AMD quad-core 4 sockets demo: twice as fast!

[Tensorskills]

are that delta fans in the background? xD

[2point8GHz]

My Wish List:

hey Can Someone Buy Me a AMD Gaming PC, here are the PC parts you can get me at newegg,com

1-MSI DKA790GX Platinum AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX motherboard.

1-AMD Phenom Black Edition 2.6-GHz Quad Core Processor.

1-HIS ATI Radeon 4870 or 4870X2 video card.

4GB's of 240pin G.Skill DDR2 800 of RAM.

1-Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid

Computer Case.

1-PC Power&Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V PS.

if you like to donate me one PC Part let me know. my email: rw_ilike@hotmail com

[Nimise08]

Are you an idiot?

[Vedalkenwow]

1) MSI is CRAP!

2) the 790GX Chipset is CRAP!

3)Go for the DFI LP DK790FXB-M2RSH motherboard

4)Go for the New Phenom II X4 940 BE

5) I am NOT buying you anything.

6) Are you an idiot?

[niels2029]

crap urself vedal... 790gx rocks have it for 2 yrs nw sonce first release... and still really fast

[8309400]

if processor companies tha make desktops can tame their love for dumbness, we should then

be able to have energy efficient pcs that run blazing fast monster games without the power drain and consequent high cost of ownership for vide cards and uselessly over watting processors, Hopefully soon, we will be able to play games like crysis in panavision scripting, at under 15 watts, Maybe video card companies will have pico itx video cards

with the same performance at a fraction of the power drain?

[JTMarlin8]

Consider the fact that engineers/artists are getting paid to sit there twiddling their thumbs while their code compiles or their images/videos render. 8-16 cores makes a difference.

8-core processors will be out in 2009, and there are plenty of professionals that will be able to take advantage of four of them for 32 cores.

[8309400]

that claim is just justification for more processor overkill and prepping more marketing hype for intels profit!

[JTMarlin8]

Unless you compile large amounts of code or render lots of video or graphics, you simply won't understand.

[8309400]

ill tell you a little secret about coding games and java apps dude, a processor CANT FETCH data faster than the storage can give it and the speed at which storage gives a cpu data is measured by its random access reads and writes speed. A 4 ms random write/seek provides only 250 requests (fetches) per second, wich means your 3GHZ quad core isn't working faster than 250 HZ, most drives do 12ms read write, so a pc runs around 100HZ the cpus GHZ is overkill unless you have a ramsan300

[GnosticDjinn]

JTMarlin8 is right. I render some pretty heavy shit, 24 million verts plus render effects. On 4 cores one frame would take an insulting amount of time. I use an 8 core right now, but I'm also buying a couple of 4 socket quad-core mobos to set up to work with this PC as my interface. That will literally open the door for blazing fast renders that *don't require much of anything to be written to disk except the final output.* I'll drop you a 24 mil count frame and let you render it.

[8309400]

beleive me im very coding aware and pretty soon when (one microsecond write speed) ssds become affordable, game companies will probably start wirting games in Ultra Panavision (2.76:1)but it wont matter because ati video cards wont need much map compression like 3Dc, when sorage drives are blazing fast compression isnt needed much.

[humexavier]

Assembling a intel chip should be easier;;

New tech info is working on a levitating laser AMD processor which obtains its power while levitating, with a simple solar cells around it and laser light being its light source, not sun light.

[qwertymac93]

omg, 16cores?

[zytekfan]

Barcelona and all of K10 sucks right now due to the L3 errata and some other small problems.

Once B3 stepping comes out, K10 will be a lot faster and the frequencies will start going up :)

[jaybird3k35]

well i am a video editor and to be honest every single intel chip machine i have used has out performed amd so i am not switching

[vmelkon]

It depends on the CPUs you are comparing. I don't know if these quad core (barcelona) are better with video editing but from generation to generation, things change. It's a matter of looking at benchmarks.

