Trojan war- 1700+/- BCE (Also the date most Greek Scholars including Homer give for the fall of the Minoan Empire and its capture by Greeks)
Minoan Empire- pre 4500 BCE, before the Hellens came from Arabia to create Greece.
And yes, you're right. Homer calls the Cretans Eteocretans ("true Cretans") in the Odyssey, to make them categorically distinct from the Greeks that settled there.
@LuckyDukeSeven ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE GREEKS ARE ARABS? WERE THE MYCENAEAN ARABS,?...WAS ARISTOTLE ,AND PLATO AND SOCRATES AND THE THOUSANDS GREEK MINDS ARABS?....WERE THE CITIZENS OF THE SACRED LAND OF GREECE ARABS?...WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?..IN YOUR PATHETIC DREAMS?...BEHAVE NOW IRISH MAN!
Yes, 6500 Thousand years ago, a tribe migrated from modern day Syria to modern day Greece. The took over the indigenous people (mixing with them) and soon became known as the Greeks. Originally, one has to be of the originator races. Eurasian, Arabid, African, Sindid, Caucasoid. All these races mixed together to make the races of today.
Greeks were born of the Arabians, but became a separate and powerful group of people (but genetically, your still 1/3 Semitic)
@LuckyDukeSeven READ THE PANEGYRICUS OF ISOCRATES TO SEE HOW PURE THE GREEKS ARE!...ARE YOU CRAZY OR SOMETHING?..GREEKS NEVER CAME FROM ANY PLACE,THEY ARE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF GREECE!..PELASGIANS AND GREEKS THE SAME ΕΘΝΟΣ....
Kid, there's a difference between a story, and reality. The works attributed to Homer are myths that are probably based on events that happened in the Mycenaean age. End of story. Yes, troy exists. It doesn't mean a Demi-God waged war against it.
No, Hellenes are not indigenous to Greece. How can one be indigenous to anywhere? Humans migrate. Hellenes migrated to Greece.
Pure? Look up the Greek Haplotype. It's 30% E1b1 (North African Arab) and 30% J2 (North Arabian.)
@LuckyDukeSeven HELLENES NEVER MIGRATED FROM ANYWHERE!..DO YOU THINK OTHER PLACES BORE PEOPLE,AND THE LAND OF GREECE DOES NOT?...WHAT IS IT WITH YOU?..You are wrong about the Hellenic tribes that came after. The Hellenic tribes were always living in the Aegean area and came from no where.THESE STUDIES ARE ABSOLUTELY FALSE!... The HAPLOTYPE IS R1b1b2 in Greece ,AND ALSO R1b-S28 lineages, R1b1b2 to Greece, NO TRACE OF AFRICAN OR ARABIAN!..
@LuckyDukeSeven The admixture analysis code Admix2_0 was used to compute the estimators mY initially described in Bertorelle and Excoffier.22 The analysis was performed on E3b1b-M81 using as parental populations: Algerians and Tunisians (63 of 202 individuals), Egyptians (7 of 53 individuals) provided by Arredi et al23 and Continental Greeks (0 of 222 individuals; AP, ......SO RELAX NOW WITH YOUR DISTORTION!
ACtually, google the genetic Atlas. The main Haplotype you're looking for is the "J2" haplotype, which is the North Arabian faction.
Yes, Greeks/Hellenes DID migrate to their homeland. They met the natives living on the land of Greece, conqueror them, and combined with them. As I told you, this was 6,500 BCE. Long before the Mycenaean myths and stories and lore.
Greece is relatively new compared to it's sister sister societies (Egypt, Mesopot., Syria)
@LuckyDukeSeven THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE ANCIENT TEXT TO MENTION ANYTHING LIKE THAT!...ALL THE ANCIENT GREEK SCHOLARS SAY THEY ARE APHTHOXTHONES!....WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION? IN YOUR DREAMS! MYCENAEAN MYTHS?.... MYCENAE IS THERE WAITING FOR YOU TO SEE IT!..IT'S NOT A MYTH! ..GREEKS CREATED EGYPT!...EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATIONS STARTED WITH THE VERY ANCIENT GREEKS,AND FINISHED WITH THE GREEK PTOLEMIES! THAT'S THE ONLY TRUTH!
@LuckyDukeSeven The name Pelasgians (Ancient Greek: Πελασγοί, Pelasgoí, singular Πελασγός, Pelasgós) was used by some ancient Greek writers to refer to populations THE FIRST Hellenes in Greece, "a hold-all term for any ancient, primitive and autochthonous people in the Greek world." In general, "Pelasgian" has come to mean more broadly all the autochthonous inhabitants of the Aegean!
@LuckyDukeSeven .In Greek mythology, Agamemnon is the son of King Atreus of Mycenae and Queen Aerope; the brother of Menelaus and the husband of Clytemnestra;was the king of Mycenae . When Helen, , was abducted by Paris of Troy, Agamemnon was the commander of the Achaeans in the ensuing Trojan WarAtreus was murdered by Aegisthus, who took possession of the throne of Mycenae and ruled jointly with his own father Thyestes, Atreus´twin brother ...REAL PEOPLE ,REAL CITY!
@LuckyDukeSeven ALSO AS I TOLD YOU GREEKS CREATED EGYPT!..Danaus, or Danaos ("sleeper" ; Greek Δαναός), was a Greek mythological character, twin brother of Aegyptus.........EGYPT WAS CREATED BY THE GREEKS!........ and son of Achiroe and Belus, a mythical king of Egypt. The myth of Danaus is a foundation legend (or re-foundation legend) of Argos, one of the foremost Mycenaean cities of the Peloponnesus
Ok. So I'm talking to someone who believes Greek MYTHS as though they were facts.
Listen kid. Those stories AREN'T real. They're the creation stories made up during the classical Mycenaean era. Zeus and the Titans aren't real. If you're going to believe something as insane as "Greeks created Egypt" I have nothing more to argue with you about.
"We are but children compared to these peoples (Speaking of the Egyptians)" - Herodotus
@LuckyDukeSeven DO NOT LIE!.... O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why.
@LuckyDukeSeven There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth......
@LuckyDukeSeven When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. Whereas in this land, neither then nor at any other time, does the water come down from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below; for which reason the traditions preserved here are the most ancient.
@LuckyDukeSeven Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient time
@LuckyDukeSeven In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land ,THE FAIREST AND NOBLEST RACE OF MEN WHICH EVER LIVED.. and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived....
@LuckyDukeSeven . And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word. For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven.
@LuckyDukeSeven GODDESS ATHENA SOLON SAID THE PRIEST founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old.
@LuckyDukeSeven As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves. If you compare these very laws with ours you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours as they were in the olden time. OLDEN TIMES!...GREEKS WERE IN OLDEN TIMES!...DO YOU UNDERSTAND?...... CHALLENGE ME IF YOU CAN!
@LuckyDukeSeven . In Homer's Iliad, "Danaans" ("tribe of Danaus") and "Argives" In Greek mythology, Epaphus (Ἔπαφος), also called Apis, was the son of Zeus and Io and a king of Egypt.
The name/word Epaphus means "Touch".....greek meaning..... This refers to the manner in which he was conceived, by the touch of Zeus' hand.....
@LuckyDukeSeven ...... He was born in Euboea (Herodotus, Strabo) or, according to others, in Egypt, on the river Nile, after the long wanderings of his mother. He was then concealed by the Curetes, by the request of Hera, but Io sought and afterward found him in Syria.
@LuckyDukeSeven Epaphus is regarded in the myths as the founder of Memphis, Egypt. With his wife, Memphis (or according to others, Cassiopeia), he had one daughter, Libya. Another of his daughters bore the name of Lysianassa.......ALL GREEK!!!!!DO NOT FLATTER YOUR SELF BY DISTORTING THINGS!!!!
@LuckyDukeSeven ALSO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ORIGINS OF THE GREEKS...HERE YOU GO....Who told you that the Greeks are descended from an other civilization?....You really don't know NOTHING about Greece!... .You don't know about Golden Age that had ended at some vague time in the distant past, giving way to a Silver Age, a Bronze Age, then the race of heroes ,and demi- gods like Hercules, who approached the golden race...and then... Iron Age.....
@LuckyDukeSeven Prometheus a Titan, one of the race of gods who had reigned in heaven through the Golden Age, but were toppled from power by Zeus and his Olympians .so called because they were said to live on Mount Olympus, in northern Greece,Prometheus CREATED THE FIRST HUMANS, has been associated ever since with heroic daring and originality in the cause of science. Today we use the word ‘Promethean’ for a scientist or scientific venture which seems especially intrepid in its ambition.
@LuckyDukeSeven Prometheus,son , Deucalion, built an ark to survive the coming Bronze Age-ending flood that Zeus was sending to punish mankind for its wickedness. Deucalion and his wife, Pyrrha , survived for 9 days of flooding before landing at Mt. Parnassus. as warned Deucalion built an ark to survive the coming Bronze Age-ending flood that Zeus was sending to punish mankind for its wickedness. Deucalion and his -wife, Pyrrha survived for 9 days of flooding before landing at Mt. Parnassus.
@LuckyDukeSeven the titan and goddess of prophecy Themis cryptically told them to throw the bones of their mother behind them. They interpreted this as meaning "throw stones over their shoulders onto Mother Earth," and did so. The stones Deucalion threw became men and those Pyrrha threw became women..
@LuckyDukeSeven Deucalion and Pyrrha settled in Thessaly where they produced offspring the old-fashioned way. Their two sons were Hellen and Amphictyon. Hellen sired Aeolus (founder of the Aeolians), Dorus (founder of the Dorians), and Xuthus. Xuthus sired Achaeus (founder of the Achaeans) .....THAT'S THE STORY OF THE GREEKS!...GREEKS DID NOT INVOLVED FROM ANY OTHER CIVILIZATION!...READ TIMEAUS AND CRITIAS TOY SEE WHO ARE THE GREEKS!
@LuckyDukeSeven The ancient Greek culture was "home-grown" and unique, and its accomplishments were the result of this uniqueness. However, since ancient times, other cultures studied and copied ancient Greek thoughts and ideas, in an attempt to lift their own ethnic group culturally, spiritually and socially!..WE ACCEPT THAT,BUT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE PLAGIARISM AND THE DISTORTION,SOME OF YOU TRY TO CREATE!..IT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY!
@LuckyDukeSeven AND AS ISSOCRATES SAYS .. This place ..GREECE,.. where we dwell, not by sending others away who lived in it, nor upon an occupation, or because it was deserted by residents,
nor we use it as establishment as a group composed of various tribes,
but instead our gender is so noble and true and in this place that gave birth to us from the down of time, continually we live in it without interruption because we are indigenous ... " ISOKRATOUS LOGOI C
@LuckyDukeSeven It was the Greeks who where resposible for both Western Civilisation and world Civilization! The Greeks where the super power of very Ancient Times!. Their Greek infrastructure that they created because Greece is where Humanity originated from as well.Greece Was The First Western Civilization and of Mankind to rose up and develope back in the late Stone Age and Early Bronze Age right after the last Ice Age period to creat for its self a Human Civilization of Mankind..
@LuckyDukeSeven This land where we duel ,we did not take it from others,and we send them away,nether we are mixed races who live together..but our gender is so pure and noble ,and we live in this land since we were born from this earth because we are autoxthones ,and we have the right to call this country nurse and mother...Isocrates panegyricus.. BEHAVE NOW..
