I can appreciate where the people who created this video are coming from, but I don't see it quite the same way. People in the bible married in their early teen years, but today people delay marriage until their late 20's. I agree that people should ideally still be a virgin when they are 13 years old. But exaggerating that issue and expecting people to be 30 year-old virgins on the same basis is just too extreme. IMO Christian leaders who wish to be taken seriously need a new approach.
I agree with christian beliefs about gay and abortion etc They are sin and must be stopped but I wonder why 90% of Christian believe Oral sex or different sex position other than missionary one is a sin "INSIDE THE MARRIAGE": this is ridiculous..no where in the Bible it gives any straight regulations to where to touch your wife/husband and where not to, yet Catholics and brethren and Pentecostals believe it and I came out of both the sects and living a normal Christian life happily!
and why do you think that God is telling us to get away from sex?
If you watched my video, I think it explains that I think "sex is a sin" because it helps religions survive thru specific psychological mechanisms. Do you disagree with what I say? If so, why?
Thanks for your reply! That makes sense, I don't like to share either. My parents were ex-communicated for getting divorced in '69. I'm the only one in my family that didn't go to Catholic school, my grandpa paid for everyone but me (he was a member of the Knights of Columbus). Your "dogma" ;) is right on! See you 'round the Tube.
@Spaniel68 I did watch the video. Maybe I should have said why do you address it AS sin? I know Sin is the Biblical context, sin period is how "believers"are controlled. Sex is obviously the most powerful way to convey a common bond, everyone gets it. Love your video and what you've got to say. After I shared it FB it got some positive posts. Despite your contesting question I will continue to post. What is your personal experience with religion in general? Were you raised in a religious home?
Sorry, I guess I took your question the wrong way. I was raised Catholic and attended a Catholic junior high and high school. I've studied many different religions & cults and noticed how hedonistic ones died out in a matter of years to 1 generation, whereas sexually conservative religions fared far better.
I think that hedonistic ones die out because couples form and they drop out, no longer wanting to share their loved ones with others as a religious leader's discretion.
Nyce video, but I think some facts are missing. Where in the Bible or any 'religious' text does it say that sex is a sin ? I know it says fornication is sinful but not sex itself. Thanks for the enlightenment
That is the title of video, but if you watched it thru to the end, then you know that I was referring to sex outside of a church/religious sanctioned marriage.
i hate it when people say 'lets be naughty' or 'your dirty' relating to sex, when it isnt naughty or dirty at all! its like they want it to be a sin so they feel powerful and a rebel when they do it. This world is so backward.
I think you're right. I respect other religions, but I think sex is natural. I can understand that sex is something intimate and for that reason there has to be a connection or an attraction between me and my sex-partner. But I am not yet married, neither had I already much relationships. I am not a virgin anymore, but what I did sometimes was safe and conscious. And I had experience, so I'm not surprised in a relationship. In a relationship I focus on that person. So it's possible!
yeah, and i dont expect you to believe a word...without the experiences and research into globalisation and the forces behind it i doubt you'll get it ...i was an AGGRESSIVE aetheist...you ask: why doesnt God make it available to everyone? i've tried to make sense of what i know, & tho no answer is truely satisfactory i think its like this...satan introduced disharmony into universe from sin...he lured angels & Man into doing same...God has to stand back to allow us freewill & show without his
Page 3... regularly in the animal kingdom. So why do you (assuming you do) uphold the view that that would be morally incorrect for a human to do? Attaching laws that go against natural desires isn't necessarily a method in social control as the above example shows.
There is a big difference between saying that something is wrong because it is harmful to the greater wellbeing of the populace (i.e. society) versus saying that something is inherently wrong and must be strived against because a god said so.
You're either deliberately avoiding my point or you just aren't understanding it. "Rape" actually aids the survival of a species. This occurs all the time in the animal kingdom! This isn't something that goes against the survival of the populace, if anything it increases the chances of survival and sex is a natural desire. We see this as wrong though, proving that laws against natural desires aren't always bad, regardless of the issue that is "the survival of the species".
Don't most other mammalian females go into heat when fertile? Are they "raped" at that point or R they willing?
However, I take your point that it could help a person continue their genetic strain (at the expense of the greater society)... but my point still stands. There is a big difference between a law to maintain society (i.e. rape is wrong) versus someone saying a supernatural entity says it is wrong in all instances unless in a religiously sanctioned marriage (sex is a sin)
That's a bit like saying "the woman had a lot to drink & passed out, but she was flirting with me, so was she raped or was she willing?". When the female of a particular species is fighting off a male & he over powers her, it's rape. But again you're digressing because you clearly have no answer to the fact that laws against natural desires are not necessarily implemented to control. This example proves it, and at this point your whole argument (as portrayed in the video) collapses.
Look, would you want to be raped? I doubt it. The laws are there to forbid something most people would find abhorrent to happen to them. However, laws forbiding sex outside of marriage stem from religion. Why is sex outside of a marriage forbidden "because God said so"?
The way I stumbled onto my half-assed theory is from research into modern cults. The hedonistic cults were dying out in one generation while the sexual repressive ones lasted far, far longer.
page 1/3... Your point is irrelevant and you're undermining your earlier argument where you claimed that being a rapist would mean you'd have no friends & it would be detrimental to your survival prospects. Why? Because according to your "survival of the fittest" theory, hedonistic cults were dying out because having sex outside marriage caused STDs, break-ups, etc. They weren't fit to survive. Pretty flawed logic huh? :P I think deep down you know that our discussion has proved that the...
No, the hedonistic cults were not dying off because of STDs or breakups. So what other reason would there be for them dying off sooner than highly conservative ones?
@imrational. page 1/2... Hedonistic cults probably died out because people started becoming more civilised and accepted that we aren't just animals. And make your mind up, is it all religions you're hostile to or just Christianity ;) As for rape, I am against it because I happen to believe in a set of moral codes which place value upon human life. We are valuable people & have the capability of rising above natural desires. This is a belief independent of my religious beliefs, however...
No, I'm talking about MODERN hedonistic cults. Heck, even the ones in antiquity. Sexual repressive ones tend to yield more fanatical followers. Also, there have been cults that have encouraged fasting to the point of starvation... how brainwashed must a person be to purposefully starve themselves to death? How do you brainwash someone to do that? I explain it in the video... it's a self-reinforcement cycle.
Mr Rational, i was just like you...til last year i had 10 different experiences and (mis) adventures which made me realise my lifelong aetheism and rationalism could be v.probably wrong....you wouldn't believe me if i told you....lets just say that as Descartes, who said 'what if the world is a dream created by a demon?'..well the Matrix, the idea that this could be a reality and there is more to this life is due to bias...a freemason opened the 'door'..to seeing the scary reality...
You're right, I probably wouldn't believe you if you told me. Why should I? I don't know you and likely have never met you. People lie or misunderstand events all the time. Without personally experiencing what you're talking about, why would I believe you?
A better question to ask is... if those experiences changed your mind, then why doesn't your god give such proof to everyone at the same time?
@imrational i don't blame you at all for what you say about my comment...to be blunt i would've been ridiculing rationally dismissive of everything i now am fairly certain is true of this life...let me tell a couple of things that happened, which strangely were all related..a good friend of mine, a freemason, tried to recruit me to masonry...in doing so, this arrogant chap proudly opened up that their God is LUCIFER- the 'great architect of the universe'..he also confirmed that the NWO exists..
So your friend spilled the beans about Freemasonry to you... okay, but how do you know he wasn't lying to you? How do you know he wasn't lied to?
Who cares what a Mason believes? Just because a man believes something doesn't mean it's true. 99% of the world could believe in Lucifer, but that doesn't mean Lucifer or god really exist.
>that is the New WOrld Order is a reality which the freemasons have worked for for centuries...except he said its about gettting rid of monotheism-christianity esp. , from society...ever seen the 1 dollar bill it has in latin "annuit coeptis-novus ordo seclorum'...which in essence means 'our master is please-a new secular order of the ages'....now i was concurrently researching globalisation & i realised we're heading 1 way or another for a 1 world gov., faster than people now...also the UN...
>the UN..which is behind the drive for a 1 world government has a certain religion and draw on a certain advocator of this religion, known as Alice Bailey, Alice Bailey ran the 'lucifer publishing house', which later changed to 'lucis trust'...its been affilated closely with the UN for decades...and she talks of necessity for a new world order...which is in reality a tyranny ala communism or worse...also her works are occultic-she drew from Madame Blavatsky- a freemason associate & a luciferian.
