CTR DOES NOT REPRESENT THE JWS! WE DO NOT FOLLOW CTR TEACHINGS! YOU EVEN SID IT YOUSELF-"A HOLY GOD LIKE YAHWEH, WHO HATES PAGAN PRACTICES...". THE CROSS IS PAGAN AND SATANIC YET IT IS IN YOUR RELIGION.
@VidaPortuguesa u failed to answer my question. i asked u if a serpant is a pagan and satanic symbol? so i`ll answer it for u. yes it is. infact it is the very symbol of satan himself. so here is another question for u y did God use it to HEAL the isrealites of the snake bite?
u`ll find the answer in the CROSS of Jesus for they both represent the same thing and by both HEALING is aquired.
@VidaPortuguesa IF U HAVE NOT FIGURED IT OUT YET (I KNOW THE WTS BANS FREE THOUGHT AND FREE WILL WHICH GOD GAVE TO US ALL SO I DON`T HOLD UR INABILITY TO REASON LOGICALLY AGAINST U) THE SNAKE REPRESENTS SIN.JESUS TOOK APON HIMSELF THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
GO POURED OUT HIS WRATH ON THE PAGAN SIN REPRESENTED BY THE CROSS AND THE SNAKE.JN 3:14 TELLS US JUST AS THE ISREALITES LIVED COS THEY LOOKED APON THE BRAZEN SERPANT SO TO WE WILL LIVE IF WE LOOK APON THE CROSS OF THE CRUSIFIED CHRIST!
@arnie365 LEAVE THE SNAKE OUT OF THIS. THE SNAKE AND CROSS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THATS LIKE TRYING TO PROVE THE EARTH REVOLVES AROUND THE SUN BY USING THE THEORY OF CONTINENTAL DRIFT.(Oh and by the way, the earth is older then 6,000 years). THE CROSS IS SATANIC. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW ME WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS JESUS PURIFIED THE CROSS, OR HE MADE IT CLEAN? IS THERE A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THE CROSS HEALS YOU? NO!!!
@VidaPortuguesa " LEAVE THE SNAKE OUT OF THIS. THE SNAKE AND CROSS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS"
MAYBE ACCORDING TO UR FALIBLE OPINION BT NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE AND TO JESUS. JN 3: 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
"THE CROSS IS SATANIC."
THE SNAKE IS A SYMBOL OF SATAN HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!! U CAN`T GET MORE SATANIC THAN THAT , SO TELL ME Y DID GOD USE THAT SATANIC SYMBOL TO SAVE THE ISREALITES???
@arnie365 That is just anilitical thinking-It doesnt match up 1st of all. Also, of course God saved the israelite with the snake. We know the snake was made good by God because he instructed the use of the snake. But you still didnt answer me- What scripture says that Jesus made the cross holy when he died on it? What scripture tells us to use the cross (or torture stake to me) in our worship? NONE
@VidaPortuguesa "But you still didnt answer me- What scripture says that Jesus made the cross holy when he died on it? What scripture tells us to use the cross (or torture stake to me) in our worship? NONE"
1 cor 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
jn 3:14!!! by ur own words the snake was "made good" there4 the cross was"made good" cos the SNAKE is a FORESHADOWING of the CRUCIFICTION!!!!!!!!!!!
@VidaPortuguesa THE PAGAN WTS HAS THE PYRAMIDS AND THE SUN GOD IE THE WINGED SUNDISC CHRISTIANS HAVE THE SYMBOL THAT YHWH GAVE TO MOSES ,THE CROSS.
JN 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[
@VidaPortuguesa do u know that almost EVERTHING u believe today as a jw was RECIEVED by SPIRITS and not by the Holy Spirit. yes , not celebrating bdays and christmas and going door to door and the stake teachings were INSPIRED NOT by the Holy Spirit bt by UNHOLY SPIRITS. cos j rutherford taught that the holy spirit left the wts in 1918 cos there was no longer need for him and he said that the f&ds recieved their info from "minertering spirits". CAN U SAY DIVINATION?
@VidaPortuguesa SO THE TEACHING OF THE STAKE WAS DERIVED THRU DIVINATION FROM UNHOLY SPIRITS. DOES`NT THE TRUE GOD HATE DIVINATION? THIS EXPLAINS Y 1919 DOES NOT ADD UP IF U CALCULATE 3,5 YRS FROM 1914 AND Y EVERY SINGLE PROPHECY THE WTS EVER MADE HAS BEEN WRONG. THEY R GETTING THEIR INFO FROM DEMONS.
@VidaPortuguesa "WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW ME WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS JESUS PURIFIED THE CROSS, OR HE MADE IT CLEAN?"
THE SNAKE IS A SYMBOL OF SATAN HIMSELF! U CAN`T GET MORE SATANIC THAN THAT , SO TELL ME Y DID GOD USE THAT SATANIC SYMBOL TO SAVE THE ISREALITES??? WAS THE SNAKE MADE CLEAN? NO! THE CROSS AND THE SNAKE REPRESENTS WHAT GOD HATES, SIN! LOOKING APON THE SNAKE GAVE THE ISREALITE LIFE FROM THEIR SIN AND SO TOO LOOKING AND BELIEVEING APON THE CROSS OF JESUS GIVES US ETERNAL LIFE!!!
