Anti-gay Archbishop visits Wheaton College

[BennyBearesy]

what a fuckin idiot

[nicksum29]

Shout, shout, shout. So American.

[TheRoygatto]

YOUR SO GAY YOU CANT EVEN DRIVE STRAIGHT :)

[box4real]

i am strictly against same sex relatiosnhip,its the biggest sin according to the holy scripture.all homosexual should die,higher they are in population lesser baby come to the world,so we might lose our planet by accepting them.rescue the planet by saying no to homosexual.

[schlummieleinchen]

WOW! You must be hanging with a really sick crowd. Sorry, but I have never met any of those weird people you're describing. Have you? If not, why do you pull such bizarre "examples" out of your ass, since they don't exist in the real world? Is that the only way for you to produce shock and awe, by making it up?

Equality already exists, and it's spreading. You won't stop it with your ignorant propaganda. What's the latest horror story out of Massachusetts? WHERE IS THE REPORT?

[panamanubian]

What did he said, Im black but I know that Africans are very racist towards blacks, so I dont like them.

[box4real]

@panamanubian pure lie,who told u that? as long as u are a black man you are african, so what u wrote here shows that u still need some lesson

[panamanubian]

@box4real I don need any lesson I dont identify my self with african people...I do not any partially african american and black panamenian...I dont identify my self with this guy...africans are more racist than white americans by far...and thats it I dont like them.

[gaylolful]

@panamanubian Lol? Africans are racist? ROFL...Africa is a whole CONTINENT...have you met every single African? LOL? Did we meet each other on the street or something? How am I racist? That's like making up a generalization about black people. Blacks are crack heads...all they do is commit crime(do you appreciate this stereotype???)...don't you hate when people stereotype you and judge you without getting to know you first?

[panamanubian]

@gaylolful Sorry for the stereotype, I should rather say that I hate Africans to the point that I want to see them death. there was a doorman at the building where I used to live at Dupont I live there for almost six years and that fucking african doorman used to give me a hard time everytime that I would try to get into the building, basically I had to go through racism just to get into my house everytime that he was there...I hate africans to the point I want to kill them.

[tennantesque]

Oh for the days when the Church of England would have sent out English men to rule the African Churches, rather than giving them over to these animals.

[sleekcartim]

god makes no mistakes, he creates gays in his image every day.

have a nice day!

[kookoo78]

What is that fool in the pulpit even saying...he sounds like a rabid dog

[gaylolful]

@kookoo78 That's what Nigerians sound like when they're mad LMFAO! I would know this :P

[MooooonDemon]

that bishop is not nice

[CreedChrist]

"Rev" Deborah ? women are not to preach the pulpit(1 tim 2:12)

[kookoo78]

@CreedChrist And this is why Atheism is on a rise...

[mariatinaza]

wow sisters, Liz & Robyn, you said live according to scripture? comon' you take off that make up and those jewellery and use a decent Scriptural clothing! i feel sad that Christian lifting hands at church but also oppressed people in church. please really take off that specks in your own eyes before telling gays to repent. God have mercy on us.

[kern0099]

Wait, if the power of Christ has lost it's meaning and power for her, then why does she bother? I'll tell you, she gets her social privileges form marginalizing non-heterosexuals. She just tacitly admitted that her total indifference to anyone not experiencing her "inner witness" is her main priority in life. No wonder you feel empty hon! And just a hint? It doesn't have anything to do with your disgust of gays, nor anyone else you may find useful to dismiss as "outcast", it's all in your head.

[MrRedFredSaid]

Hateful, evil old bastard.

[richstpete]

Prove your god exists and then we'll talk..........

[TheArtOfHarry]

...Die.

[awwkool]

there is no god has anyone realized that humans tend to worship what they do not understand

[mcflurz]

why is he yelling? he is rather incoherent

[bag2289]

gay sex is alright... it's just God's love... in your butt!

[makoyah]

By next year, i will provide cure for Gay people

around the world....so that they keep away from

this big sickness....

[Beanz920]

@makoyah Its not a sickness, its a natural feeling that a woman feels for a woman or a man feels for a man!

