WOW I can not believe that people would actually use this video to attempt to turn voters against Mr. Nelson! Clearly the title does NOT match the context. The message of Mr.Nelsons speech is that he works for his constituents and THAT is exactly what a representative is supposed to be doing. He was not in anyway wrong, and never did he say he was for slavery. He said he is for his constituents so stop taking his words out of context. I'm VERY glad Keith Nelson was re-elected again in 2010.
His hypocrisy knows no bounds apparently. I can hardly think of a better example of authoritarianism than trying to ban private citizens from recording public meetings- his latest endeavor. When said ban violates the Minnesota Open Meeting law as well as state and federal constitutional free speech rights I would have to lean toward calling that imposing his will upon the people.
I suppose when one makes a fool of himself in public meetings having it posted on YouTube can be quite humiliating.
He is correct that he is supposed to represent his constituents. I don't want a leader I want a representative, however, if such a request was made by the majority it would be the moral code of a respectable human being to either refuse to vote or resign in that situation. Mr Nelson either lacks that code or is such an epic buffoon that he would say anything to win an argument and save face. Let us hope it is the latter. Either way he is an embarrassment to my community and unfit for office.
Constitutionally limited democratic-republic is my understanding. It is referred to as a democracy loosely because the citizens elect their representatives (if you can pretend the electoral college doesn't exist ). In a true democracy every citizen would vote on every piece of legislation.
This commissioner is an idiot and shows how fucked up american politics is. Politicians have no mind of their own, and just do what is popular to get votes. Case in point, this fucker. They will play the religion card and try to win votes with dumbass christians. HEY LOOK AT ME! I BELIEVE IN FAIRYTALES FOR ADULTS! Fucking morons.
Well, who's with me in voting that guy gets a pay to match those of the working man? (as a result, he won't be able to buy anymore butterball turkeys and have to live on macaroni and cheese...)
Oh, I do see his point. He's a nitwit for using SLAVERY as an example. There are plenty of ways to patronize the audience without having to be excessively tacky.
Which was kind of the point... and he said yes. This guy lies up one side and down the other, willing to "represent his constituents" if they agree with him, and ignore them if they don't. Ready to suck up to Rukavena any day and twice on Sunday he's always saying that he has to do this or that to please Rukavena. Bottom line he does what's expedient and exercises scant leadership and less judgment. We can do better....
I wish he had used a more convincing issue than slavery... I thought we were a century or two beyond that. Seems he isn't, or at the very least has problems trying to enunciate sarcasm.
He is not the the one who brought it up, another commissioner asked him... If the issue were slavery, and if his constituents voted for it then would he represent themjob. He said he would because that is his JOB, his job is to represent his people.
First off Cottonman, you live in Cotton. Your 60 years old watching YouTube. Second off, the issue here was the smoking ban, he was against it because his people voted against it, and if his people voted for it then he would vote for it. I know with your education thats hard to understand but what he is trying to say is that he represents his people. If your soo much better then run against him, I dare you.
Slavery still exists in the world. There are lots of people who believe in it. Evil is alive and well in our time. This bible thumping fellow means exactly what he said.
You people are idiots if you think he was being racist, he was making a point. If anything blacks are more racist than whites these days because some of you do whatever you want and if you're called on it, it's because we're racist. You need to chill and figure out what your race is doing to itself in the eyes of other races.
you guys dont see his point.. he uses that has an example. his job is to push for what the majority of the citizens want. he used slavery as an example. in which case he would of did his job.
To all my BLACKS,MEXICAN,and all other races who were slaves get out and vote for the people who's on YOUR side, do whatever it takes to get it done. The whites credit can't really live off those credit cards anymore so they're trying to get free labor,and and is tired of being afraid of us so they want us all to be slaves so they can feel better and pay off there debts.
"To all my BLACKS,MEXICAN,and all other races who were slaves get out and vote for the people who's on YOUR side, do whatever it takes to get it done."
im pretty sure those who were slaves are unable to comply with your rant...
Watch butterball rationalize slavery! (BTW: In case anybody else hasn't noticed, corporations get far more democratic input than you and I combined...)
I wonder if he would vote yes if the slavery was to do with overweight white men that wear funky glasses. probably not then. don't make excuses for the guy, he is unfit for public service.
The difference is...slavery is morally wrong. A smoking ban, or the lack thereof is not a moral question. He should have dismissed the analogy, but he was put on the spot. The person posing the question (which is mysteriously not included in the video) is clearly just trying to trap him, and get him to say he would support slavry, so the media can run with it (as they have).
The person posing the question was Commissioner Bill Kron. In an AP article, he is quoted as saying "There are some issues of conscience where the majority may not be right. For example, would you have voted for slavery if the majority of your constituents would have?" Kron wasn't trying to trap Nelson, just trying to get him to acknowledge we live in a republic. He wasn't expecting Nelson's moronic response.
Commissioner Nelson was wrong, although his comments are not a surprise to many St. Louis County residents. What is a surprise is that so many people can ignore that his comments were wrong no matter what the context. His refusal to take responsibility for his words and offer an appropriate apology, first by denying he said the remarks, then "blaming" it on his diabetes, is wrong as well.
Be real. Yes, racism is a problem. But no lobby in St Louis County is advocating slavery or lynching. That's why the smoking/slavery analogy is so off-base. Nelson is responding to Kron's ridiculous analogy with sarcasm.
It has a history of lynching white people, too, but they aren't ever included when the subject turns to lynching. But that's an entirely different topic.
you say, duluth "has a history of lynching white people, too". please provide an information source. i've never heard of it before and google doesn't come up with anything other than the black lynchings in duluth.
I said the county has a history of lynching white people, but Duluth has at least one that the city has chosen to forget for reasons unknown. His name was Ollie Kinkkonen. Dragged from his home, tarred and feathered and hung from a tree in Lester Park. In fact, he's buried in the same cemetery just a few rows away from the 1918 victims. I guess only certain victims are worthy of being remembered. There were a few other white lynching victims in northern Minnesota, too.
This quote is taken way out of context. While this comment is completely inappropriate, the video does not show the inappropriate question making the analogy between a smoking ban and a slavery ban made by another commissioner that sparked this comment.
