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  • If you follow this guys methods, you'll get lost. Time 2:20 this guy tells you "standing with heels to back of stick, with sun on your back, North is directly in front of you... this is true when you are in the Northern Hemisphere."

    That is false, and here is why;

    It's all about solar declination and position of the sun. If your LAT is 10 degrees North, and the date is 21 June, solar declination is 23 degrees North, "sun on your back" means you are pointed South.

    Special forces? Not.

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  • The stick shadow method is a ballpark method for getting your bearings. It isn't reliable during early / late hours at far North locations.

  • Thank you ,very clear and easy to understand

  • @huless it is me.

  • im getting gangstalked in wahpeton nd can anyone help

  • couldnt you just use the old sun rises in the east and sets in the west to work it out?

    

  • sry 4 my question, but could you please explain to me what's the difference between N hemisphere and the other type of North? as u said when u explained the stick to point N..

    also how do I know which North I want if they are completely the opposite??

    Excuse my questions Im very beginner.... Thank you

  • in ireland the sun always sets down in the west at 9 o clock then u can pick out which way is north, wait till dark then follow the north star. travel by night if ur on the run. thats how paddy does it. now theres one for ya.easy as that.what price is the pint in nottingham these times. and is the fountain bar still open. rosies o breins, etc.??? grand wee town.

  • very nice vid,that guy really did good :) appreciated.

  • Between the 1.5 minute wasted time with the obnoxious and unnecessary intro and what sounds like Darth Vader blowing in my ear, this 7:10 minute video could have taught this stuff in about 90 seconds.  Useful info. Horribly delivered. And a LOT of time wasted.

  • Special forces my ass, you have never been in an SF team, look at the cammo and clothes not a chance.

  • @Lodian1019 Based on the uniform, he could be SAS. And I think that the splitter pattern face paint he`s sporting is more for the viewers benefit than to blend in with nature.

  • @MrKillowatt1 NO! this guy is a panty waist who posts videos about cub scout knowledge, dresses up like he knows what he's doing in a nice British accent so we stupid Americans think he knows what he's talking about.

  • Awesome! Thank you!

  • Arguing online is like being in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded

  • brits......

  • this is wicked thanks i learned something new today that will help me out there when the world goes to shit ...good work need more surv stuff. thanks

  • 3:50 You dont need the blade of grass?!?! Its simply between the hour hand (facing the sun) and 12 oclock...

  • lame

    

  • what regiment etc have you ever served in, your camo is a joke, your clothing is disgraceful and by the look of your hands you have never had a hard day in your life.

  • good info

    well explained ..

    cheers

  • almost a 2 minute annoying intro made me stop watching this and write this comment, hit the dislike button and not care to watch the rest of the video...

  • Skip to 1:40, the beginning is a waste of time.

  • I LOVE ARGUING ON THE INTERNET TO PEOPLE WHO DONT GIVE A SHIT! :) FUCK YOU TOO!

    lol

  • Its almost like them idiots on youtube that are so excited about and teaching the 3 bandanna water purification technique. There so excited about it, learned it from a book, but since they can't think on there own, they fail to tell the viewers that the system is useless if your going to let the water seep or overflow over the sides, which means you want to pour slowly or the system for water purification is useless.

  • Learn to think, plan, and surpass books. If your going to Use books then at least think of what there not telling you, or where the info there telling might be wrong, don't follow them blindly. Your doing great in trying to teach people, but since your sun and watch method are both wrong, there not helping. Books fail to tell you watch method is for pm, which means am is reversed like I said.

  • Lt, those guys you trained to come and kill me, there not soldiers, there robots.

  • If it is 6pm, point hour hand at sun, halfway between 6 and 12 then you get 9pm for north, but for AM you go reverse using right half of watch, so if its 7am, point hour hand at sun. Halfway between hour hand and 12 in reverse you get 3:30, which is north.

  • Thats the problem with learning from a book and not being experianced enough to tell whats right and wrong and also being able to figure stuff out on your own. Books also wrongly explain the watch method. Watch method works fine for pm, but they fail to tell you that if its AM then you have to dissect in the opposite direction. Im using the method where you point the hour hand at the sun. So PM, you dissect the left half of the watch, AM, you dissect the right half, to get north.

  • you even sounded confused when you was explaining it, like you wasn't sure if what you was saying was right, and that's because it wasn't.

  • Lt, those soldiers you trained to come after me, there not soldiers, there robots.

