have to ask people on the internet to pay for my hobbie ?
Again Youtube videos are free to watch, the time and any money I put into the content is at my own cost, and I wouldn't dream of begging to my subs to pay for it.
I don't care if he asks for money for a camera. I won't send any thing but I don't care if others do. His initial response to you was stupid and reminded me of his response to others in the past. So, I dropped him. No loss to me or to him.
I don't care for the e begging thing, especially for something someone wants, not desperately needs. I've been needing a camera and a computer upgrade for a couple of years, no end in sight. I would never ask anyone to buy such things for me. Childish it is
I'm sorry but all the people here saying its OK to ask, people for money on the internet for nothing in return are wrong, Y.T is a hobbie its free to watch videos and you shouldn't guilt trip your friends into giving money to you because you're camera is broke, if you have to wait several months to afford a new camera so be it. I have no problem with charity events that is different.
I have noticed that some people defending E-begging have also done it in the past......
@VindicatorReturns ......(Continued) nothing like protecting you're own interests is there :-)
Also I would like to point out I didn't have a problem with the donations for Naplams medical condition, things like that I don't have a problem with.
Its asking for cameras new which are luxury's I have a problem with, If TheTruepookas project is important then he would find legitimate means of paying for his camera, if he cant wright away then his project will take longer.
Maybe we can let a single ebeg go by for each channel. I have a brother that lives on a fixed income. I can understand someone asking. We give them a hard time, just like this and then move on. Hopefully learn from the lessen. I sent a large email spam back in 1996 for a client of mine. I haven't done it since. I learned. It does hurt to be called out, especially in public.
I need money for drugs and prostitutes. I think I'll go E-beg too. I doubt I'll get as many apologists defending me as the "coll kids" like Pooka do, but who gives a shit. I'll have drugs and prostitutes to comfort me. :D
See, if my friend couldn't afford to come out for coffee and discussions anymore, I would gladly pay their tab; in fact, I do it all the time (and sometimes it's been done for me). I'm not a fan of "e-begging" but people also have different definitions of what that is, and not all requests for donations are created equal. There's a difference between "my time is so valuable that you should pay me to make videos" and "I don't currently have a means of filming things" -- just my opinion.
And it is of great value to me. Helping out a friend is not something I stopped to consider in this whole thing. I have been given alot to think about. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
"E-begging is wrong and evil and is everything that is wrong with the world! Anyone who e-begs is a monster with no thoughts worthy of listening to, and my removal of my subscription will destroy his youtube career for all time! bwahahahaha!." This guy and people like him need to get a grip on reality.
I very much agreed with you're opinion. I'm going into details about it becuase you already made these points in the video. I support you for that. People need to buy thier own stuff if they want it and not count on people to pay thier for thier stuff. They need to get a job.
Walmart, Sears, and Kmart all have layaway plans available. CanadienAtheist just expressed his opinion that this is e-begging. With all the gray area comments on what is e-begging and what is not...no matter how you sugar coat it...it's begging for money for something. Pooka has this right to do this as with any YT'er...and subs also have the right to call it out. Sounds fair....unless you support Pooka and have called others out for doing this same thing.
I really don't see the problem with this "ebegging". What's wrong with it? There are lots of people that would gladly support his quest, I think. It's not a "you should" deal, it's an "if ya like" deal. IDK I just don't get it.
I agree with CA 100%. I bet I make less than that guy does, but I've purchased everything I own out of my own pocket and, never in my LIFE (excepting when I was a child) have I EVER asked ANYONE to give me ANYTHING.
Go to my channel and all you'll see is a couple of slide shows. I don't even own a freaking video camera, and I've never begged for on either.
@OriginalMergatroid If you recall the comment exchange, he checked the subscriber count, it didn't decrement, and so he thought no-one had unsubscribed. Sometimes we don't check the right facts. :P I look forward to the next time you check the wrong facts, such as not considering alternative situations in your poorly-drawn false dichotomies.
I didn't care for the ebegging either. My circumstances are difficult and i could do much more with a better cam and a cheap used computer upgrade. Ask you or anyone else to buy me shuch stuff??? Hell no. It would embarrass me too much to show my face around here ever again.
So, I wish him well but ignore his begging.
The response to you is way too much. I've had enough of him.
I just want to say that I don't see what the big deal is. It isn't like Pooka is trying to fleece anyone. What VFX did WAS bad. It seems to me that having a go at someone just for asking for a contribution is a bit unfair. You have the option to turn his video off. It's one thing not to agree but another to make a video labeling someone a 'beggar.' I've always thought you to be a fair guy. I'm not having a go at you. i just hope you will reconsider this.
I think he's right myself. We've seen this cyber begging over and over. It's people taking advantage of the generosity of others. It disgusts me. Why not use those donations where they will really do some good instead of purchasing this guy a new camera? Go to a school and purchase a camera for a classroom, not for some guy on youtube begging for one.
@OriginalMergatroid - Well, if he's asking his subs to donate to a camera so he can continue to make videos they want, it's hardly disgusting. But you are entitled to your opinion. What VenomFangX did WAS disgusting because he conned people to contribute to a charity but used the money for his own comfort. That I find disgusting. Pooka asking for money to subsidize his videos doesn't bother me.
@Christheatheist1 I gotta say, I agree with you 100% Chris. CA is entitld to his opinion and feelings about this and I respect and understand it, but an honest appeal to your subs to help out in this way does not bother me either. If he misrepresented his request thats completely different.
@OriginalMergatroid Oh, so purchasing a camera for a classroom is good, but purchasing a camera for a guy who wants to do "museum minutes" for school children who have never been to a museum to show them what a neat place it is is bad? Wow, you draw your lines finely; you'll have to explain to me what the difference is. :D
@OriginalMergatroid Thing is, Pooka has already demonstrated that he has, in fact, made videos of "museum minutes" for school children. He also covered the OWS protests and got some damn good footage. It was the OWS protests where his camera finally was damaged beyond use. He's also taken on Bugsters and racists.
Donating to schools is great. But don't villainize an activist who wants to continue making these kind of videos.
You still haven't given any reason why people should give him a camera or anything else. Is he a registered not-for-profit charity? Does he work? I just don't see why he cannot purchase his own camera. They're not even that expensive.
If the guy was a registered charity I wouldn't be complaining. A camera can be had for $150 and much less if a used camera is purchased. I see no reason to send him money.
@OriginalMergatroid Well one reason why people may feel inclined to donate to his equipment fund is that they consider his videos important and worthy of support.
I get what you're saying. But there is a difference between Pooka and someone like Brett Keane.
@OriginalMergatroid You say one is good and the other is bad - I say you're making a knee-jerk subjective judgement. Maybe it's because I know the complete history of the project he wants to do, and maybe it's because I also know how little a partner makes from YT - but "if people are interested in this project, please contribute" just doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
It's not knee-jerk. I've seen this before from other people. As I said, I make a pretty low income and I have never begged for others to purchase anything for my own use. If he is do dedicated, he could pick up a used camera for likely $50. I may not have even said anything if he had of just asked if anyone had a used camera he could have, but I don't think asking for money is right unless he's a registered charity or non-profit or something.