@arnie365 "THE CROSS AND THE SNAKE REPRESENTS WHAT GOD HATES"
You said it youself. God hates the cross. But there is a difference between the cross and snake. They were INSTRUCTED to use the snake. We were not INSTRUCTED TO USE THE STAUROS.
@VidaPortuguesa "You said it youself. God hates the cross. But there is a difference between the cross and snake. They were INSTRUCTED to use the snake. We were not INSTRUCTED TO USE THE STAUROS."
no there is no difference cos they have the SAME meaning and PURPOSE! to SAVE LIVES!
jn 3 :14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]
@VidaPortugue ur problem is u listen to men instead of God. r u so DULL and BLIND that u can`t even c that the snake in the desert was a forshadowing of Jesus` crucifiction? can u not c that just as the isrealite looked apon the symbol of satan himself which represented SIN and LIVED so too if we look apon the CROSS and believe in Him who took apon Himself our SINS becoming a snake on the cross by taking the SINS of the world for us,WE SHALL LIVE.as long as u HATE the TRUTH u`ll never understand
@VidaPortuguesa I`M NOT MAKING THIS UP! THIS HAS BEEN TAUGHT FOR THOUSANDS OF YRS AND ORIGINATED FROM JESUS OF NAZERETH. THE JESUS THE WTS TELLS U TO HATE AND DISPISE.YET HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SAVE U. NOT THE MAN-MADE UNEDUCATED,UNINSPIRED AND ERRONIOUS WTS THAT WAS FOUNDED ON PAGANISM AND HAS CALLED JESUS, SATAN.
@VidaPortuguesa "You are disgusting. WHERE DID WE EVER PUBLISH OR TEACH THOSE LIES. TELL ME. SHOW ME WHERE IN WHICH KINGDOM HALL DO WE TEACH JESUS IS SATAN."
ok! who is the man that sows the mustard seed in lk 13:18 and who`s kingdom is he talking about?Jesus right and YHWH`s right?well the wts in their book called 'Man`s salvation out of world distress at hand' released in the summer of 1975 says SATAN planted the mustard seed and it is SATANS kingdom.so tell me how can thye have the truth
@VidaPortuguesa pls also don`t forget that the one they now call jesus ie abaddon they used to call SATAN!!!!!! so if jesus really is abaddon that would mean that they called Jesus ,satan!!!!!!!
u follow a very deceptive and confused organization. we know that YHWH is a God of TRUTH and NOT of confussion ,there4 the god of the wts is not YHWH bt the father of lies LUCIFER!!!! who come disguised as an angel of light thaqt ia where the wts gets their "new light" from, the light bearing LUCIFER
@VidaPortuguesa "You are disgusting. WHERE DID WE EVER PUBLISH OR TEACH THOSE LIES. TELL ME. SHOW ME WHERE IN WHICH KINGDOM HALL DO WE TEACH JESUS IS SATAN"
tell me how can YHWH be with such a DECEPTIVE and STUPID organization? did u know the jehovah u worship is the same jehovah the freemasons worship. do u know who freemasons worship? here is a clue, neither freemasons nor jw`s call lucifer, satan. they both call the TRUE God ,satan. they also use B.C.E AND C.E INSTEAD OF B.C AND A.D.
@arnie365 "they also use B.C.E AND C.E INSTEAD OF B.C AND A.D."
I assume you dont know what those stand for, because that reallllyy shows your stupidity. BCE stand for before christ era and BC stands for before christ. THE SAME THING! CE stands for chist era (when jesus was alive) and AD stand for Afro-Demini which is "current time" which we are living in now, which we use.
@VidaPortuguesa " and AD stand for Afro-Demini which is "current time" which we are living in now"
MORE IGNORANCE AND U HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL ME STUPID!
BC MEANS BEFORE CHRIST AD MEANS ANNO DOMINI (YEAR OF OUR LORD)NOT AFRO-DEMINI AND THE WTS USES THE PAGAN SECULAR VERSION NOT THE CHRISTIAN VERSION COS THEY R PAGAN
@VidaPortuguesa LOOK I APPOLAGIZE FOR CALLINGT U AN IDIOT BT U GOT MY BLOOD BOILING WHEN OUT OF UR MISINFROMED MIND CALL ME STUPID. THE WTS KEEPS U IGNORANT BY NOT LETTING U STUDY OUTSIDE THE WTS. SO HERE IS A TIP IF U DO`NT WANT TO EMBARASS URSELF IN THE FUTURE. DO UR OWN RESEARCH B4 INSULTING PPL.
@VidaPortuguesa LOOK I APPOLAGIZE FOR CALLING U AN IDIOT BT U GOT MY BLOOD BOILING WHEN OUT OF UR MISINFROMED MIND U CALLED ME STUPID. THE WTS KEEPS U IGNORANT BY NOT LETTING U STUDY OUTSIDE THE WTS. SO HERE IS A TIP IF U DO`NT WANT TO EMBARASS URSELF IN THE FUTURE. DO UR OWN RESEARCH B4 INSULTING PPL.
@VidaPortuguesa that is fully in harmony with the scriptures so u must deciede, will u listen to foolish men that have called Jesus,satan and michael the arch angel the POPE ,OR will u listen to the truth of God in His WORD the scriptures?
if u love the truth u`ll choose God if u hate the truth u will choose the fools of the wts and fulfill 2 thes 2:10,11
Self proclaimation, along putting themselves on pedelstals..good writing abilities, weak minds= good combination to make money off of millions that's why!! Good point Arnie..
