Bless The Anti-EU Movement

[MsZathras]

Great propaganda - well done.

Many Europeans believed this/wanted to believe this for years. Wanting to believe something doesn't make it true, as Europeans are finding out now.

The EU had many good things. Too bad it was ruined by the greedy Erocrats who live & reign like the European Aristocrats of old - and treat Europeans like their vassals!

BTW: recent figures are 50 THOUSAND Eurocrats to run the EU! Whilst member states tighten belts - the Eurocrats keep on spending money!

[silviubogan1]

:)) It's funny how people are against EU but don't give arguments. All the things done by EU are good. EU is a democratic institution. It is not perfect, but instead of destroying it, why not help it become better? Oh, I forgot :)) You, Mr. Euro-skeptic, don't want this because you are a nationalist, extremist, and possibly against globalization. You think "my nation is the best, the rest should die". Have you forgotten that we should help others? EU = peace, future, freedom, democracy etc.

[Leifthrasir]

God bless The Anti-EU Movment indeed! What a bunch of clowns they are! And why do 90% of them, always sound angry?

[benyagmac]

so you don't see a problem with having laws imposed on us by a unelected government? the governments may have agreed but the people have not agreed to our government handing over their powers to another to then govern us by default. this is an insult to the intellect. have you read John Locke's second treatise on government? The fact that there is a president and a police system is even more terrifying. I wonder if you work for the EU?

[EuropeanUnionRules]

@benyagmac Firstly, i do not work for the EU or any body associated with the EU - directly or indirectly. Secondly, we have a representative democracy where we elect our politicians to run the country on our behalf. By default, we entrust our right to run the country into the hands of our government. The EU is run by the member states and not the other way around. Any power or authority the EU has, comes directly from the member states themselves.

[EuropeanUnionRules]

@EuropeanUnionRules Further, if one does not want the Commission to be appointed but rather elected by the people, then we need to realise that by doing so, we are in effect creating a federal set up. This WILL take power away from the member states, but it will also place the running of the EU directly into the hands of the people. You cant have a democratically elected Commission without creating a federal set up.

[benyagmac]

@EuropeanUnionRules It is just clever wording but it is still unelected officials imposing and usurping authority. Our government have been elected by us yes but have they the right to be governed or agree to hand over power to others, no. the fact that our government agreed to it doesn't make it right. They arent even fair on agreements either such as the taxation on investment silver is different on the continent to VAT imposed on the UK by the EU.

[EuropeanUnionRules]

@benyagmac No its not clever wording. Thats what "representative democracy" is all about. The people elect the government and then let the government run the country till the next election. We, the people, have a say ONLY at the time of the election, or if a referendum is conducted. Of course, whether what they do is right or wrong, is another issue, and is a matter of personal perspective. If you want uniformity in tax laws across Europe, then join the Federalist movement.

[benyagmac]

@EuropeanUnionRules of course it is clever wording plus slight of hand. its like an off shore arbitrary bank account where dirty policies go in and come out clean as a whistle because we still have our government. I don't want uniformity tax laws. why should I be taxed twice ? So a one currency, break down of boarders, the necessity to adopt all EU policies, a parliament, taxation. all these things detrimental to each member state ( no longer called a country) is not centrally controlled?

[benyagmac]

@EuropeanUnionRules And the fact that the VAT regime actually impoverishes the people by taxing actual money (silver) shows me that that this isn't a freedom for the people rather a slave maker, inherent in EU DNA. surely this Tax is not for the protection of property and the wealth of the people in which we are told this is what the EU is and does.

[EuropeanUnionRules]

@benyagmac VAT in the UK is a UK matter. What I find fascinating is that there are anti-EU people bitching and complaining about how undemocratic the EU is ]ie not elected by the people], yet give them the option to make it democratic, and they start saying "oh no, I dont want that". Also the inability to distinguish between national law making and EU law making [and the abilities of each] is also something that is lacking in the understanding by the anti-EU camp. Anyways, am off. Back later.

[benyagmac]

@EuropeanUnionRules VAT is not a UK matter, or is the treasury wrong when they replied to my letter concerning the taxation of silver. it is in the 70s we came under this regime. the treasury openly admit that government is powerless to change any vat law unless the EU say so how is that democracy? If the EU is to benefit the "citizens" why cripple the "member states" by taxing them heavily. Just be honest and say we have been tricked into becoming a United states of Europe.

