@cadrolls I don't believe that any child should be tortured or killed. I do, however, believe that abortion should be legal and accessible. The fact that you can't differentiate between abortion and child murder is your problem, not mine.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney....the human fetus has no right to life AND it's not even a person to have due process rights under 14th amendment.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney....the human fetus has no right to life AND it's not even a person to have due process rights under 14th amendment.
maybe you should stop worrying about the things are you are powerless to stop or prevent like ppl's fucking and would-be abortions.
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@cadrolls There's such a thing as an atopic pregnancy. In some cases it's because the fetus developed in the fallopian tube of its mother. If the pregnancy isn't terminated, it could kill the mother. Only in cases such as these is 'partial-birth abortion' legal. In any case, the fetus is not allowed to be killed if it is capable of surviving outside of the womb.
Why are these idiot Fundie conservatives accusing people on the left of wanting Sharia Law in the United States? This seems to be the latest non-issue the wingnuts are against that has nothing to do with reality. I get comments on Youtube from wingnuts all day long accusing me of embracing Islam, regardless of how much I attack it.
the problem is there's so many people who aren't even pro-choice, they're pro-abortion. They don't support the tax-payer's choice. I can't tolerate this kind of extremism and lack of respect. This people are uncompromising by nature. They have no regard or respect for their fellow citizens' feelings. They can't be met half way. They just have to be totally DEFEATED politically. That's the only option they've left open for us.
Over 1 MILLION unborn babies are sent to the cities' dumps each and every year here in the United States of America. They are buried among all of the everyday trash that we Americans also cast away. They have no gravemarker or headstone. They don't even have a name. They are there with the humiliating knowledge that their own Mother hired someone to torture them to death and throw them to where they are now:
STOP THE VIOLENCE. If you are an uneducated and feel like a fetus is a human being and want to OUTLAW abortion; fine! This country allows that; go to the polls, call your congressperson or senator etc.
@y2zgt The majority of Americans are against abortion. 90% of ALL highschool students want it illegalized. The Government is not listening. We must get rid of the baby murderers even if we have to take their lives. The baby has a right to expect that much from a civilized society.
KILL the abortion Doctors and the babies will be safe.
SO let me see...where's the "OUT-RAAGE" over the murder of Pro-Lifer Jim Pouillon in Owosso, Michigan, last year? Or for that matter, the murder of Pro-Life advocates in Kenya, recently? Apparently while there were no Conservatives holding vigil for Tiller (or condemning his murder) it seems no Liberals stepped up for these acts either. Something wrong with this picture, with noone understanding that 2 wrongs don't make a right?
@Shawnster65 Someone who promotes slavery doe snot deserve the attention, when murdered, that someone who promotes freedom does. Pro-'life'rs promote forced birth, are completley anti-women(all the mention of whore, slut,selfish, ect) rarely ever support birth-control or sex education, deny the consequences of forced birth and forced parenthood, and a few of them even go so far as to say children CHOOSE to be abused.. fuck pro-lifers- they are hypocrites and slavers.
@ryddelwearsahat I support sex education, the ACLU and liberals DON'T.
Any time a teacher says that condoms and abstinence prevent pregnancy, the liberals use "church and state" rhetoric to cancel it, because it's the church's view also. Whose fault is that?
Hypocrisy? Like the old hippie women with their rose tinted glasses, who grandstand about innocent children dying in Iraq (all the while they see killing THEIR own children inside of them as OK based on bodily rights?) Hmm..
@Shawnster65 I do not support abstinence-only education.. but I do support condoms, birth control, ect- I could care less who says condoms are good- just as long as they speak facts, and not try to water down education with an overbearing of abstinence-only- which my high school taught, and we had like, 16, 17 pregnancies in one years. A fetus is not a child- it is not even COMSCIOUS until about 5,6 months, WELL after 90% of abortions are performed..
@ryddelwearsahat But always remember that you and I were once fetuses too, and that with a rash decision and a twist of an instrument, you and I wouldn't be here.
There's a reason they call it a Trimester-3 3 month time slots. And killing a baby in the last Trimester when it IS conscious, and can feel the pain, is murder.
Rape, or potentially life thretatening birth defects, or a danger to the life of the mother= YES. To escape the night before? NO. They have measures for that.
@Shawnster65 I know that- and don't care. If my mother had aborted me, then to be honest, I'd be glad- I would not have been beaten for 17 years, or known that my crippled mom was FORCED to carry me, and FORCED to raise me by a pro-'life' man who is not in prison for attempted murder- on me, lol. I would not have liced the life I lived, or learned the things I learned- I would not have felt or remembered a thing, and that would be just fine w/ me.. Fetus<Woman.
@ryddelwearsahat Well, I don't know that that was your history, but if it was, all I can say is that I AM sorry that you had that kind of life. MIne hasn't been a bowl of cherries either, but I guess it wouldn't matter to anyone because I'm "just another Pro-Lifer" or "just anothe rRight Wing idiot" when people don't even know the FULL scope of my views. Well, if you wanna talk about it, drop me a line. I'm not that biased that you can't talk to me. Peace.
@Shawnster65 I don't care about ANYBODY'S views- what i care about is whether or not they try to impose theor views on other people and things and situations they know NOTHING about.. If I was proposing slavery and had people supporting and even rallying for it, you'd complain not b/c you disagree personally with my ideals, but b/c you'd have a problem w/ my ideals taking over OTHER people's lives and choices..
@ryddelwearsahat Oh please DO rant about your rights being imposed on.
For 8 years under Dubya, neophyte morons bad mouthed and weakened the nation to have their way, (citing THEIR rights were taken away) but now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's OK for YOU to do it right?
Stifling the views of your opponents, asking the government to modify human behavior in the name of "progression" and trying to perfect us thru bans and legislation, ect.
@Shawnster65 What rights am I trying to take away from you by being pro-choice? Or by supporting gay marraige, or by trying to ensure that the church does NOT control the entire country, which INCLUDES the non-religious citizens? Am I in fact trying to FORCE you to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or stop believing in god or anything like that? Or am I just trying to make sure that me, YOU, and everyone else can believe what they want and live how they want?
@Shawnster65 Yeah, and I'm not trying to dismantle the bill of rights, so why go off on me? Who is the one here supporting FORCED childbirth, me or you?
Who is the one who shot and killed a doctor for the sake of developing meat? A so-called pro'life'r, or a pro-choicer?
@ryddelwearsahat I didn't say you were trying to take away the B.O.R. Not you personally. And as fas as abortion, I DID say earlier that birth defects, rape, and possible life threat to the mother are GOOD uses of the act.
However, just to escape the night before? No. Why not give the lads and lasses up for adoption, and give someone else some joy? As far as Tiller goes, I don't hear anyone crying for Jim Pouillon who was murdered by a Pro-Choicer last year. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Personally, I'm against killing abortionists, but the abortionists don't want us to impose OUR morals on everyone else. Let's not surrender to hypocrites. Let's check the half-time score . . .
how is someone called a terrorist for defending the unborn lives which we adults choose to create??? tiller is a baby killer, i agreed with roeders actions!!!
No your dead wrong on this. he's a home grown asshole who parents should of been hung when this waste of skin came out of that sac of shit he calls mama!
By Roe vs Wade and federal law after six months an unborn baby is legally a human being with human rights which makes Tiller no different than somebody who went around a maternity ward bashing baby brains in and the hero who shot him to save human lives no different than somebody who shoots somebody in a KKK lynch mob that doesn't respect the legal right to life of African Americans, If anybody should be on trial its the crooked damn cops who should have locked up Tiller for mass murder.
I would say terrorism is a geurilla tactic used by groups who do not have very much power, but use fear tactics to scare a population into conforming certain viewpoints. for example, al quaida could never take over this country, because they are a weak militia, but by hijacking planes and making the public afraid of them, the give off a heightened sense of their real power. This guy just committed murder.
@enomarekim Tiller was the murderer by Roe vs Wade and federal law, not the hero who saved American lives by killing
their would be murderer before he could kill again. Its the crooked cops and judges who should be on trial for letting Tiller commit murder like a KKK lynch mob or mafia gang bribing the law to look the other way. I spent 20 years in the US Army as a professional killer. I have no criminal record. I know when killing a man's legal
Looks like Fox news is being run by Goebbel, news network or propaganda network ? and Bill o Reily is a Harvard graduate ? wow American education system is really great.
Tiller being killed was wrong yes. Just because one crazy went and killed him doesn't make the militia movement bad. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the militia movement and the only reason it is disliked by the government is because they fear them. The militia is essential to keeping America safe not from enemies foreign but our own domestic enemies. It is simply another balance. The militia seeks to defend the constitution. How is that terrorism?
Roeder is a terrorist, Ayers is a terrorist. What are you trying to say? That the right are hypocrites for not jumping down Roeder's throat much like they did Ayers? Whether someone on the right or left is militant says nothing at all of either group, only that men have the capacity to commit atrocities for what they strongly believe in. Your implication is a rather shallow interpretation of the real problem: control through fear by evil men. This is a non-partisan issue.