The teachings may not be a problem with you since you still believe them, but for JWs those teachings are a problem since the WT later stated that pyramidology is from Satan and not from God, which backfires on JWs.
That presents a real dilemma for JWs who still look at Russell as part of their line of witnesses.
I can see how Russell parallels Hymenaeus with his teaching that the resurrection already occurred in 1878.
"If the pyramid is not mentioned in the Bible, then following its teachings is being led by vain philosophy and false science and not following after Christ.."
"Those who have devoted themselves to the pyramid the mind of such were turned away from Jehovah and his word."
"It is more reasonable to conclude that the great pyramid of gizeh, as well as the other pyramidswere builtunder the direction of Satan the devil."
I believe the pyramid is mentioned in the Bible. Russell never devoted his life to the pyramid (strawman argument.). If the pyramid was the construction of the devil, then the devil had knowledge of the book of Daniel and Revelation long before the those books were written.
A group started in the 1870s by a Hymenaeus-like apostate who taught the 1878 resurrection, Jesus came in 1874, pyramidology, which the WT later called satanic), and Armageddon coming in 1914 could ever be from God but from the father of the lie. JWs expose the past of other religions but hate it when theirs gets exposed. They taught lies before and teach lies today. Jesus warned of false prophets. No group started years ago by Satan can ever be the true religion today.
Thank you, arnie. None of the groups that started in the 1800s were from God. Such as Mormons with their Joseph Smith, Adventists with their Ellen G. White and Bible Students with their Charles Russell.
Russell even said in so many words that his "Studies" books alone would give a person more light than having the Bible alone.
Russell did not believe in an organization such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, and most definitely did not start such an organization. Yes, I believe that the resurrection began in 1878, that Christ returned in 1874, nothing wrong with Biblical pyramidolgy, the time of trouble did begin in 1914.
Charles Taze Russell was not with the JWs. Biblical pyramidology is not a pagan practice. Russell did not believe in astrology. Russell was not a freemason.
...and what make u say that? is it maybethe FACT that russell and rutherford promoted the masonic PYRAMIDOLOGY or maybe the SECRET GRIPS (handshakes) they both knew [freemasons recordnize themselves by the grips].or maybe the FACT that c t russell said HE WAS A FREE AND ACCEPTED MASON and has A MASONIC PYRAMIDE AT HIS TOMB.
Biblical pyramidology has nothing to do with the freemasons organization. The reference above is taken out of context from Russell's "The Temple of God" sermon. It is a fact that Russell directly stated in that same sermon: "have never been a Mason."
it is a fact that russell used "theocratic war strategy" (lying for his god satan)to pull the wool over followers like urself so that he can trick u into following his satanic org.
It is a fact that Russell knew nothing of such a philosophy miscalled "theorcratic war stratgy." Russell's God was the God and Father of our Lord Jesus.
Biblical study of the Great Pyramid is Masonic. Russell was indeed not a member of the Freemasons organization. There is no Masonic pyramid at his grave (there is no tomb).
It appears you have come to the same conclusions about CT Russell and JF Rutherford that all opposers of Jehovah's Witnesses have, that they were FreeMasons. While there is circumstantial evidence regarding Russell in this regard, there is no evidence supporting this conclusion, except his association with Russell who by the time of their meeting was not a "practicing" mason.
The nascent organization Russell began resembles nothing of the organization today.
@arnie365 Since Russell's works r not "full of astrology," then the statement that Russell's works r full of astrology is simply untrue. Russell's suggestions concerning Alcyone and the Pleades have nothing to do with demonic astrology.
The International Bible Students Souvenir Convention Report (1914) says:
The Pleiades, the center of the universe, are located in Taurus, and as though to emphasize the foundation, the original meaning of Alcyone, one of the chief stars of the Pleiades, is "foundation".
how significant that thewhole universe should throughout the ages swing about that constellation and that star which alone picture so clearly the Ransom! The bullock offered on the brazen altar in the court was indeed the foundation: it represented the sacrifice of the Lord. The bullock in the sky represented the very same thing. (pp. 252-253)
But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is smallwhen compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God. (p. 14)
In the discourse called "The Divine Plan of the Ages with Stellar Correspondencies" by Grant Jolly, a contemporary of Charles Taze Russell, we find the Society trying to foist the pagan zodiac on its followers. In this discourse, under the heading "The Heavens Declare the Glory of God" we find this statement:
"...From this we may suppose that the signs (the constellations) of the Zodiac are approximately as old as the human race and perhaps of Divine origin
Indeed the same Bible which points to the Great Pyramid points also to the Heavens as declaring the wonderful plan of salvation.....In them (that is, the stars) there is written the hope of eternal life, which God that cannot lie promised before the world began." (Titus 1:2) This promise was indeed recorded in the stars before this world began.
In considering the Zodiac, it will be necessary to carefully avoid the many errors that have attached themselves in connection with the various heathen religions."
What double talk! The Society takes a completely pagan concept, embraces it, adopts it, goes so far as to compare Jesus Christ to Pisces, even saying,
"...Pisces shall have completely bruised the serpent's head".
Huh? All opposers (anyone who verbally disagrees with or questions them) of JWs think CT and Rutherford were Masons? I think not but there was definitely a connection with Russell. Or perhaps he just borrowed a lot of ideas from Masonry. Not sure what point u were trying to make but all religions change over time. The JW's more so than most, usually trying to cover up past mistakes. I find it hilarious that a group that changes doctrine so much can call itself "The Truth". But that's a cult 4 u.