@LuckyDukeSeven God-born,God-made,sacred and God-like,unchanged from the long time of your existence...God-walked and lighten from the sacred light!...Mother of the first human,and the eternal Greek spirit!...Present of the Gods!...Hellas we are always going to protect you from the disorters and the thieves of your legacy!!!! OUST!..GO TELL THE STORIES TO YOUR BARBARIAN CO-PATRIOTS AND NOT TO THE GREEKS!...WE KNOW WHO WE ARE?...WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO FIND OUT WHO YOUR PEOPLE ARE...RED FACE!
I see. It’s your concept of Hellenes but it is not correct. 1. Your concept is mythology, not history. You don’t know the etymologies of many Greek mythological names: Ἀθηνᾶ, Πελασγός, Ἕλλην, Ῥέα, … . Diu-ia (this name is the female form of Zeus) and Djeu-s (=Zeus) are from IE *di-u-. The image of Great Mather was syncretic. 2. You dispute a priori, before the dicipherment of the Aegean script. Only the dicipherment can prove the Greeks were living on Crete in the Minoan time.
The Minoans weren't Greeks. They were much older than Greeks/Hellenes. When the Hellenes first arrived in modern day Greece, they conquered the Natives. The Greeks established their patriarchal religion with Zeus at the helm. At the time they'd arrived, the Minoans were living on Crete, and worshiped the Earth-Mother. Their LinearA script is of Egyptian origin. That might be where they were from.
But the Greeks ended up destroying them, and absorbing them.
@LuckyDukeSeven It's a widespread error. I prove that all Aegean culture was Greek and the Minoans spoke Greek like Mycenaean. Languages of Cretan hieroglyphs, Phaistos disk, Linear A and Cypro-Minoan script were Greek dialects of Bronze Age. Great Mother Rhea Cybele was called also Divija, a female form of Zeus.
How can Minoans be Greek when they existed before the concept of "Greeks" or "Hellenes"? That's the point. They surly were related, but they predate our concepts of Hellenes.
No, Rhea certainly was not the female form of Zeus. Yes, her story as the earth mother was absorbed into Hellenic stories for the "Back-story" of their Gods (she being a Titan's wife) but she most certainly was not Zeus. If you can reference the
@AnatolySherban can you reference where you obtained that information? the video here clearly states that the Minoan script was different and not related to Mycenean or Greek.....
But it's pretty common knowledge- Linear A was found in Egypt and Phoenicia during pre-minoian (and certainly pre-Greek) times. Just google Linear A. You'll find a bajillion sources.
In the case of the though Minoans, no one's decoded their language. Only their script origin.
@LuckyDukeSeven You find LINEAR A IN TROY AND EGYPT ,BECAUSE TROJANS WERE GREEKS TOO,AND IN EGYPT CRETANS HAD COLONIES!...THAT'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH...from Herakleion researcher Minas Tsikritzis,and Assistant Professor of Prehistoric Archaeology, University of Crete, Katerina Kopaka, according to an informed view of the scholar, the Linear A script is Greek, which, naturally-shifting historical use of Greek writing in the period (1750 BC H. - 1450 BC).
@nixter888 ...In the view of Mr. Tsikritsi, the Linear A is one of the "ancient syllabic writings of mankind and alongside the Cretan hieroglyphic-writing the oldest European civilization." Furthermore, the Linear B is a product of evolution of Linear A....HAVE A NICE DAY!
Give the the name of one accredited University history/archeology/anthro department that teaches its students that Minoans are Greeks. In fact, all specify that Minoans are not Greeks. It's a trick question on exams kid.
Minoans were conquered by the Greeks. The Greeks adopted their culture. That includes myths, dress and early script. The Minoans existed long before Hellenes roamed out of Arabia west to Greece.
@LuckyDukeSeven WHO CARES ABOUT THE UNIVERSITIES?...THEY KNOW NOTHING!....WE GREEKS KNOW BETTER THAN YOU ALL THE DISTORTERS OF HISTORY!..DO YOU THINK BY DOING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING?...YOU ARE TALKING TO A GREEK NOW AND NOT TO A BARBARIAN WHO COULD TAKE ANYTHING THEY SHOVEL TO HIS FACE!....ΘΑ ΦΑΤΕ ΚΑΛΑ!
That's the absolutely most asinine comment I've read. Particularly because Linear A was being used in Egypt circa 2100 BCE. Which is older than the Greek writing period. That's why LinearA is almost universally accepted amongst scholars are Egyptian. And Crete is older than the Greek race. The Minoans are not Greek. The Greeks never claimed them to be Greek.
Tsikritzis does NOT call Minoans Greek. He says they originated the culture (which Greeks took from them)
"That's why LinearA is almost universally accepted amongst scholars are Egyptian."
Egyptian is not likely at all since if it were it would be much easier to decipher not to mention the script itself would bear strong similarities to Egyptian. Most scholars believe it to be a pre-indoeuropean Anatolian/Near Eastern language which we have no information of.
Actually, I meant Egyptian script. Not language. And it was derived. Yes, I've heard of the numerous Semitic inferences, but the curriculum at most universities (as with most text books that teach about this) is that LinearA is of Egyptian extraction. That doesn't mean the people or the language were.
To be fair, taking into account their sea-based culture, I'd say they were a branch off of the Phoenicians. Too many similarities not to have merit there.
@LuckyDukeSeven We Greeks, know that Minos was born beneath the perennial plane tree in Gortyn, after the mating of Zeus with the princess Europe daughter of Agenor and Tilefassis, which he kidnapped and brought to Crete transformed into a bull, by sea, accompanied by Nereids and Tritons ..and was adopted and brought up by Asterion...
@LuckyDukeSeven...THINK BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH! Homer refers to Cretans as Eteocretans, Pelasgians, Ahaeans, Dorians, and Kydonians. While the Eteocretans .They were Greek tribes that inhabited various parts of the island at the time of Homer. Kydonians lived on the west side of the island and even today the name of the province around Chania is Kydonia. Kydon was the son of Minos’s wife Pasiphae, and Hermes...nothing Phoenician or Egyptian.....BEHAVE!
@LuckyDukeSeven The Cretan fleet also took part in the expedition against Troy. When the Greek fleet was at Aulis, envoys were sent from King Idomeneas of Crete to Agamemnon, the supreme commander of the Greeks, announcing that if Agamemnon agreed to share the command with Idomeneas, one hundred Cretan ships would join the Greek expedition to Troy.AND THEY DID..BECAUSE THEY WERE GREEKS!....WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE ZIONISTS WHO OWN THE UNIVERSITIES AND THEY WITHOUT SHAME TRY TO FALSIFY HISTORY !
@LuckyDukeSeven ΣΩΚΡΑΤΗΣ: Αυτοί λοιπόν, οι Κρήτες, έχουν τους πιο παλιούς νόμους απ' όλους τους Έλληνες; («Ουκούν ούτοι, οι Κρήτες, παλαιοτάτοις νόμοις χρώνται των Ελλήνων»)
ΕΤΑΙΡΟΣ: Ναι. DO YOU UNDERSTAND GREEK?...I AM ASKING YOU!!!! SOCRATES SAYS OF ALL THE GREEKS THE CRETANS HAVE THE MOST ANCIENT LAWS!!!!..OF ALL THE GREEKS!..CRETANS WERE GREEKS!... SEMITES ZIONISTS,YOUR LIES DO NOT TOUCH US! OUST!
In all angry useless gibberish, where you apply the date of the Trojan war (which *if it occurred, occurred at least 3 thousand years after the Minoans were destroyed by the Greeks and Crete became Greek land), I just want to correct one thing.
I am not a Semite, or Jewish. I am Irish.
And the Greeks (Hellenes) who came to settle in Greece from the east were Arabians, brothers of the Syrians and Mesopotamians. As a result, 30% of Greeks today are Semites.
@LuckyDukeSeven . WHICH MEANS...There is a Land called Crete in the middle of the wine-blue water,a handsome country and fertile sea girt,and there are many peoples in it innumerable ...there are ninety cities......THE DISTRACTION OF THE VOLCANO OF SANTORINI THAT DESTROYED CRETE HAPPENED THE YEAR AROUND 1600 B.C...HOW COME HOMER DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? HE IS TALKING ABOUT 90 CITIES AND ALL THE GREEK TRIBES WERE LIVING THERE,EVEN THE ETEOCRETANS,AND DORIANS AND THE REST...
@nixter888 WHICH MEANS THE TROJAN WAR HAPPENED BEFORE THE 1600 B.C,THEREFORE THE MINOANS WERE GREEKS,AND PARTICIPATED IN THE TROJAN WAR!...STOP YOUR PATHETIC DISTORTION!...
The Trojan war, its date and events, and most of its characters are likely myth. In fact, Greeks have debated for thousands of years if or not Homer has existed.
@LuckyDukeSeven THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR BRAINS!...The man wrote .The Iliad which contains over 15,000 lines,and in the Odyssey, 12,110 lines of dactylic hexameter,and you say he did not exist?....HAVE YOU BEING TO TROY,AND TO MYCENAE TO SEE THE WONDERS?...PLEASE STOP BEING PATHETIC!
@LuckyDukeSeven POOR YOU!..YOU ARE DREAMING AGAIN!...THE TROJAN WAR OCCUR 3000 YEARS AFTER THE DISTRACTION OF CRETE?....YOU ARE REALLY A MENTAL CASE!....HOMER DOES NOT MENTION THE DISTRACTION OF CRETE NOT EVEN ONE TIME!..HE SAYS ....Κρήτη τις γαῖ' ἔστι μέσῳ ἐνὶ οἴνοπι πόντῳ,
@LuckyDukeSeven MODERN SCHOLARS,and scientists,have supported the notion that there is a racial connection,and continuation to the ancient GREEKS!LUIGI LUCA,CAVALLI-SFONZA,PAOLO MENOZZI,and ALBERTO PIAZZA,have found evidence of genetic connection between the ancient and the modern,90%.
@LuckyDukeSeven Also Sylvana Santahiara,from University of PAVIA,and Roy king FROM UNIVERSITY of STANFORD,ACCORDING TO THEIR STUDIES,The GREEKS are autoxthones,since 500-800.000 years ago,without stopping!BIOLOGY MEATS HISTORY..........NOW CLOSE YOUR MOUTH ABOUT THE GREEKS!..YOU ARE TOO SMALL AND UNIMPORTANT IN THEIR EYES....
@LuckyDukeSeven You still talk nonsense!...I am giving you proves,about the MINOANS BEING GREEK,AND YOU SCRATCH YOUR US!....CRETANS ARE GREEKS!....YOU ARE SO STUPID!,,GREEKS CAME OUT OF ARABIA YOU SAID?...DISTORTER OF HISTORY!....GREEKS ARE THE AUTHOXTHONES OF GREECE,AND WHATEVER YOUR ZIONISTIC MIND SAYS IT DOES NOT CHANGE THINGS!...ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US THAT SOCRATES IS LYING,ABOUT THE MINOANS BEING GREEK?...ALL THE NAMES, THEIR COSTUMES ,THEIR WAYS ARE GREEK! BEHAVE NOW!
Oh, but don't get me wrong. The Minoans aren't probably Egyptians- they're probably from Phoenicia or somewhere in the Arabian peninsula- which is where the Greeks that came to inhabit Greeks had come from anyways. Maybe they're north African sailors though, but their placement and their culture of sea-faring makes most believe them to be out of Arabia.
