The Watchtower Society Origins Are Right Under Your Nose

[MrGoodweedindeed]

Russell was very much a mason and I believe of the highest degree

[Revolt1680]

@MrGoodweedindeed He definitely was not ignorant of masonic teachings, everyone says they are secretive, but he knew a lot about it.

[Fiascobambino]

Albert Pike states that the Masons worship Lucifer trough the Kabb-allah in his book Morals and Dogma. It's the Gnostic Lucifer, the snake of Eden.But they mix him up with Jesus (Imanuel/Yahushua) So it's indeed a religion. Lucifer is not a name but a title used on Satan & Jesus. If you look at the dobbelheaded eagle (phoenix) it's half red (Osiris/Jesus) & half black (Set/Satan). Red is male & Black is female.They infact thinks that Jesus & Satan are twins and the same person.Black & Hvite.

[Revolt1680]

@Fiascobambino It would be easy for them to come to that conclusion since both Jesus and Lucifer are called the "morning star" in the bible. That snake of Eden is also Ea Enki, who is considered Lucifer as well - but in that story, he is the hero, making Enlil the one who brought the flood and put all mankind through the tests.

[seadog92023]

interesting............have you noticed and the illuminati symbols on clothing? The surf and snowboarding industries such as Quicksilver, Hurley, ect. are featuring this art workis.

So it seems there is a coming out....If WT is still associated with illuminati why wouldnt continue publishing these symbols on their books and magazines as they did in the past?

[Revolt1680]

@seadog92023 Actually they do design a lot of symbolism into the artwork of their publications, although it may be as invisible to the eye as the symbolism in mainstream advertisements and artwork. Some branding is blatantly showing the symbols, but most major companies only hint at it to be seen by those who can recognize. Symbolism is older than speech, it talks to parts of our brains without us being consciously aware. The watchtower is very involved with the New Dawn concept.

[jonathonlb]

LET ME TELL YOU BUDDIES...the jehovah's witnesses is a fanatical cult. This is FACT from one who was brainwashed into their fanatical dogma from birth. They are a dangerous group. This cult destroys lives, families! The only difference between them and the taliban, are the guns and bombs. The jehovah's witnesses weapons are their brainwashing skills. The watchtower, bible and track society decides what dogma to teach and the people are brainwashed into believing the SHIT is the truth. EVIL

[Revolt1680]

@jonathonlb I for one think the JW are definitely worse than the taliban. My family has been reduced to shit by their rules and the restriction on natural affection. They can be "recongnized by their love" - my a**! As a JW, you have to ready to cut even the person you love most, out of your life forever... even if it is unfair, even if it isn't so important to life as a whole - doesn't mattery, you just have to do as those imperfect men tell you.

[jayandersons]

and they use to celabrate holladys so what? they have removed false relions teachings long ago.

[Revolt1680]

@jayandersons So what? Don't you know that to Jehovah's Witnesses it was always important to consider the origins of things in order to know if they are something a Christian should be involved in? Tell me why the origins of the Watchtower Society are no big deal.

[jayandersons]

@Revolt1680 becuse they ben remove and corrected, no big deal no one died, it s not like we suported nazes. crewsades, inqusions, find a better relion.

[Revolt1680]

@jayandersons Oh, I see, you just go around arguing to argue. I'm not in the mood to play. I was a Jehovah's Witness long enough to know that we all studied so much that we aced English and Grammar. Nice try though, you really pinned the closed-minded attitude down.

[celtusguy]

@jayandersons are you so ignorant? It is a big deal! Don't you know that before they removed there ban on vaccinations thousands of people died? The WTOrg has lied to, decieved and murdered its members from its begining and continues to do so to this day. Jesus and his disciples never changed or went back on anything they taught because it was Truth. But the WT often changes its beliefs which means that they preach lies and deception until they get 'new light'. What a deceptive cop out!

[thepixieful]

would love to have an actual document listed that connects pastor russell and crowley,

[shufx]

@thepixieful If you ever find it P.M. it to me. That would be solid gold right there.

