AZ, you stated "when I was a Christian", then went on to your argument. What ever brought you out of Christianity? The devil must really be planting seeds of doubt in your mind. Rightousness is not something man can possess. He is not capable of being Holy. Only GOD. Therefore you cannot cover/cleanse unrightousness(man) with rightousness(GOD). The sacrifice had to come from a rightous person (JC) in order to make the unrightous Holy unto GOD. (How much of the bible did you study "when"?)
You need to look up what a "strawman" argument is. You set all the criteria, then prove your own position which is not rooted in science. You know the science you assert so vehemently. "The Just" means Jesus, not any human being. Your argument is so ludicrous and Im really surprised no one has called you on it thus far. Logic suggests that all terms must be defined by the author, not the reader. Its called context. Do you do this with all other literary pieces or are you impartial to the "book"?
@autofill67 If "The Just" means Jesus, then this verse clearly states that it is an abomination to condemn him while letting the wicked go unpunished. If you don't think this applies to Jesus, then please explain why, and cite your biblical sources either showing that Jesus was not just - and therefore this wouldn't apply - or that says this verse only applies to humans, and God doesn't have to follow his own rules.
@StopSlaveSpecies YOU CANT ADD BOOKS TO THE BIBLE THAT WERE WRITTEN IN 300AD ,,,The bible isnt the translation you have in your hand anyway,,,the bible or GODs word,,,is COMPILATION OF ALL SCROLLS,,,BUT NOT ANYTHING WRITTEN AFTER THE FIRST CENTURY
@candiceevans1 There's not even such a thing as 'THE BIBLE', there are dozens of different bibles with different cannons. Different books, means a different compilation, and they all claim to be THE bible. But they can't all be, thus the bibles is more apt.
no, no no no,,,,,it does matter who gets punished,,,the sacrifice had to be worth all the men that were to be saved,,,there was no man righteous,,,one man sinned and brought death into the world and condemned all races,,,,one perfect man was sacrificed to redeem all races,,,it just makes me crazy the misrepresentation ,,,and it makes me crazy that you say you sat in a church for years and that you dont understand the Gospel
@slickrick9009 It does matter because we wouldnt have been saved if Jesus wasnt fully GOD fully man AND A PERFECT SINLESS SACRIFICE,,,and Jesus said no one takes my life from me,,,I lay it down of my own accord and I take it back up again for this power has been given to me by my FATHER. JESUS WAS GOD,,,GOD SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR YOU!
@candiceevans1 What a sacrifice. An almighty being made a human form of himself and killed it. Let it go to Hell for awhile and now he has TWO forms of himself in Heaven for all of eternity. How hard that must have been for him to do. I'm not here to debate, there are plenty of videos here on youtube that are perfectly able to express any and all doubts I would have. If you are open minded enough to change you'll be looking them up yourself and if you're not then I can't change that.
@candiceevans1 It sounds like he sacrificed an incarnate human form to appease himself. You know if the god of the bible wasn't such a moronic ass it wouldn't have needed that in the first place. The whole thing makes no sense.
@candiceevans1 I think he understands it quiet well. He's just trying to explain to gullible idiots like yourself why your "gospel" is complete BULLSHIT.
@patriotsfan1379....do you see what these TULIP doctrines & calvinism have done to you? You come off completely incoherent & unsound, its like your doing drugs!
& why are you so full of BITTERNESS?
Like everyone else here, I have no concept or idea as to WHAT you were trying to convey--
@Patriotsfan1379 oh but that's only HALF the story! You also believe in Exhaustive Determinism! That alone being nothing more than Theistic Fatalism. Tell them that you believe that every child rape, every murder, every drug-overdose, every gang-rape or abortion was Decreed & Ordained by your ALL-POWERFUL SOVEREIGN god. That EVERYTHING that happens was PREDESTINED by Him, yet, you say he's suppose to remain innocent. What a pathetic blind-guide you are! These people Blaspheme God because of you.
@Patriotsfan1379 let me help you tell these OTHER sinners your calvininian "gospel":
Because of Adams fall, God purposely manufactures defective Sinners in the womb, women give birth to DEAD babies, preprogrammed to Sin & ONLY Sin, lacking ALL ability to Repent or beg for mercy, the majority HATED by Him "Before having done anything either good or bad" & PREDESTINED for HELL , & a few SELECTED for Heaven!!
& you believe YOUR one of them PREDESTINED for heaven No matter how wicked you behave!
@patriotsfan1379 "...how does that Verse prove that God has to obey His own commandments?"
I suppose that you also beieve that God iin the Flesh did NOT have to obey the Fathers commandments either right? Imposter!reae it again,"Be Holy as I am Holy" unless the god you worship is a hypocrite, than you ought to imitate Him in all your conduct.
Tell 'em what you REALLY believe your hate-filled, callous, wolf in sheeps clothing!
@patriotsfan1379 "He is talking about God the father yu idiot!!"
WHAT DO YOU CARE? You're "god" PREDESTINED, ORDAINED and DECREED every word out of His mouth, you IMPOSTER to Christianity! You should be consistent and GLORIFY the SOVEREIGNTY of GOD as he balsphemes His name in very much the same way you do. There's nothing but HATRED & CONDEMNATION in your heart, you make me sick you worker of iniquity! You haven't been "regenerated", youre a Willfull slave To the devil walking in shackels
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones this is talking about other christins brothers not anyone else pluse am not angry if you are talking about apollos6640 never was JESUS kind to either the phareesees or any religious person who tried to lay down a false teaching neither was paul against false teachers including in galatians were he he reproofs peter in front of everyone
@patriotsfan1379 I heard it all before... It's amazing how some people have this inherent capability of sifting out verses and contexts in order to somehow get around the fact that what they are doing is in contrast to said verses. I'm part of that club as well, BTW.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones maybe all you want its a god of love who never rejects anyone and who always has a kind word for all including those who are against him and try to lay down false doctrine maybe we should just all put doctrine aside and let us all love everyone after all your truth its just as good as mine huh ? but not in your world huh?
@patriotsfan1379 Listen: your god does not 'reject' people because they have sinned or committed evil, your god has rejected people RANDOMLY, and has predestined this to happen, even BEFORE the Fall of Man.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones it is the GOD of the bible my and yours wether you aknowledge it or not it is still so!!!! IT IS HIS UNIVERSE AND HE RULES IT HOWEVER HE CHOOSES HAVING MERCY ON SOME AND GIVING JUSTICE TO OTHERS IT IS HIS NOT YOURS!!! AND IT IS DONE NOT RANDOMLY BUT PURPOSELY AND ACCORDING WITH THE COUNCIL OF HIS WILL!!! FOR HIS GLORY !!! AMEN AND AMEN
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Ten, admittedly patriots cannot make a cogent argument. However that would be true about the predestination, if you believe the god was all knowing and the creator. Free will cannot exist in that schema.
@humanistheart In calvinism, predestination entails that the Supreme Being not only allows, but actively WILLS evil to occur. This is brushed up a bit by bringing in the 'mysterious masterplan' of this god, which makes these evils not only necessary, but justifiable.
@humanistheart Look at Patriot's replies. It sums it up neatly. All evil, in the end, is part of the masterplan of his god, and ultimately is meant solely for the glorification of his god.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones no HE doesn't will evil to occur man is evil GOD restraints evil but allows it to happen in certain circumstancess to advance HIS purpouse to gloryfie HIMSELF first but also to ultimatly to gloryfie those who are being saved you don't understand that cause you are selfish
@patriotsfan1379 That is calvinist doublespeak. If your god allows evil, and he is completely sovereign and in charge of the world, then he also wills it. You cannot shift the blame for evil on creatures (devils, humans) who do not have an iota of free will to do or do not as they please. I support the dualist notion.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones don't put word I didn't say I did not say your god is satanic I said you do serve the devil even thought you don't know that you do ultimately though both do serve GODS purpose there are means to an end different end in different people they will eithr harden you or make you soft and moldable for GODS use the greatest evil foreordained by GOD acts ch;2 JESUS crucifiction has brought a greater good to those who are being saved there is always a purpouse
@patriotsfan1379 "no GOD does not need to obey HIS laws we do!!"
Speak for yourself you self-righteous, prideful, condscending Imposter to Christianity!
1 Peter 1:15-16 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy."
What you worship is NOT from heaven, but from the pits of HELL.
Why don't you share your unbiblical calvinistic "gospel" w/these people already & GLORIFY the SOVEREIGNTY of God!
One cold, winter day, a man looked out the window and saw many birds freezing cold and dying without food. So he went to his barn, set up a place for the birds, put food in the barn, and heated up the barn for the birds. There was one problem. How could he tell the birds to enter the barn which was a good place for the birds? The only way is to turn into a bird and tell them. Jesus has a place for us in heaven. He turned into a human to tell us that there is a place for us!
