Hello! 'm from Brazil. I am trying to mount a cell but I am having difficulty level. between the plates is a blur of brown mass, and corrodes the plates between them, do not know where I am wrong can you help me (316 L stainless steel passivation) visionmachine@bol.com.br
Hello my friend, I live in Brazil, I can not speak English, I used the google translator to type in, wanted to assemble a kit for my car, it could pass the measure as plate thickness, width, length, thickness of the sealing or mounting diagram, be very grateful, hugs, Amauri Correa da Fonseca. Email: amauri12009@uol.com.br
My electrician tells me to be careful and use white vinegar in the bubbler to neutralize the hho from the lye going into the engine. Also mentioned that if I run the engine too lean it will tend to get hot and burn the valves??
on the little ones like the 21 plate 6"x6" format, 1 lpm to 3 lpm is typical ... have seen some folks push them to 5 lpm but that is driving them a bit harder than the design spec ...
the basic design of this device is very flexible ... it is possible to expand them for higher production if desired ... the larger 8" x 8" form factor device has been assembled with as many as 150 plates and has produced as much as 40 lpm ... I dont think we have seen the upper limit quite yet ...
I did 11 lpm with 76 plates at 150v and 13a. 40 lpm was done with 152 plates, 330v and 22a.
In terms of "real" production of HHO at room temperature, not heated gas and steam, the design is quite capable of an honest 5.5 to 6 mmw. So working backwards, 40 lpm takes about 7kw of energy in. 11 lpm takes about 2kw of energy in.
While not the most efficient or advanced design out there, it is rugged, reliable, flexible and quite productive. Its a marathon runner not a sprinter.
wowa! I havent experimented that much with higher voltage like that! the last time I used my two plate demo cell with 110v ac converted to dc with just a diode rectifyer, the neoprene washers instantly melted and was arcing at the connection and the metal lid! since then I havnet messed with anything over a normal automobile's voltage. what did you use to get that high of a voltage with such amps. and was there a problem with heat?
Same rules apply as with 12v. Manage volts per gap and have enough surface area for the amps. This keeps heat under control. I could do it with 12v but would take HUGE amps.
I use same custom built power supply with 120vAC or 240vAC input. Bridge rectifier rated 600v @ 50a. 4000uF capacitor rated for 440v. Very simple design.
Trick is to not exceed 1/4 watt per square inch of active surface area and try to keep volts per plate gap under 2.5v.
I use a very light solution of KOH in distilled water ... I start with 10 or 20 grams in 1 gallon then adjust until I get to the amps I want to run at ... 20 grams per gallon is my most common mix ... this seems to get right about 10 amps at 150v ... this is good for 6-8 lpm or so ... plenty to run my HHO torch or even a small engine ... its rare that I need more than this ...
There is nothing unusual about the process when using 150-300 volts DC. It works pretty much the same as using 12v. I just use less connection to the plate stack. With 76 plates, at 150v, I connect pos to one end, neg to the other and have 74 neutral plates between. So my average volts per plate gap is about 2v. Using rectified AC wall current is just more convenient for me and simplifies the electrical connections. Similar results can be obtained with a 12v system.
I have had good results using everything from 1/8 inch all the way down to 1/32 inch ... closer spacing lets you get away with a less strong electrolyte solution ... wider spacing will require a stronger solution ... most folks will find that the most practical is going to be somewhere between 1/16 inch and 3/32 inch ... I like 2 mm which is rigth about 3/32 ... but there are many opinions on this ...
Hello! 'm from Brazil. I am trying to mount a cell but I am having difficulty level. between the plates is a blur of brown mass, and corrodes the plates between them, do not know where I am wrong can you help me (316 L stainless steel passivation) visionmachine@bol.com.br
MrWagnerHenrique 7 months ago
Hello my friend, I live in Brazil, I can not speak English, I used the google translator to type in, wanted to assemble a kit for my car, it could pass the measure as plate thickness, width, length, thickness of the sealing or mounting diagram, be very grateful, hugs, Amauri Correa da Fonseca. Email: amauri12009@uol.com.br
fonsecaamauri 9 months ago
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altairdesouza 10 months ago
haha I thought it was a dry cell.
definitionofis 1 year ago
Sir: May I know where to buy the EBN Dry Cell and the address of your store and the price of different kits. I want to buy a kit. Thank you.
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michaelmruta 1 year ago
are the plates just stainless steel and thats it? and does it just produce hydrogen?