[thepixieful]

@shufx that is THE thing, cannot actually find the masonic occult link, hints sure. if there is a link it might be golden dawn member as bible translator. Westcott. great book: 'women of the golden dawn", re: ireland and men like it too........crowley visited pyramid and russell too, but not at same time I don't think, who knows, same victorian age of adventure.

[shufx]

@thepixieful Russel's sermon "The Temple of God" has endless masonic speak. Maybe because the sermon was held in a Masonic Lodge? His book Jewish Hopes speaks highly of Lionel Rothschild a couple of times. You can order the books on amazon.

[thepixieful]

@shufx wow. I shall look at yt. i might find it free. masonic stuff was cool, it was what victorians had before TV and net. be well. crowley book Secret Agent 666 is a great adventure book get cupcakes and book at that on line book shop.

[shufx]

@thepixieful Russel's sermon "The Temple of God" has endless masonic speak. Maybe because the sermon was held in a Masonic Lodge? Maybe the met there?

[SahMai]

They also own 50% of the RAND corporation, which is part of the depopulation program of the world, and also claim that they have a direct channel to God Yeh, “channel” alright; channel 666, known affectionately as the BULLS—T channel! Truth on darling! Nice work on your video!

They are the gateway to the devil! Truth on darling!

[chetmck]

these people are not jehovah's witness

[Revolt1680]

@chetmck Who do you mean by "these people"?

[thepixieful]

@chetmck russell's tomb is a pyramid shape, everyone knows it.

[malkaraatgw1]

Russel and Ruthrford were Flim flam Men who fleeeced theri flock. Pastor Russell was an insult not priaising his intergraty whch like Judge Rutherford they are bhave none

[girlznguitarz]

@laddrouttobias1914 no they are not they keep blaspheming God by being false prophets

[girlznguitarz]

@girlznguitarz then you do not know what the Bible says about 'false prohets' do you!

[Fiascobambino]

This tells us that Rutherford was also one Luciferian Mason. He would not put this pyramide in that place if he was not ! Could this occultism really be inspired by Yahwes holy ghost ? The Masons worship the Kaballah (Jewish Satanism) and they believe that Yahweh & Baal & Osiris are they're god.Does the Watchtower believe the same things today ?

[malkaraatgw1]

@Fiascobambino Freemasonry does not worship false gods and do not worship the Kabalah. As for Yahweh is that the same capricious, petty vindictive ethnic cleansing child killing regicide of the old testiment

[t3mpl3guardian]

@Fiascobambino wow ... I just realized kaballah spelled backwards is halla bak ... reminds me of the holla back guy from chapelle

[RODikUlus]

@laddrouttobias1914 - You vaugely stated you'll show me from the bible. What did you want to show me from the bible, and what did you want me to show you from the bible? Sorry for the delay, but have been very busy, and had other conversations.

[RODikUlus]

@laddrouttobias1914 -WALLAH!! You hit the dillema on the head. If Jesus didn't die, or for that matter, didn't die as a perfect man, then that creates a world of problems for ALL Chrisitan beliefs. Belief never approaches the realm of knowing...or else you wouldn't call it belief anymore. I've counted at least 2 ways that Jesus did sin in the bible according to WT theology. I'll share these 2 ways Jesus biblically fell short later. Thought crime is 1, & taking credit wrongfully is the other.

[RODikUlus]

@laddrouttobias1914 - have little time now, and lots of work this weekend. So later in the weekend, I will try and show you. Regardless of the time, I will show you. I specifically wanted you to answer what did Jesus explicedly state in that scripture, and what that dynamically means. I've already figured out that Jesus was originally a myth, as the story, & many like it start in the eastern world. You're in a sect of western Christianity that you can thank the RCC for starting. Council of Nicea

[RODikUlus]

@laddrouttobias1914 -To a degree, you may be ready to find out how much the bible actually contradicts itself. Would a loving, & orderly God leave a book that causes so much division of how to interpret it? There are Catholics and about 38,000 different sects of Chrisitianity. The bible is very much open to interpretation...and at the end of the day, Jesus will say to those who interpreted wrongly "Get away from me". How elusive! Tell me, who sincerly & knowingly follow the bible wrong. Nobody

[RODikUlus]

@laddrouttobias1914 -All these other scriptures are fluff. I can show you 3 scriptures. One showing you the Father raised Jesus, another showing you Jesus raised Jesus ( John 2:19-21), & another showing the holy spirit raised Jesus. And with that alone, the trinity looks better than your belief, if you were to believe all 3 of those scriptures...but you only believe 2 of those scriptures. I don't even believe the bible anymore, but since you do, I showed U actually don't believe all of it.