  • Congratulations on getting people lost and making people dumber for watching your video. For northern hemisphere the first mark is west, the second mark is east, yes sun does want to be on your back, but you wanted to be turned around facing the other way. What you just told people is that stand on it and your facing north, your facing south idiot and teaching people wrongly. You got it all backwards, you should learn the skills and know what your talking about before teaching them.

  • i bet their TA

  • what is up with the Camo, I can still see you :D

  • What's with the straw and the watch? Just point the hour hand at the sun and bisect the angle beween the hour hand and 12 (allowing for any variations such as BST).

  • special forces eh.... mabey in 1984, time to update your gear haha. Interesting vid though

  • @ProllySmokin WELL LOL LIKE THE ELITE SEAL TEAMS BACK IN THE VIETNAM WAR THEY COULD WEAR WHAT THEY WANTED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BUT THEY WOULD WARE BLUE JEANS WITH A CAMO TOP WITH FACE PAINT IF THOSE CHOSE TO BUT USUALLY LOL YOU SHOULD PIC A COLOR THAT BLENDS IN DARKLY AND LIGHTLY ON TWO TO 4 DIMENSIONS OF COLOR SCHEME BUT AGREED HE DEFINATLY WASNT DRESSED FOR SUCESS IN THAT ENVIRONMENT LOL

  • Yeah,everyone skip to 1:40.That's where the video starts.

  • what was it again with that southern hemisphere?

  • CUT TO THE CHASE --->1:40

  • Prime example why we should not believe in every video we watch here. When you have two marks, if you face your stick you look at the south in the northern hemisphere. How you look at the sun and say you look at the north. You obviously should stop acting like you know something. You are not special about anything in my book. thats my two cents.

  • Can someone tell me why you'd wait 20 mins to find north from the sun when you can do it in seconds with an analogue watch? Cheers.

  • @KX36 I DONT WEAR A WATCH WHEN I AM STRANDED IN THE WOODS

  • @KX36 THe name of the video is SURVIVAL Navigation. you never know what senario you will be in

  • your cam and concealment is gash...

  • Does it have to be 20 minutes?

  • @NinjaWarriorDude no it dose not need to be 20 minutes, just enough time for the shadow to have moved a noticeable amount to be able to measure the change in where shadow is cast. this will then enable you to get you east - west divide. =]

  • @TheToddAcademy thanks. I now feel I have enough Special Forces training to go to the mountains of Afghanistan to collect the bounty on Osama's head.

  • @NinjaWarriorDude true,,,dont forget ur face paint,lol

  • i love how the guy at the begining gets his ass blown up lol

  • If you have a watch, it goes alot faster to use the watch in relation to the sun directly :p

  • thanks a lot for sharing this video, mm...just wondering if there are other methods to do the same without using the current developed technology cause as you know if the sun wasn't there for you, you don't have to stay there till spring or summer season especially if you're in England or somewhere in th UK in general

  • if the coins represents the shadow mark, there is no way that if you sit with your face toward the camera you'll get the sun behind you.

  • mach mal was

  • Learn to that that in Russia each schoolboy knows)))) Not military men and a kindergarten what that.

    аахах))) Учат тому что в России каждый школьник знает)))) Не военные а детский сад какой то.

  • @Gaiver20007 me not learn, born city not need twigs to play with sun. me sad for you. lmao!

  • DANGER ALERT! This could be misleading. Yes, he did find an east west line, but in the Northern Hemisphere, using this mehod the first mark is WEST. To find NORTH you must stand with the first mark to your LEFT! He is doing it standing with the first mark on his right! He is facing SOUTH! (Though if you ignord the video and simply use the audio. ie sun at your back, it will work. problem is in the video he is facing the sun and facing SOUTH, when he points and speaks of NORTH!

  • @commando1854 Thank you this guy is facing SOUTH

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  • Are you military? You teach like a boyscout! You need to buy a military survival manual. It has these methods and several other explained in great detail. And I'd put my money on the fact you have never been in the military. And if you have, I feel sorry for that country. And you should'nt try to pass youself off as special forces.

  • good video but that 1:30 intro was a bit much.

  • good shit, this!! A1

  • who's son is he mentioning here?

  • is that cammo job SF too??? LOLOL Wannabes never stop amazing me!!!!

  • awesome!

  • Depending on the sun or stars for navigation is all fine and dandy...until the clouds, rain ,snow or triple-C show up.

    Carry a compass people or stay the hell out of the woods...persaonally, I'm damn tired of hauling lost hikers and hunters out.

  • you know you could just say the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

  • Thanks for sharing your information with us.