For Christs sake, what matters here isn't his stance, we all know that the ban will pass. But its that e actualy does his job. Someone should give this guy a large pat on the back.
Um... it's democracy AND liberty, and there are times when liberty & rights trump democracy. That's why we have the Bill of Rights and other parts of the Constitution & its amendments that put limits on government, no matter how many people may want to violate those rights & liberties. This is just to comment on what was actually said in the clip, BTW...
Do those liberties and rights include those of private property owners to choose their own policies on their own property? Or do only agenda-driven special interest groups have the liberty to decide for the rest of us?
Yes, "agenda-driven special interest groups" ...like smokers and big tobacco. Why not smoke in grocery stores and doctors offices? Public Health WILL prevail and thats whats pissing off the 'pro-smoke' crowd.
You forgot to mention the anti-tobacco industry, the people driving this whole draconian debate. What don't you understand about all of this? It isn't (and never has been) about whether or not you approve of smoking. Or whether you're a smoker or non-smoker. It's plainly and simply a matter of a private property owner's right to allow a legal activity on his own property. It's also about your right to avoid going there if you don't like it. It's called "freedom."
Restaurant owners are there to serve the public who came to eat food. What don't YOU understand about a restaurant? Freedom allows you to open a smoking lounge. Do it. I approve.
Restaurant owners' idea of serving the public is to allow them to engage in the legal activities of their choice on the property that they own. If you don't like that certain restaurant patrons are allowed to smoke on property that is not your own, go somewhere else. Using the steel-toed jackboot of the state to acquire a nonexistent entitlement to fresh air on demand is abusive in multiple ways.
"Big Anti-Tobacco" is the mightiest special interest group of all, and the irony is that the power and money they've gotten so drunk from in the past couple of decades will go away if people quit smoking. As for why no smoking in grocery stores and doctors offices? Because the marketplace prevailed and the property owners opted against allowing smoking in those settings. For obvious reasons, the marketplace for such prohibitions has not yet occurred in bars.
not only is he out of it enough to say he'd support slavery if it were popular, he's out of it enough to offer several "reasons" he said it and his apology IF he offended anyone. If this is what he has to say after applying a politicians "filter", what in God's name is he thinking?
I am so tired of hearing local elected officials say they make their decisions based on what the majority of the people want. The majority of the people don't speak out, the majority even bother to vote. You can't tell me this guy's going to be out there polling every one of his constituents on every decision he makes, and he shouldn't. Governing isn't about being popular, it's about showing leadership.
He meant what he said. He is just surprised that his true view of slavery is shocking anyone.He would have owned slaves too if he could have. He needs to be thrown out of office!!! Impeach!!
that's not what he was saying. He was saying that he represented the wishes of the people who voted for him. They voted for him because of the issues, if they are intelligent voters. He used slavery as an extreme example, no that he liked it.
kitruz531 that is what he said, however, all it takes for evil to prosper is for men and women of good character to not stand up for what is right. if a man or a woman would not stand up to the crowd and support what they KNOW to be right, then they are not worthy of holding office.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
Keith's true colors are finally showing. What he really meant to say is "I am really for slavery and I wish my constituents were too". Anyone who knows this fat pig knows he is so anti democracy it's not even funny. He rules St Louis County (in northern Minnesota) like he is the king in the castle and refuses to listen to anyone who opposes his personal viewpoint. This guy is a huge arrogant prick and hopefully the voters get smart next election and vote him out.
He made a good point. unfortunately, he did it in a really, really stupid way- which ultilamtely undermines that point. Instead of singling out slavery, he should have used the ambiguous term of "any act which I personally find reprehensible" and he wouldn't have to had offended anybody. What an idiot. Not sure how he is going to be able to make ammends
What everyone has failed to realize that have responded so far is that Nelson cites our Democracy. Last time I checked the constitution, we were a Republic state -- no mob rule. That is why our forefathers instituted a republic state. Public officials are hired into their respective positions to be leaders, not to gather concensus.
he was making a point and used slavery as an example come on black people always trying to make everyone try and feel pitty for them or trying to go back to the same old same old
This gut is pretty stupid. he did not mean what he said but somehow he was stupid enough to say it. He should have used different words and should not have said he would agree to something as terrible as slavery. It doesn't matter what his bosses say. I am from minnesota and am very dissapointed that my state has a representative that would say something like this. And to gwb2008 there is no reason for George W. Bush to have troops in Iraq and the war in Iraq is immoral and wrong.
Nelsen's comments are beyond belief for someone in his position. While this was taken out of context, what does it matter? How is supporting slavery and democracy even used in the same 30 seconds?? Also, while Nelsen's comments were clearly wrong, the people who are commenting about his body type are no better then him. Stick to what Nelsen said.
FAt ass bitch fuck him on da news he said it was a slip up an he didnt mean to say it yeah right he kno he wants slavery to be enforced and right Im black an he is an emberrasment to the state of Minnesota
If you apply the argument that smoking is legal activity and should not be infringed upon (which I think is complete B.S.)you could apply the following reasoning.
Sexual relations among consenting adults is legal. If I ever owned my own restaurant or bar I would also allow people to have sexual intercourse in my establishment. Except for the fatty's and butt ugly people!
The only thing "simple" here is the idea that some petulant prima donna thinks that because he is banging his spoon against high chair so loudly that cigarette smoke "smells yucky", the power of the state should be deployed to legislate other people's private property rights out of existence.
gee "Mark2756042" maybe we should do away with health and sanitation codes and just let restaurants and bars do whatever they feel like doing. Since you beLIEve Public Health Issues infringe on their property rights.
Anti-smoking jihadists always try to muddy the waters between allowing customers to consume a legal product on private property and basic enforcement of sanitation codes. It's an apples and oranges comparison, at least until tobacco consumption is outlawed, at which point government has at least a semblance of jurisdiction to insert its jackboot into the situation. The marketplace won't accommodate unsanitary restaurants but will accommodate smoky bars. It's really that uncomplicated.
He is doing his job, thats it. Just like George W. Bush isn't doing what the most people want him to do, he is doing what the people who elected him want him to do. Sometimes you have to do what your bosses want, not what you want. Thats all he is saying and he is right. The people who elected him are his bosses. This man is a credit to his profession and i will vote for him again.
