Okinawan Karate Training

[kiddynamo41]

i've always wondered how heavy those stone weights are. does anyone know?

[IsCumaFut2]

@kiddynamo4 they look to be about 20kgs

[faron27]

the reason so many MMA fighter get hurt is because they do not train like this! your hands must be like knifes your toes like arrows your mind empty.

[maggimaster]

the dux ryu style remains my style of choice and is a very interesting style

[filmfan555]

thx for the answers, yes you might be right,havent thought about that but in that case they should be stronger (i actually believe it, because i believe in the strentgh of martial arts, especially in karate, cause i do it by myself) than any bodybuilder with fat muslces shouldnt they?

[pro0913]

@filmfan555 Completely depends on the training. BodyBuilders gain strength through intense workouts done a few times a week, and they use weights most of the time. Karate, for example, is done daily and it uses the body's weight, like push ups, in an endurance type of way, like holding a stance, holding jars, and slow/controlled movements. The strength every B-B and Martial Artist from every style gains is entirely dependant on what they want, so you cant simply compare strength like that lol

[filmfan555]

i know how well-trained they are, how fit they are and how hard the original okinawan training is. but why i reaaally seldom see someone whose muscles are defined like they actually have to be? why they dont look like their training? actually they have to look like musclemans havent they? i really wonder...

[megajames3000]

@filmfan555 i dont think they run much, so they arent defined. like how power lifters are huge and not defined . this is like stregnth and endurance traing

[pro0913]

@filmfan555 The reason they look like that is because 1) they are a bit old, so they will stop developing muscles and go through a whole body transformation (younger martial artists might exhibit a more defined body) and 2) Real Martial Arts training is mostly endurace-based, and its done daily. This sort of daily, endurance training doesn't allow the muscles to grow in size as they are constantly broken down. If you look at bodybuilders, their training is weekly but very intense- very different

[Ares69ful]

san schin kata

[Alucarum]

someone knows what is the weight of those in the beggining and of those vases?

[MrBoneStripper98]

carry'ng those damn pots around lol.

but the result is more than worth it.

i had something i was looking at (some little hand held thing) at McDonalds

(rotten ronies)

and someone went and grabbed it out of my hand

(big pet peave of mine and he knew it)

and with the other hand i grabbed his wrist and squeezed, he gave it back befor i even said anything and was shaking his hand when i let him go.

[charly345mstl]

Okinawa-Thi

[neselul]

any bjj blue will eat this dudes

[PunkHippie1971]

@neselul if he's good

[Blue18242]

@neselul That's not what its about.

[MrBoneStripper98]

@neselul

the bjj guys better hope that they dont get struck, cuz if they do its gonna be nasty, i have seen bjj go up against people like this personaly, the bjj guys are ok till they get hit.

[corvanjer]

@MrBoneStripper98 It's incredibly hard to takedown a stand-up karate practitioner, incredibly hard.

[Hankthejollyspoon]

@corvanjer Uuuh, no, it isn't, whilst sinking into a sumo or horse stance is better than an MT or KB stance, catching one on the lurch is an almost guaranteed shoot or throw, most Karateka are poo in the clinch, and almost none can sprawl.

If you can grapple, your opponent can't, and he isn't twice as large, you can almost always get a TD, you might not get a great position, but unless they can grapple on the ground that's immaterial.

[smkalberta]

Traditional jar training from what I understand is personal in that you have your own jars and as you progress with the jars you add handfuls of sand and continue with that. Master Nakahodo's jars I understand are almost impossible for anyone else to lift. Conditioning is a slow process all these masters have been training for several decades and are all 6th degree or higher in rank, there is no quick or instant way to do what they are demonstrating, only years of dedication and hard work.

[MrBoneStripper98]

@smkalberta

mmm having been a martial artist for over 10 years now, i couldent agree more.

[Aramis2000]

How do they not wreck their bodies (specifically their joints)? I'd like to train myself a bit harder, but I don't want to damage my body as a young man -- I want to be able to do this into old age. Tips???

[MrBoneStripper98]

@Aramis2000

definatly well just look into proper form striking with the corect area, (a tire is a good tool) talk to master

"Jay Penfil" he is my instructor at the moment i have never met one who knows the "what you are doing in your forms" more than he does. and he has a very extensive knowlage of the human body, if anybody ask him. he is on face book.

[Aramis2000]

@MrBoneStripper98 Thanks!

[MrBoneStripper98]

@Aramis2000

always glad to help out fam.

[Blue18242]

@Aramis2000 Yeah dude, start slow, gentle, it is rough on your body and you can't afford to just go smack things.

[emulare11]

All I can say is I hope they don't drop those weights or jars on their bare feet..