@OriginalMergatroid --- so I take it you never give gifts to friends or family ever . . . . . or if you do, why wasn't that money spent buying lunches for homeless people and vaccinating children in third world countries?? How dare you suggest buying a video camera for a classroom in a first world country when people are dying in the Sudan? Why is 25 kids getting the use of a camera better than 1000 kids seeing a series of educational videos?
Sure I do, but then they don't go in front of the world and beg for it, and don't go around publicly calling people liars. I would further argue that a classroom will have a lot more than 25 kids over the life of the school, but I think that's obvious. Why not just ask around for a used camera instead of asking for money?
@OriginalMergatroid --- 1) there is a difference between asking and begging. 2) if you're suggesting that the life of a camera would be anything close to the life of a school I have to laugh at you - it would be lucky if it got through two years without being broken or stolen. 3) right, asking that one person chip in a whole camera is better than asking that multiple people chip in a few bucks IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT why? Please explain how that would be less like "begging"
And I am doing so. I probably should not have called it e begging. Their are some very nasty connotations to the word among the atheist community and I didn't stop to think about that. However there is still much about this incident that bothers me.
More on this to come in the next video Thank you for your calm and considered words on this.
Very glad this is being resolved, and especially glad that I read everything before firing off an angry video response.
Short form: It's one thing to straight up say "give me money," it's quite another thing to say "If I get money I will do this, if I don't I will do something else probably including less videos." The first is ebegging, the second is the opening stages of a negotiation - if they don't follow through, THEN you can come down on them.
@stealthbadger In agreement with what the badger said. And since I won't have to make a video now, I'll just poke the badger with a stick. And then run for the hills!
I just noticed the theUKatheist has taken the same approach to remedying equipment failure with his latest video. If this is going to be deemed acceptable behavior on the part of anyone with broken stuff then I can come up with a hell of a long list of things that I need to get repaired.
Agreed. My entire house needs to be repaired. How about if I make some God bashing videos and ask for donations to fix my house up? My roof leaks and I could sure use a kitchen renovation. If I don't get them, I just don't see how I could make any videos.
TheTruePooka obviously has overreacted and even jumped to conclusions, and that's not nice of him. I'll be sure to talk to him about it.
But I disagree with you that he was e-begging. E-begging implies asking for money to strangers for no good reason. In this case he was asking money to his fans for a very good reason. It's more like kickstarter (dot) com where you can get donations towards a project.
Atheists don't need drama. They need to help each other.
Personally, I think you're really stretching the meaning of "fan". Fan is short for fanatic, and I hardly think his subscribers are fanatical about him.
Besides, it looks like his camera works fine to me. Better than what I got.
@OriginalMergatroid In his video he said he borrowed one from a friend. I should have said "subscribers".
The very reason his old camera broke was because he was trying to cover the OWS clashes with the police. I greatly appreciated the coverage he did. Plus I would love to see the project he proposed. I wish I had money to give him.
I would have no problem with someone giving him a camera, it's asking for donations "money" I have a problem with. I agree with the use of the word "subscribers" and accept a slip of the keyboard.
(Contd) ...catches up to the output of Potholer54's Made Easy series, for example, and I have yet to encounter a request for contributions from PH54. Asking for donations is one thing, rounding on people who don't agree with it is bad form. And from another insomniac (as he commented below), lack of sleep is no excuse!
I watched his video yesterday just after you had exchanged comments, and I thought his response was very poor. He could have said "Sorry you feel that way, there's no compulsion to contribute", and left it at that. Like you, I mirrorred his DMCA'd vid and subbed him a month ago. That was my support for the 'ideal' not for the man. I will stay subbed to him, but I'll be more circumspect about his opinions from now on. He's got a long way to go regarding 'educating children' before he... (Contd)
I've never gotten this idea that simply asking for something is offensive, somehow. I get not donating (I never have) but why go and get mad just because he asked. If it bothers you, just ignore it.
@deathtris I am starting to think that is what I should have done. But after enough intrusions of money issues into every part of your life one tends to get a little testy.
I've unblocked you - apologies for going off on you in pm - insomnia makes one short tempered (which does nothing to alleviate my sending it-or changes my views on anything else I said).
Please attach this video to my video asking for donations.
@TheTruePooka Both of you are in the wrong. You shouldn't have attacked him or mislabeled him but you admitted to that so you get a pass. What you should have done is explain to him that youre not friends, and you are not in a coffee shop. You are an entertainer/content provider and there is nothing wrong or shameful when an entertainer gives people who enjoy his brand of entertainment a means to support him so that he can keep entertaining them without having to deal with bills and shit!
@Brettkenster --- I would also make the point that if i wanted to go for coffee and talk to a friend, and they couldn't afford the coffee at the moment, I would gladly pay for theirs as well as my own -- I do it all the time. Pooka's camera broke, he can't swing a new one on his own right away, and he knows that some of his subscribers would rather chip in a few bucks to help him get a new camera than wait several months until he's able to come back under his own steam.
@TheLizardLass Fucken right man people act like money is the end all be all to shit, some people get the fact that life is fucken short and you cant take anything with you, so if you have money use it to bring happiness to you, your family and your friends and enjoy the short time you have seeing smiles instead of counting cents!
@CanadienAtheist Actually I won't make this conditional on what you say;
When I checked my subscriber count after your message it had not changed. However, after considering it I realized that YouTube had a stellar track record of screwing even the most simple things up that is was absolutely plausible that you had been subscribed to me and youtube in its true form was not working properly.
Considering it was telling me that I had made all my videos 42 years ago at the time I'd say this is highly likely. >.<
But anyone who unsubscribed from me after watching my video? They are basically saying that the my words only have value as long as I live by their morality and standards. And those people can absolutely stay unsubscribed.
And just to be clear to everyone - yes, I am and have been a begger. I've begged for many reasons.
I have begged when I was a teen and homeless on the streets of L.A. I have begged as a young adult when me and a group of actors raised the money to start a theater group.
I have begged when I was working with an animal rescue group and we needed donations to keep going.
So yes - I am a begger. Anyone who doesn't like that I am a begger can unsubscribe.
So long as the person requesting donations is being truthful as to the reason behind it, there is no reason for me to have a problem with it. I'm sure the donation would be appreciated, however nobody is being compelled to do so by a simple request of those who may be willing.
As for his reaction to your comment; that was completely childish and uncalled for. As you have stated, he has many interesting things to say and I would rather not terminate my subscription, but I am considering it.
I didn't his reaction but I am trying to consider the view of those who feel they should be able to make a living off this. It was a bit of a knee jerk reaction and I am forced to think about other channels I enjoy and whether or not I would unsub them in the same circumstances. It's a tough call. Money don't come easy and it always changes the tone of an interaction when it comes up.
Left a comment on his channel calling him on his shit, there have been developments, video up soon ;-) P.M me if you want to know more, cant find how to P.M you on the new channel design lol
I like Pooka... Unless a YouTuber takes a jab at me personally, I am not bothered by much to be honest. I enjoyed this video tho, so you gained a subscriber. Take care my friend...
lol just saw the PMs and comments you presented. Pooka's head is so far up his ass he thinks his shit doesn't stink. Like one of his "friends" thinks, it's only eBegging when everybody else does it.