This man who Killed Tiller is a hero. I wish I had the balls to kill every liberal I hated. One of the things that sickened me about Tiller is that he attended a church. You think you spend the week murdering innocent children then go to church on sunday and ask god for forgiveness and think your salvation isn't in jeopardy? You're in hell rotting Tiller and I'm glad I just wish you had a slower more painful way of going.
Tiller performed abortions on fetuses, he wasn't really a "baby-killer". There's a difference between a fetus and a baby. Not that you would understand that.
The real "baby-killers" are the U.S. Marines. But you'll never hear O'Reilly say anything negative about them. Because it's ok to kill people after they've been born. It's only fetuses that republicans care about, because they hope that the fetus will grow up to vote for republicans.
How dear you say that about the men and women fighting for your right to spew your hateful bullshit. Our troops have fought and killed terrorists not purposely killed innocent children.
Oh and for the record Tiller didn't just preform your usual abortion. He preformed late term abortions like when the woman's water had already been broke.
A fetus is not a person. If you're a christian that's what you believe. Don't believe me? Well let's get our bibles out, turn to Genesis 2:7-"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."
So your not a living being until you have taken a breath. Human beings breathe air, not amniotic fluid.
Check and mate.
P.S. thank GOD for IED's, Marines are the REAL BABY MURDERERS.
The Catholic church is totally against it except the fake north eastern ones. And even most scientists will agree that life begins at conception so it is murder.
People like you are the cancer of America please leave along with all your favorite left wing hating groups. Maybe go to Cuba or North Korea. They're just as tolerant as you people are when it comes to other beliefs.
yes, Scientists do agree that it is alive, but they do not agree that it is a conscious being, or that it is murder
Also, what you see on fox news, or from anything inside America, actually, is extremely bias in US favor. The troops aren't all as good as you think, especially our paramilitary forces.
@ajpmathwiz Genesis 2:7 And the lord god formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
It seems that the bible says man has no soul until god breathes life into our nostrils.
Mind explaining then how a person with no soul can rejoice? This was no ordinary reaction to stimulus, that an animal might have, but a spiritual reaction.
Do you realize that the even the christian church did not consider abortion murder until the 17th century, St Augustine wrote in the year 354 CE that a human soul cannot live in an unformed body. Thus, early in pregnancy, an abortion is not murder because no soul is destroyed.
If the bible was clear that abortion was murder why would St Augustine write this?
The Holy Ghost/Spirit is not a soul. There are many Christian sects that believe the Holy Ghost/Spirit is in everything including inanimate objects like cheetos and pancakes. Don't you ever watch the news? Genesis 1:2 And the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters.
That's not the same as indwelling, the way a prophet's soul and spirit are indwelled by the Holy Spirit. And how, I ask, did Elizabeth know that Mary was carrying the Messiah, when Gabriel's message to her and Zachariah was exclusively about John the Baptist?
"And how, I ask, did Elizabeth know that Mary was carrying the Messiah, when Gabriel's message to her and Zachariah was exclusively about John the Baptist?"
What does that have to do with a fetus having a soul or not?
oriely shoud be very proud of himself if his words played a role in getting tiller the baby killer shot.; I wish I could say that I played a part in the shooting of tiller.
i don't really like oriely , he's arrogant but he should embrace it if his show " the factor" helped get tiller the baby killer shot like rabid dog.
pro aborts are bottomfeeders, it's good to terrorize them.
way to go bill oriely!!! haha
hahahaha , cry me a river so I can catch a fish pro abort scum.
i guess we can call pro-life: fake,patriotic-tyrannical-fascists because that's what they are and preach about.
giving embryos rights when they didn't have none, yet, taking the civil and moral rights away from grown pregnant female american citizens to decide what best for their own bodies, forcing them to stay pregnant against their will and force them to become 2nd class american citizens to the embryos inside them.
since the woman have the embryo inside her, let her decide, fascist!
@FREEAMERICANOW69 that embryo is worth more than u dumbass, and unless the women was raped she shouldn't have an abortion. unless she was raped it was her decision, she has to pay the consequences. She can't just have sex then tell herself " if i get pregnant ts ok, cuz then i'll just kill the baby"
well, that called an opinion because under the law, I AM MORE VALUABLE THAN YOUR LIL'ZYGOTES.
"and unless the women was raped she shouldn't have an abortion"
that's called being inconsistent, you hate abortion because all unborn are valuable unless they're the product of rape...then it's ok, to FORCE a woman AGAINST HER WILL, CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO KEEP AN UNWANTED PREGANCY = SLAVERY AKA RAPE.
abortion is taking responsibility; babies are born.
@FREEAMERICANOW69 Right you do know everyone used to be an embryo and a lot of parents probably didn't want kids so by your opinion your saying if your mother wanted to kill you as a baby you'd be fine with it?
my opinion is fact based on constitutional law, bitch.
pro-life fascists want to take away a woman's will, civil and constitutional rights to her body given to her BIRTH, force her to keep an unwanted fetus live (that before never had a right to life because it had no due process rights) using her body against her will and rights for it's own survival.
Bc nobody I know thinks a dead baby should remain inside a mother. least of all me, because I have had to have a unviable pregnancy removed in 1993. (the embryo was dead but not expelling itserlf)
@sarahPluvsabortions You are correct. It is actually against the law to abort a healthy 3rd term baby. Late term abortions can only be done after a second opinion that concludes the Mother will die, or the baby will die, or the baby is malformed. This is the kinda of thing that no expecting Mother ever wants to go through. The Pro-Lifers are just full of vile and hate for anyone who does not think or act like them. Which is understandable, because most are nit wit religious fanatics.
If it's "oppression of women" to be against abortion, how do you explain the fact that approximately 50% of women are against abortion? Are you really arguing that half of all women are "oppressive to women?"
Men cannot vote on abortion laws because abortion only effects women? Are you joking?
Are women prevented from voting on laws providing funding for prostate cancer research? Are men prevented from voting on laws providing funding for breast cancer research?
those pro-life women are stupid and believe women are evil and doomed humanity because of eve..and the saying holds true: women are more likely to hate other women for no fucking reason.
hint: a woman will attack the other woman ignore the man who actually cheated on her and forgive him.
there are actually pro-life women who believe another woman should be forced to staying pregnant against her will because of the embryo, when they have no legal authority to force their beliefs on anyone.
"The point is more have died in the name of the Catholic Religion" than Muslim?
Is that your contention? If so, you might want to check with the Hindus of India. Muslims killed 80 million of them from 1000 to 1500 for religious reasons.
In the last 100 years, how many people have been killed in the name of Christ?
Now number those killed in the name of Mohammed in the last 100 years.
nice, owenowen. "look over your shoulder, late term doc's." lets just encourage unlawful murder. Now i know what youre thinking, "abortion is murder too!" well, u can call it that, but it's still legal. call it what you want, its still legal. Don't make fear-instigating comments about people who are ready to kill abortion doctors. Stop defending Roeder. He's a terrorist. What he did to Tiller in national spotlight was the textbook definition of terrorism. And in a christian church, too.
Thank you for completely reiterating my point, Purrfectly cute. Murder is unlawful. Abortion isnt, and it never will be. Do you know why? Of course you don't. Because there was a little court case in 1973 called Roe vs. Wade, in which it was decided that making abortion illegal would be a violation of the 14th ammendment, and therefore unconstitutional.
If you abide by United States law, you'll shut the fuck up and abide by this. Because that's exactly what it is. A LAW. Since 1973
Another dumbass post, I know what the hell Roe Vs Wade is. I KNOW it's legal. I AM pro-choice. But the fact is, something being legal doesn;t justify it, nor does it mean nobody can oppose it. Liberals oppose legal gun rights A:LL THE TIME.
I never said opposing it was illegal. I said opposing it was unconstitutional, because by doing so, one would be supporting a violation of the 14th ammendment. Just like opposing gun rights violates the 2nd. And no, it's not wrong. But it's unconstitutional. Which is something that typically tends to bother the traditional "patriotic" republican who likes to stand against this right. And no, you may not be one of them, but it is a big plank on the platform of people who tend to side with u
If Scott is called a terrorist then what does that make Tiller? Scott didn't do the right thing but Scott only killed one person, Tiller killed over 60,000 BABIES oooppppps I said the word BABIES! Because that's exactly what they were......I'm sure us women aren't growing dogs and cats in our wombs and all of a sudden they become human when they are born......so yes they are human BABIES. Tiller is by far more of a terrorist then Scott.
Because Tiller used direct fear to preform abortions on willing women who have just heard the news that they will die during childbirth. What a horrible human being for only preforming abortions in medical emergencies.