[RODikUlus]

@laddrouttobias1914 -I didn't forget anything. You just skipped something. Read John 2:19-21 and tell me what Jesus said he will do. As a JW, you have called Jesus a liar in this scripture, and can't believe his literal words, even when he explains exactly what he means.

So, clearly tell me what Jesus said he will do, and who will raise his body on the 3rd day. I'm not a believer of the trinity either, as this scripture is a problem for trinity believers too.

[RODikUlus]

@laddrouttobias1914 - The JW's aren't right, but have alot to gain when they get people to feel they are. One way you can see this is by looking at John 2:19-21. In there, Jesus says that he raised his own body after 3 days. Now, get a JW to explain this in any way that makes sense. The bible has some truths, but you'll never know where the knowledge originated from. Yes, certain numbers are esoterically important. Also, the 4 living creatures, and Israels tribes are nothing but the Zodiac.

[Revolt1680]

@laddrouttobias1914 I would have agreed with that for many years, but I've learned too much to agree now. Truly, there is no hell or place of torment. Everyone has their own personal view of death, I won't argue who's right. But I can tell you that the number 144,000 and other numbers mentioned repeatedly in Revelation have always been very important esoteric numbers even before Jesus' time. Fossil records and ancient texts agree, there are natural cycles of creation and destruction.

[Revolt1680]

@laddrouttobias1914 Well, forgive me then. I saw your pic with a tie, buttonup and slacks and the date 1914, which I assumed was not your birth year... What is your story, then?

[Revolt1680]

@laddrouttobias1914 Am I really? I have a question. Are you allowed to be viewing information like this? When I was a JW, people were disfellowshipped for listening, much less attempting conversation.

[thepixieful]

I am well versed with Russell, and I know who Crowley is, can you give a source of them meeting???? Thanks.

[Revolt1680]

@thepixieful I believed that I stated in the video that it was rumored since that is my understanding. It is only an interesting rumor because they had some similar interests, and that cannot be denied.

[thepixieful]

odd little time capsule too? Russell had a bit of fame and ego.......

[afterraincomessun]

Now there are already too much of these kinds of videos:

always pointing at the past , as if the witnesses did not change.

Tell me : are church visitors responsible for the killing of people in the past , like in the spanish inquisitions?

and if you blame the institute that came forth of the dark ages but now walk in the light: who are you than?

do you enjoy good medical care ?

do you know how doctors treated patients a hundred years ago?

you should reward people for their progressive form

[TheJwhistory]

I have been studying the History of the JW's for many tears. This video is eye candy, a treasure by itself. R.T. Russell built his Magazine Publishing Empire printing spectacular lies and invented doctrines influenced by his occult beliefs. A++++++++++++++++++ for this video.

[torrents4u2c]

I've seen all those old publications along with plamplets written by Russell and Rutherford. They were located in an old Kingdom Hall that was being cleaned out about forty years ago. The local elders said the books and plamplets should be destroyed. Why destroy your history? I begin to understand that the information was 'old truth' and no longer valid. I wish I had kept them.

[Revolt1680]

@torrents4u2c Yes. And honestly, I find the things he was researching and learning to be pretty interesting. I think he may have been on to something big.

[2127brandon]

ITS NOT ABOUT BELIEVING IN A MAN ITS BELIEVING IN GOD AND YOURSELF. DONT BE FOOLED BY PEOPLES OWN BELIEFS.