[MaryWaterton]

Archbishop Peter Akinola is a true man of God. He has my support and gratitude. May the Lord bless him greatly for taking a strong stand against sin in the church.

[Merkuri80]

If christianity is the only truth and people living in remote places never heard about christianiaty, will they end up in hell?

If belief is the only thing to make you go to heaven, why does Jesus preach about compassion and forgiveness?

If religion is a natural state, why does the only natural religion have to be christianity?

If god created man as his image, did he not also create homosexuality?

People have found ways and reason to kill each other for ages. Do I have the right to kill u?

[Darkbison7]

You are getting lust and homosexuality confused. You believe that all homosexuals are sex crazed perverts. That is exactly what the white man said when he saw African tribes with men who had many wives.

Unconditional love does not first check the genitalia of the other person in order to exist. That is how a mature, responsible gay relationship is the same as mature, responsible str8 relationship. Do you disagree?

[smithiank]

@Darkbison7 Aren't you getting erotic love and philial love confused? There's nothing at all "gay" in my saying that I (as a man) unconditionally love another man. There's nothing necessarily heterosexual in my saying that I unconditionally love a woman. Love as a word does not have sexual connotations. Saying that both orientations are the same because they (might sometimes) include unconditional love is up there with saying that they are the same because both include people with livers.

[Darkbison7]

@smithiank Different kinds of love. You love your sister and your wife in different ways. Gay men love their brother and husbands in different ways. The love you have for your wife isnt just erotic. (hopefully)

[smithiank]

@Darkbison7 I guess I'm confused about what you mean when you say that "unconditional love does not first check the genitalia of another person." That sounds like "if you don't feel sexually attracted to both genders, your love is too conditional." Maybe I just read you wrong.

[Darkbison7]

That is an opinion. An equally valid opinion would be that blind conformity to the popular suppression of natural human desire in a pointless attempt to gain favor and reward, is corruption at its best.

Ruled by the flesh, ruled by greed for eternal rewards, ruled by fear of punishment...All are ridiculous.

Unconditional love: Love without conditions...including genitalia.

[Darkbison7]

Did that being create everything?

[Darkbison7]

Is religion natural, or is it a lifestyle choice?

What part of nature is Christianity?

[Kiokken]

i remember i would search for mounths fucking so many guys, i love it, & i know all men are to persuade to have sex with me, cuz they all want to be fucked by man in confidence! i'm right, aren't, boys? they can't stop us to do love! ; P

[Darkbison7]

I suppose we should start encouraging gay people to settle down and get married to each other.

If heterosexuals did not ever get married, they would have more sex also.

[JoeyBoya]

spread love.... Equality and peace to everyone

[hoppercap]

Homosexuals are popular; therefore they must be right.

[Darkbison7]

Actually, it is more popular to persecute gays.

Persecution of gays is old, 'and' popular. Therefore it must be right.

[jenlikeshorses]

Religious people are mentally ill. Thats the bottom line.

[hoppercap]

People who like horses are mentally ill. That's just horse sense.

[bads06]

uhm... try reasoning with an animal if they can understand what you are saying that they are perverted...

[bads06]

?????

[bads06]

Sooo.. you are saying that the purpose of a couple is to make babies? Is that the only purpose of a couple to you?

[bads06]

"perversion is anti nature?" <-- How so? Yet you agreed that there are animals that have gay sex too...

"Homosexuality and other pervesions serve no useful purpose in nature."

1) people don't have to reproduce and raise children to lead fulfilled and contributing lives and

2) the blending of masculine and feminine traits results in more pleasing personalities and cooperative characteristics in humans than the division of traits.

-I found this in a psychology site... hope it's useful to you.

[bads06]

So if you agree to this argument... then I can say that Nature is itself a perverted society...

and if Nature is perverted, then Nature is evil... Am i getting this right?

and pardon me but, no man can live without nature, because we are all bound to nature and it's co-inhabitants... You are human so you yourself are perverted...

[bads06]

You're not making any sense...

"It is not normal peoples way, it is the perverts way to love the same sex as you would the opposite."

So whales, dolphins, monkeys, chimps, orangutans, humans and any animal that engages in homosexual sex is considered a pervert?