Roeder wasn't a terrorist. He never used terror to intimidate people, besides each person who will be effected by his terrorism.
it's one issue if you abort a fetus that is very small, but aborting fetuses that have grown to 7 months. beings with functioning brains and nervous systems and all that stuff. i mean, oh my god, we're talking about a being that even pro-choicers agree has consciousness and can feel pain! i have held and played with a child born a couple of months premature, seen her respond differently to me than to her mother and seen her cry when frightened. we're not talking about a small mass of cells.
And so what if FOX has the highest numbers? It's like reality TV where crap reigns. Some people watch it for the drama and sensationalism rather than for the news.
Have you ever watch their "balanced" interviews? They bring a guest from an opposing viewpoint and they shout over them. It's no better than Jerry Springer.
They are so over the top that it's far more entertaining than actual journalism. FOX NEWS is nothing more than tabloid TV. Unfortunately, people love crap.
You have a point. Olbermann doesn't bother to debate the important issues of the day. There is only one side of the news to report, the hard left side. Keith simply has the same 5 to 6 "yes men" nobodies on his show who always answer his leading questions with - "Yes, Keith you're right..." Now that's news and information!
Let's see here, you compare the Nazis with FOX News and then when I make a valid comparison with Hiter and Obama on speach giving and mesmorizing of followers you mention that Obama is black. Damn your dumb.
I am libertarian, and I DESPISE authoritarianism on both sides. Unfortunately for the left, they seem to pose the most threat to freedoms in this country. The ONLY right they want unfettered is abortion. The rest of our rights can rot for all they care.
Wow. You seriously think the left only cares about abortion rights unrestricted? What about gay rights? Civil rights? Womens' rights? Animal rights? And so on. Seriously are you this dense?
Maybe because I was the one driving, dumbfuck. Something called a license plate can be used to get ur address. Think, then type. You have anger issues, seek help.
Um where and when did I tell you my life story? You called me a conservative troll and I pointed out all my views aren't conservative. My comment about not having fear still stands. Are women who get abortions being killed? Noooooo. Are members of pro choice groups being killed? Nooooo. You said prochoice supporters. That covers anyone from a doctor to a member of planned parenthood. That's not nitpicking that's fact.
Maybe this is over your head but the primary targets of these ppl are the docs and clinic employees. Not women or all who support choice. Second I don't give a shit what you really believe. A conservativr troll, what's that? Someone that doesn't kiss liberal ass? Yes biotch, I am prochoice, and pro gun, anti drug war and I work as an escort in atlanta! That's some "conservative" troll, huh? Try again sweetie.
See, you even said PRIMARY target. That implies there are secondary targets. I never said that the women were the primary targets. I said that the targets were pro-choice. The doctors are obviously pro-choice. So how was my statement in any way false?
And once again you completely miss the point. No matter how you want to nitpick, my point about terrorism still stands.
And I really don't give a shit about your life story.
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you libe forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so that he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a snake to eat fruit from a magical tree -- yeah, that makes perfect sense....
No THEY'RE fucking idiots. Every other legitamite news organization held off on the story, knowing it didnt smell right. FOX news however reported on it FOURTEEN FUCKING TIMES with a ONE time TWO minute recant the next day. They were supposed to use decent judgement but then again it IS racist, homophobe FOX news.
So what? You just said they recanted the story when they found it to be false.
Did the liberal media use "judgement" when it aired the FALSE story of that black woman that LIED about being raped by white cops? No...in fact, they kept airing the story AFTER it was proven to false. Save the spew, okay. The left isn;t any paragon of virtue.
Just like your fake story, everybody who heard it knew it was total crap. Except racist homophobe Sean Hannity that is. He reported every 15 mins about that story with a BIG gleam in his eye. FINALLY he thought Skippy McFossil & his inept breedcow extremist bible thumping breedcow day nurse had a shot.
Yeh, well... Everyone knows that Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Dick Chenney, et al, are the evil spawn of Satin. That's why the Republican party utterly collapsed in the last election. John McCain wasn't evil enough for them, so they sat on their hands while moderates happily waltzed over to the Dems and voted for Obama. Somebody reaped the whirlwind. The strange thing is, none of them seem to have got it. They've just become more strident.
Demand editorial oversight and accountability in the media again. Resist the asinine "liberal media" canard. Call for the dissolution of massive media conglomerates. Demand real consequences for the people who foster and incite domestic terrorism. Publicly denouce the people who are paid millions of dollars per year to use their position of perceived authority as radio and television hosts and then lie in order to harm Americans and make themselves more money. Bankrupt the bastards.
I won't resist it because it's factual. The left rules the media, but then whines and bitches when someone like OReilly has something to say? What you want, is for the right to be shutup to make you feel better. Sorry pal. There is a reason that left wing talk is NOT popular, and Fox news is. Why don't you move to China, since you want the gov;t deciding everything we can see and hear.
"Factual" my ass. If American mass media were "liberal", we wouldn't be in Iraq right now, George W. Bush wouldn't have been allowed to steal two elections, etc. etc. etc.
You'll be pleased to know, by the by, that FOX News' popularity has been declining steadily for some time now. Maybe Americans are tired of hearing a bunch of rich assholes tell them that they should be happy to be ground beneath the heel of the insanely wealthy?
Numbers and rankings don't matter in the shadow of truth, my friend. Bill o'reilly is a fucking hypocritical anti-woman homophobic right wing nutjob, as is the rest of fox news, and most of what is left of the neo-conservative republican party. Reform the way your party thinks, or continue to be walked all over just like you were in the 08 elections by a thinking party who doesnt "come from the gut" when they think about "smoking terrorists out of their holes."
Fox ratings are through the roof, i know. Just like the Nazi party had pretty good ratings by other Nazis in germany in the 1930's. Or like Stalin's communist party had great ratings by communists.
Ratings come from entertainment.
Education comes from news. Anything but Fox news.
I really don't give two tugs of a dead dog's dick about ratings, Nastevilsback.
Nice fireback, comparing the first black president with the chancellor of germany who thought all black people should be exterminated. There's a great...........relationship.......there? That's funny, because I can't count how many times I've heard Bill O'Reilly and other Fox whores complaining about how the media is controlled by "LIBERALS"
Ok. How about the one where he ripped up JK Rowling for writing Dumbledore as a gay character in the Harry Potter series because it "encouraged kids to become gay?" or how about how he rips up anybody who defends the abortion right? the right for a woman to choose what to do with her unborn child. Advocating for the abolition of a woman's right? sounds pretty anti woman to me......
OReilly has a righ tto oppose abortion, and homosexuality. That doesn;'t make someone a "anti woman" OR a "homophobe", anymore than chosing to date only white men makes a woman "racist". A man supporting abortion is not automatically "pro-woman", dude. I know many sexist pro-choicers.
If you oppose homosexuality, that makes you a homophobe. Just like if you oppose black skin, it makes you racist. Come on PurrfectlyCute, it's common sense. And as far as the abortion thing goes, it's going back to the early 1900's. Men voting yes or no on a decision that belongs to a woman. That's opression of a woman's rights, and is therefore anti-woman.
LMAO.....Someone can believe that homosexuality is wrong, and not hate and fear gays. That;s utter BS.
Opposing black skin is stupid bc nobody can control the color of their skin. There is more to being "pro woman" than supporting abortion, also. Your post is simple minded nonsense.
no, YOUR post is simple minded nonsense. Opposing homosexuality is stupid because nobody can control their sexual orientation either! And I know there is more to being pro woman than supporting abortion. What do YOU call it when somebody votes to eliminate a woman's right? I come from a country where it's illegal and unconstitutional for one person to take away another's rights. Anybody who isn't pro choice is violating the U.S. constitution. Yes, it is an anti-woman position to take.
Whether homosexuality is controllable is debateable to many ppl. But even so, that doesn;t make someone a hater of homosexuals. It doesn't violate the contitution to oppose abortion anymore than it's unconstitutional to oppose the 2nd amendment.
You still think gay people have a ''choice'' about being gay dont you? Thats really sad and backwards. Gay people cant help being gay the same as you stated. black people cant control the color of their skin.
I dont know if they do or not. I am not totally convinced every gay person is born that way. I do know one gay man I am SURE was born like that. I just am not entirely convinced ALL of them are, Alot of homosexuality can be caused from parental abuse, I believe. I just am not sure.
Wow, because the poll I seen showed FOX with almost a million viewers last quarter, as compared to MSNBC's paltry 200,000. Please site your source that FOX is "declining".
What Americans feel they are "being ground beneath the hell of the wealthy?" That's usually code for : "I hate the rich because I am a loser who has nothing".
That's a lot of commenting just to say "my morally bankrupt ideology is being rejected by Americans right before my eyes and I am growing increasingly desperate". Maybe you could try to sum up your thoughts? Just try it. Just try saying what the American right really thinks:
"We hate women, we hate the poor, we hate foreigners and people of different races, and we will rob and kill you to make ourselves feel better. Then we'll rob and kill you for the fun of it."
wow. Instead of addressing the actual points I made, you go off on the typical "hate" rant. When you can't discuss rationally, just call your opponet a "hater". I won. Next?
