They showed up in numbers, to overwhelm, intimidate the crowd..worked. They did not show up and start hitting rioters, instead kept the perimeter secure..worked. They respectfully put up curfew and told them to be 'good citizens', in respect to the definiton of what a good citizen is...worked. More showed up for final intimidation/'assault'...worked. Arrested those that remained, but they were warned, but Korea's police are highly trained, strong when needed.. this is why London doesn't work!
@wasabi622 just saying... if you don't know even the gist of what goes on in Korean politics or society, might as well keep quiet unless you're related to this somehow. It's not your business to say who is right or wrong if you don't know the history about how protests in Korea have been dealt with. look up 5.18 gwangju democratization movement, when the government killed all the protesters by actually shooting them to death..
@wasabi622 and what is your reason to side with the police? violence is not right but finding out the cause is the solution to the problem. the cause is the government's way of using military and young people with money to control the citizens by force. nowadays in Korea people get caught by the police if they draw or write anything bad about the current government in public, and it is illegal for even a normal size group of people to meet in certain grounds because the gov't is that suspicious
@wasabi622 retard. chinks = stereotype against chinese. donno why you give a shit and make yourself look like a retard here. go comment on some japanese food video or something since your nickname has the word WASABI on it.
@wasabi622 Racism is the epitome of ignorance and I do not tolerate racial slurs on my channel. Period.
Sorry to say, I have no choice but to block you. Please find a more constructive way of venting your frustration in the future. I truly hope you find happiness and enlightenment along with maturity. Peace.
This brings up alot of questions about societal structures today. I mean I don't think riot is the answer to anything. The riot police are doing what they are told to do. In the end the rioters aren't doing anything but hurting their own ppl. The ppl at the top are controlling and calling the shots. This brings me to ask another question. Is this our future? When ppl oppose the views of the government (or majority), will this be the response of the government?
@waterflowzz We live in societies that are "democratic" governments, a society where "majority rules" but does that type of government really work? corrupt governments will always exist. As seen with Hitler and his campaign to wipe out the Jews, can we say it really works? Sure we can say Germany was not based off of a "democratic" government at the time but more of an autocratic type government but nonetheless, Hitler did have the support of the majority or else he wouldn't have gotten far..
@waterflowzz What I'm trying to say is that the government can always brainwash the masses into thinking one way. They already do, through the media and education system. When the masses are brainwashed into thinking a certain way the government can always do what they want without opposition.
@waterflowzz It's like someone is leading the herd of sheep to jump off the cliff and we all follow and some of us know it's not the right way but follow anyways. With a democratic government system we have to think with the mentality that majority is always right but we know that the majority isn't always right. I guess it is inevitable.
@waterflowzz I agree. People are conditioned by powerful forces via the media and advertising. The majority nowadays is far from correct; it is ignorant, misinformed, and concerned only with material nonsense. And for those of us that aren't just "sheeple", our governments are there to force us into submission through oppressive, militarized force. Rest assured, the riot police didn't win this fight. Those poor men were victimized just as badly. Only the corporate and political elites won.
@waterflowzz The future is now. Democracy only works when there is a knowledgeable and informed public. So people need to do their own research, arrive at their own conclusions, and live their lives in accordance with what's right instead of what's popular. We must personally reject primitive methods of affecting change such as riots, violent suppression, voting for elite politicians, and being slaves to corporate masters. All of that nonsense is irrelevant. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I think the problems lies not with the police but with the people. They just seem to protest and riot and the slightest whim, and since so many of them do turn violent, can you blame the cops for coming in force and ready to fight?
I think in this case the cops were very smart, coming in mass numbers. That way, simply scaring them would suffice, whereas if there are less cops than protesters, the protesters can get arrogant and start fighting.
@wasabi622 I respect your view, but I find the tactics used by both sides to be flawed. A vast majority of the people were peaceful, however, the 5% of violent ones did indeed justify the police response. On the other hand, when citizens are confronted by a militarized army of police for demonstrating, that also has negative effects on society and patriotism. Maybe that's why no one attacked the regular police, but violence did happen after the riot police arrived. Thank you for your comment.