@LuckyDukeSeven You must be kidding!...MINOANS WERE GREEKS!...Do not distort things!...Minos, and his brothers, Rhadamanthys and Sarpedon, were the Sons of king Asterion of Crete.... By his wife, Pasiphaë, he fathered Ariadne, Androgeus, Deucalion, Phaedra, Glaucus, Catreus, Acacallis and Xenodike. By a nymph, Pareia, he had four sons, Eurymedon, Nephalion, Chryses and Philolaus...ALL GREEK PEOPLE!..FALSIFICATION IS A CRIME!
@nixter888 Socrates : Do you not know which of the Greeks use the most ancient laws ?
Companion : Do you mean the Spartans, and Lycurgus the lawgiver ?
Socrates : Why, that is a matter, I daresay, of less than three hundred years ago, or but a little more. But whence is it that the best of those ordinances come ? Do you know ?
Companion : From Crete, so they say.
Socrates : Then the people there use the most ancient laws in Greece ?
Companion : Yes. SOCRATES TOO SAY MINOANS WERE GREEKS TOO.
I don't know. Ask that racist Northax. As for me as I told Northax. I DO NOT ARGUE WITH FOOLS ! Many races moved throughout Europe starting around the time of the Roman conquest. My comments were about !900 BCE and before when Europe was mostly made up of the Celtic peoples whom were called Milk White People or GALLIC by the Greeks. Learn ancient history before you criticize.
@LordMalia1900BC PALE SKIN and LIGHT HAIR were described as signs of BARBARISM by Polemon of Laodicea, a GREEK man, in his book Physiognomica.
Pseudo-Aristotle, another ancient GREEK man, noted differences between Greeks and the people of the north, believing that Greek superiority was visible in their MEDIUM SKIN TONE, as opposed to PALE NORTHERNERS and dark southerners (black Africans). He claimed that BLUE EYES were a SIGN OF COWARDLY NATURE, and that they indicated POOR EYESIGHT.
@LordMalia1900BC There are ancient Greek frescoes with GREEK soldiers on chariot with BROWN eyes (and jet-black hair). Guess the date on the frescoe? 1300 B.C.! Older than 900 B.C.!
Many more of those, if you look. The Minoans were dated even older, even before 1700 B.C. they were on Crete, and they're clearly black haired, BROWN EYED in their frescoes.
Please, stop spreading lies and twisted propaganda. Their ancient art shows THE TRUTH!
You are the only one claiming some one group over the other is inferior or superior to the other. You are being quite irrational and I will not argue with a fool !
What in hell is a Nordacist ? No, the original people of Greece were Gallic or Milk White people according to the ancient Greek History. I will not argue with a fool, so please quit your scratching.
@LordMalia1900BC dude don't be stupid this people where not black! European skins tones come in pink,white,ywllow and brown skin.this people where not black look at them there not black people and neither where the ancient egyptians not black
@LordMalia1900BC A Nordicist is someone who is of Germanic (northern European - NORDIC <- northern) blood, with blue/green eyes, pale white skin and light hair (red/blond), or a mixture thereof (mixing has gone on for many years since Germanic tribes invaded Rome/Greece over the last 1500+ years, thus why you see light colors (blue eyes) mixed with dark colors (black hair), etc.).
These Nordicists try to make everyone believe THEY made ancient advanced civilizations in southern Europe. LIES!
@LordMalia1900BC I'm not the racist. I fight stupid racists (NordicistS) who try to spread their lies and twisted propaganda which is based on their superiority complex (built on falsehoods). They hate when I show them the truth, it trashes their silly "pride". You give off signs of being a Nordicist, or at least someone spreading lies based upon falsehoods, because you want to claim ancient civilizations as if your ancestors built them based upon physical looks (black hair, blue eyes). LIES!
For sure. Minoans obviously weren't Nordic, I say that as an Irishman. And the Modern Greeks were influenced by Germanic tribes. Oddly enough, if you look to Italy (significantly less mixing) you'll see that the population, even in the North, is all of the Arabid haplotype. Only 30% of Greece is Arabid... That probably means that Southern Europe was settled, as most of the Mediterranean was, by pre-historic people from Felix Arabia. Just a theory.
What is this fixation you have about everybody being brown or black. Sorry my friend, blue,green, hazel eyes are european traits amongst most Europeans. Not all of Europe was subjected to the swarms of other races that invaded what Julius caesar would Call Gallacia. The Nordic peoples were never is Wales and they were destroyed when in Ireland. Sorry, My friend you need to sit down and get off of your racial kick. It does not click.
@LordMalia1900BC I'm sick of Nordicists trying to claim ancient Mediterranean peoples' civilizations, and calling Mediterranean peoples "inferior", etc.
I will be there to counter these idiots spreading propaganda. Get used to it.
You must be reminded that those paintings were 4,000 years old. The Germanic tribes were very small compared to the Celtic Tribes of Black haired, blue eyed people who peopled most of Europe until about 1,000 years ago when the brown skinned people moved in from Africa and the areas now known as Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Arabia. If you bother to travel to Europe you will see that the people are not brown skinned .
Get with it guy, you are way off base and out of touch.
@LordMalia1900BC I know many are not brown skinned, genius. But most southern Europeans (all the ones of Mediterranean stock) can TURN BROWN when they tan in the sun for hours a day if they work in that strong sun like most men did back 3000-4000 years ago!
You need to get a clue. Those paintings show NO 'blue eyes' either. So stop believing that BS! Nordics have recessive blue/green eye traits, and those flooded southern Europe around 300-500 A.D. and mixed for the last 1500 years!
@LordMalia1900BC Seriously, you need to study history, especially the Germanic invasions, and all the mixture that's happened over the last 1500 years because of it. That's why you see ODD mixtures of black hair and blue eyes. Black hair is a DOMINANT trait, for those that live in sunny environments, it blocks the rays well. BLUE eyes are NOT meant for sunny environments - they're likened to pale white skin that burns in the sun, thus they're Nordic in origin.
Northax, please look at the right side of the screen just below the video where you will find very short video. The film shows Minoan frescoes that show IVORY SKINNED BEAUTIES as well as BLACK SKINNED BEAUTIES. Yes there were somethe black people on Crete 4,000 years ago. You are denying history when you say the Cretans were dark skinned. Just look at the Knossis-Palace of Minos
@LordMalia1900BC I already know the women had light skin from not tanning, thus hinting at them not going outdoors much back then, and I doubt they had ivory skin tone like redheads that burn in the sun; the women more likely had light OLIVE skin tone, like todays Mediterranean people show when not specifically tanned up.
I said the MEN usually tanned up from working and playing outside. Learn to read.
When I say DARK in complexion, I mean their hair is black, their eyes BROWN, etc.
By the way there was a tribe called Jermanii acording the Julius Caesar's journals. He trampled down and destroyed a tribe he did not like because they were just hunters and gatherers. After destroying their villages he turned the land over to the Jermanii tribe of Celts. They were Black haired Blue eyed just like the rest of the people of the Celtic tribes.
Northax, you have never been to Ireland, England, Scottland, France and other European Countries. They are filled with Blue eyed, green eyed, hazel eyed people with black hair. Well a small percentage have red hair. Caesar, when he fought the war with the Celts he called the areas all across Europe GALLACIA.
@LordMalia1900BC Uh, I already know they exist, but your brain doesn't know how to work: I said WITHOUT MIXTURE HAPPENING, blue eyes and black hair do not go together NATURALLY. Europe is VERY mixed now because of all the constant Germanic invasions that happened from 300 A.D. to 500+ A.D. and many migrated south after this happened and mixed over the 1500+ years. I KNOW THIS, WHY DON'T YOU?
Greek said they had medium color, not light like northerners, not dark like southerners (black Africans)
@LordMalia1900BC I can sense your insecurities, trying to claim an ancient civilization as having supposed connection to yourself. Sorry man, but it's just not true. Facts are facts. Just accept it. You're no less human for not being directly related to the Minoans, Greeks, etc. Seek counseling for your insecurities.
Stop believing BS Nordicist lies and twisted quotes/interpretations.
I was most fortunate to have spent 9 years overseas during my 20 plus years in the Air Force. Three years of which were at Bitburg Air Base, and that is an area that is near the French and the Luxemburg borders. That area was settled originally by the Celts. They were not part of the Germanic Tribes. England is the home of the Breton Celtic tribes. Celts are white NORTHAX, just like me.
It was a surprise to me when I found out their is a Malia Bay on the Gulf of Malia which are part of the Agean Sea. The Malia Lords Built their Palace in 1900 BCE.
The City of Malia is near the Palace on Crete. Malia is the OLDEST FAMILY NAME IN IRELAND. No Northax they did not come from Germany. The Celts Moved South From the Russian Steppes 10,000 years ago.
@LordMalia1900BC Keep believing that BS "history" if it makes you feel better. The Greeks, Minoans, etc. were Mediterranean people with BROWN eyes, black hair, and could tan with ease.
Blue eyes are a Germanic/Nordic trait, whether they're originally from Russia, or wherever, they're Germanic.
Black hair and blue eyes do not naturally go together without mixture. So much mixture has happened over the last 1500 years with Germanic tribes who invaded Roman lands and the darker Mediterraneans.
@LordMalia1900BC Sorry buddy, but their art proves them to be dark complexion. You're just trying to claim their history because it makes you feel better about yourself; only proving that you must lack in some other areas of your personal life. Sorry, but go see a counselor for that, because you just embarrass yourself even more going online and making up or repeating such dumb lies. lol
Ancient Greek and Minoan frescoes prove they looked EXACTLY how I say they looked. I live by FACTS!
One Greek even went on to say how blue eyes are a sign of bad eyesight; pale white skin a sign of barbarism and light hair a sign of femininity, etc. The Greeks despised the northern Germanic people.
The only reason why you see blue eyes and dark hair today is because of MIXTURE over the last 1500+ years since the Germanics invaded and mixed with the darker Mediterranean natives in Rome and Greece.
Go look up the Germanic invasions of Rome on Google, which happened around 300 A.D.
The Malia Lords were had black hair and their eyes were blue. The Greeks called them Gallic or Milk White people. Northax does not know ancient history. The Celts who first settled Greece were from of the Celtic tribes. I can not say whether those people outside of the Malia family in the other palaces were Celt or of another race so please get off the color hang-up Northax and grow up.
@LordMalia1900BC Blue eyes are from recessive Germanic people up north. They are the equivalent to having pale white skin that burns in the sun, so they are not Mediterranean in original nature. Get a clue, please. Stop living in denial. You are jealous of Mediterranean Greek history, and mad that they did not look like you. That's too bad. Many racists like you try to claim what is not yours, because you're insecure.
Go speak to a counselor about your insecurity. Don't try stealing history.
The Great Palaces including the Malia Palace which was built 1n 1900 BCE. There were no dark skinned mediterraneans at the That was at least 1,000 years before the Turks fought to conquer Greece . The Greeks call the Celts Gallic People which means MILK WHITE EOPLE.
. The majority of the original people on Greece and her Islands were what the Greeks call GALLIC or MILK-WHITE PEOPLE. Northax your history is modern, Mine is ancient. I have visited Greece, have you?
@LordMalia1900BC You're in denial of truth. The paintings on the walls say everything - these people were Mediterranean, and they could tan with ease. They were not Germanic!