Ah Christianity. If you don't like something, you curse someone to burn in hell. And if that doesn't work, you murder someone so they'll go to that hell even sooner. Ah the love!
So what Roeder did was not the definition of terrorism. I ask you, did the clinic close down for FEAR OF FUTURE ATTACKS (Yes)? Has there been statements from the killer that there would be more attacks, THUS SCARING PEOPLE INTO SUBMISSION?
Just pointing out that you are clearly wrong here. Coercion was achieved through this killing, thus making it terrorism.
aww crap, you're right. I hate being wrong, next to admitting to being wrong, being wrong is the worse thing ever. I guess you're right.
I didn't really look into this too deeply, I just heard this guys definition of terrorism and it wasn't right.. the killing for beliefs isn't the definition of terrorism, but technically this was still terrorism.
Yes, he should have been hung for a law he never broke. Or are you talking about Scott Roeder, who should have been sent to jail for laws he did break. Which one?
I would call this murder not terrorism, it would have been terrorism if he blew up his clinic and risked killing people who were not involved with abortions such as a janitor or receptionist.
Granted this is murder without a doubt but not some sort of random bombing to specifically cause as much damage as possible.
But it IS terrorism. Terrorism is not limited to blowing things up. Terrorism is instilling fear. What Scott Roeder did was an act of terrorism because by murdering a high profile abortion doctor he basically made any pro-choice supporter fear for their lives.
To say it isn't terrorism just because there was no bombing is completely false. I'm not sure why you would think such a thing.
I have went with 2 friends in five yrs to obtain abortions. Several weeks later, I received nasty letters in the mail (no threats but not nice nonetheless) from the protesters that were outside. They called me a "irish whore". How did they get my address, and know my name? (I am irish and cherokee, with an irish last name) I know how they can be!
Youre full of shit. HOW exactly did the protesters get YOUR address when you didnt even have the procedure. I'm incredibly pro-choice but I sure don't lie to prove my point. You darling are full of absolute SHIT. God I can't wait until you useless fucks are back in school.
Also, you completely missed my point just so you could nitpick. I was defining what terrorism was. It matters very little if it was just abortion doctors being threatened (it's not just them). It's still terrorism because fear and violence was being used to send a message.
Oh and I really doubt that you are pro-choice. I checked out your account and apparantly you're a conservative troll.
It is terrorism, yes. In Georgia, threatening to harm or kill someone is called a "terroristic threat". Of course constant harassment, threats, and actual harm are terrorism. My point is, women who get abortions are not the targets of the extreme examples of violence, the doctors are.
So uh, you've basically agreed with what I've been saying all along except the nitpicking that I supposedly said that women were the primary targets of the violence. Fact is, that the women are indirectly affected by the violence because if doctors are too scared to perform the procedures, it's that much harder for women to make the decision.
I have no idea why you've been so quick to jump down people's throats.
Also, just because YOU have never been threatened with violence doesn't mean others haven't. Please go do some research about that. And I don't mean that in a condescending way.
Terrorism is defined by causing terror, this man intends to cause fear in health care providers and those that go to family planning clinics. His aim and the aim of those that harass these clinics is to intimidate and cause fear. The FBI is calling this domestic terrorism.
@cadrolls I don't believe that any child should be tortured or killed. I do, however, believe that abortion should be legal and accessible. The fact that you can't differentiate between abortion and child murder is your problem, not mine.
gingerbreadcorpses 9 months ago
@cadrolls
fetus is not a baby, and no one can legally kill a baby.
wikipedia org/wiki/Human_development_%28biology%29
there is no such thing as "full term" and you don't know how old that fetus is anyways.
just because it's viable outside the womb=/= it's not a baby or it has a right to life...deal w/ it.
FREEAMERICANOW69 9 months ago
@cadrolls
yeah, you need to prove a link for that statistic.
fetus=/= a baby
@c
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney....the human fetus has no right to life AND it's not even a person to have due process rights under 14th amendment.
FREEAMERICANOW69 9 months ago
@c
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney....the human fetus has no right to life AND it's not even a person to have due process rights under 14th amendment.
maybe you should stop worrying about the things are you are powerless to stop or prevent like ppl's fucking and would-be abortions.
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@cadrolls There's such a thing as an atopic pregnancy. In some cases it's because the fetus developed in the fallopian tube of its mother. If the pregnancy isn't terminated, it could kill the mother. Only in cases such as these is 'partial-birth abortion' legal. In any case, the fetus is not allowed to be killed if it is capable of surviving outside of the womb.
TheIntolerantAtheist 10 months ago
Why are these idiot Fundie conservatives accusing people on the left of wanting Sharia Law in the United States? This seems to be the latest non-issue the wingnuts are against that has nothing to do with reality. I get comments on Youtube from wingnuts all day long accusing me of embracing Islam, regardless of how much I attack it.
TheIntolerantAtheist 10 months ago
@cadrolls You just want to take away peoples freedoms.
y2zgt 11 months ago
the problem is there's so many people who aren't even pro-choice, they're pro-abortion. They don't support the tax-payer's choice. I can't tolerate this kind of extremism and lack of respect. This people are uncompromising by nature. They have no regard or respect for their fellow citizens' feelings. They can't be met half way. They just have to be totally DEFEATED politically. That's the only option they've left open for us.
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Over 1 MILLION unborn babies are sent to the cities' dumps each and every year here in the United States of America. They are buried among all of the everyday trash that we Americans also cast away. They have no gravemarker or headstone. They don't even have a name. They are there with the humiliating knowledge that their own Mother hired someone to torture them to death and throw them to where they are now:
...In a city dump for all eternity.
Babies are not trash.
cadrolls1 1 year ago 2
Embryo? a second and third trimester baby is fully formed and capable of surviving outside the womb. That doctor was a baby killer.
What has happened to us ,America, when we think it's ok to murder children.
cilldill24 1 year ago
STOP THE VIOLENCE. If you are an uneducated and feel like a fetus is a human being and want to OUTLAW abortion; fine! This country allows that; go to the polls, call your congressperson or senator etc.
Stop the violence!
y2zgt 1 year ago
@y2zgt The majority of Americans are against abortion. 90% of ALL highschool students want it illegalized. The Government is not listening. We must get rid of the baby murderers even if we have to take their lives. The baby has a right to expect that much from a civilized society.
KILL the abortion Doctors and the babies will be safe.
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y2zgt 1 year ago
-@cadrolls1 Oh, it's you again. Thanks for existing to serve as a great example of what nutcases the "pro-life" movement consists of. Piece of scum.
gingerbreadcorpses 9 months ago
all i know is you cant be pro-life and go around shooting people
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
SO let me see...where's the "OUT-RAAGE" over the murder of Pro-Lifer Jim Pouillon in Owosso, Michigan, last year? Or for that matter, the murder of Pro-Life advocates in Kenya, recently? Apparently while there were no Conservatives holding vigil for Tiller (or condemning his murder) it seems no Liberals stepped up for these acts either. Something wrong with this picture, with noone understanding that 2 wrongs don't make a right?
Shawnster65 1 year ago
@Shawnster65 Someone who promotes slavery doe snot deserve the attention, when murdered, that someone who promotes freedom does. Pro-'life'rs promote forced birth, are completley anti-women(all the mention of whore, slut,selfish, ect) rarely ever support birth-control or sex education, deny the consequences of forced birth and forced parenthood, and a few of them even go so far as to say children CHOOSE to be abused.. fuck pro-lifers- they are hypocrites and slavers.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I support sex education, the ACLU and liberals DON'T.
Any time a teacher says that condoms and abstinence prevent pregnancy, the liberals use "church and state" rhetoric to cancel it, because it's the church's view also. Whose fault is that?
Hypocrisy? Like the old hippie women with their rose tinted glasses, who grandstand about innocent children dying in Iraq (all the while they see killing THEIR own children inside of them as OK based on bodily rights?) Hmm..
Shawnster65 1 year ago
@Shawnster65 I do not support abstinence-only education.. but I do support condoms, birth control, ect- I could care less who says condoms are good- just as long as they speak facts, and not try to water down education with an overbearing of abstinence-only- which my high school taught, and we had like, 16, 17 pregnancies in one years. A fetus is not a child- it is not even COMSCIOUS until about 5,6 months, WELL after 90% of abortions are performed..
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat But always remember that you and I were once fetuses too, and that with a rash decision and a twist of an instrument, you and I wouldn't be here.
There's a reason they call it a Trimester-3 3 month time slots. And killing a baby in the last Trimester when it IS conscious, and can feel the pain, is murder.
Rape, or potentially life thretatening birth defects, or a danger to the life of the mother= YES. To escape the night before? NO. They have measures for that.
