Do you believe in death ? it is uncertain no matter what health and safety you priorities ..when you have to die no one can save you except Allah the Lord of teh Worlds
@ Monkeybonk, I agree with you totally, 167 men died and no one, was charged, Armand Hammer and Occidental should have been made to admit negligence and the families should have been recompensed
it only makes sense the structure the US Navy uses in operating their engineering plants , The US Navy would never have a cluster of poor operating procedures like this ,,, I am glad I was Engineering Officer of the Watch aboard a US Navy ship ,, took 3 years of training and studying to get that qualification , but it was worth it
i have spent seven years in north sea and have spent some time on old rigs in the northern sector which are in a horrible state . These rigs are not fit to be in a production state and to be honest it is just luck and experience that are allowing them to operate and not kill people. i am glad i dont have to do that for a living anymore
@lotanerve: Actually process plant incidents and industrial disasters are a much more common occurrence in China. Thousands have died in recent years becasue of poor industrial safety management in China and in India.
i was an 18 year old deckhand working on the standby safety vessel silver pit when this tragic disaster took the lives of so many people, sadly it took such an incident to improve the safety for all offshore workers
My Father did some work on this Rig, he was deeply affected by the disaster...I remember him telling us kids over breakfast that the Oil companies were ruthless. I do not think for one minute that the oil company wanted to see its workers dead...that would interrupt production! Sadly they also put little thought into ongoing safety which as we now all know help efficient production and increased revenue. RIP Piper Alfa...or rather the good honest working men who went with her.
unfortunately as long as profit is put before safety the precautions required to prevent accidents like this are rarely implemented by those responsible for managing such large scale and profit operations. and it is the usually the lowest paid and most highly skilled workers on the ground who suffer the consequences. usually the only reason things are changed is because of public, governmental or regulatory bodies pressure on such operations. workers are cheap. changes are expensive
Here's what gets me about this. The entire incident was just a series of mistakes, starting from minor ones at the bottom all the way up to major, major ones at the top. Yet because they can point the finger at one guy and say 'you signed that which was wrong', they can get away with criminally negligent rig design that caused the explosion. Those people should've been thrown in jail for 167 counts of negligent manslaughter.
@Monkeybonk - Cannot agree more! As a process safety professional....I am really concerned by non-tech people being let into important SHE positions in process industry.
The problems started at the top with the managers, causing the workers to make sloppy errors. The workers weren't blamed, management and the regulatory bodies were.
Its truely sad it takes major loss of lives to improve safety policies in any industry! Why is it we always learn the hard way. As an offshore worker, i hope never to hear of such tragedies happening again in the North Sea. Peace be with those who lost there lives that day.
Safety must be their top priority.. even if they delay the oil production due to the 2 to 3 days of restarting the rig, they must shut down immediately.. i feel so lonely about them..
Just learned about this accident, one thing if i were working on an oil rig and a fire broke out. I would work my down to the water as fast as possible, jump if i had to, just seems most logical :/
HSE / CCPS say LOTO failure data is once in hundred years. Given the consequences, more independent protection layers are required. Especially for offshore operations since risk to both people and environment is very high (equivalent to catastrophic societal risk / many MATTEs)
The root cause of the disaster is obvious - a poor Permit To Work system. Nowadays, a permit is a legal document and you sign it when surrendering to confirm that a) the job is done b) the area is safe and c) there are NO exceptions (such as a pressure relief valve not refitted). A robust sytem of releasing plant for maintenance and returning plant to service would have avoided this accident and was a lesson to all industries. Well done HSE - enforcing this has saved countless lives since Piper
That video was hard to watch it makes me extremely angry. My dad was one of the Americans killed on Piper Alpha. Growing up with out him and having to explain how he was killed was hard. No one ever knew what I was talking about When I mentioned the Piper Alpha Disaster. I only knew how bad it was because of old newspaper clipping my mom saved,stories that were told and then eventually the internet. Thanks again for posting the videos
My heart goes out to all the guys who perished in the needless disaster on Piper Alfa..Rest in peace to all those who perished on that awful day..The legacy of many guys lost will not be forgotten!! PEACE!
Sorry to hear of your dad FEB1019..I had a very good friend (Derek Samson, 'Sinbad') who died a couple of years back..He lost many of his friends during the Piper Alfa disaster & was hugely affected by the whole sorry episode..I thought the world of Derek..He was such a great guy! I still miss him. He was a radio operator on rigs, ships etc, during the 80's, early 90's. He retired to a life of gardening & bringing up his youngest daughter.(& boozing too much in my opinion) RIP Derek, a great m8!
