ok...Im not sure that I understand what you are trying to get at, because at the center of a pro-life mentality is the want to save a life. so I am still prolife, which means that if both of them will die anyway, that's not prolife, that's strictly pro-death
pro lifers are against terminating ANY pregnancy wether its unwanted or not, which is how you end up with countries like Nicaragua where no matter the situation (even if the mother will die) abortion is illegal. this is why abortion kneads to be allowed no matter the situation because there is way to much grey area in the subject. you can not say it is okay for one but not another. you also cant say that its not okay at all. a woman has the right to what goes in and out of her genitals.
@implodinggalaxy You're absolutely right, but the woman chose to have a penis enter her vagina which ultimately has the consequences of reproducing. When you have sex you assume a responsibility that your choice might effect another human being 9 months from now. Can you believe pro-lifers think we should live in a world where people are responsible for their own actions?! Gasp....
your pretty fuckin stupid but i have to give you the confidence award because i know you believed everything you said even though you should clearly do more research...
Im pro choice and vegan for many reasons, can look up videos just search prochoice/vegan. Thoughts on this long term very important human population video??? youtube (dot) com/watch?v=PaflWXXXHLs
attempted with the true preservation of life in mind, and both lives would be lost in an attempt to retain the definition of life. Neither would be let to die, but helped to live. The key factor in all if this is NOT killing a human being, period. THAT is true preservation of life and THAT is what is MOST important. Killing a baby for the salvation of the mother is a deception of life preservation, key word DECEPTION. That means it's easy to justify without proper rationalization and thought.
The elimination of a life cannot result in the preservation of a life, no matter how many lives are saved. Killing is killing and cannot be consistent with saving life. What you believe in is utilitarianism, which follows that there can be good from evil, life from death, ethical from unethical, and as long as you save one life, your killing of another is morally justified. If both die during birth, THAT is morally justified death, not murder. There is no murder of anyone, birth was ...
Btw. Your assertion that the death of both human beings is a "no question" matter, is bogus. You can make guaranteed predictions all you want in your hypothetical stories, but to even think that there is "no question" that both will die is a false and impossible thought. If a medical doctor deems a matter "no question," the existence of a human life becomes conditional? Absolutely not. There is a HUGE difference between preserving life and eliminating life, agreed? Therefore, ...
We don't all agree. This scenario has really happened. Look it and read both arguments. Then see if you can continue claiming the insanity of another person. Thank God not everyone is like you, people may just judge you as insane through means of their own capable logic. After all, your logic is only worthy of YOUR capacitance to understand it, surely then some you may call insane may very well have an intellectual capacitance to make an argument that dwarfs and disproves yours.
gah you're so stupid. pro life people are against terminating unwanted pregnancies. not terminating life threatening ones. Stop acting so arrogant in all of you're videos PLEASE.
@WhatIsDaTube1 Bull shit, I have life threatening complications, I can't get an abortion locally, I have to drive 6 hours, and deal with pro lifers calling me a murderer to get an abortion, I have already been told I need to die because I am aborting, that my kids need to die.
I'm not morally bankrupt you troll. I have a different point of view. Morals are just views based on your perception of something, so no one can be morally bankrupt. What about in this situation. Are you so much against abortion that you'd let them both die? If so then I'm not the murderer here.
I am against baby murder too, but abortion isn't technically baby murder.
You still haven't answered my question. If it was this situation, in which the mother AND the child would die if an abortion didn't take place, would it be OK to have an abortion?
Also, the baby isn't alive the second after the sperm cell enters her egg... The baby isn't even alive until a certain point.
greg there are other options when it comes to that if it was your wife/gf were to have a kid with you and they said she might die if she gives birth but your kid will live do you kill your kid that would have a chance? also if it was the case of the both could die it would be depending you know on what was wrong baby too big theres C section many things you can do now if the kid is dead still born not alive at all never will be alive then i say under that circumstance yes do it,
@scorpionrules15 how ever if there raped and dont want the chance of having a kid get meds right away before it forms a living breathing baby and in opinion if the baby has formed started living in the body and they dont want it put it in up for adoption, greg i mean obsoultly no offence to you im not meaning to piss you off in any way im just tring to state my opinion and if you think im looking at it wrong or think im misguided or even would like to chat about my point of view please feel
My mother was in this situation when I was a in the womb, the doctors told my father that if I lived my mother would die and if my mother lived I would die, my father didn't take either option, he found this doctor who tried somthing differant and ignored what his co-workers said about aborting me, he saved both of us, I am so grateful and every time I see him I thank him, because if it weren't for him I wouldn't of had the wonderful life I'm living now, I'm 14 and I'm prolife.
@XxCaptainSnugglesxX Thank you so much for telling that story and for being pro life. The world needs more wise and vocal adolescents. I'm 16 and I'm pro life!
i understand in some situations, but your a vegan and you love all animals but you support to put down a baby no matter what the situation... that in a way contradicts itself.
i am pro-choice. you are fucking stupid this is the dumbest argument ive ever heard. what the fuck is this? how can you set up such a fucking stupid argument and knock it down? You just said that pro lifers are wrong because there's a chance that a a birth kills both parties. It's like youre a secret conservative troll your videos are so fucking stupid. im certainly not pro choice because i think that a baby might kamikazee kill its mom through birth. go eat grass faggot.
I'm totally pro-life, but it's not much of a choice if there is a situation like this. This is a situation where the woman's life is in danger, even more so is she justified if she was raped or something like that, but when it comes to people being idiots and not practicing safe sex, no baby should die because of idiots like that.
Abortion can be a life-saving procedure Onision. That much is true. But, what about the fact that only 1% of all abortions are done for such a reason? Are those abortions okay? Is it okay to let the Mom kill their baby just because they don't want to raise it? You care so much about not killing innocent animals. So I don't see how you could want something like this to continue. Because, after all, what's more innocent than a baby?
I dont think abortion should be completely banned i would like for pre born babies to be considered human and i dont want it to be "oh no im pregnant oh i know quick fix abortion" abortion saves lives and takes them i want people to go to get abortions and think this is my child my child shouldnt be brought into this world because "insert really good reason here" i believe that pre born babies are alive and once killed can never be replicated a complete ban or complete freedom with abortion is a
I hate it when people abort the baby simply because they don't want it. Put it up for adoption instead of killing it for your own selfish reasons. And if the mother was raped, even then, don't kill it. The baby didn't choose to be a product of rape. If you don't want to live with it, put it up for adoption too. But if you could die and the baby could die and neither one of you could live, then I'll understand.