Shawnster65 1 year ago
@Shawnster65 I know that- and don't care. If my mother had aborted me, then to be honest, I'd be glad- I would not have been beaten for 17 years, or known that my crippled mom was FORCED to carry me, and FORCED to raise me by a pro-'life' man who is not in prison for attempted murder- on me, lol. I would not have liced the life I lived, or learned the things I learned- I would not have felt or remembered a thing, and that would be just fine w/ me.. Fetus<Woman.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Well, I don't know that that was your history, but if it was, all I can say is that I AM sorry that you had that kind of life. MIne hasn't been a bowl of cherries either, but I guess it wouldn't matter to anyone because I'm "just another Pro-Lifer" or "just anothe rRight Wing idiot" when people don't even know the FULL scope of my views. Well, if you wanna talk about it, drop me a line. I'm not that biased that you can't talk to me. Peace.
Shawnster65 1 year ago
@Shawnster65 I don't care about ANYBODY'S views- what i care about is whether or not they try to impose theor views on other people and things and situations they know NOTHING about.. If I was proposing slavery and had people supporting and even rallying for it, you'd complain not b/c you disagree personally with my ideals, but b/c you'd have a problem w/ my ideals taking over OTHER people's lives and choices..
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Shawnster65 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Oh please DO rant about your rights being imposed on.
For 8 years under Dubya, neophyte morons bad mouthed and weakened the nation to have their way, (citing THEIR rights were taken away) but now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's OK for YOU to do it right?
Stifling the views of your opponents, asking the government to modify human behavior in the name of "progression" and trying to perfect us thru bans and legislation, ect.
Shawnster65 1 year ago
@Shawnster65 What rights am I trying to take away from you by being pro-choice? Or by supporting gay marraige, or by trying to ensure that the church does NOT control the entire country, which INCLUDES the non-religious citizens? Am I in fact trying to FORCE you to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or stop believing in god or anything like that? Or am I just trying to make sure that me, YOU, and everyone else can believe what they want and live how they want?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat No you aren't trying to take away anything...
But I'm speaking in broader terms of those who want to dismantle America's
Bill Of Rights for their own purposes, most of it coming from international groups pressurizing us everyday to become "just like them."
The move is on to Socialize America, and we are NOT ready for such broad changes, so quickly. We have a right to some measure of self determination.
Shawnster65 1 year ago
@Shawnster65 Yeah, and I'm not trying to dismantle the bill of rights, so why go off on me? Who is the one here supporting FORCED childbirth, me or you?
Who is the one who shot and killed a doctor for the sake of developing meat? A so-called pro'life'r, or a pro-choicer?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I didn't say you were trying to take away the B.O.R. Not you personally. And as fas as abortion, I DID say earlier that birth defects, rape, and possible life threat to the mother are GOOD uses of the act.
However, just to escape the night before? No. Why not give the lads and lasses up for adoption, and give someone else some joy? As far as Tiller goes, I don't hear anyone crying for Jim Pouillon who was murdered by a Pro-Choicer last year. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Shawnster65 1 year ago
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Personally, I'm against killing abortionists, but the abortionists don't want us to impose OUR morals on everyone else. Let's not surrender to hypocrites. Let's check the half-time score . . .
KILLED SINCE ROE v. WADE
Abortionists: 5
Babies: 50,000,000
(According to the Center for Disease Control)
angelshoulders 1 year ago
how is someone called a terrorist for defending the unborn lives which we adults choose to create??? tiller is a baby killer, i agreed with roeders actions!!!
fastfiero3 1 year ago 2
@fastfiero3
Wow! You agree with terrorism, because that's all it is. Congratulations.
Catswhiskers100 1 year ago
if you kill ppl everyday ,you have to accept it may be visted on you some day you reap what you sow
Twoblindmen2009 1 year ago
Scott Roeder, America's Terrorist. Good riddance!
chadpopstar 1 year ago
No your dead wrong on this. he's a home grown asshole who parents should of been hung when this waste of skin came out of that sac of shit he calls mama!
kostcuter 2 years ago
By Roe vs Wade and federal law after six months an unborn baby is legally a human being with human rights which makes Tiller no different than somebody who went around a maternity ward bashing baby brains in and the hero who shot him to save human lives no different than somebody who shoots somebody in a KKK lynch mob that doesn't respect the legal right to life of African Americans, If anybody should be on trial its the crooked damn cops who should have locked up Tiller for mass murder.
Texasjim2007 2 years ago
You've got your definition of terrorism wrong. The actual definition is one who kills innocents for his political or religious beliefs.
By your definition every soldier who has ever fought for any cause ever is a terrorist.
decimator333 2 years ago
I would say terrorism is a geurilla tactic used by groups who do not have very much power, but use fear tactics to scare a population into conforming certain viewpoints. for example, al quaida could never take over this country, because they are a weak militia, but by hijacking planes and making the public afraid of them, the give off a heightened sense of their real power. This guy just committed murder.
enomarekim 2 years ago
@enomarekim Tiller was the murderer by Roe vs Wade and federal law, not the hero who saved American lives by killing
their would be murderer before he could kill again. Its the crooked cops and judges who should be on trial for letting Tiller commit murder like a KKK lynch mob or mafia gang bribing the law to look the other way. I spent 20 years in the US Army as a professional killer. I have no criminal record. I know when killing a man's legal
Texasjim2007 2 years ago
Looks like Fox news is being run by Goebbel, news network or propaganda network ? and Bill o Reily is a Harvard graduate ? wow American education system is really great.
aakarshtheone 2 years ago
Bush went to Yale, go figure.
dqs1 2 years ago
Tiller being killed was wrong yes. Just because one crazy went and killed him doesn't make the militia movement bad. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the militia movement and the only reason it is disliked by the government is because they fear them. The militia is essential to keeping America safe not from enemies foreign but our own domestic enemies. It is simply another balance. The militia seeks to defend the constitution. How is that terrorism?
MuayThaiGuy93 2 years ago
fox news is a homegrown terrorist network
nochance101 2 years ago 3
@nochance101 I totally agree!
MrBranda08 1 year ago
Roeder is a terrorist, Ayers is a terrorist. What are you trying to say? That the right are hypocrites for not jumping down Roeder's throat much like they did Ayers? Whether someone on the right or left is militant says nothing at all of either group, only that men have the capacity to commit atrocities for what they strongly believe in. Your implication is a rather shallow interpretation of the real problem: control through fear by evil men. This is a non-partisan issue.
apacolypticus 2 years ago
It seems ur arguing yourself into a corner. So, ur not speaking out against anything in particular except what the definition of terrorism is?
xxmike805xx 2 years ago
This man who Killed Tiller is a hero. I wish I had the balls to kill every liberal I hated. One of the things that sickened me about Tiller is that he attended a church. You think you spend the week murdering innocent children then go to church on sunday and ask god for forgiveness and think your salvation isn't in jeopardy? You're in hell rotting Tiller and I'm glad I just wish you had a slower more painful way of going.
BryanNC08 2 years ago
Stupid child, there's no heaven or hell - you're just a weak mind who believes in fairy tales.
fl00ders 2 years ago
The best trick the devil ever pulled was making mankind think he didn't exist.
BryanNC08 2 years ago
I think the best trick he ever pulled was convincing everyone he was god
Wezzipooh 2 years ago
Tiller performed abortions on fetuses, he wasn't really a "baby-killer". There's a difference between a fetus and a baby. Not that you would understand that.
The real "baby-killers" are the U.S. Marines. But you'll never hear O'Reilly say anything negative about them. Because it's ok to kill people after they've been born. It's only fetuses that republicans care about, because they hope that the fetus will grow up to vote for republicans.
Tiller is not in hell, dead Marines are.
okplayer420 2 years ago
How dear you say that about the men and women fighting for your right to spew your hateful bullshit. Our troops have fought and killed terrorists not purposely killed innocent children.
Oh and for the record Tiller didn't just preform your usual abortion. He preformed late term abortions like when the woman's water had already been broke.
BryanNC08 2 years ago
"how dear" I say that? LOL
A fetus is not a person. If you're a christian that's what you believe. Don't believe me? Well let's get our bibles out, turn to Genesis 2:7-"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."
So your not a living being until you have taken a breath. Human beings breathe air, not amniotic fluid.
Check and mate.
P.S. thank GOD for IED's, Marines are the REAL BABY MURDERERS.
okplayer420 2 years ago
The Catholic church is totally against it except the fake north eastern ones. And even most scientists will agree that life begins at conception so it is murder.
People like you are the cancer of America please leave along with all your favorite left wing hating groups. Maybe go to Cuba or North Korea. They're just as tolerant as you people are when it comes to other beliefs.
BryanNC08 2 years ago
yes, Scientists do agree that it is alive, but they do not agree that it is a conscious being, or that it is murder
Also, what you see on fox news, or from anything inside America, actually, is extremely bias in US favor. The troops aren't all as good as you think, especially our paramilitary forces.