[wjf0ne]

@EuropeanUnionRules The bitching about the EU being undemocratic is a legitimate complaint. Your answer about creating a federation with a central govt. is bogus. You can't offer democracy back on EU terms. The real answer is to disolve the EU and to take the matter to the people, you do remember the people, the poor paymasters of the whole fraud who have had little of no say in the petty commie entity or it's growth into the monster it has become and the fat cats who benefit from it.

[wjf0ne]

@EuropeanUnionRules You say you don 't work for the EU or any body associated with it. So in conclusion, you don't work, as every facet of life in the grand fraud has some of the frauds' tendrils enmeshed into it, from the crooks get out of jail free charter the Human Rights to the insidious working time directive or the corrupt integrationist so called Court of Justice where actual trained judges are few and far between. Get out, smell freedom before the stench from Brussels gets too strong.

[keithdeath1]

Those who wish it abolished might wish to consider the alternatives - it would still be in countries' interests to seek cross-border agreements, but it would be done through the less efficient, and more costly, mechanism of multiple Government department officials and under the auspices of 26 x 27 = 702 different embassies. And you likely wouldn't get a say on it either.

If people haven't been asked, that's the fault of our politicians and our political systems. You can't blame the EU for that.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 Less costly my bum. Have you actually read how much GB contributes, how much we pay our MEP's, how much so much irrelevant legislation impacts financially on our businesses, and for what, so that businessmen make up the shortfall by employing cheap labour from all over the grand fraud while those of us left working have to pay the tax, not only to feed the fraud but keep those British people eased out of the labour market?

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne More money has been attributed to "Government waste" in any given year than we contribute to Brussels. I have seen all sorts of conflicting information on the regulatory burden of EU legislation, and for good reason: much of it is stuff Whitehall would have done anyway, and a lot is subject to "gold-plating" _by Whitehall_ (making the impact of the originally intended directive harder to assess). As for the cost of our MEPs, in the grand scheme of things it's chicken feed.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 'Labour' governemt waste which the current lot have to clean up. How little of a burden would regulation be if they had stuck to a free trade area instead of driving towards a federated level playing field? No EU legislation NO gold plating and they have to do it themselves and face the consequences instead of hiding behind the 'EU made us do it.' The chicken feed you speak of could be far better spent feeding poor people than keeping policicians and bureaucats fat.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne "How little of a burden would regulation be if they had stuck to a free trade area instead of driving towards a federated level playing field?" Probably about the same as now; a lot of the EU-level regulatory legislation amends or replaces legislation we already had, or would have introduced anyway. If people want a Single Market with all its concomitant benefits, though - and despite misgivings about the EU, the suggestion is that they do - that means a common set of rules.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 EFTA deals solely with trade. It will legislate what goes into the tomato sauce you export but that is all. It doesn't have two parliament buildings and all the other buildings for their agencies. It doesn't have or want a police force, judicary, army or any of the trappings of a federation in waiting. So long as the tomato sauce is made and sold right they don't interfere or dictate how long your employees can work to make it. Benifits, I see none.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne EFTA? You kidding? There aren't any states that are "just in EFTA" anymore. Norway and Iceland are in the EEA: they have to accept a bunch of EU regulations without having seats in the Councils or the EP. Given that they're small countries, they wouldn't have much say anyway, so it's not important to them but it is to us. Switzerland is bound by a series of bilateral treaties that amount to quasi-EEA membership in practice. We left EFTA in 1973 because it was inadequate.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 Exactly. Make the return to democracy and continue with EFTA. No ones sensibilities is hurt with draconian legislation and national governments can get on with governing to suit their own people and free trade continues. No EU to mess with Working Time Regulations, No Euro for the strong to bolster, no federal police force exempt from prosicution. Just trade. Oh and the freedom of self determination to follow your own way without QMV dictating otherwise.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne Your comment is a non sequitur. "Exactly"? EFTA a return to democracy? It's less democratic than the EU. What draconian legislation? What federal police force? As for the euro, we're not in it anyway - and in regard of working time regulations, you may want to live in a sweatshop, but I do not. And QMV does not "dictate" anything.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 It's an association, it deals in tomato sauce, not how I live my life. What draconian legislation? Maybe you think the EAW is a good idea I don't, I prefer the good old extradition where a judge decides if you should be rendered into some other powers hands. European Gendarmarie, which may be used anywhere should a statelet call a state of emergency. If I want to work 60 hours in my minimum wage job I should be allowed to, it's none of europes business.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne I'd think again about EFTA then. It can have a marked impact on your life if it passes rules that affect your business. I think the EAW is a good idea in principle, though there are concerns about its use in practice; it's certainly not "draconian". The EGF is an initiative of 5 states; it's not an EU body. And I disagree fundamentally with you on the matter of working hours - the reality is that few people work 60-hour weeks because they want to, but because they have no real choice.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 Eurojust's annual report has found that 256 cases were brought before it for mediation last year, involving European Arrest Warrants (EAW) in which two, or several, member states disagreed over the EAW's scope and proportionality, according to EUobserver. The article quotes a spokesperson for Fair Trials International saying: "Although the European arrest warrant was intended to deliver justice, the current system is in practice resulting in serious injustice".