[Greenmarine6]

jaybird you are not buying the right AMD chip because until the C2d's came out the AMD's out performed the INtel chips hands down in everything..it's obvious you never bought an AMD chip. I am a pre press color professional and Intel's sucked ass for Photo shop until the Core 2 duo's came out...now we have Macs with c2d in them and they are well just OK.

I do most of my work at home on my AMD 6400+ platform and it out performs the new macs Hands down

[hsew]

I don't see the point in "true quad core" processors if Intel's aren't true Quads but are faster.

All AMD needs is to put a larger L2 Cache on their processors and they'll probably be faster than Intel.

[koawl]

if i'm not wrong.. adding a larger L2 cache will increase the cost.. isn't really the AMD way =D

and as always said " u pay for what u get"

[hueyae12]

that guy killed it with his talking

[shakidaki]

and go on microcenters website and checkout the byopc section and clik on cpus and the amd 64-fx74 socket f processor is 300 bucks and thats microcenter

[shakidaki]

you can buy a opteran for about 300 bucks that is not expensive i payed 999 for my amd 64 fx 55 processor and amd quad core is actualy 2 processors in one box with 4 cores a piece so dont say amd is lieing and the amd quad core platform the consumer version is 300 bucks and that 2 processing units in one box if you dont believe search it on google

[ghosttwo2]

Notice how everybody is faster than the other guy? And it's Pee Oh Vee Ray, not Pawv Ray. POV is an acronym. These are the people who call GUI 'Gooey'.

[racsito39]

Blah blah blah, thank you very blahmuch (simple math).

[onceoverthere]

Hm...never would have guessed that a quad core would be faster than a dual core...

[aussie114]

wow a 4 core is twice as fast as a 2 core, logic could have worked that out,

[eliden]

no one really know what these two companies have up their sleeves... besides opteron is for computer servers. consumers won't be able to afford or know wat to do with two processors that is outrageously expensive...

[eliden]

intel is still quad core cuz i count 2 dual cores on 1 processor case... lol... amd should do something like that cuz 1 amd processor alone outperforms intel single core to single core... atleast make 1 ducktape version as well... to show off your rivals... man u guys are retarded when it comes to business entrepenuer... more money = funds research... intel already have in store their cross and ht processor to processor they have the money...

[cuttyisgay]

it isnt native quad core, amd is trying to get all cores on one single die working and they are having trouble, intels one is still 2 dual cores on one chip. so they arent any cleverer in getting that to work.

[eliden]

correct... but you still see performance increase in their 2x dual core design (so called: quad core). until AMD pull sumtin for the am2 socket, intel is still up to date. Besides intel has upgradibility for the 775 socket from dual core to quad core, while amd is talking about a am2+ and am3 socket, and not allowing am2 boards to get upgraded in processors... i can't say for sure but only time will tell...

[cuttyisgay]

there is confusion for am2 and am3, but its just the same. am2 will use ddr2, it has a ddr2 controller on the am2 cpu, but you cant use it in am3 motherboards. but in a am3 cpu it has ddr2 and ddr3 memory controllers. so instead of upgrading your motherboard and ram, u can just stick a am3 cpu in. so its just the same as intel.

[eliden]

i'll believe it when i see it...

[eliden]

u know when u revolutionized from single to dual core... why cant u just repeat the process and put 4 processor on 1 tiny wafer 1cm x 1cm chip? or 2 tiny wafers stacked on each other to save room? and parallel the damn circuits? im not saying copy intel with their network design, but just parallel it and realease it soon! you may say intel isnt a quad core, but atleast they came up with something sooner than you guys.

[ARTIMUS09]

so , why are the pics loading so slowly? like, how is that a benchmark?...loading a pic.

[cuttyisgay]

omg idiot its rendering the pic not loading it, and the rendering uses all cores to test its speed.

[cuttyisgay]

its rendering the pictures from a 3d model using all the cores. hence its a valid benchmark.

[ARTIMUS09]

ahh, I see, thx

[ARTIMUS09]

I've gotta agree with the guys just below me here, intel is out in front because they got lucky and got their product and advertising out first, same with the quad core, but AMD is making a comeback, expect to see more AMDs in the future.