  • there are much easily way's and more relaible without a watch because not every country have the same time zone sun go's up in the east the hottest time in the day something that you will feel and the sun is much higher south go's under west when it's dark nord

  • Quite cool

  • An intro of almost two minutes for a 5 minute video, damn!

  • this guy suck at making a point, such a bad teacher... bear grylls might not be a god but he explains stuff in 2 words and make sense

  • @chaja19 bear grylls explains but no one is the best who gives a fuck?

  • a what time do you put the first counter down?, please replay back

  • if yout talking bout the stick and stone, then it doesnt matter what time you put the counter down you can do it at ne time of day , peace!

  • by the way that watch suck. trust me i had it.

  • I have one question about using an analog watch to find north. Does it matter which direction (clockwise/counter clockwise) you you go to find south? for example: it's 3 o'clock. That means that south is at about 1:30. But at 7 o'clock, south is at 3:30? It seems to make sense that to find south you need to divide the hour hand position and the 12 o'clock mark in a counter clock direction. Am I right? Or am I a complete noob..

  • this is cool! survival training vid! i also read bout making a watch as a compass in the book.. although its quite confusing at first

  • haha... true...

  • lol dumbas in the beginning gets grenaded and doesnt even see it

  • Is this a joke???

  • Some people never get tired of arguing on YT.

  • @Yosh997 agreed lol

  • @Yosh997

    No I dont and your wrong. Let me tell you why.

    It all started back in 1788 when I was crownprince of Persia. One day, Eddie Murphy showed up in his pimped out chariot and said: "marry me".

    So you see, I know better.

  • @Yosh997 yes they do......no they don't...YESSS THEY DO....No they Bloody DON'T :o)

  • Most that watch this are not military and are not going to be military. Civilian survival isn't going to be about cammo and automatic weapons, it's going to be about bugging out or sitting it out. Always good to practice, plan a "what if" weekend. Spend a weekend using your gear (for either senerio), get practice and see if what you have works they way you think, or walk to the next town with your BOB and see if you can. You will fight as you train, simple maxium.

  • @5thSFGsniper

    Exactly and it will be twice as easy, if you ever have to do it for real.

    If you cannot get away, just live out of your BOB for the weekend. You will learn your pack and gear.

  • What a stupid idea with that camo cream on your face. You didn't do it properly, so what's the point?Stop playing, take a backpack, some essential equipment and go somewhere to the wilderness,learn some survival and camouflage techniques. Making such videos is a waste of time.Besides there's plenty of field manuals in the internet, and this is a much better source of knowledge.

  • nice

  • Works best -IF- there's a sun...lol...

    Good tips. But for lights-out and low-light ops, I'd rather have a compass...

  • Yh, all of ya shut the fuck up. SAS Best on Earth

  • An SAS career is not an easy life. It's almost like a religion. Families and friends come later.

    It's the sacrifice by men from the SAS that keeps us from threats of fanatical dictators like Stalin.

  • Random. But i know

  • yeah the AUSSIE ones

  • they good and almost equal to british SAS

  • All of you STFU and just watch the fucking video. It's educational.

  • @ErrorOptik

    Educationally wrong.

  • plus SAS train SF

  • lol they actually don't. I have no idea why every G*d dam brit thinks this. Fucking idiots!

  • think what?

  • SAS does don't train SF(Green Beret's). When DELTA was originally formed SAS did help train them t get their feet on the ground. but thats it after that SAS has had nothing to do with any of our special forces. Especially our Vanilla tear 3 forces (Green Beret's and all SEAL teams besides SEAL team 6). But they only helped us start our black ops DELTA Force, our Maritime black Ops DEVGRU(SEAL team 6) have always trained themselves.

  • your an idiot, and you need a reality check FAST. you would get your shit rocked by an albanian army grunt let alone any special forces.

  • wtf whered albania come in?

    i thought anything was better than french.....lol but albania?

  • its just some random small country- i could have said a bolivian army grunt or a vietnamese one- it doesnt matter, "rollingrage" is an idiot- a loser, and needs to get his shit rocked badly- and i by that i mean a severe ass kicking. i have had my share, and i thank god for them- i believe rollingrage is long overdue for one.

  • Maybe you need one more ass kicking to readjust your attitude problem. Ever think of that tough guy ?

    You think you are the end all be all tough guy on Earth ?

    Get over yourself. No one man, not even Rambo (he got his head blown off at the end of the one book the movie character was based on), is much of a threat without at least a squad of fellow soldiers to work with to accomplish a mission.

    Maybe you should think before you type huh ?