"the man is handicapped by being confronte d with a conspiracy so huge, he just cant accept it as true"..Hoover...now if you have an alternative theory which explains , for ex. , why JFK was murdered, and explains his ANTI CONSPIRACY/SECRET SOCIETY speech...well bud the WAY TO TRUTH IS TO ACCOUNT FOR BIAS, HOW ARE WE TO DO THIS? WE MAKE OUR BIAS SOLEY AND UTTERLY THE 'TRUTH' NOT WHAT IS COMFORTABLE OR HABITUAL OR FASHIONABLE...thats what i did..& i now know the truth, its heartbreaking..
if you want to convert an atheist... throwing out stuff about the NWO and masons is not going to cut it and clearly points out that you were not a rational atheist (aka Skeptic).
Give us a TESTABLE theory for the existence of a god... and then offer supportive evidence for the testable theory.
page 2/3... points you make in this video are flawed. Whether one wants to be raped or not is irrelevant. Alot of people probably wouldn't want to have promiscuous sex with strangers either. However "sex" as an act is a natural desire but we curb it because we've applied moral guidelines to our lives. We do this to maintain order in society & to provide ourselves with happier lives. Therefore, the notion that religion invented the idea of "no sex outside marriage" as a means of control is...
Your reply here doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't a religion say, "it's wrong to have sex outside of marriage due to risks of STDs or breakups" instead of "sex is a sin"?
So which is it, are moral guidelines to maintain order in society and provide ourselves with happier lives, or is it because we have morality given to us by catholicism?
@imrational. page 1/2. read my post again. Moral guidlines enable us to live in a well ordered society which promote values that enable us to live in a moral world. Those guidelines/laws happen to stem from Catholic Natural Law in the Western world. It's really not that difficult to understand. As for your aim. 1) i've tried to show that you have no basis for claiming that the major uses "tactics" for the reasons you say (i.e. to control the masses and this is supported by the fact that...
page 3/3... simply based on your biased and fanatical views because secular societies have also introduced curbs on natural desires. Like I've said before (in this video of your or another) fanaticism consists in re-doubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim. What is your aim? You're clearly attacking a doctrine which you evidently don't understand. Was that your aim when you started making videos? (Don't bother answering that, it's rhetorical, but think about it).
@imrational page 2/2... seperating the 2 completely is impossible. This is because the very notion of human rights & morality as we know it today in the West stems from Catholic Natural Law. I am not a Catholic but all monotheistic religions preach a similar moral code & they have been the foundations for the laws that we uphold today. As for the concept of a sin. What is a sin? It is the an action which goes against the moral laws of a given religion.
What is a sin is a personal opinion, nothing else, some people have similar opinons of it and try to define it, but you can't define a belief without any scientific evidence of it being a law of nature. I agree that christianity has certain high morals which should be respected, but rather than it influencing the laws of the society, the society (i.e. the ruling class) used christianity to justify its domination over the lower class citizens, and the rest of the world.
@imrational page 2/2... religion is upholding laws against natural desires). I have undermined your argument by showing that laws against natural desires such as sex aren't necessarily negative & aren't used to manipulate people. Yet you still refuse to accept the clear points that i'm making. As a result I am forced to conclude that your actual aim is to attack religion, regardless of your grasp of the notions of those religions. This is why I believe you to be an atheist-fanatic.
I am simply presenting an alternative view for why religions and cults do the things they do. You may disagree with me, but that doesn't mean my theories are any less valid.
My theory explains fasting, why religiously sanctioned marriage is mandated, why sex outside of said marriage is forbidden, why sexually repressive cults survive longer than hedonistic ones, etc.
Crap I am at the library and they have blocked retromud (a text mud I play because I asked what a pedobear was?) I really don't know. Does the library have a keylogger and someone to monitor it and are they going to block youtube next? Pretty sure I saw the term there.
"laws against natural desires such as sex aren't necessarily negative & aren't used to manipulate people" They can sometimes be positive (as in the case of prohibiting pedophelia) and are ALWAYS manipulative (sorry, its just true, they try to "teach" i.e. manipulate you to believe theyre right, very rarely justified). The fact of the matter is, our desires are the ONLY thing that makes us human, otherwise we are just a virus who consumes and destroys everything with our so called "progress"
Yea its funny how cults whose value systems are a lot more similar to the Christian church than other's tend to last longer. Maybe it has something to do with the hedonistic cult followers being satanized, manipulated into believing they are sinners, arrested, rejected by society, and surrounded by media teaching them that everything they do is wrong, unmoral, unethical, immature, or just simply disgusting. That has a tendancy to fuck up your psyche.
Thank you! There is a lot more where that came from! Sex is just a part of a certain way of life which is being satanized! The situation is very crazy, and has been for a very long time. I could talk a lot about it, manipulation is the strongest power there is, just look at how long it took the european peasants to overthrow their masters, and that revolution still hasn't happened in most parts of the world! Sex is just a part of a wonderful way of life suppressed for a very, very long time...
Page 2/3.... Secondly, sex is indeed natural and necessary that's why it's accepted by Christians in wedlock. However, outside of marriage it isn't accepted, the reason for this (according to the concepts) is because sex is pleasurable & is tempting. By denying temptations you prove your worthiness. Bare in mind, if sex is natural and we are just animals, why not go around raping people? Forcing yourself on another occurs...
Why not go around raping people? Because in most societies, it is frowned upon and you will likely be thrown in jail or killed, i.e. it will reduce the odds of your long-term survival. Also, you will likely not have many friends if you go around raping their wives and daughters. Wouldn't you consider friends important to have a happy life?
It's quite clear that you're a clever guy so if you want to have a discussion answer properly and stop avoiding the point. Sex is a natural desire, humans curb it because of laws (i.e. against rape). Hence applying laws that go against natural desires aren't necessarily to achieve social control. So your entire argument collapses here. Following your flawed logic, sex outside of a monogamous relationship also threatens social order (STDs, break-ups, etc) so that would threaten our survival too.
That is your opinion that sex outside of a monogamous marriage threatens social order. The fact that many people have sex outside of wedlock but still function well in society shows that your stance is in error.
Also, you might think I'm not answering properly or avoiding the point, but it might also be that I'm just not answering in the way you wish I would.
Page 1/2: You said that raping would mean you have no friends & is negative to your survival prospects as a result. That's silly because the very idea of "rape" being bad exists because of the idea of human rights (which stems from Catholic Natural Law!). However if you want to take that silly stance i can also say, "well having sex with many different partners may lead to break down in relationships, STDs, etc".
Rape existed before and after "Catholic Natural Law" and I doubt that rape was ever something held favorably by most victims, oh and yes... "having sex with many different partners may lead to break down in relationships, STDs, etc", so I won't argue that with you at all.
Page 2/2: So I'm simply using your flawed logic against you. But we're digressing your initial point was that sex is natural & saying it's wrong outside marriage is simply for control. My response to that was: raping occurs regularly in the animal kingdom. So why do we uphold the view that that would be wrong for a human to do when it may be a natural desire? Attaching laws that go against natural desires isn't always a method in social control. Then you digressed because you couldn't answer ;)
Why go against natural desires? Because it is beneficial for us to live in a society (longer lives, more easily obtainable food & shelter, safety, etc). Some natural desires, like a murderous rage... would be harmful to society (i.e. the wellbeing of the population) and so it is deemed wrong/harmful.
So, I was looking back on your comment here. Are you saying that the only reason you don't rape is because it is illegal or because your religion says it's wrong?
I think that rape is wrong because you are stripping someone of their personal freedom and causing mental and physical harm.
Page 1/3. imrational, you make your points intelligently (for the most part) and that's why i'm bothering to take the time to watch and comment on your videos. However I have to say that you show a grave misunderstanding of the concepts of Christianity and other major religions. Firstly, according to these beliefs, God doesn't send people to hell, people choose to go there. God & the devil are setting a path and the individual selects which to follow. Does this mean God isn't benevolent?
sex is not a sin , god created sex for people to enjoy after marrige .and if sex is a expression of love , you will sex everyone in your family because you love them ?
We're just animals. Why do you think we're so special? If god does exist, he doesn't seem to give a flying fuck about us, and most Christians are hateful bigots and not at all "Christ like."
@sozifilied. Quiz time, how many species of animals have sex face to face? It's a rather personal way of having sex, so how many have sex in this way?
Also, why does this god create sexual desire? Why don't we just get married and do it to make babies? Why do we enjoy it even when we're not attempting to procreate? Because we're naked apes my friend, nothing more.
i don't believe it is... if sex is a sin how can we...well breed. an expression of love is sex. i guess when it becomes a sin is when you over do it (Like a porn star, or pamala anderson!) in other words... no i don't believe that sex should be considered a sin.
thanks for the video, i started my own cult called the church of meerkatology, i have M-meters, W-meters, indoctrination classes, 25 commandments, a long with sex, i also told my followers that boredom comes from the evil power and that they should pray it away, i also set up a system of meertyrdom that if they are good followers and they kill infidels, they get 73 virgins (thats a better deal than islam) and i also said that when infidels die, they get shocked in the balls for all eternity.
