Nintendo needs to stop only caring about innovation. Sure, some games on Wii look pretty sweet, as did games on Gamecube, and N64. They will even look great on Wii U, but they're always so far behind on graphical fidelity, and it takes you out of the experience a bit. Making the Wii U ship with 5 year old hardware is not a good idea. Just like using upgraded PS2 graphics for the Wii wasn't either. (I don't play games for Graphics)
@CheIseaSmiIe A solid art direction is more important than graphics and if you say you don't play games for graphics then why are you even complaining about graphical fidelity in the first place.
@greatemperorsteve I don't personaly, but Nintendo is always mocked and ignored by people for their lack of graphical performance and hardcore games. They've been fading and I think making their consoles able to run games that the Xbox/PS3 can would help them substantially. Even just giving it HD would stop some of the problems, but by the time Wii U is out, it will again, be way outdated.
@CheIseaSmiIe They haven't been fading in the least. Both their hardware and software dominate the sales charts. What those people say is what you should not care about.
I totally agree! Remember that Twilight Princess was released for both gamecube and wii so, i'd understand why the motion controller wasn't that great.
@mkocja5a Wind Waker's my favorite of all the Zelda games, and for most of the game the sailing is great. It's that ending scavenger hunt that gets really tedious.
The concept of this show is cool. But i think you reviews are too good for there to spark up any really interesting arguments.. everyone seems to agree with you for the most part
I love the graphics and art style. For me it was never something that I had to learn to tolerate. I don't need all my games to look like Uncharted or COD. There's just something exuberantly juvenile about the graphics that captures the essence of the Lgend of Zelda games, which to me is about discovery, exploration, and childhood fantasies come to life. There's just an innocence to the graphics that help evoke these feelings, and I believe this would have been lost with a realistic HD look.
@anomaluigi I'm not looking for "realistic." I think people assume when I'm asking for HD, that's what I'm asking for. I think they just overtaxed the hardware they had and the painting effect just wasn't a great way to cover it up. I still think Wind Waker is an amazing looking game. I just don't think this one will age as well.
@anomaluigi it can be maintain and be hd, hd, has nothing to do with the art or style, its a resolution, when you play it on a 70 inch tv or even 50, it really show ugly pixel, wich dont add anything to the game, it substract, it a fucking awsome game, but the hd thing suck, i dont get why nintendo didnt see that coming
@MrGrave111 We've actually had two people from IGN on so far! Ryan Clements from Podcast Beyond was on to review body count with me, and Walter Lopez was on to talk about Battlefield 3 - and we've got some more coming soon.
@F0olishoverlord Thanks! The show's still pretty new - we could use everyone's help: just subscribe, favorite, and tell anyone you think might be interested!
i love this game but it really is let down by the wii. the motion controls get annoying quick and calibrating alot takes you out of the game. the art style is cool the graphics are really poor and has a block mesh background. you cant move the camera around. the lack of npc's really make the world feel small. its dated i love it but only the dungeons. //rant over
:O do i see you still have indie in your blood :P i need to get that shirt now haha...btw idea:edmund mcmillen needs to be on the show and you need to review his game cunt. why am i so smart?
Why are reviewers still so split between calling this game perfection and mediocrity!? I've finished it now, and I call it a masterpiece. Still cant understand the criticism. And its only like 4 reviewers out of the 27 massively decreasing the Metacritic score. Meh.
@suckit69er I had a lot of fun with it and grew to love it - at no point did I say "This game is mediocre." But I'm not going to call it perfect, because it just wasn't.
@newchallenger Its the direct split of opinions I care about. There must be a reason for it. Either half the people are reviewing it with rose tinted shades or half are tired of the formula. I like nice decisive reviews, I'm not saying everyone should have the same opinion but for GS to give it a 7.5 and IGN to give it 10 can really confuse the audience. Reviews are there to help you know if a game is good or bad so its expected. Your review however was very good, I was just making a point.
@suckit69er Instead of thinking that something as subjective as whether a game is "good" can be reduced to a universal mathematical formula, why don't you find two or three reviewers whose *opinions* you respect or agree with, and read/listen/watch their whole reviews.
Video games are the only medium where fans obsess over meaningless number ratings to this insane degree. Do you think people who liked Transformers: Dark of the Moon give a crap that it only has 42 on Metacritic?