@loner1878 I have a friend whose mother was told that if she had her child they would both surely die. She decided that if her baby was going to die she would too, but they're both alive today. They can't guarantee it.
My mother had a D&C abortion during her second pregnancy. There was zero chance of the baby living because its was too premature and its lungs were not developed. That was a guarantee.
LOL, that was pathetic. It may be possible in the future, but thats not the issue here. They don't survive at that age now, and they certainly did not twenty years ago.
@loner1878 I'm not saying all babies doctors say will die won't, but doctors can be and often are wrong. Some babies die, it's sad but true. There are also a lot alive that doctors said would die.
There are a lot of people who are dead who thought they knew better than their doctors. I take it you treat all your own diseases and injuries if you think doctors are so unreliable?
@loner1878 No. I maintain a healthy skepticism and seek second or third opinions when I see fit. Sometimes they are right, yes. Sometimes they aren't, and if you think otherwise you're incredibly naive.
It is often a good idea to get more than one opinion. But drop the red herrings already.
It seems to me your personal feelings are clouding your judgment on the issues at hand. Simply because you happen to have one friend who got lucky, do you think all cases like hers end the same way?
@loner1878 Not at all. Doctors are right sometimes. However, I doubt she's the only person in the history of the world that survived when told she wouldn't. The doctors encouraged her mother to have an entirely unneeded abortion. Why would she be the only one that happened to? She wouldn't be. Other women could survive it too. Would all of them? No. Some? Yes.
That's your opinion, keep it to yourself unless you're directly involved. Let patients and their doctors (people who actually know what is going on) make the decision.
Oh btw the legal abortion in the UK was 24 weeks and a girl was born and lived before that time being born four months early her name was Ellie-Suzanne Fish
Onision doesnt actually share his views on abortion by the way, he justs admits its sometimes necessary to save a women. I only disagreed by saying that you should try every option available.
Wow dude. RELIGION mantiianed that the earth was flat based on guesses by ancient philosophers, just like how they mantianed that the sun went around the earth. It was science proved them wrong on both counts.
Ignorant about physics too. You are one piece of work.
I don't know what garbage you've been fed, but the Big Bang is nowhere near being disproved. Virtually all evidence currently supports it. The manner in which it came about can be debated, but the Big Bang happened.
One of my friends is studying physics at St. Andrews University and he told me the big bang is about as likely as the loop theory. He has shown me his textbooks concerning it. The Big Bang includes the theory that a rapid heat and expansion created the universe. Physics is now starting to debate that this seems less and less likely the more the look into it.
No, I am saying that science has provided wrong answers in the past. Also your friends have been mentioned throughout this arguement so dont give me bs about mine being "convincing"
Science doesn't claim absolutes, unlike religion. The scientific method is desgined to allow revisions and new evidence, unlike the stangant claims of religion that take centuries to catch up with anything. And unlike religion, sceince has yet to lead a literal Inquisition to wipe out opposers.
“The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers.” -Denis Diderot
So your agreeing with me science can be wrong. I didnt comment on this to argue religion but you need to accept the religions of others even if you dont see it as important. People arent catholic due to murders etc people are catholic due to the fact they agree with the viewpoints. So stop focusing on the bad and focus on the good.
LOL if you have such a limited understanding of science. Proving hypotheses wrong is crucial to advancing scientific progress and developing better ways of understanding. Religion, on the other hand, refuses to admit when it is wrong, even when its causing harm.
You seem to be arguing to turn a completely blind eye to the wrongs of the church and religion. Sorry kid, but I did enough of that when I was a deluded believer led by blind faith.
dont turn a blind eye on it, but just simply accept the bads and look at the religion as a whole. It does so much more good than bad. And if you cant see it then your turning a blind eye on it.
Yeah Onision, honey um, that exact scenario is in the Catechism of the Catholic church. If they were both to die then yes, of course save the mother. And this kind of life or death situation accounts for less than 2 percent of all abortions. And yeah the rape and incest argument (which I disagree with) accounts for less than 1 percent. That's 3% of the 46 million children aborted every year.
So what is the excuse of the remaining 97% of women?
You're right we are all pro choice, I choose life
I also ur comment about Christianity and as far as Im aware Christians dont judge others but they are trying to stop what they see as a bad thing and it is only in response to that argument that a statistic was used. they try and help those who have previously had abortions.
The Catholic church demonstrated that they made a mistake in the past and modernized as they saw this as wrong. you have to think of what kind of society was about in the 1800's.
I actually became pro choice back when I was still catholic. Many christians are pro choice (some examples: Catholics for Choice, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, plus the Episcopaland Methodist Churches)
The catholic church does like to work from the bottom of the complaint box. Still actively denying child rape and abuse at the hands of priests when they can.
I said UP TO the 1800's. Quite a few centuries in there.
The Catholic church issued apologies to the families involved in it, there was no way of them knowing what those so called priests where up to. If they wanted to work from the bottom of the complaint box then why do they still say no sex before marriage and no contraception?
LOL "apologized." Only after outspoken victims and the media made it impossible for them to keep hiding it and moving the offender priests around.
Oh please, do you even watch the news? Investigators have found evidence showing that those in authority in the church - all the way up to the Vatican - knew about the sex abuse - they paid hush money to the victims families and moved the offender priests to new areas (leading to more kids being molested).
Every religion has problems this is one of the Catholic Church, e.g. Muslims have extremists but they shouldnt be categorized for this much like the "priests" shouldnt be what people think of the Catholic church. They gave money as compensation to the victims. Many "priests" were arrested
They gave money to SILENCE many victims until this was exposed by the media and victims who they couldn't get to stay silent. Arrests only occured after they were exposed, and many in the church are still agaisnt the arrests.
That's more exactly my point. The church has contributed to unintended preganacy and the spread of AIDS and other STD's by speaking out agasint condoms. They have also contributed directly to population explosions in areas where there are no resources for sustianing thhat number of people. They are still years (at least) behind common sense of the modern world.
And dude, I grew up catholic. The "no sex before marriage" thing is probably the least followed rule around.
Actually the Pope said yes to using condoms to prevent the spread of AIDS. The church has to be careful as it modernizes as it needs to keep to its founding principles.
Many people dont follow the rule but it is still a rule made by the Catholic church.
Do u watch the news ? it was a huge story last year that the Pope said it was ok to use condoms in the battle against AIDS. Do some research first before you call me a liar please.