Whether you believe it right now in your life or not, we are "playing" for good vs. evil. Just like you, I am also a sinner. God wants to forgive us for our sins as evidenced by Jesus death by crucifixion. I have accepted that forgiveness, and since I have grown closer to God, the creator of everything around us. It has improved my life tremendously and I know I am forgiven and saved by God's grace, which we obviously lack.
just curious... we're all sinners. Okay, how did Jesus attain perfection? Was he always perfect? If so, how? How could any of us attain a "perfect" status?
Jesus did not "attain" perfection, rather He *is* the human embodiment of perfection. This is because Jesus is part of God.
None of us can attain a "perfect" status unless God allows us to do it through his will. Certainly I do not expect to obtain "perfect" status here on earth, although if God willed it I would obviously happily accept it.
So, if I wanted to be the best person I could be, how could I achieve this? What specific traits would I need to improve upon? and WHY would improving those traits lead me towards being a better person?
I would recommend forgiveness, non-judgment (judgment in the sense of mocking, insulting, etc., I can hear you rebutting me on this already, and I admit I am not the best at non-judgment, lol!), and loving-kindness. These are three key treats embodied by Jesus, whether you believe in Him or not. I can tell you though that believing in HIm has made living out some of these traits easier for me.
Because those traits lead to goodness. *I* believe they are Godly traits. It is a value judgment without a doubt. But it is my conclusion that forgiveness, non-judgment, and loving-kindness are "good" traits. What do you think?
but do you only think that those traits are "good" because they are valued by your religion? Isn't there any other reasons for why those traits could be considered "good"?
No, I do not think that. Yes, of course there are other reasons why those traits could be considered good. Why presume that I do not think so? You didn't respond to whether you think forgiveness, non-judgment, and lovingkindness are good, so I will assume that you agree. My guess is that you probably have the most trouble with non-judgment and may disagree with this one, I agree with it, but struggle with it.
So what are the other reasons why'd they be considered good?
I agree those traits are important... and i have rationale for saying so. I think my weakest one is "loving". I'm a private person and don't open my feelings to just anyone.
Believe it or not, I'm a very non-judgemental person. What you are seeing as judgemental is really me just trying to push people to question their beliefs and those of others.
P.S. What is "agnostic atheism"? I have never heard that term used before. I am actually glad that you seem to be at least humbled enough to put the descriptor of agnostic in there. Bravo for you.
It is not humility to put "agnosticism" in there, it is a statement describing me.
I merely lack belief in a god or gods. I do not presume omniscience. There very well could be a god out there. However, as a Skeptic, I require a testable theory and supporting evidence before I believe in something.
So why not call yourself agnostic? According to your explanation it is a more accurate description than atheist.
As far as requiring a testable theory as a skeptic. It is something you are going to have to develop faith in a priori. If your heart is good then no doubt that part of you eventually will.
For crying out loud, no where in the Bible does it say sex is wrong. Duh! Its natural, no one is disputing that. The real sin here is LUST. Lust can lead to many sexual sins, fornication, adultery, rape, incest, and I wont mention the next one bc people are still a bit sensitive on that issue. You guys get the idea. Also, all this only pertains to those who beleive in staying pure until marriage. If not, then of course be responsible about it.
Just please if you guys wont bother to read the Bible, stop saying that it says sex is wrong. Get over yourselves, its gotten so annoying that atheists assume that we think sex is wrong.
Actually, I've read the bible 3 times. This video explains why sex within a religiously sanctioned marriage is "good" while thoughts of lust are evil.
But, when you see a hot girl at the beach with hardly any clothes on, you naturaly think about sex or seing her naked. But its the controling ones actions and not acting on certon things, I understand that. Why dose the bible say do not look at a women with unpure thoughts because its adoltury in your heart? Naturaly thats impossible, weather your gay or straight. Hell I saw so meny hot girls tanning today !
It is only right and appropriate in a small sliver of eventualities, including SANCTION BY AN IMAGINARY BEING. I have read the Bible. It's pretty damn clear.
Or is it ok to have sex with some drunk chick on Saturday night so long as you confess the sin Sunday morning? Isn't that how Christians do it? Screw up, own up, accept Jesus, instant Heaven?
Why don't you actually watch the video! It addresses EXACTLY what you are talking about!
Also, this video NEVER mentions the christian bible. When I made this video, I was thinking of the small, numerous cults that exist. I noticed that hedonistic cults tended to die out within a generation or sooner, while conservative cults tended to last far, far longer. This was video outlines one of the reasons I think why.
in many religions, sex is considered bad, evil, sinful, etc... and is only allowed for procreation or within the confines of a religiously sanctioned marriage.
You Christians are so self-centered that you think any critique of religion is on you. Most Catholics I know are pretty liberal on sex issues, and ignore the Vatican on such matters. Other Christian denominations are far more open. But there are a LOT of proscriptions on sex in Catholicism and other world religions to make this little presentation worthwhile.
I think making sex a sin makes people think about it even more. Its like that mysterious button that you are told NOT to press. You wonder what it does, you can't stop thinking about it, you obsess over it until you finally have to press it or else you'll go insane. If nobody brought attention to the button then they probably would have just walked past it and probably wouldn't have pressed it.
What a big manifest of nonsense and stupidity. These atheist oops spagheti monsterists are coming up with preposterous ideas and questions. The sexual act itself it's not a sin but a sexual lust is. By embracing our sexual lust we wont be able to become Gods. That's the point of being a christian , to become perfect like out Lord Jesus Christ without any passion or lust. It's the same with food and liquids. Ortodox Christians fast for 260 days in a year plus the prayer against lust.
Sex is never wrong even if its premarital. "No sex, no children." Whoever is saying that sex is wrong is trying to make you feel guilty and/or hate yourself for your natural behaviors. People discourage premarital sexual intercourse because people find it hurts if not devastates lives of children who are born to unmarried "couples". People discourage premarital couple from sexual act for a reason but whoever religiously discourages you from it, ignore such folks. Use your mind and intuition!
you're straight forward, organized, and the path of logic you take is clear and unclouded. you make easy to understand videos which are extremely informational/educational.
i had never come across the concept of self-reinforcement (or brainwashing) the way you explained it. very nicely done
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Sex isnt wrong. God's First commandment in the bible is "be fertile and multiply" but premarital sex is wrong because the reason for sex is to multiply and have children... Your just steriotypical to Religion... I'm Just wondering... are you an athiest
If you'd been paying attention, you'd see that premarital sex is not wrong, and judging by the 'are you an athiest' comment, I'm guessing you are religious in some way. And its hard to explain to a brainwashed person how they were brainwashed. But by your religion 'denying' you sex, by claiming its a sin, and then only allowing you to get married (as a sacrament of the faith) then what they are really saying is "Sex is only okay if we say its okay, so join so you can have sex.'
Haha what are you people talking about. I am a Christian and the bible does not teach anywhere that sex is a sin. Even in other denominations of Christianity it does not teach that it is a sin. Where do people get this from? Sex is a gift from God as the bible describes it. The bible talks about sex as a beautiful thing.
No premarital sex is not ok. Because the bible clearly says that it is a sin and not ok to do. Sex is a beautiful thing and not a sin if bound within MARRIAGE. If sex was a sin then how would the world reproduce and populate.
Thing is, they use any form of pleasure in this brainwashing cycle. Not just sex. Good food vs crap food. Reading a good book. Any kind of hobby. Anything except praying, denying yourself any pleasure at all and praising the local "God".
"It is a sin because religious leaders use it as a way of brainwashing their followers" Yawn!!!!!! back in those days, they would have discouraged sex simply because of pregnancy or STDs, pagan religions used to practise sexual rituals, you do realise that. One-night stands, adultery are all wrong! Marriage in the ideal world is what keeps a man and a woman together for all eternity but because we are human and are not so powerful we end up doing bad things which we cannot live to.
How do people get to turn a video like this into a 18+ one? Who makes these kinds of restrictions or is granting wishes to even close down channels?
Youtube has got to install "response flags" that possibly disagree with some other stupid users disagreement. And if that is overwhelming those have to shtfup, don't they?
Big thumbs up for this one and keep it up!
...and YOUTUBE, please get yourself together to prevent abuse of flags! ...meaning: to allow flagging to be overruled.
I agree that flagging and banning are problems, but reverse-flagging won't work either. Horny teenage boys would reverse-flag any porn video to keep it up.