So the "gay agenda" is degrading the west?

[bads06]

and in what manner does being gay have to do with the end of the world when it's in people's nature to love the same sex?

So is it a crime to be gay? Is being gay such an insult?

[bads06]

"go fuck yourself, whether the world ends or not, we dont have to have the time in it ruined

by evil perverts like yourself."

And me being a "pervert" affects the end of the world in "what" way?

(in what means you called me a pervert?)

[bads06]

Your so worried about the end of the world... get a life... if the end is near... just STFU and lets live life to the fullest and peacefully...

[charlescody]

"Homophobia is a sin whose end time is now!"

Regius Professor of Divinity at the University of Oxford,

The Reverend Canon Marilyn McCord Adams

[NoInhibitions69]

He is a fucking asshole, that is all

To hell with him and his kind.

Shit on him

[jonbasi]

delusional bigots!

[Starlightuk72]

Well Sleepypoodle in the context of this positing i.e. Christianity & Homosexuality I do think it is relevant to quote the bible. Whether you like it on not the bible does take a clear stance when it comes to HomosexualityITS WRONG.END OFF!!!

If you dont have a believe in Godthats your prerogative

[DLFerrariFan]

oh god people like you really need to find fucking hobbies. "the nwo"?! Please. Get a life, faggot.

[sleepypoodle]

Oh don't be so ridiculous, I have never heard so much pretentious nonsense with your 'nwo' adolescant bullshit - grow up!, I have nothing more to say to mental masterbators like you, you're so full of shit I expect your eyes are brown.

[sleepypoodle]

Society is not threatened by gays but by people's selfishness and self-serving approach to life. Parents who fail to spend enough time with their children because they are both working full time, or constant arguing, domestic violence, materialism, greed, lack of respect for themselves and others. Loving someone of the same sex is not a cause of social destruction but an abusive relationship can be. If you had friends or close relatives who were gay you would not make such ignorant assertions.

[sleepypoodle]

There is no such thing as a gay agenda, it is merely about acceptance that being gay is no different from being straight and a desire for respect and equal rights legally. Gays do not dislike straight people or want to turn the world gay, they are born gay and seek to be treated like anyone else. Children of gay couples do not become gay and the only problems they face are entirely caused by the behaviour of bigots and bullies. If there were no prejudice there would be no problem.

[sleepypoodle]

There is absolutely nothing destructive about homosexuality, it is as normal as being left-handed, just because a characteristic is not in a majority does not make it wrong. Homosexuality is simply the desire to love & seek long term emotional and physical relationships with the same sex, it should not even be an issue any more. The idea that it is morally wrong is as outdated & prejudiced as the idea of mixed race partnerships being wrong and those who still condemn homosexuality are dinosaurs.

[sleepypoodle]

The poor old fella's gaydar obviously isn't very reliable - he has a lesbian sitting right behind him...oh the irony! She looks incredibly bored too ...probably wondering if the latest episode of 'The L Word' has appeared on 'youtube' yet, and looking forward to watching it snuggled up with her 'best friend and housemate' who likes to be called Martina behind closed doors.

[YamapiDaisuki02]

I can't even figure out what he's saying long enough to determine whther I agree or not... 0_o

[ikinmoore]

It is odd that a Black priest will be anti gay yet if the Americans were anti black there would be an out cry ! Shame on him and all his kind ! Give Homosexuals equal rights !

[globehunter2]

I do agree with you on the fact that the new world order will be nothing to wish for! either if your gay or not. A world ruled by cruel and power hungry people. Aworld with little or no freedom for most. Thats the real issue preventing this horror from attacking man kind and all decent individuals.

[globehunter2]

There you go again blameing Homosexuality on the down fall of western society' gay people

did not envent Nuclear bombs and corrupt politians with greedy intent! this social fabric would have been destroyed with out gay people. I know Heterosexual people,s ruin

is from their own doing. Like you say gay people are the minority): so dont cast your devils of social decay on us. And if we take over it will perhaps be a positive thing concidering all the War..Greed..abortions..

striaghts do.