Jesus is referred to as the Pascal Lamb. Jesus was a sacrifice. When God tested Abraham, God told him to sacrifice his most valuable thing his son to God, God stopped him. Jesus's death is God sacrificing God's most valuable thing, God's own son for US. But it was done. 3 days later after descending into Hell, paying our debt, Jesus awakens visits his friends & followers then returns to God. Jesus gave us a new Covenant part of that is not all sinners can go to Heaven. ONLY those who repent.
It appears that all azsuperman01 problems with Christianity stems from his lack of understanding of scripture. Ignorance is normally why people leave Christianity. And ingnorance is why people don't come to Christianity and embrace it whole-heartedly.
To easy. You are correct concerning the scriptures in Proverbs. However, concerning Jesus' death, God was not punishing Jesus for another persons sin. Jesus led a perfect life, but he laid down his life freely for us who have sinned but seek forgiveness of sin. We who are saved partake of his death through baptism. Further it is written "take up your cross daily". Daily the Christian is concerned that they are dying to "self" so that he/she may be more Christ-like.
You are taking that verse out of context. It was advice given to judges. It was not referring to God saving his sinful creation. Please read Bible verses in context.
Peopl are so evil and blind they justify the wicked and condem the just Jesus is a prime example he was innocent but he was condemed!(God did not condem Jesus the Jews did) As a christian one should always prepare to be condemed and perscuted by the self righteous people religeous people and the wicked!
Jesus Christ is not "a righteous man" , he is not "supernatural." He is the Son of God, God came as man. He is not nature souped up. He is God. He as man, was crucified, descended into Hell, God through him bought, secured for all who accept him as Son of God, & God , the Christian God, eternal life.
He did this to show his LOVE, LOVE, eternal matchless love the,theme of the Bible, His love not wanting this life to be all there is, not willing that any should perish. Thank you .
Remember in the Garden.. proof He was not just any man...He said if it was the Father's will to let this cup pass from Him. It was not the crucifixion he was speaking of. Christ , on the cross, took upon Himself the sins of the world, past present and future. All his blood for all mankind, once. He BECAME SIN. God cannot look on sin...this is a man..a mystery of the Bible...he descended into hell, conquered hell. He was separated completely from God as man, that was what he spoke of.
My error "He saw, he would.. should be he saw we would or could fall.
Misspellings. I have terrible vision problems. actual, object, and other.
apologies. Remember THE PLAN IN THE BIBLE; God created mankind to glorify him , to serve Him, to give them eternal life. That is what the Bible is about, Jesus Christ from beginning to end ,coming to buy us back . WHY
why did GOD send Jesus...to show his MATCHLESS LOVE, To save our souls and give us eternal life, not just this life, eternal life.
Error: Bible Study error. Christ was NOT just anyone. God is the author, it is His book, his way. His plan ande purpose was to create man, he saw he would, or could fall.Remember the rebel of Satan and what he does? He said I give them choice, they will fall or may, and I will make a way. Christ stood , because God wanted to do this, as a lamb slain before the foundation of the word. It is in the book to buy us back, himself. He was willing to come himself to earth, suffer and die to
To answer the acutal question your reasoning is faulty. You are comparing the law of the land, Caesar, with the spiritual world. Not the same. The object of hte law of the land is to punish the ACTUAL perp, not a stand in, for the acftual crime. The obhject of God, Jesus, in the SPIRITUAL world is for Jesus who fulfilled the law, due to his sinlessness, to purchase us eternal life, to overcome death and hell, to keep us FROM having that eternal punishment. kk Please please Read Romans 5 and 6.
Most of us fall way short of what our ideal picture of us as a Christian under fire
is..a martyr being burned alive, singing hymns of praise. I would not be doing that, I know. But I am a Christian, whatever I do. I am not trying to take people to hell or pervert their faith because I have had a bad experience. I have tried to reject God. I could not. I did not rant and rail publicly. He is going to get glory from you, one way or the other, you may not like it at all.
If you did believe you were not sufficiently grounded in the faith and fell away when the going became tough. You were a fairweather Christian, not tough enough to cut it. It is one thing to sit in a warm church on a soft pew, in good clothes, with your belly full among friends. It is quite another to live in a foreign country and have none of that, nor Bible, and stand up for the Lord. Someone hurt your feelings, they made fun of you in the way you are putting us down and you could not
You ask no tough questions here most Sunday School students without your
qualifications could answer.. Obviously you neve read the Bible from any stand point. I think this and if you really do not believe the Bible it will not bother you at all. Please read Hebrews 6:6 and Luke 12:10.. I personally do not believe you were ever a true believer in God, the Bible or Christ. You read or studiewd it from a skeptical point of view wanting proof, sight, unwilling to believe. If you ever
You said it doesn't matter who gets punished for the sin as long as it is someone. It does matter who gets punished. The who is the most important part. And the who volunteered. He was not tricked, talked into or forced.
You suggest that God approves of the killing of His Son. That He is in some way responsible for the free will action that He gave to his creations, ie Jesus' murderers. God allowed the sacrifice of His Son at the hands of men as an example of his love for all of mankind...even murderers.
I do, however find your question (or rather the manner in which it is presented in the "gotcha" style) amusing though. Keep it up. They make people think and ask questions, as it should be.
The questions aren't tough, the logic involved in Christianity isn't hard. The hard part is getting idiots to understand, the first 60 seconds here are so twisted it is hard to see it as anything but an out right intended destortion. The entire vid is laughable to any ten tear old I've ever known.
you know, those weren't exactly, hard questions. the entire time I was watching your video, I was shooting them all down one by one. And most of these weren't question, more like nonsuccessive attacks. There inst anything wrong with what WERE thinking. YOUR just confused. you miss understood allot of things.
OK first of all, God doesn't allow wicked people into heaven. He offers us the chance to give up our sins, so he can take them away. second, it wasn't necessarily a RIGHTEOUS man that needed to pay for our sins, it was someone who was entirely sinless. we've all done bad things, so none of us are sinless. and even if a man was able to live sinless, he's only one man. so he could only take the place of one person. God is infinite, so he can take everyones punishment.
first time commenting on one of your videos (which are great by the way!), the only way i can answer this from a third party view is that god willfully sacrificed himself to save all others, so like he didn't punish himself per se but rather he willfully self-sacrificed himself, which isn't totally true because he was reluctant at first so I don't know if that counts. well if it doesn't than good question :)
to justify-To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid
nowhere in scripture does Jesus say that sin is ok. He has given us the opportunity to be free from sin and to receive salvation, but nowhere was sin justified. He died on the cross so that we may have hope and freedom, but not to say that it's ok to sin.
I love what you're doing in your videos. You're relighting the fire of the investigative christian within me, my hands ache to grab my bible, study and find out more. I don't know whether that is your purpose, since I have only seen a handful of your videos so far, but I thank you nonetheless, it seems there is always a sliver more of knowledge to obtain.
honestly, from reading the bible, i believe God can bypass his own commandments and disobey His own rules, because no one can stop Him, or call Him out on it, i'm a christian and it took an atheist NOT a pastor to teach me the damn bible, and to open my eyes to certain things in the bible, i use to debate the crap out of atheist and call them liars, and that they knew nothing about the bible, but in reality i was the one who knew nothing about the bible.
@zipitup75 Even if such a God as presented in the Bible even exists, he is said to be eternal and unchanging. God sounds an awful lot nicer in the New Testament than in the Old, but he hasn't changed. Assuming the Bible is right, we are dealing with a megalomaniacal, omnipotent hypocrite. Given that, though I couldn't oppose an omnipotent being, I would most surely call him/it/whatever out as a hypocritical bully and suffer your Hell gladly rather than worship such a monstrous dictator.
@GayTempest i can agree with you, because i worship God and i was on the verge of getting baptize, then i started reading the bible deeply, just to find out its full of errors, and dishonesty, and lies that really crush me, it's not easy for me to believe that God doesnt exist, or that God is cruel and evil, i'll admit it, i'm scared to say anything against God, i've been a christian since i was 5 years old i'm 26 now. thats 21 years, the fear doesnt go away easily
@zipitup75 Oh I know. It wasn't until very recently for me that I completely worked through it, and I'm 30 and haven't been a Christian in 15 years! Read up on Pascal's Wager, then think: what if Christianity is wrong and Islam is right? What if Buddhism is right? Or Wicca? Or Catholicism? Or Hinduism? There is always going to be a "what if?" and no matter what, there are going to be a LOT of people who are wrong. What if they are all right in that there is a divinity, but their ideas are wrong?
@zipitup75 theres nothing to be afraid of. God inst going to hate you for making mistakes. He's not evil or cruel, he's just rational and justfull. but hes also loving and compassionate. And the bible isn't full of lies or even errors. people just tend to miss understand things. and I'm not talking about mistranslations. what I mean is people actually misread things
@timduder thanks for the encouragement, i was talking to this other christian and i was telling him that Jesus died for the sins of the world and he said no, He only died for some, to me that is just unfair if God did that, and i keep hearing about the elect, saying that some people are destine for hell from birth why would God allow that?
