waterboarding is torture. thats fact. but what is also fact is that water boarding saved lives. bush put his reputation on the line to save people lives, and that should mean something to you people. idk about any of you people, but if my family anf friends were killed by an act of terrorism that could have been stopped from water boarding, i would be devestated that they didnt do it.
do you relize that russian's will strap cords to your testicals and electricute you?
That is probally alot worse than watebroarding, it doesnt even harm you really, it just feels like your drowning, and those desert towl heads dont even take baths let alone be around water.
@GoodEvenings nope, just explaining how we finally find some good way of torture and we think its wrong when other countrys pretty much make you wish you wernt alive when they torture you and you seem to think your such a tough guy yourself that cute,
Water boarding is not what you think. In reality the subject is strapped to a board and dropped headfirst into a 55 gallon drum filled with water. When the subject stops thrashing they are pulled out and revived. Rinse and repeat as many times as necessary.
Water boarding is not what you think. In reality the subject is strapped to a board and dropped headfirst into a 55 gallon drum filled with water. When the subject stops thrashing they are pulled out and revived. Rinse and repeat as many times as necessary.
One day we are going to pass on the opportunity to get information that can save thousands of American lives because we are too afraid to get the info and act on it when there is still an opportunity to do so. At that time I want all these politically correct pussies to stand up and say they would rather have thousands of Americans die then one terrorist get water-boarded.
It is too easy to just say water-boarding is no good. You have to say what u are willing to sacrifice even to not waterboar
@rasalghul5555 thousands die to give us the nation we have. thousands more to maintain it. Then we turn around and for a hand full of hours of safety deprive our children and grandchildren of the our soldiers fought to provide and preserve.
to hell with principles, rule of laws, morals, righteousness, when we can have a few more hours of pretended safety.
Soldiers who die to provide us with a nation built on principles means nothing to you. Its not political-correctness but Correctness
do you consider 9/11 just a few hours of terror or do you think the effects have much longer lasting effects? Every time I take my shoes off and get an anal probe by TSA just when I want to get on a plane shows that these fucking terrorists are fucking with our lives a decade after their chicken shit attack.
YES... THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS...A FEW HOURS...
Does the lives of the people in trade-center(god rest them) count more than the thousands who died in uniform serving to provide us with a nation based on good sound principles.
We so freely give up our bravest and best just to turn around and spit in there faces saying we dont want the good righteous nation you provided. We want to run things like Iraq. bad men came and scared us so we give up being what you hoped us to be.
forget due process of law just throw people into the river. guilty not guilty who cares there all towel heads right...
how about try them and put them to death the principled way. trial by jury is too important of a principle to just throw it away cuz the bad guys are awful scary.
how quickly your willing give up the great America and replace it with a very nasty replica under a similar name and none of the former quality.
SO easy to call someone a coward and pretend to take the high road in these matters. the truth is it is not such an easy black and white - "torture bad" scenario - I was it can be.
Let me ask you a simple question -- if torturing one person could lead to saving the lives of thousands of Americans - would you do it?
Please answer this hypothetical question and not evade by saying torture does not yield good info. This is a simple test question.
when you forget your principles everything seems like values of gray. Get some Principles. LIVE BY THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY OF YOUR LIFE. or die an animal. die like an Iraqi. no honor in dieing a coward. A nation without Principles is no nation but a band of savages ruling over each other at the whim of the times..
so I take from your comments if faced with the choice, you will rather have thousands of Americans die then splash water on some ignorant, misguided terrorist. Is that an example of the principles you live by?
You are so full of shit -- you like to pretend to take the high road while ppl like me actually face the tough decisions and decide to make the choice that will save American lives. You benefit from the hard decisions ppl like me are willing to make and then you cower in your sanctimonious, liberal BS and feel good about yourself when all you do is make the world less safe for Americans.
yeah you do. you proclaim the opposite of whatever liberal is to you. you proclaim liberals as that which is ruining our chances of being safe. you proclaim opposition to liberal thinking. yet your the most liberal person demanding government cause a the world to be a safe place for you.
demanding that the government make a safe place for you cost us all our liberty. demanding the nation become a evil place cost us our good nation
Really, is it all that hard to let your ideas and principles go to hell. yeah sounds like your struggling. A tougher decision would be to hold ones ground and stand-fast to the principles that make you a great nation even at the cost of life.
Are the lives of those lost in terrorist acts worth more to you than those of us who where willing to die to protect the America, founded on principles. soldiers gave you a principled nation...would you let it go so cheaply.
I see you stil refuse to answer my question - if water boarding one suspect meant saving the lives of thousands of Americans - would you do it.
Don't go sideways on this question and start saying torture does not get good info. In this hypothetical - it will. I am just curious how far you really believe what yuo are saying.
The safe nation your dreaming up cant exist in the same space as the one the founders intended. The nation your imagining is an evil creature, a new IRAQ.
the founders didn't give us a safety clause.They gave a a PRINCIPLED NATION. based on the RULE OF LAW...
The founders expected you to stand the wall and sacrifice to protect that great cause of liberty, freedom and self-reliance. but you give up on it in hopes of a little PRETEND SAFETY. We all die its just a matter of how.
wow - the sad shit is you actually believe your sanctimonious BS but i bet if it really came down to it - you would give up all this BS talk about "principles" if it meant saving your own ass or your family's. You are just a coward that will not admit the truth.
there again we are not tallking about what an individual impassioned by his animal sense of revenge or his feelings towards his family should or would be....remember a linch-mob has good intensions but are motivated by passion rather than justice. Saying i bet you would torture is not fair question because i am an individual easily swayed by strong passions. the LAW MUST REMAIN PASSIONLESS.
I understand that old maxim that society does not necessarily want the parents of a murdered child to sentence the murderer's punishment. However, what we need to decide as a society is how do we realistically confront terrorist based on their tactics. You appear to be someone who lives in a vacuum and not connected to the real world. You would be someone who probably feels soldiers need to wear bright red coats and beat a drum before battle or else they are not real soldiers
All you dumbass people you never been waterboarded and claim its not torture. TRY IT....You will be crying like daddy is letting you drown in the pool on your first swim. It simulates drowning dip shits...The feeling of "I am going to die". Thats why the CIA uses it.
I got waterboarded today (in a controlled setting) to see how bad it is, and even controlled and being waterboarded lightly is fucking HORRIBLE. I support McCain.
Torture is no joke! Virtually all the politicos are reps for controllers... Reagan=ray gun, Bush=burning,Obama=bomb, Mc Cain=you get the cane. Forget the pope=go see god (death).
IF i am shot in the head in combat and by miracle of medicine i survive. i will be a totally different person than the one i was going to be otherwise.
on the other hand if i get shot in the arm i can still remain what i was intellectually.
so are we shot in the arm and still the greatest nation on the face of the earth. or are we shot in the head and forever changed . freedom independence liberty justice. which of those do your replace with thoughtless brutality and revenge.
flyboymd82 no of course water boarding isn't torture. Sending captives to Guantanamo, putting them naked, throwing cold water on them, having barking dogs, sensory deprivation, water boarding and other actions are not torture of course not lmao.
Man get real, if they didn't torture them there would be no need to take them illegally to a prison in Cuba and elsewhere around the world.
You just contradicted yourself. If anyone knows torture, it is John McCain. So if he says that waterboarding is torture, then he is telling the truth. If it wasn't torture it would be legal and people would probably do it as an excercise or professional sport. Fucking redneck.
heh, you are just about as bad as terrorists if you cause terror to them. no-one, no-one should be put under torture. You are sinking down to their level. And the fact that you call them rag heads is just about as bad. Imagine this world where whites were not the 'superior' (and i use that term very loosely) race.