[globehunter2]

Heterosexuality can also lead to a destructive end, countless devorces ..domestic

violence..unwanted children..wife beating..etc. Dont cast all the blame on Homosexuality. Your only afraid of it! and fear is dangerous and ignorant. Dont try to condemn what you no little about. Two people in love of the same sex presents no harm to anyone.

[Zowyla]

I can't understand a damn thing he's saying.

[globehunter2]

This old black Homophobe! is evil and ignorant): this gray headed black fool

is the cause of so much gay hate in the

world. Disgusting!

[globehunter2]

Homophobic Preachers spreading fear and hate,

using stereotypes and homophobia to make try

and prevent to people of the same sex from enjoying their lives. This Evil message of ant-Gay churches trying to condemn a pure and natural human behavior. how sad.

[Luigifan18]

Dear God... -_-;

[Starlightuk72]

Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sod´om and upon Go•mor´rah. 25 So he went ahead overthrowing these cities, even the entire District and all the inhabitants of the cities and the plants of the ground Genesis 19: 24,25

[Starlightuk72]

Before they could lie down, the men of the city, the men of Sod´om, surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. 5 And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them. Genesis 19:4-5

[sleepypoodle]

Funny how bible bashers like you never quote from the parts which demand that a woman who is raped be FORCED to MARRY her rapist to protect her father's reputation...don't use this ridiculous book to justify your prejudices so selectively. You obviously don't like homosexuality and it has NOTHING to do with the bible, just have the balls to admit it, you hypocrite and coward. I bet you have a mortgage form a 'money lender' too despite what your bible says about them being stoned to death! BIGOT!

[Starlightuk72]

What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit Gods kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit Gods kingdom 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

[elcohitter]

And St. Paul declared, "there is nothing absolutely nothing that can seperate you from the love of God."

[Starlightuk72]

What are the Bible accounts of Homosexuality?

[erkekler]

Let the dissenters go and be led by the Nigerian bishop Akinola :-)

Conditions in their church will, in time, come to resemble conditions in Africa.

Maybe they can incorporate witchcraft, shrunken heads, and female genital mutilation into their services.

[thursdaysrecords]

Here is the TEST to determine a GOOD person from a BAD one: The bad one expects sacrifices only from others, while finding no fault with his own selfishness and desperation to make decisions for others.

The problem with gay marriage is that there is no problem. Whenever there is no problem, the Christian Taliban swoops in to fix things.

There are no reasons to be unfair, mean and hateful, only excuses. Never be ashamed to love, be ashamed to hate. Be very ashamed!

[drocsoulja843]

preachers like that are idiots and should not be deemed to preach...what ever happened about preaching to worship god....in the bible...if he is familiar with it says love the sinner but hate the sin

[ColumbiaCowboy]

Actually that's not in the Bible at all.

Then again, there's nothing in the Bible that says homosexuality is a sin, either.

Not being loving towards others, spreading hate and bigotry and fear, those are DEFINATELY called sin throughout scripture. Homophobia is NOT Christian. People like Akinola using scripture to hate is a greater sin than any sex act could be.

[Jibjub80]

Akinola is about the worst of a bad bunch, except maybe for Fred Phelps. I also could not understand a word he was saying, because of the combination of his shouting, and his thick accent. They shouldn't allow bigots like Akinola to preach in America. He's also very low-church. I much prefer to attend a high church, which places emphasis on the sacraments, rather than mere preaching.

[luvtruble]

We have anough gay-bashers in America w/o people coming from other countries spouting their gay hatred.

[chocolateguyinbkk]

Thanks to all.akinola is not talking about memember but about the leaders.if a leader such sinful what will he teach his members.I SUPPORT AKINOLA .PUSH FORWARD OR LET AFRICA ANGLICAN STAY AWAY WITH SUCH PEOPLE

[ArsoSensei]

i don't think anyone should be oppressed. I believe homosexuality is not what God intended, but when i sin i'm just as bad as a homosexual. There is no dividing line. We all are stuck in sin until we allow Jesus to take the blame for us. To many people who are anti-gay get caught up in their selfrighteousness when they are just as bad. I think that is where akinola's fault is.

[superstubes]

Go home Akinola,your views are Victorian and dangerous.

[Bongonesia]

Good for Mr. Akinola!

