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  • Hey guys, I wrote this 100,000 word book with the best arguments I can put together and put it out as cheap as can be so I wouldn't have to go on responding again and again to the same old anti Christian slogans. I have no obligation or time to continue ad naeseam et ad infinitum to respond to routine cut and paste Dicky Dawkins cliches and quips I've heard 1,000 times before. Take it or leave it, your eternal destiny is your responsibility, not mine.

    kind regards.

  • Whats the argument, your faith is true because you have faith it is ?

  • @groovyengineer 'Whats the argument, your faith is true because you have faith it is ? '

    this statement is about as far away from what I have actually written as I can imagine. Just goes to show how hard it is to engage someone with an argument that points to a conclusion which they profoundly wish to avoid. Which is my argument here, that you can be wrong while believing your evidence proves you right. Regards

  • @stephenhayesuk Sexual lust works great when looking for a mate.

  • @Boyntonstu 'Sexual lust works great when looking for a mate.'

    tell that to abused women and abandoned children.

  • @stephenhayesuk There would not be children without sexual lust.

    Is divorce a sin? (According to the NT, Jesus said yes.)

  • @Boyntonstu you wrote 'There would not be children without sexual lust.

    Is divorce a sin? (According to the NT, Jesus said yes.)'

    sexual desire is not the same as lust. A man and woman can agree to live together in faithful partnership, including highly satisfying sex, and raise children. Lust is about self gratification without commitment, regardless of the needs and rights of the other person.

    Jesus rightly forbade divorce. God hates divorce, it harms people especially children

  • @stephenhayesuk Are you writing a new dictionary?

    Lust is an emotional force that is directly associated with the thinking or fantasizing about one's desire, usually in a sexual way.[1]

    Examples of LUST

    He was consumed by lust.

    He was driven by a lust for power.

    Lust for chocolate drew her into the candy store.

    Related to LUST

    Synonyms: ardor, concupiscence, eros, eroticism, horniness, itch, lustfulness, passion

  • @stephenhayesuk Or, you could be one of the two in your senerio.

  • Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not commit adultery. 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27,28)

  • @Boyntonstu Jesus did indeed warn us against sexual lust, and what a better world it would be if we all took his wise advice! I have written about the high and heavy cost of sexual chaos in the book. Sexually transmitted disease including AIDS, rape as a weapon of war, abortion, abandonment, fatherless children, lonely people-what excellent laws God has given us for our own good. And what a mess we make when we reject them!

  • Hi everyone, thanks for all the comments. So far I haven't heard any new objections to the faith or heard any of my arguments defeated. I have a daytime job and other interests so can't budget time to respond to all. Besides, as I said, some of us (and opponents must believe this of me) listen to the truth but CANNOT HEAR IT. That is why I have written 100,000 words of carefully reasoned argument and evidence. You don't have to read it, but I won't be drawn into interminable slogan ping pong.

  • Google "Extrabiblical Witnesses to Jesus before 200 a.d." pretty well written. I guess I am not able to find the copy of Jeusalem today with the crucifixion with color photographs and headlined by a reporter you know to be reliable. Records tell us that those closest to Jesus travelled far and wide telling there story by word of mouth to people that were aware of Jesus and all the recent details. IT is not unreasonable that they might have switched from verbal to written as they aged.

  • You are supposing that if we don't have a copy today that it wasn't written. I wonder if you have ever heard of the foxfire series of books? Basically the books which have nothing to do with this subject matter, but they were written to perserve the knowledge from the elderly that were dying off in Appalachia in America. Comparing 9/11 to the crucifiction is nonsense since we now have video, news choppers,etc. Raising from the dead and walking on water is why the story was perserved

  • @JohnnyTPaul

    You think that god impregnating a women to give birth to god so god could die in order for god to forgive humans is compelling and meaningful?

  • @Boyntonstu this is a seperate issue of whether Jesus lived and died. Yes I do find it compelling and meaningful while the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus is indeed the good news, it didn't take place in a vaccum. The work of Jesus adresses law, justice, mercy, and holiness. These exist outside of the human experience. You have anthropomorphised God; there isn't any reason to think that he would do things as a man does them.

