Love the tutorials, helps a lot. U should make more of them. Can you show us how to eat with chop sticks? You may want to extend the limit for the close-ups. Arigato ^^
its still sound chinese cos its "pin xiang" in chinese.
i was hoping like 青 means blue in japanese aoi but means green in chinese or 秋 in japanese is aki and chinese is qiu.like a diff pronounciation sort of thing.so frm what you said,this is NOTt considered as a japanese language cos any other languange will be given the katakana treatement so that it sounds similar/same to the original language.right?
right, katakana are used for foreign names, like citys in China.
青 means green AND blue. kyu could be the "chinese" pronounciation for the 秋 (aki)
Kanji in Japan. How you hopefully know, every Kanji in Japan has 2 kinds of pronounciation 1st.:kun-yomi (japanese;aki e.g.) and 2nd.: on-yomi (kind of chinese pronounciation; kyu).
I practice Kanji through multiple methods: new vocabulary, mnemonic and traditional. Works for me. Anyone know where we can buy heaps of these Kanji Renshu books?
Writing the pronunciation beside the kanji makes so much sense! Why didn't I think of that?? I just write the kanji over and over then forget how to read it (or I only remember the pronunciation for one word and not the rest). xP Thanks for this! :)
I'm sorry, but this is probably THE worst way an adult could learn kanji. It makes sense to learn them this way if you start very young, since you don't have any knowledge of concepts and such, but really, when you're older this is extremely inefficient.
There are many better ways do learn them, but I'd say the best is an SRS (Spaced Repetition System) in combination with James Heisig's book "Remembering the Kanji". You can easily learn up to 100 kanji a day this way(if you have the time).
@Muso992 Heisig is overrated. It's just a system of easy drills. Best thing about it is it helps with writing them out. You can get the same results if you just learn radicals and understand that Kanji are built up from them.
@cckchang I would have to disagree. Two things Heisig's method has over that: The order in which the Kanji are presented creates a learning curve. The mnemonic system makes them extremely easy to remember and even difficult to forget.
@Muso992 The oldest argument against Heisig is that you only learn the English meaning. I understand that they are learnt through context. I am sure that learning only the meaning is good but it's not actually a kanji learnt. It's like a quarter of the way there. If you completed Heisig then how would you know what 沢山 means? With that I feel that it really is just as fast to learn it traditionally as it is to learn through Heisig and I've done Heisig.
@cckchang Wait, before I discuss this any further I think I need to educate myself: how long, on average, does it take one to learn the Jouyou Kanji using traditional methods? For someone starting later in life who is not a Japanese native, I mean.
@Muso992 Some have been known to complete it in a matter of months not so dissimilar to Heisig's results. My belief is that they are the people who aren't scared of having to learn Kanji and that Heisig's method removes the Kanji fear, something else it does really well.
@cckchang Well, I was looking for a more of a consensus than an exception. Some have been known to complete RTK in ~ 2 weeks, but it generally takes a couple months. Learning the readings and supplementary meanings doesn't take that long afterward.
Just for the record, the English meaning is not supposed to, and doesn't, stick as you continue learning. It is just there to give the image and writing of the Kanji something to easily latch onto.
@cckchang Also, "the oldest argument against heisig" you mentioned is actually pretty funny as it conveniently leaves out the entire mission of the book: learning the stroke order, and remembering it, almost effortlessly and gaining an intimate familiarity with each of the Kanji. As you progress the English keyword slips away entirely. I think I mentioned that in my last comment...
@Muso992 Doesn't mean that Heisig's mission is better than any other mission. Heisig works but it's not the only way and it's not the best way either. There probably is no best way. Heisig is one of various strategies to learn the Joyo list.
You can even more 'intimate', with Kanji by reading manga/novels/newspaper/etc anyway. You'll see everything a lot more frequently there than in your SRS.
@cckchang I think you misunderstood my meaning of intimate. When you create an extremely personal and vivid image/story for every Kanji, you know each one intimately. You can read manga/novels/newspapers on top of that; I don't know why you're making them and Heisig's books mutually exclusive. The SRS is only there to remind you of the ones you will rarely see.
Heisig's methods may not be for everyone, but when there is a faster way to learn Kanji and have them REALLY stick I'll be all over it.
@Muso992 And you made a mnemonic story that good for every single kanji in that book? No you can't read manga/novels/newspapers after Heisig. You need to study grammar for that or listen to 5000 hours of spoken Japanese and learn it from overexposure. You can understand the meaning in an article but you can't read it. If you could then Chinese literate people will be reading Japanese novels and proclaiming it a good read. If the SRS is reminding you of rarely seen kanji then it's of no use.
