I saw Elvin and Farrell with Wilbur Little on bass many times, \ at the Vanguard but also at a club near Lincoln Center (does anyone remember the name of that place?). I didn't appreciate Farrell then, by comparison to Coltrane, because he didn't have as deep, authoritative a tone and that piercing self-eamination. I agree that Farrell is vastly underrated--e.g., I enjoy his sound more than the Liebman/Grossman twins. But in all these post-Coltrane videos, the music is more about Elvin.
I heard them several times at The Vanguard in 1969-70. Unforgettable. It was another time and place. They played every tune like their lives depended on it. Jones and Garrison together with Joe Farrell are forever etched in my memory. It's great to see this trio again. Thanks to whoever put it up.
@harpkeys Bro, I envy you. I would have loved to have seen that group. I fell in love with the Blue Note trio recordings. I wish I could have seen them live. But I was too young and too unhip at the time......
i had a couple of lessons with Elvin at the old Percussion Center in New York City. I will need to say, he opened my mind up to rhythmic concept more than anyone else, except for Tony Williams who I respect equally. May they both rest in peace, and be in the Creators Jazz Band
@drooms Yes he´s hitting hard, as always ! If you see it entirely you will notice that in the beginning things were kind of ' ok ' with the drumkit. Then suddenly it started to move and they took a long time to solve the problem; actually it was not completely solved .. In theory you´re right, but in those days not only it could naturally happen in some places but also the drumkits didn´t have so many accessories and they were more simple. That´s just what I tried to say.
@RareJazzVideos One more important detail is that not all places were really prepared for a drummer like Elvin, whose strenght was huge. His punch with sticks AND with the bass drum pedal was really really strong.
@RareJazzVideos It's pretty simple--the floor is just slippery and Elvin is a calvary of horses, so the kit is sliding across the floor. It's not that kits were simpler then; that's Elvin's set up; he's just a powerhouse. BUT, despite all that slippin' around, he never misses a beat, and that's why he triumphs.
@PathosDistanz What you said about Elvin´s strenght and the kit sliding of course I know that, that is something that anyone who knows Elvin´s style and knows a little bit about drumming can realize. What I said about the more simple kits is that it was not common to them having special rubbers to avoid sliddings. As drumkits developed a lot ( not in terms of sound, but in terms of their accessories ) the more ' modern ' ones were developed with stands with that rubber that can be adjusted.
@RareJazzVideos Last observation : you said the floor was slippery, well it does not matter about that because even if he was playing in a carpet, if the kit didn´t have something to avoid its moving and if it was not well placed, positioned, it would move. Nowadays, since some decades ago, the bass drum and other pieces stands have that kind of ' nail / sprig ' thing wrapped by the rubber on their extremeties to fix very hard on the floor, specially if the gig is in a ' strange ' floor.
I am almost ashamed to say that this is a first for me.I have never heard Joe Farrell before and I have been listening for many years.This made my day---what a great video ,many thanks.
was great ! '' Then, if you try to estabilish a longer conversation, if you try to develop it, they know nothing about Elvin´s own groups ( and they were really really strong, in all aspects ). I think that in the rest of the world is something like that too, people know Love Supreme and some other Coltrane works, but not too far from that.
Does this swing or WHAT?!?!? A true overlooked supergroup. " Putting it Together" and "The Ultimate" are two badass albums. This is a treat. Thanks for posting.
They weren't overlooked. Rhytm section of Coltrane (without pianist). Saxophone player Joe Farrel is a sort of underrated. But he played with great musicians and made solo albums.
leobloom : I think that the ' overlooked ' is more like '' He ( Joe ) and them, with this group and/or their own groups as leaders, specially Elvin and Joe, could / should had received much more recognition. Specially Joe. Elvin ok, he always made different groups and great records, he never stopped, but even with that in mind, he should sell much more and be well known by a bigger number of people. You come here in Brasil for example, many drummers and musicians say '' Elvin, ohhhh, Elvin ...
Elvin Jones sounds like 10 guys on drums. Master at work!!!! Joe Farrell is ripping with Coltrane's influence ever present (does he not look like a cars salesman or something?)