Greeks even said they had the best color of all - not too pale / light like the northerners (Germanics), and not too dark like the southerners (black Africans). Greeks had medium color - black/dark brown hair, brown eyes, olive skin tones and could tan nicely if they had to, not BURN like Germanic peoples.
Germanic invaders or "Nordicists" have attempted to twist facts around for hundreds of years in order to claim darker peoples history, because Germanic "Nordicists" are ashamed of their LACK of ancient civilized history. They only came on the scene mainly when they had to steal Roman and Greek technology and other advancements in 300+ A.D. Then they became the ruling class, and so they felt the need to make others believe they're naturally superior. What pathetic, insecure nitwits they are.
A Celt is a Celt is a Celt. Germany's oldest and first City is Trier, where the Romans Built a coliseum on top of the Treberonii (Trier) village. The Bitburges village was smashed down and the romans built what was to become Bitburg Germany. I was in Bitburg when that City celebrated its 1,250 year as a City. Every Creek, every river and every pond and lake throughout Europe is named after a Celtic God or Goddess.
@LordMalia1900BC A liar is a liar is a liar. You're a liar in denial of factual history. Stop trying to claim a history that is not yours. It shows a sign of weakness on your part when you feel so insecure within yourself that you have to try and believe, and make others believe, that some other people built this and that civilization, when pictures and LOGIC proves they did not. Dark Mediterranean peoples are the ones that build MEDITERRANEAN civilizations in ancient times... PERIOD.
I forgot to mention to shadro that in ancient times many Celtic tribes made up the majority of the people on mainland Greece. The Malia family is of the Celtic VENUTTII Tribe.
The Mlia Palace was made by the Malia family, The Malia's are, were and will forever be Celtic. After the volcano on Santorini Blew its stack sending waves of tsunamis across 80 miles of sea where it destroyed the Malia, the Gnossis, and the Minos or Midas Palaces the survivors from Malia traveled to Ireland. That was some 3,500 years ago. My name is Arthur B. Malia. Malia is the root of the name O'Malley!
@european1001 lol the most ancient settlements found on cyprus for example were traced to anatolian villages. even your gay ionians is named after a turk javan who is son of father of turkic tribes japheth. rather no such thing as greeks
The palaikastro kouros gets shown! As for the race comments, I have no idea how you guys saw anyone's skin colour in this video aside from the wall paintings really. Can't wait to go back to Crete to work this summer!
Those colors were 100 % accurate the men were Dark Brown because the original European population was darkskinned that's confirmed by genetics later Light skin people migrated into the Aegean. You all can't base predominately modern European phenotypes on the Europeans that lived 3,500 years ago or the even earlier Neolithic civilized periods there were other racial groups and people that had inhabited Europe before Whites arrived that scientists know very little about today.
@DrXZY The Minoans were still obviously of Caucasian genetic group. The men were darker in color because they worked and hunted/fished outside all day, every day in the strong Mediterranean sun. You do know [indigenous] southern Europeans can tan very dark if/when they have to, right?
Google Image search Minoans and see the women are very light, while the men remain quite dark overall, exception being the Minoan Prince which you'll see. He's light color, assuming he didn't work outside much.
@LordMalia1900BC Stop trying to steal history. Go be happy with your own history. Your insecurity and jealousy is not good to have. Be secure in yourself. ;)
@exitre They are restored ancient paintings, and the painters had clues from the paint that was faded. Their hair was black, then men were darker in shade. The painters just filled it all in to see what it would look like if we lived back then and saw the Minoans painting it just 2-3 days ago. Minoans were GREEK - period. End of story.
@Northax restored this and that, its not the original painting no matter what u say. and minoans would be pelasgian/turkic or phoenician before they were greek
Spur=city & also citizenry/Etruscan, Sparta/Greece; Corithos/Etruscan, Corinthos/Greece; Curtun/Etruscan, Gurton/Greece; tepa=hill/Etruscan, Thebes/Greece, etc.[also in FinnUgor tempe and Turkic tepe], Knosos is also a non-Greek name. The foundation of the Parthenon in Athens is called Pelasgian, since they probably built it, before the Greeks took it over.}
@TheMorganSir If you was out in the fields, hunting, fishing, wouldnt it be logical that the men were tan, and the women stayed home were white, because they stayed out of the sun.My Grand father had milky white skin he lived up in the mountains of Lesbos,when we brought him to Florida he tanned.Come on people to assume they were African because they were tan is stupid.The nose's of the people were not that of africans,there facial structure was not that of Africians.
@irilinya I think it's just that men were TANNED because they were the ones working outdoors in that strong Mediterranean sun, and hunting/fishing all the time, as well, among other things, like playing (when kids - Google Image search the Minoan kids boxing), etc. etc.
Women just stayed in the shade mostly, I'm assuming, so they remained light in color.
@Northax Could well be, though considering it was a matrilineal society, in which women played a significant role, I doubt they were enclosed in their homes.
We can only assume now... don't you wish sometimes a time machine really existed?
@irilinya I'm not implying the females did not tan because they were supposedly forced to stay inside. Their art clearly shows the men respecting the women, and even believed in some kind of snake goddess religion of some sort. But it seems a majority of men were clearly darker toned in skin, thus hinting at them being tan from working and playing (a fresco of boxing kids, as an example) outdoors all the time, whether building structures, fishing for long hours, or playing (boxing, etc.).
@Steadno You've never heard of being tanned from sitting/working in the sun all day, every day? They're a Mediterranean people, they can tan easily and very dark. The men were dark (building structures and hunting/fishing every day), while the women mostly remained light (stayed inside, did not work outside much), according to their artwork; though I'm sure some exceptions were made, but most of their artwork was most likely destroyed in the volcanic eruption, or other such disasters.
@Northax put one of these people next to a white person e.g. irish or german and you can tell they are a different race. this is just another case of whites trying to steal anothere culture.
@Steadno Put one of these people next to a Greek (dark tanned or not), Italian or Spaniard and you will see extreme similarity. I'm talking about the dark-complexioned Greeks, Italians and Spaniards, by the way. I know the light ones exist, but they're from Germanic background, which has happened over the last 1500 years, and even some years before 300 A.D. (when Germanics mainly invaded Rome by force).
If I tan for 6+ hours a day in the sun for a month, I will look like a Minoan male.
@Northax thats my point greco-romans arent true whites. and if they knew that the babarians of the north eg visigoths, pects or slavs were claiming to be part of them they would roll in their graves. you can 'tan' all you want but you will not get as dark as them UNLESS you have some small amount of native american or black in you.
@Steadno I tan very easily and very dark, actually. I was at the beach once and I sat out for around 6-7 hours, I looked like an Indian from India because my skin was so dark. Trust me, I can tan dark, and so can all indigenous Mediterranean Europeans, just like Middle Easterners. But they're still Caucasian. I know there's a difference between light-haired/eyed Germanics compared to dark featured Mediterranean Europeans; they do have different genes, but they're still both Caucasian.
@Northax caucasian is a lose term invented by racist 'scientists' in order to try and claim other cultures. the greco-romans hated the northern peoples and the only contact they had was war or making them slaves.
@Steadno Well, I agree, there are many racists trying to claim history of other ancient civilizations based solely on racism and to brainwash people today in order to get them to look up to certain people, as if they are naturally superior on a genetic scale, which I know is not true. But when I say "Caucasian" I mean people with more similar features - eye shape, nose shape, etc. But colors do differ, thus proving they are still different on a genetic scale when it comes down to it.
@HiddenBlackHistory Take a look at Minoan women with very light skin color, but the men had darker brown shades overall (except the Minoan Prince - look him up on Google Images) obviously pointing at how the men must have tanned from working/playing outdoors all the time, while the women stayed indoors - no tan.
Gotta start using the logic.
Go claim your own West African black history. Hidden black history? You're making your own history up as you guys go, lol! It's not hidden.
@HiddenBlackHistory Yep, and I used it in a logical way to prove my point. Sorry if the truth hurts, but learn to accept it and move on in life. Go study West African history for yourself and be proud of it. STOP trying to steal history that is NOT yours or anyone elses!
@HiddenBlackHistory You've got to be in the utmost denial to not see how the Minoan women were clearly of "Caucasoid" genetic type and were light in color compared to the (CLEARLY CAUCASOID) tanned men.
Seriously, you are truly blind, in mind and physically in the eye. You cannot make out specific details on facial structure, apparently. Get glasses from your eye doctor, or better yet, eat carrots, they help the eyes! ;)
@Northax lol ethiopian, somalian, fula, lamba, mandinka and a dozen other african ethnic groups are 'caucasoid' (pseudoscientific term from the 1700s) so guess theyve just got 'tans' though right. mhhhh?
@HiddenBlackHistory Yeah, and show me any of those ethiopians, somali, etc. with very like skinned women, yet the men are tanned? You can't Their women will be the same color. Wow, you're just so clueless, you need to lay off the weed, man. lol!
You're quite insecure about your history, aren't you? You have to claim European history. That's very pathetic.
DNA proves the difference between Mediterranean Europeans from Somalis, Ethiopians, etc.
@nixter888
Trojan war- 1700+/- BCE (Also the date most Greek Scholars including Homer give for the fall of the Minoan Empire and its capture by Greeks)
Minoan Empire- pre 4500 BCE, before the Hellens came from Arabia to create Greece.
And yes, you're right. Homer calls the Cretans Eteocretans ("true Cretans") in the Odyssey, to make them categorically distinct from the Greeks that settled there.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE GREEKS ARE ARABS? WERE THE MYCENAEAN ARABS,?...WAS ARISTOTLE ,AND PLATO AND SOCRATES AND THE THOUSANDS GREEK MINDS ARABS?....WERE THE CITIZENS OF THE SACRED LAND OF GREECE ARABS?...WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?..IN YOUR PATHETIC DREAMS?...BEHAVE NOW IRISH MAN!
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
Yes, 6500 Thousand years ago, a tribe migrated from modern day Syria to modern day Greece. The took over the indigenous people (mixing with them) and soon became known as the Greeks. Originally, one has to be of the originator races. Eurasian, Arabid, African, Sindid, Caucasoid. All these races mixed together to make the races of today.
Greeks were born of the Arabians, but became a separate and powerful group of people (but genetically, your still 1/3 Semitic)
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven READ THE PANEGYRICUS OF ISOCRATES TO SEE HOW PURE THE GREEKS ARE!...ARE YOU CRAZY OR SOMETHING?..GREEKS NEVER CAME FROM ANY PLACE,THEY ARE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF GREECE!..PELASGIANS AND GREEKS THE SAME ΕΘΝΟΣ....
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
Kid, there's a difference between a story, and reality. The works attributed to Homer are myths that are probably based on events that happened in the Mycenaean age. End of story. Yes, troy exists. It doesn't mean a Demi-God waged war against it.
No, Hellenes are not indigenous to Greece. How can one be indigenous to anywhere? Humans migrate. Hellenes migrated to Greece.
Pure? Look up the Greek Haplotype. It's 30% E1b1 (North African Arab) and 30% J2 (North Arabian.)
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven HELLENES NEVER MIGRATED FROM ANYWHERE!..DO YOU THINK OTHER PLACES BORE PEOPLE,AND THE LAND OF GREECE DOES NOT?...WHAT IS IT WITH YOU?..You are wrong about the Hellenic tribes that came after. The Hellenic tribes were always living in the Aegean area and came from no where.THESE STUDIES ARE ABSOLUTELY FALSE!... The HAPLOTYPE IS R1b1b2 in Greece ,AND ALSO R1b-S28 lineages, R1b1b2 to Greece, NO TRACE OF AFRICAN OR ARABIAN!..