  • @JohnnyTPaul What the NT says about Jesus:

    Jesus being such a servile coward with the Roman Centurion.

    Being such a vile abuser and humiliator of the poor Phoenician woman.

    Being racist and calling gentiles Dogs

    Telling people not to worry abut the future and not to work because they will be provided for by some imaginary sky daddy.

    Denying his family.

    Verbally abusing his mother.

    Verbally abusing his mother and father at the age of 12

    continued:

  • @Boyntonstu Going around performing magic tricks to bamboozle people into believing that he is god.

    Conspiring with his friend Lazarus to pretend to be dead so that he can pretend to raise him from the dead in order to huckster people.

    Making people believe in demonic possession and exorcisms

    Making people believe that infirmity and diseases and illness are due to sins

    Telling a man that he has to leave his dead father without a burial.

  • @Boyntonstu Telling a man that he needs to give away all his possessions and go around begging

    Telling people that they do not need to wash their hands before eating.

    Telling people that they need to gouge out their eyes and cut off their hands.....even if that is metaphorical it means to shun and ostracize people.

    Telling people that they cannot build on sand when all they have over there is sand...

    Telling people that they cannot divorce.... this is a vile vile command

  • @Boyntonstu Telling people that looking at women is a sin ... this is my biggest objection..

    Deceiving people that the end of the world is neigh

    Telling people that they should hate their family for his sake

    Telling people that familial strife is what he wants them to do....but not a bad idea I think

    Going around insulting the Jews

    Telling people that slaves are lower than the masters

  • @Boyntonstu Telling people to bring people and kill them under his feet for not agreeing with him

    Telling people that prayer works

    Telling people that if they do not agree with him they are worthless and will be tortured for ever

  • @Boyntonstu You have gone from claiming Jesus never existed to attacking him at nearly every turn he made. I think that it is mostly because when we compare ourselves to him it makes us realize how vile we are. You oversimplify some things, for instance Jesus never said that looking at a woman is sin, nor did he say that people should hate there family for his sake. 

  • @Boyntonstu I think you have some bad information or else you feel threatened by him. Perhaps if you get to know him here he will be a good friend later. Sorry but I guess their is little more I can add to the conversation so best of luck to you. I trust that if you are interested in genuine inquiry that God will reveal himself to you.

  • @Boyntonstu you have many harsh things to say against the Lord of creation, who at the time of writing is still holding out the free offer of forgiveness and eternal life to the humble and penitent.

    its your call. You won't be so full of piss and vinegar on the day you stand before his throne of judgment.

  • @Boyntonstu While it is easy to think that an all powerful God could have just gone zap and fixed everything, he is restrained by justice. Treason demands punishment even if you love the traitor. Part of the equation when God impregnated a woman to give birth to God is that when he did so birth was also given to a man. This man was under the law just like the rest of us. God demanded this man be just, right, and holy too.

  • @Boyntonstu If you are interested much can be learned about God's law and Justice by reading his Revelation to John. It tells of how his courts of law function and described in detail how important the birth and death of Jesus were to the satisfaction of the just punishment of treason.

  • @JohnnyTPaul A friend gave me a set of Foxfire books which I treasure. Your point is well made.

    The reductionist hypercriticism of Dawkins and friends goes way beyond honest scepticism and enquiry. Imagine someone meeting Dawkins in the street in Oxford and saying 'Good morning'-cue for Dawkins to fly into a rage saying 'What the hell do you mean by good? How do you know its morning? show me the EVIDENCE!!!!'

    If folks choose to 'reason' selectively like this they fulfil John 3:19-20

  • @stephenhayesuk Too true. I'm not sure where I read it, but it might have been your book. That "salvation is not easy it is just simple". It is a hard thing to admit the evil in ourselves, and the natural thing to do is flee the light.

    Speaking of Dawkins I just read in the paper over hear that he decided he is not certian that God doesn't exist. Perhaps a shread of intellectual honesty.

  • You acept the idea that a person in the 110 waited about 70 years to write about events that occurred in his pre-teens?