I answered this already, but since it came up again- Ill add to it. If God justified the guilty, then we would have sinners in heaven-He does NOT. You err.
Did God condemn Jesus? Jesus is not God but gave his life willingly -just as a man saves a drowning child and must give his life in the process. MEN condemned Jesus-God just knew what they would do. The Religion wanted him dead, because the people followed him. So yes, they have condemned the innocent.. Just as you also do. Jesus Lives and because of this-BELIEF is counted as righteousness to the unjust. "You are saved by Grace through faith."
@rolfinator1 What if Jesus had refuse to died for the sins of others? Since God had forknowledge that Jesus was going to follow the rules then Jesus had no choice or freewill.
as a follow up to my last comment, you may be thinking "well, if we christians should admit that we aren't sure, why don't scientists?". the answer to that is obvious: their view is the Big Bang THEORY! it is a theory. a theory is a possible explanation based on evidence gathered, but is not absolute. in short: it is a guess.
ok heres my overall view on the bible, (i know that this doesnt answer the question here, but it is my response to pretty much all of these questions): the bible is a book of fables; stories meant to teach us life lessons. the only time i get pissed at christians is when they try to pass off these fables as literal truth. We DO NOT know that Jehovah created the earth. Why can't christians just admit that they are not sure?
As a non-christian AND a bible reader, I take exception to the Christian notion that Christ was God and man. The person that Christians call Jesus was not god-like. Example: " And יהושע said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim." Mark 10:18. The Most High God is spirit only and has never, does not now, or will ever take on any physical form. The religion of the true Christ did not last long after his death. It's usurper is "Christianity" and IS an abomination.
@chrisalsup19 So, God doesn't need to obey his own laws? He can be "moral" while being guilty of acts he calls "abominations" when humans commit them?
@azsuperman01 stop being a wolf in sheep's clothing God's good but He's not gonna allow evil to run rampant. the smallest ounce of evil is intolerable-would you have it any other way? unless you consider every human being perfect, you can't-you know what? I'm not gonna finish this message-I'm gonna let the events do the talking.
@azsuperman01 Yep, that's the kind of crap christians believe. God can do everything he doesn't want humans to do, and not have it be wrong. And you'll notice the idiot you were responding to said jesus was fully human yet not a person, LOL. They love to contradict themselves.
@azsuperman01 If God is guilty of breaking his own law, or his own will, and defying the will of god is a sin, and he sinned unto himself then Jesus (being the manifestation of god) wasn't pure and his sacrifice wouldn't count. It does give credence to the idea that we still have to pay for our sins. But then what's the point.
Thanks for doing this series, I'm always on catholics (my mother specifically), always trying to ask hard hitting questions, this is just ammunition. :)
@azsuperman01 no GOD does not need to obey HIS laws we do!! the crimes we commit are against HIM therefore HE can either pardon or punish; it would be senseless for a criminal to justyfie another criminal only a judge can do that through a fine or imprissonment in this case though only jesus can pay the pennalty therefore justyfing the wicked you said you were a christian before how did you become 1 cause I KNOW FOR SURE YOU WERE NEVER ONE
@patriotsfan1379 What you've described is a hypocritical dictator. A being that can do whatever it wants has no concept of ethics or morality, and thus any moral system based on such a being is utterly meaningless.
@humanistheart unfortunately for you !! you live in HIS universe and are accountable to HIM weather you want to or not and that dude its your BIG problem as far as ethics and morality where do you think you got yours from ? man if left to himself only kills maims and destroys you are blind and pridefull
@patriotsfan1379 "you live in HIS universe and are accountable to HIM weather you want to or not"
That's called slavery. I know you're god has no problem with that, but no civilized society in the world allows it today. What does that tell you?
"as far as ethics and morality where do you think you got yours from" Common sense and logic. Which is why atheists have a much lower crime rate, as opposed to Christians.
@humanistheart how could a person who believes in swiss cheese have common sence? you are afool if you believe that atheiest have a high crime rate its just the moral kind like abortion, prostitution, trying to legalize drugs corruption you play that cheap trick on someone who doesn't know cause overhere you will get squashed
@patriotsfan1379 "you are afool if you believe that atheiest have a high crime rate i" That's true, I would be a fool if I believed atheists have a high crime rate, as the statistics show we have a significantly low crime rape, particularly concerning violent crimes like rape and murder.
@humanistheart like I said you are a fool fraud is just like rape you are a hipocrite all those high society crime its still crime just cause the justice system its in bed with you does not take away that a crime has been commited justice turns a blind eye on high crime athiest commit way more crimes JOSEPH STALIN WAS AN ATHIEST what an idiot hahhahahahah
@patriotsfan1379 You didn't even bother to put in periods or comma's and you're calling me an idiot? Should I also remind you that on average atheists have higher IQ's and education rates? At any rate, no, something is not a crime if it's not against the law. You could have said immoral or unethical but it's simply a lie to call it a crime. And no, fraud is not quite the same as rape as you claim. And stalin created a cult of personality that viewed him as a demi-god. That's theism there buddy.
@humanistheart no stalin was an athiest and every one admits to that exept people like you who want to look good and fraud its just like rape some of the worst crimes come through does like you who than have the power to shift blame athies are in no way better ahigher IQ? you people believe in swiss cheese what so intelligent bout that?
@patriotsfan1379 Do you honestly expect people to read that? No capitalization, no commas or periods, no grammatical structure nonsensical to the English language. I can only take a stab at what your attempting to say.
"stalin was an athiest " Again, see cult of personality. If you can't make an argument without lying you shouldn't try.
"fraud its just like rape" By all means say how you think misleading someone, like what you do, is the same as forcing sex on them non-consensually.
@patriotsfan1379 "athies are in no way better ahigher IQ?" I can only assume you meant to say atheists. And the facts say they are.
High IQ turns academics into atheists
12 June 2008
By Rebecca Attwood
^ Nyborg, Helmuth (2008-03). "The intelligence–religiosity nexus: A representative study of white adolescent Americans". doi:10.1016/j.intell.2008.08.003. Retrieved 2008-10-17.
@patriotsfan1379 As for swiss cheese, it exists. Why you randomly bring cheese into this is anyone's guess, but you don't have to believe in things that exist, you know they do. You meanwhile believe in a meaningless god.
@humanistheart not hipocritical but HOLLY and because 1 sin its punishable by death you cannot understand that cause you are a sinfull creature full of pride and self worth thats all
@patriotsfan1379 You can add the word holy, which is itself meaningless, all you like, it wouldn't change that a being that has no standard for itself and does whatever it pleases while telling others not to do or do things it won't follow is a hypocrite. An individual that forces its will with no authority other than power onto others is a dictator. And since sin is nothing more than something a certain being doesn't like, or wouldn't if it existed, it has no meaning either.
@humanistheart are you retarded? no really? I guess in your house kids do as they please since there is no one in authority huh? this is GODS univers NOT YOURS IT WAS MADE FOR HIS GLORY NOT YOURS you must think that all those people GOD got killed were nice no they were murderes rapers etc.. you need to shut up and read before you answer
@patriotsfan1379 What a curious and felacious post you made. So you think that my point that a being that forces its will on others, who kills, commits genocides and infanticides and slavery and rape does not constitute a moral bases, means that children are allowed to do whatever they want like your fictional god? How in your mind did that follow?
@humanistheart you hate GOD cause you want to be god you hate HIM cause HE is not like you want HIM to be you hate HIM cause HIS justice condemms you and HE does as HE wills in heaven and on earth including in your own insignificant life and yyyyyoooouuu hhhaaaattttee that don't you
@patriotsfan1379 And now you slip even further into lunacy. Rather than responding with intelligence or reason, or even anything cogent, you start rambling and dropping the word hate left and right. A word you've misspelled no less. Did you think that would get you anywhere? It wont change the fact the god of the bible is a hypocrite, and is a meaningless bases for morality.
@humanistheart take the log out of your eye I guess you don't make any mistakes do you hypocrite? but you do hate GOD look at you getting all angry cause someone is anseweryng your foolish assumptions hahahah you dont even realize that any morality that you might have comes from GOD you hate to think you owe HIM any thing you hate HIM and its plain to see
@patriotsfan1379 Why would I want to worship a god who is so demonically disposed that he needs to have his glory shown through predestining evil, suffering and death? As the calvinist god is sovereign, he could just as well have chosen other ways to show his glory. But as it is, we are basically told that we must worship and be thankful to a god who in his being and disposition is indistinguishable from the devil. (You may insert Romans 9 now.)
@patriotsfan1379 Oh, I'm the one getting angry now am I? Lets see, my posts have remained calm and rational, where as you have started petty name calling and, fallacious claims, and bad spelling like 'hhhhhaaaaaaatteeee' and 'yyuyyyyyou'.