Not sure what point u were trying to make but all religions change over time.
it`s not the change as much as the pagan practice of divination ,pyramidology and astrology that conserns me.God constantly rejects and abours those practices so how can the wts b God`s chosen organization? unless...they follow a different God than the one in the bible.
Ill play your silly game ..the first thing that comes to mind then is...Are they still Masons today??...The answer is NO...so who cares what is done in the past....as long as it is changed.....does God keep account like you do,.NO. If the evil man changes his evil ways, than he is accepted by God. Arnie is your church still involved in idolatry and spiritistic practices, are they still mixed in warfare and celebrating pagan rituals? I don't think you should be pointing fingers , 3 back at cha.
THE ANSWER IS YES THEY R.the high ranking jw elders r masons today.and a tree is recognized by it`s roots.
if anton la vay of the church of satan founded the wts bt the elder hid that fact or claimed to have repented it would`nt matter cos it was founded by satan.
y would God support a person who worshipped the devil like c t russell? THAT IS THE RIDDLE!!!
russell never changed,HE DIED A MASON that is y he has a masonic pyramid at his grave.
according to u bt who built it? the wtb&ts this shows not only was russell a freemason bt the wts is masonic and i know 4 a fact that there r freemasons in the wts today
-Arnie is your church still involved in idolatry and spiritistic practices-
no bt urs is,1914 was derived from pagan pyramidology and rutherford said he spoke to "angels"(fallen if u ask me cos all his predictions did not come true.)not the Holy Spirit.
-I don't think you should be pointing fingers , 3 back at cha. -
am i pointing fingers or am i asking y a Holy God like YHWH would choose a organization that does detestible things that He hates?
The year 1914 is derived from the Bible prophecies, not from the pyramid, although the pyramid confirms the date. I don't believe in the JW organization, but Biblical pyramidology is not pagan nor is it one of the things that Yahweh hates.
God was never with the wts cos they r the false prophets Jesus warned us about in matt 24:23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear...
the wts say Jesus is present since 1914 bt matt 24:29 says only AFTER,AFTER,AFTER the tribulation will He COME not be present.
u r following a false prophet society and u don`t even know it.
Russell never claimed to be a prophet, distinctly claimed that he was not a prophet. He also stated that his studies were not infallible, and admitted many times of the possibility of error.
The tribulation, oppression, "of those days" speaks of the tribulation that began in first century and lasted for almost two centuries. That does not speak of the "great tribulation" -- the time of trouble -- at the end of the age.
arnie365: In the same sermon this is quoted out of context from, "The Temple of God," Russell also stated: "I have never been a Mason." The entire sermon is reproduced on my ctr subdomain.
CTR DOES NOT REPRESENT THE JWS! WE DO NOT FOLLOW CTR TEACHINGS! YOU EVEN SID IT YOUSELF-"A HOLY GOD LIKE YAHWEH, WHO HATES PAGAN PRACTICES...". THE CROSS IS PAGAN AND SATANIC YET IT IS IN YOUR RELIGION.
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa u failed to answer my question. i asked u if a serpant is a pagan and satanic symbol? so i`ll answer it for u. yes it is. infact it is the very symbol of satan himself. so here is another question for u y did God use it to HEAL the isrealites of the snake bite?
u`ll find the answer in the CROSS of Jesus for they both represent the same thing and by both HEALING is aquired.
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa IF U HAVE NOT FIGURED IT OUT YET (I KNOW THE WTS BANS FREE THOUGHT AND FREE WILL WHICH GOD GAVE TO US ALL SO I DON`T HOLD UR INABILITY TO REASON LOGICALLY AGAINST U) THE SNAKE REPRESENTS SIN.JESUS TOOK APON HIMSELF THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
GO POURED OUT HIS WRATH ON THE PAGAN SIN REPRESENTED BY THE CROSS AND THE SNAKE.JN 3:14 TELLS US JUST AS THE ISREALITES LIVED COS THEY LOOKED APON THE BRAZEN SERPANT SO TO WE WILL LIVE IF WE LOOK APON THE CROSS OF THE CRUSIFIED CHRIST!
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 LEAVE THE SNAKE OUT OF THIS. THE SNAKE AND CROSS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THATS LIKE TRYING TO PROVE THE EARTH REVOLVES AROUND THE SUN BY USING THE THEORY OF CONTINENTAL DRIFT.(Oh and by the way, the earth is older then 6,000 years). THE CROSS IS SATANIC. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW ME WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS JESUS PURIFIED THE CROSS, OR HE MADE IT CLEAN? IS THERE A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THE CROSS HEALS YOU? NO!!!
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa " LEAVE THE SNAKE OUT OF THIS. THE SNAKE AND CROSS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS"
MAYBE ACCORDING TO UR FALIBLE OPINION BT NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE AND TO JESUS. JN 3: 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
"THE CROSS IS SATANIC."
THE SNAKE IS A SYMBOL OF SATAN HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!! U CAN`T GET MORE SATANIC THAN THAT , SO TELL ME Y DID GOD USE THAT SATANIC SYMBOL TO SAVE THE ISREALITES???