Anti-smoking advocates are the biggest prima donnas on the planet. They perceive an entitlement to fresh air on demand on private property regardless of the gross violation of property rights and the financial ruin that property owners face as a consequence of such petulance. Every year, hundreds of bar employees are killed by drunken bar patrons while thousands are killed every year by drunk drivers. Should we respond by outlawing alcohol in bars as well?
He was trying to make a point, but he should've used a different example. Had he said "If my constituents wanted me to persecute Jews by sending them to the gas chambers, I would do that!" Would you still think there is nothing wrong with his statement? Africans and African-Americans were the ones who were hurt by slavery and the damage has yet to be repaired as seen by the many ignorant comments made by public officials as of late.
Why isn't smoking allowed in movie theaters or any other 'private property'? It makes sense to ban smoking in business establishments, especially when you consider the health consequences associated with smoking. Smoke outside or in your own home. Employees and patrons who live a healthy lifestyle don't want to die early because some smoker thinks its his 'right' to light up inside a public building!
Why can't you eat outside or in your own home? Patrons are under absolutely no obligation to dine in a restaurant that allows smoking if they don't want to. Your right to decide the smoking policy on someone else's private property ends at the front door. Or is that decision so overwhelming to you that you need the government to step in and make that choice for you?
Restaurants serve food and are there to serve the dining public who came to EAT, not smoke! Same for those who go to a bar to DRINK booze. This is a PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE, not a smokers 'rights' issue. Take it outside! Your 'rights' end at the front door as well. I realize its hard for you to care about the health of others, when you care so little about your own. Typical CONservative Tobacco CONsumer.
The vast majority of restaurants are already voluntarily smokefree. Why? Because the free market is deciding the issue on its own, just like it always has done. A consumer's best weapon is his wallet and we use it every day to make choices. That's what makes freedom so great. It works for everyone. None of us are compelled to spend our money in any restaurant or bar that we choose not to patronize. It's about freedom of choice for everyone.
I'm neither a conservative or a tobacco user. You are simply a confused prima donna who fancies that it's in the jurisdiction of government to clear a path of fresh air to accommodate your every footstep....even on OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. For you to suggest that property owners rights should end at their own front door showed what a bully you are.
DramaQueen- businesses are there to serve the PUBLIC. Public Health WILL prevail. Restaurant employees and customers who live a healthy life style and innocent children and the elderly will all benefit from the clean air. ; ) Open a smoking lounge for the tobacco CONsumers.
Curious argument seeing as how nearly all bars and many restaurants only comply with your tyrannical anti-smoking regulations with the bootheel of the nanny-state pressed into their necks. The people who actually own these businesses idea of "serving the public" is diametrically opposed to yours. Who are you to try to overrule them?
And by the way, you still didn't offer a counterpoint on why smoking should be criminalized in restaurants and bars while alcohol consumption should continue to be legal, despite the "secondhand" deaths connected to "public" alcohol consumption. Every few weeks, I read about a bouncer at a bar killed trying to breaking up melees between drunken barflies. And if you really need statistical links to validate the body count related to drunk driving, you're a lost cause.
"criminalized"?! This is about a smoking ban. DramaQueen. My counterpoint was that smoking is a public health issue. People who live a healthy life style don't want to die early because of smokers who think its their 'right' to light up inside a business. Again-DramaQueen, this is about a smoking ban, not 'drunk driving or bar fights'.
Allow to me put this into terms even you may be able to understand. Bar employees die from bar fights and pedestrians die from drunk drivers as a result of alcohol consumption....the same kind of "secondhand" consequences you suggest justify criminalizing tobacco use on private property. Why should workers and innocent bystanders be forced to withstand the "secondhand" consequences of drinking and not smoking? It's a simple question.
Drinking doesn't pollute the air we need to breathe. Not all alcohol consumers get in fights or drive drunk. Stop trying to CONfuse the issue. This is about smoking in a business that accomodates the PUBLIC. Smoking indoors is a Public HEALTH Issue. End of story.
The only difference between "secondhand" deaths directly related to alcohol and "secondhand" deaths ambiguously/possibly connected to cigarette smoke is that.....tpeabody1970 likes to have a drink when he/she goes to a bar...but tpeabody1970 thinks cigarette smoke smells "yucky"...so tpeabody1970 has constructed an ethically flexible caste system of which "naughty" behaviors need to be micromanaged by the state on PRIVATE PROPERTY to suit tpeabody1970's lifestyle.
His comments are stupid,outrageous but sadly I am not the least bit surprised. Hailing from St Louis County I know that the overwhelming number of people are supportive of the smoking ban. It is going to happen, many progressive states have the ban so get over it, it will come to MN and St Louis County. Once we get this thing done perhaps we can concentrate on electing proficient politicians.
I live in St. Louis County. As it stands, this video is completely useless as it is grossly taken out of context. Had the topic of discussion been different and the example not hypothetical, then there would be reason for concern. Take it for what it's worth; he's not a White Supremacist. I do agree, however, that it was a stupid thing to say. But oh well, everyone has said something that, in hindsight, wouldn't be viewed favorably. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
A lot people gave Bush the benefit of the doubt about WMD in Iraq and look what happened there. ALL polictians are corrupt, have no integrity, and can not be trusted because THAT'S the way "the game" is played. You can't have morals and ethics AND be politician. An ethicial politician? That's an oxymoron! If you go into politics a righteous person you WILL come out the other side corrupted. Why? Because this is America!
I live in St. Louis County. As it stands, this video is completely useless as it is grossly taken out of context. Had the topic of discussion been different and the example not hypothetical, then there would be reason for concern. Take it for what it's worth; he's not a White Supremacist. I do agree, however, that it was a stupid thing to say. But oh well, everyone has said something that, in hindsight, wouldn't be viewed favorably. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Elected officials must be held accountable. To ignore K. Nelson's outrageous and evil comment is to implicitly condone it.
At Duluth's Clayton Jackson McGhie memorial a quote is chiseled in concrete: "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
K. Nelson will vote for slavery if his constituents want it. Why is "context" questioned. This statement is clear.
Do not let such evil slip by without great protest.