    9/11/2001 Let's wait until the year 2070 to record what we saw on 9/11/2001.

    "Today we consider the past 500 years to be "modern history". "

    How many folks rose from the dead and walked on water in the last 500 years?

  • Today we consider the past 500 years to be "modern history". That would indicate things written all the way up until 500 AD would have been contemporary history of the era in which Jesus lived. Appeals to some unrealistic idea of what kind of proof would be needed are just excuses people make to soothe there conscience. Real people testified in writing "we really did see Jesus alive", but as Jesus himself said even if someone came from the dead and told you these things you wouldn't believe.

  • There is consistent evidence that Jesus was crucified 33-36 AD. Adult at that time would have been dead by about 110 AD. So strictly speaking anything written by 110 AD could have been written BY a contemporary of Jesus Christ, and anything written by 150 AD would by VERY pertinant. There are many historical records of Jesus that are no further removed than we are from WW1. When people read about Jesus in early second century history books they still new who he was.

  • "(NT) constiting better evidence than for the life of, say, Julius Caesar."

    Gaius Julius Caesar[2] (Classical Latin: [ˈɡaː.i.ʊs ˈjuː.lɪ.ʊs ˈkaj.sar],[3] July 100 BC[4] – 15 March 44 BC)[5] was a Roman general and statesman and a distinguished writer of Latin prose. He played a critical role in the gradual transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire.

    In 60 BC, Caesar, Crassus and Pompey formed a political alliance that was to dominate Roman politics for several years.

  • PS I won't include your names, but your words will be copied verbatim under 'The Poisoned Wells of Debate.'

    by the way, is anyone here apart from me posting under their real name and identity?

  • Thanks for the additional hate posts, I already warned that they would be copied. There is an essay in the book called 'The Poisoned Wells of Debate' in which I discuss the common use of vile abuse, frequent change of tack, multiple simultaneous questions, repetition of unexamined slogans, non sequiturs and cheap sarcasm in order to prevent serious rational discussion taking place. You have given me enough matierial here to expand the chapter with abundant examples that speak for themselves.

  • In the Army we have a term for such people: Dwips.

  • Wow! Do you think Christians are dumb enough to buy anything from this loon?

  • I approve of this video. I'm a Christian criminal who steals millions from gullible, ignorant, unwashed cult morons, so I approve.

  • @RevKentHovind I got you beat! I murdered 8 people for Jesus and I also approve!

  • @JaredLeeLoughner2 'I got you beat! I murdered 8 people for Jesus...!'

    Dear sir, I don't have time or energy to respond to all of the jokers here, but as an example, you'll do. Nothing personal.

    I was wondering about the connection between Jared Loughner the dope head psycho, and Jesus, so I checked the Wikipedia entry. Nothing. Zilch. Quack.

    so here's a question for you. (A) can you produce any evidence that Loughner 'murdered for Jesus', or (B) are you a total wanker? RSVP SVP

  • It's the year 2012. How fucked up stupid do you have to be to still think you have gods? What an asshole.

  • @AnimalLiberationFron Hi. Thanks for a perfect example of content free meaningless abuse. You don't actually have the self knowledge or wit to recognise how much this kind of post supports my case, do you? Check out my deer butchery video.

  • The god stupidity is strong with this one.

  • Christians selling fraud to other Christians. I like it! If they prey upon each other, maybe they will leave normal people alone some day.

  • Period History books report Jesus as FACT see The Roman Tacitus, Philo of Alexandria, the Jewish Flavius Josephus. It is not new to feel threatened by Jesus Christ and his claim to be the Son of God. For 300 years 12 different Roman Emporers tried to destroy Christianity by Death (some emporers in this time did not) including Nero, Decius, Diocletian. In spite of historical persecution some 2000 years later, over 50 years more Chrisitans have been killed then under Rome.

  • @JohnnyTPaul

    The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate and the existence of early Christians (written ca. 116 AD), book 15, chapter 44.

    Yet Philo says not a word about Jesus, Christianity nor any of the events described in the New Testament.

    Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.[1][3]

    Any contemporary witnesses?

  • Nothing like being a lamb among wolves. See what happens when you threaten an athiest with the reality of a living God?  If there is any God athiesm is wrong. Atheism is a philosophical belief in reality in spite of comments like "no no no we don't believe anything". This is childhood math if you believe A, reality is B, A not equal to B . . . Thanks for writing the book Stephen. If it hadn't brought attack it would have been fluffy love and political correctness and not worth reading.

  • What facts do you have to prove the date that the first New Testament was written?

    Read Matthew 27:50-54.

    Why was Matthew the only writer to record the earthquake and the Zombie story?

    Why wasn't the earthquake recorded by any historian?

    Imagine seeing you dead relative walking into town, would you ask how it felt to be dead?

    Would you write about seeing the dead person alive?

    Do you believe in Unicorns? KJV has numerous mentions of unicorns.

    Thou Shall not Kill, true translation?

  • Thanks to all the haters who have posted here. I have copied and saved your comments so far and will incorporate them in a second edition of the book, especially the crude personal insults and the one about compulsory psychiatric medication of Christians. Been done before in the USSR.

    Got any more? Sorry I can't reply to you all personally, but if anything coherent emerges from the hate that I haven't already covered in the book, I'll add a new chapter.

    scary stuff, free speech.

  • "Christianity is reasonable"?

    Jesus loves you but if you do not love Him, He will burn you in the Lake of Fire for Eternity.

    (One, just produce a single historical record that Jesus lived, written between the year 1 and the year 70)

    If you were Jesus, would you like to return and see people wearing symbols of how you were tortured and executed by the State? Imagine tiny electric chairs worn on necklaces. had it happened in the early 20th Century.

  • @Boyntonstu Thanks. I have argued in the book why I believe that Christinity is reasonable. I can't find time to respond to every request here to repeat those arguments.

    But re your specific points, (A) there are many thousand copies of the New Testament going back to within a few decades of Jesus' earthly life, constiting better evidence than for the life of, say, Julius Caesar. And (B) I don't wear a cross but the death and resurrection of Jesus are at the centre of the faith, as I explain.

  • @Boyntonstu Sure! Christianity is reasonable -- if one is a violently insane cult savage with zero education.

  • @GlendoraLife Hi. again, thanks for supporting my case (you obviously haven't read any of my arguments or checked my CV) by posting irrational, inaccurate, unsupported, prejudiced nonsense slogans. I'd be surpsrised if you were better educated than me (science degree, Medicine since you ask), sane enough to be a popular lecturer, and non violent. So you are perfectly accurate in your description of me, apart from all the words you actually wrote.

  • Atheism isn't a world-view or a philosophy - its not having a God or gods..(Godless)

    I don't have a God. The only way my atheism could be "wrong" is if I had a god - and didn't know it. That idea doesn't make sense to me.

    I am not asserting that something doesn't exist - I assert I don't believe in any god or gods - whatever may or may not exist.

    Is the atheist in your book anything like me or is he the usual crude bogey-man?

  • @richo61 Thanks. The only way that atheism could be wrong would be if there was a God. Correct. I have set out in 2 dozen essays the reasons why I believe the evidence says there is a God. I can't summarise those arguments here, that's why I wrote a book.

    You say 'That idea doesn't make sense to me.' You have grasped my main point-we can be wrong while believing ourselves to be right. Its an uncomfortable idea, isn't it? Presumably you must believe that of me.

    kind regards

  • I may have to have a read and see what I think.

    (Although I doubt I will hear anything new - but you never know!)

    I am fascinated by belief in the divine although I don't seem capable of it myself.

    (I think a certain proportion of the human race just don't have the required brain module )

    Believers are like strange aliens that I cannot quite understand - although I have been trying for my whole life - since I was a kid.

    Humans are curious beings and I find them interesting.