I agree with you. YouTube is at best a hobby, for anybody. I support my hobbies myself, or finding other ways to support the habit. I have several video cameras, all paid for by doing just a few freelance video jobs. The computer, professional green screen, lighting, all kinds of gear, paid for by the hobby.
@SmilingSkeptic This is the level I was coming at it from and I resented him inserting a commercial motive. And it is amazing what people can achieve with a few of these simple tools and a little creativity.
I could have made this very same video! I'm right there with you. I started watching him right after the dmca Doctor crap and also subbed to him. But it is Ebaying and blocking you is bullshit. I'm going to his channel and doing the same. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
I saw you kicking ass and taking names over there. Nice.
At this point I think I probably should have just quietly unsubbed. But I resent the commercial motive intruding into everything I enjoy so I felt it appropriate to say something on my exit. Maybe I should not have called it e begging.
However I also don't like being called a liar so there was no way I was going to let that go when I saw his message to me the next morning.
@Stuckherewithyou Yes, that is a fine example of this quandary. Clair is one of my absolute faves even though she once called me an asshole for suggesting that her art of desertphile's face should be put on a T-shirt. (GRAVITY!) I explained that I meant it should be for desertphile's benefit, of course. (he was very ill at the time) However the judgment of me was not withdrawn. A few days later she gave the art to Vogter who did exactly what I suggested and that was somehow ok. Go figure.
@Stuckherewithyou I got into a similar "spat" with someone else like that. I always watched their vids and left nice comments. One time he basically blew me off, for no reason, & was pretty rude. Called me a kid and so on, for zero reason. It's funny I am ten years older then this person. Once partnered he started getting rude with viewers & so on. NEway, people need to realize, even the most well known YouTubers are still nobody's. Just well known nobody's. Not like this is hard to do.
@Stuckherewithyou Funny you would say that about Claire, I had a similar experience. I remember when she was whining about her sub count being low, no one watching her videos & saying the only females who get attention on YouTube are young blonde with big tits or foreign accent. Back then she responded to comments & was really nice. Then she got a few shout outs & her sub count climbed, along with her attitude & being bitchy. My my how a sub count changes a person.
My gut reaction to his latest video was exactly the same. I was surprised and disappointed. As you say, in the past he's has lots of good things to say but this is a major deviation which I suspect is not going to work out too good for him.
@harussell I am still ambivalent. I didn't like the commercial intrusion and I do think people should buy their own damned camera. But I also respect the opinions of many fine people that feel ok with being asked to donate when they consider it as funding something really important.
I don't know. As soon as money comes up, dust gets kicked up every time.
@CanadienAtheist In the rational/skeptic community we are inclined to suspect that people soliciting donations are up to no good although I'm sure TTP is being sincere in this situation. Nevertheless you can't logically expect people who are in the habit of debunking fraudulent claims to enjoy seeing this from one of their own. But VooDoo is probably right and we should just be quiet and let the subscribers decide for themselves with their donations or lack thereof.
@tremedar As for the ebegging...if his camera and its stand got wrecked by police, he should have thought of that/expected that if he was going to an OWS protest or anything bringing people in conflict with police. If he wasn't prepared to lose everything he brought with him to such an event he should never have gone.
He went through all that trouble? seems pretty obvious that he knew all along that you were subbed to him. But its not about that, its about saving face on his own channel. Pretty disgraceful how against freedom of speech he is. Still, he makes pretty good videos...
I must admit I have been a long time sub of his but this a surprise. I am still friends with Pooka but still friends with you as well. Been ages since I have seen you though. <3
@CanadienAtheist I can tell you're an honest guy, but your point of view is out of whack, True Pooka is not your friend, and you are not in a coffee shop. He is an entertainer/content provider. I don't see anything wrong with an entertainer given people who enjoy his brand of entertainment a means to support him so that he can keep entertaining them without having to get a job that he hates, that takes up his time. If you have an issue with this argument Id be more then happy to consider it.
@Brettkenster No actual problem with that argument. I resented the commercial motive being intruded into what I see mostly as a hobby. But I did fail to consider this argument and connotations of "e begging". It carries a lot of emotional weight and perhaps I should not have called it that.
Not that I know if its the situation in this case but...
not everyone's memory is perfect and its quite likely that he didnt remember you from your username... however, blocking someone for critiquing something indicates very childish behavior or attempt to silence undesirable info that could spoil intended goal (f.ex. getting as much money as possible).
Moments after I clicked Post, I realized that im not addressing it directly to CanadienAtheist and should have worded it properly... unfortunately youtube doesnt offer edit option.
@futureorreligion I think Pooka knows as well as anyone that youtube stats don't get updated that quickly. My user name would be irrelevant as would be his memory of it. He did not and could not have checked it that fast. Pooka over-reacted.
But that is not what he (as I see it) say he say I don't have the money to pay for the coffee so he ask if some one can help him to have the money to pay for the coffee so that he can participate in the talks. But the comments you did get from him was a bit to mush but on the other had you unsubed just coz of the EB-thing so..well. (just some thoughts from me on this) Regards and have a skilful time. pinge
PingeMusic 1 month ago
I agree with you totally on this one. There is nothing wrong with asking for help to promote his series of videos on education for children. But when he asked for money because his camera was broken I felt that was a stupid thing to do. He really surprised me with his response to you. I thought he was better than that. I subbed to you because of this video. Keep up the very good work and keep the honesty at 100%!
19822andy 1 month ago
TTP was being childish in this situation, but CA you were rash.
iCalintz 1 month ago
I honestly can't see the issue with accepting donations - especially when accepted donations go straight into equipment used to make more videos. If people want to support Pooka making more vids then more power to 'em. People donate to good causes (or simply causes they agree with) all the time - so why should this be any different really? As long as its done in a tasteful manner and not exploited I have no issue with this in principle.
TheStigma 1 month ago
"Apparently he is too high and mighty to be buying his own camera"
No, he is too broke to buy a new camera.
SiriusMined 1 month ago
Why can't he pay for the camera himself? He doesn't make much money, and he lives in very expensive NYC. If you don't want to pay for it, don't. He's not "expecting" you to pay for it, he's ASKING.
The language has many subtleties, and you've missed all of them.....
SiriusMined 1 month ago
Wow i just lost a lot of respect for thetruepooka. I'm glad you shared this with everyone because when people make videos they show the side of themselves that they want to and it's ussually to make them look good, interesting or like they have some profound shit to say on all the worlds problems. But seeing these things showed me the other side of him, the one he doesn't want people to see. He obviously can't take critizism to what seems to be an over inflated ego.
marissa17044 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I guess i don't take such a gut felt negative response to "e-begging". I have noted that some channel owners get much less grief about it than others. I didn't notice anyone saying boo when Coctopus asked for money, or Happycabbie, but people lost their minds when Thunderf00t asked for money. Anyways I still enjoy TheTruePooka's videos and have for a couple of years. I'm sorry you guys had a falling out over this.