[shufx]

Anyone here remember growing up with the book "You can live forever on Paradise on Earth"? What kind of people show those kind of images to children? Aside from the disturbing images see page 19 guy running from cops has a necklace with a pyramid and moon. That's an Occult symbol. Notice the RAM on page 244. LOL at least they don't forget where they came from. LOL

[Revolt1680]

@shufx I do remember those pictures. I think it's the Revelation book that has a questionable picture on page 52 I think. It may be on a nearby page, but it's of the priest kings smashing earthen vessels with scepters. There's a hand sticking out from behind Jesus that looks reptilian. Never saw it as a witness, none of them see it now - but it's there. I threw out my books, so I can't check for the actual page anymore.

[shufx]

@Revolt1680 Speaking about reptillian do you remember the old Green Bible? The one with the two legged reptillian. Now why would they put a Dinosaur in a Green Bible? Everyone knows that dinosaurs did not walk with mankind unless...... Anyways it should not be there but it is. Take a look.

[Revolt1680]

@shufx Oh wow! I forgot about that, but yes. My Mom had one of those old green bibles. She may still have it.

[afterraincomessun]

@shufx dinosaurs walked on earth : they were there in a time that there were no humans on earth.But have you seen Jurassic Park ?

what a movie for kids.

last month in our shopping center all kinds of dinosaurs were placed uges beasts with sounds etc.

Little kids had to fill in a form about the names etc.

strange there were no frightened kids.

Oh i loved Jaws

But who said that the witnesses place wrong pictures in their lecture?

have you never seen paradise on earth pictures?

[shufx]

@afterraincomessun Yes I have the book.

[thepixieful]

@shufx that is funny, reptilian before david icke's books. I shall look.

[shufx]

@thepixieful I know creepy huh? talk about ancient aliens. I saw an old article written by Russel that says that Jehovas lives in the pleiades star cluster. Funny because those Ancient Alien Theorists believe the same thing. A lot of the Icke stuff relates to that which is kind of weird. Good script for a movie.

[shufx]

@Revolt1680 Speaking about reptillian do you remember the old Green Bible? The one with the two legged reptillian. Now why would they put a Dinosaur in a Green Bible? Everyone knows that dinosaurs did not walk with mankind unless...... Anyways it should not be there but it is.

[shufx]

@Revolt1680 Speaking about reptillian do you remember the old Green Bible? The one with the two legged reptillian. Now why would they put a Dinosaur in a Green Bible? Everyone knows that dinosaurs did not walk with mankind unless...... Anyways it should not be there but it is.Awww they wont let me link it.

[afterraincomessun]

@shufx Have you got a clue of what video games little children nowadays play?

[JWAlphamaleORG]

itsacult

[essy111]

Thanks for this brilliant video. I am an ex JW but my sister and her 3 chilrdren are aswell her daugter has started dating a policemen outside what they call the truth and shes only allowed to date him if he takes up a bible study, this is really bugging me as Ive found out all this information that what the JW society really represent. Im hoping this guy see's sense and actually peswades my niece to be a free thinker, but anyone any suggestions?

[soberauer]

@essy111 I would say just ask him to look up "Jehovah's Witnesses" on YouTube. There's loads of videos posted by "apostates" who want to help.

[BananaJSSI]

Charles T. Russell a Freemason and a very good liar of course, lol

[buttascotchbro1]

5 For we are preaching, not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as YOUR slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God is he who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,” and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate [them] with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ

[buttascotchbro1]

3 If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

[TheJwhistory]

Revelation 22:18-9

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book."

tHE GOVERNING BODY ADD TO THE WORD OF GOD

[fashionxxbeauty]

@TheJwhistory so they added jehovah's name where it belong's. he has a personal name and it should be used.

[TheJwhistory]

@fashionxxbeauty Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book. 19 If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.

[TheJwhistory]

@fashionxxbeauty Thank you for your comment. If God had intended the name Jehovah to be used instead of God in selected verses, he would have inspired the writers to use Jehovah. Since most N. T. authors were Jewish, they knew all of the Hebrew names of God.  The New World translators intentionally deceive the readers to support the doctrines of the JWs.

[afterraincomessun]

@TheJwhistory

part1

Now just reason if you can : if Jesus uses a passage of the OT where the name of Jehovah was written but later removed by the soferim, will he then have used the name or not::

luke4:17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor,

[afterraincomessun]

@TheJwhistory

part 2

he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.” 20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed upon him. 21 Then he started to say to them: “Today this scripture that YOU just heard is fulfilled.”

so did he or did he not read Jehovah ?