I was not at the board meeting where these comments were made. Someone did tell me about the dialogue and the slavery comment. I was shocked by the comment. My technology skills are very limited, rest assured it was not me who posted this video clip. I was told about the posting yesterday and thought it compelling enough to inform the press. Democracy is dependent on a freedom of the press. "unklscrufy" has long been an opponent of smoke free policies and personally attacked me for years.
I'll always oppose attempts to limit the freedoms of private property owners, especially small businesses, and attempts to limit my choices as a consumer. But you didn't answer the questions, as usual. Were anti-smoking groups involved in funding or conducting these polls that show "overwhelming support" for a countywide ban? How much have you spent on lobbying so far? (Since you work for a non-profit, your answer will be interesting.)
"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." I prefer Lincoln's definition of democracy over Nelson's.
And who paid for those polls? If anti-smoking groups had any hand in financing or conducting those polls, the results are meaningless. I could pay for a poll that finds that the sky is indeed falling, but that doesn't make it so. The poster just signed up three days ago. The video was posted the next day. And then none other than Pat McKone just happens to find it on YouTube and alert the News Tribune? Too many coincidences for me.
If anyone would like to see the video in its full incarnation, you can contact the St. Louis County Auditor and get a copy. There was an article about this in the DNT a few weeks ago which is where I first heard about it. As a smoker, I'd rather not see the ban pass, but I will not hesitate to call out our public officials when they make such outrageously stupid comments...regardless of how they vote.
The context of this video is that Nelson has heard from a few constituents opposing the proposed county wide smoking ban in public places. It can be argued that Nelson has selective hearing because polls in the county overwhelmingly support the ban.
It's not a proposed ban on smoking in public places. Bars and restaurants are private property. And until the day you're compelled to eat out somewhere against your will, you have the freedom to avoid restaurants that allow smoking. Why you'd want to abrograte that right to local government and special interest groups is beyond me, but I cherish my freedoms.
This video is meaningless as it is. Under what circumstances and in what context was he using the example of slavery? What was the discussion about? And what had Kron said to elicit Nelson's response?
you can check out the full commissioner's meeting on cable access or get it from the county or the public library or there has also been articles in the Duluth News Tribune and the Mesabi Daily News or it has been on Channel 6 as well. It is toward the end of the meeting so you may want to fast foward through the rest or you could find something else of interest:)
The context was how far would you go in your rationale that you are doing this because your constituents want it. Would you do something obviously wrong and evil. The answer he gave was yes. This is about leadership vs representation and whether the individual leader has sufficient values to sort wrong from right. He made it clear he does not.
Thats great that he will vote for slavery if his constituants want that. Then why when his constituants want a smoking band will he not vote for that? Seems sort of strange that he will vote for something as negative as slavery but not for something as positive as fresh clean air!!
WOW I can not believe that people would actually use this video to attempt to turn voters against Mr. Nelson! Clearly the title does NOT match the context. The message of Mr.Nelsons speech is that he works for his constituents and THAT is exactly what a representative is supposed to be doing. He was not in anyway wrong, and never did he say he was for slavery. He said he is for his constituents so stop taking his words out of context. I'm VERY glad Keith Nelson was re-elected again in 2010.
snowbabe272 1 year ago
Can anyone say Trustee?
Bigman2570 1 year ago
His hypocrisy knows no bounds apparently. I can hardly think of a better example of authoritarianism than trying to ban private citizens from recording public meetings- his latest endeavor. When said ban violates the Minnesota Open Meeting law as well as state and federal constitutional free speech rights I would have to lean toward calling that imposing his will upon the people.
I suppose when one makes a fool of himself in public meetings having it posted on YouTube can be quite humiliating.
Blacklab3093 2 years ago
He is correct that he is supposed to represent his constituents. I don't want a leader I want a representative, however, if such a request was made by the majority it would be the moral code of a respectable human being to either refuse to vote or resign in that situation. Mr Nelson either lacks that code or is such an epic buffoon that he would say anything to win an argument and save face. Let us hope it is the latter. Either way he is an embarrassment to my community and unfit for office.
Blacklab3093 2 years ago
You might consider him your leader, but he was elected to represent his constituents.
unklscrufy 3 years ago
You are wrong! We live in a representative Republic!
No where in our Constitution or the Declaration of Independence, nor in the constitutions of the fifty states will you find the word"democracy."
BillJungbauer4HR08 3 years ago
Nelson was indeed wrong, but not the brightest penny in the pocket it's not an uncommon phenomenon.
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mnswanmaiden 3 years ago
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Blacklab3093 2 years ago
Constitutionally limited democratic-republic is my understanding. It is referred to as a democracy loosely because the citizens elect their representatives (if you can pretend the electoral college doesn't exist ). In a true democracy every citizen would vote on every piece of legislation.
Blacklab3093 2 years ago
Good! i'm glad someone is sticking to their job. he can vote for it all he wants if his constituents want it. that is what we pay them to do.
samludden 3 years ago
Hey, here's an idea! Let's vote to make HIM a slave!
HypnoToad72 3 years ago
This commissioner is an idiot and shows how fucked up american politics is. Politicians have no mind of their own, and just do what is popular to get votes. Case in point, this fucker. They will play the religion card and try to win votes with dumbass christians. HEY LOOK AT ME! I BELIEVE IN FAIRYTALES FOR ADULTS! Fucking morons.
EnigmaHood 3 years ago
We Are Watching is following up
Search google video We Are Watching Kathy Heltzer
All the videos will appear with that video.
hk55803 4 years ago
Well, who's with me in voting that guy gets a pay to match those of the working man? (as a result, he won't be able to buy anymore butterball turkeys and have to live on macaroni and cheese...)
Oh, I do see his point. He's a nitwit for using SLAVERY as an example. There are plenty of ways to patronize the audience without having to be excessively tacky.
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
He just voted himself a big fat raise! The commissioners (except those who are refusing the raise like Forsman O Neil and Kron)
will get over 70 cents per mile! Nelson already draws the most travel reimbursement.
CottonMNman 4 years ago 2
he used slavery because the other guy asked him if he would vote for it if the majority of his people wanted it
prowextwo 3 years ago
Which was kind of the point... and he said yes. This guy lies up one side and down the other, willing to "represent his constituents" if they agree with him, and ignore them if they don't. Ready to suck up to Rukavena any day and twice on Sunday he's always saying that he has to do this or that to please Rukavena. Bottom line he does what's expedient and exercises scant leadership and less judgment. We can do better....