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 That is just anilitical thinking-It doesnt match up 1st of all. Also, of course God saved the israelite with the snake. We know the snake was made good by God because he instructed the use of the snake. But you still didnt answer me- What scripture says that Jesus made the cross holy when he died on it? What scripture tells us to use the cross (or torture stake to me) in our worship? NONE
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa "But you still didnt answer me- What scripture says that Jesus made the cross holy when he died on it? What scripture tells us to use the cross (or torture stake to me) in our worship? NONE"
1 cor 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
jn 3:14!!! by ur own words the snake was "made good" there4 the cross was"made good" cos the SNAKE is a FORESHADOWING of the CRUCIFICTION!!!!!!!!!!!
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa THE PAGAN WTS HAS THE PYRAMIDS AND THE SUN GOD IE THE WINGED SUNDISC CHRISTIANS HAVE THE SYMBOL THAT YHWH GAVE TO MOSES ,THE CROSS.
JN 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa do u know that almost EVERTHING u believe today as a jw was RECIEVED by SPIRITS and not by the Holy Spirit. yes , not celebrating bdays and christmas and going door to door and the stake teachings were INSPIRED NOT by the Holy Spirit bt by UNHOLY SPIRITS. cos j rutherford taught that the holy spirit left the wts in 1918 cos there was no longer need for him and he said that the f&ds recieved their info from "minertering spirits". CAN U SAY DIVINATION?
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa SO THE TEACHING OF THE STAKE WAS DERIVED THRU DIVINATION FROM UNHOLY SPIRITS. DOES`NT THE TRUE GOD HATE DIVINATION? THIS EXPLAINS Y 1919 DOES NOT ADD UP IF U CALCULATE 3,5 YRS FROM 1914 AND Y EVERY SINGLE PROPHECY THE WTS EVER MADE HAS BEEN WRONG. THEY R GETTING THEIR INFO FROM DEMONS.
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa "WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW ME WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS JESUS PURIFIED THE CROSS, OR HE MADE IT CLEAN?"
THE SNAKE IS A SYMBOL OF SATAN HIMSELF! U CAN`T GET MORE SATANIC THAN THAT , SO TELL ME Y DID GOD USE THAT SATANIC SYMBOL TO SAVE THE ISREALITES??? WAS THE SNAKE MADE CLEAN? NO! THE CROSS AND THE SNAKE REPRESENTS WHAT GOD HATES, SIN! LOOKING APON THE SNAKE GAVE THE ISREALITE LIFE FROM THEIR SIN AND SO TOO LOOKING AND BELIEVEING APON THE CROSS OF JESUS GIVES US ETERNAL LIFE!!!
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 "THE CROSS AND THE SNAKE REPRESENTS WHAT GOD HATES"
You said it youself. God hates the cross. But there is a difference between the cross and snake. They were INSTRUCTED to use the snake. We were not INSTRUCTED TO USE THE STAUROS.
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa "You said it youself. God hates the cross. But there is a difference between the cross and snake. They were INSTRUCTED to use the snake. We were not INSTRUCTED TO USE THE STAUROS."
no there is no difference cos they have the SAME meaning and PURPOSE! to SAVE LIVES!
jn 3 :14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 "no there is no difference cos they have the SAME meaning and PURPOSE! to SAVE LIVES!"
jn 3:14 DOES NOT MENTION THE CROSS. IT IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortugue ur problem is u listen to men instead of God. r u so DULL and BLIND that u can`t even c that the snake in the desert was a forshadowing of Jesus` crucifiction? can u not c that just as the isrealite looked apon the symbol of satan himself which represented SIN and LIVED so too if we look apon the CROSS and believe in Him who took apon Himself our SINS becoming a snake on the cross by taking the SINS of the world for us,WE SHALL LIVE.as long as u HATE the TRUTH u`ll never understand
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa I`M NOT MAKING THIS UP! THIS HAS BEEN TAUGHT FOR THOUSANDS OF YRS AND ORIGINATED FROM JESUS OF NAZERETH. THE JESUS THE WTS TELLS U TO HATE AND DISPISE.YET HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SAVE U. NOT THE MAN-MADE UNEDUCATED,UNINSPIRED AND ERRONIOUS WTS THAT WAS FOUNDED ON PAGANISM AND HAS CALLED JESUS, SATAN.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 "THE JESUS THE WTS TELLS U TO HATE AND DISPISE"
You are disgusting. WHERE DID WE EVER PUBLISH OR TEACH THOSE LIES. TELL ME. SHOW ME WHERE IN WHICH KINGDOM HALL DO WE TEACH JESUS IS SATAN.
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa "You are disgusting. WHERE DID WE EVER PUBLISH OR TEACH THOSE LIES. TELL ME. SHOW ME WHERE IN WHICH KINGDOM HALL DO WE TEACH JESUS IS SATAN."
ok! who is the man that sows the mustard seed in lk 13:18 and who`s kingdom is he talking about?Jesus right and YHWH`s right?well the wts in their book called 'Man`s salvation out of world distress at hand' released in the summer of 1975 says SATAN planted the mustard seed and it is SATANS kingdom.so tell me how can thye have the truth
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa pls also don`t forget that the one they now call jesus ie abaddon they used to call SATAN!!!!!! so if jesus really is abaddon that would mean that they called Jesus ,satan!!!!!!!
u follow a very deceptive and confused organization. we know that YHWH is a God of TRUTH and NOT of confussion ,there4 the god of the wts is not YHWH bt the father of lies LUCIFER!!!! who come disguised as an angel of light thaqt ia where the wts gets their "new light" from, the light bearing LUCIFER
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa "You are disgusting. WHERE DID WE EVER PUBLISH OR TEACH THOSE LIES. TELL ME. SHOW ME WHERE IN WHICH KINGDOM HALL DO WE TEACH JESUS IS SATAN"
tell me how can YHWH be with such a DECEPTIVE and STUPID organization? did u know the jehovah u worship is the same jehovah the freemasons worship. do u know who freemasons worship? here is a clue, neither freemasons nor jw`s call lucifer, satan. they both call the TRUE God ,satan. they also use B.C.E AND C.E INSTEAD OF B.C AND A.D.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 "they also use B.C.E AND C.E INSTEAD OF B.C AND A.D."