@GreenEggsAndHamster I didn't realize that.. I guess it really does depend on both parties. Perhaps if only the regular police were present and the riot police stayed out the situation could've resolved itself. On the other hand though, from the police perspective, deterrence is probably preferable to taking the risk of a riot occurring.
Tricky situation. Hard to say which is the best method.
@wasabi622 riot at the slightest whim? do you live in Korea and know what kind of situations those people are facing? Koreans normally do not stand up like that unless they're really provoked and agitated. they mean business when they stand up like that. current government is non-commoner/citizen friendly and it's put a lot of small stores out of business, students can't get loans easily and tuition is increasing yearly.. there's a lot of issues, and the lack of gov't addressing it lead to this.
@tokee1234567 I used to, I am a Korean, and I base my opinion off of what I hear from my family and friends in Korea. I understand that they're going through hard times, as we are here in the US as well. But it doesn't mean that they can decided to break the law and turn to violence, when in the long run, it only worsens the situation. All the damage they cause? Guess who has to pay for it? They do. The people who are losing their jobs and can't earn money have to cough up the money to pay.
@wasabi622 it's not breaking the law. people have rights to proclaim and protest for their rights in a democratic country. Do you think people break laws in France where protests happen all the time?? People resort to violence because their words are not being heard, and sometimes it's the police that attacks first and threatens people to back off. People are already paying for all the stuff they damage. Koreans pay a hell load of taxes and most of the taxes aren't being used properly anyways
@tokee1234567 This one shown is tame, hardly a riot. Others include violence, destruction of property, assaulting officers, and using deadly weapons(make shift flame thrower with a propane tank, throwing makeshift javelins, etc). That is, in fact, illegal. Besides, what are you basing your judgments on? Are you Korean, or live in Korea? As you said, people are paying for the damages, yet if they have no money, why continually force themselves to pay up what little they have?
@wasabi622 I'm Korean and I lived in Korea but also spent a good deal of time In Canada and a couple yrs at the US. weapons or not, the reason why people act like that is because their opinion is not heard. the gov't continually ignores the opinion of the people and force their policies through. esp since the conservative party (president's party) is anti-citizen/commoner. How about you? are you Korean? do you live there? Do you have any idea what people go through over there?
@tokee1234567 I.. I already answered that question, and you've already said exactly that before. o.O
I'm not saying that them being ignored is the right thing, but just that rioting probably isn't the best means of getting things done. I understand their frustration, but beating up policemen really isn't going to get things done. The police are people just like them, only that their job is different. They're men with families to feed and bills to pay. Attacking cops just isn't right.
@wasabi622 you obviously are not Korean. a lot of these people in black armour and shields are not really policemen. they're usually the military men (korean men have mandatory military service during ages 20 to mid 20's) being used as a shield to control the protesters, or youngsters that are paid a lot of money to do this. and a lot of common people get hurt too, probably a lot more than the police because the police use actual stuff that hurts people. cops aren't meant to attack people either
@tokee1234567 Damn.. you caught me. I'm actually CPT. Malcolm Reynolds.. I managed to get some wi-fi on Serenity, so I thought I might pretend to be Korean on youtube. You know, fun stuff like that.
@truesky00 The protesters were mostly students, teachers, and working-class people. This was on Worker's Day (May 1st), so they demonstrated for worker's rights and stopping corporate monopolies. Thank you for watching and for the question.
But I think it's not right to make assumption for either sides when you haven't been in any situations in real life. I have been in the side of riot police and I was often confused and not happy with the press in showing not the completely true scenes of riots on the news.
Thank you so much for your comments, lildazed! That is exactly the points I wanted to make with this video. Riot police are people too, and they are just doing their job. Police should not be attacked. I object to violence by either side because it doesn't improve anything.
I've been in the riot police squad in Korea for the last two years and all I can say is that we get trained to protect the protesters and when they get violent we have to defend ourselves. It often seems to me that it's the protesters those turn up with steel pipes and glass bottles filled with acid and all sorts of things like huge bamboo sticks with sharp edges,,
I can say the riot scene is crazy in Korea at the moment and am not proud of it.
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thought in clear form.
It seems to me that in the majority of cases violence is instigated not by the protesters but by the opposition. This was often true during the civil rights marches and many anti-war demonstrations of the '60's.