[bellend1974]

wtf is he lost ?

[LoukopoulouK]

So good to see Jundokan Dojo...

[ytkarpdm]

it is training with unhandy weigths, not so much special okinawan style.

In this modern time it is easier to work with other weigths as wrists.

[MrByaeger]

this stuff may seem silly to modern mma guys and even what is now called traditional arts, but whatever your style is these exercises will certainly make you better at your craft. these old timers knew what worked , especially the real makiwara. few tools more valuable when training for striking power. fantastic post!

[aslankraw]

if one has good observation, you can see his well trained triceps, but a punch depends on your fist to handle the strength.

[shotokankarate1995]

unlike some people say down below, my sensei Frank Thomas, teaches all his students respect, and expects the same in return, and we also do not focus on fighting, we do one tournament a year

[neo19dude]

@shotokankarate1995 good for you and your school, i rather learn martial arts to defend myself and those i love but never to limit myself to one teaching or principle. i try to train my body and soul in martial arts, not to prove i am superior to any one or any style. i that aspect i can respect your school not focusing on the fighting but the respect of one to another. but i have to admit i do love to fight.

[Samboussr]

@neo19dude Sir this is the thrue spirit of Karate, train your min, soul, body., and respect others.

you have my deep respect for an kyokushinkai karate fellow. OSU!

[neo19dude]

@Samboussr thank you

[mitchx69]

those concrete bricks are like the Russian Kettlebells

[deek77]

@mitchx69 A homemade equivalent, yes (or at least it can be homemade). Called chi shi.

[miyagidojonet]

The Jars about 5 Lb each, not more than 6 pounds.

[pro0913]

Can anyone please tell me how much do the jars at 1:30 weight??

[kubofromsk]

@pro0913 from 12 to 25 kilo each

[Obiwan198]

@pro0913 almost 60 pounds

/watch?v=Mu5hT6R-gWQ&NR=1

[oyabunred45]

omg sensei kiyohide hit's hard o.o

[markohu]

I wish to find those jars fora resoanable price

[pro0913]

Whoa

[tokageroh1988]

find an okinawan goju ryu/uechi ryu school in your area, okinawa karate is greatly spread wordwide today ;)

where do you live? maybe i could help you :)

[sirchristian12]

Dude I am gonna take okinawan. It looks amazing! Hey do you think

if the person is good enough, like a black belt en such, do you think he can beat someone who knows Brazilian ju-juitsu?

[tokageroh1988]

@sirchristian12 i onestly don't know about it, but i think that a good karateka, with a good all around training, based on basics (kihon) forma and applications(kata and bunkai) and sparing related exercises, sensibility training and sparring (kumite) could easily confront with anyone =) the outcome, obviously is based on personl abilities.

sorry for my poor english, just my 2 cent =)

[DimMak4ever]

@sirchristian12 ive got a lifetime into okinawan karate do. take my advice and go with something else!

[budobrubbie]

@DimMak4ever Then you were either a poor student, or you had a poor teacher.

[DimMak4ever]

@budobrubbie wasnt talking to you. as for my being a poor student or having a poor teacher, you are correct ; neither my teacher nor myself were ever very wealthy.

[budobrubbie]

@DimMak4ever I stand corrected. Let me rephrase my statement: What do you have against Okinawan karate?

[DimMak4ever]

@budobrubbie too much of toudi-jutsu has been lost due to lack of honor and character. it must be redeveloped by responsible masters.

there is no honor in keeping secrets from your own following, its a testament to ones own weakness

the last publication of the bubishi made me disgusted

third level bunkai and beyond should never be withheld from any student, i teach it to any student with the aptitude and desire

too much of goju-ryu has been turned into mindless movement.

[afromnkydude]

@DimMak4ever i agree... but karate is more of a sport dont u think

[44excalibur]

@afromnkydude No, Karate was never intended to be a sport. But after World War II there was a dramatic change in the martial arts. Japan abandoned warfare and many styles became sport-orinented(like the Japan Karate Association) while others remained combat-oriented. It all depends on which school you go to. Goju Ryu, Isshin Ryu, Kyokushin, and the Shotokai school of Shotokan Karate remain true to thier combat roots.

[boabmax]

@44excalibur in america yes it is but in japan its more a way of life as is in the uk we practice to better ourselfs not to fight

[DimMak4ever]

@afromnkydude  sadly (for some of us), it has. sort of like how paintball has taken the place of real handguns, and the due respect that the handling of them once commanded.

[warriorfire8103]

@tokageroh1988 Louisiana.

Unfortunately it depends on instructor

[hotpopcorncake]

i wish i could that training