Even if you don't agree with his message, you have to admit that he's got guts for preaching what he believes in.

[samanthatina]

yes, guts to be a bigot.

[MasterMark123]

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ . - Gandhi

[DaKrazedKyubizt]

that is a great saying.

[Exsecrabilis]

Good quote, MasterMark123.

[crackwhorebaby]

gayness is a mental problem they should make it a crime and lock them up

[Exsecrabilis]

Gays don't have a mental problem, check psychological websites for references, crackwhorebaby, thank you.

[TimeGoesBySoSlowly99]

First of all, gays don't have a mental problem.

Second, if it WAS a mental problem, how could you lock them up for a crime they would have no control over?

Most ignorant person ever!

[BISHOPHD3]

It is not about what you and I think, or our personal feelings on the matters of right and wrong, it is the say so of God, when it comes to the Bible, and those whom believe in God

[Exsecrabilis]

Plausable, BISHOPHD3, but but not everyone is christian in the states, there exist other religions and non religeous folks out there that this rules may not apply to.

[toobie48]

No Christian follows Christ's teachings to the letter....they put all their energy into hating others for not following it. Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here? Religion is a personal opinion. Please keep it to yourself. No one needs to hear about who you hate, got it?

[Exsecrabilis]

I hope this phrase may help you on this matter, toobie-48:To those who would like to join a religeous group:-->

"ABANDOM HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE!"

[toobie48]

And joining a religious group still doesn't give anyone the right to judge others. Religion can get so f$%@ed up!

[Exsecrabilis]

Understandable, toobie-48, many people feel the same way, nobody is perfect so nobody has the right to judge others.

[shifta65]

Exsecrabilis: You wrote: "nobody has the right to judge others." REALLY? Then why do we have judges and courts all over the country? And why are we supposed to be judged by our peers? And aren't parents supposed to judge their small children, and guide them to what is good while avoiding what is bad? Maybe the reason American society is so screwed up these days is because not enough people are being judgmental; instead, nearly anything goes and nearly everyone looks the other way.

[Exsecrabilis]

Your right about having judges at courts judging for peoples actions and sentencing them to prison if so found guild of a crime, yet judging others for being different is just another matter where that person is being bias and arrogant.I have mention before elsewhere here in youtube that first impressions can be very misleading. If our peers wants to judge us base on their own believes towards us then they are just being mislead into believing what first impresions may lead them to believe.

[Exsecrabilis]

We as human being have not being able to fully acknowledge everything around us as to say that we have the right to judge other. Yet, most of the time we base our judgement on other's opinions regardless of doing a bit of background work to fine the answers for ourself and see if those opinions are true or not. Perhaps ignorance was a bliss a while back, now its being used as an excuse to escape reality through denial.

[Exsecrabilis]

cont: hope this helps a bit, shifta65.

[Exsecrabilis]

Oh and my apologies,

Greetings and salutations, shifta65.

[shifta65]

Exsecrabilis: It seems more reasonable to judge a person's behavior rather than a person's character. Our court system is designed for judging behavior. The courts try to mete out appropriate punishment or vindication based upon behavior, but courts know very little about our true character traits. Judging a person's character usually should be left to God because only HE knows our inner thoughts and secret intentions.

[Exsecrabilis]

Understandable, shifta65, it would be a lot easier if the judges new our true nature and understand civilians, yet there are far to many to get acquanted with and getting acquanted itself can provoke problems of favoritism. But be aware that not many share those points of views, there are those that don't believe in a monotheist system while others don't believe in a "god" at all and this is where the conflict begins to collide between two or more sub-cultures: religious and non.

[Exsecrabilis]

Furthermore, if such a "god" exist then its only up to that "god" to take action instead of leading his/her followers do the battle for him/her. We as human beings have a bigger role to perform here on this planet before out time to expire comes. And to say exactly what it is I cannot say nor the bible can say. For a reason we are here yet each one of us must find it on our own before that time frame ends and out time has come to expire.