[fashionxxbeauty]

Respond to this video...  they added him name where it belongs, so people arent confused that christ is not god but his son.

[TheJwhistory]

@fashionxxbeauty The New Testament was written in Greek. Every time you see Jehovah in the New Testament it was added to support JW doctrines, as you have admitted. Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book.

[afterraincomessun]

@TheJwhistory

part 1 you should prosecute the soferim

do you know how many bibles use Gods name : i have a collection and i am certain your mother had or has:

some form is Yahweh or Jahweh but Jehovah is most common : many trranslations apologise that they in order to follow old traditions REMOVED THE NAME.

But what do you think : does it please God that they removed His name:

15 Then God said once more to Moses:

[afterraincomessun]

@TheJwhistory part 2

“This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘Jehovah the God of YOUR forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to YOU.’ This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation. 16 You go, and you must gather the older men of Israel, and you must say to them, ‘Jehovah the God of YOUR forefathers has appeared to me, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,

[hardhick]

i enjoyed your video. i agree that there are a lot of dark teachings from the w.t. past, but are they still teaching these things? im a witness, though inactive and am confused to say the least. but what are witnesses doing today? they aren't teaching people about pyramids. they are teaching people about jesus and jehovah (yahweh).

[Revolt1680]

@hardhick The Watchtower society judges all holidays and religions by their origins, it's only fair to consider theirs. They claim 1914 comes from the fall of Babylon in 607 BCE. What they fail to mention is that happened in 587 BCE, not 607, not one historian agrees with that date. 1914 correlates to measurements within the great pyramid in Giza. Look up the meaning of "jah" and "hovah" in a concordance. Jehovah means Yahweh is ruin, disaster, misfortune and mischief!

[thepixieful]

@Revolt1680 that is quite interesting I have a concordance here and shall check it out.

[Revolt1680]

He talks about all religions really. He's currently in prison, up for parole this year. I think he's wandered into some sensitive areas. More reason to see what he has to say!

[clnmyjts]

In the depiction at video location 6: 57 you can see the winged men are handing a pine cone to be placed on the symbolic tree of life located in the center of the men.

What is the pine cone all about :-)

The one thing I don`t like about all the secrecy behind all these secret org. has to do with their deception. Why not just speak the truth about who we are as hu-man on this planet? Is it because they don`t like being equal to all life on planet earth? Lording over man seem to be the motive.

[Ribcagehacksaw]

@clnmyjts in my research, a pine cone shaped object often has a connotation of mystic passage- and is in relation to the port of the third eye. Actually, the pineal gland in the brain is considered to be the seat of the soul, and is called a 'pineal' gland because of it's pine cone shape. Check it out.

[clnmyjts]

My, friend you are so correct : ) AND If I may add we the hu-man race have a dynamic connection to the source of all thing threw the pineal gland. In fact it is now believe by science that the atom`s in the human body are really mini black holes leading to somewhere.

[RODikUlus]

@clnmyjts-I've noticed what you said. I'm an ex-jw, and have been to the Assembly Hall in Long Island City ( depicted in the video), and others in the NYC area, that have the egyptian winged sun disk in decorations.

I have listened to interviews of William Bulhman, Robert Bruce, and Robert Monroe. Robert Monroe developed Hemi-sync, which enables us to easier achieve astral projection or OBE. Also Astralboobaby vids r also good. Have you OBE'ed. I think I want & need to. Seems to be real truth

[clnmyjts]

@RODikUlus I`m a X JWs as well and put15 years into the WTBTS...Sooo yeah I`m still looking for truth about what is the source of creation " the god theology " & how does it work.....I haven`t been able to do a OBE and see my phyical body lying there..BUT I can astrol project my body ora.. I think this fits in well with "The biblical ideology of the fruits of the spirit being different "there is microbiolocal truth to some of the biblical text "

[RODikUlus]

@clnmyjts-Hey. Thanks for the quick response. Very interesting. I'm glad that you are able to do that. I don't have any memory of being able to do any of those things...but I bought a cd based program with sounds, and a book to teach you mental exersices in order to achieve an OBE. Your response, is yet another positive reaffirmation that this is a real phenomenon.