Its the direct split of opinions I care about. There must be a reason for it. Either half the people are reviewing it with rose tinted shades or half are tired of the formula. I like nice decisive reviews, I'm not saying everyone should have the same opinion but for GS to give it a 7.5 and IGN to give it 10 can really confuse the audience. Reviews are there to help you know if a game is good or bad so its expected from them as professionals.
doesn't style beat graphics? you guys seem like graphic whores because you deducted points for not HD graphics. would you do the same 4 mario 3D or windwaker?
@evilkaz200 Wind Waker's style 100% works. I can still go back and look at Wind Waker now and say "Man, this is a good looking game." The art direction here is mixed - I really loved the look, but I disliked the effects they smeared all over it. The paint effect is very, very hit and miss.
If you're going to create an effect to overcome the shortcomings of your hardware, it better be consistent. This just wasn't. Sometimes it looks really amazing - and sometimes it was just plain ugly.
I think it's that most people have become so accustomed to HD visuals that anything that does not have that realistic HD look is automatically seen as inferior. For me, I think the graphics and art style fit the spirit of the game perfectly well. People who complain and pine over the HD treatment for The Legend of Zelda games don't really know what TLOZ is all about. To them I say, "Just stick to playing other mature titles on your PS3 or 360 and let Zelda be-it's perfect just the way it is."
I loved / looked forward to the beautiful rooms beyond the dungeons, but it was kinda sad seeing that the 'beautiful room reward' was only true of the first 3 dungeons. Did anyone else get that?
@acarboni yeah but you said it can only be played with the DS connection you can play it with the Gamecube controller and control the 4 links simultaneously.
@PKDeviluke25 Nope. Listen again. I mention the Gamecube version, how it had Game Boy Advance connectivity, and then I say that there's a newer one for the DS.
It's always nice to get a thursday episode on a THURSDAY [/timezones]. Nice review. I would have liked Kevin to have played a bit more of SS though because I'm interested in what he could have been able to comment on.
OnLive is such bullshit.
TheboyPaj 2 days ago
I will download oink when I have unlimited free time and can never die
JennaHaze2000 1 month ago
If you want to see what he probably meant by HD, look up "skyward sword dolphin" on YouTube, see what SS looks like in HD, it's freaking amazing.
cdkee3010 1 month ago
Yo, what is your name on OnLive if you have an account on there?
MortonJ101 1 month ago
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Fuking geek
powerstone212 1 month ago
@powerstone212 Well, yeah. It's a video game review show. You might've set yourself up for disappointment here. :)
newchallenger 1 month ago 8
Nintendo needs to stop only caring about innovation. Sure, some games on Wii look pretty sweet, as did games on Gamecube, and N64. They will even look great on Wii U, but they're always so far behind on graphical fidelity, and it takes you out of the experience a bit. Making the Wii U ship with 5 year old hardware is not a good idea. Just like using upgraded PS2 graphics for the Wii wasn't either. (I don't play games for Graphics)
CheIseaSmiIe 2 months ago
@CheIseaSmiIe A solid art direction is more important than graphics and if you say you don't play games for graphics then why are you even complaining about graphical fidelity in the first place.
greatemperorsteve 1 month ago
@greatemperorsteve I don't personaly, but Nintendo is always mocked and ignored by people for their lack of graphical performance and hardcore games. They've been fading and I think making their consoles able to run games that the Xbox/PS3 can would help them substantially. Even just giving it HD would stop some of the problems, but by the time Wii U is out, it will again, be way outdated.
CheIseaSmiIe 1 month ago
@CheIseaSmiIe They haven't been fading in the least. Both their hardware and software dominate the sales charts. What those people say is what you should not care about.
greatemperorsteve 1 month ago
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CheIseaSmiIe 2 months ago
i know for a fact i will like it from the start even if the graphics arent beast
SH3LLHeAD 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Onlive sucks, I'm sorry, but damn.
kamo69 2 months ago
I totally agree! Remember that Twilight Princess was released for both gamecube and wii so, i'd understand why the motion controller wasn't that great.
DigiChan 2 months ago
Why does nobody remember four swords adventures? that game was awesome.