[Exsecrabilis]

cont: I guess in theory that we are on a quest, yet to say to what or for what I do not know. The bible cannot intepret it nor "filling the hole in your heart" statement will not do, its something much bigger than that! Something within that connects something we are not aware of. The problem is that we all are way too busy to notice, working, paying bills, growing in many forms, hating, laugh, loving that probably we are not paying enough attention.. Sorry im babbling out loud again, :(

[xEirixYukix]

Everyone just needs to stop hating everyone else. Then maybe this world would see some good. We're all human, therefore we're all equal.

[bsiemon82]

If Marriage is between a man and a woman

then how come more CHRISTIANS are divorcing than NON-CHRISTIANS??

[bsiemon82]

Would you ever deny two people hospital visitation rights?

What about not including someone in your will?

what about not sharing health insurance?

i'm tired of you ignorant conservative christians!!!

[alexdunklebron]

if gays were meant to be married they why did gays marry 2000 years ago. it is common sense that gays and lesbians are not supposed to be married. its just old people acting like little children

[DeaconKen]

If homosexuals were meant to have families, the homosexual sex act would produce children.

[CatholicCrusaders]

Two men wallowing in each others feces, is in my book totally PERVERTED.

[jurandirbeline]

gay people!! read the bible ROMANS 1 :1- 20

THERE YOU ARE GONNA SEE WHY U R GAY.

[Exsecrabilis]

If "homosexuals" are who they are so be it, jurandirbeline, who are you or I to pass judgement on others? Will pointing fingers give you or anyone else front row seats with "god"? Please open your eyes and see the hurting you and other are causing. This guys can bleed, rejoice, and cry like everyone else. There are not object or things: evil machine create by some evil force for evil purposes, as preachers make you and other see them as. Get to know them first before judging.

[Exsecrabilis]

Who knows, jurandirbeline, you may have similar interest or taste on various things and may share a few notes here and there. Besides shaking their hand won't turn you or other queers. Thats just a myth made up by haters. "Homosexuals" enjoy company and are only attracted to other "homosexuals" so relax, they don't byte. Actually they are fun and friendly, and I visit some when I need advice. I won't say on which topic, but you get the picture. C'mon let yourself go, what do you have to loose?

[funkedurmom]

aww, crazy catholics... just ignore them and they'll go away.

[genegroom]

Peter Akinola - is the Primate of Nigeria, as well ad primate of tradition Episcopal Churches in Americe. He's not Catholic. He's Anglican

[Jordywind]

To be gay is natural!! any1 who thinks it is natural shouldn't ever use aircrafts because they arent natural then! and they should not have the chance to recieve treatment for illness because that isnt natural! if its an arguement about whats natural and what isnt, i believe homophobia isn't natural to have so much self hate inside yourself that you have to inflict pain of others......its sad to say the least xxx

[CAndiron]

If you're an orthodox Christian trying to caricature stupid liberal arguments, you've done a brilliant job. If you're sincere - I'd just like to point out - immoral sexual acts are intrinsically *immoral* and that is why they are condemned. They are not condemned because they are artificially manufactured like airplanes. Why do you assume it is about 'self hate' and 'inflicting pain'? What if it's about protecting your kids from being exposed to perverts in bathrooms?

[GladHummer]

CAndiron: homosexuality has absolutley nothing to do with kids and perverts in bathrooms. a homosexual and a pedofile are comepletely different people. they're unrelated. pedofilism is horrible. gays don't go around hurting innocent kids or anyone else. get it right.

[Exsecrabilis]

CAndiron, please research on your topics before putting an arguement, bro, thanks.

[MaryVictorious]

"Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God". People have the wool pulled over their eyes if they think it is natural, moral and accepted by God.

Lord Have Mercy.

Mary pray for us!

[CAndiron]

Amen. As far as I'm concerned, Rowan has abdicated by his inaction, he's a Spongian at heart. Hopefully Akinola, Orombi, Venables, Gomez and Jensen will have the chutzpah to lead with courage and faithfulness.

[Exsecrabilis]

How you know its an abomination in the eyes of "god", MaryVictorious? Did he reveal that to you personally or the preacher or is that just an excuse to hate another by washing your hands with the bible and "god" and hate freely? Be honest now..

