I hope you feel better, I know its probably not possible. I wonder if you can tell us what exactly was done in your procedure. If it was removal, to what extent and so on. Cilia are tiny little "sweepers" on the surface of the turbs - they keep moving for a certain time even after we die. How can a doctor remove such an obviously important structure that has evolved over millions of years. Be careful with your bodies, learn what you can, make educated decisions and good luck.
When he responded "Whats the risk of riding a car". I would have decided after that to NOT see that doctor. Please believe in yourself, people and respect yourself enough to know when someone is being a moron and being inappropriate with you. Another lady with ENS was told to stop asking asking silly questions and stop interrupting the doctor. She too did not decide to not see that doctor. Thats the least you can do - stay away from people who have obvious emotional(& professional) dysfunction.
My ENT didn't even tell me what type of surgery, just nasal surgery and that their doing a study on the positive effects. Makes me wonder if he's not telling the full story. I don't know if I want them to mess with my nose.
Which stupid surgeon suggested there was no harm to remove the turbinate? Surgeon was also stupid to remove tonsil to treat the inflammatory condition of tonsil leading to severe side effect of the respiratory system. Why alway so stupid to remove the useful body tissue to cure the illness which in fact a stupid act? But didn't know to strike a balance?
I've tried this. I've used cold pressed grapeseed oil. I used to use petroleum jelly or Carmex but according to Wikipedia it can cause lipid pneumonia, (only for mineral based oil). And also I've been applying Comfrey ointment, since Comfrey is called the great bone/tissue knitter. I've also making my own saline solution. Both my saline and grapeseed oil I mixed with a drop of peppermint per 2 tsp of carrier water or oil. It helps in the dryness and the feelings of "empty".
i think i also suffer from this I live in peru and I fell very desesperated and would feel really good if some of you guys that know what to do could give some tips to improve my lyfe quality i suffer from the same symptons that you have afeter i had a cauterization that i had a year ago please send messages and i'll leave you my e mail
i am so sorry. i had surgery on my sinus about a month ago it seems ok but sometomes i wonder i can breath very well and they told me that they didtrim my bottom turbinate but not remove it just a trim. I am getting scarred watching this video. Should I be scared. My nose gets dry and It feels wierd but i can smell and breath. I have ear symptoms too. But i had those before my surgery in fact after my surgery my ears stopped ringing.
I know what its like had cautery to turbinates and submucous resection a month ago.
Kathy this may not seem connected but in a general feeling better sense looking into We Want To Live a book by Aajonus Vonderplanitz may help in other areas. Perhaps eating in such a way may help if even a little, that is what I'm investigating at the moment and hoping to implement in the future if possible.
I have ENS after the surgery about 30 years ago. I feel extremely dry, itches and throbbing pain inside my nose.Methods which helps me most is 20 minutes steam bath(I put a pot with water with a lot of cayenne paper on the stove and coveing my face under a blanket with the water almost boiling) two times a day plus herbal diets and meditation. I am going to instal HRV with hepa filter in my house, which I think it would provide my nose with better air going throuth my nose.
hi im due to have a septoplasty procedure performed and have read about empty nose syndrome. can anybody tell me why this happens and fill me in about symptoms treatments etc. thanks
OK, I have a deviated septum and have watched several of these "ENS" videos and I still don't know what, exactly, the symptoms of ENS are. Do you people feel pain when breathing in or something? Everyone in these videos say they have contemplated suicide. Something smells fishy here. Are you trying to build a case for lawsuits?
Doctors who do this surgery are not good doctors or good people, even. The medical journals condemn this surgery! I went to a doctor for a septoplasty and ended up with the bridge of my nose broken, the tip of my nose collapsed, and the inside of my nose reamed out. I had to pay for my own plastic surgery, which will never restore my face or function ($10,000) and it cost me another $15,000. out of pocket to fight in Court, but I was intimidated into signing off. LOSS LOSS LOSS
The feel I have is extremely dry air, itch and throbbing pain inside nose as long as you inhale and exhale. I can not do efficiently and no prescribed medicines has any effect on it. I was not able to secure a job for more than three weeks simply because I can not wori efficiently.
I asked my doctor about empty nose syndrome and he said that he won't mess with the turbinates in my nose, so I believe it exists, now. I used to run track outdoors in New England winters and breathing in cold, dry air even with healthy sinuses was painful so I can't imagine what it would be like without proper nasal lining and turbinates.