@cckchang Well, my stories weren't all amazing, but I didn't forget any of them. The point I was making wasn't that you will know every single Kanji with the same level of intimacy, rather that you will collectively know them more intimately than if you just write them out over and over. I don't know why you're criticizing Heisig's method as if one would use it exclusively to become literate in Japanese... It is just there to learn the learn the Kanji. That's it.
@Muso992 Because if you know a lot of kanji already back-front/ then learning new kanji is easy. Write it down 6 times and you remember it. Just like when I learn a new English word, I will remember it and if it's a new English word and I'm a native speaker then it must be rare. In my belief, Heisig book 3 is not worth it and the Joyo list is the joyo list because all of them are frequent so there is no reason for them to be rare like that.
if you hear english while learning japanese does that make it harder??? and if you dont speak englishfor a long time and you only concentrate on japanese, then you learn japanese and stop speaking it for a while , do you forget the japanese???? (0_0)
duh, and actually, once the Japanese learn kanji,they find it easier to read kanji.and most of the kanjis that have more different kanjis but with the same way of saying as that one, have different meanings. And the if they didn't use kanji, then it would be hard to read hiragana because you will get mixed up between words, because they don't have spaces between them, so it would end up looking like this if that were the same with English. EXAMPLE: "humblepeopledonotlie" See???!!!
uuuuuum.. isn't it obvious? she can speak, understand by hearing, and write Japanese. The Japanese people would be "wow"- ing over the Americans being able to write the alphabet so quickly...
japanese kanji is hard because there are like 4 3 differnet ways of reading one kanji
like the ones she rote there 水 miszu 海水 and in there you read it as sui . even easy ones like 上 you read it as. a ge, ue, jyo,aga ,uwa. so it takes time .
Kind of stupid question, but if you write in Japanese and in English, are the writing speeds comparable? Those Kanji look so complex, that I don't think that you can write it as fast as the latin alphabet (especially cursive).
Lol I bought a similar booklet with all those squares and used it to write Japanese diary, I didn't know it was supposed to be used to practice kanji lol.
I had a the same kind of workbook but for chinese ! so I don't have to do it again for japanese because I learnt kanji from Taiwan (traditionnal) ! That's great ! I don't have any problem with kanjis !
Love the tutorials, helps a lot. U should make more of them. Can you show us how to eat with chop sticks? You may want to extend the limit for the close-ups. Arigato ^^
TokyoDriftV12 2 months ago in playlist Japanese Language 【日本語】
@TokyoDriftV12 That's sum-thing you shod be able to figure it out!
nihongoguitar 1 week ago
@nihongoguitar ok thats mean. I cannot use 'em. It would be nice if I knew instead of figuring it out. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR A TUTORIAL!
TokyoDriftV12 4 days ago
@TokyoDriftV12 Here^^
ehow.com/how_3261_chopsticks.html
nihongoguitar 2 days ago
@TokyoDriftV12 And i don't mean to be mean>0<
nihongoguitar 2 days ago
Is this only in japan? because i was gonna go to a store and buy a kanji book to practice kanji.
maneatingbanana 5 months ago
kanji got anyword like this?-->萍
RonLarhz 9 months ago
@RonLarhz
it´s the name for a town in west China.
copy and paste it at "wadoku.de"
303v 8 months ago
@303v
er...i mean in japanese anyword like this?if yes wat is the romaji?
RonLarhz 8 months ago
@RonLarhz
萍 with 郷 together is read: pinshian ->Pingxian
Japanese call this town "pinshian" (which is probably the right pronounciation)
303v 8 months ago
@303v
its still sound chinese cos its "pin xiang" in chinese.
i was hoping like 青 means blue in japanese aoi but means green in chinese or 秋 in japanese is aki and chinese is qiu.like a diff pronounciation sort of thing.so frm what you said,this is NOTt considered as a japanese language cos any other languange will be given the katakana treatement so that it sounds similar/same to the original language.right?
RonLarhz 8 months ago
@RonLarhz
right, katakana are used for foreign names, like citys in China.
青 means green AND blue. kyu could be the "chinese" pronounciation for the 秋 (aki)
Kanji in Japan. How you hopefully know, every Kanji in Japan has 2 kinds of pronounciation 1st.:kun-yomi (japanese;aki e.g.) and 2nd.: on-yomi (kind of chinese pronounciation; kyu).