    8-)

  • @richo61 Thanks for a civilised and thoughtful response Ricoh. I am throwing out culturally threatening ideas and questions, I may even be wrong (its happened before). I try to understand believers in Islam, atheism and evolution too. Above all I plead with my fellow men to consider that they may be mistaken and evaluate ALL the facts and allow that reality may not be what we might think or like it to be.

    as my good friend MBV so often says 'it is what it is' But what is it?

  • Christians look believe they can find "truth" in the bible, muslims believe that "truth" can be found in the Quran, and atheists listen to science and philosophy, but they don't find "truth" there, only descriptions of what science and philosophy look at. And what do science and philosophy look at? They look at REALITY, not in some old books written by people that were happy they could make fire.

  • This video is asinine, idiotic,l insulting, and wrong. Atheists do not "convert" people to anything. As for two of them being "wrong," atheists don't have an belief about the gods that can be "wrong." Sheeeish. And you expect to be taken seriously?

  • @Desertphile 'Atheists do not "convert" people to anything' Perhaps you should inform Richard Dawkins of this, since he specifically said that he wrote 'The God Delusion' in order to 'convert' theists to atheism.

    Do I expect to be taken seriously? As I have written in the book, I expect to be misrepresented and vilified. I choose to run that risk to make my arguments. If you call them 'occult riddled superstition' then you evidently haven't engaged with them. As is your choice.

    kind regards.

  • @stephenhayesuk ; "'Atheists do not "convert" people to anything"

    That is correct. Your occult superstitions have destroyed your ability to think clearly. There is nothing for atheists to "convert" people with. If you like, you could say atheists hope people recover from occultism and superstition, while you hope people do not, but that isn't a "conversion:" it's a recovery.

  • It's been done before, cult savages have never come up with a good excuse for pretending to have gods, and you've got the typical Christian IQ so you're unable to either. No offense.

  • @NotSoOldHippy ; Certainly paying $1 for occult-riddled superstition would be just, well, silly.

  • @Desertphile FFS spend the buck and read the book b4 you spew your venum. Dr. Hayes is a man of science...

  • @MadBadVoodo ; Dear idiot. Lunatics should be medicated, not listened to.

  • @Desertphile “Dear idiot”??? I may have given you more credit then you deserve… sad 

  • @Desertphile GOAL! if you read my book, you will discover that I suggest that he way things are going, Bible believing Christians may soon be classified as mentally ill and be forcibly medicated. The fact you just asserted the same thing is remarkable. A bit like an answer to prayer.

    I trust you won't mind me quoting you in the second edition? I assume you are not a Christian agent provocateur.

  • @stephenhayesuk ; Pay me and I will read your book. Until then, you are just one of tens of thousands of net.kooks who are utterly no different from each other. Demonstrate that you have something of value to say first, then people will pay you to read what you have to say. I don't waste my time on the mentally ill.

  • @Desertphile I'm not trying to sell anyone a book, I have written what I felt moved to write and made it available at the lowest possible price on the most widely available platform. You have accused me of trying to rob people and of being insane and needing medication.

    Jesus said to his disciples, if people don't want to listen, just move on. He also told his followers to expect foul, irrational, hating abuse. Thanks for being such a stereotype. Who needs straw men with examples like you?

  • @stephenhayesuk ; But there is zero evidence your occult superstitious writings are worth reading. See the problem?

  • @NotSoOldHippy 'you've got the typical Christian IQ so you're unable to either.'

    Thanks. I have written in the book about the typical insults, slogans, distractions and misrepresentations that atheists use to avoid facing the realities that burst their bubble.

    You have the right to be a stereotype.

    Kind regards

  • This looks awesome. Can't wait to download.

  • Why do you start out with the assumption that two have to be wrong? Why can't they all be right? A world that only accepts one way of accomplishing a task seems to be a world of decay. I suggest that your assumption is the problem not the different ways of interpreting mystery within the human experience.

    Your set up here does nothing to draw me in. My own assumption is that the writing is from a purely myopic view and you never put yourself in the shoes of the other, judging by your intro.

  • @markallen200 Thanks for commenting.

    In the story I imagine an athiest, Muslim and Christian each arguing the case for their versions of ultimate reality. The Muslim says 'Allah is God and Muhammad is his final prophet' the Christian says 'Jesus is God's son and final prophet' and the atheist says 'you're both wrong, there is no god'.