Oh, I have. It's still the official position of the Catholic Church that condoms aren't OK. That's been the position of the insane organization for ages and the suffering that caused can not be undone.
And the position wasn't changed in 2010, as the Pope only said condom use was OK in certain situations, listing male prostitutes specifically, and he still qualified condom use as "immoral." It's still not approved as a means of birth control by the church. RESEARCH!
The pope is changing that. Its used to prevent the spreading of AIDS which saves life. The church only believe in birth control in certain circumstances so why wld the accept a new form ? They are ok with using condoms to save lives.
Yeah, the pope said it only last year, when most of the damage has already been done and activists had been begging for the church to do so for YEARS before. Might as well shut the barn door after the cow gets out.
Most cahtolic charities waste a good portion of their donations on bulding chapels and distributing bibles and sermons rather than giving actual aid. Many people still are afraid of the dark indeed (to quote Stephen Hawking).
I'll assume you know what religion has contributed through history (crusades, inqusition, witch hunts, the dark ages, slavery, persecution, etc).
My own words said you are accusing me of being ignorant. For once I accused you of it. I simply posted a comment on this video and you were the one who was to ignorant to accept my opinion and move onto read the next comment.
@loner1878 You are full of nonsense. And I'm not judging women individually just stating my opinion on the subject. I just don't think abortion should be promoted as a solution to birth control failure and it should not be praised by mainstream media. It's a tough and heartbreaking issue weather you are pro or anti abortion. Abortion is just seen as such a casual thing to do when it is a deeply personal and painful decision.
You're the one full of it. Abortion being an option is not "promoted" it is simply an option that is and should be there for people who need it. LOL, when was the last time it was "praised" by mainstream media? Good one.
Abortion is NOT a casual decision the way you'd like to believe it is.
Ok so I will now prove everyone is Pro Life. The mother and baby will die if she attempts to give birth, so she has an abortion to save at least her life. That's not textbook definition Pro Life, but that's how i see things. I also believe "choice" applies to the unborn baby. To give that baby no choice is a shame. But people can only see in black and white. Certain situations can justify even abortions.
@everythingBLUE so you can just hold a microphone to a pregnant woman's stomach and ask the fetus questions? That's like asking Helen Keller to point out her favorite color painted on a wall.
@futurejockey8 Haha! Omg you're so funny! You should do stand up, because you're so clever! But seriously /sarcasm. It's nice of you to compare colors on a wall to life and death, really what's the difference? Woops, I guess my sarcasm hasn't quite ended yet, I'll stop.
it's obvious you didn't understand my post, but I have to thank you for proving at least one of my points. Sadly I don't have enough room to explain it to you now, but honestly I wasn't gonna waste my time anyway.
@everythingBLUE in other words it's like giving a 5-year-old a choice that could affect its future instead of giving that child's parents the choice. The child is DEPENDENT. Just like the fetus.
Abortion is wrong on so many levels BUT if it just so happens and there is no choice but to abort because of chance of death than it is justified. But im still pro life. Theres still thousands of women out here every minute aborting babies just cuz they simply dont wanna take responsiblity.
@loner1878 having never met me its impossible for you to know if someone is just like me. And the doctors accept abortion as terms of convenience and they will recommend it cause its cheaper. Ive never harrased any of your friends. those people are trying to save lives which is worth a bit of harassment.
Preventation of a life is murder, if I prevented your life it would be murder,same for babies. I still am what?
Theres video evidence of pro choicers attacking pro lifers - are we the thugs?
Blah, blah, bullshit. Let me remind you hospitals make far more money off births and related procedures than they would abortions, so your argument for abortions being cheaper falls flat. Many hospitals can't even do abortions and have to refer their patients to clinics.
LOL, so by your defenition condoms and even abstinence would be murder - if you never sleep with anyone or block sperm you're preventing a life! Oh no! Better let the churches know that they're promoting murder!
No to your second comment only when they sperm and egg come together it is a life, then and only then. But after that it is a life it is something that has the possibility of becoming human making it a life. Hospitals would recommend an abortions as opposed to more expensive surgical procedures.
You don't become human without the sperm and eggs. So, do you believe all used tampons and pads should be inspected to see if a fertilized egg is present? Since 50-70% of fertilized eggs miscarry and appear as regular periods. If inspections are mandatory then proper death certificates and funerals can be given. You agree with that, right?
Hospitals would make more money off the expensive surgical procedures. Like I said, many hospitals can't even offer abortions.
But they recommend an abortion clinic as they do not need to pay for it.
And yes pretty much if you lose a child in the womb then its extremely unfortunate and sad and the mother may want to have a funeral. However that is a terrible fate and no one has caused the death of this child, it happened by mistake.
So how do they not need to pay for abortions but do need to pay for delivery and surgery?
So you do believe used tampons and pads should be inspected for fertilized eggs (lol). What kind of programs should be implemented to do this? Should it be government-run or state level inspections? Should taxpayer funding go into it? Should the insepction be mandatory or can women volunteer their used pads and tampons?
The abortion clinics deal with that finance. So is cheaper than surgery.
As Ive already made clear no I dont think that, the fact is the baby died naturally no one killed it. Thats a failed attempt where as someone killing it is clearly a completely different matter.
So, you have an issue with the fact that abortions cost money? I hate to tell you this, but so do most medical procedures. I bet you don't protest tooth removals. Abortion IS a type of surgery.
You're avoiding the question or you're failing to read the proposal. My question was is it worth it to identify miscarried fertilized eggs, not whether there was someone responsible for it.
No my issue is that abortion is cheaper than most surgical procedures hence doctors recommending it a lot of the time. Except from the doctors with morals.
If thats what the mother wants then thats fair enough, I would personally get over this sad time and try again for a child.
I can tell you that claim is a load of garbage. I have a lot of relatives who are doctors, if I told them what you said they'd burst out laughing.
Abortion doctors are among the most selfless and corageous people on the planet.
So it shouldn't be mandatory to inspect for the fertilized eggs? It should be voluntary then? Risk a 'burial at sea' for what you believe are living people? That's cold of you.
Abortion doctors are among the most selfless and corageous people on the planet.? thats bs, Abortion doctors are willing to kill innocent babies, how brave of them ? They kill babies then move on, just cause they are paid to do it, yeh thats very selfless
You're the one that believes they are living children, so yeah that label falls on you.
No there isn't actual evidence.