CottonMNman 3 years ago
shut up you're from cotton
prowextwo 3 years ago
I am? Prowextwo, I thought I am polyester... oh well!
HypnoToad72 3 years ago
I wish he had used a more convincing issue than slavery... I thought we were a century or two beyond that. Seems he isn't, or at the very least has problems trying to enunciate sarcasm.
HypnoToad72 3 years ago
He is not the the one who brought it up, another commissioner asked him... If the issue were slavery, and if his constituents voted for it then would he represent themjob. He said he would because that is his JOB, his job is to represent his people.
50ccHonda 2 years ago
First off Cottonman, you live in Cotton. Your 60 years old watching YouTube. Second off, the issue here was the smoking ban, he was against it because his people voted against it, and if his people voted for it then he would vote for it. I know with your education thats hard to understand but what he is trying to say is that he represents his people. If your soo much better then run against him, I dare you.
50ccHonda 2 years ago
That's obvious. And beside the point.
HypnoToad72 3 years ago
Slavery still exists in the world. There are lots of people who believe in it. Evil is alive and well in our time. This bible thumping fellow means exactly what he said.
hk55803 4 years ago
hk55803 - "thumping", or "humping"?
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
Great Speech!! A representative government is to represent the will of the people.
Liberals hate majority rule and seek around in the courts for decisions that are the province of the representatives.
Bob2000system 4 years ago
Nelson is indeed racist. He's a good ole boy bully as nasty as they come. Make no mistake, this guy is bad.
CottonMNman 4 years ago
CottonMNman - I don't see any example of racism in that clip, and slavery in of itself is not a racial issue buy an economic one.
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
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50ccHonda 2 years ago
rion is a pirate
shmomofish 4 years ago
You people are idiots if you think he was being racist, he was making a point. If anything blacks are more racist than whites these days because some of you do whatever you want and if you're called on it, it's because we're racist. You need to chill and figure out what your race is doing to itself in the eyes of other races.
Chris021190 4 years ago
Wacthing videos like this makes me work even harder,blackfinancetv coming soon. Tell your white friends, game over!
BlackFinanceTV 4 years ago
you guys dont see his point.. he uses that has an example. his job is to push for what the majority of the citizens want. he used slavery as an example. in which case he would of did his job.
Milt0nBradley 4 years ago
Milt0, we do see his point. Which is, if the majority of people want slavery, he'll readily impose it on those who don't.
Do you live in his district?
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
To all my BLACKS,MEXICAN,and all other races who were slaves get out and vote for the people who's on YOUR side, do whatever it takes to get it done. The whites credit can't really live off those credit cards anymore so they're trying to get free labor,and and is tired of being afraid of us so they want us all to be slaves so they can feel better and pay off there debts.
tankwear 4 years ago
"To all my BLACKS,MEXICAN,and all other races who were slaves get out and vote for the people who's on YOUR side, do whatever it takes to get it done."
im pretty sure those who were slaves are unable to comply with your rant...
alifeofdrew 4 years ago
fat fuck
1515mad132 4 years ago
Watch butterball rationalize slavery! (BTW: In case anybody else hasn't noticed, corporations get far more democratic input than you and I combined...)
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
I wonder if he would vote yes if the slavery was to do with overweight white men that wear funky glasses. probably not then. don't make excuses for the guy, he is unfit for public service.
mndeerslayer 4 years ago 2
The difference is...slavery is morally wrong. A smoking ban, or the lack thereof is not a moral question. He should have dismissed the analogy, but he was put on the spot. The person posing the question (which is mysteriously not included in the video) is clearly just trying to trap him, and get him to say he would support slavry, so the media can run with it (as they have).
smc1981 4 years ago
The person posing the question was Commissioner Bill Kron. In an AP article, he is quoted as saying "There are some issues of conscience where the majority may not be right. For example, would you have voted for slavery if the majority of your constituents would have?" Kron wasn't trying to trap Nelson, just trying to get him to acknowledge we live in a republic. He wasn't expecting Nelson's moronic response.
kolst8406 4 years ago 2
Commissioner Nelson was wrong, although his comments are not a surprise to many St. Louis County residents. What is a surprise is that so many people can ignore that his comments were wrong no matter what the context. His refusal to take responsibility for his words and offer an appropriate apology, first by denying he said the remarks, then "blaming" it on his diabetes, is wrong as well.
nothisconstituent 4 years ago 3
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50ccHonda 2 years ago
Some of you need to get off it. Context counts. This comment was a RESPONSE to reductio-ad-absurdum argument forced on Nelson.
It's not like St. Louis County has a history of slavery.
noffius 4 years ago
no. just lynchings. no big whoop.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
No but St Louis County does have a history of lynching black people. Would he had gone ahead with the majority on that too?
sniggle76 4 years ago
Be real. Yes, racism is a problem. But no lobby in St Louis County is advocating slavery or lynching. That's why the smoking/slavery analogy is so off-base. Nelson is responding to Kron's ridiculous analogy with sarcasm.
noffius 4 years ago
It has a history of lynching white people, too, but they aren't ever included when the subject turns to lynching. But that's an entirely different topic.
unklscrufy 4 years ago
you say, duluth "has a history of lynching white people, too". please provide an information source. i've never heard of it before and google doesn't come up with anything other than the black lynchings in duluth.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
I said the county has a history of lynching white people, but Duluth has at least one that the city has chosen to forget for reasons unknown. His name was Ollie Kinkkonen. Dragged from his home, tarred and feathered and hung from a tree in Lester Park. In fact, he's buried in the same cemetery just a few rows away from the 1918 victims. I guess only certain victims are worthy of being remembered. There were a few other white lynching victims in northern Minnesota, too.
unklscrufy 4 years ago
This quote is taken way out of context. While this comment is completely inappropriate, the video does not show the inappropriate question making the analogy between a smoking ban and a slavery ban made by another commissioner that sparked this comment.
msicord 4 years ago
"What is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular." -- Thomas Jefferson
jshecket 4 years ago 2
For Christs sake, what matters here isn't his stance, we all know that the ban will pass. But its that e actualy does his job. Someone should give this guy a large pat on the back.
