Chung Mu Hyung - Taekwondo Chang Hon Tul - 1st kup

[bricecc]

Ideally, are tkd side and roundhouse kicks thrown from a crane stance first and does the torso lean over or stay fairly upright? Seems like you lean a lot. Do the waist and shoulders twist toward the target or away? Seems like you're twisting away and exposing the back of the body, making recovery slower, and lessening the amount of forward body mass. To me, it could be less choppy and more fluid, which would improve speed. Maybe it's just the style and I'm used to something different.

[TonesterD]

Crane stance is not used in traditional taekwondo. Some kicks in patterns are thrown from "bending ready stance" (goobooryo junbi sogi), and some modern sports stylists like to keep a leg up in the air and jump around. In general it's a bad idea, as your mobility and balance is restricted, limiting speed and power should you actually kick; a clever opponent will easily pressure you into committing to kick at the wrong time.

[bricecc]

I meant the front of the torso. Usually, leaning means somebody is trying to kick too high. Holding the crane stance with knee high and neck and spine aligned vertically improves balance and thus kicking. Knee rises up straight (knee strike), in same motion, whole boby rotates, launching the leg into side or roundhouse. Body stays upright. Opponent can't know whether you're doing front, side, or round. All begin the same. Harder to block and faster. Don't know about sport styles.

[TonesterD]

Can model movement of the kicking hip as rotation around the centre of the hips + any linear forwards movement of that centre. If staying upright, the latter requires the entire torso's inertia be fought, whereas leaning gets 30cm or so by swinging the hips forwards, only having to overcoming the much weaker angular inertia. This makes for stronger, faster kicks. Aligning behind the kick helps in driving the kick out and resisting reaction forces. Should be done even for waist height kicks.

[TonesterD]

Brice: I agree a frontal knee lift preparation to front+side+roundhouse kicks is occasionally optimal, just not so often. It is very much weaker, has less range, and is trivially jammed in the early stages. Once you know how to integrate stronger hip twist in your overall motion, it makes no difference to speed of completion. Learning a more full-bodied kick also trains the body to get more into the upright kick, just as a full reverse punch develops your jab.

[TonesterD]

@bricecc Waist and shoulders always twist towards the target, but it can be the front or back of the waist/shoulders: two very different kicks. See the side kick tutorial I've uploaded for an explanation... it also explains the trade offs in body weight transfer etc.. Of the two kicks it describes, almost all side kicks in these "chang hon" taekwondo patterns specify the "side piercing kick" version, which unfortunately has the worse balance and weight transfer as you've noticed.

[WindRider707]

killer side kicks man, those would kill a man, critics be damned!

[TonesterD]

@WindRider707 Thanks :-)

[Mulanishere]

everybody's a critic.

[TonesterD]

:-). Actually, I'm pleased when someone offers something tangible, and not just anonymous ranks me "1 star". Reminds me of first couple years training when an instructor might offer a correction and you never knew to whom it was directed, so you'd just do a sanity check to see if the feedback had validity for you. Good motivation to explain more too!

[Jazzysingh]

in my opinion, the form is too fast. Also some of the moves I.e. The knifehand guarding blocks are very waek and would not actually block anything. Dont forget the reason we practices these tuls and I have read yours and anothers comments on your side kicks, to me they look like they need some work on, you mention its done that way for power, without sounding rude I think you need to look at each and every move for power coz overall its a weak form. However practice makes perfect. Good luck

[TonesterD]

Thanks for your feedback... interesting points to explore. Truth is I don't consciously think about power in the guarding blocks in that pattern - I probably should - but still it doesn't mean they don't have ample. I'll soon make a video explaining that specific move. For now, I've linked a video response re side kick, and have shot a more general explanation of power mechanics (will upload this week). Your consideration appreciated, feedback always welcome. Regards, Tony

[Kwon85]

the last technique is "chungdan" middle section; not "sangdan" high section; what are these noises ? breathing technique ?

[TonesterD]

True - that last punch is clearly misplaced - many thanks for the correction. The noise is breathing, yes. The microphone's not great, but I am pretty noisy too, having focused for decades on maximising the strength and explosiveness of contraction conveyed from hip to shoulders, which requires a sudden contraction of the stomach muscles during exhalation....

[jiggahippo]

slow down! ur forms are not bad but u go thru them too fast.

[appoliongx]

woh..

[federalist29]

This dude has bad balance and what is with the"chu, chu" every move.

His side kicks are not done right

His head bobs all over the place and he does not control his moves well.

[TonesterD]

Thanks for the feedback. I've watched it again but am having trouble relating to your critique. Perhaps you could suggest specific aspects of say side kick that you disagree with? Or a specific move and how you think the balance, control or "head bob" should have differed? A link to a video you think does better would help a lot, or even a mention of your MA background, so I can put your feedback in context. Regards, Tony

[federalist29]

I apologize for the harshness pf my earlier comment. When you do your side kick at O:34 and 0:13 your body moves of line a lot. try to keep your body in the center line of attack as you kick. and try to keep your body level. as you do the hyung. Also slow down just a little. I am a 1st dan in chang hon under Grandmaster Eung Choon Ahn. He was trained by Gen Choi and sent by Choi to teach soldiers in Vietnam war and later to the civilian market in america.

[TonesterD]

Thanks for the specifics. Re side kick: I prioritise power from hip rotation, so deliberately don't stay on the centre line, but rotate hips and arc the leg towards it. Your email suggested "Revolution of Kicking" (watch v=4j1w--TjqVY) - I believe that technique critically flawed: it rotates the hips and supporting foot _before_ extending the leg, preventing a power relationship between the two. I've been meaning to make a video explaining my side kick - will message you when done....

[anhkhoinguyen]

why would u send tonester the "revolution of kicking" video when its obvious ITF and WTF kicking techniques follow different mechanics..You say you study ITF under Eung choon ahn so you should know this..... lol your supposed teacher uses sine wave yet you complain that the guy in the video is bobbing up and down? sounds fishy to me, liar maybe?

[federalist29]

Dude I have nothing to do with ITF or WTF.

Eung Choon Ahn runs an idependent school.

I practice martial art for function. So I care not for martial arts politics.

From my TKD training I know the basics of forms practice. Head-not-bob is one of the first things and old korean dude will teach you. Sine wave?

Never heard of it. Bobbing head means bad balance. I sent the video because I found parts of it helpful.

[TonesterD]

Well, as promised - albeit after a long time - I've uploaded a video explaining my side kicks (attached as a video response above). Any further feedback/questions welcome. I know you had other issues with my patterns - I hope my mechanics video - which I'll upload this week - will address some of those. Regards, Tony

[RetartedLlama]

Wow! Big Kehalp at the start! Its a little fast though He is black belt! Nice Fluid Kicks! I love this pattern its one of my Favorites! It is still a little bouncy =[