Abortion doctors put their lives on the line every day, suffer harassment and death threats from fanatics and risk their safety to help women who need them. There are medical fields way more profitable than abortion care that have no risks. (and are you trying to imply that its wrong for doctors to get paid? lol)
Im implying that its wrong for people who specialize in killing to get paid. You say they are there for the women who need them, so whos their for her baby ? no one.
there is evidence ill send you the statistic's if you want.
Yeh doctors who specialize in killing shouldnt get paid in my opinion as they have take vows to save lives not take them away. If they are so "selfless" then why wld they want paid ?.
i have real stats as well, just ask ill send you the link.
Doctors take vows to help their patients and that is what they do, helping the women who are their patients.
Do you know how ridiculous it is for you to say abortion doctors should like a monastic lifestyle when other doctors don't? They could make money way more easily in any other medical focus but they choose to risk their lives for their patients.
Helping the women, killing the children ? that doesnt seem fair.
Really ? I would say a medical officer in the army is much more likely to put their lives in danger for their patients. They risk their lives ? The chances of them being murdered for what they do isnt that high. They could make more money in other field but maybe they cant seem to get a job anywhere else or they just like killing children
Embryos don't count as children. That's the main problem in your argument. And yes, a living, born woman takes precedence over a potential undeveloped life any day.
You know what? Life isn't fair.
Army medics are serving the army are fighting in war zones. That is to be expected. However, abortion doctors are on domestic soild and face consant death threats at the hands of anti choice terrorists with no army around to protect them. Your comparison is completely moot.
... what happened,
iluvinuyasha84 1 week ago
I used to like your videos until I found out you supported murder.
2prolife3 3 weeks ago
@2prolife3 you got that right.
Lucricia228 2 weeks ago
Oh fuck, I wish i didn't see this one
ConcatenateAgonWorld 3 weeks ago
ok...Im not sure that I understand what you are trying to get at, because at the center of a pro-life mentality is the want to save a life. so I am still prolife, which means that if both of them will die anyway, that's not prolife, that's strictly pro-death
rvmacmillan 1 month ago
Uh...that's already been said like a million times!
1LonePuma 1 month ago
pro lifers are against terminating ANY pregnancy wether its unwanted or not, which is how you end up with countries like Nicaragua where no matter the situation (even if the mother will die) abortion is illegal. this is why abortion kneads to be allowed no matter the situation because there is way to much grey area in the subject. you can not say it is okay for one but not another. you also cant say that its not okay at all. a woman has the right to what goes in and out of her genitals.
implodinggalaxy 2 months ago 7
@implodinggalaxy You're absolutely right, but the woman chose to have a penis enter her vagina which ultimately has the consequences of reproducing. When you have sex you assume a responsibility that your choice might effect another human being 9 months from now. Can you believe pro-lifers think we should live in a world where people are responsible for their own actions?! Gasp....
goatnuts8288 1 month ago
your pretty fuckin stupid but i have to give you the confidence award because i know you believed everything you said even though you should clearly do more research...
TEDEBAGOS 2 months ago
You're an idiot.
MrSkater243 2 months ago
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Im pro choice and vegan for many reasons, can look up videos just search prochoice/vegan. Thoughts on this long term very important human population video??? youtube (dot) com/watch?v=PaflWXXXHLs
animalabusinglosers5 2 months ago
attempted with the true preservation of life in mind, and both lives would be lost in an attempt to retain the definition of life. Neither would be let to die, but helped to live. The key factor in all if this is NOT killing a human being, period. THAT is true preservation of life and THAT is what is MOST important. Killing a baby for the salvation of the mother is a deception of life preservation, key word DECEPTION. That means it's easy to justify without proper rationalization and thought.
soccer1288 2 months ago
The elimination of a life cannot result in the preservation of a life, no matter how many lives are saved. Killing is killing and cannot be consistent with saving life. What you believe in is utilitarianism, which follows that there can be good from evil, life from death, ethical from unethical, and as long as you save one life, your killing of another is morally justified. If both die during birth, THAT is morally justified death, not murder. There is no murder of anyone, birth was ...
soccer1288 2 months ago
Btw. Your assertion that the death of both human beings is a "no question" matter, is bogus. You can make guaranteed predictions all you want in your hypothetical stories, but to even think that there is "no question" that both will die is a false and impossible thought. If a medical doctor deems a matter "no question," the existence of a human life becomes conditional? Absolutely not. There is a HUGE difference between preserving life and eliminating life, agreed? Therefore, ...
soccer1288 2 months ago
We don't all agree. This scenario has really happened. Look it and read both arguments. Then see if you can continue claiming the insanity of another person. Thank God not everyone is like you, people may just judge you as insane through means of their own capable logic. After all, your logic is only worthy of YOUR capacitance to understand it, surely then some you may call insane may very well have an intellectual capacitance to make an argument that dwarfs and disproves yours.
soccer1288 2 months ago
gah you're so stupid. pro life people are against terminating unwanted pregnancies. not terminating life threatening ones. Stop acting so arrogant in all of you're videos PLEASE.
WhatIsDaTube1 3 months ago
@WhatIsDaTube1 Bull shit, I have life threatening complications, I can't get an abortion locally, I have to drive 6 hours, and deal with pro lifers calling me a murderer to get an abortion, I have already been told I need to die because I am aborting, that my kids need to die.
vampyres32 2 months ago
But those situations are so rare. It is necessary to have that abortion. In other cases it is not.
zebrax92 3 months ago
pause a 0:10 it quite the funny
98Lubo 3 months ago
That has nothing to do with "pro-choice".
That has to do with medical Necessity.
That has nothing to do with the 95% of abortion that occur for no-medical causes
(about 1.3 million per year by recent count)
Even before Roe v. Wade the pregnancy would have been terminated.
This argument is filled with fallacy of false Dellima
toephue2002 3 months ago
If people have such a problem with abortion they should just not do it, and let other people carry on with their lives.
Edge0fPain 4 months ago
@Edge0fPain
everyone except the baby that gets murdered can go on with their lives
ENDRENOABORTION 4 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION
Don't force your views on other women's bodies.
Edge0fPain 4 months ago
@Edge0fPain
dont mistake a point of view with homicide- a woman has a body- so does a baby
i am not against anyone's rights- i am against baby murder
YOU ARE MORALLY BANKRUPT
ENDRENOABORTION 4 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION
I'm not morally bankrupt you troll. I have a different point of view. Morals are just views based on your perception of something, so no one can be morally bankrupt. What about in this situation. Are you so much against abortion that you'd let them both die? If so then I'm not the murderer here.
I am against baby murder too, but abortion isn't technically baby murder.
Edge0fPain 4 months ago
@Edge0fPain
"technically" ?