Apparently the powers that be haven't taken the John Nash approach to conflict resolution to heart.
Are police states necessary? No. The protest was peaceful and that kind of police response usually only provokes violence. Left alone, the crowd would have dispersed on its own within a few hours. As for violence, sometimes a violent revolution can have a positive result but more often it's counter-productive.
It could have gone a lot worse for the protesters. They were already penned in by the buildings before the police arrived, not a good place to be when facing opponants you know are going to be armed.
Of course it could have been worse, but that's not the point of the video. I want to inspire the questions: 1) are police states really necessary and 2) is violence, on either side, really effective at creating positive change in the world. What do you think?
They showed up in numbers, to overwhelm, intimidate the crowd..worked. They did not show up and start hitting rioters, instead kept the perimeter secure..worked. They respectfully put up curfew and told them to be 'good citizens', in respect to the definiton of what a good citizen is...worked. More showed up for final intimidation/'assault'...worked. Arrested those that remained, but they were warned, but Korea's police are highly trained, strong when needed.. this is why London doesn't work!
Onlinepoetrycafe 6 months ago
@wasabi622 just saying... if you don't know even the gist of what goes on in Korean politics or society, might as well keep quiet unless you're related to this somehow. It's not your business to say who is right or wrong if you don't know the history about how protests in Korea have been dealt with. look up 5.18 gwangju democratization movement, when the government killed all the protesters by actually shooting them to death..
tokee1234567 9 months ago
@wasabi622 and what is your reason to side with the police? violence is not right but finding out the cause is the solution to the problem. the cause is the government's way of using military and young people with money to control the citizens by force. nowadays in Korea people get caught by the police if they draw or write anything bad about the current government in public, and it is illegal for even a normal size group of people to meet in certain grounds because the gov't is that suspicious
tokee1234567 9 months ago
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wasabi622 9 months ago
@wasabi622 retard. chinks = stereotype against chinese. donno why you give a shit and make yourself look like a retard here. go comment on some japanese food video or something since your nickname has the word WASABI on it.
tokee1234567 9 months ago
@tokee1234567 Sorry, zipper head, didn't mean to offend ya there. BTW, Dokdo is Japanese land.
wasabi622 9 months ago
@wasabi622 yet, you use the Korean name for the island. how ironic and retarded.
tokee1234567 9 months ago
@tokee1234567 I thought it would help you understand better, Kim Jong Il.
wasabi622 9 months ago
@wasabi622 Racism is the epitome of ignorance and I do not tolerate racial slurs on my channel. Period.
Sorry to say, I have no choice but to block you. Please find a more constructive way of venting your frustration in the future. I truly hope you find happiness and enlightenment along with maturity. Peace.
GreenEggsAndHamster 9 months ago
@GreenEggsAndHamster
Well done, Green Eggs! :)
thepalacemaid 2 weeks ago
@thepalacemaid Thanks! We all need to do our part. =)
GreenEggsAndHamster 2 weeks ago
This brings up alot of questions about societal structures today. I mean I don't think riot is the answer to anything. The riot police are doing what they are told to do. In the end the rioters aren't doing anything but hurting their own ppl. The ppl at the top are controlling and calling the shots. This brings me to ask another question. Is this our future? When ppl oppose the views of the government (or majority), will this be the response of the government?
waterflowzz 9 months ago
@waterflowzz We live in societies that are "democratic" governments, a society where "majority rules" but does that type of government really work? corrupt governments will always exist. As seen with Hitler and his campaign to wipe out the Jews, can we say it really works? Sure we can say Germany was not based off of a "democratic" government at the time but more of an autocratic type government but nonetheless, Hitler did have the support of the majority or else he wouldn't have gotten far..
waterflowzz 9 months ago
@waterflowzz What I'm trying to say is that the government can always brainwash the masses into thinking one way. They already do, through the media and education system. When the masses are brainwashed into thinking a certain way the government can always do what they want without opposition.
waterflowzz 9 months ago
@waterflowzz It's like someone is leading the herd of sheep to jump off the cliff and we all follow and some of us know it's not the right way but follow anyways. With a democratic government system we have to think with the mentality that majority is always right but we know that the majority isn't always right. I guess it is inevitable.
waterflowzz 9 months ago
@waterflowzz I agree. People are conditioned by powerful forces via the media and advertising. The majority nowadays is far from correct; it is ignorant, misinformed, and concerned only with material nonsense. And for those of us that aren't just "sheeple", our governments are there to force us into submission through oppressive, militarized force. Rest assured, the riot police didn't win this fight. Those poor men were victimized just as badly. Only the corporate and political elites won.