He sounds like a good doc. tell him he has a responbility to stop the other ents from doing this. What happens is there a portion of ents who know the real risk so they almost never touch the turbinates, and if they do they use submucosal resection and only when the turbinate is a certain shape. In order to sue those other ents who destroy peoples lives, you need these ents to testify but they dont. so the public is at the mercy of the butchers. So much suffering and the world sleeps.
If you get your septum fixed, be sure the doc doesn't over-resect it: it will collapse the tip of your nose. Be sure your don't sign anything that says "turbinectomy" because they can take out too much. Symptoms are: severe dryness, scabs in the nose, intolerance to cold air with brain freeze headaches. Choking at night with a sense that the throat is collapsing, and watery leakage from the nose when tired. My nose was broken, collapsed and gutted, but I couldn't sue....
Thank you so much for your courage in making this video. I think we need to add more tags to the ENS videos. Such as "sinus" "deviated septum" "ENT" "Nose Job". It would people discover this problem a little easier and make more informative decisions. Thanks so much.
Turbinectomies are terrible life wrecking procedures. Ear Nose and Throat specialists must stop and reasses. Empty Nose Syndrome is "allive and well" and it is the moral obligation of ENTs to research ENS and find ways to cure it.
Turbinectomies are terrible life wrecking procedures. Ear Nose and Throat specialists must stop and reasses. Empty Nose Syndrome is "allive and well" and it is the moral obligation of ENTs to research ENS and find ways to cure it.
ENT doctors already know that radical turbinecomies are condemned by their own medical journals. They know the research, and very few ENT doctors do them. The question is who will protect consumers from the doctors who do them?
its not just radical turbinectomies, many ent doctors think since they did not remove the whole turbinate, everythings fine. they are even taught if they dont touch the mucosa everything is fine. they will say things like they removed the non physiologic portion of the turbinate, as if there is such a thing the non physiologic portion. I had my turbinates cauterized and i suffer so much its incredible. the ent community will then tell you its psychological because whats the alternative for them
did you present with any definitive atrophy or visible physical change? Aside from the sensation? I had a radiofrequency ablative reduction done on my turbinates, with an outfracture -- the docs say it looks fine, but it doesnt feel right, its too dry. Its been a year too...
Thank you for your courageous and moving testimonial. I could relate to many of your symptoms, and I will keep hoping and praying that you feel better or at least experience some relief from the worst of your symptoms. You are not alone in your suffering, as your experiences unfortunately mirrors that of myself and many others; ENS is truly a devastating problem. I hope many watch your video and learn the importance of ENS and why we need help....
Thank you for your testimony. I continue to suffer exceedingly too. Turbinate reduction of most of my inferior turbinates etc. Dr Houser does not accept my insurance. I too am trusting in God for answers. It truly is a real PHYSICAL suffering. The medical community is very apathetic.I am trusting in Jesus for healing either thru His divine intervention or thru a ENT He will provide. God bless! Please feel free to reply to me. I have spoken with Valerie too. ENS MUST be exposed w/TRUTH!GOD knows!
Thanks for sharing your experience. What Kathleen describes is not unique! This is very important to understand! It happens to many people as a result of ENT surgery by ENT Doctors and unfortunately it is continuing. Many ENTs wont even acknowledge it (for various reasons). Thanks to Chris Martin, Allon (TE), emptynosesyndrome dot org, and all the ENT Doctors worlwide (yes there are some thankfully) that are decent enough to accept this devastating problem and how the profession is responsible.
I hope you feel better, I know its probably not possible. I wonder if you can tell us what exactly was done in your procedure. If it was removal, to what extent and so on. Cilia are tiny little "sweepers" on the surface of the turbs - they keep moving for a certain time even after we die. How can a doctor remove such an obviously important structure that has evolved over millions of years. Be careful with your bodies, learn what you can, make educated decisions and good luck.
kenny5822 1 month ago
When he responded "Whats the risk of riding a car". I would have decided after that to NOT see that doctor. Please believe in yourself, people and respect yourself enough to know when someone is being a moron and being inappropriate with you. Another lady with ENS was told to stop asking asking silly questions and stop interrupting the doctor. She too did not decide to not see that doctor. Thats the least you can do - stay away from people who have obvious emotional(& professional) dysfunction.
kenny5822 1 month ago
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loveperpetua 1 month ago
guess i´d chose my legs too
R0YE0NE 4 months ago
never trust surgeons, do your own research first, al they wana do is cut u up and get paid - very risky
E61474 8 months ago
Oh god you poor, poor thing! How are you these days?! Did you sue the surgeon?
fankhauser99 8 months ago
My ENT didn't even tell me what type of surgery, just nasal surgery and that their doing a study on the positive effects. Makes me wonder if he's not telling the full story. I don't know if I want them to mess with my nose.
strafer 11 months ago
Thank you for spreading awareness on this.