I can't think of anything more shtty a human being can do than to murder their own son or daughter or to support it.
ENDRENOABORTION 4 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION
You still haven't answered my question. If it was this situation, in which the mother AND the child would die if an abortion didn't take place, would it be OK to have an abortion?
Also, the baby isn't alive the second after the sperm cell enters her egg... The baby isn't even alive until a certain point.
Edge0fPain 4 months ago
greg there are other options when it comes to that if it was your wife/gf were to have a kid with you and they said she might die if she gives birth but your kid will live do you kill your kid that would have a chance? also if it was the case of the both could die it would be depending you know on what was wrong baby too big theres C section many things you can do now if the kid is dead still born not alive at all never will be alive then i say under that circumstance yes do it,
scorpionrules15 4 months ago
@scorpionrules15 how ever if there raped and dont want the chance of having a kid get meds right away before it forms a living breathing baby and in opinion if the baby has formed started living in the body and they dont want it put it in up for adoption, greg i mean obsoultly no offence to you im not meaning to piss you off in any way im just tring to state my opinion and if you think im looking at it wrong or think im misguided or even would like to chat about my point of view please feel
scorpionrules15 4 months ago
@scorpionrules15 free to send me a message
scorpionrules15 4 months ago
@NillaSpresso He's saying though that the baby wouldn't live in any situation. Either you both die or just the baby.
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My mother was in this situation when I was a in the womb, the doctors told my father that if I lived my mother would die and if my mother lived I would die, my father didn't take either option, he found this doctor who tried somthing differant and ignored what his co-workers said about aborting me, he saved both of us, I am so grateful and every time I see him I thank him, because if it weren't for him I wouldn't of had the wonderful life I'm living now, I'm 14 and I'm prolife.
XxCaptainSnugglesxX 4 months ago 6
@XxCaptainSnugglesxX What did the other doctor try that saved you both?
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 month ago
@XxCaptainSnugglesxX Thank you so much for telling that story and for being pro life. The world needs more wise and vocal adolescents. I'm 16 and I'm pro life!
Ollie7707 1 month ago
@XxCaptainSnugglesxX wow that is a wonderful story :) god bless you and your mother
Lucricia228 2 weeks ago
i understand in some situations, but your a vegan and you love all animals but you support to put down a baby no matter what the situation... that in a way contradicts itself.
oobaby85 5 months ago 2
i am pro-choice. you are fucking stupid this is the dumbest argument ive ever heard. what the fuck is this? how can you set up such a fucking stupid argument and knock it down? You just said that pro lifers are wrong because there's a chance that a a birth kills both parties. It's like youre a secret conservative troll your videos are so fucking stupid. im certainly not pro choice because i think that a baby might kamikazee kill its mom through birth. go eat grass faggot.
IncoherentCommenter 5 months ago
I'm totally pro-life, but it's not much of a choice if there is a situation like this. This is a situation where the woman's life is in danger, even more so is she justified if she was raped or something like that, but when it comes to people being idiots and not practicing safe sex, no baby should die because of idiots like that.
TheAntiochus 5 months ago
im not pro choice
PRO CHOICE SUCKS!!!!
PRO LIFE RULEZ!!!!!!
Lucricia228 5 months ago
stop distracting people with lesser problems :<
~Jkun~
Jkun 5 months ago
Let me guess. You're not okay with animal abortion? Oh brother.
SwornByOath 6 months ago
Abortion can be a life-saving procedure Onision. That much is true. But, what about the fact that only 1% of all abortions are done for such a reason? Are those abortions okay? Is it okay to let the Mom kill their baby just because they don't want to raise it? You care so much about not killing innocent animals. So I don't see how you could want something like this to continue. Because, after all, what's more innocent than a baby?
BlizzardDust 6 months ago
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I'm Pro-Choice because I live in the real world.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
last post continued...
bad idea
c8graphy 6 months ago
I dont think abortion should be completely banned i would like for pre born babies to be considered human and i dont want it to be "oh no im pregnant oh i know quick fix abortion" abortion saves lives and takes them i want people to go to get abortions and think this is my child my child shouldnt be brought into this world because "insert really good reason here" i believe that pre born babies are alive and once killed can never be replicated a complete ban or complete freedom with abortion is a
c8graphy 6 months ago
@c8graphy
Ever heard of punctuation?
loner1878 6 months ago
If I got preggo right now (I'm 16) I would not want that potential child to have a terrible life. That's my take on it.
superstazie 7 months ago 3
I hate it when people abort the baby simply because they don't want it. Put it up for adoption instead of killing it for your own selfish reasons. And if the mother was raped, even then, don't kill it. The baby didn't choose to be a product of rape. If you don't want to live with it, put it up for adoption too. But if you could die and the baby could die and neither one of you could live, then I'll understand.
A4L1000 7 months ago
@A4L1000
It didn't choose to be born either, think about that.
And obviously you have no clue what rape does to a woman.
Don't like abortion? Don't get one.
loner1878 7 months ago
Doctors can't guarantee 100% that both would die.
fearbookworm 8 months ago
@fearbookworm
There are cases where its clear that will be the outcome.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 I have a friend whose mother was told that if she had her child they would both surely die. She decided that if her baby was going to die she would too, but they're both alive today. They can't guarantee it.
fearbookworm 8 months ago
@fearbookworm
My mother had a D&C abortion during her second pregnancy. There was zero chance of the baby living because its was too premature and its lungs were not developed. That was a guarantee.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 No it wasn't. Many people are alive today who were 'guaranteed' by doctors to die.
fearbookworm 8 months ago
@fearbookworm
So you were there? You know the outcome with your amazing psychic powers? No premature baby lives before 20 weeks.
Get a medical degree before playing doctor.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 No baby has lived before twenty weeks. That doesn't at all mean that no one ever will.
fearbookworm 8 months ago
@fearbookworm
LOL, that was pathetic. It may be possible in the future, but thats not the issue here. They don't survive at that age now, and they certainly did not twenty years ago.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 I'm not saying all babies doctors say will die won't, but doctors can be and often are wrong. Some babies die, it's sad but true. There are also a lot alive that doctors said would die.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
There are a lot of people who are dead who thought they knew better than their doctors. I take it you treat all your own diseases and injuries if you think doctors are so unreliable?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 Are you saying doctors are always right?
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
You seem to think they are always wrong. Answer my question, do you treat your own medical emergencies and illnesses?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 No. I maintain a healthy skepticism and seek second or third opinions when I see fit. Sometimes they are right, yes. Sometimes they aren't, and if you think otherwise you're incredibly naive.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
It is often a good idea to get more than one opinion. But drop the red herrings already.