MsMrNoface 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
you must have hit a nerve with him
fallbread 1 month ago
Do remember, he is a New Yorker--they do have an arrogance problem--sorry, but it is true. Iowans are ever single bit as good as you guys--suck on this!
hatemorethanyou999 1 month ago
Time is money, because any time you spend doing something for free is time you could be spending making money. To make videos worth watching, it takes time to do research, do editing, writing, etc. It seems childish to me, to go and have a hissy fit and waste my time by complaining about how someone is asking for OPTIONAL donations. It's not like he's putting a gun to your head and saying "you must pay me money if you want to enjoy my videos".
luccaskunk 1 month ago
@luccaskunk You make some very good points. Many people have given me much to consider on this. Thanks for your thoughts as well.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist
It's good to see that you consider others oppinions. Very rational and good charactered of you.
Personally, I think he's made a proposal for a series of videos and needs funding to attempt them. Donations are optional and he's not giving us a sob story about some catastrophy befalling him and needing money to pay medical fees for some sick grandmother, he's told us exactly what he'd like to do and if we want to contribute we can.
Grysham 1 month ago
Cheers, e-begging discredits the message too.
AncestralReflections 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX did you read the whole of my comment ? I said BEFORE he got caught lying atheists were on his case about earning a living off Y.T, Learn to read a persons whole comment. Anyway I am done here C.A has asked me to lay off and that's what I intend to do. So I am done here, C.A can fight his own battles from now on.
And I am going back to defending Evolution, the so called Atheist community can go F**K its self for all I care now, it just disappoints me.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns you say people were on his case before that, go take your problem to them.. because i and many others didnt have a problem with it till he broke the law. i didnt like his cause but that is moot.
CA and i have known each other for quite a while now, even though we may disagree on an issue we are still friends. it will take a hell of a lot more than some petty issue like this before either of us go telling people theyre on their own or can go F**K themselves.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX For the record I told the atheist community to go fuck its self not C.A, So please don't twist what I am saying, and actually read my comment. Like I have said we will have to agree to disagree on the whole E-begging topic. I have known C.A for a while to the main reason I got involved in this, I didn't like the whole Liar and dramawhore accusation thrown at him, he just isn't like that.......
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns "told the atheist community to go fuck its self not C.A"
Don't worry buddy, I know what you meant. And I appreciate the support but now I want this to just all calm down a bit so I can think about my next video response to this all. Plus VooDoo's a good man Vind and it bothers me to see you guys fight. Though you both make great points.
Damn, this is all so fucked up and hard, ya know?
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist Its ok buddy things got a heated I think Myself and Voodo are just passionate about this topic and things got out of hand sorry ;-)
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX And I think C.A can fight his own battles just fine on his own, like many other Atheist's I am just going to keep my opinions to myself, from now on and leave the atheist in-fighting alone like I should have done in the first place, and go back to what I originally started doing on my channel. I am done with this conversation now.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX I am sorry to see you have had a rough ride in here VooDoo. I would respectfully ask that you try to forgive Vidicator. He really is a good guy and it bothers me to see you guys fight. It's just that he is very passionate about things and that is something I can really relate to.
This is all so fucked up. I really wish I had quietly unsubbed Pooka but at the same time it raises important issues for me. More to come today in next vid.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX No hard feelings I hope, you are correct this is just a petty argument, I guess sometimes being skeptical can go to far. I have looked at several videos on this topic now, and I see no problems with people asking for donations that are purely voluntary I apologize if I caused you offense ;-)
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns no offense taken, disagreements are bound to happen.
i completely understand people not wanting others asking them for money, it can be (and usually is) annoying. yet its a situation based purely on subjective opinion, similar to moral questions.
i do agree with CA about TTP calling him a liar, that was uncalled for... but at the same time i know how someone leaving you a snarky comment at the wrong time can throw a little gas on a fire.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
Dont worry C.A I am done here, its the last time I help out anyone. see ya
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
I think the main thing C.A is you are still friends withThetruepooka, the guy apologized..... result , unexpected reaction from some people getting a little touchy on the E-begging topic though, Maybe hit a little nerve there hey ;-) anyway got your back anytime mate as you have had mine in the past when channel's were being flagged. I didn't appreciate the liar accusation or the drama whore lable aimed at you. Nothing could be further from the truth.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
I don't even care about the ebegging shit. I'm subbed to people who ask for money. I just don't give it to them. The fact that he would not only block you on youtube, but would go out of his way to block you on any other social media says a LOT about him.
Over such a simple little comment?! Bleh...I'm not a fan of the guy anyway. He's got some decent vids, but nothing I'd look foward to seeing in my sub box.
I think he got so pissed cuz he knows how some people feel about it.
Zentz29 1 month ago
Complaining about ebegging. Unsubbed.
Saesegral 1 month ago
@Saesegral Aren't you funny!
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist I just checked my sub numbers and they haven't changed. Hmmmm....
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist I think the main thing C.A is you are still friends withThetruepooka, the guy apologized..... result , unexpected reaction from some people getting a little touchy on the E-begging topic though, Maybe hit a little nerve there hey ;-) anyway got your back anytime mate as you have had mine in the past when channel's were being flagged. I didn't appreciate the liar accusation or the drama whore lable aimed at you. Nothing could be further from the truth.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist I think the main thing C.A is you are still friends withThetruepooka, the guy apologized..... result , unexpected reaction from some people getting a little touchy on the E-begging topic though, Maybe hit a little nerve there hey ;-) anyway got your back anytime mate as you have had mine in the past when channel's were being flagged. I didn't appreciate the liar accusation or the drama whore lable aimed at you. Nothing could be further from the truth.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
When it comes to charity events what I find annoying is the lack of detailed investigation into a promoted charity as to the percentage of funds going to administration, how much the religious beliefs of the members influence their activities, etc. So much about charities can seem so vague as to just what they do that I will not donate to them. LaciGreen and the 14K she helped raised for LOVE146 charity comes to mind, where it turned out to be mostly about promoting Jesus.
gedgetips 1 month ago
My sense of ebegging seems similar to your own, only I just exited the TPs vid when he brought it up, lowering my opinion of him but not in a major way. Yet, I don't mind a person engaged in sales of something they have created, like T-shirts, calendars, ebooks, music, etc. provided such things are not promoted heavily. I think it is best a person wanting an income off YT produce something ppl can choose to purchase of value to the buyer. Anyway, subbed to you due to this vid.
gedgetips 1 month ago
Hi people! My wife needs a new computer. A gaming capable laptop would be nice. I'll be looking in the mail... ;)
blackwolf1200 1 month ago
Damn man that was a good video, I'm sorry you got treated like that by pooka.
I still think he has a loot of good things to say, so I will be subbed to him for now.......
TheX2Com 1 month ago
Thanks C.A will post it now ;-)
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I have mountain biking as a hobbie as well if it brake my bike, I fix and pay for the repair myself, I don't ask my friends for the money. Maybe an alternative to E-begging is to do what some other atheists do sell a product like T-shirts or art and earn the money.