Yahoo Q&A recently instituted a community system to evaluate flagging. They have community volunteers who make judgement calls and the populace can determine if the volunteer over-reaches their power or not.
This kind of thoughtful comment is just why I subscribed.
When I said "to allow flagging to be overruled" I didn't necessarily mean "by popular vote".
Volunteers with well deserved moderating power are indeed a quick way to deal with such problems, while moderators taking inappropriate actions are to face restrictions.
Yet, popular votes are quite a mobilising power and in the end the most democratic way to achieve a balance.
I also think a users use of flags should be transparent.
Let's try to stay rational and stick to the facts! You didn't prove that abstinence isn't fatal. Last time I had a dry spell I'm pretty sure I almost died.
No animal can type on a keyboard, no animal can be a biochemist, no animal can figure out that 1+1=2 , no animal can play guitar, no animal can love, no animal can pack and take a plane, no animal can know right from wrong, no animal goes to the toilet, no animal can be rational ( as you claim to be), and finally no animal can be moral, that is my proof that i am not an animal !
im sure some animals can type on a keyboard, some can do math, hell i wouldnt be surprised if someone taught one to play a guitar. and theres def videos on ytube of animals using the toilet.
go look up the definition of animal, we are quite clearly animals, unless you'd like to think of humans as fungi or plants or bacteria or something. geez.
Not every human can type on a keyboard, be a biochemist, play guitar...
Many animals display bonding and attachment behaviors. Ask anyone with a pet dog if their god loves them. Other primates have been caught lying.
Also, some animals can do things that you cannot, does this make you more an animal?
We appear to be more smarter than other animals... but we're still animals. If inteligence varies between species, then one species would have to be the most intelligent, that's us.
well the Evolution says you're wrong, look at some parrots who were trained to speak or to reason, it took billions of years for human to learn to speak, etc... If we train monkeys to be humans then let them to duplicate and train the babies, and this for many generations according to the Evolution they might be able to behave like humans.
c)Denying behavioural facts does not cancel out heritage.
This type of bigoted shit is why I'm truly appalled by religion. Find some other way to feel important, leave other, often more dignified, creatures of this planet out of this claim of bigoted superiority.
a) Contrary to what you foolishly stated as fact, animals canNOT do arithmetic. Parrots can memorize a small number of answers, some primates can estimate what they might need to complete a task, but no animal other than Homo sapien sapien has EVER done actual arithmetic.
Try Googling "why do I believe anything another atheist says?"...
"Contrary to what you foolishly stated as fact, animals canNOT do arithmetic."
Yes they can. Unless you think the only way of finding out is giving them a pen and paper and expect to solve a puzzle written in language they don't understanding using concepts that haven't been explained.
It's common knowledge to anyone not thrashed over the head with humanistic bigotry, too.
It just occurred to me why this video was flagged when it isn't really that dirty... The picture of the "naughty nun" could have done it since that fetish might be too controversial. Oh well.
No sect of Christianity remotely within the realm of the major historical Christian tradition ever came anywhere near calling sex a sin. Lust, adultery, fornication, etc., are abuses of what we think sex should is for. We think that treating sex in a certain we here and now makes for a happier life here and now. Oh, and yeah, go to heaven. But that's another issue.
Well, this video actually addresses a number of small cults.. but in answer to your comment... most christians feel that premarital sex is a sin. This video also explains where that idea came from and why sex within marriage is allowed.
well... actually, it was christians who were saying that a man and a woman living together without being married was "living in sin"... so sex is obviously regarded as sinful by christians unless you're married. The reason for why marriage is an exception is at the end of the video.
The fact alone that this video is flagged tells me that Christians are intent on hiding the truth and stopping free speech and using any means they can.
I can appreciate where the people who created this video are coming from, but I don't see it quite the same way. People in the bible married in their early teen years, but today people delay marriage until their late 20's. I agree that people should ideally still be a virgin when they are 13 years old. But exaggerating that issue and expecting people to be 30 year-old virgins on the same basis is just too extreme. IMO Christian leaders who wish to be taken seriously need a new approach.
gsschoenfeld 4 weeks ago
I agree with christian beliefs about gay and abortion etc They are sin and must be stopped but I wonder why 90% of Christian believe Oral sex or different sex position other than missionary one is a sin "INSIDE THE MARRIAGE": this is ridiculous..no where in the Bible it gives any straight regulations to where to touch your wife/husband and where not to, yet Catholics and brethren and Pentecostals believe it and I came out of both the sects and living a normal Christian life happily!
thliberatedchristian 2 months ago
@thliberatedchristian
I think the doggie-style position is prohibited because DOG spelled backwards is GOD... so obviously it is Satanic.
imrational 1 month ago
@imrational absolutely!! I just took a ride in doggie way last night that way I will burn in hell oh no :P
thliberatedchristian 1 month ago
@FlagshipOnionhead
and why do you think that God is telling us to get away from sex?
If you watched my video, I think it explains that I think "sex is a sin" because it helps religions survive thru specific psychological mechanisms. Do you disagree with what I say? If so, why?
imrational 6 months ago
WE SHALL ALL STAND BEFORE JESUS CHRIST AS THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE. MORAL, AND IMMORAL CHOICES.
SHELAH
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TheIggy457 9 months ago
what's your religion @imrational .. mine is christianity i've changed from catholic because its satanic
lolex169 10 months ago
Thanks for your reply! That makes sense, I don't like to share either. My parents were ex-communicated for getting divorced in '69. I'm the only one in my family that didn't go to Catholic school, my grandpa paid for everyone but me (he was a member of the Knights of Columbus). Your "dogma" ;) is right on! See you 'round the Tube.
Spaniel68 11 months ago
why do you address sin if there is not god to regulate sin?
Spaniel68 11 months ago
@Spaniel68
Why don't you watch the video before posting comments? ;)
imrational 11 months ago
@Spaniel68 I did watch the video. Maybe I should have said why do you address it AS sin? I know Sin is the Biblical context, sin period is how "believers"are controlled. Sex is obviously the most powerful way to convey a common bond, everyone gets it. Love your video and what you've got to say. After I shared it FB it got some positive posts. Despite your contesting question I will continue to post. What is your personal experience with religion in general? Were you raised in a religious home?
Spaniel68 11 months ago
@Spaniel68
Sorry, I guess I took your question the wrong way. I was raised Catholic and attended a Catholic junior high and high school. I've studied many different religions & cults and noticed how hedonistic ones died out in a matter of years to 1 generation, whereas sexually conservative religions fared far better.
I think that hedonistic ones die out because couples form and they drop out, no longer wanting to share their loved ones with others as a religious leader's discretion.
imrational 11 months ago
121 people don't like sex... maybe they regret that they were born :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
Nyce video, but I think some facts are missing. Where in the Bible or any 'religious' text does it say that sex is a sin ? I know it says fornication is sinful but not sex itself. Thanks for the enlightenment
DAtNizzaYOuKnOw 1 year ago
@DAtNizzaYOuKnOw
That is the title of video, but if you watched it thru to the end, then you know that I was referring to sex outside of a church/religious sanctioned marriage.
imrational 1 year ago
:) thats one hot nun!
H4L0K1LL4 1 year ago
i hate it when people say 'lets be naughty' or 'your dirty' relating to sex, when it isnt naughty or dirty at all! its like they want it to be a sin so they feel powerful and a rebel when they do it. This world is so backward.
monstarmatt 1 year ago
You are RATIONAL.Great video,thanks.
phillozoph50 1 year ago
I think you're right. I respect other religions, but I think sex is natural. I can understand that sex is something intimate and for that reason there has to be a connection or an attraction between me and my sex-partner. But I am not yet married, neither had I already much relationships. I am not a virgin anymore, but what I did sometimes was safe and conscious. And I had experience, so I'm not surprised in a relationship. In a relationship I focus on that person. So it's possible!
Dancelight 1 year ago
Great video, thank you for preparation and uploading!
TheAbacus42 1 year ago
I love "doing" it.
DJPopocv 1 year ago
yeah, and i dont expect you to believe a word...without the experiences and research into globalisation and the forces behind it i doubt you'll get it ...i was an AGGRESSIVE aetheist...you ask: why doesnt God make it available to everyone? i've tried to make sense of what i know, & tho no answer is truely satisfactory i think its like this...satan introduced disharmony into universe from sin...he lured angels & Man into doing same...God has to stand back to allow us freewill & show without his
vincent4500 1 year ago
vincent,
Okay, you were an aggressive atheist, so what? Not all atheists are Skeptics, and you obviously were not one.