It seems to me your personal feelings are clouding your judgment on the issues at hand. Simply because you happen to have one friend who got lucky, do you think all cases like hers end the same way?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 Not at all. Doctors are right sometimes. However, I doubt she's the only person in the history of the world that survived when told she wouldn't. The doctors encouraged her mother to have an entirely unneeded abortion. Why would she be the only one that happened to? She wouldn't be. Other women could survive it too. Would all of them? No. Some? Yes.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
So all women in that sitaution should risk a death sentence because their doctors aren't omnipotent?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 I would.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
That's your deicsion to make. However, you have no right in hell to force another person to do so.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 When did I say I was trying to?
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
Glad that's clear to you then.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 But I think they should.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
That's your opinion, keep it to yourself unless you're directly involved. Let patients and their doctors (people who actually know what is going on) make the decision.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 I was directly involved in this conversation, so my opinion was relevant.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
Did you even bother to read where I said "unless you're directly involved?" Reading comprehension is a good life skill.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 I didn't say you said I wasn't involved genius.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
I was talking about real life. Feel free to comment on youtube, but be more mindful in reality.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 How stupid do you think I am? I'm not going to go shoving my opinions down someone's throat.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
Never guess that from your comments here.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 This is a video on the internet. That's a lot different.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
ORLY?
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 Yes. I'm not telling specific people what they should do. I'm telling the general public my opinions.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
Same here.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878 Good for you.
fearbookworm 7 months ago
@fearbookworm
And you. Cheers.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878
Oh btw the legal abortion in the UK was 24 weeks and a girl was born and lived before that time being born four months early her name was Ellie-Suzanne Fish
MrCallum180 7 months ago
@MrCallum180
So what? Many more babies born before 24 weeks do not survive. My younger brother was born at six months as well.
loner1878 7 months ago
@loner1878
It has been recorded before that actually about 22 weeks tops.
MrCallum180 7 months ago
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@MrCallum180
Once again, so what?
loner1878 7 months ago
There are only 2 situations in which i feel it is right to have an abortion.
1. If the mother was raped.
2. If the mother will die if they give birth.
Otherwise, it is a needless and horrible procedure.
RixerAkaGod 8 months ago
@RixerAkaGod
Good thing people more rational than you make the laws.
Why is it not a "needless and horrible procedure" if the fetus is the result of rape?
loner1878 8 months ago
was it not you how said that any one how would rape a child to save the world is a monster
catsage2 8 months ago
love the twisting in the wind euphemisms. your government funded public education has served you well.
pretorious700 8 months ago
So you're against killing animals, but for killing unborn humans? YOu're a piece of shit.
cheaze69 8 months ago
@cheaze69
Pre fetal cell clumps are not the equilavent of a living person. You're the piece of shit.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878 Animals aren't the equivalent of a living person, you retard. Read theo whole post before you comment.
cheaze69 8 months ago
@cheaze69
I did read it.
Why not? What makes humans so special and divine compared to other animals?
Plus I have yet to see Onision argue rights for unborn animals. Then maybe you would have something to complain about.
loner1878 8 months ago
@cheaze69
Onision doesnt actually share his views on abortion by the way, he justs admits its sometimes necessary to save a women. I only disagreed by saying that you should try every option available.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180 It's the 'save animals at all costs' mentality that frosts my ass.
cheaze69 8 months ago
@cheaze69
ah kk :P
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180 I don't believe the most anti abortion activist is against abortion in a mothers lifeor death situation.
cheaze69 8 months ago
@cheaze69
Exactly, If the mother continues to have the child with that added risk then I think it is extremely brave.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
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@loner1878 BTW, those Pre fetal cell clumps become a fetus, hence the term pre fetal. When do you endorse killing them?
cheaze69 8 months ago
So you enjoy just making shit up when you have nothing of value to say?
Or you just cant think of a reply.
Well Science has been wrong before for example the earth is flat ?
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Wow dude. RELIGION mantiianed that the earth was flat based on guesses by ancient philosophers, just like how they mantianed that the sun went around the earth. It was science proved them wrong on both counts.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
Religious Scientists thought this and it was only because everyone was religious, the big bang theory is very close to being disproven by physics.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Ignorant about physics too. You are one piece of work.
I don't know what garbage you've been fed, but the Big Bang is nowhere near being disproved. Virtually all evidence currently supports it. The manner in which it came about can be debated, but the Big Bang happened.
LOL "religious scientists thought this" XDDD
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
One of my friends is studying physics at St. Andrews University and he told me the big bang is about as likely as the loop theory. He has shown me his textbooks concerning it. The Big Bang includes the theory that a rapid heat and expansion created the universe. Physics is now starting to debate that this seems less and less likely the more the look into it.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
So you have one friend with textbooks. Very convincing.
I already said that the mechanics of the Big Bang could be debated and changed, that is a common occurence in science.
But are you trying to use the arguments agaisnt the Big Bang to argue that god is responsible for the creation of the universe instead?
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
No, I am saying that science has provided wrong answers in the past. Also your friends have been mentioned throughout this arguement so dont give me bs about mine being "convincing"
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Science doesn't claim absolutes, unlike religion. The scientific method is desgined to allow revisions and new evidence, unlike the stangant claims of religion that take centuries to catch up with anything. And unlike religion, sceince has yet to lead a literal Inquisition to wipe out opposers.
“The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers.” -Denis Diderot
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
So your agreeing with me science can be wrong. I didnt comment on this to argue religion but you need to accept the religions of others even if you dont see it as important. People arent catholic due to murders etc people are catholic due to the fact they agree with the viewpoints. So stop focusing on the bad and focus on the good.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
LOL if you have such a limited understanding of science. Proving hypotheses wrong is crucial to advancing scientific progress and developing better ways of understanding. Religion, on the other hand, refuses to admit when it is wrong, even when its causing harm.
You seem to be arguing to turn a completely blind eye to the wrongs of the church and religion. Sorry kid, but I did enough of that when I was a deluded believer led by blind faith.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
dont turn a blind eye on it, but just simply accept the bads and look at the religion as a whole. It does so much more good than bad. And if you cant see it then your turning a blind eye on it.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
It does more bad than good. Obviously you've had a blind eye on it for quite some time.
loner1878 8 months ago
One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws, but conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
"A just law squares with the moral law of the law of God. An unjust law . . . is out of harmony with the moral law"
This was when he wasnt addressing racism.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
Yeah Onision, honey um, that exact scenario is in the Catechism of the Catholic church. If they were both to die then yes, of course save the mother. And this kind of life or death situation accounts for less than 2 percent of all abortions. And yeah the rape and incest argument (which I disagree with) accounts for less than 1 percent. That's 3% of the 46 million children aborted every year.