GreenEggsAndHamster 9 months ago
@waterflowzz The future is now. Democracy only works when there is a knowledgeable and informed public. So people need to do their own research, arrive at their own conclusions, and live their lives in accordance with what's right instead of what's popular. We must personally reject primitive methods of affecting change such as riots, violent suppression, voting for elite politicians, and being slaves to corporate masters. All of that nonsense is irrelevant. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
GreenEggsAndHamster 9 months ago
I think the problems lies not with the police but with the people. They just seem to protest and riot and the slightest whim, and since so many of them do turn violent, can you blame the cops for coming in force and ready to fight?
I think in this case the cops were very smart, coming in mass numbers. That way, simply scaring them would suffice, whereas if there are less cops than protesters, the protesters can get arrogant and start fighting.
wasabi622 10 months ago
@wasabi622 I respect your view, but I find the tactics used by both sides to be flawed. A vast majority of the people were peaceful, however, the 5% of violent ones did indeed justify the police response. On the other hand, when citizens are confronted by a militarized army of police for demonstrating, that also has negative effects on society and patriotism. Maybe that's why no one attacked the regular police, but violence did happen after the riot police arrived. Thank you for your comment.
GreenEggsAndHamster 9 months ago
@GreenEggsAndHamster I didn't realize that.. I guess it really does depend on both parties. Perhaps if only the regular police were present and the riot police stayed out the situation could've resolved itself. On the other hand though, from the police perspective, deterrence is probably preferable to taking the risk of a riot occurring.
Tricky situation. Hard to say which is the best method.
wasabi622 9 months ago
@wasabi622 riot at the slightest whim? do you live in Korea and know what kind of situations those people are facing? Koreans normally do not stand up like that unless they're really provoked and agitated. they mean business when they stand up like that. current government is non-commoner/citizen friendly and it's put a lot of small stores out of business, students can't get loans easily and tuition is increasing yearly.. there's a lot of issues, and the lack of gov't addressing it lead to this.
tokee1234567 9 months ago
@tokee1234567 I used to, I am a Korean, and I base my opinion off of what I hear from my family and friends in Korea. I understand that they're going through hard times, as we are here in the US as well. But it doesn't mean that they can decided to break the law and turn to violence, when in the long run, it only worsens the situation. All the damage they cause? Guess who has to pay for it? They do. The people who are losing their jobs and can't earn money have to cough up the money to pay.
wasabi622 9 months ago
@wasabi622 it's not breaking the law. people have rights to proclaim and protest for their rights in a democratic country. Do you think people break laws in France where protests happen all the time?? People resort to violence because their words are not being heard, and sometimes it's the police that attacks first and threatens people to back off. People are already paying for all the stuff they damage. Koreans pay a hell load of taxes and most of the taxes aren't being used properly anyways
tokee1234567 9 months ago
@tokee1234567 This one shown is tame, hardly a riot. Others include violence, destruction of property, assaulting officers, and using deadly weapons(make shift flame thrower with a propane tank, throwing makeshift javelins, etc). That is, in fact, illegal. Besides, what are you basing your judgments on? Are you Korean, or live in Korea? As you said, people are paying for the damages, yet if they have no money, why continually force themselves to pay up what little they have?
wasabi622 9 months ago
@wasabi622 I'm Korean and I lived in Korea but also spent a good deal of time In Canada and a couple yrs at the US. weapons or not, the reason why people act like that is because their opinion is not heard. the gov't continually ignores the opinion of the people and force their policies through. esp since the conservative party (president's party) is anti-citizen/commoner. How about you? are you Korean? do you live there? Do you have any idea what people go through over there?
tokee1234567 9 months ago
@tokee1234567 I.. I already answered that question, and you've already said exactly that before. o.O
I'm not saying that them being ignored is the right thing, but just that rioting probably isn't the best means of getting things done. I understand their frustration, but beating up policemen really isn't going to get things done. The police are people just like them, only that their job is different. They're men with families to feed and bills to pay. Attacking cops just isn't right.