Im the one that usally tells people to have an open mind. Maybe the CIA had a hand in it, maybe not. I consider myself a logical person, faith, conspiracy and speculation mean nothing to me. Show me facts! Im not saying your wrong, but simply that evidence says otherwise.
Well with all things being equal i would have to agree but the facts aren't all there so the evidence has to show the way, so if you only look for the facts right up front you may find yourself being fooled by people who removed the proof and facts, and unless you can play detective and follow the clues you may never have the facts and the truth.
Damn right!...Eye for eye! These people who defend the terrorist rights disgust me. This is OUR country and the people who plot deadly attacks on innocent civillians should not think they can do so and then get a fucking slap on the wrist! Anyone who intends to harm the US should know without a doubt that there will be hell to pay, yes you will be tourtured, yes its gonna hurt, yes its even possible you will be killed. I mean after all your the one that flew a fucking airplane into OUR buildings
You need to find the source before you attack what's being broadcast and fed into your brain my native 'friend'. People have fought and died to PROTECT your country and right now it is being torn apart by the very system that has been put in place by your own people. It's exactly what they want you to believe, they're winning. Just have an open mind is all I ask of anybody, do your OWN research rather than rely on an unreliable source.
Waterboard the terrorists PLEASE!! Waterboarding is for terrorists like the ones who killed Americans on 9/11 and want to destroy this whole country! Terrorists ARE ENEMIES!! They are a serious danger to our nation!! Get it? Why don't those who hate waterboarding on terrorists go live with them, go ahead, and see how long you last you traitors!!! They would execute you in a second!
"Waterboarding is for terrorists like the ones who killed Americans on 9/11 and want to destroy this whole country!"... That would be Americans themselves then. You are already living amongst the terrorists in your country, the sooner you learn this the better. Don't just asume, do some fucking research. Hate is a strong word but I HATE people who jump to conclusions based on one persons word.
I've read your comments and I think you need to communicate more specifically what you are talking about....My mind reading abilities are not up to par these days so, are you thinking our government planned and carried out 9/11? I'm not sure, so let me know if that's what you meant and I will elaborate on my comment. Whatever the case may be, the muslim terrorists were definitely involved and therefore the CIA wouldn't be wrong in forcing info from them.
Alot of people who believe in what I believe in actually don't know much about it, which is why I ask people to have an open mind no matter who sounds right. It's not so much the American government 'carried out' the plans of 9/11 but more they funded it, stood back and allowed it to happen. 2 commercial planes endangering the lives of thousands of people.. the second plane would not and should not have been allowed to get remotely close to the towers.
9/11 was a wake up call to many people. A lot of people realised what has been going on for many decades, even centuries to some level. Former CIA officials have confirmed the continued use of mind control after they supposedly ceased it. People have died mysteriously before being known to have wanted to release information. Fighting evil with evil only creates evil.
Actually your speaking more like a traitor and may not even know it.
You're right about the terrorists wanting to destroy America and in fact if torture is used and accepted then people like you are helping these people win, its not about defending the terrorists its about not becoming what they ARE using TERROR like they are, America doesn't torture, why? because its wrong and doing right is America!
Liberty is what America is about take that away, they win, torture is anti-American!
No one is defending the terrorist, they should be brought to justice and America can do that without selling out and becoming less, its more admirable and says more about America too not torture then every time we feel like we are in danger just throwing your morals away, do you want everyone to think that is America?
America is the good guy, sure if we become like them we will be all super safe, but whats the point without it being American and having rights and freedoms.
@mistercrazydudeful: In fact "enemy combatants" is a term made up for legal reasons in the US. It's military/legal newspeak to justify any form of violence against these people.
The combatant status is already defined in the Geneva Conventions and these definitions and procedures how to treat them differ from US newspeak.
By the way, any American could become an enemy combatant. The president just has to say so. ;) Ah, life's so much easier without rules.
I like a lot of things about the US, and truly think it is a role model for other countries in many respects.
But, what do you mean by ethical foundations? Can you expand on that?
Vietnam? How you dealt with German and Japanese civilians during WWII? Slavery? The Natives?
I think it's more of an evolution of thought, rather than foundations, no? It's only in the recent past that the US has become an intellectual and cultural center.
Petraeus intimates that we did torture and break the law here:
GENERAL PETRAEUS: ...take away from our enemies a tool which again they've beaten us around the head and shoulders in the court of public opinion."
"When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Convention, we rightly have been criticized... it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena..."
If it was one of us getting tortured over in the middle east, the UN would be all over that, and the country charged with crimes against humanity.... But we're bigger so we can do what we want. And clearly anyone who supports water boarding and torture is a fucking retard.(And these people can vote HA!)
Well, I tend to agree with you, but in the end, nothing is really black and white (unless you are a fanatic). You can't think of any scenario in which you would approve of torture? I can help you think of one, and you can work from there. You could argue that it's a slippery slope, and should be nipped at the bud, but that might be taking the supposed moral high ground, and the easy way out - and really, when you are not the one making the decisions and bearing the responsibility, it is easy.
You are all eating it up, they want you to argue, dont you guys realize that this is just another ploy to destract your attention from something else? Like the red, white and blue cock you're getting fucked by everyday. They make you focus on one thing so then can slip something bigger by you.
Earth to TWA Flight T! Brits burned DC, Madison threw in over illegal establishment, letting GONY get in, Lincoln got shot, US drifted into a secret treaty with Victoria, who invaded Palestine, 1882. 1893 US invasion of Hawaii proved a secret treaty, WHICH STARTED BOTH WWI AND WWII, tardies. La Palma and Atlantic and Pacific trenches will spit tsunamis at you, over waterboarding for Israel, when JEWS ARE FROM ETHIOPIA and then from THE PURPLE GANG or NATUREI KARTA, not both. 360.yahoo/bobgnote
with the respect that we would with present to ur own friends. Mabey if we were to put this practise in to play than mabey the great nation of the united states of america would have less enimies.
Do you realize we are not dealing with sane people here! These Muslims are nuts! You would not waterboard three people to save 3000 on 9/11! Do you realy think if we are nice to the muslims they will be nice to us! That is not how it works!
lol it doesnt matter if ur "afraid" of being waterbaorded or not, when u r going through the sensation of drowning ur brain does not function properly and u panic, i dont care how tough u are, that is why waterboarding is such an effective interrogation technique, some may last lojnger then otehrs but noboody can resist waterboarding, it is torture and thats the end ofi t
@homersparents How is that torture? A Tiger playing with it's food is just that. You'd have to be a down home-baked moron to think that analogy is on par with intentional torture such as a human is capable of. Those who torture others are no better than the terrorists IMO.
@wowspare Some animals play with there food alive before eating it, If i were the animal getting tossed around then eaten I'd consider that being tortured. But that's just me.
@ponchred Yeah I agree but I gave that answer to a guy that said " animals don't torture" and like I said if i was one of the animals being tossed around i'd consider myself being tortured.
@knoble430 So, if you were being thrown around by say, a tiger as it prepared to snack on your delicate insides, you'd seriously shout 'Help, this Tiger is intentionally torturing me!' Or would you silently consider it torture purely because the experience is unpleasant? In either case, the Tiger is not mauling you because you have a different religious belief, because it hates humans or because it thinks you're withholding vital Tiger secrets, it's doing it because it wants to eat. Not torture.