mightypowers 4 years ago
Um... it's democracy AND liberty, and there are times when liberty & rights trump democracy. That's why we have the Bill of Rights and other parts of the Constitution & its amendments that put limits on government, no matter how many people may want to violate those rights & liberties. This is just to comment on what was actually said in the clip, BTW...
felixbunke 4 years ago
Do those liberties and rights include those of private property owners to choose their own policies on their own property? Or do only agenda-driven special interest groups have the liberty to decide for the rest of us?
unklscrufy 4 years ago
Yes, "agenda-driven special interest groups" ...like smokers and big tobacco. Why not smoke in grocery stores and doctors offices? Public Health WILL prevail and thats whats pissing off the 'pro-smoke' crowd.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
You forgot to mention the anti-tobacco industry, the people driving this whole draconian debate. What don't you understand about all of this? It isn't (and never has been) about whether or not you approve of smoking. Or whether you're a smoker or non-smoker. It's plainly and simply a matter of a private property owner's right to allow a legal activity on his own property. It's also about your right to avoid going there if you don't like it. It's called "freedom."
unklscrufy 4 years ago
Restaurant owners are there to serve the public who came to eat food. What don't YOU understand about a restaurant? Freedom allows you to open a smoking lounge. Do it. I approve.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Restaurant owners' idea of serving the public is to allow them to engage in the legal activities of their choice on the property that they own. If you don't like that certain restaurant patrons are allowed to smoke on property that is not your own, go somewhere else. Using the steel-toed jackboot of the state to acquire a nonexistent entitlement to fresh air on demand is abusive in multiple ways.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
"Big Anti-Tobacco" is the mightiest special interest group of all, and the irony is that the power and money they've gotten so drunk from in the past couple of decades will go away if people quit smoking. As for why no smoking in grocery stores and doctors offices? Because the marketplace prevailed and the property owners opted against allowing smoking in those settings. For obvious reasons, the marketplace for such prohibitions has not yet occurred in bars.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
not only is he out of it enough to say he'd support slavery if it were popular, he's out of it enough to offer several "reasons" he said it and his apology IF he offended anyone. If this is what he has to say after applying a politicians "filter", what in God's name is he thinking?
natebobp 4 years ago
Good point, bad analogy.
He could have got the same point across had he said something like;
"If the people want (fill in the blank), I will vote for it"
-donuts delivered to their door each morning;
-DisneyWorld built in the county;
-their taxes doubled.
Not slavery...
jlk209 4 years ago
I am so tired of hearing local elected officials say they make their decisions based on what the majority of the people want. The majority of the people don't speak out, the majority even bother to vote. You can't tell me this guy's going to be out there polling every one of his constituents on every decision he makes, and he shouldn't. Governing isn't about being popular, it's about showing leadership.
LiberalSpirit 4 years ago
He meant what he said. He is just surprised that his true view of slavery is shocking anyone.He would have owned slaves too if he could have. He needs to be thrown out of office!!! Impeach!!
Tiamatnico 4 years ago
that's not what he was saying. He was saying that he represented the wishes of the people who voted for him. They voted for him because of the issues, if they are intelligent voters. He used slavery as an extreme example, no that he liked it.
kitruz531 4 years ago
kitruz531 that is what he said, however, all it takes for evil to prosper is for men and women of good character to not stand up for what is right. if a man or a woman would not stand up to the crowd and support what they KNOW to be right, then they are not worthy of holding office.
kelasings 4 years ago
hahaha, wrong answer... should have said "slavery!? HEEEELLLLLLL NO"
didi0014 4 years ago
(cont.)
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
de·moc·ra·cy
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Is al Sharpton going to apologize to the Duke LaCrosse players?
stavrosteve 4 years ago
What does this have to do with the video? I think you are are a CONfused CONservative.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Keith's true colors are finally showing. What he really meant to say is "I am really for slavery and I wish my constituents were too". Anyone who knows this fat pig knows he is so anti democracy it's not even funny. He rules St Louis County (in northern Minnesota) like he is the king in the castle and refuses to listen to anyone who opposes his personal viewpoint. This guy is a huge arrogant prick and hopefully the voters get smart next election and vote him out.
samal49 4 years ago
He made a good point. unfortunately, he did it in a really, really stupid way- which ultilamtely undermines that point. Instead of singling out slavery, he should have used the ambiguous term of "any act which I personally find reprehensible" and he wouldn't have to had offended anybody. What an idiot. Not sure how he is going to be able to make ammends
sepej01 4 years ago
We have so much to learn from him.
Jopy98 4 years ago
What everyone has failed to realize that have responded so far is that Nelson cites our Democracy. Last time I checked the constitution, we were a Republic state -- no mob rule. That is why our forefathers instituted a republic state. Public officials are hired into their respective positions to be leaders, not to gather concensus.
MiLFSHAKE420 4 years ago
he was making a point and used slavery as an example come on black people always trying to make everyone try and feel pitty for them or trying to go back to the same old same old
penasoccer 4 years ago
This gut is pretty stupid. he did not mean what he said but somehow he was stupid enough to say it. He should have used different words and should not have said he would agree to something as terrible as slavery. It doesn't matter what his bosses say. I am from minnesota and am very dissapointed that my state has a representative that would say something like this. And to gwb2008 there is no reason for George W. Bush to have troops in Iraq and the war in Iraq is immoral and wrong.
volcom1440 4 years ago
Nelsen's comments are beyond belief for someone in his position. While this was taken out of context, what does it matter? How is supporting slavery and democracy even used in the same 30 seconds?? Also, while Nelsen's comments were clearly wrong, the people who are commenting about his body type are no better then him. Stick to what Nelsen said.
riverstar10 4 years ago
He really does look like Porky Pig! bwhahahah! I wouldn't even vote for this idiot as a school crossing guard.
gamkeichubabe 4 years ago
FAt ass bitch fuck him on da news he said it was a slip up an he didnt mean to say it yeah right he kno he wants slavery to be enforced and right Im black an he is an emberrasment to the state of Minnesota
T3chN1ek 4 years ago
If you apply the argument that smoking is legal activity and should not be infringed upon (which I think is complete B.S.)you could apply the following reasoning.