wasabi622 9 months ago
@wasabi622 you obviously are not Korean. a lot of these people in black armour and shields are not really policemen. they're usually the military men (korean men have mandatory military service during ages 20 to mid 20's) being used as a shield to control the protesters, or youngsters that are paid a lot of money to do this. and a lot of common people get hurt too, probably a lot more than the police because the police use actual stuff that hurts people. cops aren't meant to attack people either
tokee1234567 9 months ago
@tokee1234567 Damn.. you caught me. I'm actually CPT. Malcolm Reynolds.. I managed to get some wi-fi on Serenity, so I thought I might pretend to be Korean on youtube. You know, fun stuff like that.
wasabi622 9 months ago
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tokee1234567 9 months ago
who were they and what were they protesting about?
truesky00 10 months ago
@truesky00 The protesters were mostly students, teachers, and working-class people. This was on Worker's Day (May 1st), so they demonstrated for worker's rights and stopping corporate monopolies. Thank you for watching and for the question.
GreenEggsAndHamster 10 months ago
fucking heaps of fascist riot police! how undemocratic! Cops outnumber the protesters!
Stalinist North and anti-communist fascistic USA sponsored south korea are fucked.
AntifaAustralia 1 year ago
But I think it's not right to make assumption for either sides when you haven't been in any situations in real life. I have been in the side of riot police and I was often confused and not happy with the press in showing not the completely true scenes of riots on the news.
lildazed 1 year ago
Thank you so much for your comments, lildazed! That is exactly the points I wanted to make with this video. Riot police are people too, and they are just doing their job. Police should not be attacked. I object to violence by either side because it doesn't improve anything.
GreenEggsAndHamster 1 year ago
I've been in the riot police squad in Korea for the last two years and all I can say is that we get trained to protect the protesters and when they get violent we have to defend ourselves. It often seems to me that it's the protesters those turn up with steel pipes and glass bottles filled with acid and all sorts of things like huge bamboo sticks with sharp edges,,
I can say the riot scene is crazy in Korea at the moment and am not proud of it.
lildazed 1 year ago
korean police is too much
but the police is also human.
most of them looks like early 20s.
nice video, great music, thank you for sharing this.
MaharGalic 2 years ago
Hi MaharGalic!
Great comment! I agree completely. Thanks for watching!
GreenEggsAndHamster 2 years ago
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thought in clear form.
Albert Einstein
irreverentreverend 2 years ago
Great quote! My favorite from him is, "I cannot imagine a god that would judge his own creations." Einstein was a genius.
GreenEggsAndHamster 2 years ago
It seems to me that in the majority of cases violence is instigated not by the protesters but by the opposition. This was often true during the civil rights marches and many anti-war demonstrations of the '60's.
Apparently the powers that be haven't taken the John Nash approach to conflict resolution to heart.
C'est le guerre!
irreverentreverend 2 years ago
Well said, rev, very well said. Thanks for watching and for the enlightening comment.
GreenEggsAndHamster 2 years ago
Great video. It's amazing how many officers they use to contain the people.
BenjaminLeePalmer 2 years ago
Yeah, it was a surreal experience. Very intimidating. Funny, I don't think the Republican national convention in Minneapolis was much different.
GreenEggsAndHamster 2 years ago
Are police states necessary? No. The protest was peaceful and that kind of police response usually only provokes violence. Left alone, the crowd would have dispersed on its own within a few hours. As for violence, sometimes a violent revolution can have a positive result but more often it's counter-productive.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
While the protest wasn't exactly peaceful, I agree with the rest of your very intelligent response, Mudbrooker. Isn't it about time we evolve?
GreenEggsAndHamster 2 years ago
It could have gone a lot worse for the protesters. They were already penned in by the buildings before the police arrived, not a good place to be when facing opponants you know are going to be armed.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
Of course it could have been worse, but that's not the point of the video. I want to inspire the questions: 1) are police states really necessary and 2) is violence, on either side, really effective at creating positive change in the world. What do you think?
Thanks for commenting, Mudbrooker!.
GreenEggsAndHamster 2 years ago