And for the record I have never compared Truepooka to Brett Keane who is a lying scumbag there is a world of difference between the two.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns i have a mtn bike too. i used to race in my younger days, and people donated money for my entry fees, travel and repairs. by the time i stopped i was ranked in the top 30 in the world. i would have never gotten as far as i did without help.
if you dont think someones content is worth kicking in a few bucks for, fine... but if you also think making video content that people enjoy is not a way of "earning" money then you are sadly mistaken.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX Viewing Y.T videos is free, most people upload videos to share their views on something or to show off their hobbies,There is a partnership program on Y.T where you can earn money from advertising, If you want to make money off of Y.T(I know its not much) then provide something other than content which is free anyway like selling T-shirts. And producing content on Y.T is not a way of earning money and you shouldn't guilt trip subs into buying you stuff........
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns been there done all that. my time is money, sorry.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX Then you are on the wrong site, maybe take a piece of card with donations please written on it, and go sit on the pavement with a tin cup in front of you.
Why should anyone pay you to make content, that's free anyway ? seriously go get a job and stop fleecing subs out of their cash.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns if you dont have an actual point besides being butthurt about other peoples non illegal activity, we are done here.
please point to the subs im fleecing while youre tossing accusations around. if my subs want to donate it is their choice not yours, if i deem asking them for help is warranted it is my choice not yours. my videos are made with my time and my effort, not yours and your input means absolutely zero.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX Had a similar conversation with VFX when he tried justifying asking for a new camera from his subs. He gave me the exact same answer you just did. It seems you are the butt hurt one, like I said you have NO justification ask for money for content that free to watch anyway, and it seems you are just looking after your own interests by defending E-begging which is what you are doing like it or not.
The only thing you are correct about is that we are done.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns whatever, youve done nothing but cry about other people not doing anything wrong
VFX deceived people, big difference hot rod.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX My previous comment stands, you may not deceive people but you are no better than him in expecting a livelihood off of others, if your time is money then get a job and spend your time earning it I said I was done, I will let you have the last word. But then again my point means nothing to you and that's OK, on this we will just have to agree to disagree nice talking with you.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns That's bullshit. If V00D00's subscribers want to see him do shit that he can't afford, I don't see why helping out should be a problem.
Zentz29 1 month ago
@Zentz29 Thats ok you disagree with my opinion and I disagree with yours, nothing else to say.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns Well that's something we can agree on. We have different opnions. nuff said.
Zentz29 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns Or anyone else for that matter...
See my first comment.
Zentz29 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns no it doesnt, if i want YT to be my job and i earn my living producing videos, then so be it. you have no argument at all.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX I am tending to agree with you here VooDoo. Hey Vindicator, give it a rest for now man. More developments coming this evening.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX And neither do you seriously, when Venom tried to make it his living here on YT Atheists gave him the hardest time ever, and this was before he got caught lying. He was told to get a job and stop begging and EARN his money. I was one of them. And it would be hypocritical of ME not to do the same to an atheist doing what he did.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns it was because he deceived his donors, not because he was accepting donations. learn what youre talking about please.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX did you read the whole of my comment ? I said BEFORE he got caught lying atheists were on his case about earning a living off Y.T, Learn to read a persons whole comment. Anyway I am done here C.A has asked me to lay off and that's what I intend to do. So I am done here, C.A can fight his own battles from now on.
And I am going back to defending Evolution, the so called Atheist community can go F**K its self for all I care now, it just disappoints me.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX ...Get a job pay for it yourself.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns wow, awesome reply.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
@V00D00SIXXX What right do I have to ask people on the internet to pay for my hobbie ?
Again Youtube videos are free to watch, the time and any money I put into the content is at my own cost, and I wouldn't dream of begging to my subs to pay for it.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns the same right as everyone else.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
I don't care if he asks for money for a camera. I won't send any thing but I don't care if others do. His initial response to you was stupid and reminded me of his response to others in the past. So, I dropped him. No loss to me or to him.
I don't care for the e begging thing, especially for something someone wants, not desperately needs. I've been needing a camera and a computer upgrade for a couple of years, no end in sight. I would never ask anyone to buy such things for me. Childish it is
MacNutz2 1 month ago
I'm sorry but all the people here saying its OK to ask, people for money on the internet for nothing in return are wrong, Y.T is a hobbie its free to watch videos and you shouldn't guilt trip your friends into giving money to you because you're camera is broke, if you have to wait several months to afford a new camera so be it. I have no problem with charity events that is different.
I have noticed that some people defending E-begging have also done it in the past......
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns ......(Continued) nothing like protecting you're own interests is there :-)
Also I would like to point out I didn't have a problem with the donations for Naplams medical condition, things like that I don't have a problem with.
Its asking for cameras new which are luxury's I have a problem with, If TheTruepookas project is important then he would find legitimate means of paying for his camera, if he cant wright away then his project will take longer.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
If you're just going to throw the money away I'll be happy to take some. *grin*
madjimms 1 month ago
Maybe we can let a single ebeg go by for each channel. I have a brother that lives on a fixed income. I can understand someone asking. We give them a hard time, just like this and then move on. Hopefully learn from the lessen. I sent a large email spam back in 1996 for a client of mine. I haven't done it since. I learned. It does hurt to be called out, especially in public.
Too bad the relationship went south.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
I need money for drugs and prostitutes. I think I'll go E-beg too. I doubt I'll get as many apologists defending me as the "coll kids" like Pooka do, but who gives a shit. I'll have drugs and prostitutes to comfort me. :D
TheGlutesOfLove 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
See, if my friend couldn't afford to come out for coffee and discussions anymore, I would gladly pay their tab; in fact, I do it all the time (and sometimes it's been done for me). I'm not a fan of "e-begging" but people also have different definitions of what that is, and not all requests for donations are created equal. There's a difference between "my time is so valuable that you should pay me to make videos" and "I don't currently have a means of filming things" -- just my opinion.
TheLizardLass 1 month ago
@TheLizardLass "-- just my opinion."
And it is of great value to me. Helping out a friend is not something I stopped to consider in this whole thing. I have been given alot to think about. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
Just made a video giving my two cents on this shit , BTW respect for having auto approve on!
Brettkenster 1 month ago
Good video. Exposing the truth of his actions.
E-begging is such a disingenuous activity.
In all honesty the majority of the people who e-beg should in fact be paying the viewer for tolerating the crap that they put out.
MyGodTheresNoGod 1 month ago
"E-begging is wrong and evil and is everything that is wrong with the world! Anyone who e-begs is a monster with no thoughts worthy of listening to, and my removal of my subscription will destroy his youtube career for all time! bwahahahaha!." This guy and people like him need to get a grip on reality.
theoxymoronfromtexas 1 month ago
I very much agreed with you're opinion. I'm going into details about it becuase you already made these points in the video. I support you for that. People need to buy thier own stuff if they want it and not count on people to pay thier for thier stuff. They need to get a job.
ghostyman666 1 month ago
Walmart, Sears, and Kmart all have layaway plans available. CanadienAtheist just expressed his opinion that this is e-begging. With all the gray area comments on what is e-begging and what is not...no matter how you sugar coat it...it's begging for money for something. Pooka has this right to do this as with any YT'er...and subs also have the right to call it out. Sounds fair....unless you support Pooka and have called others out for doing this same thing.
urwormfood 1 month ago
I really don't see the problem with this "ebegging". What's wrong with it? There are lots of people that would gladly support his quest, I think. It's not a "you should" deal, it's an "if ya like" deal. IDK I just don't get it.