[liquidslayer]

they got lucky!?

[unrealriot]

AMD are not stupid and lazy, you know that Intel does so many advertisements than AMD? And also they get a lawsuit illegaly XD

[maroom1]

I hope that AMD dies because they are stupid, lazy and a bunch of liars

They claimed that K10 will be 50% faster than core 2 !!!! That was a big lie. They are the biggest liars in the whole world

[porksandwich9113]

Intel made the same claim about P4...so much for that..

[CooperXS]

In that case you will be left with core2 architecture for the rest of your like, stupid

[vojkostar]

mrdeadmeat: how do u know that?

gipsy tells U from a glass ball , or maby u are some kind of prophet? :)

[mrdeadmeat]

Yes, the leprachorn on my back gets all the latest news from his unicorn.... No :) Trust me, AMD is falling behind.

[vojkostar]

AMD is at least 10 tmes smaller than intel so it is not easy to fight chipzilla

[texnixian]

just ask this...

when?

when we can prove that barcelona outperform Intel's by over 40%?

when?

amd spend too much time speaking about intel, and how much better than intel they processors work...

[REPOMAN24722]

AMD RULES FOREVER.

[maroom1]

AMD speaks a lot

Intel works a lot

[texnixian]

WTF is that noise?!

xD

i can't heard you! xD

my intel core 2 quad doesn't make more noise than the air moving ;D

cya

[mrjustin5]

texnixian, those are 1U servers. They're extremely noisy because they're SERVERS - for data centers - they are designed for maximum cooling with total disregard for noise/sound level. Those are not designed to sit on your desk or tv with the Xbox sitting on top of it.

[borisdju]

dud intel with his core 2 quad arhitecture pass yours 1 yeare tuday core 2 duo processors from intel are faster then your amd new processors thet you mentsn i dont no englis wery well bat i no thet amd is SHi!

[SS4Majku]

fuck you, little bastards, YOU LET US DOWN!!!

[hellzone100]

amd is loseing baddly, my freinds that used amds are dumping there systems for intel quads.

[enigma067]

decaalv, the Barcelona has four cores on one die. It is a true quad core CPU. Tigerton, Kentsfield and Clovertown are all packages from Intel and have big problems with regards to memory bandwidth. Barcelona has all four cores on a single die. It will be 40 - 50% faster then those packages from Intel. And nicebay408guy is still lying with his video.

[Fishdude404]

LOL. Don't flatter yourself. There have been plenty of valid proven arguments against that statement of 50% performance increase over clovertown. AMD's released performance numbers for the Xeons were compared to older Xeons and the slowest Clovertown. In terms of performance per clock, barcelona is only about 1% faster than a clovertown, not your amazing 50%. I'm just laughing at all the straight out lying coming out of these AMD executives' mouths.

[vividesigner]

too many cores and a big electric bill! Im still buying a intel no matter what anyone says AT THIS POINT IN TIME!

[enigma067]

vividesigner, Intel has the same number of cores in their chips. Don't you know that? Intel's quad core Penryn chip will be on the 45nm process. The Barcelona is on the 65nm process. This means Barcelona will cost the customer less money then Penryn because of the difference. AMD works to save you money, Intel expects you to pay more.

[mrdeadmeat]

Maybe because INTEL IS QUALITY, and AMD is quantaty. INTEL RULES!

[FurballRZ]

intle braught a 3.0 quad last year lol, the okto core is roumored to be rlised this november or so

[Supremax67]

ROFL, you for real? Intel is quantiy and amd is quantity, you got it in reverse. Intel still produces more chips than AMD. But AMD always had more intelligent architecture than INTEL. If you were listening at all during the video, the guy said they'll move from dual core to quad core without higher wattage or heat. Don't know about you, but that's damn impressive.

[mrdeadmeat]

It is simulated bullshit my friend. The new penryn will blow AMD out of the water, amd just can't keep up.

[Supremax67]

Simulated bullshit? Really? Were you at the conference? That video is legit. And AMD as rarely came behind their promises of ship dates. However AMD have been known to have shortage of supplies at times. That just tells you how good their stuff sell, better than they expected.