What can i say.... Elvin Jones, one of the great modern jazz drummers! Thanks for the post.
phillipstall 2 weeks ago
@ 00:40 it shows that Elvin loves to swing...
gowbass 1 month ago
I saw Elvin and Farrell with Wilbur Little on bass many times, \ at the Vanguard but also at a club near Lincoln Center (does anyone remember the name of that place?). I didn't appreciate Farrell then, by comparison to Coltrane, because he didn't have as deep, authoritative a tone and that piercing self-eamination. I agree that Farrell is vastly underrated--e.g., I enjoy his sound more than the Liebman/Grossman twins. But in all these post-Coltrane videos, the music is more about Elvin.
peteroak2009 2 months ago
Dwight K. Schrute on sax!
tufaaaable 2 months ago 3
I heard them several times at The Vanguard in 1969-70. Unforgettable. It was another time and place. They played every tune like their lives depended on it. Jones and Garrison together with Joe Farrell are forever etched in my memory. It's great to see this trio again. Thanks to whoever put it up.
harpkeys 2 months ago
@harpkeys Bro, I envy you. I would have loved to have seen that group. I fell in love with the Blue Note trio recordings. I wish I could have seen them live. But I was too young and too unhip at the time......
biosnex 3 weeks ago
Elvin Jones, Max Roach, can't decide, and of course Buddy Rich, Krupa, Buddy Miles, Mitch Michell, so many I can't remember, they're all great!
DrPhilMcKraken 3 months ago
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glovetones 3 months ago
I love how you can hear some hip-hop style beats for like 1 or 2 measures in his playing.. talk about being ahead of his time..
LemonFlavoredQuads 3 months ago
@LemonFlavoredQuads It is part of jazz language / repertoire of phrases since the beginning of 20st century ...
RareJazzVideos 3 months ago
"not hooking up with the right bands" ??? how about John Coltrane's group arguably the best band in the history of the music.
TRBrownn 4 months ago
i had a couple of lessons with Elvin at the old Percussion Center in New York City. I will need to say, he opened my mind up to rhythmic concept more than anyone else, except for Tony Williams who I respect equally. May they both rest in peace, and be in the Creators Jazz Band
elakzin 4 months ago
Most underrated sax player of all time... Joe Farrell.
daindo91 4 months ago
Wow! I dare say, Joes lack of gaining a full dose of fame was not hooking up with the right bands. What else could it be?
BongoFury33 4 months ago
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of all the drumkits he could choose from on that stage, he took the one that moved tsk tsk ;)
spinshots 5 months ago
of all the drumkits he could choose from on that stage, he took the one that moved tsk tsk ;)
spinshots 5 months ago
lol.....i can't believe he forgot his bass drum rug!
drooms 6 months ago
@drooms No buddy in the 1960´s it wasn´t comon, the drum kits were also different.
RareJazzVideos 6 months ago
@RareJazzVideos i'm just saying that somebody should have made sure he had a carpet or rug ...i play on 50's and 60's kits and they still work fine
drooms 6 months ago
@drooms Have you already watched tthe entire gig of this video ?
RareJazzVideos 6 months ago
@RareJazzVideos haven't seen the whole gig..but i'm a huge fan, he's hittin' hard!
drooms 6 months ago
@drooms Yes he´s hitting hard, as always ! If you see it entirely you will notice that in the beginning things were kind of ' ok ' with the drumkit. Then suddenly it started to move and they took a long time to solve the problem; actually it was not completely solved .. In theory you´re right, but in those days not only it could naturally happen in some places but also the drumkits didn´t have so many accessories and they were more simple. That´s just what I tried to say.
RareJazzVideos 6 months ago
@RareJazzVideos One more important detail is that not all places were really prepared for a drummer like Elvin, whose strenght was huge. His punch with sticks AND with the bass drum pedal was really really strong.
RareJazzVideos 6 months ago
@RareJazzVideos i heard sometimes they nailed his drumset into the floor LOL
Macbethkid182 6 months ago
@RareJazzVideos It's pretty simple--the floor is just slippery and Elvin is a calvary of horses, so the kit is sliding across the floor. It's not that kits were simpler then; that's Elvin's set up; he's just a powerhouse. BUT, despite all that slippin' around, he never misses a beat, and that's why he triumphs.