Cheapsta121 2 years ago
Anyone who puts their life on the line so you can say this bullshit deserves nothing but your up most support. Go fuck yourself you little brat.
BryanNC08 2 years ago
Psalm 139:13: "You formed my inmost being; you knit me in my mother's womb."
Jeremiah 1:5: "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you;"
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
@ajpmathwiz Genesis 2:7 And the lord god formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
It seems that the bible says man has no soul until god breathes life into our nostrils.
jeremiad86 2 years ago
"For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy." Luke 1:44
John the Baptist clearly had a soul while still in the womb, nary seven months gestation.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
@ajpmathwiz That verse says nothing about a soul.
jeremiad86 2 years ago
Mind explaining then how a person with no soul can rejoice? This was no ordinary reaction to stimulus, that an animal might have, but a spiritual reaction.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
Well it is a scientific fact that physical or emotional stimulation to a pregnant women can also stimulate the fetus.
A simple explanation would be when Elisabeth heard Mary greet her at the door Elisabeth became overjoyed and it stimulated the fetus.
The same reason fetuses move to music stimulation.
jeremiad86 2 years ago
Do you realize that the even the christian church did not consider abortion murder until the 17th century, St Augustine wrote in the year 354 CE that a human soul cannot live in an unformed body. Thus, early in pregnancy, an abortion is not murder because no soul is destroyed.
If the bible was clear that abortion was murder why would St Augustine write this?
jeremiad86 2 years ago
Better proof text: Luke 1:15b "He will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother's womb..."
The Holy Spirit only indwells living souls.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
The Holy Ghost/Spirit is not a soul. There are many Christian sects that believe the Holy Ghost/Spirit is in everything including inanimate objects like cheetos and pancakes. Don't you ever watch the news? Genesis 1:2 And the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters.
jeremiad86 2 years ago 2
That's not the same as indwelling, the way a prophet's soul and spirit are indwelled by the Holy Spirit. And how, I ask, did Elizabeth know that Mary was carrying the Messiah, when Gabriel's message to her and Zachariah was exclusively about John the Baptist?
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
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"And how, I ask, did Elizabeth know that Mary was carrying the Messiah, when Gabriel's message to her and Zachariah was exclusively about John the Baptist?"
What does that have to do with a fetus having a soul or not?
jeremiad86 2 years ago
Well, Roeder was religious so therefore he was mentally insane, whether he was a racist or not is irrelevant.
ApocalypticMetalHead 2 years ago 2
oriely shoud be very proud of himself if his words played a role in getting tiller the baby killer shot.; I wish I could say that I played a part in the shooting of tiller.
i don't really like oriely , he's arrogant but he should embrace it if his show " the factor" helped get tiller the baby killer shot like rabid dog.
pro aborts are bottomfeeders, it's good to terrorize them.
way to go bill oriely!!! haha
hahahaha , cry me a river so I can catch a fish pro abort scum.
noapology4beingfree 2 years ago
i guess we can call pro-life: fake,patriotic-tyrannical-fascists because that's what they are and preach about.
giving embryos rights when they didn't have none, yet, taking the civil and moral rights away from grown pregnant female american citizens to decide what best for their own bodies, forcing them to stay pregnant against their will and force them to become 2nd class american citizens to the embryos inside them.
since the woman have the embryo inside her, let her decide, fascist!
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago 3
@FREEAMERICANOW69 that embryo is worth more than u dumbass, and unless the women was raped she shouldn't have an abortion. unless she was raped it was her decision, she has to pay the consequences. She can't just have sex then tell herself " if i get pregnant ts ok, cuz then i'll just kill the baby"
AustinVenom11 1 year ago
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well, that called an opinion because under the law, I AM MORE VALUABLE THAN YOUR LIL'ZYGOTES.
"and unless the women was raped she shouldn't have an abortion"
that's called being inconsistent, you hate abortion because all unborn are valuable unless they're the product of rape...then it's ok, to FORCE a woman AGAINST HER WILL, CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO KEEP AN UNWANTED PREGANCY = SLAVERY AKA RAPE.
abortion is taking responsibility; babies are born.
you have no logic.
FREEAMERICANOW69 1 year ago
@FREEAMERICANOW69 Right you do know everyone used to be an embryo and a lot of parents probably didn't want kids so by your opinion your saying if your mother wanted to kill you as a baby you'd be fine with it?
AGBmehrunesdragon 1 year ago
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@AGBmehrunesdragon
do you not know what's an emo- fallacy is?
my opinion is fact based on constitutional law, bitch.
pro-life fascists want to take away a woman's will, civil and constitutional rights to her body given to her BIRTH, force her to keep an unwanted fetus live (that before never had a right to life because it had no due process rights) using her body against her will and rights for it's own survival.
FREEAMERICANOW69 1 year ago
Care for a fact? Doubt it but anyhow, 99.99% of 3rd term abortions are because either the baby is already dead (I'm sure you'd ask
the mother of a 5 mnth old dead fetus in her belly to continue to carry the baby to term huh? Let others ask her when shes due,
if they can touch her belly, all the while knowing her child inside her was dead)) or because the mother would die if she gave birth.
Its not like a woman is 7 mnths pregnant & just says OH FORGET THIS TAKE IT OUT!Get some damn facts
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago 3
Who is this comment aimed at?
Bc nobody I know thinks a dead baby should remain inside a mother. least of all me, because I have had to have a unviable pregnancy removed in 1993. (the embryo was dead but not expelling itserlf)
HeartofGoldHooker 2 years ago
@sarahPluvsabortions You are correct. It is actually against the law to abort a healthy 3rd term baby. Late term abortions can only be done after a second opinion that concludes the Mother will die, or the baby will die, or the baby is malformed. This is the kinda of thing that no expecting Mother ever wants to go through. The Pro-Lifers are just full of vile and hate for anyone who does not think or act like them. Which is understandable, because most are nit wit religious fanatics.
jrwilson98 11 months ago
If it's "oppression of women" to be against abortion, how do you explain the fact that approximately 50% of women are against abortion? Are you really arguing that half of all women are "oppressive to women?"
Men cannot vote on abortion laws because abortion only effects women? Are you joking?
Are women prevented from voting on laws providing funding for prostate cancer research? Are men prevented from voting on laws providing funding for breast cancer research?
tolivr 2 years ago
those pro-life women are stupid and believe women are evil and doomed humanity because of eve..and the saying holds true: women are more likely to hate other women for no fucking reason.
hint: a woman will attack the other woman ignore the man who actually cheated on her and forgive him.
there are actually pro-life women who believe another woman should be forced to staying pregnant against her will because of the embryo, when they have no legal authority to force their beliefs on anyone.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago 2
So satisfying that he is gone and slaughtered..but what about his children (if unrenounced) do they still live?
notthelastword 2 years ago
"The point is more have died in the name of the Catholic Religion" than Muslim?
Is that your contention? If so, you might want to check with the Hindus of India. Muslims killed 80 million of them from 1000 to 1500 for religious reasons.
In the last 100 years, how many people have been killed in the name of Christ?
Now number those killed in the name of Mohammed in the last 100 years.
tolivr 2 years ago
You kill viable babies and someone will always be out there ready to kill you. Look over your shoulder late term doc's
owenowen 2 years ago
nice, owenowen. "look over your shoulder, late term doc's." lets just encourage unlawful murder. Now i know what youre thinking, "abortion is murder too!" well, u can call it that, but it's still legal. call it what you want, its still legal. Don't make fear-instigating comments about people who are ready to kill abortion doctors. Stop defending Roeder. He's a terrorist. What he did to Tiller in national spotlight was the textbook definition of terrorism. And in a christian church, too.
Ironic
chunklesam 2 years ago
Murder is already unlawful. That's why it's called murder.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Thank you for completely reiterating my point, Purrfectly cute. Murder is unlawful. Abortion isnt, and it never will be. Do you know why? Of course you don't. Because there was a little court case in 1973 called Roe vs. Wade, in which it was decided that making abortion illegal would be a violation of the 14th ammendment, and therefore unconstitutional.
If you abide by United States law, you'll shut the fuck up and abide by this. Because that's exactly what it is. A LAW. Since 1973
chunklesam 2 years ago
Another dumbass post, I know what the hell Roe Vs Wade is. I KNOW it's legal. I AM pro-choice. But the fact is, something being legal doesn;t justify it, nor does it mean nobody can oppose it. Liberals oppose legal gun rights A:LL THE TIME.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
I never said opposing it was illegal. I said opposing it was unconstitutional, because by doing so, one would be supporting a violation of the 14th ammendment. Just like opposing gun rights violates the 2nd. And no, it's not wrong. But it's unconstitutional. Which is something that typically tends to bother the traditional "patriotic" republican who likes to stand against this right. And no, you may not be one of them, but it is a big plank on the platform of people who tend to side with u
chunklesam 2 years ago
If Scott is called a terrorist then what does that make Tiller? Scott didn't do the right thing but Scott only killed one person, Tiller killed over 60,000 BABIES oooppppps I said the word BABIES! Because that's exactly what they were......I'm sure us women aren't growing dogs and cats in our wombs and all of a sudden they become human when they are born......so yes they are human BABIES. Tiller is by far more of a terrorist then Scott.