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven The admixture analysis code Admix2_0 was used to compute the estimators mY initially described in Bertorelle and Excoffier.22 The analysis was performed on E3b1b-M81 using as parental populations: Algerians and Tunisians (63 of 202 individuals), Egyptians (7 of 53 individuals) provided by Arredi et al23 and Continental Greeks (0 of 222 individuals; AP, ......SO RELAX NOW WITH YOUR DISTORTION!
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
ACtually, google the genetic Atlas. The main Haplotype you're looking for is the "J2" haplotype, which is the North Arabian faction.
Yes, Greeks/Hellenes DID migrate to their homeland. They met the natives living on the land of Greece, conqueror them, and combined with them. As I told you, this was 6,500 BCE. Long before the Mycenaean myths and stories and lore.
Greece is relatively new compared to it's sister sister societies (Egypt, Mesopot., Syria)
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE ANCIENT TEXT TO MENTION ANYTHING LIKE THAT!...ALL THE ANCIENT GREEK SCHOLARS SAY THEY ARE APHTHOXTHONES!....WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION? IN YOUR DREAMS! MYCENAEAN MYTHS?.... MYCENAE IS THERE WAITING FOR YOU TO SEE IT!..IT'S NOT A MYTH! ..GREEKS CREATED EGYPT!...EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATIONS STARTED WITH THE VERY ANCIENT GREEKS,AND FINISHED WITH THE GREEK PTOLEMIES! THAT'S THE ONLY TRUTH!
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven The name Pelasgians (Ancient Greek: Πελασγοί, Pelasgoí, singular Πελασγός, Pelasgós) was used by some ancient Greek writers to refer to populations THE FIRST Hellenes in Greece, "a hold-all term for any ancient, primitive and autochthonous people in the Greek world." In general, "Pelasgian" has come to mean more broadly all the autochthonous inhabitants of the Aegean!
ALL GREEKS!!!!
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven .In Greek mythology, Agamemnon is the son of King Atreus of Mycenae and Queen Aerope; the brother of Menelaus and the husband of Clytemnestra;was the king of Mycenae . When Helen, , was abducted by Paris of Troy, Agamemnon was the commander of the Achaeans in the ensuing Trojan WarAtreus was murdered by Aegisthus, who took possession of the throne of Mycenae and ruled jointly with his own father Thyestes, Atreus´twin brother ...REAL PEOPLE ,REAL CITY!
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven ALSO AS I TOLD YOU GREEKS CREATED EGYPT!..Danaus, or Danaos ("sleeper" ; Greek Δαναός), was a Greek mythological character, twin brother of Aegyptus.........EGYPT WAS CREATED BY THE GREEKS!........ and son of Achiroe and Belus, a mythical king of Egypt. The myth of Danaus is a foundation legend (or re-foundation legend) of Argos, one of the foremost Mycenaean cities of the Peloponnesus
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
Ok. So I'm talking to someone who believes Greek MYTHS as though they were facts.
Listen kid. Those stories AREN'T real. They're the creation stories made up during the classical Mycenaean era. Zeus and the Titans aren't real. If you're going to believe something as insane as "Greeks created Egypt" I have nothing more to argue with you about.
"We are but children compared to these peoples (Speaking of the Egyptians)" - Herodotus
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven DO NOT LIE!.... O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why.
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth......
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. Whereas in this land, neither then nor at any other time, does the water come down from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below; for which reason the traditions preserved here are the most ancient.
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient time
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land ,THE FAIREST AND NOBLEST RACE OF MEN WHICH EVER LIVED.. and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived....
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven . And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word. For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven.
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven DO NOT BE AFRAID TO WRITE THE TRUTH!...BEHAVE!
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven GODDESS ATHENA SOLON SAID THE PRIEST founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old.
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves. If you compare these very laws with ours you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours as they were in the olden time. OLDEN TIMES!...GREEKS WERE IN OLDEN TIMES!...DO YOU UNDERSTAND?...... CHALLENGE ME IF YOU CAN!
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven MYTHS?....MYTHS MEAN IN GREEK REAL STORIES....PARA-MYTH IS A FALSE STORY!......DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven . In Homer's Iliad, "Danaans" ("tribe of Danaus") and "Argives" In Greek mythology, Epaphus (Ἔπαφος), also called Apis, was the son of Zeus and Io and a king of Egypt.
The name/word Epaphus means "Touch".....greek meaning..... This refers to the manner in which he was conceived, by the touch of Zeus' hand.....
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven ...... He was born in Euboea (Herodotus, Strabo) or, according to others, in Egypt, on the river Nile, after the long wanderings of his mother. He was then concealed by the Curetes, by the request of Hera, but Io sought and afterward found him in Syria.
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven Epaphus is regarded in the myths as the founder of Memphis, Egypt. With his wife, Memphis (or according to others, Cassiopeia), he had one daughter, Libya. Another of his daughters bore the name of Lysianassa.......ALL GREEK!!!!!DO NOT FLATTER YOUR SELF BY DISTORTING THINGS!!!!
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven ALSO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ORIGINS OF THE GREEKS...HERE YOU GO....Who told you that the Greeks are descended from an other civilization?....You really don't know NOTHING about Greece!... .You don't know about Golden Age that had ended at some vague time in the distant past, giving way to a Silver Age, a Bronze Age, then the race of heroes ,and demi- gods like Hercules, who approached the golden race...and then... Iron Age.....
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven Prometheus a Titan, one of the race of gods who had reigned in heaven through the Golden Age, but were toppled from power by Zeus and his Olympians .so called because they were said to live on Mount Olympus, in northern Greece,Prometheus CREATED THE FIRST HUMANS, has been associated ever since with heroic daring and originality in the cause of science. Today we use the word ‘Promethean’ for a scientist or scientific venture which seems especially intrepid in its ambition.
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven Prometheus,son , Deucalion, built an ark to survive the coming Bronze Age-ending flood that Zeus was sending to punish mankind for its wickedness. Deucalion and his wife, Pyrrha , survived for 9 days of flooding before landing at Mt. Parnassus. as warned Deucalion built an ark to survive the coming Bronze Age-ending flood that Zeus was sending to punish mankind for its wickedness. Deucalion and his -wife, Pyrrha survived for 9 days of flooding before landing at Mt. Parnassus.
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven the titan and goddess of prophecy Themis cryptically told them to throw the bones of their mother behind them. They interpreted this as meaning "throw stones over their shoulders onto Mother Earth," and did so. The stones Deucalion threw became men and those Pyrrha threw became women..
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven Deucalion and Pyrrha settled in Thessaly where they produced offspring the old-fashioned way. Their two sons were Hellen and Amphictyon. Hellen sired Aeolus (founder of the Aeolians), Dorus (founder of the Dorians), and Xuthus. Xuthus sired Achaeus (founder of the Achaeans) .....THAT'S THE STORY OF THE GREEKS!...GREEKS DID NOT INVOLVED FROM ANY OTHER CIVILIZATION!...READ TIMEAUS AND CRITIAS TOY SEE WHO ARE THE GREEKS!
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven The ancient Greek culture was "home-grown" and unique, and its accomplishments were the result of this uniqueness. However, since ancient times, other cultures studied and copied ancient Greek thoughts and ideas, in an attempt to lift their own ethnic group culturally, spiritually and socially!..WE ACCEPT THAT,BUT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE PLAGIARISM AND THE DISTORTION,SOME OF YOU TRY TO CREATE!..IT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY!
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven AND AS ISSOCRATES SAYS .. This place ..GREECE,.. where we dwell, not by sending others away who lived in it, nor upon an occupation, or because it was deserted by residents,
nor we use it as establishment as a group composed of various tribes,
but instead our gender is so noble and true and in this place that gave birth to us from the down of time, continually we live in it without interruption because we are indigenous ... " ISOKRATOUS LOGOI C
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven It was the Greeks who where resposible for both Western Civilisation and world Civilization! The Greeks where the super power of very Ancient Times!. Their Greek infrastructure that they created because Greece is where Humanity originated from as well.Greece Was The First Western Civilization and of Mankind to rose up and develope back in the late Stone Age and Early Bronze Age right after the last Ice Age period to creat for its self a Human Civilization of Mankind..
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven STOP YOUR DISTORTION!
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven ...Ταύτην γάρ οικούμεν ούχ εταίρους εκβαλόντες ουδ' έρημον καταλαβόντες ούδ' εκ πολλών εθνών μιγάδες συλλεγέντες, αλλ' ούτω καλώς καί γνησίως γεγόναμεν, ώστ' εξ ήσπερ έφυμεν, ταύτην έχοντες άπαντα τόν χρόνον διατελούμεν, αυτόχθονες όντες καί τών ονομάτων τοίς αυτοίς οίσπερ τούς οικειωτάτους τήν πόλιν έχοντες προσειπείν: μόνοις γαρ ημιν των Ελλήνων την αυτήν τροφόν και πατρίδα και μητέρα καλέσαι προσήκει..»
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven This land where we duel ,we did not take it from others,and we send them away,nether we are mixed races who live together..but our gender is so pure and noble ,and we live in this land since we were born from this earth because we are autoxthones ,and we have the right to call this country nurse and mother...Isocrates panegyricus.. BEHAVE NOW..
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven God-born,God-made,sacred and God-like,unchanged from the long time of your existence...God-walked and lighten from the sacred light!...Mother of the first human,and the eternal Greek spirit!...Present of the Gods!...Hellas we are always going to protect you from the disorters and the thieves of your legacy!!!! OUST!..GO TELL THE STORIES TO YOUR BARBARIAN CO-PATRIOTS AND NOT TO THE GREEKS!...WE KNOW WHO WE ARE?...WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO FIND OUT WHO YOUR PEOPLE ARE...RED FACE!
nixter888 1 month ago
is this a tv show?
Danieltseo 1 month ago
I see. It’s your concept of Hellenes but it is not correct. 1. Your concept is mythology, not history. You don’t know the etymologies of many Greek mythological names: Ἀθηνᾶ, Πελασγός, Ἕλλην, Ῥέα, … . Diu-ia (this name is the female form of Zeus) and Djeu-s (=Zeus) are from IE *di-u-. The image of Great Mather was syncretic. 2. You dispute a priori, before the dicipherment of the Aegean script. Only the dicipherment can prove the Greeks were living on Crete in the Minoan time.
AnatolySherban 1 month ago
The Minoans spoke in an ancient Greek dialect of Bronze Age, Minoan.
AnatolySherban 3 months ago
@AnatolySherban
The Minoans weren't Greeks. They were much older than Greeks/Hellenes. When the Hellenes first arrived in modern day Greece, they conquered the Natives. The Greeks established their patriarchal religion with Zeus at the helm. At the time they'd arrived, the Minoans were living on Crete, and worshiped the Earth-Mother. Their LinearA script is of Egyptian origin. That might be where they were from.