For what it's worth, current evidence speaks AGAINST having freewill (see Benjamin Libet's experiments), so your reasoning is already flawed.
imrational 1 year ago
Page 3... regularly in the animal kingdom. So why do you (assuming you do) uphold the view that that would be morally incorrect for a human to do? Attaching laws that go against natural desires isn't necessarily a method in social control as the above example shows.
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
There is a big difference between saying that something is wrong because it is harmful to the greater wellbeing of the populace (i.e. society) versus saying that something is inherently wrong and must be strived against because a god said so.
imrational 2 years ago
You're either deliberately avoiding my point or you just aren't understanding it. "Rape" actually aids the survival of a species. This occurs all the time in the animal kingdom! This isn't something that goes against the survival of the populace, if anything it increases the chances of survival and sex is a natural desire. We see this as wrong though, proving that laws against natural desires aren't always bad, regardless of the issue that is "the survival of the species".
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
Don't most other mammalian females go into heat when fertile? Are they "raped" at that point or R they willing?
However, I take your point that it could help a person continue their genetic strain (at the expense of the greater society)... but my point still stands. There is a big difference between a law to maintain society (i.e. rape is wrong) versus someone saying a supernatural entity says it is wrong in all instances unless in a religiously sanctioned marriage (sex is a sin)
imrational 2 years ago
That's a bit like saying "the woman had a lot to drink & passed out, but she was flirting with me, so was she raped or was she willing?". When the female of a particular species is fighting off a male & he over powers her, it's rape. But again you're digressing because you clearly have no answer to the fact that laws against natural desires are not necessarily implemented to control. This example proves it, and at this point your whole argument (as portrayed in the video) collapses.
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
Look, would you want to be raped? I doubt it. The laws are there to forbid something most people would find abhorrent to happen to them. However, laws forbiding sex outside of marriage stem from religion. Why is sex outside of a marriage forbidden "because God said so"?
The way I stumbled onto my half-assed theory is from research into modern cults. The hedonistic cults were dying out in one generation while the sexual repressive ones lasted far, far longer.
imrational 2 years ago
page 1/3... Your point is irrelevant and you're undermining your earlier argument where you claimed that being a rapist would mean you'd have no friends & it would be detrimental to your survival prospects. Why? Because according to your "survival of the fittest" theory, hedonistic cults were dying out because having sex outside marriage caused STDs, break-ups, etc. They weren't fit to survive. Pretty flawed logic huh? :P I think deep down you know that our discussion has proved that the...
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
No, the hedonistic cults were not dying off because of STDs or breakups. So what other reason would there be for them dying off sooner than highly conservative ones?
imrational 2 years ago
@imrational. page 1/2... Hedonistic cults probably died out because people started becoming more civilised and accepted that we aren't just animals. And make your mind up, is it all religions you're hostile to or just Christianity ;) As for rape, I am against it because I happen to believe in a set of moral codes which place value upon human life. We are valuable people & have the capability of rising above natural desires. This is a belief independent of my religious beliefs, however...
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
No, I'm talking about MODERN hedonistic cults. Heck, even the ones in antiquity. Sexual repressive ones tend to yield more fanatical followers. Also, there have been cults that have encouraged fasting to the point of starvation... how brainwashed must a person be to purposefully starve themselves to death? How do you brainwash someone to do that? I explain it in the video... it's a self-reinforcement cycle.
imrational 2 years ago
Mr Rational, i was just like you...til last year i had 10 different experiences and (mis) adventures which made me realise my lifelong aetheism and rationalism could be v.probably wrong....you wouldn't believe me if i told you....lets just say that as Descartes, who said 'what if the world is a dream created by a demon?'..well the Matrix, the idea that this could be a reality and there is more to this life is due to bias...a freemason opened the 'door'..to seeing the scary reality...
vincent4500 1 year ago
vincent4500.
You're right, I probably wouldn't believe you if you told me. Why should I? I don't know you and likely have never met you. People lie or misunderstand events all the time. Without personally experiencing what you're talking about, why would I believe you?
A better question to ask is... if those experiences changed your mind, then why doesn't your god give such proof to everyone at the same time?
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational i don't blame you at all for what you say about my comment...to be blunt i would've been ridiculing rationally dismissive of everything i now am fairly certain is true of this life...let me tell a couple of things that happened, which strangely were all related..a good friend of mine, a freemason, tried to recruit me to masonry...in doing so, this arrogant chap proudly opened up that their God is LUCIFER- the 'great architect of the universe'..he also confirmed that the NWO exists..
vincent4500 1 year ago
Vincent,
Some quick rational questions for you.
So your friend spilled the beans about Freemasonry to you... okay, but how do you know he wasn't lying to you? How do you know he wasn't lied to?
Who cares what a Mason believes? Just because a man believes something doesn't mean it's true. 99% of the world could believe in Lucifer, but that doesn't mean Lucifer or god really exist.
imrational 1 year ago
>that is the New WOrld Order is a reality which the freemasons have worked for for centuries...except he said its about gettting rid of monotheism-christianity esp. , from society...ever seen the 1 dollar bill it has in latin "annuit coeptis-novus ordo seclorum'...which in essence means 'our master is please-a new secular order of the ages'....now i was concurrently researching globalisation & i realised we're heading 1 way or another for a 1 world gov., faster than people now...also the UN...
vincent4500 1 year ago
>the UN..which is behind the drive for a 1 world government has a certain religion and draw on a certain advocator of this religion, known as Alice Bailey, Alice Bailey ran the 'lucifer publishing house', which later changed to 'lucis trust'...its been affilated closely with the UN for decades...and she talks of necessity for a new world order...which is in reality a tyranny ala communism or worse...also her works are occultic-she drew from Madame Blavatsky- a freemason associate & a luciferian.
vincent4500 1 year ago
"the man is handicapped by being confronte d with a conspiracy so huge, he just cant accept it as true"..Hoover...now if you have an alternative theory which explains , for ex. , why JFK was murdered, and explains his ANTI CONSPIRACY/SECRET SOCIETY speech...well bud the WAY TO TRUTH IS TO ACCOUNT FOR BIAS, HOW ARE WE TO DO THIS? WE MAKE OUR BIAS SOLEY AND UTTERLY THE 'TRUTH' NOT WHAT IS COMFORTABLE OR HABITUAL OR FASHIONABLE...thats what i did..& i now know the truth, its heartbreaking..
vincent4500 1 year ago
vincent4500,
if you want to convert an atheist... throwing out stuff about the NWO and masons is not going to cut it and clearly points out that you were not a rational atheist (aka Skeptic).
Give us a TESTABLE theory for the existence of a god... and then offer supportive evidence for the testable theory.
imrational 1 year ago
page 2/3... points you make in this video are flawed. Whether one wants to be raped or not is irrelevant. Alot of people probably wouldn't want to have promiscuous sex with strangers either. However "sex" as an act is a natural desire but we curb it because we've applied moral guidelines to our lives. We do this to maintain order in society & to provide ourselves with happier lives. Therefore, the notion that religion invented the idea of "no sex outside marriage" as a means of control is...
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
Your reply here doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't a religion say, "it's wrong to have sex outside of marriage due to risks of STDs or breakups" instead of "sex is a sin"?
imrational 2 years ago
@PioDinata
So which is it, are moral guidelines to maintain order in society and provide ourselves with happier lives, or is it because we have morality given to us by catholicism?
imrational 2 years ago
@imrational. page 1/2. read my post again. Moral guidlines enable us to live in a well ordered society which promote values that enable us to live in a moral world. Those guidelines/laws happen to stem from Catholic Natural Law in the Western world. It's really not that difficult to understand. As for your aim. 1) i've tried to show that you have no basis for claiming that the major uses "tactics" for the reasons you say (i.e. to control the masses and this is supported by the fact that...
PioDinata 2 years ago
page 3/3... simply based on your biased and fanatical views because secular societies have also introduced curbs on natural desires. Like I've said before (in this video of your or another) fanaticism consists in re-doubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim. What is your aim? You're clearly attacking a doctrine which you evidently don't understand. Was that your aim when you started making videos? (Don't bother answering that, it's rhetorical, but think about it).
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
You haven't answered my question. Is rape wrong because it is illegal or because your religion says so? Or is it wrong for another reason?
imrational 2 years ago
@imrational page 2/2... seperating the 2 completely is impossible. This is because the very notion of human rights & morality as we know it today in the West stems from Catholic Natural Law. I am not a Catholic but all monotheistic religions preach a similar moral code & they have been the foundations for the laws that we uphold today. As for the concept of a sin. What is a sin? It is the an action which goes against the moral laws of a given religion.