Sexual relations among consenting adults is legal. If I ever owned my own restaurant or bar I would also allow people to have sexual intercourse in my establishment. Except for the fatty's and butt ugly people!
faunch 4 years ago
Very good, and funny! LOVE IT! However "unklscrufy" and "Mark2756042" are having trouble understanding this simple reasoning. Could you help?
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
The only thing "simple" here is the idea that some petulant prima donna thinks that because he is banging his spoon against high chair so loudly that cigarette smoke "smells yucky", the power of the state should be deployed to legislate other people's private property rights out of existence.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
gee "Mark2756042" maybe we should do away with health and sanitation codes and just let restaurants and bars do whatever they feel like doing. Since you beLIEve Public Health Issues infringe on their property rights.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Anti-smoking jihadists always try to muddy the waters between allowing customers to consume a legal product on private property and basic enforcement of sanitation codes. It's an apples and oranges comparison, at least until tobacco consumption is outlawed, at which point government has at least a semblance of jurisdiction to insert its jackboot into the situation. The marketplace won't accommodate unsanitary restaurants but will accommodate smoky bars. It's really that uncomplicated.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
He is doing his job, thats it. Just like George W. Bush isn't doing what the most people want him to do, he is doing what the people who elected him want him to do. Sometimes you have to do what your bosses want, not what you want. Thats all he is saying and he is right. The people who elected him are his bosses. This man is a credit to his profession and i will vote for him again.
gwb2008 4 years ago
FAT DON IMUS PART DEUX
JABACAB 4 years ago
Anti-smoking advocates are the biggest prima donnas on the planet. They perceive an entitlement to fresh air on demand on private property regardless of the gross violation of property rights and the financial ruin that property owners face as a consequence of such petulance. Every year, hundreds of bar employees are killed by drunken bar patrons while thousands are killed every year by drunk drivers. Should we respond by outlawing alcohol in bars as well?
Mark2756042 4 years ago
do you have facts to support your statement:
"Every year, hundreds of bar employees are killed by drunken bar patrons while thousands are killed every year by drunk drivers."
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
there is nothing wrong with what he said or meant by his actions. i like how the Africans always think slavery is only referring to them.
bahdan101 4 years ago
He was trying to make a point, but he should've used a different example. Had he said "If my constituents wanted me to persecute Jews by sending them to the gas chambers, I would do that!" Would you still think there is nothing wrong with his statement? Africans and African-Americans were the ones who were hurt by slavery and the damage has yet to be repaired as seen by the many ignorant comments made by public officials as of late.
jarrodsings 4 years ago
Hey Porky Pig! How does slavery fit in the definition of democracy?
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
GO OUTSIDE TO SMOKE YOUR COFFIN NAIL! AND DON'T LITTER EITHER!(unklscrufy) Unless you want me to come take a dump on your porch!
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Why isn't smoking allowed in movie theaters or any other 'private property'? It makes sense to ban smoking in business establishments, especially when you consider the health consequences associated with smoking. Smoke outside or in your own home. Employees and patrons who live a healthy lifestyle don't want to die early because some smoker thinks its his 'right' to light up inside a public building!
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Why can't you eat outside or in your own home? Patrons are under absolutely no obligation to dine in a restaurant that allows smoking if they don't want to. Your right to decide the smoking policy on someone else's private property ends at the front door. Or is that decision so overwhelming to you that you need the government to step in and make that choice for you?
unklscrufy 4 years ago
Restaurants serve food and are there to serve the dining public who came to EAT, not smoke! Same for those who go to a bar to DRINK booze. This is a PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE, not a smokers 'rights' issue. Take it outside! Your 'rights' end at the front door as well. I realize its hard for you to care about the health of others, when you care so little about your own. Typical CONservative Tobacco CONsumer.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
The vast majority of restaurants are already voluntarily smokefree. Why? Because the free market is deciding the issue on its own, just like it always has done. A consumer's best weapon is his wallet and we use it every day to make choices. That's what makes freedom so great. It works for everyone. None of us are compelled to spend our money in any restaurant or bar that we choose not to patronize. It's about freedom of choice for everyone.
unklscrufy 4 years ago
I'm neither a conservative or a tobacco user. You are simply a confused prima donna who fancies that it's in the jurisdiction of government to clear a path of fresh air to accommodate your every footstep....even on OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. For you to suggest that property owners rights should end at their own front door showed what a bully you are.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
DramaQueen- businesses are there to serve the PUBLIC. Public Health WILL prevail. Restaurant employees and customers who live a healthy life style and innocent children and the elderly will all benefit from the clean air. ; ) Open a smoking lounge for the tobacco CONsumers.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Curious argument seeing as how nearly all bars and many restaurants only comply with your tyrannical anti-smoking regulations with the bootheel of the nanny-state pressed into their necks. The people who actually own these businesses idea of "serving the public" is diametrically opposed to yours. Who are you to try to overrule them?
Mark2756042 4 years ago
And by the way, you still didn't offer a counterpoint on why smoking should be criminalized in restaurants and bars while alcohol consumption should continue to be legal, despite the "secondhand" deaths connected to "public" alcohol consumption. Every few weeks, I read about a bouncer at a bar killed trying to breaking up melees between drunken barflies. And if you really need statistical links to validate the body count related to drunk driving, you're a lost cause.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
"criminalized"?! This is about a smoking ban. DramaQueen. My counterpoint was that smoking is a public health issue. People who live a healthy life style don't want to die early because of smokers who think its their 'right' to light up inside a business. Again-DramaQueen, this is about a smoking ban, not 'drunk driving or bar fights'.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
Allow to me put this into terms even you may be able to understand. Bar employees die from bar fights and pedestrians die from drunk drivers as a result of alcohol consumption....the same kind of "secondhand" consequences you suggest justify criminalizing tobacco use on private property. Why should workers and innocent bystanders be forced to withstand the "secondhand" consequences of drinking and not smoking? It's a simple question.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
to "Mark2756042" (aka drama queen)
Drinking doesn't pollute the air we need to breathe. Not all alcohol consumers get in fights or drive drunk. Stop trying to CONfuse the issue. This is about smoking in a business that accomodates the PUBLIC. Smoking indoors is a Public HEALTH Issue. End of story.
tpeabody1970 4 years ago
The only difference between "secondhand" deaths directly related to alcohol and "secondhand" deaths ambiguously/possibly connected to cigarette smoke is that.....tpeabody1970 likes to have a drink when he/she goes to a bar...but tpeabody1970 thinks cigarette smoke smells "yucky"...so tpeabody1970 has constructed an ethically flexible caste system of which "naughty" behaviors need to be micromanaged by the state on PRIVATE PROPERTY to suit tpeabody1970's lifestyle.