I just had a septoplasty and turbinectomy and your story scares me but I hope my condition gets better.
GetTheHook 1 year ago
Which stupid surgeon suggested there was no harm to remove the turbinate? Surgeon was also stupid to remove tonsil to treat the inflammatory condition of tonsil leading to severe side effect of the respiratory system. Why alway so stupid to remove the useful body tissue to cure the illness which in fact a stupid act? But didn't know to strike a balance?
linkcar1 1 year ago
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linkcar1 1 year ago
I've tried this. I've used cold pressed grapeseed oil. I used to use petroleum jelly or Carmex but according to Wikipedia it can cause lipid pneumonia, (only for mineral based oil). And also I've been applying Comfrey ointment, since Comfrey is called the great bone/tissue knitter. I've also making my own saline solution. Both my saline and grapeseed oil I mixed with a drop of peppermint per 2 tsp of carrier water or oil. It helps in the dryness and the feelings of "empty".
lizzydizzylizzy1 1 year ago
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carlsjohn 2 years ago
i think i also suffer from this I live in peru and I fell very desesperated and would feel really good if some of you guys that know what to do could give some tips to improve my lyfe quality i suffer from the same symptons that you have afeter i had a cauterization that i had a year ago please send messages and i'll leave you my e mail
antonyath 2 years ago
i am so sorry. i had surgery on my sinus about a month ago it seems ok but sometomes i wonder i can breath very well and they told me that they didtrim my bottom turbinate but not remove it just a trim. I am getting scarred watching this video. Should I be scared. My nose gets dry and It feels wierd but i can smell and breath. I have ear symptoms too. But i had those before my surgery in fact after my surgery my ears stopped ringing.
rickj505 2 years ago
I know what its like had cautery to turbinates and submucous resection a month ago.
Kathy this may not seem connected but in a general feeling better sense looking into We Want To Live a book by Aajonus Vonderplanitz may help in other areas. Perhaps eating in such a way may help if even a little, that is what I'm investigating at the moment and hoping to implement in the future if possible.
Sobanski87 2 years ago
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BaileyLush 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
her sounds just like sara paylen yo!!
homeboy25327 2 years ago
I woke up vomiting blood 2. Lol good times.
BaileyLush 2 years ago
turbinectomy is death, think about it...
carlsjohn 2 years ago
you can get implants in your nose that redirect airflow and eradicate ENS ask your doctor if they perform this surgery
I am not a doctor just someone who knows a lot about the nose stay strong stay bright I have also commented on other peoples ENS videos on here
wookie08 3 years ago
I have ENS after the surgery about 30 years ago. I feel extremely dry, itches and throbbing pain inside my nose.Methods which helps me most is 20 minutes steam bath(I put a pot with water with a lot of cayenne paper on the stove and coveing my face under a blanket with the water almost boiling) two times a day plus herbal diets and meditation. I am going to instal HRV with hepa filter in my house, which I think it would provide my nose with better air going throuth my nose.
nasri2020 3 years ago
hi im due to have a septoplasty procedure performed and have read about empty nose syndrome. can anybody tell me why this happens and fill me in about symptoms treatments etc. thanks
newt2805 3 years ago
OK, I have a deviated septum and have watched several of these "ENS" videos and I still don't know what, exactly, the symptoms of ENS are. Do you people feel pain when breathing in or something? Everyone in these videos say they have contemplated suicide. Something smells fishy here. Are you trying to build a case for lawsuits?
dbonanno 3 years ago
yeah and all the people that went and actually committed suicide were committed to the lawsuits.