PioDinata 2 years ago
What is a sin is a personal opinion, nothing else, some people have similar opinons of it and try to define it, but you can't define a belief without any scientific evidence of it being a law of nature. I agree that christianity has certain high morals which should be respected, but rather than it influencing the laws of the society, the society (i.e. the ruling class) used christianity to justify its domination over the lower class citizens, and the rest of the world.
andrejvidovic1 2 years ago 2
@PioDinata
My aim in this video was to point out tactics used by many different religions and cults and why they work.
imrational 2 years ago
@imrational page 2/2... religion is upholding laws against natural desires). I have undermined your argument by showing that laws against natural desires such as sex aren't necessarily negative & aren't used to manipulate people. Yet you still refuse to accept the clear points that i'm making. As a result I am forced to conclude that your actual aim is to attack religion, regardless of your grasp of the notions of those religions. This is why I believe you to be an atheist-fanatic.
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
I am simply presenting an alternative view for why religions and cults do the things they do. You may disagree with me, but that doesn't mean my theories are any less valid.
My theory explains fasting, why religiously sanctioned marriage is mandated, why sex outside of said marriage is forbidden, why sexually repressive cults survive longer than hedonistic ones, etc.
imrational 2 years ago
Crap I am at the library and they have blocked retromud (a text mud I play because I asked what a pedobear was?) I really don't know. Does the library have a keylogger and someone to monitor it and are they going to block youtube next? Pretty sure I saw the term there.
MNBrant 2 years ago
"laws against natural desires such as sex aren't necessarily negative & aren't used to manipulate people" They can sometimes be positive (as in the case of prohibiting pedophelia) and are ALWAYS manipulative (sorry, its just true, they try to "teach" i.e. manipulate you to believe theyre right, very rarely justified). The fact of the matter is, our desires are the ONLY thing that makes us human, otherwise we are just a virus who consumes and destroys everything with our so called "progress"
andrejvidovic1 2 years ago
Yea its funny how cults whose value systems are a lot more similar to the Christian church than other's tend to last longer. Maybe it has something to do with the hedonistic cult followers being satanized, manipulated into believing they are sinners, arrested, rejected by society, and surrounded by media teaching them that everything they do is wrong, unmoral, unethical, immature, or just simply disgusting. That has a tendancy to fuck up your psyche.
andrejvidovic1 2 years ago 2
@andrejvidovic1
gotta agree with pretty much everything you wrote.
imrational 2 years ago
Thank you! There is a lot more where that came from! Sex is just a part of a certain way of life which is being satanized! The situation is very crazy, and has been for a very long time. I could talk a lot about it, manipulation is the strongest power there is, just look at how long it took the european peasants to overthrow their masters, and that revolution still hasn't happened in most parts of the world! Sex is just a part of a wonderful way of life suppressed for a very, very long time...
andrejvidovic1 2 years ago
Page 2/3.... Secondly, sex is indeed natural and necessary that's why it's accepted by Christians in wedlock. However, outside of marriage it isn't accepted, the reason for this (according to the concepts) is because sex is pleasurable & is tempting. By denying temptations you prove your worthiness. Bare in mind, if sex is natural and we are just animals, why not go around raping people? Forcing yourself on another occurs...
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
Why not go around raping people? Because in most societies, it is frowned upon and you will likely be thrown in jail or killed, i.e. it will reduce the odds of your long-term survival. Also, you will likely not have many friends if you go around raping their wives and daughters. Wouldn't you consider friends important to have a happy life?
imrational 2 years ago
It's quite clear that you're a clever guy so if you want to have a discussion answer properly and stop avoiding the point. Sex is a natural desire, humans curb it because of laws (i.e. against rape). Hence applying laws that go against natural desires aren't necessarily to achieve social control. So your entire argument collapses here. Following your flawed logic, sex outside of a monogamous relationship also threatens social order (STDs, break-ups, etc) so that would threaten our survival too.
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
That is your opinion that sex outside of a monogamous marriage threatens social order. The fact that many people have sex outside of wedlock but still function well in society shows that your stance is in error.
Also, you might think I'm not answering properly or avoiding the point, but it might also be that I'm just not answering in the way you wish I would.
imrational 2 years ago
Page 1/2: You said that raping would mean you have no friends & is negative to your survival prospects as a result. That's silly because the very idea of "rape" being bad exists because of the idea of human rights (which stems from Catholic Natural Law!). However if you want to take that silly stance i can also say, "well having sex with many different partners may lead to break down in relationships, STDs, etc".
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
Rape existed before and after "Catholic Natural Law" and I doubt that rape was ever something held favorably by most victims, oh and yes... "having sex with many different partners may lead to break down in relationships, STDs, etc", so I won't argue that with you at all.
imrational 2 years ago
Page 2/2: So I'm simply using your flawed logic against you. But we're digressing your initial point was that sex is natural & saying it's wrong outside marriage is simply for control. My response to that was: raping occurs regularly in the animal kingdom. So why do we uphold the view that that would be wrong for a human to do when it may be a natural desire? Attaching laws that go against natural desires isn't always a method in social control. Then you digressed because you couldn't answer ;)
PioDinata 2 years ago
@PioDinata
Why go against natural desires? Because it is beneficial for us to live in a society (longer lives, more easily obtainable food & shelter, safety, etc). Some natural desires, like a murderous rage... would be harmful to society (i.e. the wellbeing of the population) and so it is deemed wrong/harmful.
imrational 2 years ago
@PioDinata
So, I was looking back on your comment here. Are you saying that the only reason you don't rape is because it is illegal or because your religion says it's wrong?
I think that rape is wrong because you are stripping someone of their personal freedom and causing mental and physical harm.
imrational 2 years ago
Page 1/3. imrational, you make your points intelligently (for the most part) and that's why i'm bothering to take the time to watch and comment on your videos. However I have to say that you show a grave misunderstanding of the concepts of Christianity and other major religions. Firstly, according to these beliefs, God doesn't send people to hell, people choose to go there. God & the devil are setting a path and the individual selects which to follow. Does this mean God isn't benevolent?
PioDinata 2 years ago
sex is not a sin , god created sex for people to enjoy after marrige .and if sex is a expression of love , you will sex everyone in your family because you love them ?
benteobenben 2 years ago
We're just animals. Why do you think we're so special? If god does exist, he doesn't seem to give a flying fuck about us, and most Christians are hateful bigots and not at all "Christ like."
sozifilied 2 years ago 2
@sozifilied. Quiz time, how many species of animals have sex face to face? It's a rather personal way of having sex, so how many have sex in this way?
PioDinata 2 years ago
Bonobo chimpanzees, gorillas, black spider monkeys, gibbons, orangutans, capuchins, hihi birds, beavers, hamsters, whales....
sozifilied 2 years ago
Also, why does this god create sexual desire? Why don't we just get married and do it to make babies? Why do we enjoy it even when we're not attempting to procreate? Because we're naked apes my friend, nothing more.
sozifilied 2 years ago
@sozifilied
Who's a "naked ape"? I've got boxers on right now. :P
imrational 2 years ago
i don't believe it is... if sex is a sin how can we...well breed. an expression of love is sex. i guess when it becomes a sin is when you over do it (Like a porn star, or pamala anderson!) in other words... no i don't believe that sex should be considered a sin.
CecilTBarbaraG 2 years ago
@CecilTBarbaraG
I think you need to watch the video. We can "breed" because the religions give us an out by allowing sex in a religiously sanctioned marriage.
imrational 2 years ago
waw someone like me!! Great video mate! :D
Liberatedchristian 2 years ago
excellent video!!!!!!
Sex is divine !
77Merav 2 years ago
SEX IS NOT A SIN!!!!!
whats wrong with you people? Its one of lifes pleasures and expression of love....
Has religion psychologically castrated people?
ARDUNNO 2 years ago
thanks for the video, i started my own cult called the church of meerkatology, i have M-meters, W-meters, indoctrination classes, 25 commandments, a long with sex, i also told my followers that boredom comes from the evil power and that they should pray it away, i also set up a system of meertyrdom that if they are good followers and they kill infidels, they get 73 virgins (thats a better deal than islam) and i also said that when infidels die, they get shocked in the balls for all eternity.
Kalahridudex 2 years ago
( cont.)i already have about 100,000,000 sheeple folowers (the whole thing is jkjk if you did not figure it out)
Kalahridudex 2 years ago
@Kalahridudex
joking? Damn. You almost had me signed up.
imrational 2 years ago
Atheism doesn't win dude. Just a heads up.
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
ugadawgs,
Doesn't win? What are we playing for?
Personally, I think that agnostic atheism wins for a variety of goals.
imrational 2 years ago
Whether you believe it right now in your life or not, we are "playing" for good vs. evil. Just like you, I am also a sinner. God wants to forgive us for our sins as evidenced by Jesus death by crucifixion. I have accepted that forgiveness, and since I have grown closer to God, the creator of everything around us. It has improved my life tremendously and I know I am forgiven and saved by God's grace, which we obviously lack.