@ponchred There are videos and photo sequences of bobcats methodically killing rattlesnakes and not taking so much as a nibble of it's flesh, so was just doing it for??????????????????? People want to put animals on a platform above them in expressions of self loathing, Dolphins rape and commit what humans would term "hate crimes" against other Dolphin speacies but humans are the only animal that "tortures" But then you seem to have formed your opinion on animal behavior from Disney movies...
@greentexian I grew up on a farm, ass. Animals do not 'torture' other animals out of malice. Dolphins do not 'rape'. That's a term you put on it purely to try to validate your view that animals do torture each other with maniacal hatred and glee. Dolphins purely mate as dolphins have evolved to do so. Spiders and other animals eat their mates, however it's not because their a different religion, rather once again it's as they are wont to do. Humans beings are the only animals capable of torture.
p@ponchred Yes you grew up on a farm, with domesticated animals. Well guess what dumbass dolphins are wild animals and will rape other dolphins. Yes and it has been documented by scientists you silly ass hat. Dophins also engage in homosexual intercourse imagine that! So in the future I hope you are raped by a "purely" gay dolphin you silly fucking mung.
@greentexian Dolphins engage in homosexual rape as a form of ATTACK on unwanted, interloping males, desire has nothing to do with it. If they had fists instead of flippers, there would be no ambiguity. Judging from many of your comments, "Asshat" as you call it appears to be your own favored apparel.
@greentexian Of course. Farms only have domesticated animals (rolls eyes). Dolphins rape other dolphins do they? So there's a dolphin victim that goes to a dolphin cop and files the dolphin police report, I suppose? Perhaps a dolphin slipped another dolphin a ruphie? But seriously, animals aren't criminals. They run on instinct. Like your dolphins 'raping'. Are you sure they're not just having animal sex? Once again, animals don't torture, and I'm sorry I made you so angry, greentexian.
@ponchred Are you going to address the fact that dolphins rape other dolphins or are you just going to act like a facetious cunt? Sorry if facts disturb you, it has been scientifically documented on multiple occasions that dolphins commit gang rape on unwilling females. Sorry I had to bust your Disneyfied view of nature all to hell, maybe you should try to actually learn something you ridiculous asshat
@greentexian And in any case, if you were a bobcat up against a poisonous rattlesnake, would you not try to take it out methodically so as not to get bitten? As opposed to the bobcat trying to 'torture' something out of the rattlesnake, because that makes no sense whatsoever.
getting false info and not torturing because we feel it is immoral is two different arguments. All too often pussies combine these arguments in order to avoid confronting some tough questions about how we combat terrorism and filth in this world.
For instance - if there was agreement torture did yield accurate info - would you ok water boarding if it would save thoussands of American lives.
u see liberals refuse to answer this question and go sideways on this point all the time.
@rasalghul5555: Being against torture is just being sane. And saying that torture just leads to false information does not imply torture should be legal if it would result in useful information. Your logic is wrong.
It just states two things in one sentence. Torture is against any western ethical standard (USA excluded) and furthermore it's useless.
You can't wage war against terror. Terror is not a people.
Being against torture is not avoiding the tough questions. Your argument is silly..
@rasalghul5555: "Whatever it takes" - as long as you won't be affected by it :) We had a pretty similar situation here in Germany when the RAF (Red Army Faction) Kidnapped and murdered people and did several bombings.
You certainly wouldn't wat the state to do whatever it takes because that will affect even you in a not very nice way.
ok - so then let's just get the word out that we are going to allow terrorists to do whatever they want and that we are too much a liberal pussy to go after them with all the force and power -- because we are too retarded and get in our own way.
@rasalghul5555: Agreed. That's how terrorism works. But neither the war in Iraq nor the war in Afghanistan will put an end to terrorism. What's sad is that there's been so much lying by e.g. the CIA which was completely unnecessary. A more laid-back and matter-of-fact attitude would help. Appealing to the lowest instincts of people for the sake of justifying any rule-breaking (not only the terrorists do that) is a shame. And it destroys any notion of standing on ethical high ground.
@rasalghul5555:Personal experience and historical evidence. Look at how fucked up the conflict was and still is in Northern Ireland. Or the great paranoia in Germany that everybody with long hair was a terrorist, back in the seventies/eighties.
I don't think you need to be an expert to see that thinking before doing something is the right way. Bush did ignore this common sense knowledge and what did we get? Did we find WMDs in Iraq? No. Did we find Bin Laden? No.
the problem with people like you is that you are very good at criticizing decisions after the fact but can never really provide solutions that will keep us safe in the future. Being a Monday morning quarterback does not really do any good.
@rasalghul5555: The current "solution" doesn't seem to have worked that good. Since when is criticism only allowed to people who know an alternative solution? Maybe there's not a "one size fits all" solution. But that would be unacceptable, I guess.
There comes a point when mere criticism of current processes only just become verbal masturbation. Tell me how we prevent this shit and I am all ears...otherwise most of these liberal, pussy arm chair quarterbacks need to shut up and know their place. I am tired of listening to lily white, suburban pussies telling us how we are going to combat some of the most dangerous men in the world.
@rasalghul5555: Two words: "Mission accomplished." Obviously the others who combat - nothing special, just combat - haven't been successful at all. Iraq is a mess, Afghanistan, too. Terrorist bombings all day (not in America, of course)...
Don't claim you have a solution. Nothing's been solved.
@jinkies82 Yep America the evil uses these techniques to get false confessions out of a group that attacked the US on 9/11, lol good one! That's a great joke really. :)
@jinkies82: The only ones who got really valuable information were the FBI. And, that might surprise many people, by plain interrogation. Torture just produces garbage, not information.
yes we an't be nice to them but really the middle east is a very holtile place at the moment and really we shouldn't be torrtureing them because it just gives them motivations to turn out these terror attacks, we should be solving our problems with theses groups with mature talks what got us in to this mess was going the in to things with out a level head. and the only way to write our selves is instead of using pure force (which has gotten us no where in the last decade) we should be pulling...
away for that tarin of thought. and we should stop pussy footing around the real prblems in the middle east. we should be using deplomacey and mature talks firstly. then secondly only as a last resort force if nessasay. and "these muslums" are probabaly saying that were american pigs and were the onces that are insane. but we must remember that both sides of this conflict are human beings with brthers, sisters, mother, fathers, sons and daugthers, with emotions and dreams. and wemusttreatthem...
We should not torture, but I seriously doubt that is the reason these terrorists attacked/will attack us. Their major reason against US is Israel.
I also do not believe any talks with these people will help. Hilter is a great example. British Prime Minister Chamberlain's greatest mistake was his decided to talk to Hilter.
no matter what a person has done they don't deserv the extreams of having to be torture barbaricly day in and day out your a pig for thinking that this is okay to "free america" you make me sick the usa was build on certian principals which they need to remember it this time of uncertianty in our world not just go to the next easyest thing
I will now use something you seem to not be very familiar with. I am of course speaking of logic. IT HAPPENED AFTER.
Do you know what waterboarding involves? The LIGHT version of it. Is that you lay someone on their back, with their arms and legs tied, and cover their head with a black hood. You then take a towel and lay it over the person's mouth and nose. You then procede to pour water over the towel and make the person "feel" like they are drowning. When in fact, they are.
Are you saying torture works? You are aware the 'techniques' you seem to support were taken from a communist Chinese manual on how to torture false confessions out of people? THAT'S what you support?
Read up on the Minnesota FBI agent that was REPRIMANDED for wanting to investigate one of the hijackers. Or the PDB that was ignored while *Bush vacationed, etc. Google Richard Clarke.
What a pathetic, thoroughly debunked, straw-man you present that is not worthy of anything but derision.
Stop using propaganda to make people sway to your side of thinking. 9/11 was for seen by the whole fucking bush administration, would you be willing to vote democrat to have better handled 9/11? i didn't fucking think so.