I read in that book, that it happens when we strike that delicate balance of mind, body, and spirit ( of which we are)...Cont...

[clnmyjts]

@RODikUlus Your welcome...for the quick response...I did a few video`s on science topic that fit in with biblical theology ( both the hebrew & the christian greek )...Revolt1680 is a great lady & she can connect the dots for you with native oral traditions ) There is no doubt in my mind that the WTBTS is a german jewish zionist funded man made secret society owned cult to create chaos in the world..via all starting sometime after judge rutherford took over as president

[Revolt1680]

@clnmyjts May I interject that Charles T. Russell was very aware - he just didn't see anything wrong with Masonic or Rosicrucian teachings. The Order of the Golden Dawn is still invoking the Watchers of the Watchtowers, and he supported the Millenial Dawn and Golden Age ideology which all have roots in Egyptian Mythology (I for one think the word Mythology is misleading, it very well may be reality).

[clnmyjts]

@Revolt1680 thanks...IT is really hard for most of us to wrap our minds around the idea that all the mysteries of the comos is infact truths of reality..( How easy is it to explain to someone they are cloned everyday into fractials of space time? ) As bill Hicks put it..life is just a ride and you can change it at any time..

[Revolt1680]

@clnmyjts I'm still trying to get the hang of riding this wave! LOL

[clnmyjts]

@Revolt1680 ha...ha....yep.. I have recklessly road the waves for years now and didn`t even know I was altering my space time wave..Yet I`m still here..ha...ha

[Revolt1680]

@clnmyjts ROFLMAO - What a wild ride, huh?! Glad you survived - I like having you around to talk about all this stuff.

[thepixieful]

@Revolt1680 golden dawn was a profound and short lived lodge before world war one, just because millenial dawn and golden age have the words golden and dawn does not mean it is the same. to you have anything that links russell to let say william butler yeats the great poet or g.b. shaw the playright or that odd duck crowley or mathers or westcott, wait I think he did know westcott. any other info pls rsvp thx.

[RODikUlus]

@clnmyjts Thanks...will watch your videos. I like trying to understand the concept of truth. I think reality itself is God. For what can come or happen before reality, or can outlast it?

[clnmyjts]

@RODikUlus your welcome my friend. I`m glad to see new ones "seekers of truth" looking out side the box. I have a lot of crazy talk in my video`s... here is a fun one to start off with! it called, crazy talk life; what constitues intelligence watch?v=AM-9G6oyqBs

[RODikUlus]

@clnmyjts Cont...I noticed other religions refer to the 3 in 1 analogy. What if God ( the Father) represents our MIND, Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT, & Jesus Christ represents our BODY? I can see it making sense. In order to transcend this "world", & live the "real life", we must "conquer this world", by surpassing it, & seeing it for what it is. The MIND/ Father always told the body & spirit what to do, they never tell the MIND/ Father what to do. The BODY/ Christ is the only 1 that died. Cont-

[thepixieful]

@RODikUlus ancient egypt had the physical and then the Ka and the Ba but that is deep paganism......the real true answer is we do not KNOW, we can have faith as the JW do, we can wish and hope but no one knows, hope the afterlife is real and we will be able to know after we go.....atheists are brave to face death as a void of nothing after this, I hope there is a paradise, it is a belief I have......

[RODikUlus]

@thepixieful - From what you said, here's the real question. If we don't really KNOW, then how do you KNOW what is pagan?

[thepixieful]

@RODikUlus with respect sir, no human knows, any religion is belief and faith, i respect our freedom of press and religion.....if you have done the honor of hospice, many seem to know at the end of this earthly life. but we have no science there. I hope and I have faith and I believe but I do not know.....with every good wish, 4th generation JW. be well.

[RODikUlus]

@thepixieful - I meant that response in all respect too. I didn't mean for it to offend you in any way. But it seems you got the point. If no one knows, then no one can know what is pagan either. It's all a toss up. All we can do is agree that there are negative and positive forces in the balance.