MrsGuillen2008 2 years ago
Because Tiller used direct fear to preform abortions on willing women who have just heard the news that they will die during childbirth. What a horrible human being for only preforming abortions in medical emergencies.
Roeder wasn't a terrorist. He never used terror to intimidate people, besides each person who will be effected by his terrorism.
Go fark yourself.
snipzor 2 years ago
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it's one issue if you abort a fetus that is very small, but aborting fetuses that have grown to 7 months. beings with functioning brains and nervous systems and all that stuff. i mean, oh my god, we're talking about a being that even pro-choicers agree has consciousness and can feel pain! i have held and played with a child born a couple of months premature, seen her respond differently to me than to her mother and seen her cry when frightened. we're not talking about a small mass of cells.
squarerootof20 2 years ago
where's the line?
squarerootof20 2 years ago
Fuck you.
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
And so what if FOX has the highest numbers? It's like reality TV where crap reigns. Some people watch it for the drama and sensationalism rather than for the news.
Have you ever watch their "balanced" interviews? They bring a guest from an opposing viewpoint and they shout over them. It's no better than Jerry Springer.
They are so over the top that it's far more entertaining than actual journalism. FOX NEWS is nothing more than tabloid TV. Unfortunately, people love crap.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago 2
You have a point. Olbermann doesn't bother to debate the important issues of the day. There is only one side of the news to report, the hard left side. Keith simply has the same 5 to 6 "yes men" nobodies on his show who always answer his leading questions with - "Yes, Keith you're right..." Now that's news and information!
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
Let's see here, you compare the Nazis with FOX News and then when I make a valid comparison with Hiter and Obama on speach giving and mesmorizing of followers you mention that Obama is black. Damn your dumb.
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
Hey moron. You responded to the wrong guy. I made no mention of Nazis whatsoever.
Damn "your" dumb,
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago 2
PurrfectlyCute do you still want to claim that you're not conservative? You seem to have a lot of hate for "lefties".
But whatever, you're either a troll or a extreme right-wing nut job. Either way, you're pretty pathetic.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago
I am libertarian, and I DESPISE authoritarianism on both sides. Unfortunately for the left, they seem to pose the most threat to freedoms in this country. The ONLY right they want unfettered is abortion. The rest of our rights can rot for all they care.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Wow. You seriously think the left only cares about abortion rights unrestricted? What about gay rights? Civil rights? Womens' rights? Animal rights? And so on. Seriously are you this dense?
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago
Actually, it's more like they only care about freedom if you agree with them; they will fight to the death to strip you of yours if you disagree.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
Nielsen numbers for Friday, June 19th
FOX NEWS OReilly
Demo 469,000 Total 2,149,000
MSNBC Olbermann
Demo 245,000 Total 784,000
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
Thank you. SO much for Fox news "declining numbers". ROFL
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Nice. Assumptions that I go to church and the typical "hate" spew. Leftists use it so much it no longer has meaning. Yawn.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Maybe because I was the one driving, dumbfuck. Something called a license plate can be used to get ur address. Think, then type. You have anger issues, seek help.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Um where and when did I tell you my life story? You called me a conservative troll and I pointed out all my views aren't conservative. My comment about not having fear still stands. Are women who get abortions being killed? Noooooo. Are members of pro choice groups being killed? Nooooo. You said prochoice supporters. That covers anyone from a doctor to a member of planned parenthood. That's not nitpicking that's fact.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Maybe this is over your head but the primary targets of these ppl are the docs and clinic employees. Not women or all who support choice. Second I don't give a shit what you really believe. A conservativr troll, what's that? Someone that doesn't kiss liberal ass? Yes biotch, I am prochoice, and pro gun, anti drug war and I work as an escort in atlanta! That's some "conservative" troll, huh? Try again sweetie.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
See, you even said PRIMARY target. That implies there are secondary targets. I never said that the women were the primary targets. I said that the targets were pro-choice. The doctors are obviously pro-choice. So how was my statement in any way false?
And once again you completely miss the point. No matter how you want to nitpick, my point about terrorism still stands.
And I really don't give a shit about your life story.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago
escort = whore
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
Christianity:
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you libe forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so that he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a snake to eat fruit from a magical tree -- yeah, that makes perfect sense....
WolverineDeus 2 years ago
Libe forever?
Damn, your dumb.
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
Bill OReilly from FOXnews said a 11 yrold kidnapvictim looked like he was 'having fun'
being anally raped for 4 1/2 yrs by his 6'5 300 lb kidnapper/rapist.Hannity &the other liars at FOX reported on the FAKE
McCainsupporter abused by the 'scary big black guy'-14-FOURTEEN times w/ only a 3 minute 1 time recant the next day.
ANYONE getting their news here is seriously deranged. Hannity should be fired for yellowjournalism but that would infer he's a journalist.
Shame on ALL the liars at FOX!
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
Yeah, after they knew the story was fake, they recanted it. Were they supposed to know it was fake beforehand? You're a fucking idiot...
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
No THEY'RE fucking idiots. Every other legitamite news organization held off on the story, knowing it didnt smell right. FOX news however reported on it FOURTEEN FUCKING TIMES with a ONE time TWO minute recant the next day. They were supposed to use decent judgement but then again it IS racist, homophobe FOX news.
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
So what? You just said they recanted the story when they found it to be false.
Did the liberal media use "judgement" when it aired the FALSE story of that black woman that LIED about being raped by white cops? No...in fact, they kept airing the story AFTER it was proven to false. Save the spew, okay. The left isn;t any paragon of virtue.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Very ''Fair & Balanced" of them to run the fake story 14 times then recant it once, typical Republican math.
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
Yeah, and no other news show EVER run a fake story, did they?
Who cares....
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Just like your fake story, everybody who heard it knew it was total crap. Except racist homophobe Sean Hannity that is. He reported every 15 mins about that story with a BIG gleam in his eye. FINALLY he thought Skippy McFossil & his inept breedcow extremist bible thumping breedcow day nurse had a shot.
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
Yeh, well... Everyone knows that Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Dick Chenney, et al, are the evil spawn of Satin. That's why the Republican party utterly collapsed in the last election. John McCain wasn't evil enough for them, so they sat on their hands while moderates happily waltzed over to the Dems and voted for Obama. Somebody reaped the whirlwind. The strange thing is, none of them seem to have got it. They've just become more strident.
QuiglysMom 2 years ago
So when is America going to wise up and start bringing the hammer down on these psychos?
JDorsey2001 2 years ago
Just about when we stop considering putting right-wing bigots on national stage.
snipzor 2 years ago 2
Bring the hammer down how?
We already have laws against what Roeder did.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Demand editorial oversight and accountability in the media again. Resist the asinine "liberal media" canard. Call for the dissolution of massive media conglomerates. Demand real consequences for the people who foster and incite domestic terrorism. Publicly denouce the people who are paid millions of dollars per year to use their position of perceived authority as radio and television hosts and then lie in order to harm Americans and make themselves more money. Bankrupt the bastards.
JDorsey2001 2 years ago
I won't resist it because it's factual. The left rules the media, but then whines and bitches when someone like OReilly has something to say? What you want, is for the right to be shutup to make you feel better. Sorry pal. There is a reason that left wing talk is NOT popular, and Fox news is. Why don't you move to China, since you want the gov;t deciding everything we can see and hear.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
"Factual" my ass. If American mass media were "liberal", we wouldn't be in Iraq right now, George W. Bush wouldn't have been allowed to steal two elections, etc. etc. etc.
You'll be pleased to know, by the by, that FOX News' popularity has been declining steadily for some time now. Maybe Americans are tired of hearing a bunch of rich assholes tell them that they should be happy to be ground beneath the heel of the insanely wealthy?
JDorsey2001 2 years ago
I didn't realize the media decided to go into Iraq. I thought the President made that decision. ALso, I thought voters elected Bush. Silly me.
LMAO dumbass.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Hey there sweetcheeks, FOX NEWS Dominates cable news and will continue to dominate cable news. Olbermann will always be a very distant number two.
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
Numbers and rankings don't matter in the shadow of truth, my friend. Bill o'reilly is a fucking hypocritical anti-woman homophobic right wing nutjob, as is the rest of fox news, and most of what is left of the neo-conservative republican party. Reform the way your party thinks, or continue to be walked all over just like you were in the 08 elections by a thinking party who doesnt "come from the gut" when they think about "smoking terrorists out of their holes."
chunklesam 2 years ago
THUNK! You know what that was? That's me kicking in your wooden head every time I post Fox ratings.
My Non-friend.