[enigma067]

The v8 is an eight core system. The Barcelona is a 4 core system. You're comparing two systems that are not even in the same classification. Be fair!

[enigma067]

Nicebay408guy's video is not the truth. He claims "Barcelona 16 core". The Opteron is dual (2) core and the Barcelona is quad core (4). 2 + 4 = 6 not 16 ! He's lying to you.

[theguardians1217]

wow wat is in the back ground a vacumm cleaner or the quad core computer

[BrenttheGreat]

lol no kidding.

[cgman2]

These computers are designed for rendering 3D which is what their doing their not rendering easy to render game graphics. In rendering 3D upto 500 processors are used to render one project the Quad core allows them to do it weeks faster.

[enigma067]

In the video you are replying with the two monitors on the right are an Opteron (dual core) and the Barcelona (quad core). 2 + 4 = 6 not 16! Really, you must learn to lie a little better!

[jodase01]

When AMD will release Barcelona? what are the pros of this new wave of CPUs compared with the current Intels, and which is gonna be the cost?

[alpha754293]

There's no 16-cores here. He's comparing 8-way systems, one of which is dual quad-core and the other is quad dual-core.

Quote: "wrong" :oP

Just out of curiosity - what WOULD you to do with a 16-way system anyways and can you even afford it?

[alpha754293]

oops...nevermind. I was wrong.

[alpha754293]

you guys DO realize that the SMP version of POVray is a beta test version right???

[amfan12]

Ummm..Why don't you try it for yourself.

[scrambler77]

Intel > Amd - point!

[NickHey]

Something isn't right here... either AMD have a problem with Barcelona and it's not as powerful as expected, or the type of PovRay they ran wasn't very good?

[Nomeless]

Try to use your brain for once. That intel system is much higher clocked than AMD's test systems. And again, it's not about the score, it's about the power efficiency. The non HE Opteron chips will be clocked much higher with a much better score. Read and educate your self.

[amfan12]

The intel version is also using the SSE2 POVRAY, the AMD is using legacy x87. Which is around 20% slower per core

[wonderworm]

Notice how he states that both cores were "not the fastest clocks available". That then makes you ask why are they not comparing the quad core vs the "highest" speed dual core to see a true gauge of how much faster a quad is. Being 95% faster than a low end (low speed) dual core is not that impressive and very misleading. Why don't they just compare it to their fastest 3.0gHZ dual core Opterons instead of some mystery 1.? GHZ Opteron!! Somethings rotten in Germany.

[omegaz3ro]

Anyone noticed that AMD "downclocked" the CPUs to the Opteron's frequency in this demo to correctly compare them with their old dual cores?

Now you're comparing that kind of scaling-wise comparison to some 3Ghz x core 8core machine? LOL

That said, I'm not defending AMD, I just hate to see people (reads fanboys) talking without having a clue of what they're saying..

[torxx]

is that noise the fans from the computers??

[faro0485]

Quad core is only almost twice as faster? That's reasonable... though I guess the best part would be the power efficiency. Though I wonder about intel and their 45 nano production...

[Nomeless]

For those who don't get the point:

The point is that AMD is able to deliver twice the performance within the same power requirements. That means Quad core is as power efficient as Dual core.

It has nothing to do with Quad Core is faster than Dual Core because not every benchmark will show you twice the performance.

[dwpettis]

You'll end up having to drive that point home with a pile driver, because so many are predisposed to hop on the negativity express. All aboard!

[enigma067]

Not to mention Intel has yet to release a TRUE quad core chip. They should also refrain from illegals such as anti competition tactics. To the best of my knowledge, AMD hasn't broken any laws. Intel's been sued many times and lost.

[arthur2647]

they are... at the end of this year..."yorksfield" it has a 12mb L2 cache and is not 2 core 2 duos mashed together its actually single chips.

[Universallyknown]

yawn. quad is faster than dual core. big deal.

[supertamal2000]

they're just mnetioning the "scaling" I supose