I assume you dont know what those stand for, because that reallllyy shows your stupidity. BCE stand for before christ era and BC stands for before christ. THE SAME THING! CE stands for chist era (when jesus was alive) and AD stand for Afro-Demini which is "current time" which we are living in now, which we use.
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa "I assume you dont know what those stand for, because that reallllyy shows your stupidity"
MY STUPIDITY HEY? OK ENLIGHTEN ME AND EMBARASS URSELF?
"BCE stand for before christ era "
WHEN U R A FOOL DON`T GO CALLING OTHER PLL STUPID COS U MAKE URSELF LOOK IDIOTIC!!!!!
BCE ,FOOL, MEANS BEFOR COMMON ERA AND IS A SECULAR WAY OF USING ANCIENT DATES.
CE,FOOL, MEANS COMMON ERA
THE WTS USES A SECULAR PAGAN DATING SYSTEM COS THAT IS WHAT THEY R,IDIOT!
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa " and AD stand for Afro-Demini which is "current time" which we are living in now"
MORE IGNORANCE AND U HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL ME STUPID!
BC MEANS BEFORE CHRIST AD MEANS ANNO DOMINI (YEAR OF OUR LORD)NOT AFRO-DEMINI AND THE WTS USES THE PAGAN SECULAR VERSION NOT THE CHRISTIAN VERSION COS THEY R PAGAN
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa " jn 3:14 DOES NOT MENTION THE CROSS. IT IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS"
U CAN C THAT U R A JW,U HAVE NO LOGIC. HOW WAS JESUS LIFTED UP?
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa u still did`nt explain y the PAGAN romans would have used a NON-PAGAN symbol to crucify Jesus with?
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa LOOK I APPOLAGIZE FOR CALLINGT U AN IDIOT BT U GOT MY BLOOD BOILING WHEN OUT OF UR MISINFROMED MIND CALL ME STUPID. THE WTS KEEPS U IGNORANT BY NOT LETTING U STUDY OUTSIDE THE WTS. SO HERE IS A TIP IF U DO`NT WANT TO EMBARASS URSELF IN THE FUTURE. DO UR OWN RESEARCH B4 INSULTING PPL.
AND BY THAT I MEAN OF THE WTS ALSO.
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa LOOK I APPOLAGIZE FOR CALLING U AN IDIOT BT U GOT MY BLOOD BOILING WHEN OUT OF UR MISINFROMED MIND U CALLED ME STUPID. THE WTS KEEPS U IGNORANT BY NOT LETTING U STUDY OUTSIDE THE WTS. SO HERE IS A TIP IF U DO`NT WANT TO EMBARASS URSELF IN THE FUTURE. DO UR OWN RESEARCH B4 INSULTING PPL.
AND BY THAT I MEAN OF THE WTS ALSO.
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa SO NOW THAT I HAVE PROVED THE WTS CALLED JESUS SATAN DO I STILL DISGUST U OR DOES THE PAGAN WTS DISGUST U?
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa that is fully in harmony with the scriptures so u must deciede, will u listen to foolish men that have called Jesus,satan and michael the arch angel the POPE ,OR will u listen to the truth of God in His WORD the scriptures?
if u love the truth u`ll choose God if u hate the truth u will choose the fools of the wts and fulfill 2 thes 2:10,11
arnie365 1 year ago
Self proclaimation, along putting themselves on pedelstals..good writing abilities, weak minds= good combination to make money off of millions that's why!! Good point Arnie..
oliviaswarden 1 year ago
@oliviaswarden hey freind,i`d love to hear ur story if u care to tell me.if u don`t mind pls drop me a PM.
thanx 4 ur comment.
God bless
arnie365 1 year ago
Thanks for trying reslight.
The teachings may not be a problem with you since you still believe them, but for JWs those teachings are a problem since the WT later stated that pyramidology is from Satan and not from God, which backfires on JWs.
That presents a real dilemma for JWs who still look at Russell as part of their line of witnesses.
I can see how Russell parallels Hymenaeus with his teaching that the resurrection already occurred in 1878.
You can believe otherwise.
luisap64 2 years ago
"If the pyramid is not mentioned in the Bible, then following its teachings is being led by vain philosophy and false science and not following after Christ.."
"Those who have devoted themselves to the pyramid the mind of such were turned away from Jehovah and his word."
"It is more reasonable to conclude that the great pyramid of gizeh, as well as the other pyramidswere builtunder the direction of Satan the devil."