EUobserver

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 WTD. Not everyone is a high earner and I know many people who work two jobs to get the deposit for the house or buy a new car. When WTD is finalised thay won't be able to do that, and being single they won't be getting any tax credits or benifits to bolster a poor pay. The WTD is solely an attempt to reduce unemployment, why should two work 60 hours and live quite well when three can work 40 and scrape by. Legislate that the boss can't MAKE you work longer than you are supposed to

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 From their site - EGF Organization

Strategic and politic level

EGF (European Gendarmerie Force) will be, first and foremost, at the disposal of the EU (European Union) to carry out police missions in crisis management operations, in accordance with the the principles set up in Santa Maria de Feira and Nice European Council conclusions. When deployed for the EU, the PSC (Political and Security Committee of the EU) assumes the political control and the strategic direction.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne "The chicken feed you speak of could be far better spent feeding poor people than keeping policicians and bureaucats fat." I wonder what makes you think that that argument has anything specifically to do with the EU.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 It's what we are discussion. Other peoples money, easy come easy go. The Euro pe'on is footing the bill so who cares.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne The point I'm making is that any democratic institution comes at a price. The selfsame argument can be used to justify dissolving the Houses of Parliament. But I'm guessing you wouldn't go for that...?

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 Sorry my friend, the price is too high and rising, especially when it was imposed on us without a by your leave and isn't democratic. I wouldn't dissolve the HOC I would dissolve the Scottish parliament and the Welsh and N.Ireland assemblies. Britain should be united and strong, it's Europe which wants small regions, divided and conquered, giving obeyance to the center. With Europe wanting to be a superpower just look at what superpowers have done to the world.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne This is special pleading on behalf of Westminster - which was imposed on Scotland, Wales and Ireland without a by-your-leave and therefore, by your own argument, isn't democratic either. And you want to take [i]away[/i] the democratic assemblies of Scotland, Wales and NI, that they voted for in a referendum? This is simply double standards. You want "democracy", but only [i]your[/i] kind of democracy where it suits [i]you[/i]. You hypocrite.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne And it's also not true to say the EU was imposed on us without a by-your-leave. Our Government signed those treaties; our democratically elected representatives in Westminster voted for them. That, for better or worse, is how British democracy works. If you have a problem with that, then your problem is with British democracy, not the EU.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne As for businesses employing cheap overseas labour, that would likely happen irrespective of our status with regard to the EU - the West has had it good for a long time, but it's going to get increasingly difficult to compete against the BRIC countries, and people had better get used to that. You also omit the fact that this cheap overseas labour would also, of course, be subject to the same taxes as the rest of us who pay tax.

[wjf0ne]

@keithdeath1 LIKELY but not certainly. Freedom of movement has exaserbated the drug and people smuggling problem. How do they fight it? More and more intrusive legislation, ID cards and vehicle tracking. They cause a problem to solve it with big brother legislation. How many immigrants have come to GB and ask how many people are on the dole? They should have obliged and trained the lard arse to do the manual and skilled work rather than bring people in to do it. Work visas.