IndifferentSky 1 month ago
But, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??????
THE CHILDREN!!!!!!
I agree with CA 100%. I bet I make less than that guy does, but I've purchased everything I own out of my own pocket and, never in my LIFE (excepting when I was a child) have I EVER asked ANYONE to give me ANYTHING.
Go to my channel and all you'll see is a couple of slide shows. I don't even own a freaking video camera, and I've never begged for on either.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
BTW, there is a big difference between a hypocrite and someone who forgot that he PMed you once a month ago. Just throwing that out there.
theinnerbadger 1 month ago
@theinnerbadger
So, either he's incompetent, or a hypocrite. Most people don't call others a liar without checking their facts first. I would go with the latter.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid If you recall the comment exchange, he checked the subscriber count, it didn't decrement, and so he thought no-one had unsubscribed. Sometimes we don't check the right facts. :P I look forward to the next time you check the wrong facts, such as not considering alternative situations in your poorly-drawn false dichotomies.
Oh wait, that just happened! ^.^
theinnerbadger 1 month ago
@theinnerbadger
Yes, he didn't see the counter decrease so he threw out the liar label. As my comments stand, incompetent or hypocritical. Pick one.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid Again, false dichotomy. :D
theinnerbadger 1 month ago
@theinnerbadger
I disagree.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
I didn't care for the ebegging either. My circumstances are difficult and i could do much more with a better cam and a cheap used computer upgrade. Ask you or anyone else to buy me shuch stuff??? Hell no. It would embarrass me too much to show my face around here ever again.
So, I wish him well but ignore his begging.
The response to you is way too much. I've had enough of him.
MacNutz2 1 month ago
I just want to say that I don't see what the big deal is. It isn't like Pooka is trying to fleece anyone. What VFX did WAS bad. It seems to me that having a go at someone just for asking for a contribution is a bit unfair. You have the option to turn his video off. It's one thing not to agree but another to make a video labeling someone a 'beggar.' I've always thought you to be a fair guy. I'm not having a go at you. i just hope you will reconsider this.
Christheatheist1 1 month ago
@Christheatheist1
I think he's right myself. We've seen this cyber begging over and over. It's people taking advantage of the generosity of others. It disgusts me. Why not use those donations where they will really do some good instead of purchasing this guy a new camera? Go to a school and purchase a camera for a classroom, not for some guy on youtube begging for one.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid - Well, if he's asking his subs to donate to a camera so he can continue to make videos they want, it's hardly disgusting. But you are entitled to your opinion. What VenomFangX did WAS disgusting because he conned people to contribute to a charity but used the money for his own comfort. That I find disgusting. Pooka asking for money to subsidize his videos doesn't bother me.
Christheatheist1 1 month ago
@Christheatheist1 I gotta say, I agree with you 100% Chris. CA is entitld to his opinion and feelings about this and I respect and understand it, but an honest appeal to your subs to help out in this way does not bother me either. If he misrepresented his request thats completely different.
devchelle2 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid Oh, so purchasing a camera for a classroom is good, but purchasing a camera for a guy who wants to do "museum minutes" for school children who have never been to a museum to show them what a neat place it is is bad? Wow, you draw your lines finely; you'll have to explain to me what the difference is. :D
theinnerbadger 1 month ago
@theinnerbadger
I really have to explain to you the difference between giving some guy on youtube a camera and donating one to a school? REALLY?
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid Thing is, Pooka has already demonstrated that he has, in fact, made videos of "museum minutes" for school children. He also covered the OWS protests and got some damn good footage. It was the OWS protests where his camera finally was damaged beyond use. He's also taken on Bugsters and racists.
Donating to schools is great. But don't villainize an activist who wants to continue making these kind of videos.
Shit, it isn't like he's asking for an Xbox.
TheRecoveringZombie 1 month ago
@TheRecoveringZombie
You still haven't given any reason why people should give him a camera or anything else. Is he a registered not-for-profit charity? Does he work? I just don't see why he cannot purchase his own camera. They're not even that expensive.
If the guy was a registered charity I wouldn't be complaining. A camera can be had for $150 and much less if a used camera is purchased. I see no reason to send him money.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid Well one reason why people may feel inclined to donate to his equipment fund is that they consider his videos important and worthy of support.
I get what you're saying. But there is a difference between Pooka and someone like Brett Keane.
TheRecoveringZombie 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid You say one is good and the other is bad - I say you're making a knee-jerk subjective judgement. Maybe it's because I know the complete history of the project he wants to do, and maybe it's because I also know how little a partner makes from YT - but "if people are interested in this project, please contribute" just doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
theinnerbadger 1 month ago
@theinnerbadger
It's not knee-jerk. I've seen this before from other people. As I said, I make a pretty low income and I have never begged for others to purchase anything for my own use. If he is do dedicated, he could pick up a used camera for likely $50. I may not have even said anything if he had of just asked if anyone had a used camera he could have, but I don't think asking for money is right unless he's a registered charity or non-profit or something.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid --- so I take it you never give gifts to friends or family ever . . . . . or if you do, why wasn't that money spent buying lunches for homeless people and vaccinating children in third world countries?? How dare you suggest buying a video camera for a classroom in a first world country when people are dying in the Sudan? Why is 25 kids getting the use of a camera better than 1000 kids seeing a series of educational videos?
TheLizardLass 1 month ago
@TheLizardLass
Sure I do, but then they don't go in front of the world and beg for it, and don't go around publicly calling people liars. I would further argue that a classroom will have a lot more than 25 kids over the life of the school, but I think that's obvious. Why not just ask around for a used camera instead of asking for money?
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid --- 1) there is a difference between asking and begging. 2) if you're suggesting that the life of a camera would be anything close to the life of a school I have to laugh at you - it would be lucky if it got through two years without being broken or stolen. 3) right, asking that one person chip in a whole camera is better than asking that multiple people chip in a few bucks IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT why? Please explain how that would be less like "begging"
TheLizardLass 1 month ago
@Christheatheist1 "i just hope you will reconsider this."
And I am doing so. I probably should not have called it e begging. Their are some very nasty connotations to the word among the atheist community and I didn't stop to think about that. However there is still much about this incident that bothers me.
More on this to come in the next video Thank you for your calm and considered words on this.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist - No worries mate. You are one of my favorite youtubers. I just hope you guys can patch this up. Cheers.
Christheatheist1 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist " I probably should not have called it e begging. "
You probably shouldn't have assumed things for which you know nothing about....
SiriusMined 1 month ago
Very glad this is being resolved, and especially glad that I read everything before firing off an angry video response.
Short form: It's one thing to straight up say "give me money," it's quite another thing to say "If I get money I will do this, if I don't I will do something else probably including less videos." The first is ebegging, the second is the opening stages of a negotiation - if they don't follow through, THEN you can come down on them.