As for morality, a god based morality is no better than any other tyrant based morality. You might as well say hitler is your bases for morality, which probably would be better than your fictional tyrant.
@humanistheart exodus 20;5, "" I THE LORD YOUR GOD AM A JELOUS GOD, PUNISHING CHILDREN FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE PARENTS, TO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION OF THOSE WHO REJECT ME""
@patriotsfan1379 And yet Ezechiel chapter 18 says: The son does not have to pay for the sins of the father, and the father does not have to pay for the sins of the son.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones those who reject HIM are pagans so HE punishes them n their children in Ezikiel 18;1 HE is talking to believers and believers only
@patriotsfan1379 1. If pagans reject your god, your god predestined them to reject him. 2. No, it doesn't... Check out Jesaja 66. Quit reading the word 'elect' in every passage.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones what the heck is a jesaja 66 ? and is it biblical? the word elect its addressed in all scripture from able to noha to abraham isaac to us in the new testament ephesians ch 1;1,13
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones isaiha 45;7 ""I form LIGHT AND I CREATE DARKNESS; i make peace and create evil ;i the lord do all these things"" AMOS 3;6 "'SHALL A TRUMPET BE BLOWN IN THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE NOT BE AFRAID? SHALL THERE BE EVIL IN A CITY, AND THE LORD HAS NOT DONE IT?
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones IT IS A YES HE did predestined that for HIS own glory and ends and its not the calvinist god it is the GOD of the bible the one you so much resent being in sovereign control over HIS creatures the one the natural man cannot understan cause HIS ways can only be understood with the help of THE HOLY SPIRIT the carnal mind cannot submit to the things of GOD is that you? arminianist? humanist?
@patriotsfan1379 I'm everything except a misanthropical, human-hating, god-defaming groveler who calls the darkness the light and the light the darkness. Your god is completely random, arbitrary and cruel. On top off that, his capability for love and compassion seems to be more limited than that of human beings.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones not at all a child or a immature person blames a grown man thinks and aknowledges and understands the reasons as to why!! therefore knows who is ultimatly responsible ; immaturity says ( on a human that is) if its not selfserving to me it must not be fair
@patriotsfan1379 "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 18:3.
@chrisalsup19 Why are are you not answering azsuperman;s question? does God need to obey his own laws? and be moral while being guilty of acts he call abominations when man commit them!!!
Yeah, sure "Einstein", Jesus was both a square and a circle at the same time ;) Was omniscient, while forgetting what he had for breakfast. Yes, it makes a lot of sense. . .
I still have trouble believing adults believe this rubbish. IT's story time with the Good book people- it's so amazing how it captivates and brainwashes for thousands of generatons- its changes detail of course but the lies keeps on ticking. If the guys that wrote the bible were alive today they would own allpharmacutical companies,manufature agriculture product, control all goverment and control Ruperet Murdock- and have their own reality show called "keeping up with the sheep hearders"
wisdom comes from God. Jesus became our sin offering . This means Jesus who was pure became filthy with our sin, thus making God punish his son in Hell , until God said , That was enough and rose him out of hell . Then walked on this Earth (which is documented in history and cannot be disproved) to conquer your grave
@AMBASSADORSAMUEL "which is documented in history and cannot be disproved".. if you think that the bible is an accurate source for history then OKKKAYYY.. I believe harry potter is even more accurate.
What did god sacrifice? couldnt he make another "perfect" son?
According to the book, jesus didnt even receive eternal punishment, so how is that even close to being a sacrifice for our "sin"?
I think we ought to understand that Jesus Himself as the Lamb of God WANTED to be condemned for our sins.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
If god did know what was going to happen in advance or worse, he planned it all, then he is responsible for Adam's sin, etc. Since there wasn't free will, he caused it all (like Pharaoh) and therefore we cannot be held accountable for obeying god's will. Besides, the Bible also says it is wrong to punish someone for someone else's sin. good vid.
@moniquepotts Who's gonna do what now???Truth, Lives...I mean Lies, grab the reigns jesus...MORE LOVE FOREVER..AFRAID OF REIGNS...MORE SHALL SAVE UR...SRRY...HEY I'M...I'm just delusional, and this is what my moments of clarity look like! :)
I'm not denying your precision of scripture ( its dead on) I just think that your roles of "who did what" probably needs looking at again. I don't know. :-/
Lastly, our court system is way more crappy than God's judgment. If our court was in Gods shoes we would have BEEN charged both the false accuser and the guilty ( both humanity) to prison. Since when do our court forgive people that exceed more than one charge? Never. Unless he or she bribes which is more proof of how inferior our court system is to Gods judgment!
If our court system worked like God's then we'd send innocent people to prison just to make sure SOMEONE got punished for every crime - regardless of whether they had committed it or not.
@azsuperman01 Not to be a jerk but IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ON EARTH. I didn't intend to do that sentence rudely ( sorry if it appeared that way). Anyway, like I said I think humans were the judge on God since God was Jesus. We didn't have to kill God but we did. We also ( I forgot the criminals name) replaced our innocent God with a criminal.
All stupid religions are an abomination. None of them can agree on anything, and none of them are holy.
smurfboywv 1 month ago
How about God did this; X deserves to be tortured forever in hell and he sends Y to be tortured it hell instead. Makes the same amount of sense.
MrEmeraldfusion 2 months ago
AZ, you stated "when I was a Christian", then went on to your argument. What ever brought you out of Christianity? The devil must really be planting seeds of doubt in your mind. Rightousness is not something man can possess. He is not capable of being Holy. Only GOD. Therefore you cannot cover/cleanse unrightousness(man) with rightousness(GOD). The sacrifice had to come from a rightous person (JC) in order to make the unrightous Holy unto GOD. (How much of the bible did you study "when"?)
ubuyused 3 months ago
Truly the contradictions of Christianity are a wonder to behold.
stevehayes13 4 months ago 2
You need to look up what a "strawman" argument is. You set all the criteria, then prove your own position which is not rooted in science. You know the science you assert so vehemently. "The Just" means Jesus, not any human being. Your argument is so ludicrous and Im really surprised no one has called you on it thus far. Logic suggests that all terms must be defined by the author, not the reader. Its called context. Do you do this with all other literary pieces or are you impartial to the "book"?
autofill67 4 months ago
@autofill67 If "The Just" means Jesus, then this verse clearly states that it is an abomination to condemn him while letting the wicked go unpunished. If you don't think this applies to Jesus, then please explain why, and cite your biblical sources either showing that Jesus was not just - and therefore this wouldn't apply - or that says this verse only applies to humans, and God doesn't have to follow his own rules.
azsuperman01 4 months ago
@StopSlaveSpecies YOU CANT ADD BOOKS TO THE BIBLE THAT WERE WRITTEN IN 300AD ,,,The bible isnt the translation you have in your hand anyway,,,the bible or GODs word,,,is COMPILATION OF ALL SCROLLS,,,BUT NOT ANYTHING WRITTEN AFTER THE FIRST CENTURY
candiceevans1 5 months ago
@candiceevans1 There's not even such a thing as 'THE BIBLE', there are dozens of different bibles with different cannons. Different books, means a different compilation, and they all claim to be THE bible. But they can't all be, thus the bibles is more apt.
humanistheart 4 months ago
That is a Damn Good Point!
PastorIblis 6 months ago
no, no no no,,,,,it does matter who gets punished,,,the sacrifice had to be worth all the men that were to be saved,,,there was no man righteous,,,one man sinned and brought death into the world and condemned all races,,,,one perfect man was sacrificed to redeem all races,,,it just makes me crazy the misrepresentation ,,,and it makes me crazy that you say you sat in a church for years and that you dont understand the Gospel
candiceevans1 6 months ago
@candiceevans1 That's the point. He "sacrificed" an innocent to "save" the guilty. It doesn't matter if the one was worth all of them or not.
slickrick9009 5 months ago
@slickrick9009 It does matter because we wouldnt have been saved if Jesus wasnt fully GOD fully man AND A PERFECT SINLESS SACRIFICE,,,and Jesus said no one takes my life from me,,,I lay it down of my own accord and I take it back up again for this power has been given to me by my FATHER. JESUS WAS GOD,,,GOD SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR YOU!
candiceevans1 5 months ago
@candiceevans1 What a sacrifice. An almighty being made a human form of himself and killed it. Let it go to Hell for awhile and now he has TWO forms of himself in Heaven for all of eternity. How hard that must have been for him to do. I'm not here to debate, there are plenty of videos here on youtube that are perfectly able to express any and all doubts I would have. If you are open minded enough to change you'll be looking them up yourself and if you're not then I can't change that.
slickrick9009 5 months ago
@candiceevans1 It sounds like he sacrificed an incarnate human form to appease himself. You know if the god of the bible wasn't such a moronic ass it wouldn't have needed that in the first place. The whole thing makes no sense.
humanistheart 4 months ago
@candiceevans1 I think he understands it quiet well. He's just trying to explain to gullible idiots like yourself why your "gospel" is complete BULLSHIT.