So what is the excuse of the remaining 97% of women?
You're right we are all pro choice, I choose life
AllanahBrooks 9 months ago
@AllanahBrooks
I choose life too, further more I dont think people should get abortions due to rape etc. as its not the childs fault their father was a sicko.
Good to see someone supporting the unborn children.
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@AllanahBrooks
You do know the cahtolic church allowed early stage abortions until the 1800's right?
And the 97% of women don't owe you any explanation. And as a christian aren't you supposed to not judge others?
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
I also ur comment about Christianity and as far as Im aware Christians dont judge others but they are trying to stop what they see as a bad thing and it is only in response to that argument that a statistic was used. they try and help those who have previously had abortions.
The Catholic church demonstrated that they made a mistake in the past and modernized as they saw this as wrong. you have to think of what kind of society was about in the 1800's.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
I actually became pro choice back when I was still catholic. Many christians are pro choice (some examples: Catholics for Choice, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, plus the Episcopaland Methodist Churches)
The catholic church does like to work from the bottom of the complaint box. Still actively denying child rape and abuse at the hands of priests when they can.
I said UP TO the 1800's. Quite a few centuries in there.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
The Catholic church issued apologies to the families involved in it, there was no way of them knowing what those so called priests where up to. If they wanted to work from the bottom of the complaint box then why do they still say no sex before marriage and no contraception?
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
LOL "apologized." Only after outspoken victims and the media made it impossible for them to keep hiding it and moving the offender priests around.
Oh please, do you even watch the news? Investigators have found evidence showing that those in authority in the church - all the way up to the Vatican - knew about the sex abuse - they paid hush money to the victims families and moved the offender priests to new areas (leading to more kids being molested).
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
Every religion has problems this is one of the Catholic Church, e.g. Muslims have extremists but they shouldnt be categorized for this much like the "priests" shouldnt be what people think of the Catholic church. They gave money as compensation to the victims. Many "priests" were arrested
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
I've seen that little claim before but never the words to remotely confirm it. Cite a speech where MLK called abortion "genocide." I'm waiting.
loner1878 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
They gave money to SILENCE many victims until this was exposed by the media and victims who they couldn't get to stay silent. Arrests only occured after they were exposed, and many in the church are still agaisnt the arrests.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
The church is happy with a lot of arrests
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
That's more exactly my point. The church has contributed to unintended preganacy and the spread of AIDS and other STD's by speaking out agasint condoms. They have also contributed directly to population explosions in areas where there are no resources for sustianing thhat number of people. They are still years (at least) behind common sense of the modern world.
And dude, I grew up catholic. The "no sex before marriage" thing is probably the least followed rule around.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
Actually the Pope said yes to using condoms to prevent the spread of AIDS. The church has to be careful as it modernizes as it needs to keep to its founding principles.
Many people dont follow the rule but it is still a rule made by the Catholic church.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Liar. The Catholic Church has been and still is condemning condom use, even in AIDs sicken regions.
juliewashere88 8 months ago
@juliewashere88
Do u watch the news ? it was a huge story last year that the Pope said it was ok to use condoms in the battle against AIDS. Do some research first before you call me a liar please.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Oh, I have. It's still the official position of the Catholic Church that condoms aren't OK. That's been the position of the insane organization for ages and the suffering that caused can not be undone.
And the position wasn't changed in 2010, as the Pope only said condom use was OK in certain situations, listing male prostitutes specifically, and he still qualified condom use as "immoral." It's still not approved as a means of birth control by the church. RESEARCH!
juliewashere88 8 months ago
@juliewashere88
The pope is changing that. Its used to prevent the spreading of AIDS which saves life. The church only believe in birth control in certain circumstances so why wld the accept a new form ? They are ok with using condoms to save lives.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Yeah, the pope said it only last year, when most of the damage has already been done and activists had been begging for the church to do so for YEARS before. Might as well shut the barn door after the cow gets out.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
Like I said its still moved fowward.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
"Foward" at unwilling retarded snail pace. Still causing more harm than good.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
More harm than Good ? what about all the catholic charities? or even that some people just need a God? People practice their religion?
a lot more people benefit from the church than you seem to think
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Most cahtolic charities waste a good portion of their donations on bulding chapels and distributing bibles and sermons rather than giving actual aid. Many people still are afraid of the dark indeed (to quote Stephen Hawking).
I'll assume you know what religion has contributed through history (crusades, inqusition, witch hunts, the dark ages, slavery, persecution, etc).
The church does a lot more harm than you imagine.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
The church does a lot more good than bad ? I guess you are to ignorant (oh look for once, im calling you it instead of vice versa) to see that.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@MrCallum180
Yes, absolutely. You can call me what you like kid, but its pretty obvious from your own words you're the ignorant one on the issue.
loner1878 8 months ago
@loner1878
My own words said you are accusing me of being ignorant. For once I accused you of it. I simply posted a comment on this video and you were the one who was to ignorant to accept my opinion and move onto read the next comment.
MrCallum180 8 months ago
@loner1878 You are full of nonsense. And I'm not judging women individually just stating my opinion on the subject. I just don't think abortion should be promoted as a solution to birth control failure and it should not be praised by mainstream media. It's a tough and heartbreaking issue weather you are pro or anti abortion. Abortion is just seen as such a casual thing to do when it is a deeply personal and painful decision.
AllanahBrooks 8 months ago
@AllanahBrooks
You're the one full of it. Abortion being an option is not "promoted" it is simply an option that is and should be there for people who need it. LOL, when was the last time it was "praised" by mainstream media? Good one.