Also, with no consciousness, there is no God.

[RODikUlus]

@thepixieful - Have you ever heard of a scholarly work called "The Two Babylons", written by Alexander Hislop. I was trying to show my JW grandmother that the JW can't be the thruth, as even Christianity can't be. Of course she got offeneded. Then she asked me if I read this book, with a proud tone. Thing is, this book ( written over 100 years ago) shows you how Chrisitianity, came from Judiasm, which came from Kemetian ( Egyptian), which came from Sumer ( Babylon). Abraham too is from Babylon.

[thepixieful]

@RODikUlus two babylons book was popular with JW in russell and rutherfords day. similar to zeitgiest movie in some respects. but one shows how bad naughty paganism is, the other says hey it is all pagan and that is ok in the 21st century. but the story is similar. be well. and honor the older people. let them have the stories they have for their comfort. you can do yours with out "converting" them. an old habit...converting others. let it go. be well.

[RODikUlus]

@thepixieful - Sorry, but my grandma has to hear it. Debating is an art that gets lost once people stop using critical thinking, but your welcome to deal with your family however you want to, as I'll give you no advice on how to do that.

I've asked you to check out a video on Hemi-Sync, with Robert Monroe & others. You declined, and that's what made you happy. However, if you really want truth, then you have to address why & what near death experiences & astral projection are. What are they?

[RODikUlus]

@clnmyjts Cont (3). When it says bone and flesh can't enter the "kingdom of heavens", or God's kingdom, I take it that we can when we aren't bound by our body, & can shift our consciencness out of it, to enter & explore that realm.

Being this is looking to be more & more the truth, I am excited. The bible speaks of the silver chord in Eccl, & Revel writer mentions being "out of body", "in the spirit", & in 3rd heaven. WT never could clarify 3rd heaven, but OBE'ers seem to have explained it.

[Revolt1680]

Exacly. And most depictions of gods have pinecones or acorns for that very reason. There's a giant pinecone at the vatican in the courtyard of the pinecone.

[clnmyjts]

The native american indian speaks of the pleades as being the great spirit of the seven sisters.

ALSO?

Notice the Assyrian winged god is holding a pine cone in his hand. The Sumarian tales of mining for gold is interesting to say the least.

The Rosicrusian order has a Modern brotherhood today. In a publication found on the internet called what the etheric vision reveals you can read about the golden cord tha connects us to the source of all things. Mining for gold.

[Revolt1680]

You may be interested in watching my favorited David Wilcox if you haven't already. Also the Return of the Ancestors - the return is expected from the sky. An Elder I know is in that video, he said he prayed for my family there. At least we Natives don't lie to their own people about what we believe. It upsets me that my Mom insisted that I steer clear of my Grandmother's ways and beliefs, when apparently they had more in common with JW root beliefs that what she is aware of.

[clnmyjts]

I have watched all most all of David Wilcocks video`s..He is a great guy & I like 90% of his stuff ..but he is still being used by secret society groups..

[Revolt1680]

Yeah. I think you have to get a little here and get a little there to find the real story. But he has some really great points, just like Maxwell and Tsarion. Hey, have you listened to or read any of Fritz Springmeier's stuff?

[clnmyjts]

Yeah..your right a person can`t follow just one guys thinking..That would be like becoming a cult member again...LOL Tsarion has some great stuff about the first 5 books of the bible having a direct connection to the torah. Maxwell has his theory & both guys ideologies together make a much big picture. I haven`t checked out Fritz Springmeier`s stuff..I will watch his video`s..

[Revolt1680]

I added a playlist and favorited a video from his stuff. He's still trapped in Christianity, but he has some real good points.

[clnmyjts]

He is bitter about the J.W. org. & he is still stuck in the deep rooted feelings of being decieved by a religious org.

Most people get mad & never get over it.

It took me a while to get over it. Yet, it wasn`t until I realized others have gone threw the same bitter feelings before they could move on with their lives. That is when I decided to help others see the light in a more positive up building way. We are special & I don`t want the brothers & sisters that leave the org. to forget that.