Its not the way he handled 9/11 that up set me. Personally i think many more lives could have been lost, and a lot of people aren't willing to admit that. The air lines and the administration a like ignored the warnings this never had to happen to begin with. How in 8 years do we go from anti-any news that can start an epidemic to nothing but swine flu anthrax propaganda.
Quick response to evacuating the buildings. Those fire fighters in New York worked there asses off, along with civilians to get people out before that second plan quote on quote hit. I take that back bush didn't handle it well but the civilians did the best they could.
In retrospect what really was his "job". He failed to get the warning out, he failed to take precaution against a known threat, and most importantly he failed at putting America first.
Playing politics with someone who murdered innocent AMERICANS! and as for you so called 'Americans' that dont agree with information retrieval conducted on known terrorist or sympathizers of terrorism, then maybe you should take their spot! You cant run a business thats been bombed out, with dead employees!!! Or you cant go to work knowing your number can be up! Unless you like working under a 'DEAD LINE'.......
agreed...its not like its any worse then waht they'd do to us. You'd still be alive and well when they start cutting your head off with a pocket knife
I'm A Republican all the way. But there is this really cool rap that is for Obama. It's called Obama A Millie Remix. Go and Listen to it its really cool.
For all of you Republicans and hard core military and paramilitary people, I will agree to make waterboarding an every day tool in the war on terrorism, mafia, and corrupted cops, if and only if, every single person who is healthy enough to withstand this technique, must experience it for real at least once in their lifetime. That includes all of the Republicans, Democrats, Independents inlcuding males and females. What do you think about that hardcore GOP?
This video is straight propaganda. i dont even support Mccain and I can tell you this is straight lie. Mccain actually introduced a bill which specifially bans waterboarding and has said a million and one times hes against the use of it. I dont know whos worse the government or people with a laptop, allot of time and an agenda.
waterboarding is torture. thats fact. but what is also fact is that water boarding saved lives. bush put his reputation on the line to save people lives, and that should mean something to you people. idk about any of you people, but if my family anf friends were killed by an act of terrorism that could have been stopped from water boarding, i would be devestated that they didnt do it.
RESTxINxPIECEZ 2 days ago
hey you fucks, guess what. Homosapiens are animals also.
yoyoboy70 6 months ago
@yoyoboy70
We're only animals if we choose to be.
robonightmare 3 months ago
do you relize that russian's will strap cords to your testicals and electricute you?
That is probally alot worse than watebroarding, it doesnt even harm you really, it just feels like your drowning, and those desert towl heads dont even take baths let alone be around water.
ww2production 8 months ago
@ww2production Another internet tough guy eh? Id love to see how long you;d last water boarded.
GoodEvenings 8 months ago
@GoodEvenings nope, just explaining how we finally find some good way of torture and we think its wrong when other countrys pretty much make you wish you wernt alive when they torture you and you seem to think your such a tough guy yourself that cute,
ww2production 8 months ago
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Water boarding is not what you think. In reality the subject is strapped to a board and dropped headfirst into a 55 gallon drum filled with water. When the subject stops thrashing they are pulled out and revived. Rinse and repeat as many times as necessary.
biguglycreek 1 year ago
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Water boarding is not what you think. In reality the subject is strapped to a board and dropped headfirst into a 55 gallon drum filled with water. When the subject stops thrashing they are pulled out and revived. Rinse and repeat as many times as necessary.
biguglycreek 1 year ago
FUCK USA
nvidiafighter33 1 year ago
slime ball FUCK. I'm so glad he didn't win the presidency. I mean, we're left with Obama but I'd take bad policy over evil tyrant.
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
Why are people like him alive? Ugh
2aucey 1 year ago
One day we are going to pass on the opportunity to get information that can save thousands of American lives because we are too afraid to get the info and act on it when there is still an opportunity to do so. At that time I want all these politically correct pussies to stand up and say they would rather have thousands of Americans die then one terrorist get water-boarded.
It is too easy to just say water-boarding is no good. You have to say what u are willing to sacrifice even to not waterboar
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555 thousands die to give us the nation we have. thousands more to maintain it. Then we turn around and for a hand full of hours of safety deprive our children and grandchildren of the our soldiers fought to provide and preserve.
to hell with principles, rule of laws, morals, righteousness, when we can have a few more hours of pretended safety.
Soldiers who die to provide us with a nation built on principles means nothing to you. Its not political-correctness but Correctness
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
do you consider 9/11 just a few hours of terror or do you think the effects have much longer lasting effects? Every time I take my shoes off and get an anal probe by TSA just when I want to get on a plane shows that these fucking terrorists are fucking with our lives a decade after their chicken shit attack.
Put them in a burlap bag and drop them in a river
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
YES... THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS...A FEW HOURS...
Does the lives of the people in trade-center(god rest them) count more than the thousands who died in uniform serving to provide us with a nation based on good sound principles.
We so freely give up our bravest and best just to turn around and spit in there faces saying we dont want the good righteous nation you provided. We want to run things like Iraq. bad men came and scared us so we give up being what you hoped us to be.
homersparents 1 year ago
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@homersparents
It is obvious you are living in a fantasy world and you never had to face real fear in your sheltered life
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
forget due process of law just throw people into the river. guilty not guilty who cares there all towel heads right...
how about try them and put them to death the principled way. trial by jury is too important of a principle to just throw it away cuz the bad guys are awful scary.
how quickly your willing give up the great America and replace it with a very nasty replica under a similar name and none of the former quality.
you sir are a coward of cowards.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
SO easy to call someone a coward and pretend to take the high road in these matters. the truth is it is not such an easy black and white - "torture bad" scenario - I was it can be.
Let me ask you a simple question -- if torturing one person could lead to saving the lives of thousands of Americans - would you do it?
Please answer this hypothetical question and not evade by saying torture does not yield good info. This is a simple test question.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
when you forget your principles everything seems like values of gray. Get some Principles. LIVE BY THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY OF YOUR LIFE. or die an animal. die like an Iraqi. no honor in dieing a coward. A nation without Principles is no nation but a band of savages ruling over each other at the whim of the times..
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
so I take from your comments if faced with the choice, you will rather have thousands of Americans die then splash water on some ignorant, misguided terrorist. Is that an example of the principles you live by?
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
you said some terrorist right this assumes they have had a trial by there piers and have been found guilty of a crime...
or are you just grabbing every towel head of the street and splashing them.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
no - I am saying let's extract info with reasonable cause.
I do not want to waste tax dollars just harassing ppl for no good reason
Come on - let's use some common sense here.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
The answer to your question is no.
Principled people can't remain principled and yet do as they would wish. emotion or no emotion involved we must maintain our principles.
NOTE: all people, some day or other, die. some with honer and some without it. may you be remembered in the way you lived.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
You are so full of shit -- you like to pretend to take the high road while ppl like me actually face the tough decisions and decide to make the choice that will save American lives. You benefit from the hard decisions ppl like me are willing to make and then you cower in your sanctimonious, liberal BS and feel good about yourself when all you do is make the world less safe for Americans.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
are you out of your mind
liberal
I am no liberal
i am RON PAUL CONSERVATIVE...and a veteran...
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
I do not consider myself a liberal or a conservative - just a plain spoken citizen using common sense
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
yeah you do. you proclaim the opposite of whatever liberal is to you. you proclaim liberals as that which is ruining our chances of being safe. you proclaim opposition to liberal thinking. yet your the most liberal person demanding government cause a the world to be a safe place for you.
demanding that the government make a safe place for you cost us all our liberty. demanding the nation become a evil place cost us our good nation
whats next heath-care and housing.
homersparents 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
Really, is it all that hard to let your ideas and principles go to hell. yeah sounds like your struggling. A tougher decision would be to hold ones ground and stand-fast to the principles that make you a great nation even at the cost of life.