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne "Freedom of movement has exaserbated" (sic) "the drug and people smuggling problem". Has it? Where's your evidence for this?

[keithdeath1]

@wjf0ne I don't need to try to refute an assertion what you have failed to make an argument.

[enslavetherich]

working in the EU parliament gives a person the privilege to hire one of his family members as advisor, for up to 20.000 euro's a month. lol..

Moving the whole EU circus between Strassbourg to Brussels costs a good 2 billion a year..

Farming subsidies end up in the pockets of corporations while only 5% is actually used for development of the rural area's

Wake me up when we see the European income tax coming to life..

[EuropeanUnionRules]

Spenner56's comments have been deleted due to the fact that I posted a comment on his channel asking him to add videos so I can fairly comment on his as well.

He preaches "freedom of speech" but restricts that in others :)

[EmperorDragosh]

it is a shame that the Europeans.....how were from ancinet times the masters of Civilazation,the founders of colonies around the globe....have reached this DOWNFALL...the EU is nothing more then a destroyer of nations a machine built to americanise the old continent and to abolish soverenity......oh and yes THE UK will ALWAYS,ALWAYS,ALWAYS be a island nations and it will never never NEVER NEVER BE APART of the EU PLAGUE!!!

[Leifthrasir]

@EmperorDragosh Sorry, but the UK is as much a part of the EU as Scotland and Wales are a part of the UK. Mind you, England had to conquer Scotland and Wales to get them to form the UK. While the EU is built on peace, cooperation, common goals and a common heritage. Unlike the UK, nobody got conquered.

[callin2427]

@Leifthrasir OK0 so first part 1. So0 EU member states are asked to give money to EU even if it is not, or cannot be stated where the money is to go to through sign off of books? Is that good? No

No 2 is rediculous because the BBC does not make laws for any country and neither does any central bank which (i should say) are controlled by rothschilds corrupt bankers.

& argument 3 is just more federalist EU evil empire rubbish of federal EU.

Rest is too stupid, no space to waist time on answer

[jh5kl]

@Leifthrasir that comment was right on the spot.

[jh5kl]

@Leifthrasir your comment is very accurate

[FinMilkku]

@EmperorDragosh it already is. sorry to dissapoint you.. :)

[MrCharlesDouglas]

The EU should be destroyed, the brussels palace (sorry, parliament) gutted by fire and its empty shell left as a reminder of its failed, romaticised and silly rosey eyed vision of an unachievable, unwanted and imposed utopian federal political union.

Napoleon failed at this. The Nazi's failed at this. Americanisation of Europe is a disgusting idea. Let the French throw away their sovereignty. The UK is an island nation and should remain as such.

[wjf0ne]

Dear Europeonrules, I can't decide how it ends, as they never asked me to allow it to start. So as you are soooo good at making wee films, how about one asking for a referendum on the whole ill conceived entity. You know what a referendum is, it's the voice of the people which is currently denied by those in power who fear the result.

[EuropeanUnionRules]

wjf0ne - I would love to make a video for you on a referendum.

Only problem is, my channel is on the EU not on any particular country, and referendums are national issues not EU ones.

[martinfin]

"Bless The Anti-EU Movement" ;+)

[EuropeanUnionRules]

Thank you Jus2mello.

The EU, like the member states and other bodies around the world, is not perfect. Everyone must work to making it better. As for abolishing it - over my dead body LOL

giebrius32 - really? How?

[wjf0ne]

@EuropeanUnionRules Over your dead body. Give me your address, I'd happily oblige if it returned democracy to the statelets of Europe. But there again would the fat politicians and bureaucrats give a tinkers curse about your demise, NO, although they may submit a large expenses claim to attend your funeral where the crocodile tears would flow like the champagne in a Brussels restaurant after a sitting in the so called patliament.

[Jus2mello]

Your laws are made by your politicians and european laws are made by european politicians INCLUDING YOURS!!!

The European UNION is not perfect but that means it can be improved not abolished!

[wjf0ne]

Why not abolish it, it wasn't formed out any democratic mandate, so should be stood down until they get one, which would be just after hell freezes over.

[EuropeanUnionRules]

The mandate was given by the member states, which have democratically elected governments. If nations wish to pool their resources, then thats a choice they have. The alternative is that they leave.

[giedriuss32]

Destructivists.