SPINNERofFLAGS 5 months ago
@patriotsfan1379....do you see what these TULIP doctrines & calvinism have done to you? You come off completely incoherent & unsound, its like your doing drugs!
& why are you so full of BITTERNESS?
Like everyone else here, I have no concept or idea as to WHAT you were trying to convey--
apollos6640 6 months ago
dang you don't need to go that far into the bible to see the god of the jews would reject christianity
'have no other gods before me' does it
GodsArePeopleToo 6 months ago
@Patriotsfan1379 oh but that's only HALF the story! You also believe in Exhaustive Determinism! That alone being nothing more than Theistic Fatalism. Tell them that you believe that every child rape, every murder, every drug-overdose, every gang-rape or abortion was Decreed & Ordained by your ALL-POWERFUL SOVEREIGN god. That EVERYTHING that happens was PREDESTINED by Him, yet, you say he's suppose to remain innocent. What a pathetic blind-guide you are! These people Blaspheme God because of you.
apollos6640 6 months ago
@Patriotsfan1379 let me help you tell these OTHER sinners your calvininian "gospel":
Because of Adams fall, God purposely manufactures defective Sinners in the womb, women give birth to DEAD babies, preprogrammed to Sin & ONLY Sin, lacking ALL ability to Repent or beg for mercy, the majority HATED by Him "Before having done anything either good or bad" & PREDESTINED for HELL , & a few SELECTED for Heaven!!
& you believe YOUR one of them PREDESTINED for heaven No matter how wicked you behave!
apollos6640 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 "...how does that Verse prove that God has to obey His own commandments?"
I suppose that you also beieve that God iin the Flesh did NOT have to obey the Fathers commandments either right? Imposter!reae it again,"Be Holy as I am Holy" unless the god you worship is a hypocrite, than you ought to imitate Him in all your conduct.
Tell 'em what you REALLY believe your hate-filled, callous, wolf in sheeps clothing!
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 he is talking about GOD the father you idiot!!!
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 "He is talking about God the father yu idiot!!"
WHAT DO YOU CARE? You're "god" PREDESTINED, ORDAINED and DECREED every word out of His mouth, you IMPOSTER to Christianity! You should be consistent and GLORIFY the SOVEREIGNTY of GOD as he balsphemes His name in very much the same way you do. There's nothing but HATRED & CONDEMNATION in your heart, you make me sick you worker of iniquity! You haven't been "regenerated", youre a Willfull slave To the devil walking in shackels
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 your god is not sovereign he has to wait for man in order to act you are a HERETIC and definately not christian thats for sure
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Matthew 5:21-22. But I guess this doesn't count when you're trashing reprobates, rite?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones this is talking about other christins brothers not anyone else pluse am not angry if you are talking about apollos6640 never was JESUS kind to either the phareesees or any religious person who tried to lay down a false teaching neither was paul against false teachers including in galatians were he he reproofs peter in front of everyone
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 I heard it all before... It's amazing how some people have this inherent capability of sifting out verses and contexts in order to somehow get around the fact that what they are doing is in contrast to said verses. I'm part of that club as well, BTW.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones maybe all you want its a god of love who never rejects anyone and who always has a kind word for all including those who are against him and try to lay down false doctrine maybe we should just all put doctrine aside and let us all love everyone after all your truth its just as good as mine huh ? but not in your world huh?
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Listen: your god does not 'reject' people because they have sinned or committed evil, your god has rejected people RANDOMLY, and has predestined this to happen, even BEFORE the Fall of Man.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones it is the GOD of the bible my and yours wether you aknowledge it or not it is still so!!!! IT IS HIS UNIVERSE AND HE RULES IT HOWEVER HE CHOOSES HAVING MERCY ON SOME AND GIVING JUSTICE TO OTHERS IT IS HIS NOT YOURS!!! AND IT IS DONE NOT RANDOMLY BUT PURPOSELY AND ACCORDING WITH THE COUNCIL OF HIS WILL!!! FOR HIS GLORY !!! AMEN AND AMEN
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Uhm no. Your god is not my God. I might as well worship the devil if I was to believe in a god the way you do.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones you allready do the only difference is that you think that you don't but you do its so ovious I can see it a mile away
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Obvious? You admitted your god predestined the Holocaust to occur and you dare call my take on God satanic? See a doctor.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Ten, admittedly patriots cannot make a cogent argument. However that would be true about the predestination, if you believe the god was all knowing and the creator. Free will cannot exist in that schema.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart Reason why I do not believe in predestination to begin with.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones What is?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart In calvinism, predestination entails that the Supreme Being not only allows, but actively WILLS evil to occur. This is brushed up a bit by bringing in the 'mysterious masterplan' of this god, which makes these evils not only necessary, but justifiable.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones How curious. I have to know, how does one make killing children or raping women justifiable?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart Look at Patriot's replies. It sums it up neatly. All evil, in the end, is part of the masterplan of his god, and ultimately is meant solely for the glorification of his god.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
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@TennesseeOwnsMyBones I thought you were the one claiming that?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones no HE doesn't will evil to occur man is evil GOD restraints evil but allows it to happen in certain circumstancess to advance HIS purpouse to gloryfie HIMSELF first but also to ultimatly to gloryfie those who are being saved you don't understand that cause you are selfish
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 That is calvinist doublespeak. If your god allows evil, and he is completely sovereign and in charge of the world, then he also wills it. You cannot shift the blame for evil on creatures (devils, humans) who do not have an iota of free will to do or do not as they please. I support the dualist notion.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones don't put word I didn't say I did not say your god is satanic I said you do serve the devil even thought you don't know that you do ultimately though both do serve GODS purpose there are means to an end different end in different people they will eithr harden you or make you soft and moldable for GODS use the greatest evil foreordained by GOD acts ch;2 JESUS crucifiction has brought a greater good to those who are being saved there is always a purpouse
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 "no GOD does not need to obey HIS laws we do!!"
Speak for yourself you self-righteous, prideful, condscending Imposter to Christianity!
1 Peter 1:15-16 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy."
What you worship is NOT from heaven, but from the pits of HELL.
Why don't you share your unbiblical calvinistic "gospel" w/these people already & GLORIFY the SOVEREIGNTY of God!
apollos6640 7 months ago
@apollos6640HERETIC
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@apollos6640 your responses make no sense how does that verse prove that GOD has to obey HIS own commandments? HERETIC
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@apollos6640 LIKE I SAID BEFORE !!!!! HERETIC!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
One cold, winter day, a man looked out the window and saw many birds freezing cold and dying without food. So he went to his barn, set up a place for the birds, put food in the barn, and heated up the barn for the birds. There was one problem. How could he tell the birds to enter the barn which was a good place for the birds? The only way is to turn into a bird and tell them. Jesus has a place for us in heaven. He turned into a human to tell us that there is a place for us!
wasqe324 7 months ago
The Jews and the romans condemnd Jesus not God. It was unjust for them to do what they did.
MissChaceurz 8 months ago
Jesus is referred to as the Pascal Lamb. Jesus was a sacrifice. When God tested Abraham, God told him to sacrifice his most valuable thing his son to God, God stopped him. Jesus's death is God sacrificing God's most valuable thing, God's own son for US. But it was done. 3 days later after descending into Hell, paying our debt, Jesus awakens visits his friends & followers then returns to God. Jesus gave us a new Covenant part of that is not all sinners can go to Heaven. ONLY those who repent.
etonks 8 months ago
It appears that all azsuperman01 problems with Christianity stems from his lack of understanding of scripture. Ignorance is normally why people leave Christianity. And ingnorance is why people don't come to Christianity and embrace it whole-heartedly.
elinikk 8 months ago
To easy. You are correct concerning the scriptures in Proverbs. However, concerning Jesus' death, God was not punishing Jesus for another persons sin. Jesus led a perfect life, but he laid down his life freely for us who have sinned but seek forgiveness of sin. We who are saved partake of his death through baptism. Further it is written "take up your cross daily". Daily the Christian is concerned that they are dying to "self" so that he/she may be more Christ-like.
elinikk 8 months ago
You are taking that verse out of context. It was advice given to judges. It was not referring to God saving his sinful creation. Please read Bible verses in context.
savedbyjesusblood 8 months ago
Peopl are so evil and blind they justify the wicked and condem the just Jesus is a prime example he was innocent but he was condemed!(God did not condem Jesus the Jews did) As a christian one should always prepare to be condemed and perscuted by the self righteous people religeous people and the wicked!
MissChaceurz 9 months ago
Jesus Christ is not "a righteous man" , he is not "supernatural." He is the Son of God, God came as man. He is not nature souped up. He is God. He as man, was crucified, descended into Hell, God through him bought, secured for all who accept him as Son of God, & God , the Christian God, eternal life.
He did this to show his LOVE, LOVE, eternal matchless love the,theme of the Bible, His love not wanting this life to be all there is, not willing that any should perish. Thank you .