[GypsyWytch]

Homophobia is terrible. Homophobes are such cowards. They hide behind the "God says it's wrong" excuse like the shits that they are. Why don't they just admit that they are the ones with the problem and not homosexuals? They're not hurting a single person. Just leave them the hell alone. Live your own life.

[CAndiron]

It's not that simple. There are behaviors which don't cause immediate physical harm to people (incest, bestiality, substance abuse, necrophilia, adultery, etc.) which we would agree are intrinsically immoral. There is also the fact that homosexuals are trying to indoctrinate others - if I oppose activist X it's not because I "hate" activist X, it's because I want to prevent him from lying to people that I love and causing them to act in sinful ways that will have eternal consequences for them.

[GypsyWytch]

Those "eternal consequences" are alleged and meaningless. It's their life, not yours. Leave them alone.

[Exsecrabilis]

In a way, this "homosexuals" have every right to express themself freely with accordance to the constitution, CAndiron, and I'm sure those love one you try to protect will apreciate it, its really sweet of you but there are limits when it comes for the church to practice its laws and interfere with the common laws.

[professionalnovice]

how come everyone is so homophobic-phobic?

[CAndiron]

hehe - self refuting, to be sure.

[Exsecrabilis]

For one part, some religions believe that they are beyond the common laws, prefessionalnovice, and in addition bigot and bias when it comes to those that appose their doctrine. Preachers preach hate and fear to the christian communities against almost anyone as far as I have seen. They believe to be self-righteous but really say one thing and do another. Self - refuting is only a dilusional excuse so dismissed that for the momment. Yet question them further till you find your answers.

[wakeupnow31]

You seem to forget free will. God created all people but as many have found their free will used agenst Gods will result in damnation.

[Exsecrabilis]

Perhaps, ekejr, but during health class we learn that man has a G-spot in the anal area, I don't know why, but I'm guessing that that G-spot works in the same manner as the G-spots of the opposite sex. In short: Pleasure or bliss.

[JoeyBoya]

Spread love and acceptance. Celebrate Equality

[jaadewoye]

Hello CAndiron, I am a Nigerian and I am gay. I am not sure of your nationality, nor do I know anything of your sexual orientation, but your comment that Akinola is God led by supporting Nigeria Government in the proposal of five years jail term for gay and lesbian' made me perceive you as a racist or homophobe. It leaves me with concern as to what you understand as God's action and God led actions?

[jaadewoye]

Hello CAndiron, I am a Nigerian and I am gay. I am not sure of your nationality, nor do I know anything of your sexual orientation, but your comment that Akinola is God led by supporting Nigeria Government in the proposal of five years jail term for gay and lesbian' made me perceive you as a racist or homophobe. It leaves me with concern as to what you understand as God's action and God led actions?

[CAndiron]

Cleotube, you are truly a pig. You cannot piggyback your filthy desires onto the civil rights cause. That is dishonest. Akinola is led by God's word... and you say he's brainwashed.

You on the other hand are led around by the nose by whatever idiotic desire is slung across your brain at the moment. And you mindlessly yack to support it. So who's brainwashed?

[jaadewoye]

Ethnocentrism and Slavery was justified with the Bible by people like you who felt they were created superior by God and others were not. If Jesus was like you, He would not have had anything to do with human beings not to talk of eating with St. Peter and spending time with tax collectors.

[SankofaWay]

It is clear that what is being passed off as Christianity--the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ--is not what it claims. We all should keep this in mind.

To find real change, and to create real equality, we must first understand how the teachings of Jesus Christ have been misquoted, misused, and misunderstood. This is why people who are homophobic need to skip over Jesus and either quote the Hebrew Bible or the apostles when they want to justify their bigotry.

[cleotube]

i see little difference between the impact bigotry and internalized oppression or colonization.

[SankofaWay]

If I understand what you mean here, you are writing that there is little difference between the way bigotry, internalized oppression, and colonization influences a group of people.

If I understand you correctly, I would have to disagree.