Are the lives of those lost in terrorist acts worth more to you than those of us who where willing to die to protect the America, founded on principles. soldiers gave you a principled nation...would you let it go so cheaply.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
I see you stil refuse to answer my question - if water boarding one suspect meant saving the lives of thousands of Americans - would you do it.
Don't go sideways on this question and start saying torture does not get good info. In this hypothetical - it will. I am just curious how far you really believe what yuo are saying.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
The safe nation your dreaming up cant exist in the same space as the one the founders intended. The nation your imagining is an evil creature, a new IRAQ.
the founders didn't give us a safety clause.They gave a a PRINCIPLED NATION. based on the RULE OF LAW...
The founders expected you to stand the wall and sacrifice to protect that great cause of liberty, freedom and self-reliance. but you give up on it in hopes of a little PRETEND SAFETY. We all die its just a matter of how.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
wow - the sad shit is you actually believe your sanctimonious BS but i bet if it really came down to it - you would give up all this BS talk about "principles" if it meant saving your own ass or your family's. You are just a coward that will not admit the truth.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555
there again we are not tallking about what an individual impassioned by his animal sense of revenge or his feelings towards his family should or would be....remember a linch-mob has good intensions but are motivated by passion rather than justice. Saying i bet you would torture is not fair question because i am an individual easily swayed by strong passions. the LAW MUST REMAIN PASSIONLESS.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents
I understand that old maxim that society does not necessarily want the parents of a murdered child to sentence the murderer's punishment. However, what we need to decide as a society is how do we realistically confront terrorist based on their tactics. You appear to be someone who lives in a vacuum and not connected to the real world. You would be someone who probably feels soldiers need to wear bright red coats and beat a drum before battle or else they are not real soldiers
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
All you dumbass people you never been waterboarded and claim its not torture. TRY IT....You will be crying like daddy is letting you drown in the pool on your first swim. It simulates drowning dip shits...The feeling of "I am going to die". Thats why the CIA uses it.
swollenpickle09 1 year ago
I got waterboarded today (in a controlled setting) to see how bad it is, and even controlled and being waterboarded lightly is fucking HORRIBLE. I support McCain.
BeatMouse 1 year ago
Torture is no joke! Virtually all the politicos are reps for controllers... Reagan=ray gun, Bush=burning,Obama=bomb, Mc Cain=you get the cane. Forget the pope=go see god (death).
Nueroactive 1 year ago
McCain is the only politician/pundit who has been waterboarded in non-controlled settings. That is, in the same way that we waterboard detainees.
LukeShetler 1 year ago
THERE YOU HAVE IT: IF JOHN MCCAIN SAYS IT'S TORTURE, THEN IT'S TORTURE! DEBATE CLOSED!
0Oclockmusic 1 year ago
I wonder how the 3,000 people who died on 9.11 would feel about dripping water down KSM's throat...
retownsend 1 year ago
IF i am shot in the head in combat and by miracle of medicine i survive. i will be a totally different person than the one i was going to be otherwise.
on the other hand if i get shot in the arm i can still remain what i was intellectually.
so are we shot in the arm and still the greatest nation on the face of the earth. or are we shot in the head and forever changed . freedom independence liberty justice. which of those do your replace with thoughtless brutality and revenge.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents who are u talking too?
mountaincokemonkey 1 year ago
@mountaincokemonkey
you,anyone
my point is simple
are we changed forever into a nation of revenging animals unable to understand the high value of due process of the law our founders set forth?
we should be the most righteous nation on the face of the earth not the most willing to bend our own rules.
homersparents 1 year ago
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flyboymd82 no of course water boarding isn't torture. Sending captives to Guantanamo, putting them naked, throwing cold water on them, having barking dogs, sensory deprivation, water boarding and other actions are not torture of course not lmao.
Man get real, if they didn't torture them there would be no need to take them illegally to a prison in Cuba and elsewhere around the world.
xdeliriumx1 1 year ago
Suicidal fucking libtards! Waterboarding isn't torture, what happened to McCain at the Hanoi Hilton is torture!
Screw those rag-heads! There is only ONE way to deal with them, HARSHLY!
flyboymd82 2 years ago
your mom screwed those "ragheads"
sm194006 2 years ago
@sm194006
sm194006, What a snappy reply. Take long to think of it libtard? Does mommy know you're playing on youtube again?
flyboymd82 2 years ago
@flyboymd82 Wow, just wow... I bet you would love Nazi Germany...
evildude220 1 year ago
You just contradicted yourself. If anyone knows torture, it is John McCain. So if he says that waterboarding is torture, then he is telling the truth. If it wasn't torture it would be legal and people would probably do it as an excercise or professional sport. Fucking redneck.
DrDooM24PBK 1 year ago
heh, you are just about as bad as terrorists if you cause terror to them. no-one, no-one should be put under torture. You are sinking down to their level. And the fact that you call them rag heads is just about as bad. Imagine this world where whites were not the 'superior' (and i use that term very loosely) race.
cazmaestro 1 year ago
you are dumb, mccain even said its torture so stfu please
Ovito85 1 year ago
What do you say to the parent who waterboarded his 7 year old daughter? Is he not wrong?
Waterboarding IS torture, if you don't think so I would love to see you give it a shot.
When due process is ignored we are participating in a totalitarian system.
ReallyPsilly 1 year ago
Nazzi
tom123ek 2 years ago
Im the one that usally tells people to have an open mind. Maybe the CIA had a hand in it, maybe not. I consider myself a logical person, faith, conspiracy and speculation mean nothing to me. Show me facts! Im not saying your wrong, but simply that evidence says otherwise.
TNMarksman 2 years ago
Well with all things being equal i would have to agree but the facts aren't all there so the evidence has to show the way, so if you only look for the facts right up front you may find yourself being fooled by people who removed the proof and facts, and unless you can play detective and follow the clues you may never have the facts and the truth.
billybonds007 2 years ago
Damn right!...Eye for eye! These people who defend the terrorist rights disgust me. This is OUR country and the people who plot deadly attacks on innocent civillians should not think they can do so and then get a fucking slap on the wrist! Anyone who intends to harm the US should know without a doubt that there will be hell to pay, yes you will be tourtured, yes its gonna hurt, yes its even possible you will be killed. I mean after all your the one that flew a fucking airplane into OUR buildings
TNMarksman 2 years ago
You need to find the source before you attack what's being broadcast and fed into your brain my native 'friend'. People have fought and died to PROTECT your country and right now it is being torn apart by the very system that has been put in place by your own people. It's exactly what they want you to believe, they're winning. Just have an open mind is all I ask of anybody, do your OWN research rather than rely on an unreliable source.
deandavo 2 years ago
Waterboard the terrorists PLEASE!! Waterboarding is for terrorists like the ones who killed Americans on 9/11 and want to destroy this whole country! Terrorists ARE ENEMIES!! They are a serious danger to our nation!! Get it? Why don't those who hate waterboarding on terrorists go live with them, go ahead, and see how long you last you traitors!!! They would execute you in a second!