KumaBearTime 2 months ago
@KumaBearTime I loved that one XD
DigiChan 2 months ago
wind waker's sailing wasn't tedious :( where's your sense of adventure?
mkocja5a 2 months ago
@mkocja5a Wind Waker's my favorite of all the Zelda games, and for most of the game the sailing is great. It's that ending scavenger hunt that gets really tedious.
newchallenger 2 months ago 5
@newchallenger kind'a true i guess XD
mkocja5a 2 months ago
@newchallenger completely agreed, tedious just like tadtones or the second imprisoned fight
FalconPunch256 2 months ago
@FalconPunch256 The imprisoned fight was tedious?
Argorox 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@mkocja5a Wind waker is like my favorite out of all the games! It was kinda tedious but fun in a way it doesn't seem like it.
DigiChan 2 months ago
The concept of this show is cool. But i think you reviews are too good for there to spark up any really interesting arguments.. everyone seems to agree with you for the most part
DeliciousDonut 2 months ago
This must be the most honest review from this game
GeneralTantzu 2 months ago
I love the graphics and art style. For me it was never something that I had to learn to tolerate. I don't need all my games to look like Uncharted or COD. There's just something exuberantly juvenile about the graphics that captures the essence of the Lgend of Zelda games, which to me is about discovery, exploration, and childhood fantasies come to life. There's just an innocence to the graphics that help evoke these feelings, and I believe this would have been lost with a realistic HD look.
anomaluigi 2 months ago 3
@anomaluigi I'm not looking for "realistic." I think people assume when I'm asking for HD, that's what I'm asking for. I think they just overtaxed the hardware they had and the painting effect just wasn't a great way to cover it up. I still think Wind Waker is an amazing looking game. I just don't think this one will age as well.
newchallenger 2 months ago
@anomaluigi it can be maintain and be hd, hd, has nothing to do with the art or style, its a resolution, when you play it on a 70 inch tv or even 50, it really show ugly pixel, wich dont add anything to the game, it substract, it a fucking awsome game, but the hd thing suck, i dont get why nintendo didnt see that coming
lapmarty 1 month ago
subbed, great show.
Shiftaws 2 months ago
@Shiftaws Thanks!
newchallenger 2 months ago
"Hell yea im link right now" :)!
CRlSTO 3 months ago
you should invite someone from IGN
MrGrave111 3 months ago
@MrGrave111 We've actually had two people from IGN on so far! Ryan Clements from Podcast Beyond was on to review body count with me, and Walter Lopez was on to talk about Battlefield 3 - and we've got some more coming soon.
newchallenger 3 months ago
@newchallenger great
MrGrave111 3 months ago
your next guest should be angryjoe like if you agree =D
Rorschach9001 3 months ago in playlist More videos from newchallenger
I don;t understand why this show doesn't get more views on here...I hope there are a lot of podcast subscriptions also....
F0olishoverlord 3 months ago
@F0olishoverlord Thanks! The show's still pretty new - we could use everyone's help: just subscribe, favorite, and tell anyone you think might be interested!
newchallenger 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I would like a review from a 13 old boy who has not play none of the zelda games
bukrouski 3 months ago
Hey Anthony, buy me a Wii. I want to play. Thanks.
Dustrick 3 months ago
i love this game but it really is let down by the wii. the motion controls get annoying quick and calibrating alot takes you out of the game. the art style is cool the graphics are really poor and has a block mesh background. you cant move the camera around. the lack of npc's really make the world feel small. its dated i love it but only the dungeons. //rant over
hoptop77 3 months ago
:O do i see you still have indie in your blood :P i need to get that shirt now haha...btw idea:edmund mcmillen needs to be on the show and you need to review his game cunt. why am i so smart?
darkinertia2 3 months ago
@darkinertia2 I'd love to have Ed on the show!
newchallenger 3 months ago 2
@newchallenger I'd love to see developers reviewing your review of another developer's game every once in a while :)
rayteoactive 3 months ago
Why are reviewers still so split between calling this game perfection and mediocrity!? I've finished it now, and I call it a masterpiece. Still cant understand the criticism. And its only like 4 reviewers out of the 27 massively decreasing the Metacritic score. Meh.
suckit69er 3 months ago
@suckit69er I had a lot of fun with it and grew to love it - at no point did I say "This game is mediocre." But I'm not going to call it perfect, because it just wasn't.