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
@HALLELUZZ777 If you don't believe in me I'll torture you for all eternity is LOVE to you? Really?
humanistheart 10 months ago
@HALLELUZZ777, prove it...that's what the holy bible says, but prove it
WilliamMason352 8 months ago in playlist Bible info
@WilliamMason352 Which bible is holy? There are numerous bibles so which one is 'the bible'?
humanistheart 7 months ago
Remember in the Garden.. proof He was not just any man...He said if it was the Father's will to let this cup pass from Him. It was not the crucifixion he was speaking of. Christ , on the cross, took upon Himself the sins of the world, past present and future. All his blood for all mankind, once. He BECAME SIN. God cannot look on sin...this is a man..a mystery of the Bible...he descended into hell, conquered hell. He was separated completely from God as man, that was what he spoke of.
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
My error "He saw, he would.. should be he saw we would or could fall.
Misspellings. I have terrible vision problems. actual, object, and other.
apologies. Remember THE PLAN IN THE BIBLE; God created mankind to glorify him , to serve Him, to give them eternal life. That is what the Bible is about, Jesus Christ from beginning to end ,coming to buy us back . WHY
why did GOD send Jesus...to show his MATCHLESS LOVE, To save our souls and give us eternal life, not just this life, eternal life.
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
Error: Bible Study error. Christ was NOT just anyone. God is the author, it is His book, his way. His plan ande purpose was to create man, he saw he would, or could fall.Remember the rebel of Satan and what he does? He said I give them choice, they will fall or may, and I will make a way. Christ stood , because God wanted to do this, as a lamb slain before the foundation of the word. It is in the book to buy us back, himself. He was willing to come himself to earth, suffer and die to
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
To answer the acutal question your reasoning is faulty. You are comparing the law of the land, Caesar, with the spiritual world. Not the same. The object of hte law of the land is to punish the ACTUAL perp, not a stand in, for the acftual crime. The obhject of God, Jesus, in the SPIRITUAL world is for Jesus who fulfilled the law, due to his sinlessness, to purchase us eternal life, to overcome death and hell, to keep us FROM having that eternal punishment. kk Please please Read Romans 5 and 6.
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
Most of us fall way short of what our ideal picture of us as a Christian under fire
is..a martyr being burned alive, singing hymns of praise. I would not be doing that, I know. But I am a Christian, whatever I do. I am not trying to take people to hell or pervert their faith because I have had a bad experience. I have tried to reject God. I could not. I did not rant and rail publicly. He is going to get glory from you, one way or the other, you may not like it at all.
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
If you did believe you were not sufficiently grounded in the faith and fell away when the going became tough. You were a fairweather Christian, not tough enough to cut it. It is one thing to sit in a warm church on a soft pew, in good clothes, with your belly full among friends. It is quite another to live in a foreign country and have none of that, nor Bible, and stand up for the Lord. Someone hurt your feelings, they made fun of you in the way you are putting us down and you could not
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
You ask no tough questions here most Sunday School students without your
qualifications could answer.. Obviously you neve read the Bible from any stand point. I think this and if you really do not believe the Bible it will not bother you at all. Please read Hebrews 6:6 and Luke 12:10.. I personally do not believe you were ever a true believer in God, the Bible or Christ. You read or studiewd it from a skeptical point of view wanting proof, sight, unwilling to believe. If you ever
HALLELUZZ777 11 months ago
You said it doesn't matter who gets punished for the sin as long as it is someone. It does matter who gets punished. The who is the most important part. And the who volunteered. He was not tricked, talked into or forced.
theflarpus 11 months ago
I pray one day you really want an answer to your question. It's so obvious you must not want to see it. Purify his hear Lord so he can see you.
thammack36 1 year ago
You suggest that God approves of the killing of His Son. That He is in some way responsible for the free will action that He gave to his creations, ie Jesus' murderers. God allowed the sacrifice of His Son at the hands of men as an example of his love for all of mankind...even murderers.
I do, however find your question (or rather the manner in which it is presented in the "gotcha" style) amusing though. Keep it up. They make people think and ask questions, as it should be.
God bless you.
gerry4ta 1 year ago
The questions aren't tough, the logic involved in Christianity isn't hard. The hard part is getting idiots to understand, the first 60 seconds here are so twisted it is hard to see it as anything but an out right intended destortion. The entire vid is laughable to any ten tear old I've ever known.
daddyg321 1 year ago
you know, those weren't exactly, hard questions. the entire time I was watching your video, I was shooting them all down one by one. And most of these weren't question, more like nonsuccessive attacks. There inst anything wrong with what WERE thinking. YOUR just confused. you miss understood allot of things.
timduder 1 year ago
OK first of all, God doesn't allow wicked people into heaven. He offers us the chance to give up our sins, so he can take them away. second, it wasn't necessarily a RIGHTEOUS man that needed to pay for our sins, it was someone who was entirely sinless. we've all done bad things, so none of us are sinless. and even if a man was able to live sinless, he's only one man. so he could only take the place of one person. God is infinite, so he can take everyones punishment.
timduder 1 year ago
first time commenting on one of your videos (which are great by the way!), the only way i can answer this from a third party view is that god willfully sacrificed himself to save all others, so like he didn't punish himself per se but rather he willfully self-sacrificed himself, which isn't totally true because he was reluctant at first so I don't know if that counts. well if it doesn't than good question :)
NDBNTZ 1 year ago
to justify-To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid
nowhere in scripture does Jesus say that sin is ok. He has given us the opportunity to be free from sin and to receive salvation, but nowhere was sin justified. He died on the cross so that we may have hope and freedom, but not to say that it's ok to sin.
hope that answers your question!
mprata729 1 year ago
I love what you're doing in your videos. You're relighting the fire of the investigative christian within me, my hands ache to grab my bible, study and find out more. I don't know whether that is your purpose, since I have only seen a handful of your videos so far, but I thank you nonetheless, it seems there is always a sliver more of knowledge to obtain.
Snowpact 1 year ago
getting killed then coming back to life to become the ruler of the universe doesn't sound like the ultimate sacrifice to me
ezelouie 1 year ago
Yahweh commited deicide upon himself. lol
JakeLL 1 year ago
honestly, from reading the bible, i believe God can bypass his own commandments and disobey His own rules, because no one can stop Him, or call Him out on it, i'm a christian and it took an atheist NOT a pastor to teach me the damn bible, and to open my eyes to certain things in the bible, i use to debate the crap out of atheist and call them liars, and that they knew nothing about the bible, but in reality i was the one who knew nothing about the bible.
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 Even if such a God as presented in the Bible even exists, he is said to be eternal and unchanging. God sounds an awful lot nicer in the New Testament than in the Old, but he hasn't changed. Assuming the Bible is right, we are dealing with a megalomaniacal, omnipotent hypocrite. Given that, though I couldn't oppose an omnipotent being, I would most surely call him/it/whatever out as a hypocritical bully and suffer your Hell gladly rather than worship such a monstrous dictator.
GayTempest 1 year ago
@GayTempest i can agree with you, because i worship God and i was on the verge of getting baptize, then i started reading the bible deeply, just to find out its full of errors, and dishonesty, and lies that really crush me, it's not easy for me to believe that God doesnt exist, or that God is cruel and evil, i'll admit it, i'm scared to say anything against God, i've been a christian since i was 5 years old i'm 26 now. thats 21 years, the fear doesnt go away easily
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 Oh I know. It wasn't until very recently for me that I completely worked through it, and I'm 30 and haven't been a Christian in 15 years! Read up on Pascal's Wager, then think: what if Christianity is wrong and Islam is right? What if Buddhism is right? Or Wicca? Or Catholicism? Or Hinduism? There is always going to be a "what if?" and no matter what, there are going to be a LOT of people who are wrong. What if they are all right in that there is a divinity, but their ideas are wrong?
GayTempest 1 year ago
@zipitup75 theres nothing to be afraid of. God inst going to hate you for making mistakes. He's not evil or cruel, he's just rational and justfull. but hes also loving and compassionate. And the bible isn't full of lies or even errors. people just tend to miss understand things. and I'm not talking about mistranslations. what I mean is people actually misread things
timduder 1 year ago
@timduder thanks for the encouragement, i was talking to this other christian and i was telling him that Jesus died for the sins of the world and he said no, He only died for some, to me that is just unfair if God did that, and i keep hearing about the elect, saying that some people are destine for hell from birth why would God allow that?
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 Why does he send you to hell if he loves you so much. He loves you as long as you kiss his ass and tell him how awsesome he is.
spikeman23 1 year ago
@spikeman23 He only loves those who love Him or whomever He choose to love
zipitup75 1 year ago
@spikeman23 God loves without exception. He even loves you.
God bless.
gerry4ta 1 year ago
I answered this already, but since it came up again- Ill add to it. If God justified the guilty, then we would have sinners in heaven-He does NOT. You err.