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
ugadawgs,
just curious... we're all sinners. Okay, how did Jesus attain perfection? Was he always perfect? If so, how? How could any of us attain a "perfect" status?
imrational 2 years ago
Jesus did not "attain" perfection, rather He *is* the human embodiment of perfection. This is because Jesus is part of God.
None of us can attain a "perfect" status unless God allows us to do it through his will. Certainly I do not expect to obtain "perfect" status here on earth, although if God willed it I would obviously happily accept it.
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
udadawgs,
So, if I wanted to be the best person I could be, how could I achieve this? What specific traits would I need to improve upon? and WHY would improving those traits lead me towards being a better person?
imrational 2 years ago
I would recommend forgiveness, non-judgment (judgment in the sense of mocking, insulting, etc., I can hear you rebutting me on this already, and I admit I am not the best at non-judgment, lol!), and loving-kindness. These are three key treats embodied by Jesus, whether you believe in Him or not. I can tell you though that believing in HIm has made living out some of these traits easier for me.
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
ugadawgs,
so why would those specific traits lead someone to being a better person?
imrational 2 years ago
Because those traits lead to goodness. *I* believe they are Godly traits. It is a value judgment without a doubt. But it is my conclusion that forgiveness, non-judgment, and loving-kindness are "good" traits. What do you think?
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
ugadawgs,
but do you only think that those traits are "good" because they are valued by your religion? Isn't there any other reasons for why those traits could be considered "good"?
imrational 2 years ago
imrational,
No, I do not think that. Yes, of course there are other reasons why those traits could be considered good. Why presume that I do not think so? You didn't respond to whether you think forgiveness, non-judgment, and lovingkindness are good, so I will assume that you agree. My guess is that you probably have the most trouble with non-judgment and may disagree with this one, I agree with it, but struggle with it.
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
ugadawgs,
So what are the other reasons why'd they be considered good?
I agree those traits are important... and i have rationale for saying so. I think my weakest one is "loving". I'm a private person and don't open my feelings to just anyone.
Believe it or not, I'm a very non-judgemental person. What you are seeing as judgemental is really me just trying to push people to question their beliefs and those of others.
imrational 2 years ago
P.S. What is "agnostic atheism"? I have never heard that term used before. I am actually glad that you seem to be at least humbled enough to put the descriptor of agnostic in there. Bravo for you.
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
ugadawgs,
It is not humility to put "agnosticism" in there, it is a statement describing me.
I merely lack belief in a god or gods. I do not presume omniscience. There very well could be a god out there. However, as a Skeptic, I require a testable theory and supporting evidence before I believe in something.
imrational 2 years ago
So why not call yourself agnostic? According to your explanation it is a more accurate description than atheist.
As far as requiring a testable theory as a skeptic. It is something you are going to have to develop faith in a priori. If your heart is good then no doubt that part of you eventually will.
ugadawgs1984 2 years ago
ugadawgs,
"agnostic" only refers to knowledge and says nothing about belief.
I lack belief in a god or gods, so I am an atheist.
I lack knowledge of the existence of a god or gods, so I am also an agnostic... hence, "agnostic atheist".
I do not recognize "faith" as a legitimate means towards understanding reality.
imrational 2 years ago
some sex is sin, but if you love eachother and you are together because of that well sex then isnt wrong : )
1onetheone 2 years ago
be careful man, dont encourage too many people to think...another great vid!
pudodrewculous 2 years ago
For crying out loud, no where in the Bible does it say sex is wrong. Duh! Its natural, no one is disputing that. The real sin here is LUST. Lust can lead to many sexual sins, fornication, adultery, rape, incest, and I wont mention the next one bc people are still a bit sensitive on that issue. You guys get the idea. Also, all this only pertains to those who beleive in staying pure until marriage. If not, then of course be responsible about it.
zmode82 2 years ago
Just please if you guys wont bother to read the Bible, stop saying that it says sex is wrong. Get over yourselves, its gotten so annoying that atheists assume that we think sex is wrong.
zmode82 2 years ago
zmode82,
Actually, I've read the bible 3 times. This video explains why sex within a religiously sanctioned marriage is "good" while thoughts of lust are evil.
imrational 2 years ago
But, when you see a hot girl at the beach with hardly any clothes on, you naturaly think about sex or seing her naked. But its the controling ones actions and not acting on certon things, I understand that. Why dose the bible say do not look at a women with unpure thoughts because its adoltury in your heart? Naturaly thats impossible, weather your gay or straight. Hell I saw so meny hot girls tanning today !
pbrskater26 2 years ago
It is only right and appropriate in a small sliver of eventualities, including SANCTION BY AN IMAGINARY BEING. I have read the Bible. It's pretty damn clear.
Or is it ok to have sex with some drunk chick on Saturday night so long as you confess the sin Sunday morning? Isn't that how Christians do it? Screw up, own up, accept Jesus, instant Heaven?
Qermaq 2 years ago
zmode82,
Why don't you actually watch the video! It addresses EXACTLY what you are talking about!
Also, this video NEVER mentions the christian bible. When I made this video, I was thinking of the small, numerous cults that exist. I noticed that hedonistic cults tended to die out within a generation or sooner, while conservative cults tended to last far, far longer. This was video outlines one of the reasons I think why.
imrational 2 years ago
errrrr guy when you were saying that sex isn't a sin the i might think about not saying 'sexual sins'
newmesee 2 years ago
newmesee,
in many religions, sex is considered bad, evil, sinful, etc... and is only allowed for procreation or within the confines of a religiously sanctioned marriage.
imrational 2 years ago
and i know that, and i think that is rarther stupid sex should be fun for all if you did it responsibly and considered the other person
yay sex
newmesee 2 years ago
You Christians are so self-centered that you think any critique of religion is on you. Most Catholics I know are pretty liberal on sex issues, and ignore the Vatican on such matters. Other Christian denominations are far more open. But there are a LOT of proscriptions on sex in Catholicism and other world religions to make this little presentation worthwhile.
Qermaq 2 years ago
I like the music...
sonicman25 2 years ago
I think making sex a sin makes people think about it even more. Its like that mysterious button that you are told NOT to press. You wonder what it does, you can't stop thinking about it, you obsess over it until you finally have to press it or else you'll go insane. If nobody brought attention to the button then they probably would have just walked past it and probably wouldn't have pressed it.
jhhwild 2 years ago
Thanks alot! Great vid! This will help me alot in setting up my own re£igioulu$ cult. You want in? It is after all THE ONE TRUE religion..!
0no1one 2 years ago
What a big manifest of nonsense and stupidity. These atheist oops spagheti monsterists are coming up with preposterous ideas and questions. The sexual act itself it's not a sin but a sexual lust is. By embracing our sexual lust we wont be able to become Gods. That's the point of being a christian , to become perfect like out Lord Jesus Christ without any passion or lust. It's the same with food and liquids. Ortodox Christians fast for 260 days in a year plus the prayer against lust.
ttttomaz 2 years ago
ttttomaz,
thanks for proving my points.
imrational 2 years ago
I was sure you don't need any proof. Cause you're so intelligent and rational. I am glad I was at your service :)))))))))
ttttomaz 2 years ago
Oh please, don't be bitter and give him the thumbs down on both his comments. I am giving them back up to rectify your mistake :)
SaintMichael82 2 years ago
Sex is never wrong even if its premarital. "No sex, no children." Whoever is saying that sex is wrong is trying to make you feel guilty and/or hate yourself for your natural behaviors. People discourage premarital sexual intercourse because people find it hurts if not devastates lives of children who are born to unmarried "couples". People discourage premarital couple from sexual act for a reason but whoever religiously discourages you from it, ignore such folks. Use your mind and intuition!