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*wanders off*
stealthbadger 1 month ago
@stealthbadger In agreement with what the badger said. And since I won't have to make a video now, I'll just poke the badger with a stick. And then run for the hills!
FelidaTheG33k 1 month ago
I just noticed the theUKatheist has taken the same approach to remedying equipment failure with his latest video. If this is going to be deemed acceptable behavior on the part of anyone with broken stuff then I can come up with a hell of a long list of things that I need to get repaired.
harussell 1 month ago
@harussell
Agreed. My entire house needs to be repaired. How about if I make some God bashing videos and ask for donations to fix my house up? My roof leaks and I could sure use a kitchen renovation. If I don't get them, I just don't see how I could make any videos.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
TheTruePooka obviously has overreacted and even jumped to conclusions, and that's not nice of him. I'll be sure to talk to him about it.
But I disagree with you that he was e-begging. E-begging implies asking for money to strangers for no good reason. In this case he was asking money to his fans for a very good reason. It's more like kickstarter (dot) com where you can get donations towards a project.
Atheists don't need drama. They need to help each other.
AtheismTV 1 month ago
@AtheismTV
Personally, I think you're really stretching the meaning of "fan". Fan is short for fanatic, and I hardly think his subscribers are fanatical about him.
Besides, it looks like his camera works fine to me. Better than what I got.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
@OriginalMergatroid In his video he said he borrowed one from a friend. I should have said "subscribers".
The very reason his old camera broke was because he was trying to cover the OWS clashes with the police. I greatly appreciated the coverage he did. Plus I would love to see the project he proposed. I wish I had money to give him.
AtheismTV 1 month ago
@AtheismTV
I would have no problem with someone giving him a camera, it's asking for donations "money" I have a problem with. I agree with the use of the word "subscribers" and accept a slip of the keyboard.
OriginalMergatroid 1 month ago
(Contd) ...catches up to the output of Potholer54's Made Easy series, for example, and I have yet to encounter a request for contributions from PH54. Asking for donations is one thing, rounding on people who don't agree with it is bad form. And from another insomniac (as he commented below), lack of sleep is no excuse!
DaithiDublin 1 month ago 2
I watched his video yesterday just after you had exchanged comments, and I thought his response was very poor. He could have said "Sorry you feel that way, there's no compulsion to contribute", and left it at that. Like you, I mirrorred his DMCA'd vid and subbed him a month ago. That was my support for the 'ideal' not for the man. I will stay subbed to him, but I'll be more circumspect about his opinions from now on. He's got a long way to go regarding 'educating children' before he... (Contd)
DaithiDublin 1 month ago
I've never gotten this idea that simply asking for something is offensive, somehow. I get not donating (I never have) but why go and get mad just because he asked. If it bothers you, just ignore it.
deathtris 1 month ago
@deathtris I am starting to think that is what I should have done. But after enough intrusions of money issues into every part of your life one tends to get a little testy.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
non issue.
the real issue is that he is doing what he accused and condemned Tf (and others )of doing in the past, which kind of make him a hypocrite.
now the act iself, well...not really an issue.
ebeg all the way pookie.
AmetReloads 1 month ago
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krapptacular 1 month ago
E-begging is simply panhandling. If someone is starving I'll give them some food. If not, and they just want free money, they get nothing from me.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
I've unblocked you - apologies for going off on you in pm - insomnia makes one short tempered (which does nothing to alleviate my sending it-or changes my views on anything else I said).
Please attach this video to my video asking for donations.
TheTruePooka 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@TheTruePooka Both of you are in the wrong. You shouldn't have attacked him or mislabeled him but you admitted to that so you get a pass. What you should have done is explain to him that youre not friends, and you are not in a coffee shop. You are an entertainer/content provider and there is nothing wrong or shameful when an entertainer gives people who enjoy his brand of entertainment a means to support him so that he can keep entertaining them without having to deal with bills and shit!
Brettkenster 1 month ago
@Brettkenster --- I would also make the point that if i wanted to go for coffee and talk to a friend, and they couldn't afford the coffee at the moment, I would gladly pay for theirs as well as my own -- I do it all the time. Pooka's camera broke, he can't swing a new one on his own right away, and he knows that some of his subscribers would rather chip in a few bucks to help him get a new camera than wait several months until he's able to come back under his own steam.
TheLizardLass 1 month ago
@TheLizardLass Fucken right man people act like money is the end all be all to shit, some people get the fact that life is fucken short and you cant take anything with you, so if you have money use it to bring happiness to you, your family and your friends and enjoy the short time you have seeing smiles instead of counting cents!
Brettkenster 1 month ago
@TheLizardLass - I agree 100%.
Christheatheist1 1 month ago
@TheTruePooka "I've unblocked you - apologies for going off on you in pm"
Thank you for that. I have attached the video response.
Many people have given me much to think about on this. I will get back to you this evening after work.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@TheTruePooka
Funny how much chaos 2 words can cause.
I will say that I should not have called it e begging if you will acknowledge you should not have called me a liar.
Call it even?
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist Actually I won't make this conditional on what you say;
When I checked my subscriber count after your message it had not changed. However, after considering it I realized that YouTube had a stellar track record of screwing even the most simple things up that is was absolutely plausible that you had been subscribed to me and youtube in its true form was not working properly.
cont-
TheTruePooka 1 month ago
@TheTruePooka
Considering it was telling me that I had made all my videos 42 years ago at the time I'd say this is highly likely. >.<
But anyone who unsubscribed from me after watching my video? They are basically saying that the my words only have value as long as I live by their morality and standards. And those people can absolutely stay unsubscribed.
And just to be clear to everyone - yes, I am and have been a begger. I've begged for many reasons.
cont -
TheTruePooka 1 month ago
@TheTruePooka cont -
I have begged when I was a teen and homeless on the streets of L.A. I have begged as a young adult when me and a group of actors raised the money to start a theater group.
I have begged when I was working with an animal rescue group and we needed donations to keep going.
So yes - I am a begger. Anyone who doesn't like that I am a begger can unsubscribe.
TheTruePooka 1 month ago
So long as the person requesting donations is being truthful as to the reason behind it, there is no reason for me to have a problem with it. I'm sure the donation would be appreciated, however nobody is being compelled to do so by a simple request of those who may be willing.
As for his reaction to your comment; that was completely childish and uncalled for. As you have stated, he has many interesting things to say and I would rather not terminate my subscription, but I am considering it.
troy2062 1 month ago
@troy2062 I understand.
I didn't his reaction but I am trying to consider the view of those who feel they should be able to make a living off this. It was a bit of a knee jerk reaction and I am forced to think about other channels I enjoy and whether or not I would unsub them in the same circumstances. It's a tough call. Money don't come easy and it always changes the tone of an interaction when it comes up.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
Left a comment on his channel calling him on his shit, there have been developments, video up soon ;-) P.M me if you want to know more, cant find how to P.M you on the new channel design lol
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I like Pooka... Unless a YouTuber takes a jab at me personally, I am not bothered by much to be honest. I enjoyed this video tho, so you gained a subscriber. Take care my friend...