Watchtower, 11/15/1928, pp. 341-344
luisap64 2 years ago
I believe the pyramid is mentioned in the Bible. Russell never devoted his life to the pyramid (strawman argument.). If the pyramid was the construction of the devil, then the devil had knowledge of the book of Daniel and Revelation long before the those books were written.
reslight 2 years ago
A group started in the 1870s by a Hymenaeus-like apostate who taught the 1878 resurrection, Jesus came in 1874, pyramidology, which the WT later called satanic), and Armageddon coming in 1914 could ever be from God but from the father of the lie. JWs expose the past of other religions but hate it when theirs gets exposed. They taught lies before and teach lies today. Jesus warned of false prophets. No group started years ago by Satan can ever be the true religion today.
luisap64 2 years ago
well said luisap64, i could`nt have said it better myself.
arnie365 2 years ago
Thank you, arnie. None of the groups that started in the 1800s were from God. Such as Mormons with their Joseph Smith, Adventists with their Ellen G. White and Bible Students with their Charles Russell.
Russell even said in so many words that his "Studies" books alone would give a person more light than having the Bible alone.
luisap64 2 years ago
I discovered this too in my research,God bless u and may Jesus guide u to all truth.amen.
arnie365 2 years ago
Russell did not believe in an organization such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, and most definitely did not start such an organization. Yes, I believe that the resurrection began in 1878, that Christ returned in 1874, nothing wrong with Biblical pyramidolgy, the time of trouble did begin in 1914.
reslight 2 years ago
Charles Taze Russell was not with the JWs. Biblical pyramidology is not a pagan practice. Russell did not believe in astrology. Russell was not a freemason.
reslight 2 years ago
arnie365 did not do his research!!! Charles Taze Russel and Rutherford were not FreeMasons!!! I know you use google... do googling!
Othenz 2 years ago
...and what make u say that? is it maybethe FACT that russell and rutherford promoted the masonic PYRAMIDOLOGY or maybe the SECRET GRIPS (handshakes) they both knew [freemasons recordnize themselves by the grips].or maybe the FACT that c t russell said HE WAS A FREE AND ACCEPTED MASON and has A MASONIC PYRAMIDE AT HIS TOMB.
it looks like u need to do some research bud.
arnie365 2 years ago
Biblical pyramidology has nothing to do with the freemasons organization. The reference above is taken out of context from Russell's "The Temple of God" sermon. It is a fact that Russell directly stated in that same sermon: "have never been a Mason."
reslight 2 years ago
it is a fact that russell used "theocratic war strategy" (lying for his god satan)to pull the wool over followers like urself so that he can trick u into following his satanic org.
arnie365 2 years ago
It is a fact that Russell knew nothing of such a philosophy miscalled "theorcratic war stratgy." Russell's God was the God and Father of our Lord Jesus.
reslight 2 years ago
Biblical study of the Great Pyramid is Masonic. Russell was indeed not a member of the Freemasons organization. There is no Masonic pyramid at his grave (there is no tomb).
ctr reslight net
reslight 2 years ago
can any jw pls explain y a Holy God would suddenly change His view on those pagan pracices which he clearly dispises in the bible.
i thought that God was the same yester ,today and tomorrow.
pls explain cos it does`nt make sense to me.
arnie365 2 years ago
It appears you have come to the same conclusions about CT Russell and JF Rutherford that all opposers of Jehovah's Witnesses have, that they were FreeMasons. While there is circumstantial evidence regarding Russell in this regard, there is no evidence supporting this conclusion, except his association with Russell who by the time of their meeting was not a "practicing" mason.
The nascent organization Russell began resembles nothing of the organization today.
Kind regards,
Robin
TRUTHINTHEBIBLE 2 years ago
...that still does`nt adress the pyramidology,astrology and divination issue.
pls explain y a Holy God like YHWH would choose ppl who practice such detestible things to reprisent His "only true organization"?
the freemasons worship lucifer the devil and they call him JAH-BUL-ON.jehovah-baal-osiris.y would a Holy God support such pagan beliefs?
arnie365 2 years ago
Nothing wrong with Biblical pyramidolgy. Russell did not believe in either astrology or divination.
reslight 2 years ago
u r a deciever cos his magazines r full of astrology.they even believe that jehovah lived on alcyone a planet in the pleadise constallation
arnie365 1 year ago
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reslight 1 year ago
@arnie365 Since Russell's works r not "full of astrology," then the statement that Russell's works r full of astrology is simply untrue. Russell's suggestions concerning Alcyone and the Pleades have nothing to do with demonic astrology.
reslight 1 year ago
ok let`s c.
The International Bible Students Souvenir Convention Report (1914) says:
The Pleiades, the center of the universe, are located in Taurus, and as though to emphasize the foundation, the original meaning of Alcyone, one of the chief stars of the Pleiades, is "foundation".