But the Greeks ended up destroying them, and absorbing them.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven It's a widespread error. I prove that all Aegean culture was Greek and the Minoans spoke Greek like Mycenaean. Languages of Cretan hieroglyphs, Phaistos disk, Linear A and Cypro-Minoan script were Greek dialects of Bronze Age. Great Mother Rhea Cybele was called also Divija, a female form of Zeus.
AnatolySherban 1 month ago 2
@AnatolySherban
How can Minoans be Greek when they existed before the concept of "Greeks" or "Hellenes"? That's the point. They surly were related, but they predate our concepts of Hellenes.
No, Rhea certainly was not the female form of Zeus. Yes, her story as the earth mother was absorbed into Hellenic stories for the "Back-story" of their Gods (she being a Titan's wife) but she most certainly was not Zeus. If you can reference the
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven I see. It’s your concept of Hellenes but it is not correct.
AnatolySherban 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven the video stated the Minoans spoke a language not related to Greek
amphotep 1 month ago
@AnatolySherban can you reference where you obtained that information? the video here clearly states that the Minoan script was different and not related to Mycenean or Greek.....
amphotep 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven where did you get that information that the Minoan script was of Egyptian origin?...
amphotep 1 month ago
@amphotep
The Norton Book of Classical Literature
But it's pretty common knowledge- Linear A was found in Egypt and Phoenicia during pre-minoian (and certainly pre-Greek) times. Just google Linear A. You'll find a bajillion sources.
In the case of the though Minoans, no one's decoded their language. Only their script origin.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven You find LINEAR A IN TROY AND EGYPT ,BECAUSE TROJANS WERE GREEKS TOO,AND IN EGYPT CRETANS HAD COLONIES!...THAT'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH...from Herakleion researcher Minas Tsikritzis,and Assistant Professor of Prehistoric Archaeology, University of Crete, Katerina Kopaka, according to an informed view of the scholar, the Linear A script is Greek, which, naturally-shifting historical use of Greek writing in the period (1750 BC H. - 1450 BC).
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888 ...In the view of Mr. Tsikritsi, the Linear A is one of the "ancient syllabic writings of mankind and alongside the Cretan hieroglyphic-writing the oldest European civilization." Furthermore, the Linear B is a product of evolution of Linear A....HAVE A NICE DAY!
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888 SCHOLARS
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
(Comment 2, read first one first)
Give the the name of one accredited University history/archeology/anthro department that teaches its students that Minoans are Greeks. In fact, all specify that Minoans are not Greeks. It's a trick question on exams kid.
Minoans were conquered by the Greeks. The Greeks adopted their culture. That includes myths, dress and early script. The Minoans existed long before Hellenes roamed out of Arabia west to Greece.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven WHO CARES ABOUT THE UNIVERSITIES?...THEY KNOW NOTHING!....WE GREEKS KNOW BETTER THAN YOU ALL THE DISTORTERS OF HISTORY!..DO YOU THINK BY DOING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING?...YOU ARE TALKING TO A GREEK NOW AND NOT TO A BARBARIAN WHO COULD TAKE ANYTHING THEY SHOVEL TO HIS FACE!....ΘΑ ΦΑΤΕ ΚΑΛΑ!
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
That's the absolutely most asinine comment I've read. Particularly because Linear A was being used in Egypt circa 2100 BCE. Which is older than the Greek writing period. That's why LinearA is almost universally accepted amongst scholars are Egyptian. And Crete is older than the Greek race. The Minoans are not Greek. The Greeks never claimed them to be Greek.
Tsikritzis does NOT call Minoans Greek. He says they originated the culture (which Greeks took from them)
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
"That's why LinearA is almost universally accepted amongst scholars are Egyptian."
Egyptian is not likely at all since if it were it would be much easier to decipher not to mention the script itself would bear strong similarities to Egyptian. Most scholars believe it to be a pre-indoeuropean Anatolian/Near Eastern language which we have no information of.
PaulBlank85 1 month ago
@PaulBlank85
Actually, I meant Egyptian script. Not language. And it was derived. Yes, I've heard of the numerous Semitic inferences, but the curriculum at most universities (as with most text books that teach about this) is that LinearA is of Egyptian extraction. That doesn't mean the people or the language were.
To be fair, taking into account their sea-based culture, I'd say they were a branch off of the Phoenicians. Too many similarities not to have merit there.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven We Greeks, know that Minos was born beneath the perennial plane tree in Gortyn, after the mating of Zeus with the princess Europe daughter of Agenor and Tilefassis, which he kidnapped and brought to Crete transformed into a bull, by sea, accompanied by Nereids and Tritons ..and was adopted and brought up by Asterion...
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven...THINK BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH! Homer refers to Cretans as Eteocretans, Pelasgians, Ahaeans, Dorians, and Kydonians. While the Eteocretans .They were Greek tribes that inhabited various parts of the island at the time of Homer. Kydonians lived on the west side of the island and even today the name of the province around Chania is Kydonia. Kydon was the son of Minos’s wife Pasiphae, and Hermes...nothing Phoenician or Egyptian.....BEHAVE!
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven The Cretan fleet also took part in the expedition against Troy. When the Greek fleet was at Aulis, envoys were sent from King Idomeneas of Crete to Agamemnon, the supreme commander of the Greeks, announcing that if Agamemnon agreed to share the command with Idomeneas, one hundred Cretan ships would join the Greek expedition to Troy.AND THEY DID..BECAUSE THEY WERE GREEKS!....WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE ZIONISTS WHO OWN THE UNIVERSITIES AND THEY WITHOUT SHAME TRY TO FALSIFY HISTORY !
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven TELL THE ZIONISTS TO GO FUCK THEM SELVES!....THEY WILL NEVER PREVAIL!
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven ΣΩΚΡΑΤΗΣ: Αυτοί λοιπόν, οι Κρήτες, έχουν τους πιο παλιούς νόμους απ' όλους τους Έλληνες; («Ουκούν ούτοι, οι Κρήτες, παλαιοτάτοις νόμοις χρώνται των Ελλήνων»)
ΕΤΑΙΡΟΣ: Ναι. DO YOU UNDERSTAND GREEK?...I AM ASKING YOU!!!! SOCRATES SAYS OF ALL THE GREEKS THE CRETANS HAVE THE MOST ANCIENT LAWS!!!!..OF ALL THE GREEKS!..CRETANS WERE GREEKS!... SEMITES ZIONISTS,YOUR LIES DO NOT TOUCH US! OUST!
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
In all angry useless gibberish, where you apply the date of the Trojan war (which *if it occurred, occurred at least 3 thousand years after the Minoans were destroyed by the Greeks and Crete became Greek land), I just want to correct one thing.
I am not a Semite, or Jewish. I am Irish.
And the Greeks (Hellenes) who came to settle in Greece from the east were Arabians, brothers of the Syrians and Mesopotamians. As a result, 30% of Greeks today are Semites.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
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nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven . WHICH MEANS...There is a Land called Crete in the middle of the wine-blue water,a handsome country and fertile sea girt,and there are many peoples in it innumerable ...there are ninety cities......THE DISTRACTION OF THE VOLCANO OF SANTORINI THAT DESTROYED CRETE HAPPENED THE YEAR AROUND 1600 B.C...HOW COME HOMER DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? HE IS TALKING ABOUT 90 CITIES AND ALL THE GREEK TRIBES WERE LIVING THERE,EVEN THE ETEOCRETANS,AND DORIANS AND THE REST...
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888 WHICH MEANS THE TROJAN WAR HAPPENED BEFORE THE 1600 B.C,THEREFORE THE MINOANS WERE GREEKS,AND PARTICIPATED IN THE TROJAN WAR!...STOP YOUR PATHETIC DISTORTION!...
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888
The Trojan war, its date and events, and most of its characters are likely myth. In fact, Greeks have debated for thousands of years if or not Homer has existed.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR BRAINS!...The man wrote .The Iliad which contains over 15,000 lines,and in the Odyssey, 12,110 lines of dactylic hexameter,and you say he did not exist?....HAVE YOU BEING TO TROY,AND TO MYCENAE TO SEE THE WONDERS?...PLEASE STOP BEING PATHETIC!
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven POOR YOU!..YOU ARE DREAMING AGAIN!...THE TROJAN WAR OCCUR 3000 YEARS AFTER THE DISTRACTION OF CRETE?....YOU ARE REALLY A MENTAL CASE!....HOMER DOES NOT MENTION THE DISTRACTION OF CRETE NOT EVEN ONE TIME!..HE SAYS ....Κρήτη τις γαῖ' ἔστι μέσῳ ἐνὶ οἴνοπι πόντῳ,
καλὴ καὶ πίειρα, περίρρυτος ἐν δ' ἄνθρωποι
πολλοὶ ἀπειρέσιοι, καὶ ἐννήκοντα πόληες
ἄλλη δ' ἄλλων γλῶσσα μεμιγμένη ἐν μὲν Ἀχαιοί,
ἐν δ' Ἐτεόκρητες μεγαλήτορες, ἐν δὲ Κύδωνες
Δωριέες τε τριχάϊκες δῖοί τε Πελασγοί.
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven MODERN SCHOLARS,and scientists,have supported the notion that there is a racial connection,and continuation to the ancient GREEKS!LUIGI LUCA,CAVALLI-SFONZA,PAOLO MENOZZI,and ALBERTO PIAZZA,have found evidence of genetic connection between the ancient and the modern,90%.
nixter888 1 month ago
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@LuckyDukeSeven Also Sylvana Santahiara,from University of PAVIA,and Roy king FROM UNIVERSITY of STANFORD,ACCORDING TO THEIR STUDIES,The GREEKS are autoxthones,since 500-800.000 years ago,without stopping!BIOLOGY MEATS HISTORY..........NOW CLOSE YOUR MOUTH ABOUT THE GREEKS!..YOU ARE TOO SMALL AND UNIMPORTANT IN THEIR EYES....
nixter888 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven You still talk nonsense!...I am giving you proves,about the MINOANS BEING GREEK,AND YOU SCRATCH YOUR US!....CRETANS ARE GREEKS!....YOU ARE SO STUPID!,,GREEKS CAME OUT OF ARABIA YOU SAID?...DISTORTER OF HISTORY!....GREEKS ARE THE AUTHOXTHONES OF GREECE,AND WHATEVER YOUR ZIONISTIC MIND SAYS IT DOES NOT CHANGE THINGS!...ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US THAT SOCRATES IS LYING,ABOUT THE MINOANS BEING GREEK?...ALL THE NAMES, THEIR COSTUMES ,THEIR WAYS ARE GREEK! BEHAVE NOW!
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888 ASS(CORRECTION)
nixter888 1 month ago
@amphotep
Oh, but don't get me wrong. The Minoans aren't probably Egyptians- they're probably from Phoenicia or somewhere in the Arabian peninsula- which is where the Greeks that came to inhabit Greeks had come from anyways. Maybe they're north African sailors though, but their placement and their culture of sea-faring makes most believe them to be out of Arabia.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
@LuckyDukeSeven You must be kidding!...MINOANS WERE GREEKS!...Do not distort things!...Minos, and his brothers, Rhadamanthys and Sarpedon, were the Sons of king Asterion of Crete.... By his wife, Pasiphaë, he fathered Ariadne, Androgeus, Deucalion, Phaedra, Glaucus, Catreus, Acacallis and Xenodike. By a nymph, Pareia, he had four sons, Eurymedon, Nephalion, Chryses and Philolaus...ALL GREEK PEOPLE!..FALSIFICATION IS A CRIME!