    I argue that these three conficting beliefs are incompatible so a maximum of one can be factually correct, the other 2 therefore must be false.

  • @stephenhayesuk I don't know. I don't visualize the world in black and white terms. To suggest an Ultimate Reality is to make the same assumption again, that there is only one correct reality. I see each culture as its own crucible, there in creating its own devices to explain the unexplainable. All three devices are valid to each culture so all three points are intrinsically correct. How can God explain to a Muslim or Atheist where that person comes from? God can't.

  • @stephenhayesuk ; "In the story I imagine an athiest, Muslim and Christian each arguing the case for their versions of ultimate reality."

    No. Atheists have no such thing as a "version of ultimate reality." Sheeeish.

  • @stephenhayesuk

    Why not all of them being wrong? If you had 100 different religions in the hut, there is just as much chance that none of them are right, because they are all based on myth & faith, & the christian view has no special validity just because it has a larger No. of believers.

    Is it likely that an entity who could make a universe by thought, would be so small-minded that it would torture it's creations for not believing in it's existence?

  • @markallen200 The reason they can't all be correct is as basic as math. If you don't use the proper formula in solving the equation you'll end up with the wrong answer for the test.

  • @markallen200 ; "Why do you start out with the assumption that two have to be wrong?"

    Since one (atheism) is neither right or wrong, only the two cultists can be either right or two. And the idiot who made this video is therefore correct: the two cultists are wrong--- and he wants to rob stupid people out of a dollar in the process.

  • @Desertphile Come on Desertphile you are a better man then that!!! sad

  • It is a great point to pause as Christians to make sure we are hearing.

  • ur not so nice xx

  • @haboobooster132 'ur not so nice xx'

    Thanks, I agree with you. But I try to tell the truth. The truth is not always nice.

    kind regards.

  • Speaking of miracles, I seam to recall CSLewis writing miracles as not outside of nature, but subject to a higher , -super- nature. A minor point. I do so admire the man' s writings.

  • "Christians having a reluctance to mention Satan"? Yes. It comes at the same time they have a reluctance to mention Christ or Jesus, preferring to say "God". Which, I suppose, is less offensive.

  • I believe most people who describe themselves as "atheists" are in fact agnostics who are too lazy to look further, afraid of what they might find. Love the book so far (chapter 3). Still trying to find something to disagree with you on so as to set you on the Path of Light. But I think you're somewhere up ahead of me!

  • If 100 yrs from now, someone found my dell laptop in a pile of rubble, examined it and found that it clearly had design and purpose, is there anyway they could possibly believe that it was a production of the "god" of chance? just a thought...?

  • I like your book Stephen.  Thanks for having the courage to write it.

  • @JohnnyTPaul Thank you Johhny, to be honest I am terrified! I expect extreme negative responses becuse I have criticised several 'sacred cows' but I do actually believe that 'western civilisation, formerly known as Christendom' as I describe it in the book is terminally ill, because, as I wrote 'we have forgotten why we need to survive'.

    kind regards. As I said, I will not be changing the focus of this channel which will continue to be the orchard, but Jesus is my Saviour-there, I've said it.

  • @stephenhayesuk my brother, I have been thinking about the decline of our societies also. John Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other", and Joseph de Maistre, "Every nation has the government it deserves."

    The solution for our countries is Christ because we are reaping the penelty for innocent blood in our lands, and punishment for calling wrong right. Looking forward to Darwin's Adders.

  • congratulations,I know you have been thinking and working on the book for some time.all the best

  • I hope to finish "Three men in a Hut" soon and I will try 2 do a book review on it by this weekend... I do want to say that my hat is off 2 you my friend... :)

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    ★★★★★

  • I have been in this place a number of times defending my religon and beliefes to athiest.When you look at the simple honey bee for example and the role it plays in our food and landscapes,orchards,lakes,stre­ams and other breathtaking moments on earth,it says in the bible he created it all and thats proof enough for me thanks for all your videos god bless

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