Ilikepeaches1 3 years ago
Doctors who do this surgery are not good doctors or good people, even. The medical journals condemn this surgery! I went to a doctor for a septoplasty and ended up with the bridge of my nose broken, the tip of my nose collapsed, and the inside of my nose reamed out. I had to pay for my own plastic surgery, which will never restore my face or function ($10,000) and it cost me another $15,000. out of pocket to fight in Court, but I was intimidated into signing off. LOSS LOSS LOSS
lturkisher 3 years ago
The feel I have is extremely dry air, itch and throbbing pain inside nose as long as you inhale and exhale. I can not do efficiently and no prescribed medicines has any effect on it. I was not able to secure a job for more than three weeks simply because I can not wori efficiently.
nasri2020 3 years ago
I asked my doctor about empty nose syndrome and he said that he won't mess with the turbinates in my nose, so I believe it exists, now. I used to run track outdoors in New England winters and breathing in cold, dry air even with healthy sinuses was painful so I can't imagine what it would be like without proper nasal lining and turbinates.
dbonanno 3 years ago
He sounds like a good doc. tell him he has a responbility to stop the other ents from doing this. What happens is there a portion of ents who know the real risk so they almost never touch the turbinates, and if they do they use submucosal resection and only when the turbinate is a certain shape. In order to sue those other ents who destroy peoples lives, you need these ents to testify but they dont. so the public is at the mercy of the butchers. So much suffering and the world sleeps.
Ilikepeaches1 2 years ago
If you get your septum fixed, be sure the doc doesn't over-resect it: it will collapse the tip of your nose. Be sure your don't sign anything that says "turbinectomy" because they can take out too much. Symptoms are: severe dryness, scabs in the nose, intolerance to cold air with brain freeze headaches. Choking at night with a sense that the throat is collapsing, and watery leakage from the nose when tired. My nose was broken, collapsed and gutted, but I couldn't sue....
lturkisher 3 years ago
Thank you so much for your courage in making this video. I think we need to add more tags to the ENS videos. Such as "sinus" "deviated septum" "ENT" "Nose Job". It would people discover this problem a little easier and make more informative decisions. Thanks so much.
Spacetimefabric 3 years ago
Turbinectomies are terrible life wrecking procedures. Ear Nose and Throat specialists must stop and reasses. Empty Nose Syndrome is "allive and well" and it is the moral obligation of ENTs to research ENS and find ways to cure it.
lonny1970 3 years ago
Turbinectomies are terrible life wrecking procedures. Ear Nose and Throat specialists must stop and reasses. Empty Nose Syndrome is "allive and well" and it is the moral obligation of ENTs to research ENS and find ways to cure it.
lonny1970 3 years ago
ENT doctors already know that radical turbinecomies are condemned by their own medical journals. They know the research, and very few ENT doctors do them. The question is who will protect consumers from the doctors who do them?
lturkisher 3 years ago
its not just radical turbinectomies, many ent doctors think since they did not remove the whole turbinate, everythings fine. they are even taught if they dont touch the mucosa everything is fine. they will say things like they removed the non physiologic portion of the turbinate, as if there is such a thing the non physiologic portion. I had my turbinates cauterized and i suffer so much its incredible. the ent community will then tell you its psychological because whats the alternative for them
Ilikepeaches1 3 years ago
did you present with any definitive atrophy or visible physical change? Aside from the sensation? I had a radiofrequency ablative reduction done on my turbinates, with an outfracture -- the docs say it looks fine, but it doesnt feel right, its too dry. Its been a year too...
Peaceseeker2013 2 years ago
Same here Peaceseeker. It's beeen about 2 years for me.
BaileyLush 2 years ago
Dear Kathy,
Thank you for your courageous and moving testimonial. I could relate to many of your symptoms, and I will keep hoping and praying that you feel better or at least experience some relief from the worst of your symptoms. You are not alone in your suffering, as your experiences unfortunately mirrors that of myself and many others; ENS is truly a devastating problem. I hope many watch your video and learn the importance of ENS and why we need help....
Sincerely,
Chris Martin
emptynose 3 years ago
Thank you for your testimony. I continue to suffer exceedingly too. Turbinate reduction of most of my inferior turbinates etc. Dr Houser does not accept my insurance. I too am trusting in God for answers. It truly is a real PHYSICAL suffering. The medical community is very apathetic.I am trusting in Jesus for healing either thru His divine intervention or thru a ENT He will provide. God bless! Please feel free to reply to me. I have spoken with Valerie too. ENS MUST be exposed w/TRUTH!GOD knows!
JohnPiperBoots 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. What Kathleen describes is not unique! This is very important to understand! It happens to many people as a result of ENT surgery by ENT Doctors and unfortunately it is continuing. Many ENTs wont even acknowledge it (for various reasons). Thanks to Chris Martin, Allon (TE), emptynosesyndrome dot org, and all the ENT Doctors worlwide (yes there are some thankfully) that are decent enough to accept this devastating problem and how the profession is responsible.
nicksattube 3 years ago