Maxemois 2 years ago
this video is great.
you're straight forward, organized, and the path of logic you take is clear and unclouded. you make easy to understand videos which are extremely informational/educational.
i had never come across the concept of self-reinforcement (or brainwashing) the way you explained it. very nicely done
geolab101 2 years ago
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thedarknesscallingme 2 years ago 4
Sex isnt wrong. God's First commandment in the bible is "be fertile and multiply" but premarital sex is wrong because the reason for sex is to multiply and have children... Your just steriotypical to Religion... I'm Just wondering... are you an athiest
Cuishy123 2 years ago
If you'd been paying attention, you'd see that premarital sex is not wrong, and judging by the 'are you an athiest' comment, I'm guessing you are religious in some way. And its hard to explain to a brainwashed person how they were brainwashed. But by your religion 'denying' you sex, by claiming its a sin, and then only allowing you to get married (as a sacrament of the faith) then what they are really saying is "Sex is only okay if we say its okay, so join so you can have sex.'
crimsonfist3 2 years ago 3
Haha what are you people talking about. I am a Christian and the bible does not teach anywhere that sex is a sin. Even in other denominations of Christianity it does not teach that it is a sin. Where do people get this from? Sex is a gift from God as the bible describes it. The bible talks about sex as a beautiful thing.
pricer5 2 years ago
pricer5,
Oh, so premarital sex is ok?
imrational 2 years ago
No premarital sex is not ok. Because the bible clearly says that it is a sin and not ok to do. Sex is a beautiful thing and not a sin if bound within MARRIAGE. If sex was a sin then how would the world reproduce and populate.
pricer5 2 years ago
pricer5,
Um... what you said is EXACTLY what I was talking about.
imrational 2 years ago
Oh ok. Also I was curious as to the name of the song used at the beginning of the video??
pricer5 2 years ago
It's something I made in Apple's Garageband program using some it's preprogrammed loops.
imrational 2 years ago
lol that convorsation took a sharp turn
jaugernaut16 2 years ago
Thing is, they use any form of pleasure in this brainwashing cycle. Not just sex. Good food vs crap food. Reading a good book. Any kind of hobby. Anything except praying, denying yourself any pleasure at all and praising the local "God".
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
"It is a sin because religious leaders use it as a way of brainwashing their followers" Yawn!!!!!! back in those days, they would have discouraged sex simply because of pregnancy or STDs, pagan religions used to practise sexual rituals, you do realise that. One-night stands, adultery are all wrong! Marriage in the ideal world is what keeps a man and a woman together for all eternity but because we are human and are not so powerful we end up doing bad things which we cannot live to.
chsbcg 2 years ago
How do people get to turn a video like this into a 18+ one? Who makes these kinds of restrictions or is granting wishes to even close down channels?
Youtube has got to install "response flags" that possibly disagree with some other stupid users disagreement. And if that is overwhelming those have to shtfup, don't they?
Big thumbs up for this one and keep it up!
...and YOUTUBE, please get yourself together to prevent abuse of flags! ...meaning: to allow flagging to be overruled.
realisoph 2 years ago
realisoph,
I agree that flagging and banning are problems, but reverse-flagging won't work either. Horny teenage boys would reverse-flag any porn video to keep it up.
Yahoo Q&A recently instituted a community system to evaluate flagging. They have community volunteers who make judgement calls and the populace can determine if the volunteer over-reaches their power or not.
imrational 2 years ago
This kind of thoughtful comment is just why I subscribed.
When I said "to allow flagging to be overruled" I didn't necessarily mean "by popular vote".
Volunteers with well deserved moderating power are indeed a quick way to deal with such problems, while moderators taking inappropriate actions are to face restrictions.
Yet, popular votes are quite a mobilising power and in the end the most democratic way to achieve a balance.
I also think a users use of flags should be transparent.
realisoph 2 years ago
Let's try to stay rational and stick to the facts! You didn't prove that abstinence isn't fatal. Last time I had a dry spell I'm pretty sure I almost died.
cager7 2 years ago
lol! favorite comment this week :)
imrational 2 years ago
i would do some very naughty things to that nun at the end of the vid.
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Iowasweetie97 2 years ago
and that's why Atheists proved again that religion is wrong.
scientific studies show that the behavior of humans amongst them is the same as animals.
sex is nor wrong nor a sin, it's natural, get over it religious bigots.
renjida19 2 years ago
this seems more like instructions from a dictator. Christianity is founded on someone who didn't want any Earthly authority.
meleemaster1up 2 years ago
Having sex after marriage , is actually what puts you in a higher category than animals. Unless you believe you are one of 'em !
blooms125 2 years ago
blooms125,
Prove that you are not an animal.
imrational 2 years ago
No animal can type on a keyboard, no animal can be a biochemist, no animal can figure out that 1+1=2 , no animal can play guitar, no animal can love, no animal can pack and take a plane, no animal can know right from wrong, no animal goes to the toilet, no animal can be rational ( as you claim to be), and finally no animal can be moral, that is my proof that i am not an animal !
blooms125 2 years ago
im sure some animals can type on a keyboard, some can do math, hell i wouldnt be surprised if someone taught one to play a guitar. and theres def videos on ytube of animals using the toilet.
go look up the definition of animal, we are quite clearly animals, unless you'd like to think of humans as fungi or plants or bacteria or something. geez.
ikkuj 2 years ago
blooms125,
Not every human can type on a keyboard, be a biochemist, play guitar...
Many animals display bonding and attachment behaviors. Ask anyone with a pet dog if their god loves them. Other primates have been caught lying.
Also, some animals can do things that you cannot, does this make you more an animal?
We appear to be more smarter than other animals... but we're still animals. If inteligence varies between species, then one species would have to be the most intelligent, that's us.
imrational 2 years ago
you are free to believe whatever you like , so are we .
thanks 4 your reply anyway
blooms125 2 years ago
well the Evolution says you're wrong, look at some parrots who were trained to speak or to reason, it took billions of years for human to learn to speak, etc... If we train monkeys to be humans then let them to duplicate and train the babies, and this for many generations according to the Evolution they might be able to behave like humans.
renjida19 2 years ago
This is stupid on at least three levels:
a)A lot of animals can and do all of the above;
b)We are animals;
c)Denying behavioural facts does not cancel out heritage.
This type of bigoted shit is why I'm truly appalled by religion. Find some other way to feel important, leave other, often more dignified, creatures of this planet out of this claim of bigoted superiority.
SexyMelon 2 years ago
You are stupid on the following one level:
a) Contrary to what you foolishly stated as fact, animals canNOT do arithmetic. Parrots can memorize a small number of answers, some primates can estimate what they might need to complete a task, but no animal other than Homo sapien sapien has EVER done actual arithmetic.
Try Googling "why do I believe anything another atheist says?"...
jsteele46032 2 years ago
"Contrary to what you foolishly stated as fact, animals canNOT do arithmetic."
Yes they can. Unless you think the only way of finding out is giving them a pen and paper and expect to solve a puzzle written in language they don't understanding using concepts that haven't been explained.
It's common knowledge to anyone not thrashed over the head with humanistic bigotry, too.
Screw you, human.
SexyMelon 2 years ago
It just occurred to me why this video was flagged when it isn't really that dirty... The picture of the "naughty nun" could have done it since that fetish might be too controversial. Oh well.
goodyfun 2 years ago
goodyfun,
I think it was the monkey sex personally.
imrational 2 years ago
Perhaps, but I've seen videos like that on the National Geographic YouTube channel without being flagged, so who really knows?
goodyfun 2 years ago
awesome vid let's fuck the system and this votebot bullshit
Bigd6786 2 years ago
No sect of Christianity remotely within the realm of the major historical Christian tradition ever came anywhere near calling sex a sin. Lust, adultery, fornication, etc., are abuses of what we think sex should is for. We think that treating sex in a certain we here and now makes for a happier life here and now. Oh, and yeah, go to heaven. But that's another issue.
So whats the point of this video?
thirds84 2 years ago
Nice straw man. Don't know to what extent you're addressing Christianity here, but you did refer to "sin," an explicitly Christian concept.
thirds84 2 years ago
get your facts straight... there is no commandment that says sex is a sin...
SniperNightOwl 2 years ago
SniperNightOwl,
Well, this video actually addresses a number of small cults.. but in answer to your comment... most christians feel that premarital sex is a sin. This video also explains where that idea came from and why sex within marriage is allowed.
imrational 2 years ago
yeah i know
i'm just voicing that christianity doesn't say its a sin
and you did have an image of moses.
i think other people are instantly thinking of christianity when they see this
mingis11 2 years ago
mingis,
well... actually, it was christians who were saying that a man and a woman living together without being married was "living in sin"... so sex is obviously regarded as sinful by christians unless you're married. The reason for why marriage is an exception is at the end of the video.
imrational 2 years ago
man you are way wrong
God made sex and is all for it
in fact, the "sexual liberty" that this world stands for, cheapens sex.
With a christian view on sex, it pleases god and both parties involved.
mingis11 2 years ago
mingis11,
Where do I mention christianity in this video? This video applies to a wide range of small cults.
imrational 2 years ago
The fact alone that this video is flagged tells me that Christians are intent on hiding the truth and stopping free speech and using any means they can.
ElliotWoolf 2 years ago 2
omg this video is awesome! I love how youre able to explain things so vividly.
kaosragnarok87 2 years ago
LOL. This video is so true.
FreeThinker4Life 2 years ago
Obviously you aren't praying hard enough. *snicker*
tiredoflogins 2 years ago