1NationUnder1God3in1 2 years ago
"Waterboarding is for terrorists like the ones who killed Americans on 9/11 and want to destroy this whole country!"... That would be Americans themselves then. You are already living amongst the terrorists in your country, the sooner you learn this the better. Don't just asume, do some fucking research. Hate is a strong word but I HATE people who jump to conclusions based on one persons word.
deandavo 2 years ago
I've read your comments and I think you need to communicate more specifically what you are talking about....My mind reading abilities are not up to par these days so, are you thinking our government planned and carried out 9/11? I'm not sure, so let me know if that's what you meant and I will elaborate on my comment. Whatever the case may be, the muslim terrorists were definitely involved and therefore the CIA wouldn't be wrong in forcing info from them.
1NationUnder1God3in1 2 years ago
Alot of people who believe in what I believe in actually don't know much about it, which is why I ask people to have an open mind no matter who sounds right. It's not so much the American government 'carried out' the plans of 9/11 but more they funded it, stood back and allowed it to happen. 2 commercial planes endangering the lives of thousands of people.. the second plane would not and should not have been allowed to get remotely close to the towers.
deandavo 2 years ago
9/11 was a wake up call to many people. A lot of people realised what has been going on for many decades, even centuries to some level. Former CIA officials have confirmed the continued use of mind control after they supposedly ceased it. People have died mysteriously before being known to have wanted to release information. Fighting evil with evil only creates evil.
deandavo 2 years ago
Actually your speaking more like a traitor and may not even know it.
You're right about the terrorists wanting to destroy America and in fact if torture is used and accepted then people like you are helping these people win, its not about defending the terrorists its about not becoming what they ARE using TERROR like they are, America doesn't torture, why? because its wrong and doing right is America!
Liberty is what America is about take that away, they win, torture is anti-American!
billybonds007 2 years ago 8
No one is defending the terrorist, they should be brought to justice and America can do that without selling out and becoming less, its more admirable and says more about America too not torture then every time we feel like we are in danger just throwing your morals away, do you want everyone to think that is America?
America is the good guy, sure if we become like them we will be all super safe, but whats the point without it being American and having rights and freedoms.
torture is wrong!
billybonds007 2 years ago
the geneva convention is for smaller countries
tom123ek 2 years ago
I'm sorry you believe that.
Polar515 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about?
Darkmind1970 1 year ago
didn't get it ?
tom123ek 1 year ago
Republicunts
tubeyou443 2 years ago
Water boarding is illegal. In the words of Michael Bluth....It doesn't matter who.
42Stretch 2 years ago 18
@42Stretch Dumbass enemy combatants aren't US citizens lol you're dumb! :)
mistercrazydudeful 1 year ago
@mistercrazydudeful: In fact "enemy combatants" is a term made up for legal reasons in the US. It's military/legal newspeak to justify any form of violence against these people.
The combatant status is already defined in the Geneva Conventions and these definitions and procedures how to treat them differ from US newspeak.
By the way, any American could become an enemy combatant. The president just has to say so. ;) Ah, life's so much easier without rules.
albedoshader 1 year ago
john mcain is a fag thats one of the reasons obama is president
mr400ex12 2 years ago
Wow, such deep insight. I hope your 12 years old.
42Stretch 2 years ago
If it was me... and I had Kalick Mohammad captured....water-boarding would be the warm-ups.
HCGHollywood 2 years ago
Easy to say, tough guy. Easy to say.
I'm so glad you're willing to toss out the ethical foundations of this country for a modicum of revenge.
SonofBlacula 2 years ago 3
SonofBlacula,
I like a lot of things about the US, and truly think it is a role model for other countries in many respects.
But, what do you mean by ethical foundations? Can you expand on that?
Vietnam? How you dealt with German and Japanese civilians during WWII? Slavery? The Natives?
I think it's more of an evolution of thought, rather than foundations, no? It's only in the recent past that the US has become an intellectual and cultural center.
SoftwareEngineer3 2 years ago
So you want to out terrorzise these people?
chertzle 2 years ago
Petraeus intimates that we did torture and break the law here:
GENERAL PETRAEUS: ...take away from our enemies a tool which again they've beaten us around the head and shoulders in the court of public opinion."
"When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Convention, we rightly have been criticized... it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena..."
- Quote 2 days ago - find on google
vonKressenstein 2 years ago
If it was one of us getting tortured over in the middle east, the UN would be all over that, and the country charged with crimes against humanity.... But we're bigger so we can do what we want. And clearly anyone who supports water boarding and torture is a fucking retard.(And these people can vote HA!)
speeeed69 2 years ago
Well, I tend to agree with you, but in the end, nothing is really black and white (unless you are a fanatic). You can't think of any scenario in which you would approve of torture? I can help you think of one, and you can work from there. You could argue that it's a slippery slope, and should be nipped at the bud, but that might be taking the supposed moral high ground, and the easy way out - and really, when you are not the one making the decisions and bearing the responsibility, it is easy.
SoftwareEngineer3 2 years ago
Its torture, its not torture, blah blah blah
You are all eating it up, they want you to argue, dont you guys realize that this is just another ploy to destract your attention from something else? Like the red, white and blue cock you're getting fucked by everyday. They make you focus on one thing so then can slip something bigger by you.
SteadyDeadlyEddie 2 years ago
so whats the "something else" that your talking about Chomsky?
ColossalRofl 2 years ago
Who knows, but I'll bet you there is something, there always is.
SteadyDeadlyEddie 2 years ago
McCain is one the the biggest liar alive =)
wamji84 2 years ago
Torture. Where do we draw the line?
cellblockearth 2 years ago
Torture.
degree7 2 years ago
Malecaust666:
Are you crazy?
desenfantsterrible 2 years ago
Earth to TWA Flight T! Brits burned DC, Madison threw in over illegal establishment, letting GONY get in, Lincoln got shot, US drifted into a secret treaty with Victoria, who invaded Palestine, 1882. 1893 US invasion of Hawaii proved a secret treaty, WHICH STARTED BOTH WWI AND WWII, tardies. La Palma and Atlantic and Pacific trenches will spit tsunamis at you, over waterboarding for Israel, when JEWS ARE FROM ETHIOPIA and then from THE PURPLE GANG or NATUREI KARTA, not both. 360.yahoo/bobgnote
bobgnote1 2 years ago
No shit everyone knows Jews are Ethiopians. Blacks have claim to the original Israelites.
Metalrockisgay 2 years ago
Google or youtube: Neils Harrit. Danish scientist. RE: 9/11
seekYEthetruth 2 years ago
with the respect that we would with present to ur own friends. Mabey if we were to put this practise in to play than mabey the great nation of the united states of america would have less enimies.
pacifickid9 2 years ago
Do you realize we are not dealing with sane people here! These Muslims are nuts! You would not waterboard three people to save 3000 on 9/11! Do you realy think if we are nice to the muslims they will be nice to us! That is not how it works!
realbeefboy 2 years ago
These people strap bombs to themselves and their children. You really think they're afraid of being waterboarded?
There is no DOCUMENTED case of waterboarding yielding valid information.
Torture is a good fuckin way to get false information though
Malecaust666 2 years ago 3
lol it doesnt matter if ur "afraid" of being waterbaorded or not, when u r going through the sensation of drowning ur brain does not function properly and u panic, i dont care how tough u are, that is why waterboarding is such an effective interrogation technique, some may last lojnger then otehrs but noboody can resist waterboarding, it is torture and thats the end ofi t
tupacIzAlive33 2 years ago
Cheny claims these techniques work after 30 some seconds... Yet they waterboarded the guy 184 times... Are ya fuckin kidding me?
Torture is a GREAT way to get information ya... WRONG information. Someone who needs to talk to save their lives will say ANYTHING.
I would confess to the columbine murders if i had to if i was being tortured
Malecaust666 2 years ago
That guy is a beast to even be alive.
littleredbirdy 2 years ago
Waterboarding gets false confessions. We should not torture, we are not animals.
jinkies82 2 years ago 17
You mean false information? I don't think they used it for confessions!