HaligonianType1 1 month ago
@HaligonianType1 I can respect that. Thank you.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
lol just saw the PMs and comments you presented. Pooka's head is so far up his ass he thinks his shit doesn't stink. Like one of his "friends" thinks, it's only eBegging when everybody else does it.
SmilingSkeptic 1 month ago
I agree with you. YouTube is at best a hobby, for anybody. I support my hobbies myself, or finding other ways to support the habit. I have several video cameras, all paid for by doing just a few freelance video jobs. The computer, professional green screen, lighting, all kinds of gear, paid for by the hobby.
SmilingSkeptic 1 month ago
@SmilingSkeptic This is the level I was coming at it from and I resented him inserting a commercial motive. And it is amazing what people can achieve with a few of these simple tools and a little creativity.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
My channel is all about ebegging but not for money.
endthedisease 1 month ago
I could have made this very same video! I'm right there with you. I started watching him right after the dmca Doctor crap and also subbed to him. But it is Ebaying and blocking you is bullshit. I'm going to his channel and doing the same. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
SuperSoylent2 1 month ago
@SuperSoylent2 Thanks.
I saw you kicking ass and taking names over there. Nice.
At this point I think I probably should have just quietly unsubbed. But I resent the commercial motive intruding into everything I enjoy so I felt it appropriate to say something on my exit. Maybe I should not have called it e begging.
However I also don't like being called a liar so there was no way I was going to let that go when I saw his message to me the next morning.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
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Stuckherewithyou 1 month ago
@Stuckherewithyou Yes, that is a fine example of this quandary. Clair is one of my absolute faves even though she once called me an asshole for suggesting that her art of desertphile's face should be put on a T-shirt. (GRAVITY!) I explained that I meant it should be for desertphile's benefit, of course. (he was very ill at the time) However the judgment of me was not withdrawn. A few days later she gave the art to Vogter who did exactly what I suggested and that was somehow ok. Go figure.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist
I like Clair but she can react before figuring out what a comment really means.
prodigyat9 1 month ago
@Stuckherewithyou I got into a similar "spat" with someone else like that. I always watched their vids and left nice comments. One time he basically blew me off, for no reason, & was pretty rude. Called me a kid and so on, for zero reason. It's funny I am ten years older then this person. Once partnered he started getting rude with viewers & so on. NEway, people need to realize, even the most well known YouTubers are still nobody's. Just well known nobody's. Not like this is hard to do.
HaligonianType1 1 month ago
@Stuckherewithyou Funny you would say that about Claire, I had a similar experience. I remember when she was whining about her sub count being low, no one watching her videos & saying the only females who get attention on YouTube are young blonde with big tits or foreign accent. Back then she responded to comments & was really nice. Then she got a few shout outs & her sub count climbed, along with her attitude & being bitchy. My my how a sub count changes a person.
ProtectingMyPups 1 month ago
Panhandling like that reminds me of VenomFangX. I wish I had been subbed to his channel so I could unsubscribe too!
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
My gut reaction to his latest video was exactly the same. I was surprised and disappointed. As you say, in the past he's has lots of good things to say but this is a major deviation which I suspect is not going to work out too good for him.
harussell 1 month ago
@harussell I am still ambivalent. I didn't like the commercial intrusion and I do think people should buy their own damned camera. But I also respect the opinions of many fine people that feel ok with being asked to donate when they consider it as funding something really important.
I don't know. As soon as money comes up, dust gets kicked up every time.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist In the rational/skeptic community we are inclined to suspect that people soliciting donations are up to no good although I'm sure TTP is being sincere in this situation. Nevertheless you can't logically expect people who are in the habit of debunking fraudulent claims to enjoy seeing this from one of their own. But VooDoo is probably right and we should just be quiet and let the subscribers decide for themselves with their donations or lack thereof.
harussell 1 month ago
Well I can honestly say I have never been subscribed to thetruepooka, but I can say I am now subbed to you, good sir.
tremedar 1 month ago
@tremedar As for the ebegging...if his camera and its stand got wrecked by police, he should have thought of that/expected that if he was going to an OWS protest or anything bringing people in conflict with police. If he wasn't prepared to lose everything he brought with him to such an event he should never have gone.
tremedar 1 month ago
@tremedar Thank you.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
I wonder about TruePooka's reaction!
It look as if he got caught red-handed!
malsifood 1 month ago
He went through all that trouble? seems pretty obvious that he knew all along that you were subbed to him. But its not about that, its about saving face on his own channel. Pretty disgraceful how against freedom of speech he is. Still, he makes pretty good videos...
rahulpower 1 month ago
@rahulpower Yes he does.
He overreacted and called me a liar. But I probably should not have called it e begging. I figure we are even.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist but he was ebegging. and he shouldnt advocate censorship, he of all pple should know better
rahulpower 1 month ago
I hate it when people ebeg. It makes me not want to watch their videos anymore.
protopod 1 month ago
interesting topic,... ill shoot you a vid response.
V00D00SIXXX 1 month ago
ebegging is something I do have a problem with. Completely agree with you.
markvergeer 1 month ago
I must admit I have been a long time sub of his but this a surprise. I am still friends with Pooka but still friends with you as well. Been ages since I have seen you though. <3
kelliko70 1 month ago
@kelliko70 And please, still be friends with him. He has many good things to say.
Thanks. <3
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
after the pookas ebegging video I am still waiting for the punch line. lol. hey CA. If you buy me a new guitar I will play a song for you. lolol.
Slapnuts6931 1 month ago
@Slapnuts6931 Now THAT might almost be worth it. Lol.
How the hell are ya Slap??
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@CanadienAtheist I can tell you're an honest guy, but your point of view is out of whack, True Pooka is not your friend, and you are not in a coffee shop. He is an entertainer/content provider. I don't see anything wrong with an entertainer given people who enjoy his brand of entertainment a means to support him so that he can keep entertaining them without having to get a job that he hates, that takes up his time. If you have an issue with this argument Id be more then happy to consider it.
Brettkenster 1 month ago
@Brettkenster No actual problem with that argument. I resented the commercial motive being intruded into what I see mostly as a hobby. But I did fail to consider this argument and connotations of "e begging". It carries a lot of emotional weight and perhaps I should not have called it that.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago
@tattooskin not a very nice guy if he accuses somebody of lying when they haven't.
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns
Not that I know if its the situation in this case but...
not everyone's memory is perfect and its quite likely that he didnt remember you from your username... however, blocking someone for critiquing something indicates very childish behavior or attempt to silence undesirable info that could spoil intended goal (f.ex. getting as much money as possible).
futureorreligion 1 month ago
@futureorreligion Its not me he accused of being a liar its CanadianAtheist the person who made this video. :-)
VindicatorReturns 1 month ago
@VindicatorReturns
I know.
Moments after I clicked Post, I realized that im not addressing it directly to CanadienAtheist and should have worded it properly... unfortunately youtube doesnt offer edit option.
futureorreligion 1 month ago
@futureorreligion I think Pooka knows as well as anyone that youtube stats don't get updated that quickly. My user name would be irrelevant as would be his memory of it. He did not and could not have checked it that fast. Pooka over-reacted.
CanadienAtheist 1 month ago