IslandMystic 1 year ago
Did God condemn Jesus? Jesus is not God but gave his life willingly -just as a man saves a drowning child and must give his life in the process. MEN condemned Jesus-God just knew what they would do. The Religion wanted him dead, because the people followed him. So yes, they have condemned the innocent.. Just as you also do. Jesus Lives and because of this-BELIEF is counted as righteousness to the unjust. "You are saved by Grace through faith."
IslandMystic 1 year ago
after reading some reactions its clear,,,religious people are all imbeciels
robot015 1 year ago 2
@robot015
Well, I would like to take that personally, but I won't ;).
560 comments out of roughly 3 billion religious people really don't cut the math for me, my good friend :). But I see your point.
Snowpact 1 year ago
To preach without study is void.
agthorn 1 year ago
Hey props to you, great videos
spacedog1973 1 year ago
If God's will changes, as in this case,
and if he engages in hypocrisy that defies his own, previous will, as in this case
And if defying the will of god is a sin
Then he sinned against himself
And if Jesus is a manifestation of god
Jesus then couldn't be considered pure of sin
His sacrifice wouldn't count, rendering the whole ordeal meaningless
The other alternative is to believe God is above his own harsh judgment; to that I ask why pray to such a tyrant?
Insomnia418 1 year ago
chrisalsup, what , if anything, does "Jesus was fully man AND fully god" mean?
First, define god.
purbrookian 1 year ago
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Yep, there's nothing more disgusting than the abrahamic religions.
humanistheart 1 year ago
god didnt force him,jesus went of his free will
rolfinator1 1 year ago
@rolfinator1 What if Jesus had refuse to died for the sins of others? Since God had forknowledge that Jesus was going to follow the rules then Jesus had no choice or freewill.
quebec10000 1 year ago
@quebec10000 true and i am not a Christian i was just making the point that Jesus wasn't condemned but took the ''blame''
rolfinator1 1 year ago
as a follow up to my last comment, you may be thinking "well, if we christians should admit that we aren't sure, why don't scientists?". the answer to that is obvious: their view is the Big Bang THEORY! it is a theory. a theory is a possible explanation based on evidence gathered, but is not absolute. in short: it is a guess.
TheOnlyAttrition 1 year ago
ok heres my overall view on the bible, (i know that this doesnt answer the question here, but it is my response to pretty much all of these questions): the bible is a book of fables; stories meant to teach us life lessons. the only time i get pissed at christians is when they try to pass off these fables as literal truth. We DO NOT know that Jehovah created the earth. Why can't christians just admit that they are not sure?
TheOnlyAttrition 1 year ago
The "christian" doctrine we have today is not based on the bible.
ibrowzu 1 year ago
Wow your good..
kevykev38 1 year ago
As a non-christian AND a bible reader, I take exception to the Christian notion that Christ was God and man. The person that Christians call Jesus was not god-like. Example: " And יהושע said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim." Mark 10:18. The Most High God is spirit only and has never, does not now, or will ever take on any physical form. The religion of the true Christ did not last long after his death. It's usurper is "Christianity" and IS an abomination.
7greenjeans7 1 year ago
@7greenjeans7 thank you, very much for that. see, human beings are capable of understanding, there is HOPE!! be happy
mikese93 1 year ago
He is speaking of mankind. You even said "a person". God is not a person and neither was Jesus. Jesus was fully man AND fully God.
chrisalsup19 1 year ago
@chrisalsup19 So, God doesn't need to obey his own laws? He can be "moral" while being guilty of acts he calls "abominations" when humans commit them?
azsuperman01 1 year ago 3
@azsuperman01 stop being a wolf in sheep's clothing God's good but He's not gonna allow evil to run rampant. the smallest ounce of evil is intolerable-would you have it any other way? unless you consider every human being perfect, you can't-you know what? I'm not gonna finish this message-I'm gonna let the events do the talking.
mikese93 1 year ago
@azsuperman01 Yep, that's the kind of crap christians believe. God can do everything he doesn't want humans to do, and not have it be wrong. And you'll notice the idiot you were responding to said jesus was fully human yet not a person, LOL. They love to contradict themselves.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@azsuperman01 If God is guilty of breaking his own law, or his own will, and defying the will of god is a sin, and he sinned unto himself then Jesus (being the manifestation of god) wasn't pure and his sacrifice wouldn't count. It does give credence to the idea that we still have to pay for our sins. But then what's the point.
Thanks for doing this series, I'm always on catholics (my mother specifically), always trying to ask hard hitting questions, this is just ammunition. :)
Insomnia418 1 year ago
@azsuperman01 no GOD does not need to obey HIS laws we do!! the crimes we commit are against HIM therefore HE can either pardon or punish; it would be senseless for a criminal to justyfie another criminal only a judge can do that through a fine or imprissonment in this case though only jesus can pay the pennalty therefore justyfing the wicked you said you were a christian before how did you become 1 cause I KNOW FOR SURE YOU WERE NEVER ONE
patriotsfan1379 8 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 What you've described is a hypocritical dictator. A being that can do whatever it wants has no concept of ethics or morality, and thus any moral system based on such a being is utterly meaningless.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@humanistheart unfortunately for you !! you live in HIS universe and are accountable to HIM weather you want to or not and that dude its your BIG problem as far as ethics and morality where do you think you got yours from ? man if left to himself only kills maims and destroys you are blind and pridefull
patriotsfan1379 7 months ago
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@patriotsfan1379 "you live in HIS universe and are accountable to HIM weather you want to or not"
That's called slavery. I know you're god has no problem with that, but no civilized society in the world allows it today. What does that tell you?
"as far as ethics and morality where do you think you got yours from" Common sense and logic. Which is why atheists have a much lower crime rate, as opposed to Christians.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@humanistheart how could a person who believes in swiss cheese have common sence? you are afool if you believe that atheiest have a high crime rate its just the moral kind like abortion, prostitution, trying to legalize drugs corruption you play that cheap trick on someone who doesn't know cause overhere you will get squashed
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 "you are afool if you believe that atheiest have a high crime rate i" That's true, I would be a fool if I believed atheists have a high crime rate, as the statistics show we have a significantly low crime rape, particularly concerning violent crimes like rape and murder.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart like I said you are a fool fraud is just like rape you are a hipocrite all those high society crime its still crime just cause the justice system its in bed with you does not take away that a crime has been commited justice turns a blind eye on high crime athiest commit way more crimes JOSEPH STALIN WAS AN ATHIEST what an idiot hahhahahahah
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 You didn't even bother to put in periods or comma's and you're calling me an idiot? Should I also remind you that on average atheists have higher IQ's and education rates? At any rate, no, something is not a crime if it's not against the law. You could have said immoral or unethical but it's simply a lie to call it a crime. And no, fraud is not quite the same as rape as you claim. And stalin created a cult of personality that viewed him as a demi-god. That's theism there buddy.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart no stalin was an athiest and every one admits to that exept people like you who want to look good and fraud its just like rape some of the worst crimes come through does like you who than have the power to shift blame athies are in no way better ahigher IQ? you people believe in swiss cheese what so intelligent bout that?
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Do you honestly expect people to read that? No capitalization, no commas or periods, no grammatical structure nonsensical to the English language. I can only take a stab at what your attempting to say.
"stalin was an athiest " Again, see cult of personality. If you can't make an argument without lying you shouldn't try.
"fraud its just like rape" By all means say how you think misleading someone, like what you do, is the same as forcing sex on them non-consensually.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 "athies are in no way better ahigher IQ?" I can only assume you meant to say atheists. And the facts say they are.
High IQ turns academics into atheists
12 June 2008
By Rebecca Attwood
^ Nyborg, Helmuth (2008-03). "The intelligence–religiosity nexus: A representative study of white adolescent Americans". doi:10.1016/j.intell.2008.08.003. Retrieved 2008-10-17.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 As for swiss cheese, it exists. Why you randomly bring cheese into this is anyone's guess, but you don't have to believe in things that exist, you know they do. You meanwhile believe in a meaningless god.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart not hipocritical but HOLLY and because 1 sin its punishable by death you cannot understand that cause you are a sinfull creature full of pride and self worth thats all
patriotsfan1379 7 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 You can add the word holy, which is itself meaningless, all you like, it wouldn't change that a being that has no standard for itself and does whatever it pleases while telling others not to do or do things it won't follow is a hypocrite. An individual that forces its will with no authority other than power onto others is a dictator. And since sin is nothing more than something a certain being doesn't like, or wouldn't if it existed, it has no meaning either.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@humanistheart are you retarded? no really? I guess in your house kids do as they please since there is no one in authority huh? this is GODS univers NOT YOURS IT WAS MADE FOR HIS GLORY NOT YOURS you must think that all those people GOD got killed were nice no they were murderes rapers etc.. you need to shut up and read before you answer
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 What a curious and felacious post you made. So you think that my point that a being that forces its will on others, who kills, commits genocides and infanticides and slavery and rape does not constitute a moral bases, means that children are allowed to do whatever they want like your fictional god? How in your mind did that follow?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart you hate GOD cause you want to be god you hate HIM cause HE is not like you want HIM to be you hate HIM cause HIS justice condemms you and HE does as HE wills in heaven and on earth including in your own insignificant life and yyyyyoooouuu hhhaaaattttee that don't you
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 And now you slip even further into lunacy. Rather than responding with intelligence or reason, or even anything cogent, you start rambling and dropping the word hate left and right. A word you've misspelled no less. Did you think that would get you anywhere? It wont change the fact the god of the bible is a hypocrite, and is a meaningless bases for morality.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart take the log out of your eye I guess you don't make any mistakes do you hypocrite? but you do hate GOD look at you getting all angry cause someone is anseweryng your foolish assumptions hahahah you dont even realize that any morality that you might have comes from GOD you hate to think you owe HIM any thing you hate HIM and its plain to see
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Why would I want to worship a god who is so demonically disposed that he needs to have his glory shown through predestining evil, suffering and death? As the calvinist god is sovereign, he could just as well have chosen other ways to show his glory. But as it is, we are basically told that we must worship and be thankful to a god who in his being and disposition is indistinguishable from the devil. (You may insert Romans 9 now.)