Abortion is NOT a casual decision the way you'd like to believe it is.
loner1878 8 months ago
@everythingBLUE Who cares of it doesn't have a "chance.". If it wasn't aborted, it would just become another unwanted human being in the world.
xxMCRvenomxx 9 months ago
Ok so I will now prove everyone is Pro Life. The mother and baby will die if she attempts to give birth, so she has an abortion to save at least her life. That's not textbook definition Pro Life, but that's how i see things. I also believe "choice" applies to the unborn baby. To give that baby no choice is a shame. But people can only see in black and white. Certain situations can justify even abortions.
everythingBLUE 9 months ago
@everythingBLUE so you can just hold a microphone to a pregnant woman's stomach and ask the fetus questions? That's like asking Helen Keller to point out her favorite color painted on a wall.
futurejockey8 9 months ago
@futurejockey8 Haha! Omg you're so funny! You should do stand up, because you're so clever! But seriously /sarcasm. It's nice of you to compare colors on a wall to life and death, really what's the difference? Woops, I guess my sarcasm hasn't quite ended yet, I'll stop.
it's obvious you didn't understand my post, but I have to thank you for proving at least one of my points. Sadly I don't have enough room to explain it to you now, but honestly I wasn't gonna waste my time anyway.
everythingBLUE 9 months ago
@everythingBLUE in other words it's like giving a 5-year-old a choice that could affect its future instead of giving that child's parents the choice. The child is DEPENDENT. Just like the fetus.
futurejockey8 9 months ago
Abortion is wrong on so many levels BUT if it just so happens and there is no choice but to abort because of chance of death than it is justified. But im still pro life. Theres still thousands of women out here every minute aborting babies just cuz they simply dont wanna take responsiblity.
ComptonAssMandiiee 9 months ago
@loner1878 having never met me its impossible for you to know if someone is just like me. And the doctors accept abortion as terms of convenience and they will recommend it cause its cheaper. Ive never harrased any of your friends. those people are trying to save lives which is worth a bit of harassment.
Preventation of a life is murder, if I prevented your life it would be murder,same for babies. I still am what?
Theres video evidence of pro choicers attacking pro lifers - are we the thugs?
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
Blah, blah, bullshit. Let me remind you hospitals make far more money off births and related procedures than they would abortions, so your argument for abortions being cheaper falls flat. Many hospitals can't even do abortions and have to refer their patients to clinics.
LOL, so by your defenition condoms and even abstinence would be murder - if you never sleep with anyone or block sperm you're preventing a life! Oh no! Better let the churches know that they're promoting murder!
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
No to your second comment only when they sperm and egg come together it is a life, then and only then. But after that it is a life it is something that has the possibility of becoming human making it a life. Hospitals would recommend an abortions as opposed to more expensive surgical procedures.
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
You don't become human without the sperm and eggs. So, do you believe all used tampons and pads should be inspected to see if a fertilized egg is present? Since 50-70% of fertilized eggs miscarry and appear as regular periods. If inspections are mandatory then proper death certificates and funerals can be given. You agree with that, right?
Hospitals would make more money off the expensive surgical procedures. Like I said, many hospitals can't even offer abortions.
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
But they recommend an abortion clinic as they do not need to pay for it.
And yes pretty much if you lose a child in the womb then its extremely unfortunate and sad and the mother may want to have a funeral. However that is a terrible fate and no one has caused the death of this child, it happened by mistake.
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
So how do they not need to pay for abortions but do need to pay for delivery and surgery?
So you do believe used tampons and pads should be inspected for fertilized eggs (lol). What kind of programs should be implemented to do this? Should it be government-run or state level inspections? Should taxpayer funding go into it? Should the insepction be mandatory or can women volunteer their used pads and tampons?
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
The abortion clinics deal with that finance. So is cheaper than surgery.
As Ive already made clear no I dont think that, the fact is the baby died naturally no one killed it. Thats a failed attempt where as someone killing it is clearly a completely different matter.
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
So, you have an issue with the fact that abortions cost money? I hate to tell you this, but so do most medical procedures. I bet you don't protest tooth removals. Abortion IS a type of surgery.
You're avoiding the question or you're failing to read the proposal. My question was is it worth it to identify miscarried fertilized eggs, not whether there was someone responsible for it.
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
No my issue is that abortion is cheaper than most surgical procedures hence doctors recommending it a lot of the time. Except from the doctors with morals.
If thats what the mother wants then thats fair enough, I would personally get over this sad time and try again for a child.
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
I can tell you that claim is a load of garbage. I have a lot of relatives who are doctors, if I told them what you said they'd burst out laughing.
Abortion doctors are among the most selfless and corageous people on the planet.
So it shouldn't be mandatory to inspect for the fertilized eggs? It should be voluntary then? Risk a 'burial at sea' for what you believe are living people? That's cold of you.
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
Certain irony in you calling me cold.
Theirs a lot of evidence supporting that "claim".
Abortion doctors are among the most selfless and corageous people on the planet.? thats bs, Abortion doctors are willing to kill innocent babies, how brave of them ? They kill babies then move on, just cause they are paid to do it, yeh thats very selfless
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
You're the one that believes they are living children, so yeah that label falls on you.
No there isn't actual evidence.
Abortion doctors put their lives on the line every day, suffer harassment and death threats from fanatics and risk their safety to help women who need them. There are medical fields way more profitable than abortion care that have no risks. (and are you trying to imply that its wrong for doctors to get paid? lol)
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
Im implying that its wrong for people who specialize in killing to get paid. You say they are there for the women who need them, so whos their for her baby ? no one.
there is evidence ill send you the statistic's if you want.
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
Once again, its not killing. So these doctors should work for free?
The women are there for their existing children and need the doctors for their own lives and health. Existing people have doctors.
Statistics on what? That non-existent people don't have doctors? I have some real stats I could send you if you like.
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
Yeh doctors who specialize in killing shouldnt get paid in my opinion as they have take vows to save lives not take them away. If they are so "selfless" then why wld they want paid ?.
i have real stats as well, just ask ill send you the link.
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
Doctors take vows to help their patients and that is what they do, helping the women who are their patients.
Do you know how ridiculous it is for you to say abortion doctors should like a monastic lifestyle when other doctors don't? They could make money way more easily in any other medical focus but they choose to risk their lives for their patients.
loner1878 9 months ago
@loner1878
Helping the women, killing the children ? that doesnt seem fair.
Really ? I would say a medical officer in the army is much more likely to put their lives in danger for their patients. They risk their lives ? The chances of them being murdered for what they do isnt that high. They could make more money in other field but maybe they cant seem to get a job anywhere else or they just like killing children
MrCallum180 9 months ago
@MrCallum180
Embryos don't count as children. That's the main problem in your argument. And yes, a living, born woman takes precedence over a potential undeveloped life any day.
You know what? Life isn't fair.
Army medics are serving the army are fighting in war zones. That is to be expected. However, abortion doctors are on domestic soild and face consant death threats at the hands of anti choice terrorists with no army around to protect them. Your comparison is completely moot.
loner1878 9 months ago