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888 Socrates : Do you not know which of the Greeks use the most ancient laws ?
Companion : Do you mean the Spartans, and Lycurgus the lawgiver ?
Socrates : Why, that is a matter, I daresay, of less than three hundred years ago, or but a little more. But whence is it that the best of those ordinances come ? Do you know ?
Companion : From Crete, so they say.
Socrates : Then the people there use the most ancient laws in Greece ?
Companion : Yes. SOCRATES TOO SAY MINOANS WERE GREEKS TOO.
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888 [Plato] MINOS 3I3B 314B.
nixter888 1 month ago
@nixter888 YOU people should study the ancient Greek texts in depth,and leave the so call modern scholars aside ..they don't know nothing!
nixter888 1 month ago
I love you Greece.............
AlexSTi20 3 months ago
Minoans are White Indians,big eye.
They're not nowadays Caucasian at all.
gorloro 4 months ago
I don't know. Ask that racist Northax. As for me as I told Northax. I DO NOT ARGUE WITH FOOLS ! Many races moved throughout Europe starting around the time of the Roman conquest. My comments were about !900 BCE and before when Europe was mostly made up of the Celtic peoples whom were called Milk White People or GALLIC by the Greeks. Learn ancient history before you criticize.
LordMalia1900BC 4 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC PALE SKIN and LIGHT HAIR were described as signs of BARBARISM by Polemon of Laodicea, a GREEK man, in his book Physiognomica.
Pseudo-Aristotle, another ancient GREEK man, noted differences between Greeks and the people of the north, believing that Greek superiority was visible in their MEDIUM SKIN TONE, as opposed to PALE NORTHERNERS and dark southerners (black Africans). He claimed that BLUE EYES were a SIGN OF COWARDLY NATURE, and that they indicated POOR EYESIGHT.
Northax 4 months ago
@Northax Wow, I didn't know that. He gave a lot of good insights, but he was a dick! (he had slaves)
Donatellangelo 3 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC There are ancient Greek frescoes with GREEK soldiers on chariot with BROWN eyes (and jet-black hair). Guess the date on the frescoe? 1300 B.C.! Older than 900 B.C.!
Many more of those, if you look. The Minoans were dated even older, even before 1700 B.C. they were on Crete, and they're clearly black haired, BROWN EYED in their frescoes.
Please, stop spreading lies and twisted propaganda. Their ancient art shows THE TRUTH!
Northax 4 months ago
How the fuck does this end up in an argument about skin color? The lot of you whites, blacks and Asians are a bunch of racist arseholes.
66Ricas 5 months ago
Northax,
You are the only one claiming some one group over the other is inferior or superior to the other. You are being quite irrational and I will not argue with a fool !
What in hell is a Nordacist ? No, the original people of Greece were Gallic or Milk White people according to the ancient Greek History. I will not argue with a fool, so please quit your scratching.
LordMalia1900BC 5 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC dude don't be stupid this people where not black! European skins tones come in pink,white,ywllow and brown skin.this people where not black look at them there not black people and neither where the ancient egyptians not black
777MexicanPride777 4 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC A Nordicist is someone who is of Germanic (northern European - NORDIC <- northern) blood, with blue/green eyes, pale white skin and light hair (red/blond), or a mixture thereof (mixing has gone on for many years since Germanic tribes invaded Rome/Greece over the last 1500+ years, thus why you see light colors (blue eyes) mixed with dark colors (black hair), etc.).
These Nordicists try to make everyone believe THEY made ancient advanced civilizations in southern Europe. LIES!
Northax 4 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC I'm not the racist. I fight stupid racists (NordicistS) who try to spread their lies and twisted propaganda which is based on their superiority complex (built on falsehoods). They hate when I show them the truth, it trashes their silly "pride". You give off signs of being a Nordicist, or at least someone spreading lies based upon falsehoods, because you want to claim ancient civilizations as if your ancestors built them based upon physical looks (black hair, blue eyes). LIES!
Northax 4 months ago
@Northax
For sure. Minoans obviously weren't Nordic, I say that as an Irishman. And the Modern Greeks were influenced by Germanic tribes. Oddly enough, if you look to Italy (significantly less mixing) you'll see that the population, even in the North, is all of the Arabid haplotype. Only 30% of Greece is Arabid... That probably means that Southern Europe was settled, as most of the Mediterranean was, by pre-historic people from Felix Arabia. Just a theory.
LuckyDukeSeven 1 month ago
Northax,
What is this fixation you have about everybody being brown or black. Sorry my friend, blue,green, hazel eyes are european traits amongst most Europeans. Not all of Europe was subjected to the swarms of other races that invaded what Julius caesar would Call Gallacia. The Nordic peoples were never is Wales and they were destroyed when in Ireland. Sorry, My friend you need to sit down and get off of your racial kick. It does not click.
LordMalia1900BC 5 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC I'm sick of Nordicists trying to claim ancient Mediterranean peoples' civilizations, and calling Mediterranean peoples "inferior", etc.
I will be there to counter these idiots spreading propaganda. Get used to it.
Northax 5 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC I didn't say everyone is brown or black. Go read my posts again. You're delusional.
I said Mediterraneans can TAN in the sun, but their natural color is light olive toned originally.
Northax 5 months ago
Northax,
You must be reminded that those paintings were 4,000 years old. The Germanic tribes were very small compared to the Celtic Tribes of Black haired, blue eyed people who peopled most of Europe until about 1,000 years ago when the brown skinned people moved in from Africa and the areas now known as Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Arabia. If you bother to travel to Europe you will see that the people are not brown skinned .
Get with it guy, you are way off base and out of touch.
LordMalia1900BC 5 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC I know many are not brown skinned, genius. But most southern Europeans (all the ones of Mediterranean stock) can TURN BROWN when they tan in the sun for hours a day if they work in that strong sun like most men did back 3000-4000 years ago!
You need to get a clue. Those paintings show NO 'blue eyes' either. So stop believing that BS! Nordics have recessive blue/green eye traits, and those flooded southern Europe around 300-500 A.D. and mixed for the last 1500 years!
Northax 5 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC Seriously, you need to study history, especially the Germanic invasions, and all the mixture that's happened over the last 1500 years because of it. That's why you see ODD mixtures of black hair and blue eyes. Black hair is a DOMINANT trait, for those that live in sunny environments, it blocks the rays well. BLUE eyes are NOT meant for sunny environments - they're likened to pale white skin that burns in the sun, thus they're Nordic in origin.
Get a clue, seek a counselor.
Northax 5 months ago
Northax, please look at the right side of the screen just below the video where you will find very short video. The film shows Minoan frescoes that show IVORY SKINNED BEAUTIES as well as BLACK SKINNED BEAUTIES. Yes there were somethe black people on Crete 4,000 years ago. You are denying history when you say the Cretans were dark skinned. Just look at the Knossis-Palace of Minos
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC I already know the women had light skin from not tanning, thus hinting at them not going outdoors much back then, and I doubt they had ivory skin tone like redheads that burn in the sun; the women more likely had light OLIVE skin tone, like todays Mediterranean people show when not specifically tanned up.
I said the MEN usually tanned up from working and playing outside. Learn to read.
When I say DARK in complexion, I mean their hair is black, their eyes BROWN, etc.
Northax 5 months ago
By the way there was a tribe called Jermanii acording the Julius Caesar's journals. He trampled down and destroyed a tribe he did not like because they were just hunters and gatherers. After destroying their villages he turned the land over to the Jermanii tribe of Celts. They were Black haired Blue eyed just like the rest of the people of the Celtic tribes.
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
Northax, you have never been to Ireland, England, Scottland, France and other European Countries. They are filled with Blue eyed, green eyed, hazel eyed people with black hair. Well a small percentage have red hair. Caesar, when he fought the war with the Celts he called the areas all across Europe GALLACIA.
That term means LAND OF THE MILK WHITE RACE.
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC Uh, I already know they exist, but your brain doesn't know how to work: I said WITHOUT MIXTURE HAPPENING, blue eyes and black hair do not go together NATURALLY. Europe is VERY mixed now because of all the constant Germanic invasions that happened from 300 A.D. to 500+ A.D. and many migrated south after this happened and mixed over the 1500+ years. I KNOW THIS, WHY DON'T YOU?
Greek said they had medium color, not light like northerners, not dark like southerners (black Africans)
Northax 5 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC I can sense your insecurities, trying to claim an ancient civilization as having supposed connection to yourself. Sorry man, but it's just not true. Facts are facts. Just accept it. You're no less human for not being directly related to the Minoans, Greeks, etc. Seek counseling for your insecurities.
Stop believing BS Nordicist lies and twisted quotes/interpretations.
Northax 5 months ago
I was most fortunate to have spent 9 years overseas during my 20 plus years in the Air Force. Three years of which were at Bitburg Air Base, and that is an area that is near the French and the Luxemburg borders. That area was settled originally by the Celts. They were not part of the Germanic Tribes. England is the home of the Breton Celtic tribes. Celts are white NORTHAX, just like me.
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
It was a surprise to me when I found out their is a Malia Bay on the Gulf of Malia which are part of the Agean Sea. The Malia Lords Built their Palace in 1900 BCE.
The City of Malia is near the Palace on Crete. Malia is the OLDEST FAMILY NAME IN IRELAND. No Northax they did not come from Germany. The Celts Moved South From the Russian Steppes 10,000 years ago.
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC Keep believing that BS "history" if it makes you feel better. The Greeks, Minoans, etc. were Mediterranean people with BROWN eyes, black hair, and could tan with ease.
Blue eyes are a Germanic/Nordic trait, whether they're originally from Russia, or wherever, they're Germanic.
Black hair and blue eyes do not naturally go together without mixture. So much mixture has happened over the last 1500 years with Germanic tribes who invaded Roman lands and the darker Mediterraneans.
Northax 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC Sorry buddy, but their art proves them to be dark complexion. You're just trying to claim their history because it makes you feel better about yourself; only proving that you must lack in some other areas of your personal life. Sorry, but go see a counselor for that, because you just embarrass yourself even more going online and making up or repeating such dumb lies. lol
Ancient Greek and Minoan frescoes prove they looked EXACTLY how I say they looked. I live by FACTS!
Northax 6 months ago
One Greek even went on to say how blue eyes are a sign of bad eyesight; pale white skin a sign of barbarism and light hair a sign of femininity, etc. The Greeks despised the northern Germanic people.
The only reason why you see blue eyes and dark hair today is because of MIXTURE over the last 1500+ years since the Germanics invaded and mixed with the darker Mediterranean natives in Rome and Greece.
Go look up the Germanic invasions of Rome on Google, which happened around 300 A.D.
GET A CLUE!
Northax 6 months ago
The Malia Lords were had black hair and their eyes were blue. The Greeks called them Gallic or Milk White people. Northax does not know ancient history. The Celts who first settled Greece were from of the Celtic tribes. I can not say whether those people outside of the Malia family in the other palaces were Celt or of another race so please get off the color hang-up Northax and grow up.
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC Blue eyes are from recessive Germanic people up north. They are the equivalent to having pale white skin that burns in the sun, so they are not Mediterranean in original nature. Get a clue, please. Stop living in denial. You are jealous of Mediterranean Greek history, and mad that they did not look like you. That's too bad. Many racists like you try to claim what is not yours, because you're insecure.
Go speak to a counselor about your insecurity. Don't try stealing history.