PathosDistanz 5 months ago
@PathosDistanz What you said about Elvin´s strenght and the kit sliding of course I know that, that is something that anyone who knows Elvin´s style and knows a little bit about drumming can realize. What I said about the more simple kits is that it was not common to them having special rubbers to avoid sliddings. As drumkits developed a lot ( not in terms of sound, but in terms of their accessories ) the more ' modern ' ones were developed with stands with that rubber that can be adjusted.
RareJazzVideos 4 months ago
@RareJazzVideos Last observation : you said the floor was slippery, well it does not matter about that because even if he was playing in a carpet, if the kit didn´t have something to avoid its moving and if it was not well placed, positioned, it would move. Nowadays, since some decades ago, the bass drum and other pieces stands have that kind of ' nail / sprig ' thing wrapped by the rubber on their extremeties to fix very hard on the floor, specially if the gig is in a ' strange ' floor.
RareJazzVideos 4 months ago
very nice!!!
jader007100 7 months ago
Wow that is really special to hear Joe stretch out like that. Great vdieo! Thanks for sharing.
kcandfen 8 months ago
i just wonder what elvins doin rite now
commentkid69 10 months ago 4
@commentkid69 Playing drums in heaven...
nonagon1 2 months ago
What video is this from? I would like to purchase!
martymcmillen 10 months ago
@martymcmillen As 99 % of the videos of this page / profile, this is a never released video.
RareJazzVideos 10 months ago
Amazing!!!
egormusic 1 year ago
first farrell, then grossman, then liebman -- coltrane studies in the school of jones.
chedoggy 1 year ago
I am almost ashamed to say that this is a first for me.I have never heard Joe Farrell before and I have been listening for many years.This made my day---what a great video ,many thanks.
takefive07 1 year ago
woooooooooooooooo!!!
bigmcdrums 1 year ago
was great ! '' Then, if you try to estabilish a longer conversation, if you try to develop it, they know nothing about Elvin´s own groups ( and they were really really strong, in all aspects ). I think that in the rest of the world is something like that too, people know Love Supreme and some other Coltrane works, but not too far from that.
RareJazzVideos 1 year ago
Does this swing or WHAT?!?!? A true overlooked supergroup. " Putting it Together" and "The Ultimate" are two badass albums. This is a treat. Thanks for posting.
plangentmusic 1 year ago
@plangentmusic
They weren't overlooked. Rhytm section of Coltrane (without pianist). Saxophone player Joe Farrel is a sort of underrated. But he played with great musicians and made solo albums.
LeoBloom68 1 year ago
leobloom : I think that the ' overlooked ' is more like '' He ( Joe ) and them, with this group and/or their own groups as leaders, specially Elvin and Joe, could / should had received much more recognition. Specially Joe. Elvin ok, he always made different groups and great records, he never stopped, but even with that in mind, he should sell much more and be well known by a bigger number of people. You come here in Brasil for example, many drummers and musicians say '' Elvin, ohhhh, Elvin ...
RareJazzVideos 1 year ago
WOOOOW!!! unreal
earthchild100 1 year ago
Elvin Jones sounds like 10 guys on drums. Master at work!!!! Joe Farrell is ripping with Coltrane's influence ever present (does he not look like a cars salesman or something?)
peppersax 1 year ago
This is so swinging and so heavy metal at the same time.
mackyouaccount 1 year ago
Triads, suspended ideas, pentatonic ideas, quartal ideas...Joe Farrell had it all!
Modes9 1 year ago
Sayin' something.
humphrey23 1 year ago
Tight as fuck that he fixes his drum set and turns it into a bit of a break. Awesome.
Adrenailine 1 year ago
Elvin seems pretty hot.
Sounds great though!
Jordainio 2 years ago
@Jordainio I've seen a few old vids where the whole 'Trane quartet was literally steaming...
Beauxdeauxfinglok 1 year ago