Also: stop caring about Metacritic scores.
newchallenger 3 months ago 6
@newchallenger Its the direct split of opinions I care about. There must be a reason for it. Either half the people are reviewing it with rose tinted shades or half are tired of the formula. I like nice decisive reviews, I'm not saying everyone should have the same opinion but for GS to give it a 7.5 and IGN to give it 10 can really confuse the audience. Reviews are there to help you know if a game is good or bad so its expected. Your review however was very good, I was just making a point.
suckit69er 3 months ago
@suckit69er Instead of thinking that something as subjective as whether a game is "good" can be reduced to a universal mathematical formula, why don't you find two or three reviewers whose *opinions* you respect or agree with, and read/listen/watch their whole reviews.
Video games are the only medium where fans obsess over meaningless number ratings to this insane degree. Do you think people who liked Transformers: Dark of the Moon give a crap that it only has 42 on Metacritic?
falseprophecy 3 months ago 2
Its the direct split of opinions I care about. There must be a reason for it. Either half the people are reviewing it with rose tinted shades or half are tired of the formula. I like nice decisive reviews, I'm not saying everyone should have the same opinion but for GS to give it a 7.5 and IGN to give it 10 can really confuse the audience. Reviews are there to help you know if a game is good or bad so its expected from them as professionals.
suckit69er 3 months ago
@falseprophecy This.
newchallenger 3 months ago
@suckit69er honestly i think because of the controls, it a one of the best but i think it would have been perfect without the motion plus
nard06 3 months ago
doesn't style beat graphics? you guys seem like graphic whores because you deducted points for not HD graphics. would you do the same 4 mario 3D or windwaker?
evilkaz200 3 months ago
@evilkaz200 Wind Waker's style 100% works. I can still go back and look at Wind Waker now and say "Man, this is a good looking game." The art direction here is mixed - I really loved the look, but I disliked the effects they smeared all over it. The paint effect is very, very hit and miss.
If you're going to create an effect to overcome the shortcomings of your hardware, it better be consistent. This just wasn't. Sometimes it looks really amazing - and sometimes it was just plain ugly.
newchallenger 3 months ago
I think it's that most people have become so accustomed to HD visuals that anything that does not have that realistic HD look is automatically seen as inferior. For me, I think the graphics and art style fit the spirit of the game perfectly well. People who complain and pine over the HD treatment for The Legend of Zelda games don't really know what TLOZ is all about. To them I say, "Just stick to playing other mature titles on your PS3 or 360 and let Zelda be-it's perfect just the way it is."
anomaluigi 2 months ago
Its called a tunic, not a "green suit"!
Jettblackmatt 3 months ago
I loved / looked forward to the beautiful rooms beyond the dungeons, but it was kinda sad seeing that the 'beautiful room reward' was only true of the first 3 dungeons. Did anyone else get that?
itsMapleTV 3 months ago
He can play Four Sword adventures for the Gamecube which doesnt require the DS connection
PKDeviluke25 3 months ago
@PKDeviluke25 Yeah, I mention the Gamecube one. :)
acarboni 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@acarboni yeah but you said it can only be played with the DS connection you can play it with the Gamecube controller and control the 4 links simultaneously.
PKDeviluke25 3 months ago
@PKDeviluke25 Nope. Listen again. I mention the Gamecube version, how it had Game Boy Advance connectivity, and then I say that there's a newer one for the DS.
acarboni 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@acarboni BUT THE CONTROLLER AND THE SINGLE PLAYAAAAAAAR!
PKDeviluke25 3 months ago
It's always nice to get a thursday episode on a THURSDAY [/timezones]. Nice review. I would have liked Kevin to have played a bit more of SS though because I'm interested in what he could have been able to comment on.
itsMapleTV 3 months ago
Happy Thanksgiving Bro, another great review.
cruzdt 3 months ago
@cruzdt Thanks! You too!
newchallenger 3 months ago
Earlier then usual, I love it!!!
samuraiyao 3 months ago
Great review. I didn't know if I was more happy to see you reviewing Skyward Sword or having Kevin Rose on the show.
KiddKoopa19 3 months ago
Its a binding of isaac tshirt! :D That game is soo awesome.
BoykinMusic 3 months ago 16
Whoa hey a Wednesday episode of New Challenger? It's like Christmas came on Thanksgiving! And Thanksgiving came early.
ThoresZ 3 months ago 11
Sweet Shirt!!!! first
TheWideWorldofUTube 3 months ago