Northax 6 months ago
The Great Palaces including the Malia Palace which was built 1n 1900 BCE. There were no dark skinned mediterraneans at the That was at least 1,000 years before the Turks fought to conquer Greece . The Greeks call the Celts Gallic People which means MILK WHITE EOPLE.
. The majority of the original people on Greece and her Islands were what the Greeks call GALLIC or MILK-WHITE PEOPLE. Northax your history is modern, Mine is ancient. I have visited Greece, have you?
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC You're in denial of truth. The paintings on the walls say everything - these people were Mediterranean, and they could tan with ease. They were not Germanic!
Greeks even said they had the best color of all - not too pale / light like the northerners (Germanics), and not too dark like the southerners (black Africans). Greeks had medium color - black/dark brown hair, brown eyes, olive skin tones and could tan nicely if they had to, not BURN like Germanic peoples.
End of story.
Northax 6 months ago
Germanic invaders or "Nordicists" have attempted to twist facts around for hundreds of years in order to claim darker peoples history, because Germanic "Nordicists" are ashamed of their LACK of ancient civilized history. They only came on the scene mainly when they had to steal Roman and Greek technology and other advancements in 300+ A.D. Then they became the ruling class, and so they felt the need to make others believe they're naturally superior. What pathetic, insecure nitwits they are.
Northax 6 months ago
A Celt is a Celt is a Celt. Germany's oldest and first City is Trier, where the Romans Built a coliseum on top of the Treberonii (Trier) village. The Bitburges village was smashed down and the romans built what was to become Bitburg Germany. I was in Bitburg when that City celebrated its 1,250 year as a City. Every Creek, every river and every pond and lake throughout Europe is named after a Celtic God or Goddess.
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC A liar is a liar is a liar. You're a liar in denial of factual history. Stop trying to claim a history that is not yours. It shows a sign of weakness on your part when you feel so insecure within yourself that you have to try and believe, and make others believe, that some other people built this and that civilization, when pictures and LOGIC proves they did not. Dark Mediterranean peoples are the ones that build MEDITERRANEAN civilizations in ancient times... PERIOD.
Northax 6 months ago
I forgot to mention to shadro that in ancient times many Celtic tribes made up the majority of the people on mainland Greece. The Malia family is of the Celtic VENUTTII Tribe.
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@LordMalia1900BC uare stupid, u probably meant illyro-celtic tribes.
exitre 6 months ago
The Mlia Palace was made by the Malia family, The Malia's are, were and will forever be Celtic. After the volcano on Santorini Blew its stack sending waves of tsunamis across 80 miles of sea where it destroyed the Malia, the Gnossis, and the Minos or Midas Palaces the survivors from Malia traveled to Ireland. That was some 3,500 years ago. My name is Arthur B. Malia. Malia is the root of the name O'Malley!
LordMalia1900BC 6 months ago
@european1001 lol the most ancient settlements found on cyprus for example were traced to anatolian villages. even your gay ionians is named after a turk javan who is son of father of turkic tribes japheth. rather no such thing as greeks
exitre 7 months ago
The palaikastro kouros gets shown! As for the race comments, I have no idea how you guys saw anyone's skin colour in this video aside from the wall paintings really. Can't wait to go back to Crete to work this summer!
Roonie41 9 months ago
this program is racist...point blank. they know hat they are guilty of
TheRebelEvolutionary 10 months ago
Those colors were 100 % accurate the men were Dark Brown because the original European population was darkskinned that's confirmed by genetics later Light skin people migrated into the Aegean. You all can't base predominately modern European phenotypes on the Europeans that lived 3,500 years ago or the even earlier Neolithic civilized periods there were other racial groups and people that had inhabited Europe before Whites arrived that scientists know very little about today.
DrXZY 1 year ago
@DrXZY The Minoans were still obviously of Caucasian genetic group. The men were darker in color because they worked and hunted/fished outside all day, every day in the strong Mediterranean sun. You do know [indigenous] southern Europeans can tan very dark if/when they have to, right?
Google Image search Minoans and see the women are very light, while the men remain quite dark overall, exception being the Minoan Prince which you'll see. He's light color, assuming he didn't work outside much.
Northax 6 months ago
pelasgians, not greeks.
exitre 1 year ago
The Malia Palace was built by the Malia Lords who were celts and the Greeks called them GALLI C which means of the MILK WHITE RACE.
LordMalia1900BC 1 year ago
@LordMalia1900BC Stop trying to steal history. Go be happy with your own history. Your insecurity and jealousy is not good to have. Be secure in yourself. ;)
Northax 6 months ago
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AloHaG1Rl 1 year ago
But women were white...I think men were very tanned...not "dark"
TheMorganSir 1 year ago
@TheMorganSir the paintings presented are modern one and the colors are not ancient, the people there were probably closest to turks today
exitre 1 year ago
@exitre They are restored ancient paintings, and the painters had clues from the paint that was faded. Their hair was black, then men were darker in shade. The painters just filled it all in to see what it would look like if we lived back then and saw the Minoans painting it just 2-3 days ago. Minoans were GREEK - period. End of story.
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax restored this and that, its not the original painting no matter what u say. and minoans would be pelasgian/turkic or phoenician before they were greek
exitre 6 months ago
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exitre 6 months ago
@TheMorganSir If you was out in the fields, hunting, fishing, wouldnt it be logical that the men were tan, and the women stayed home were white, because they stayed out of the sun.My Grand father had milky white skin he lived up in the mountains of Lesbos,when we brought him to Florida he tanned.Come on people to assume they were African because they were tan is stupid.The nose's of the people were not that of africans,there facial structure was not that of Africians.
kyriacos40 1 year ago 2
@kyriacos40 i wish i lived on a mountain of lesbos
Jania85 11 months ago
@kyriacos40 Exactly! lol! :)
Northax 6 months ago
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IMHALUX1 1 year ago
damn check custom soldierz - minoan is so crazy the drum and bass track... so epic
IMHALUX1 1 year ago
they are pretty damn dark to be called european
Steadno 1 year ago
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@Steadno
look at 1:00 and 4:30 - color signifies sex, women are depicted white and men darker.
irilinya 1 year ago
@irilinya meh the men are too dark though
Steadno 1 year ago
@irilinya I think it's just that men were TANNED because they were the ones working outdoors in that strong Mediterranean sun, and hunting/fishing all the time, as well, among other things, like playing (when kids - Google Image search the Minoan kids boxing), etc. etc.
Women just stayed in the shade mostly, I'm assuming, so they remained light in color.
My theory, but it does make sense, imo.
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax Could well be, though considering it was a matrilineal society, in which women played a significant role, I doubt they were enclosed in their homes.
We can only assume now... don't you wish sometimes a time machine really existed?
irilinya 5 months ago
@irilinya I'm not implying the females did not tan because they were supposedly forced to stay inside. Their art clearly shows the men respecting the women, and even believed in some kind of snake goddess religion of some sort. But it seems a majority of men were clearly darker toned in skin, thus hinting at them being tan from working and playing (a fresco of boxing kids, as an example) outdoors all the time, whether building structures, fishing for long hours, or playing (boxing, etc.).
Northax 5 months ago
@Steadno You've never heard of being tanned from sitting/working in the sun all day, every day? They're a Mediterranean people, they can tan easily and very dark. The men were dark (building structures and hunting/fishing every day), while the women mostly remained light (stayed inside, did not work outside much), according to their artwork; though I'm sure some exceptions were made, but most of their artwork was most likely destroyed in the volcanic eruption, or other such disasters.
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax put one of these people next to a white person e.g. irish or german and you can tell they are a different race. this is just another case of whites trying to steal anothere culture.
Steadno 6 months ago
@Steadno Put one of these people next to a Greek (dark tanned or not), Italian or Spaniard and you will see extreme similarity. I'm talking about the dark-complexioned Greeks, Italians and Spaniards, by the way. I know the light ones exist, but they're from Germanic background, which has happened over the last 1500 years, and even some years before 300 A.D. (when Germanics mainly invaded Rome by force).
If I tan for 6+ hours a day in the sun for a month, I will look like a Minoan male.
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax thats my point greco-romans arent true whites. and if they knew that the babarians of the north eg visigoths, pects or slavs were claiming to be part of them they would roll in their graves. you can 'tan' all you want but you will not get as dark as them UNLESS you have some small amount of native american or black in you.
Steadno 6 months ago
@Steadno I tan very easily and very dark, actually. I was at the beach once and I sat out for around 6-7 hours, I looked like an Indian from India because my skin was so dark. Trust me, I can tan dark, and so can all indigenous Mediterranean Europeans, just like Middle Easterners. But they're still Caucasian. I know there's a difference between light-haired/eyed Germanics compared to dark featured Mediterranean Europeans; they do have different genes, but they're still both Caucasian.
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax caucasian is a lose term invented by racist 'scientists' in order to try and claim other cultures. the greco-romans hated the northern peoples and the only contact they had was war or making them slaves.
Steadno 6 months ago
@Steadno Well, I agree, there are many racists trying to claim history of other ancient civilizations based solely on racism and to brainwash people today in order to get them to look up to certain people, as if they are naturally superior on a genetic scale, which I know is not true. But when I say "Caucasian" I mean people with more similar features - eye shape, nose shape, etc. But colors do differ, thus proving they are still different on a genetic scale when it comes down to it.
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax take a look at the fula or ethiopians etc the have pointed features yet they are black. gotta stop using the science from the 1700s.
HiddenBlackHistory 6 months ago
@HiddenBlackHistory Take a look at Minoan women with very light skin color, but the men had darker brown shades overall (except the Minoan Prince - look him up on Google Images) obviously pointing at how the men must have tanned from working/playing outdoors all the time, while the women stayed indoors - no tan.
Gotta start using the logic.
Go claim your own West African black history. Hidden black history? You're making your own history up as you guys go, lol! It's not hidden.
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax now youre back to the color thing 'tan' again.
HiddenBlackHistory 6 months ago
@HiddenBlackHistory Yep, and I used it in a logical way to prove my point. Sorry if the truth hurts, but learn to accept it and move on in life. Go study West African history for yourself and be proud of it. STOP trying to steal history that is NOT yours or anyone elses!
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax you might convince yourself but few believe you. sorry but pain of truth.
HiddenBlackHistory 6 months ago
@HiddenBlackHistory You've got to be in the utmost denial to not see how the Minoan women were clearly of "Caucasoid" genetic type and were light in color compared to the (CLEARLY CAUCASOID) tanned men.
Seriously, you are truly blind, in mind and physically in the eye. You cannot make out specific details on facial structure, apparently. Get glasses from your eye doctor, or better yet, eat carrots, they help the eyes! ;)
Northax 6 months ago
@Northax lol ethiopian, somalian, fula, lamba, mandinka and a dozen other african ethnic groups are 'caucasoid' (pseudoscientific term from the 1700s) so guess theyve just got 'tans' though right. mhhhh?
HiddenBlackHistory 6 months ago
@HiddenBlackHistory Yeah, and show me any of those ethiopians, somali, etc. with very like skinned women, yet the men are tanned? You can't Their women will be the same color. Wow, you're just so clueless, you need to lay off the weed, man. lol!
You're quite insecure about your history, aren't you? You have to claim European history. That's very pathetic.
DNA proves the difference between Mediterranean Europeans from Somalis, Ethiopians, etc.
You live in clear denial.
Northax 6 months ago