...cont
arnie365 1 year ago
... from above.
how significant that thewhole universe should throughout the ages swing about that constellation and that star which alone picture so clearly the Ransom! The bullock offered on the brazen altar in the court was indeed the foundation: it represented the sacrifice of the Lord. The bullock in the sky represented the very same thing. (pp. 252-253)
arnie365 1 year ago
what about
The book Reconciliation (1928) says:
But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is smallwhen compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God. (p. 14)
arnie365 1 year ago
In the discourse called "The Divine Plan of the Ages with Stellar Correspondencies" by Grant Jolly, a contemporary of Charles Taze Russell, we find the Society trying to foist the pagan zodiac on its followers. In this discourse, under the heading "The Heavens Declare the Glory of God" we find this statement:
"...From this we may suppose that the signs (the constellations) of the Zodiac are approximately as old as the human race and perhaps of Divine origin
cont...
arnie365 1 year ago
Indeed the same Bible which points to the Great Pyramid points also to the Heavens as declaring the wonderful plan of salvation.....In them (that is, the stars) there is written the hope of eternal life, which God that cannot lie promised before the world began." (Titus 1:2) This promise was indeed recorded in the stars before this world began.
cont...
arnie365 1 year ago
...from above
In considering the Zodiac, it will be necessary to carefully avoid the many errors that have attached themselves in connection with the various heathen religions."
arnie365 1 year ago
What double talk! The Society takes a completely pagan concept, embraces it, adopts it, goes so far as to compare Jesus Christ to Pisces, even saying,
"...Pisces shall have completely bruised the serpent's head".
arnie365 1 year ago
the pyramids r linked to the stars so if they practiced pyramidology they surely practices astrology as well.
arnie365 1 year ago
Huh? All opposers (anyone who verbally disagrees with or questions them) of JWs think CT and Rutherford were Masons? I think not but there was definitely a connection with Russell. Or perhaps he just borrowed a lot of ideas from Masonry. Not sure what point u were trying to make but all religions change over time. The JW's more so than most, usually trying to cover up past mistakes. I find it hilarious that a group that changes doctrine so much can call itself "The Truth". But that's a cult 4 u.
icandynetwork 2 years ago
do u know what`s really funny? they claim to have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE.
accurate means without error and exactly right yet they r ever waiting 4 new light.
arnie365 2 years ago
Not sure what point u were trying to make but all religions change over time.
it`s not the change as much as the pagan practice of divination ,pyramidology and astrology that conserns me.God constantly rejects and abours those practices so how can the wts b God`s chosen organization? unless...they follow a different God than the one in the bible.
arnie365 2 years ago
I agree arnie, I was replying to what "Truthinthebible" was saying not to your video.
icandynetwork 2 years ago
Russell did not begin the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. He was a non-sectarian who did not believe in such an authoritarian organization.
reslight 2 years ago
Ill play your silly game ..the first thing that comes to mind then is...Are they still Masons today??...The answer is NO...so who cares what is done in the past....as long as it is changed.....does God keep account like you do,.NO. If the evil man changes his evil ways, than he is accepted by God. Arnie is your church still involved in idolatry and spiritistic practices, are they still mixed in warfare and celebrating pagan rituals? I don't think you should be pointing fingers , 3 back at cha.
FairNskware 2 years ago
Are they still Masons today??
THE ANSWER IS YES THEY R.the high ranking jw elders r masons today.and a tree is recognized by it`s roots.
if anton la vay of the church of satan founded the wts bt the elder hid that fact or claimed to have repented it would`nt matter cos it was founded by satan.
y would God support a person who worshipped the devil like c t russell? THAT IS THE RIDDLE!!!
russell never changed,HE DIED A MASON that is y he has a masonic pyramid at his grave.
arnie365 2 years ago
Russell's writings attest that he was not freemason. The pyramid that was built several years after he died is not a masonic pyramid.
reslight 2 years ago
according to u bt who built it? the wtb&ts this shows not only was russell a freemason bt the wts is masonic and i know 4 a fact that there r freemasons in the wts today
arnie365 2 years ago
Evidently Rutherford had the pyramid monument built a few years after Russell died. Nothing at all Masonic about that monument, however.
reslight 2 years ago
-Arnie is your church still involved in idolatry and spiritistic practices-
no bt urs is,1914 was derived from pagan pyramidology and rutherford said he spoke to "angels"(fallen if u ask me cos all his predictions did not come true.)not the Holy Spirit.
-I don't think you should be pointing fingers , 3 back at cha. -
am i pointing fingers or am i asking y a Holy God like YHWH would choose a organization that does detestible things that He hates?
arnie365 2 years ago
The year 1914 is derived from the Bible prophecies, not from the pyramid, although the pyramid confirms the date. I don't believe in the JW organization, but Biblical pyramidology is not pagan nor is it one of the things that Yahweh hates.
reslight 2 years ago
God was never with the wts cos they r the false prophets Jesus warned us about in matt 24:23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear...
the wts say Jesus is present since 1914 bt matt 24:29 says only AFTER,AFTER,AFTER the tribulation will He COME not be present.
u r following a false prophet society and u don`t even know it.
arnie365 2 years ago
Russell never claimed to be a prophet, distinctly claimed that he was not a prophet. He also stated that his studies were not infallible, and admitted many times of the possibility of error.
reslight 2 years ago
The tribulation, oppression, "of those days" speaks of the tribulation that began in first century and lasted for almost two centuries. That does not speak of the "great tribulation" -- the time of trouble -- at the end of the age.
reslight 2 years ago
Charles Taze Russell was never a freemason
reslight 2 years ago
he said himself"i am a free and accepted mason!!!
arnie365 2 years ago
This is quoted out of context. In the same sermon, Russell stated: "I have never been a manson." ctr reslight net See "The Temple of God."
reslight 2 years ago
the quote is out of context according to u bt u r a cult member and u r uninspired of God and r VERY fallable so ur website is worth NOTHING!
arnie365 1 year ago
arnie365: In the same sermon this is quoted out of context from, "The Temple of God," Russell also stated: "I have never been a Mason." The entire sermon is reproduced on my ctr subdomain.
reslight 1 year ago