Im so sorry about your father FEB1019. I`ve been working on riggs and platforms for nearly 15 years now, and still people are having a hard time reporting accidents to the main operating companies or to the gouverment . Its a big shame!
I`ve been told several times theres been made 3 different films/documentaries of the Piper Alpha disaster, 1: Just a simple Film/docu, 2: This one, 3: With actors, storyline and even more detailed. Take care.
What the hell are you on about? Greed and poor organisation led to the deaths of those men - not design or cost of the platform. If the management had cared more about people's welfare than money - this wouldn't have happened. If a PTW system existed that properly documentated changes to the plant - this wouldn't have happened. If the Claymore and Piper had shut down immeditely after the initial explosion and mayday - the bulk of the men would have survived ---
Industry Step Change was introduced offshore for a reason - because the entire ethic of offshore work wasn't focused on safety - it was focused on production. Try using your brain before opening your mouth and letting your stomach grumble. Moron.
I agree. Production pressures often lead to compromise on safe running of a process unit. Maintaining the balance is a rare skill. Major disasters are often caused by a series of failures rather than single point failure.
@1000lukerogers The design wasn't poor - the platform I work on, the Tern Alpha is designed in the exact same was the Piper was. It was industry standard at the time. The piper had retrospectivley installed gas compressors for gas lift under the accomodation - a safety audit held only months before the disaster pointed towards the oil and gas risers from claymore and tartan being a potential problem spot during a fire and the fire fighting aparatus was not up to standard.
@1000lukerogers The whole package of events, from the fire pumps being disabled during diving, the claymore feeding the pipeline fire, the guys in the accomodation breaking windows to find esacpe etc led to the disaster. The design of the platform didn't impinge on people's escape. Most would have survived if the safety systems and management on the day was up to standard - none of it was and that's exactly what Lord Cullen wrote in his report. It was no single event, it was a conspiracy of many
But now it's much more higher level of safety.Better design of rigs,rescue equipment etc. For sure it's much more safety now to work on the platforms,but still we don't have guaranty that any accident will happen offshore again.
I remember spending time at a management college and seeing this video there. Each construction job and factory palce of work is given a rating of how many men are likely to be killed during its life. The new underground in London was 20 man job and as less than 20 were killed it was deemed to be a successful ventur
Allways takes a freaking disaster to change things. why cant people every just set safety measures that are very good. Just being logical and smart about things from the Freaking get go with anything could save thousands of lives, if not millions!
omg that is so scarey im sitting here crying coz my dad is going on the rigs tonight in 20 mins, and now i am really scared but i hope he will be ok, I love u so much dad :'(
THERE WAS A BIG GAS RELEASE ON THE MAGNUS PLATFORM LAST YEAR 2009,REPORTED TO BE BIGGER THAN THE INITIAL PIPER ALPHA RELEASE
nellythegrass 1 year ago
Do you believe in death ? it is uncertain no matter what health and safety you priorities ..when you have to die no one can save you except Allah the Lord of teh Worlds
fyunuskhan 1 year ago
@ Monkeybonk, I agree with you totally, 167 men died and no one, was charged, Armand Hammer and Occidental should have been made to admit negligence and the families should have been recompensed
Sukkii25 1 year ago
this has to be the worst case of negligence ever
stewbhoy1980 1 year ago
i don't think i'll be working on an oil rig either.
Lifesucksdie123 1 year ago
it only makes sense the structure the US Navy uses in operating their engineering plants , The US Navy would never have a cluster of poor operating procedures like this ,,, I am glad I was Engineering Officer of the Watch aboard a US Navy ship ,, took 3 years of training and studying to get that qualification , but it was worth it
levisnteeshirt 1 year ago
i have spent seven years in north sea and have spent some time on old rigs in the northern sector which are in a horrible state . These rigs are not fit to be in a production state and to be honest it is just luck and experience that are allowing them to operate and not kill people. i am glad i dont have to do that for a living anymore
yngdiv 1 year ago
Wow. Is there anything else that could have gone wrong?