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
Fox ratings are through the roof, i know. Just like the Nazi party had pretty good ratings by other Nazis in germany in the 1930's. Or like Stalin's communist party had great ratings by communists.
Ratings come from entertainment.
Education comes from news. Anything but Fox news.
I really don't give two tugs of a dead dog's dick about ratings, Nastevilsback.
chunklesam 2 years ago
Yeah and Hitler was a great speaker who mesmorized his followers just like Obama. Blah, blah, blah.
BTW, you WOULD care about RATINGS if they favored your side.
NastevilsBack 2 years ago
Nice fireback, comparing the first black president with the chancellor of germany who thought all black people should be exterminated. There's a great...........relationship.......there? That's funny, because I can't count how many times I've heard Bill O'Reilly and other Fox whores complaining about how the media is controlled by "LIBERALS"
Who are you agreeing with, here?
chunklesam 2 years ago
Anti-woman homophobe? Please find one show where he demonstrates this "anti-woman homophobia"
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Ok. How about the one where he ripped up JK Rowling for writing Dumbledore as a gay character in the Harry Potter series because it "encouraged kids to become gay?" or how about how he rips up anybody who defends the abortion right? the right for a woman to choose what to do with her unborn child. Advocating for the abolition of a woman's right? sounds pretty anti woman to me......
chunklesam 2 years ago
OReilly has a righ tto oppose abortion, and homosexuality. That doesn;'t make someone a "anti woman" OR a "homophobe", anymore than chosing to date only white men makes a woman "racist". A man supporting abortion is not automatically "pro-woman", dude. I know many sexist pro-choicers.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
If you oppose homosexuality, that makes you a homophobe. Just like if you oppose black skin, it makes you racist. Come on PurrfectlyCute, it's common sense. And as far as the abortion thing goes, it's going back to the early 1900's. Men voting yes or no on a decision that belongs to a woman. That's opression of a woman's rights, and is therefore anti-woman.
chunklesam 2 years ago
LMAO.....Someone can believe that homosexuality is wrong, and not hate and fear gays. That;s utter BS.
Opposing black skin is stupid bc nobody can control the color of their skin. There is more to being "pro woman" than supporting abortion, also. Your post is simple minded nonsense.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
no, YOUR post is simple minded nonsense. Opposing homosexuality is stupid because nobody can control their sexual orientation either! And I know there is more to being pro woman than supporting abortion. What do YOU call it when somebody votes to eliminate a woman's right? I come from a country where it's illegal and unconstitutional for one person to take away another's rights. Anybody who isn't pro choice is violating the U.S. constitution. Yes, it is an anti-woman position to take.
chunklesam 2 years ago
Whether homosexuality is controllable is debateable to many ppl. But even so, that doesn;t make someone a hater of homosexuals. It doesn't violate the contitution to oppose abortion anymore than it's unconstitutional to oppose the 2nd amendment.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
You still think gay people have a ''choice'' about being gay dont you? Thats really sad and backwards. Gay people cant help being gay the same as you stated. black people cant control the color of their skin.
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
I dont know if they do or not. I am not totally convinced every gay person is born that way. I do know one gay man I am SURE was born like that. I just am not entirely convinced ALL of them are, Alot of homosexuality can be caused from parental abuse, I believe. I just am not sure.
HeartofGoldHooker 2 years ago
Mass murderers can also come out of parental abuse. So can normal law abiding very successful people.
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
and? you just proved my point that gays CAN be made, and not born. Altho they can be born.
HeartofGoldHooker 2 years ago
You may or may not have a choice about who you are attracted to, but you always have a choice about whether or not to act on it.
ajpmathwiz 2 years ago
Wow, because the poll I seen showed FOX with almost a million viewers last quarter, as compared to MSNBC's paltry 200,000. Please site your source that FOX is "declining".
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
What Americans feel they are "being ground beneath the hell of the wealthy?" That's usually code for : "I hate the rich because I am a loser who has nothing".
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
That's a lot of commenting just to say "my morally bankrupt ideology is being rejected by Americans right before my eyes and I am growing increasingly desperate". Maybe you could try to sum up your thoughts? Just try it. Just try saying what the American right really thinks:
"We hate women, we hate the poor, we hate foreigners and people of different races, and we will rob and kill you to make ourselves feel better. Then we'll rob and kill you for the fun of it."
Give it a shot. Coward. =)
JDorsey2001 2 years ago
wow. Instead of addressing the actual points I made, you go off on the typical "hate" rant. When you can't discuss rationally, just call your opponet a "hater". I won. Next?
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Desperation is a stinky cologne.
JDorsey2001 2 years ago
Ah Christianity. If you don't like something, you curse someone to burn in hell. And if that doesn't work, you murder someone so they'll go to that hell even sooner. Ah the love!
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago 2
The definition of terrorism from dictionary . com the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission
produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
No that is not the definition of terrorism. Get your facts correct. Yes what he did was wrong but it is not terrorism
jacobrball 2 years ago
So what Roeder did was not the definition of terrorism. I ask you, did the clinic close down for FEAR OF FUTURE ATTACKS (Yes)? Has there been statements from the killer that there would be more attacks, THUS SCARING PEOPLE INTO SUBMISSION?
Just pointing out that you are clearly wrong here. Coercion was achieved through this killing, thus making it terrorism.
snipzor 2 years ago
aww crap, you're right. I hate being wrong, next to admitting to being wrong, being wrong is the worse thing ever. I guess you're right.
I didn't really look into this too deeply, I just heard this guys definition of terrorism and it wasn't right.. the killing for beliefs isn't the definition of terrorism, but technically this was still terrorism.
jacobrball 2 years ago
The clinic closed because there was nobody else to run it.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
It's terrorism because terrorists are always "sending a message."
"Watch out, all you other doctors!", (thats' the msg-for all you conservatives who still don't understand.)
Atomsmasher777 2 years ago
the dude should have been hanged along time ago
shank19771977 2 years ago
Yes, he should have been hung for a law he never broke. Or are you talking about Scott Roeder, who should have been sent to jail for laws he did break. Which one?
snipzor 2 years ago
I would call this murder not terrorism, it would have been terrorism if he blew up his clinic and risked killing people who were not involved with abortions such as a janitor or receptionist.
Granted this is murder without a doubt but not some sort of random bombing to specifically cause as much damage as possible.
n701204x 2 years ago
But it IS terrorism. Terrorism is not limited to blowing things up. Terrorism is instilling fear. What Scott Roeder did was an act of terrorism because by murdering a high profile abortion doctor he basically made any pro-choice supporter fear for their lives.
To say it isn't terrorism just because there was no bombing is completely false. I'm not sure why you would think such a thing.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago 2
No, he made abortion doctors fear for their lives. I am pro-choice but I don't fear being killed for it. Gimme a break.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
You obviously never heard of the threats on the lives of the women who try to get abortions then. Give ME a break.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago
I have went with 2 friends in five yrs to obtain abortions. Several weeks later, I received nasty letters in the mail (no threats but not nice nonetheless) from the protesters that were outside. They called me a "irish whore". How did they get my address, and know my name? (I am irish and cherokee, with an irish last name) I know how they can be!
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Youre full of shit. HOW exactly did the protesters get YOUR address when you didnt even have the procedure. I'm incredibly pro-choice but I sure don't lie to prove my point. You darling are full of absolute SHIT. God I can't wait until you useless fucks are back in school.
sarahPluvsabortions 2 years ago
Also, you completely missed my point just so you could nitpick. I was defining what terrorism was. It matters very little if it was just abortion doctors being threatened (it's not just them). It's still terrorism because fear and violence was being used to send a message.
Oh and I really doubt that you are pro-choice. I checked out your account and apparantly you're a conservative troll.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago
It is terrorism, yes. In Georgia, threatening to harm or kill someone is called a "terroristic threat". Of course constant harassment, threats, and actual harm are terrorism. My point is, women who get abortions are not the targets of the extreme examples of violence, the doctors are.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
So uh, you've basically agreed with what I've been saying all along except the nitpicking that I supposedly said that women were the primary targets of the violence. Fact is, that the women are indirectly affected by the violence because if doctors are too scared to perform the procedures, it's that much harder for women to make the decision.
I have no idea why you've been so quick to jump down people's throats.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago
I haven;'t been jumping, the loony leftists on this board have, including you.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
Also, just because YOU have never been threatened with violence doesn't mean others haven't. Please go do some research about that. And I don't mean that in a condescending way.
Gnomesmusher 2 years ago
Terrorism is defined by causing terror, this man intends to cause fear in health care providers and those that go to family planning clinics. His aim and the aim of those that harass these clinics is to intimidate and cause fear. The FBI is calling this domestic terrorism.
ushadrons 2 years ago
yea, and the FBI is always right. A muslim walks into LAX and goes to the El Al counter and shoots Jews but that wasn't terrorism....
heknowsitall 2 years ago