Howard Dean on IRV

[CommunityBuildersSB]

The Instant Run-off system seems to work really well in Ireland, India, and Australia, as well as in some cities, like Milwaukee and San Francisco.

I think the system is a solution to the core problem, which is that voters need more than just two choices in an election.

[concerned00citizen]

Loser. Didn't even get a position in Obama admin. Why? Why doesn't any press or media ask this man the hard questions? Arogant. Big mouth would've gottent the Obama admin in trouble every time he opened his mouth... and he does run it

[MoEnzyme]

If any Democrat deserves blame for the Michigan/Florida fiasco it is Dean since he was most involved in approving the rules at the starting line. I'm not sure whether he, I, or anyone could have predicted these problems in advance, but the buck has to stop somewhere, so I'll pass it to him. Obama had little deciding influence except for being longer-shot candidate who figured out a way to win that game against the Clinton jugernaut. Punishing Obama for that kind of intelligence is senseless.

[MoEnzyme]

To Howard Dean (I'm sure he's really waiting to hear what I have to say ;))

"There are times in the past where people who have not gotten the most votes have won and I think that's wrong"

I don't think its necessarily "wrong" if that's what the parties agreed to from the begining. "There are times in the past where people who have not gotten the most votes have won and as a democracy I know that we can do better than that," is how I would have worded that.

[MoEnzyme]

Incidentally, the DNC was in the tank for Hillary, not Obama, from the begining; she held a large superdelegate lead at the begining. That only changed when she started to choke down and fell far behind in the regular delegate count, which is the game they all agreed to from the begining. If you don't play by the rules which you agreed to, then you are essentially advocating chaos. If you don't like the rules, you change them before the next election, not in the middle of it.

[beethovenqueen]

"There are times in the past where people who have not gotten the most votes have won and I think that's wrong"

O REALLY?? Then how do you explain appointing Barack the nominee when Hillary received more votes? How do you explain not counting some people's votes at all? How do you explain no revote in Florida or Michigan?

DEAN - LIAR, HYPOCRITE, POWER HUNGRY MERCENARY

[MoEnzyme]

beethovenqueen,

It would be fine if that was what everyone agreed to in the first place, but you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Clinton and all the candidates agreed to the rules from the begining, and Obama won by those rules. I think a popular vote with IRV would be fine for a primary, IF that is what was agreed to at the beginning. There is nothing fair about changing the rules in the middle.

[beethovenqueen]

Mo: the dnc rules are not the law of the land. They are subject to change. The idea of "punishing the voters" because of a primary vote being held too early is obscene. The DNC has been in the tank for Obama from the start. Now they have removed Hillary's name from the convention ballot. Obama has been swiftboated and shoved down our throats WHILE THE VOTES OF CITIZENS ARE TRASHED. Bye bye dnc. I'm no longer a dem!!

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[MoEnzyme]

So you think if your candidate isn't winning by the rules she agreed to, everyone should change the rules in the MIDDLE of the game? What of those states who rely on the party rules allowing for caucuses? Should their share of representation be forfeited to those states who chose instead to have a ballot vote? That's the effect of what you're suggesting. The representatives in Florida and Michigan, not the DNC, chose to break the rules agreed to by BOTH their parties for these primaries.

[MoEnzyme]

"I'm no longer a dem!!"

That's just being a sore loser. They wouldn't change the rules for my candidate so f**k them.

The agreed-to DNC/RNC schedule IS the law of the land as far as THEIR party primaries are concerned, just as a corporation's bylaws are the law of the land for that corporation's governance. I hope you get over your grudge and try learn more about how the political system works. Yes you can!

[beethovenqueen]

Mo: "sore loser" is the blabla we angered former dems are always called. Straight from the bama playbook.

DNC = does not care, does not count, and they sure can't count on me! They can swiftboat all the inferior candidates they want to in the future, just not with my support or help!