303v 8 months ago
I practice Kanji through multiple methods: new vocabulary, mnemonic and traditional. Works for me. Anyone know where we can buy heaps of these Kanji Renshu books?
BenzorChan 9 months ago
@BenzorChan At jbox.com for example.
CalleLid 9 months ago
Writing the pronunciation beside the kanji makes so much sense! Why didn't I think of that?? I just write the kanji over and over then forget how to read it (or I only remember the pronunciation for one word and not the rest). xP Thanks for this! :)
standabovethecrowd 9 months ago
I'm sorry, but this is probably THE worst way an adult could learn kanji. It makes sense to learn them this way if you start very young, since you don't have any knowledge of concepts and such, but really, when you're older this is extremely inefficient.
There are many better ways do learn them, but I'd say the best is an SRS (Spaced Repetition System) in combination with James Heisig's book "Remembering the Kanji". You can easily learn up to 100 kanji a day this way(if you have the time).
Muso992 1 year ago
@Muso992 Heisig is overrated. It's just a system of easy drills. Best thing about it is it helps with writing them out. You can get the same results if you just learn radicals and understand that Kanji are built up from them.
cckchang 9 months ago
@cckchang I would have to disagree. Two things Heisig's method has over that: The order in which the Kanji are presented creates a learning curve. The mnemonic system makes them extremely easy to remember and even difficult to forget.
Muso992 9 months ago
@Muso992 The oldest argument against Heisig is that you only learn the English meaning. I understand that they are learnt through context. I am sure that learning only the meaning is good but it's not actually a kanji learnt. It's like a quarter of the way there. If you completed Heisig then how would you know what 沢山 means? With that I feel that it really is just as fast to learn it traditionally as it is to learn through Heisig and I've done Heisig.
cckchang 9 months ago
@cckchang Wait, before I discuss this any further I think I need to educate myself: how long, on average, does it take one to learn the Jouyou Kanji using traditional methods? For someone starting later in life who is not a Japanese native, I mean.
Muso992 9 months ago
@Muso992 Some have been known to complete it in a matter of months not so dissimilar to Heisig's results. My belief is that they are the people who aren't scared of having to learn Kanji and that Heisig's method removes the Kanji fear, something else it does really well.
cckchang 9 months ago
@cckchang Well, I was looking for a more of a consensus than an exception. Some have been known to complete RTK in ~ 2 weeks, but it generally takes a couple months. Learning the readings and supplementary meanings doesn't take that long afterward.
Just for the record, the English meaning is not supposed to, and doesn't, stick as you continue learning. It is just there to give the image and writing of the Kanji something to easily latch onto.
Muso992 9 months ago
@cckchang Also, "the oldest argument against heisig" you mentioned is actually pretty funny as it conveniently leaves out the entire mission of the book: learning the stroke order, and remembering it, almost effortlessly and gaining an intimate familiarity with each of the Kanji. As you progress the English keyword slips away entirely. I think I mentioned that in my last comment...
Muso992 9 months ago
@Muso992 Doesn't mean that Heisig's mission is better than any other mission. Heisig works but it's not the only way and it's not the best way either. There probably is no best way. Heisig is one of various strategies to learn the Joyo list.
You can even more 'intimate', with Kanji by reading manga/novels/newspaper/etc anyway. You'll see everything a lot more frequently there than in your SRS.
cckchang 9 months ago
@cckchang I think you misunderstood my meaning of intimate. When you create an extremely personal and vivid image/story for every Kanji, you know each one intimately. You can read manga/novels/newspapers on top of that; I don't know why you're making them and Heisig's books mutually exclusive. The SRS is only there to remind you of the ones you will rarely see.
Heisig's methods may not be for everyone, but when there is a faster way to learn Kanji and have them REALLY stick I'll be all over it.
Muso992 9 months ago
@Muso992 And you made a mnemonic story that good for every single kanji in that book? No you can't read manga/novels/newspapers after Heisig. You need to study grammar for that or listen to 5000 hours of spoken Japanese and learn it from overexposure. You can understand the meaning in an article but you can't read it. If you could then Chinese literate people will be reading Japanese novels and proclaiming it a good read. If the SRS is reminding you of rarely seen kanji then it's of no use.
cckchang 9 months ago
@cckchang Well, my stories weren't all amazing, but I didn't forget any of them. The point I was making wasn't that you will know every single Kanji with the same level of intimacy, rather that you will collectively know them more intimately than if you just write them out over and over. I don't know why you're criticizing Heisig's method as if one would use it exclusively to become literate in Japanese... It is just there to learn the learn the Kanji. That's it.