Dragoby 1 year ago
why can't I find your sight on the internet my email is dscharter@sympatico.ca
MrCrockett63 1 year ago
299 dollars for the kit and 350 assembled man who are they kidding?
anewlow23 2 years ago
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My electrician tells me to be careful and use white vinegar in the bubbler to neutralize the hho from the lye going into the engine. Also mentioned that if I run the engine too lean it will tend to get hot and burn the valves??
partwerks 2 years ago
Did you tap threads in the outer plexiglass plates and if so, is plexiglass easy to tap threads into?
partwerks 2 years ago
has anyone figured out how many miles you get before plates and gaskets need to be replaced? how about surgical steel? has anybody tested that ?
virginislandstv 2 years ago
what kind of hho output do you get on your cells normaly?
dbrannon79 3 years ago
on the little ones like the 21 plate 6"x6" format, 1 lpm to 3 lpm is typical ... have seen some folks push them to 5 lpm but that is driving them a bit harder than the design spec ...
the basic design of this device is very flexible ... it is possible to expand them for higher production if desired ... the larger 8" x 8" form factor device has been assembled with as many as 150 plates and has produced as much as 40 lpm ... I dont think we have seen the upper limit quite yet ...
ebninc 3 years ago
wow! I like the flexibility. what kind of voltage and amp draw does that pull for both 1lpm and the 40lpm?
dbrannon79 3 years ago
I did 11 lpm with 76 plates at 150v and 13a. 40 lpm was done with 152 plates, 330v and 22a.
In terms of "real" production of HHO at room temperature, not heated gas and steam, the design is quite capable of an honest 5.5 to 6 mmw. So working backwards, 40 lpm takes about 7kw of energy in. 11 lpm takes about 2kw of energy in.
While not the most efficient or advanced design out there, it is rugged, reliable, flexible and quite productive. Its a marathon runner not a sprinter.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
wowa! I havent experimented that much with higher voltage like that! the last time I used my two plate demo cell with 110v ac converted to dc with just a diode rectifyer, the neoprene washers instantly melted and was arcing at the connection and the metal lid! since then I havnet messed with anything over a normal automobile's voltage. what did you use to get that high of a voltage with such amps. and was there a problem with heat?
dbrannon79 3 years ago
Same rules apply as with 12v. Manage volts per gap and have enough surface area for the amps. This keeps heat under control. I could do it with 12v but would take HUGE amps.
I use same custom built power supply with 120vAC or 240vAC input. Bridge rectifier rated 600v @ 50a. 4000uF capacitor rated for 440v. Very simple design.
Trick is to not exceed 1/4 watt per square inch of active surface area and try to keep volts per plate gap under 2.5v.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
did you have to use any electrolyte solution, like NaOH. or just plain distilled water with the higher voltage?
dbrannon79 3 years ago
I use a very light solution of KOH in distilled water ... I start with 10 or 20 grams in 1 gallon then adjust until I get to the amps I want to run at ... 20 grams per gallon is my most common mix ... this seems to get right about 10 amps at 150v ... this is good for 6-8 lpm or so ... plenty to run my HHO torch or even a small engine ... its rare that I need more than this ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
There is nothing unusual about the process when using 150-300 volts DC. It works pretty much the same as using 12v. I just use less connection to the plate stack. With 76 plates, at 150v, I connect pos to one end, neg to the other and have 74 neutral plates between. So my average volts per plate gap is about 2v. Using rectified AC wall current is just more convenient for me and simplifies the electrical connections. Similar results can be obtained with a 12v system.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
What is the optimum distance between the plates for best gas production?
partwerks 3 years ago
I have had good results using everything from 1/8 inch all the way down to 1/32 inch ... closer spacing lets you get away with a less strong electrolyte solution ... wider spacing will require a stronger solution ... most folks will find that the most practical is going to be somewhere between 1/16 inch and 3/32 inch ... I like 2 mm which is rigth about 3/32 ... but there are many opinions on this ...
ebninc 3 years ago
good synchronising, very good
Sumermagor 3 years ago
where can I buy the pvc bolt sleeves?
thanks
livehho 3 years ago
use 3/16 heat shink wrap if you need something for 1/4in bolts ... works good, readily available and is cheap ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
What are the gaskets - 1/8 or 1/16?
Thanks!
wslybe 3 years ago
1/16 in 70 duro neoprene
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
what is the wight(kg) of the cell's?
vshart 3 years ago
I think the 6" 21 plate device comes in at about 11.5 lbs ... the 8" 36 plate device might be 30ish pounds ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
glad you pulled short straw on that one ssc, much nicer than anything I could do.
d3adp001 3 years ago