SoftwareEngineer3 2 years ago
@jinkies82 animals don't torture
wowspare 1 year ago 10
@wowspare
yes they do
tigers sometimes play with their food.
homersparents 1 year ago
@homersparents How is that torture? A Tiger playing with it's food is just that. You'd have to be a down home-baked moron to think that analogy is on par with intentional torture such as a human is capable of. Those who torture others are no better than the terrorists IMO.
ponchred 1 year ago
@wowspare Some animals play with there food alive before eating it, If i were the animal getting tossed around then eaten I'd consider that being tortured. But that's just me.
knoble430 1 year ago
@knoble430 Playing with food is a long way from a malicious act against one of your own kind. The difference is intention.
ponchred 1 year ago
@ponchred Yeah I agree but I gave that answer to a guy that said " animals don't torture" and like I said if i was one of the animals being tossed around i'd consider myself being tortured.
knoble430 1 year ago
@knoble430 So, if you were being thrown around by say, a tiger as it prepared to snack on your delicate insides, you'd seriously shout 'Help, this Tiger is intentionally torturing me!' Or would you silently consider it torture purely because the experience is unpleasant? In either case, the Tiger is not mauling you because you have a different religious belief, because it hates humans or because it thinks you're withholding vital Tiger secrets, it's doing it because it wants to eat. Not torture.
ponchred 1 year ago
@ponchred There are videos and photo sequences of bobcats methodically killing rattlesnakes and not taking so much as a nibble of it's flesh, so was just doing it for??????????????????? People want to put animals on a platform above them in expressions of self loathing, Dolphins rape and commit what humans would term "hate crimes" against other Dolphin speacies but humans are the only animal that "tortures" But then you seem to have formed your opinion on animal behavior from Disney movies...
greentexian 9 months ago
@greentexian I grew up on a farm, ass. Animals do not 'torture' other animals out of malice. Dolphins do not 'rape'. That's a term you put on it purely to try to validate your view that animals do torture each other with maniacal hatred and glee. Dolphins purely mate as dolphins have evolved to do so. Spiders and other animals eat their mates, however it's not because their a different religion, rather once again it's as they are wont to do. Humans beings are the only animals capable of torture.
ponchred 8 months ago
p@ponchred Yes you grew up on a farm, with domesticated animals. Well guess what dumbass dolphins are wild animals and will rape other dolphins. Yes and it has been documented by scientists you silly ass hat. Dophins also engage in homosexual intercourse imagine that! So in the future I hope you are raped by a "purely" gay dolphin you silly fucking mung.
greentexian 8 months ago
@greentexian Dolphins engage in homosexual rape as a form of ATTACK on unwanted, interloping males, desire has nothing to do with it. If they had fists instead of flippers, there would be no ambiguity. Judging from many of your comments, "Asshat" as you call it appears to be your own favored apparel.
tinyflyonthewall 8 months ago
@greentexian Of course. Farms only have domesticated animals (rolls eyes). Dolphins rape other dolphins do they? So there's a dolphin victim that goes to a dolphin cop and files the dolphin police report, I suppose? Perhaps a dolphin slipped another dolphin a ruphie? But seriously, animals aren't criminals. They run on instinct. Like your dolphins 'raping'. Are you sure they're not just having animal sex? Once again, animals don't torture, and I'm sorry I made you so angry, greentexian.
ponchred 8 months ago
@ponchred Are you going to address the fact that dolphins rape other dolphins or are you just going to act like a facetious cunt? Sorry if facts disturb you, it has been scientifically documented on multiple occasions that dolphins commit gang rape on unwilling females. Sorry I had to bust your Disneyfied view of nature all to hell, maybe you should try to actually learn something you ridiculous asshat
greentexian 8 months ago
@greentexian And in any case, if you were a bobcat up against a poisonous rattlesnake, would you not try to take it out methodically so as not to get bitten? As opposed to the bobcat trying to 'torture' something out of the rattlesnake, because that makes no sense whatsoever.
ponchred 8 months ago
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@ponchred Mother gerbils may eat their own kids.
Zero2562130 7 months ago
@wowspare House cat's torture mice.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@wowspare Cats play with mice entrails. Shut up.
Zero2562130 7 months ago
@jinkies82 It didn't get false confessions from KSM.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
@jinkies82 Animals is overestimation as even animals know that torture doesn't work.
kytta 1 year ago
@jinkies82
getting false info and not torturing because we feel it is immoral is two different arguments. All too often pussies combine these arguments in order to avoid confronting some tough questions about how we combat terrorism and filth in this world.
For instance - if there was agreement torture did yield accurate info - would you ok water boarding if it would save thoussands of American lives.
u see liberals refuse to answer this question and go sideways on this point all the time.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: Being against torture is just being sane. And saying that torture just leads to false information does not imply torture should be legal if it would result in useful information. Your logic is wrong.
It just states two things in one sentence. Torture is against any western ethical standard (USA excluded) and furthermore it's useless.
You can't wage war against terror. Terror is not a people.
Being against torture is not avoiding the tough questions. Your argument is silly..
albedoshader 1 year ago
@albedoshader
I agree - I do not want to "wage war" on terror - i want us to be much more savvy about deterring terror - do whatever it takes
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: "Whatever it takes" - as long as you won't be affected by it :) We had a pretty similar situation here in Germany when the RAF (Red Army Faction) Kidnapped and murdered people and did several bombings.
You certainly wouldn't wat the state to do whatever it takes because that will affect even you in a not very nice way.
albedoshader 1 year ago
@albedoshader
ok - so then let's just get the word out that we are going to allow terrorists to do whatever they want and that we are too much a liberal pussy to go after them with all the force and power -- because we are too retarded and get in our own way.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: Ah, power, hmmm, force.... I like the smell of napalm in the morning. That sounds so manly and simple...and stupid.
Without mentioning pussies an argumentation doesn't seem to be possible. That's sad.
albedoshader 1 year ago
@albedoshader
what is sad is the terrorists go not have any rules they abide by but we are running into each other like a bunch of retards
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: Agreed. That's how terrorism works. But neither the war in Iraq nor the war in Afghanistan will put an end to terrorism. What's sad is that there's been so much lying by e.g. the CIA which was completely unnecessary. A more laid-back and matter-of-fact attitude would help. Appealing to the lowest instincts of people for the sake of justifying any rule-breaking (not only the terrorists do that) is a shame. And it destroys any notion of standing on ethical high ground.
albedoshader 1 year ago
@albedoshader
"A more laid-back and matter-of-fact attitude would help..."
Really? where did you get this piece of expertise?
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
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albedoshader 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555:Personal experience and historical evidence. Look at how fucked up the conflict was and still is in Northern Ireland. Or the great paranoia in Germany that everybody with long hair was a terrorist, back in the seventies/eighties.
I don't think you need to be an expert to see that thinking before doing something is the right way. Bush did ignore this common sense knowledge and what did we get? Did we find WMDs in Iraq? No. Did we find Bin Laden? No.
albedoshader 1 year ago
@albedoshader
the problem with people like you is that you are very good at criticizing decisions after the fact but can never really provide solutions that will keep us safe in the future. Being a Monday morning quarterback does not really do any good.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: The current "solution" doesn't seem to have worked that good. Since when is criticism only allowed to people who know an alternative solution? Maybe there's not a "one size fits all" solution. But that would be unacceptable, I guess.
albedoshader 1 year ago
@albedoshader
There comes a point when mere criticism of current processes only just become verbal masturbation. Tell me how we prevent this shit and I am all ears...otherwise most of these liberal, pussy arm chair quarterbacks need to shut up and know their place. I am tired of listening to lily white, suburban pussies telling us how we are going to combat some of the most dangerous men in the world.