Muso992 9 months ago
@cckchang Also, why does the SRS reminding you of rarely seen Kanji make is useless?
Muso992 9 months ago
@Muso992 Because if you know a lot of kanji already back-front/ then learning new kanji is easy. Write it down 6 times and you remember it. Just like when I learn a new English word, I will remember it and if it's a new English word and I'm a native speaker then it must be rare. In my belief, Heisig book 3 is not worth it and the Joyo list is the joyo list because all of them are frequent so there is no reason for them to be rare like that.
cckchang 9 months ago
very nice :) i appreciated that.handy little book
SirenoftheVoid 1 year ago
Can one find these online?
LilAriesCece 1 year ago
@LilAriesCece Go to J-Box online and go to study & traditional. :)
Horseradishaxolotl 1 year ago
do you you a website to study or print kanji practice sheets?
TheSmilingRedApples 1 year ago
cool were can i get one or3lol tk ..... in the usa
rsilvia1999 1 year ago
if you hear english while learning japanese does that make it harder??? and if you dont speak englishfor a long time and you only concentrate on japanese, then you learn japanese and stop speaking it for a while , do you forget the japanese???? (0_0)
TulsaIzMiiHood 1 year ago
would be easier if they only use hiragana xDI heard that even japanese dont know how to read all kanjis xD
eviljac 1 year ago
duh, and actually, once the Japanese learn kanji,they find it easier to read kanji.and most of the kanjis that have more different kanjis but with the same way of saying as that one, have different meanings. And the if they didn't use kanji, then it would be hard to read hiragana because you will get mixed up between words, because they don't have spaces between them, so it would end up looking like this if that were the same with English. EXAMPLE: "humblepeopledonotlie" See???!!!
sasakikenneth 1 year ago
1:27 WTF?? she's writing so fast!! Fast AND freakishly neat! :o
XxrElEAsEmExX 1 year ago
uuuuuum.. isn't it obvious? she can speak, understand by hearing, and write Japanese. The Japanese people would be "wow"- ing over the Americans being able to write the alphabet so quickly...
sasakikenneth 1 year ago
japanese kanji is hard because there are like 4 3 differnet ways of reading one kanji
like the ones she rote there 水 miszu 海水 and in there you read it as sui . even easy ones like 上 you read it as. a ge, ue, jyo,aga ,uwa. so it takes time .
but chines is even harder.
azda09 1 year ago
Kind of stupid question, but if you write in Japanese and in English, are the writing speeds comparable? Those Kanji look so complex, that I don't think that you can write it as fast as the latin alphabet (especially cursive).
AndreR241 1 year ago
I wish I could write Kanji ;_; I'm still working on my Katakana.
mikeq5 1 year ago
Thanks Hiroko for sharing that...the japanese language is definitely a challenge but I'm willing to put in the effort. =)
PussyCatDoll14 2 years ago
i heard they give 50.000 kanji but u only have to learn 1950
thetruth4live 2 years ago 2
I'm sure that's alot more fun than learning english spelling in america. :p
漢字が大好き！！
akamarutv 2 years ago
Lol I bought a similar booklet with all those squares and used it to write Japanese diary, I didn't know it was supposed to be used to practice kanji lol.
keyinregulus3 2 years ago
Do you learn Kanji after you learn Hiragana then?
HoshiHikari 2 years ago
I had a the same kind of workbook but for chinese ! so I don't have to do it again for japanese because I learnt kanji from Taiwan (traditionnal) ! That's great ! I don't have any problem with kanjis !
loki2504 2 years ago
!!ha ha
Like Chinese a little
liangm 2 years ago
そうですか。夏の宿題でしたか。知りませんでした。その動画は本当に面白かった。ありがとうございます。
borugani 2 years ago
5 stars
SuperRoyalKnight 2 years ago
VERY INTERESTING VIDEO!THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THIS TO US!YOU ARE THE BEST HIROKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS CHANNEL IS TOTALLY AWESOME!you rule!
SuperRoyalKnight 2 years ago
btw, what is it called again? kanji densu?
whipwhip 2 years ago
Kanji Renshu
HIROKOCHANNEL 2 years ago 2
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meisu88 7 months ago
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@HIROKOCHANNEL and renshu means "practice" in English, I believe.
meisu88 7 months ago
Oh my God.. I think I'll be using that too soon.. in learning Kanji.. Thanks Hiroko..
whipwhip 2 years ago