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Oh, I'm the one getting angry now am I? Lets see, my posts have remained calm and rational, where as you have started petty name calling and, fallacious claims, and bad spelling like 'hhhhhaaaaaaatteeee' and 'yyuyyyyyou'.
As for morality, a god based morality is no better than any other tyrant based morality. You might as well say hitler is your bases for morality, which probably would be better than your fictional tyrant.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Also I note you decline trying to explain how a one year old can murder and rape.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart exodus 20;5, "" I THE LORD YOUR GOD AM A JELOUS GOD, PUNISHING CHILDREN FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE PARENTS, TO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION OF THOSE WHO REJECT ME""
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 And yet Ezechiel chapter 18 says: The son does not have to pay for the sins of the father, and the father does not have to pay for the sins of the son.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones those who reject HIM are pagans so HE punishes them n their children in Ezikiel 18;1 HE is talking to believers and believers only
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 1. If pagans reject your god, your god predestined them to reject him. 2. No, it doesn't... Check out Jesaja 66. Quit reading the word 'elect' in every passage.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones what the heck is a jesaja 66 ? and is it biblical? the word elect its addressed in all scripture from able to noha to abraham isaac to us in the new testament ephesians ch 1;1,13
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Jesaja, chapter 66 in its entirety. And no, the calvinist take on the word 'elect' does not appear in the Bible.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 God willed the Holocaust, huh? All part of your god's masterplan?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones isaiha 45;7 ""I form LIGHT AND I CREATE DARKNESS; i make peace and create evil ;i the lord do all these things"" AMOS 3;6 "'SHALL A TRUMPET BE BLOWN IN THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE NOT BE AFRAID? SHALL THERE BE EVIL IN A CITY, AND THE LORD HAS NOT DONE IT?
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Is that "yes, the calvinist god predestined the holocaust to occur... for his own 'glory'?"
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones IT IS A YES HE did predestined that for HIS own glory and ends and its not the calvinist god it is the GOD of the bible the one you so much resent being in sovereign control over HIS creatures the one the natural man cannot understan cause HIS ways can only be understood with the help of THE HOLY SPIRIT the carnal mind cannot submit to the things of GOD is that you? arminianist? humanist?
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 I'm everything except a misanthropical, human-hating, god-defaming groveler who calls the darkness the light and the light the darkness. Your god is completely random, arbitrary and cruel. On top off that, his capability for love and compassion seems to be more limited than that of human beings.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones HUMANIST THINKING NOT BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE WAS PUT FORTH BEFORE YOU AND YOU COMEBACK WITH HUMAN REASON? YOU ARE A HUMANIST
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 If that is what you call that which is in direct contrast to your beliefs: yes, gladly.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones no that is what I called someone who exaults the creature rather than the creator
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 I exalt the Creator by not shifting the blame for evil on him.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones there is a difference between blame and assigning responsability
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 BS... the exact same thing.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones not at all a child or a immature person blames a grown man thinks and aknowledges and understands the reasons as to why!! therefore knows who is ultimatly responsible ; immaturity says ( on a human that is) if its not selfserving to me it must not be fair
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 That makes no sense whatsoever.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones only a child or a immature person will not comprehend point made
patriotsfan1379 6 months ago
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@patriotsfan1379 "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 18:3.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones He doesn't know how to write does he? Grammar, punctuation, whose to know what he's trying to say?
humanistheart 6 months ago
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@patriotsfan1379 "you must think that all those people GOD got killed were nice no they were murderes rapers etc.. "
Really? By all means explain how a one year old can be a murderer and a rapist. I'm all ears.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@azsuperman01 why don't you answer if YOU SCARED SAY YOU SCARED! you said you were a christian onece ? HOW DID YOU BECAME A CHRISTIAN ?
patriotsfan1379 8 months ago
@chrisalsup19 Why are are you not answering azsuperman;s question? does God need to obey his own laws? and be moral while being guilty of acts he call abominations when man commit them!!!
quebec10000 1 year ago
@chrisalsup19 How can you say that Jesus was fully man and fully God yet not a person?
quebec10000 1 year ago
@chrisalsup19
Yeah, sure "Einstein", Jesus was both a square and a circle at the same time ;) Was omniscient, while forgetting what he had for breakfast. Yes, it makes a lot of sense. . .
armelix73 1 year ago
@chrisalsup19 What do you mean?
Anyone who has a personality to themselves and is aware of themselves as an individual entity IS a person.
etonks 8 months ago
I still have trouble believing adults believe this rubbish. IT's story time with the Good book people- it's so amazing how it captivates and brainwashes for thousands of generatons- its changes detail of course but the lies keeps on ticking. If the guys that wrote the bible were alive today they would own allpharmacutical companies,manufature agriculture product, control all goverment and control Ruperet Murdock- and have their own reality show called "keeping up with the sheep hearders"
mompm 1 year ago
wisdom comes from God. Jesus became our sin offering . This means Jesus who was pure became filthy with our sin, thus making God punish his son in Hell , until God said , That was enough and rose him out of hell . Then walked on this Earth (which is documented in history and cannot be disproved) to conquer your grave
AMBASSADORSAMUEL 1 year ago
@AMBASSADORSAMUEL "which is documented in history and cannot be disproved".. if you think that the bible is an accurate source for history then OKKKAYYY.. I believe harry potter is even more accurate.
What did god sacrifice? couldnt he make another "perfect" son?
According to the book, jesus didnt even receive eternal punishment, so how is that even close to being a sacrifice for our "sin"?
Waiting for a reply.
romainelettuce2 1 year ago
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ruseadragalina 1 year ago
I think we ought to understand that Jesus Himself as the Lamb of God WANTED to be condemned for our sins.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
(John 10:17-19 - KJV)
ruseadragalina 1 year ago
If god did know what was going to happen in advance or worse, he planned it all, then he is responsible for Adam's sin, etc. Since there wasn't free will, he caused it all (like Pharaoh) and therefore we cannot be held accountable for obeying god's will. Besides, the Bible also says it is wrong to punish someone for someone else's sin. good vid.
TruthSurge 1 year ago
Hey! I LOVE MY LIFE ! SRRY ! UR AFRAID OF THE TRUTH!JESUS SAVES HE LIVES AND HE SHALL REIGN FOREVER MORE!
moniquepotts 1 year ago
@moniquepotts Who's gonna do what now???Truth, Lives...I mean Lies, grab the reigns jesus...MORE LOVE FOREVER..AFRAID OF REIGNS...MORE SHALL SAVE UR...SRRY...HEY I'M...I'm just delusional, and this is what my moments of clarity look like! :)
samuski36 1 year ago
I'm not denying your precision of scripture ( its dead on) I just think that your roles of "who did what" probably needs looking at again. I don't know. :-/
seanfenrir 1 year ago
Lastly, our court system is way more crappy than God's judgment. If our court was in Gods shoes we would have BEEN charged both the false accuser and the guilty ( both humanity) to prison. Since when do our court forgive people that exceed more than one charge? Never. Unless he or she bribes which is more proof of how inferior our court system is to Gods judgment!
seanfenrir 1 year ago
@seanfenrir
If our court system worked like God's then we'd send innocent people to prison just to make sure SOMEONE got punished for every crime - regardless of whether they had committed it or not.
azsuperman01 1 year ago
@azsuperman01 Not to be a jerk but IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ON EARTH. I didn't intend to do that sentence rudely ( sorry if it appeared that way). Anyway, like I said I think humans were the judge on God since God was Jesus. We didn't have to kill God but we did. We also ( I forgot the criminals name) replaced our innocent God with a criminal.
seanfenrir 1 year ago