  • me? would you mind telling me what i said to offend you? and no- i dont think i am the toughest guy on earth, i know a few people who could give me a royal ass wooping, but thats not the point. but your wrong anways, pretty much any SF operator is individually capable.

  • Have YOU worked with an SF unit ?

    I worked a LITTLE bit with the 10th and 5th SF Groups in Iraq and those guys were the ultimate team players.

  • yes they are, but they are also fully capable of operating on their own, if god forbid a whole SF team is killed but one man- you think he is gonna be helpess because he is without his teammates! NO! he is SF! and individually capable as well as being a team player.

  • So you haven't worked with SF, that is what I thought.

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  • If you "train" (training to do what exactly?) with ex-SF guys why not tell us what group and ODA they were with ?

    I worked a little with 10th and 5th SF Groups from ODA063 in Samarra, Iraq 2004.

    Easy, if I am the asshole why the need for foul language ? Why not just be the bigger man and tell someone to go fly a kite.

  • 1. its none of your business what i am training with them for.

    2. again- its none of your business who they are or what their background is.

    3. i didnt ask you to share your business, so i am not obligated to share mine more than i would like to.

    4. spec ops rely on their teams, but they are not helpess without them, they can operate fine as individuals.

  • 1:So you are just lying, that is what I thought.

  • wow buddy you really are a fucking asshole, i dont really care if you believe me or not, if you have an ounce of sense though - you would know the nature of spec ops, and that my answer i gave you was the best answer i could give you besides not saying anything at all. i can't believe you are really arguing with me on the point that special operators are not individually capable, are you saying that by themselves they are helpess and unable to function? get a clue.

  • The nature of "spec ops" (ROFLMAO!) .... why not clue me in on the nature of "spec ops" then since you know so much about "spec ops" when you can't even name one group or ODA that the guys you train with were in.

    If you don't care, then don't reply.

  • i can name them- i just dont, for reasons which should be obvious, especially to someone such as you.

  • As long as you are not naming names and compromising a mission, you can talk about units, groups, and ODA's to you hearts desire.

    What you are trying to think of is a thing called OPSEC, which should be obvious, especially to someone like you that supposedly trains with ex-SF guys.

    I thought you didn't care what I think ?

  • whatever.

  • That is what I thought liar.

  • actually you know what- i am starting to think that you are a liar, because you sound pretty immature to be working with spec ops.

  • That'd be convenient for you but why not watch my video, Surfs Up Iraq, and wait for me to say hello from Iraq.

    Nice try.

  • can we examine what we are really arguing about- i said spec operators are individually capable, and you said no- they are team players- both are true, so what the fuck is your problem? second just because you served in iraq as an army grunt (god bless ya) does not mean you worked with special operation forces.

  • Wrong again.

    The Certificate of Appreciation from C Company 10th SF Group (ODA 063), that they gave to guys in my unit, says I did work with them.

    You don't get those by not working with SF.

  • XIPM3 You my friend are a complete retard firstly why are you gonig telling everyone that your apparently training with Spec Ops , telling anyone outside the military is a breach of OPSEC , telling you one thing if your Spec Ops then i am fucking Chinese

  • well guess what buddy- it looks like you are the retard here because i dont train with spec ops- i train with ex-spec ops which is completely within the limits of OPSEC, secondly, if anyone is violating OPSEC (not that i think he is) it would be timmyhaag giving information on his experiences with spec ops in the field- so go bitch like a moaning whore to him about OPSEC you fruit cake. i think i was being pretty ambigious about my own experiences- where it seems he wanted to show off.

  • You seem to bitch about 'timmyhaag' wanting to show off talking about Spec Ops but you also seem to forget the fact that you are too despite the fact the are ex you dont go talking bout shit from the past OPSEC doesnt just apply if your currently serving you fucking idiot.

  • YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED- nothing i said breaches OPSEC, and nothing i said comes close to being as specific as timmhaag's "C Company 10th SF Group (ODA 063" this fucking idiot makes youtube videos about his work in iraq- you can probably see i dont have a single video to my name- this fucking idiot is asking me for specific information, who here is breaching OPSEC asshole? get a clue.

  • Mate , your both as bad as one another , you both need to fucking grow up , arguing over youtube about Spec Ops that i doubt neither has been involved in or with

  • then go give him shit you dumb fuck! anways i really dont care what either of you think- i know what is true for myself, and i don't doubt that timmyhaag has been involved with spec op units.

  • I dont think EITHER of you have , i mean why you go blabbing on facebook weather they are ex or not!