Mark2756042 4 years ago
this man is an embarressment to the state of Minnesota, shame on him,
wrmondragon 4 years ago
What a total moron! The people of St Louis County deserve better representation. Maybe he can appear on the Imus show to defend himself though.
sniggle76 4 years ago
Yeah, probably not the best way to demonstrate you support your constituents. Wow, dude.
impel24 4 years ago
His comments are stupid,outrageous but sadly I am not the least bit surprised. Hailing from St Louis County I know that the overwhelming number of people are supportive of the smoking ban. It is going to happen, many progressive states have the ban so get over it, it will come to MN and St Louis County. Once we get this thing done perhaps we can concentrate on electing proficient politicians.
jcthatsme 4 years ago
Mr. Nelson's own ethics matter here. He has the right to step down if he doesn't agree with the people's choice. Slavery just be just such an issue.
If he's willing to represent ANY point of view that the people choose, he is irrelevant. The people can (and should) simply vote on the issue.
bobguy64 4 years ago
I live in St. Louis County. As it stands, this video is completely useless as it is grossly taken out of context. Had the topic of discussion been different and the example not hypothetical, then there would be reason for concern. Take it for what it's worth; he's not a White Supremacist. I do agree, however, that it was a stupid thing to say. But oh well, everyone has said something that, in hindsight, wouldn't be viewed favorably. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
UncleDavid218 4 years ago
A lot people gave Bush the benefit of the doubt about WMD in Iraq and look what happened there. ALL polictians are corrupt, have no integrity, and can not be trusted because THAT'S the way "the game" is played. You can't have morals and ethics AND be politician. An ethicial politician? That's an oxymoron! If you go into politics a righteous person you WILL come out the other side corrupted. Why? Because this is America!
TLSB43 4 years ago
I live in St. Louis County. As it stands, this video is completely useless as it is grossly taken out of context. Had the topic of discussion been different and the example not hypothetical, then there would be reason for concern. Take it for what it's worth; he's not a White Supremacist. I do agree, however, that it was a stupid thing to say. But oh well, everyone has said something that, in hindsight, wouldn't be viewed favorably. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
UncleDavid218 4 years ago
You're an idiot.
Malamockq 4 years ago
Elected officials must be held accountable. To ignore K. Nelson's outrageous and evil comment is to implicitly condone it.
At Duluth's Clayton Jackson McGhie memorial a quote is chiseled in concrete: "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
K. Nelson will vote for slavery if his constituents want it. Why is "context" questioned. This statement is clear.
Do not let such evil slip by without great protest.
amkelleymq 4 years ago
Slavery is a positive thing? All i have to say is we need better leaders than what we have now.
purpleface21 4 years ago
regardless of the context... this was really just a stupid thing to say.
angievee 4 years ago
I was not at the board meeting where these comments were made. Someone did tell me about the dialogue and the slavery comment. I was shocked by the comment. My technology skills are very limited, rest assured it was not me who posted this video clip. I was told about the posting yesterday and thought it compelling enough to inform the press. Democracy is dependent on a freedom of the press. "unklscrufy" has long been an opponent of smoke free policies and personally attacked me for years.
pmckone3 4 years ago
I'll always oppose attempts to limit the freedoms of private property owners, especially small businesses, and attempts to limit my choices as a consumer. But you didn't answer the questions, as usual. Were anti-smoking groups involved in funding or conducting these polls that show "overwhelming support" for a countywide ban? How much have you spent on lobbying so far? (Since you work for a non-profit, your answer will be interesting.)
unklscrufy 4 years ago
As Lincoln said...
"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." I prefer Lincoln's definition of democracy over Nelson's.
dewwright 4 years ago
And who paid for those polls? If anti-smoking groups had any hand in financing or conducting those polls, the results are meaningless. I could pay for a poll that finds that the sky is indeed falling, but that doesn't make it so. The poster just signed up three days ago. The video was posted the next day. And then none other than Pat McKone just happens to find it on YouTube and alert the News Tribune? Too many coincidences for me.
unklscrufy 4 years ago
If anyone would like to see the video in its full incarnation, you can contact the St. Louis County Auditor and get a copy. There was an article about this in the DNT a few weeks ago which is where I first heard about it. As a smoker, I'd rather not see the ban pass, but I will not hesitate to call out our public officials when they make such outrageously stupid comments...regardless of how they vote.
natebobc 4 years ago
The context of this video is that Nelson has heard from a few constituents opposing the proposed county wide smoking ban in public places. It can be argued that Nelson has selective hearing because polls in the county overwhelmingly support the ban.
hiker056 4 years ago
It's not a proposed ban on smoking in public places. Bars and restaurants are private property. And until the day you're compelled to eat out somewhere against your will, you have the freedom to avoid restaurants that allow smoking. Why you'd want to abrograte that right to local government and special interest groups is beyond me, but I cherish my freedoms.
unklscrufy 4 years ago
This video is meaningless as it is. Under what circumstances and in what context was he using the example of slavery? What was the discussion about? And what had Kron said to elicit Nelson's response?
unklscrufy 4 years ago
you can check out the full commissioner's meeting on cable access or get it from the county or the public library or there has also been articles in the Duluth News Tribune and the Mesabi Daily News or it has been on Channel 6 as well. It is toward the end of the meeting so you may want to fast foward through the rest or you could find something else of interest:)
natebobp 4 years ago
The context was how far would you go in your rationale that you are doing this because your constituents want it. Would you do something obviously wrong and evil. The answer he gave was yes. This is about leadership vs representation and whether the individual leader has sufficient values to sort wrong from right. He made it clear he does not.
hk55803 3 years ago
Thats great that he will vote for slavery if his constituants want that. Then why when his constituants want a smoking band will he not vote for that? Seems sort of strange that he will vote for something as negative as slavery but not for something as positive as fresh clean air!!
tsmcqueen545792 4 years ago