JesusHChrist2000 1 year ago
If this happened in China...they would still be in jail. Go figure.
lotanerve 1 year ago 2
@lotanerve: Actually process plant incidents and industrial disasters are a much more common occurrence in China. Thousands have died in recent years becasue of poor industrial safety management in China and in India.
jschanna 1 year ago
@lotanerve
If it was in China it wouldn't have been reported for years, and the perps would mostly likely be still in business, just as Occidental was.
lordkoos 1 year ago
Cant understand this foolishness at all
0Kakku0 1 year ago
i was an 18 year old deckhand working on the standby safety vessel silver pit when this tragic disaster took the lives of so many people, sadly it took such an incident to improve the safety for all offshore workers
alanski1169 1 year ago
My Father did some work on this Rig, he was deeply affected by the disaster...I remember him telling us kids over breakfast that the Oil companies were ruthless. I do not think for one minute that the oil company wanted to see its workers dead...that would interrupt production! Sadly they also put little thought into ongoing safety which as we now all know help efficient production and increased revenue. RIP Piper Alfa...or rather the good honest working men who went with her.
helstontvx 2 years ago 3
unfortunately as long as profit is put before safety the precautions required to prevent accidents like this are rarely implemented by those responsible for managing such large scale and profit operations. and it is the usually the lowest paid and most highly skilled workers on the ground who suffer the consequences. usually the only reason things are changed is because of public, governmental or regulatory bodies pressure on such operations. workers are cheap. changes are expensive
Boxymal 2 years ago 3
Here's what gets me about this. The entire incident was just a series of mistakes, starting from minor ones at the bottom all the way up to major, major ones at the top. Yet because they can point the finger at one guy and say 'you signed that which was wrong', they can get away with criminally negligent rig design that caused the explosion. Those people should've been thrown in jail for 167 counts of negligent manslaughter.
Monkeybonk 2 years ago 7
@Monkeybonk - Cannot agree more! As a process safety professional....I am really concerned by non-tech people being let into important SHE positions in process industry.
jschanna 2 years ago
@Monkeybonk
The problems started at the top with the managers, causing the workers to make sloppy errors. The workers weren't blamed, management and the regulatory bodies were.
1000lukerogers 2 years ago
Its truely sad it takes major loss of lives to improve safety policies in any industry! Why is it we always learn the hard way. As an offshore worker, i hope never to hear of such tragedies happening again in the North Sea. Peace be with those who lost there lives that day.
TheDevilsLeftNut 2 years ago
Safety must be their top priority.. even if they delay the oil production due to the 2 to 3 days of restarting the rig, they must shut down immediately.. i feel so lonely about them..
kimpoi00 2 years ago
I will never forget these men..............Rest in Peace boys...you are never forgotten.
Ontarioarab 2 years ago
Just learned about this accident, one thing if i were working on an oil rig and a fire broke out. I would work my down to the water as fast as possible, jump if i had to, just seems most logical :/
laigar 2 years ago
destoryed the remains?? if that were a ship it would be listed as a grave!
hmmcrunchy 2 years ago
Bottom line is......if a lockout tagout system on pump "B" had been used with the work permit.... this tragedy would have never happened.
jammjunky7 2 years ago 4
agreed.... LOTO would have prevented this.
EV150 2 years ago 3
HSE / CCPS say LOTO failure data is once in hundred years. Given the consequences, more independent protection layers are required. Especially for offshore operations since risk to both people and environment is very high (equivalent to catastrophic societal risk / many MATTEs)
jschanna 2 years ago
I certainly can't disagree with you...
EV150 2 years ago
The root cause of the disaster is obvious - a poor Permit To Work system. Nowadays, a permit is a legal document and you sign it when surrendering to confirm that a) the job is done b) the area is safe and c) there are NO exceptions (such as a pressure relief valve not refitted). A robust sytem of releasing plant for maintenance and returning plant to service would have avoided this accident and was a lesson to all industries. Well done HSE - enforcing this has saved countless lives since Piper
cocknbodge 2 years ago
if the claymore and tartan had shut down at the start would the men have survived
SCANDIN3 2 years ago 3
yeah , but no one wants to take iniative ...tooo afraid of getting reprimanded
nottingwood3 2 years ago
GOONS is rite goons n greed , life is cheap to some people , tyakin chances wit peoples lives is not on , sorry bout ur Dad .FEB1019
palleagle1 2 years ago
That video was hard to watch it makes me extremely angry. My dad was one of the Americans killed on Piper Alpha. Growing up with out him and having to explain how he was killed was hard. No one ever knew what I was talking about When I mentioned the Piper Alpha Disaster. I only knew how bad it was because of old newspaper clipping my mom saved,stories that were told and then eventually the internet. Thanks again for posting the videos
FEB1019 2 years ago
respect brother, i am a big mourner of piper alpha...respect to you and your lost one brother.....
parmo4life 2 years ago
My heart goes out to all the guys who perished in the needless disaster on Piper Alfa..Rest in peace to all those who perished on that awful day..The legacy of many guys lost will not be forgotten!! PEACE!