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: Why this female genital fetishism?
Tellus where's our place, then? In pussy-camps?
albedoshader 1 year ago
@albedoshader
I am always interested in female genitals...aren't you...?
Not sure what that has to do the fact the people that are most clueless about combating terrorism are the most vocal and annoying about it
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: Two words: "Mission accomplished." Obviously the others who combat - nothing special, just combat - haven't been successful at all. Iraq is a mess, Afghanistan, too. Terrorist bombings all day (not in America, of course)...
Don't claim you have a solution. Nothing's been solved.
albedoshader 1 year ago
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@albedoshader
"Don't claim you have a solution. Nothing's been solved."
Are you now basically repeating what I am saying?
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@albedoshader
We need to let terrorist know that since they do not follow any sovereign rules - neither will we when it comes to dealing with their kind
rasalghul5555 1 year ago
@rasalghul5555: They know. But that doesn't seem to frightem them much.
albedoshader 1 year ago
@jinkies82 Yep America the evil uses these techniques to get false confessions out of a group that attacked the US on 9/11, lol good one! That's a great joke really. :)
mistercrazydudeful 1 year ago
@jinkies82 really, if they were waterboarding you, and you gave a false confession and they found out, would you still be lying
TyberZane 1 year ago
@TyberZane: Well, you may not be ready to die for an ideology but those islamic terrorists are. They proved that many times.
albedoshader 1 year ago
@jinkies82: The only ones who got really valuable information were the FBI. And, that might surprise many people, by plain interrogation. Torture just produces garbage, not information.
albedoshader 1 year ago
IDIOTS!
realbeefboy 2 years ago
yes we an't be nice to them but really the middle east is a very holtile place at the moment and really we shouldn't be torrtureing them because it just gives them motivations to turn out these terror attacks, we should be solving our problems with theses groups with mature talks what got us in to this mess was going the in to things with out a level head. and the only way to write our selves is instead of using pure force (which has gotten us no where in the last decade) we should be pulling...
pacifickid9 2 years ago
away for that tarin of thought. and we should stop pussy footing around the real prblems in the middle east. we should be using deplomacey and mature talks firstly. then secondly only as a last resort force if nessasay. and "these muslums" are probabaly saying that were american pigs and were the onces that are insane. but we must remember that both sides of this conflict are human beings with brthers, sisters, mother, fathers, sons and daugthers, with emotions and dreams. and wemusttreatthem...
pacifickid9 2 years ago
We should not torture, but I seriously doubt that is the reason these terrorists attacked/will attack us. Their major reason against US is Israel.
I also do not believe any talks with these people will help. Hilter is a great example. British Prime Minister Chamberlain's greatest mistake was his decided to talk to Hilter.
Chemicalkinetics 2 years ago
Would you be willing to waterboard 3 individuals to prevent the 2,974 deaths on September 11, 2001?
RaleighRepubican2012 2 years ago
no matter what a person has done they don't deserv the extreams of having to be torture barbaricly day in and day out your a pig for thinking that this is okay to "free america" you make me sick the usa was build on certian principals which they need to remember it this time of uncertianty in our world not just go to the next easyest thing
pacifickid9 2 years ago 2
I will now use something you seem to not be very familiar with. I am of course speaking of logic. IT HAPPENED AFTER.
Do you know what waterboarding involves? The LIGHT version of it. Is that you lay someone on their back, with their arms and legs tied, and cover their head with a black hood. You then take a towel and lay it over the person's mouth and nose. You then procede to pour water over the towel and make the person "feel" like they are drowning. When in fact, they are.
So fuck off!
GoHiltyGo 2 years ago
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Seldona 2 years ago
Are you saying torture works? You are aware the 'techniques' you seem to support were taken from a communist Chinese manual on how to torture false confessions out of people? THAT'S what you support?
Read up on the Minnesota FBI agent that was REPRIMANDED for wanting to investigate one of the hijackers. Or the PDB that was ignored while *Bush vacationed, etc. Google Richard Clarke.
What a pathetic, thoroughly debunked, straw-man you present that is not worthy of anything but derision.
Seldona 2 years ago
Stop using propaganda to make people sway to your side of thinking. 9/11 was for seen by the whole fucking bush administration, would you be willing to vote democrat to have better handled 9/11? i didn't fucking think so.
Metalrockisgay 2 years ago
A Child with autism could have handled 9/11 better.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
Its not the way he handled 9/11 that up set me. Personally i think many more lives could have been lost, and a lot of people aren't willing to admit that. The air lines and the administration a like ignored the warnings this never had to happen to begin with. How in 8 years do we go from anti-any news that can start an epidemic to nothing but swine flu anthrax propaganda.
Metalrockisgay 2 years ago
A lot of lives could have been saved if they actually did something to prevent it after reading the CIA briefing.
How could many more lives have been lost?
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
Quick response to evacuating the buildings. Those fire fighters in New York worked there asses off, along with civilians to get people out before that second plan quote on quote hit. I take that back bush didn't handle it well but the civilians did the best they could.
Metalrockisgay 2 years ago
Exactly. Bush had nothing to do with the job the police and firefighters did.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
In retrospect what really was his "job". He failed to get the warning out, he failed to take precaution against a known threat, and most importantly he failed at putting America first.
Metalrockisgay 2 years ago
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angelsgurl 2 years ago
Yea thats a good way to treat a veteran angelsgurl.
Brian0275 2 years ago
Sure you would, you cunty bitch.
signature7 2 years ago
is he having a mild stroke?
moles9999 2 years ago 3
Mr President wat?
matimus54321 3 years ago 3
in context, the reporter's saying it as if it's in quotation marks - as if it was what mccain should have told gwbush.
but yeah, it made me raise an eyebrow too.
spinecraft 3 years ago
im thinking if im about to die im gonna say wahtever they want me to say, truth or not. "is it safe?" yup!
baldheadedsuperfreak 3 years ago
Mr. President???
0:13
yarondan 3 years ago
The host meant that the Senate was speaking to the President, not that McCain was the President.
ZergrushEddie 3 years ago 4
Playing politics with someone who murdered innocent AMERICANS! and as for you so called 'Americans' that dont agree with information retrieval conducted on known terrorist or sympathizers of terrorism, then maybe you should take their spot! You cant run a business thats been bombed out, with dead employees!!! Or you cant go to work knowing your number can be up! Unless you like working under a 'DEAD LINE'.......
the430movie 3 years ago
agreed...its not like its any worse then waht they'd do to us. You'd still be alive and well when they start cutting your head off with a pocket knife
aaronmyers1982 3 years ago
I'm A Republican all the way. But there is this really cool rap that is for Obama. It's called Obama A Millie Remix. Go and Listen to it its really cool.
ashmarissa2012 3 years ago
For all of you Republicans and hard core military and paramilitary people, I will agree to make waterboarding an every day tool in the war on terrorism, mafia, and corrupted cops, if and only if, every single person who is healthy enough to withstand this technique, must experience it for real at least once in their lifetime. That includes all of the Republicans, Democrats, Independents inlcuding males and females. What do you think about that hardcore GOP?
vld333333333 3 years ago
This video is straight propaganda. i dont even support Mccain and I can tell you this is straight lie. Mccain actually introduced a bill which specifially bans waterboarding and has said a million and one times hes against the use of it. I dont know whos worse the government or people with a laptop, allot of time and an agenda.
elbaum1975 3 years ago