  • oh yes i see it now youll beat the shit out of them with 2 bullets in ur chest and 1 in ur head from a 9mm have a blast?

  • Why put your feet on the stick when using the sun and stone method.

    Just stick another stick 90 degrees with your first stick and it points North and South. The Sun will be on the Southern side in the Northern Hemisphere, and will be in the Northern side in the Southern Hemisphere.

    Or you can draw a 90 angle line.

    It is quicker and easier.

    From an old Jarhead who has used this method.

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  • why do you put an antipersonal mine right next to your face?

  • "Special Needs" forces more like

  • Direction by Watch:

    Why does the minute hand appear to be the line you've used to set your baring on. The hour hand (shorter) shows at about 6:00 a.m./p.m. and the minute hand (longer) is at about quarter after. So why hold the blade of grass up to the minute hand. I could just have it ass backwards. Thanks!

  • I think he had the stick and sun part backwards. He showed the shadow rom the stick facing one way and then stood against the stick with his back toward the North. On the paper diagram, he did it correctly.

  • he had the sun to his front. wolly

  • Whilst the stick and stone method works it's so convuluted, and if you have a watch to measure a twenty minute time period you're going to use the hour-hand method any way. Also, you don't need to lay a twig along the watch face, you can just look at it. I fail to see why you're advertising these as "special forces" methods of navigation when they're techniques that any school boy would have learnt by the age of 13!

  • Thanks for the comment, this is one of very many survival nav tips included in our DVD, SFAT Getting Back to Civilisation, there are so many ways to check nav when your on the move in a survival situation... and any method not matter how simple is another great tool the more skills you have the better your knowledge, hope and will to survive are massively boosted... the more the better...

    Kind Regards

    SFAT

  • @headjamesr they do teach all of these methods in the military survival school that I went to. The stick method is for when you don't have a watch, you just "wait a while" to place the second stone.

  • @headjamesr they do teach all of these methods in the military survival school that I went to. The stick method is for when you don't have a watch, you can either count out the minutes if you are desparate, or simply "wait a while" and get a pretty accurate bearing that is still better than ambling about whilst totally lost.

  • @headjamesr they do teach all of these methods in the military survival school that I went to. The stick method is for when you don't have a watch, you can either count out the minutes if you are desparate, or simply "wait a while" and get a pretty accurate bearing that is still better than ambling about whilst totally lost. People die because they have absolutely no idea which way they are going.

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  • im going to try it thanks for the info cheers.

  • okay

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  • You guys are great, i'd love to do one of your courses, i've been to your web site and it looks coooooool!!!

    Got to be one of the top jobs in the world.

    LLB

  • wow man your smart why dont you be geologist

  • Note that during this teambuilding event the LUP followed SAS SOP's in that you place a claymore ready for bug-out so that any contact where you drop back to peel off from contact leave the enemy that follows a nice warm present :)

    Thanks for the comments guys.

    Kind Regards

    SFAT

  • cool! at 0:29 there's an active claymore there and if it went off ball bearing would do a 360 and kill the two blokes in the fox hole

  • active?

    i wouldnt think so...

  • claymores dont kill at 360, the spread is only in front of the explosive.

  • yeah notice how it says front towards enemy

  • it still does a 360 and the ball bearing will hit them

  • I've trained with these in the army i know how they work. I looked it up on wikipedia for you.

    "When the M18A1 is detonated, the explosion drives the matrix of 700 spherical fragments out of the mine at a velocity of 3995 feet per second (1,200 m/s) [1], at the same time breaking the matrix into individual fragments. The spherical steel balls are projected in a 60° fan-shaped pattern that is two meters high (6 ft, 8 in) and 50 meters (165 ft) wide at a range of 50 meters (165 ft)."

  • During this event the LUP followed SAS SOP's in that you place a claymore ready for bug-out so that any contact where you drop back to peel off from contact leave the enemy that follows a nice warm present :)

    Thanks for the comments guys.

    Kind Regards

    SFAT

  • he's just read that from a fucking book.not even in the army

  • how can it be a quick way if you have to wait

    20 minuets

  • well for some of them better hope its not a cloudy day

  • If you were in capture and made an escape, you has run for a long time but need a break, maybe you can get some food from plants and larves, but are unsure about the direction. I cant see why one of these technices isnt good enough then, but ofc it would be hard to take the time... And it is also possible to look on trees and plants. But its useful to know, then u can do something if you have lost the compass.

  • if the sun casts a shadow on the ground with the stones then you need to turn around to keep from confusing people in the first part of the vid