Today, bigotry can be expressed in many ways and affects communities in many different ways. MORE

[SankofaWay]

Within what most of us call Black or African American communities there is consistent bigotry against women and gays. Women and gays are affected in similar ways. Both are considered other or less than heterosexual men. Both are undervalued as contributing members of Black society. Both are treated as objects; women are the objects of passion (whether love or hate) for men. Gays are the objects of disgust and blame. MORE

[SankofaWay]

Most of the time, this bigotry is justified by religion--whether Christianity or some other tradition such as Islam. An additional effect of religiously based bigotry is that people who are considered to be, or believe they are, outside the 'mainstream' of a society feel superior and included. The feel superior to those they see as other, and they feel included in a community that has bigotry in common. MORE

[SankofaWay]

Internalized oppression describes a mental attitude whereby people expect less because they have been conditioned over time to believe that they are less. While often those who demonstrate that they have the most internalized oppression also demonstrate that they have a great deal of bigotry or xenophobia, bigotry and internalized oppression do not have the same effect on a group of people. MORE

[SankofaWay]

Internalized oppression is how one sees herself in the world and bigotry is how one sees others in the world. The effect of internalized oppression is personal, or internal. The effect of bigotry is communal, or external. MORE

[SankofaWay]

Colonization is a process whereby one culture is destroyed and an outside culture is installed in its place. Colonization in the past happened repeatedly in countries that are not considered European. The original cultures (and history) in these countries were systematically destroyed and replaced with a foreign culture.

You are, however, correct in your observation that the three are linked and need to be addressed before healing happens. DONE

[Exsecrabilis]

Well said, SankofaWay, well said.

[cleotube]

I guess many Black Americans will never realize that the whole Christian frame-work comes out of a white Victorian [white] genetic survival agenda (connected to destroying those who don't reproduce, and women who know they don't need men). Akinola is not special in the western world, or where-ever Africans have been colonized. He's just another post-colonial brainwashed person, doing his masters bidding. His masters (though some behaviorally are homosexual) institutionally reject homosexuality.

[cleotube]

Black so-called gays/lesbians, who put their energy into attacking another victim of white supremacy (Akinola) R destructive participants in a divisive game that benefits few Black people. The Black homosexual collective is so screwed up politically, regarding it's state of both mental & physical health, spirituality & even how many treat one another. So, it's really not in the position to critique Akinola. Both sides R not in control of its empowerment destiny.

[cleotube]

Black homosexuals needs to heal & unify each other, & be about Black empowerment before stepping up to the likes of Slave Akinola.

[cleotube]

When I said,"Both sides R not in control of its empowerment destiny." what I meant was "Black people on both sides of this 'sex/jesus' issue R not TAKING control of its empowerment destiny. There is passion on both sides, but neither side has much to do with Black unity, and us reducing our tendency to harm & attack each other - through white/european/post-colonial/h­egomonic agendas. We need a Black restoration, mental health and unity agenda. Everything else is wasteful BS.

[SankofaWay]

It is clear that what is being passed off as Christianity--the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ--is not what it claims. We all should keep this in mind.

To find real change, and to create real equality, we must first understand how the teachings of Jesus Christ have been misquoted, misused, and misunderstood. This is why people who are homophobic need to skip over Jesus and either quote the Hebrew Bible or the apostles when they want to justify their bigotry.

[CAndiron]

Note the attempt to equate temptation with ethnicity. Does this mean every sin you are tempted towards is not really sin, because racism is wrong? You see the lengths to which people will go to justify their sin? Also note the contempt for scripture. Lets just forget about Paul, and shut our brains off about Mt 19:4-6

[CAndiron]

Oh dear. Akinola wants to liberate gays from bondage to sin. The people who call him 'homophobe' are Pharisees. They are like drug dealers trying to convince you that drugs aren't really harmful at all, since they want to keep you hooked and destroy you.

[glenpier]

I completely agree. Akinola is a huge homophobe. And it is astonishing that Black People, who have had such terrible troubles with bigotry, would join in the attacks on an even more persecuted minority.

[SankofaWay]

To the two women who think that Akinola helps them remember the 'power of Christ' I say: please search the Bible yourself for any reference that Jesus makes to 'homosexuality.'

Please search the Bible yourself for any example of Christ calling for the beating, killing, raping, and imprisonment of gays and lesbians.

Then decide for yourself what Akinola, and people like him, actually represents in this world.