Waitingforriki 2 years ago
Wow. I am so sorry for your loss. This is a hard video to watch (all three parts). HOrrible horrible OXY. :(
joshuancontrol 2 years ago
Sorry to hear of your dad FEB1019..I had a very good friend (Derek Samson, 'Sinbad') who died a couple of years back..He lost many of his friends during the Piper Alfa disaster & was hugely affected by the whole sorry episode..I thought the world of Derek..He was such a great guy! I still miss him. He was a radio operator on rigs, ships etc, during the 80's, early 90's. He retired to a life of gardening & bringing up his youngest daughter.(& boozing too much in my opinion) RIP Derek, a great m8!
Waitingforriki 2 years ago
I am so sorry you lost your father. I just found out about this disaster.
lfr30043 2 years ago
Im so sorry about your father FEB1019. I`ve been working on riggs and platforms for nearly 15 years now, and still people are having a hard time reporting accidents to the main operating companies or to the gouverment . Its a big shame!
I`ve been told several times theres been made 3 different films/documentaries of the Piper Alpha disaster, 1: Just a simple Film/docu, 2: This one, 3: With actors, storyline and even more detailed. Take care.
NorwegianTurboBrains 2 years ago
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PuchinayYan 2 years ago
What the hell are you on about? Greed and poor organisation led to the deaths of those men - not design or cost of the platform. If the management had cared more about people's welfare than money - this wouldn't have happened. If a PTW system existed that properly documentated changes to the plant - this wouldn't have happened. If the Claymore and Piper had shut down immeditely after the initial explosion and mayday - the bulk of the men would have survived ---
KaneAlmsivi 2 years ago
Industry Step Change was introduced offshore for a reason - because the entire ethic of offshore work wasn't focused on safety - it was focused on production. Try using your brain before opening your mouth and letting your stomach grumble. Moron.
KaneAlmsivi 2 years ago
Language man...I expect professionals (and hopefully management) to see this...Hahahahaha
jschanna 2 years ago
I agree. Production pressures often lead to compromise on safe running of a process unit. Maintaining the balance is a rare skill. Major disasters are often caused by a series of failures rather than single point failure.
jschanna 2 years ago
@KaneAlmsivi, greedy/ poor management caused the design of the rig to be so poor hence not helping the situation once occurred.
1000lukerogers 2 years ago
@1000lukerogers The design wasn't poor - the platform I work on, the Tern Alpha is designed in the exact same was the Piper was. It was industry standard at the time. The piper had retrospectivley installed gas compressors for gas lift under the accomodation - a safety audit held only months before the disaster pointed towards the oil and gas risers from claymore and tartan being a potential problem spot during a fire and the fire fighting aparatus was not up to standard.
KaneAlmsivi 2 years ago
@1000lukerogers The whole package of events, from the fire pumps being disabled during diving, the claymore feeding the pipeline fire, the guys in the accomodation breaking windows to find esacpe etc led to the disaster. The design of the platform didn't impinge on people's escape. Most would have survived if the safety systems and management on the day was up to standard - none of it was and that's exactly what Lord Cullen wrote in his report. It was no single event, it was a conspiracy of many
KaneAlmsivi 2 years ago
Yes,it was a horrible accident.
But now it's much more higher level of safety.Better design of rigs,rescue equipment etc. For sure it's much more safety now to work on the platforms,but still we don't have guaranty that any accident will happen offshore again.
R.I.P. riggers from Piper Alpha
MaXiMuSNFSpr0 2 years ago
I remember spending time at a management college and seeing this video there. Each construction job and factory palce of work is given a rating of how many men are likely to be killed during its life. The new underground in London was 20 man job and as less than 20 were killed it was deemed to be a successful ventur
nethy02 2 years ago
Allways takes a freaking disaster to change things. why cant people every just set safety measures that are very good. Just being logical and smart about things from the Freaking get go with anything could save thousands of lives, if not millions!
Ulquiorra4th 2 years ago
Unfortunately putting management goons above engineering staff will always result in such disasters.
jschanna 2 years ago
Stay and fry,jump and try.R.I.P lads.Them Bastard Oil companies,Blinded by greed
rutlandplace 2 years ago 5
omg that is so scarey im sitting here crying coz my dad is going on the rigs tonight in 20 mins, and now i am really scared but i hope he will be ok, I love u so much dad :'(
leahsyrett09 3 years ago 4
My dad works on them rigs too. I used to but I don't anymore.
cae1388 2 years ago 2