Check out the MAYA people of Tanzania, who manufactured CARBONIZED STEEL 2000yrs before any Europeans. Clearly then they fashioned weapons and tools in steel!! before even the Japanese Samurai.
very nice video! oh and I'd like to say that in the samurai era, it took about a year to make a sword, and the guy said it now takes about 3-4 months. Is it because it's now easier or they simply make it low quality (well, maybe not low quality but not as high quality as it was before)?
@hunyaga thank you :) i am very inspired by you! i wich to learn as much Japanese as possible before i am sure that i can move there. As my life ambition is to be a pilot for ANA (All Nippon Airways) and live in Japan aswell XD Domo arigatou gozaimasu hunyaga~sensei!!
why would someone pay that much for a sword?! a 1000 katana is just as good. What matters is the blade not who made it or if it uses authentic materials for the saya and tsuka and the like. The blade of a 1000 sword is just as good as a 10000, if not, then not by much. Todays highcarbon steels is better then tamahagane. ppl are just payin to be able to say they have a "real katana".
@KrimzonKnight01 The modern ink is superior to the ink of the Middle Ages. All picture of the modern painter is not more splendid than the masterpiece of the Middle Ages yet.
If you cannot understand art and tradition, you do not understand value of Katana at all.
@marz12aug you can't compare ancient masterpieces with new swords. If i were to paint the mona lisa with the exact same materials and skill of Da Vinci, is it as valuable as the original? no. these swords are not soo expensive because of their artist and cultural value, but because of simple economics. they're handmade and anything handmade is ridiculously expensive, especially when every part is handmade and the materials are harder to come by.
New "genuine KATANA" is a handmade sword of the first-class swordsmith who trained for several years.
It is this that I said
"Japanese genuine KATANA is a work of the first-class swordsmith. It is very rude that you compare this genuine Katana with an imitation of 200 dollars."
@marz12aug when did i say anything about a 200 dollar katana being better than a handmade one? I only said that they were over priced for what they were. seems you are bitching at the wrong person.....
3,000 dollars are inferior to a cost price of the material of Katana even if we disregarded artistic value. Because the harness of Katana is special order product for individual Katana. Each part is first class materials. A first-class craftsman around 10 people is concerned for one Katana.
As for become to Katana-swordsmith, severe ascetic practices more than four years are required to get a swordsmith qualification. In addition, they must pass the severe test of the Japanese Government.
Furthermore, Katana which one swordsmith puts on sale for one year is only 2~7. Katana-swordsmith who having the license in Japan is around 300 people now. However, swordsmith producing Katana will be around 100 people.
Katana is not a "just a steel sword". real Japanese Katana is one of most respected art of Japan."the material selected carefully" and "first class swordsmith" and "first class craftsmen" spend several months. cannot you understand it?
@marz12aug i do not understand what is katana? sure i do, its a really sharp piece of steel, nothing more nothing less. its artistic and symbolic value are completely dependent on the individual. I see a tool, you see something more. its like having two identical cars, but one has a nicer interior. In the end they'll both do the same job, one will just be significantly cheaper. Perhaps its not that i dont understand its value, but that you value it too much.
@KrimzonKnight01 There are a lot of collectors of Katana all over the world. They know a historic meaning of individual Katana. And they really inspect genuine Katana from various points of view. They buy and sell it at "an appropriate price". I feel really annoying that you tell about Katana.
@marz12aug there are a lot of collectors out there for a lot of things. some ppl pay tens of thousands of dollars for paintings that are nothing more than random splashes of paint on a canvas. so i guess that makes them that valuable? hey if some ppl feel that a sword is worth $20000, thats their problem, if they got the cash to burn, have at it. i only said that I don't think they are worth it.
@KrimzonKnight01 The minimum matter to become genuine Katana smith is a pass of severe training more than four years and the test of Japanese Government.
Furthermore, severer study and talent are necessary so that their "art" is treated in a market. And, as for Katana trade in Japan, the appraisal of "The Society for Preservation of Japanese Art Swords" is published.
Genuine Katana is done quality control of so thoroughly.
However, "bring it up of the swordsmith and protection of the traditional manufacturing method"; "reliability of a guarantee of quality and the judgment" from such a point of view, current West sword cannot but be said to be inferior to reliability in the market.
and a Katana that not attached appraisal is treated cheaply like in this video.
The reliable quality is traded with a high price. Because it is protected reliability strictly, Katana is expensive. West sword will be the sword which is splendid like Katana.West sword should be high price like Katana if West sword trusted that succeeds to quality and tradition.
If a producer neglects fair quality control and maintenance of the artistry, the folkcraft will be expelled by a cheap "tool". like your mind.
@marz12augI feel really annoyed that you seem to feel you have some sort of obligation to attack and call "ignorant" everyone who isn't in awe of a katana like you. "cheap western sword" , LMAO and you call me ignorant?! You hold the katana on a pedestal and talk down to all other swords, your your so full of your own shit! ohh and their are just as many " katana lovers" talking shit on vids about western swords. I like katanas and i like european swords, neither are worth 20000.
@KrimzonKnight01 LMAO? yea,i call you "ignorant" agaain. *Japanese personnel expenses *production days of Katana *number of people of the craftsman related to one Katana *price of materials of Katana *An objective guarantee of the quality *Artistic value *succession of the folkcraft of several hundred years * demand of the collector *Rarity of "genuine" Katanasmith money sense of Japanese who know Katana well judges an average of 10,000 dollars is "cheap" at least.
@marz12aug english is definitely not your first language is it? Half of what you said doesn't make much sense. reliability? Expensive katana are nothing more than display pieces, when will you ever have to use it? and if so, you definitely wont push its limits for fear of damaging your expensive sword, which defeats the purpose of having the damn thing. I said earlier that the reason they were priced so high were economic, so your only telling me something i already know.
@marz12aug so what I'm saying is YES they cost that much, but they ARE NOT worth it. 10,000, 20,000, or more for a piece of steel. you can go on and on about tradition, history, symbolism, art , etc etc, but at the end of the day its still just a piece of steel. I'd rather spend 1000 to 3000 for a high carbon blade katana, with relatively cheap furnishings, than 20000 for an "authentic katana". Especially since they would perform similarly.
@KrimzonKnight01 I am a Japanese. I write English for your stupid remark.
A senior of Iaido really uses genuine Katana. A beginner who break Katana uses a replica for exercises. 3,000 dollars are right prices of Katana for "beginner"exercises of Iaido. In the first place genuine Katana is NOT FOR AMATEUR like you.
@marz12aug Stupid remark? me thinking that a stupid sword shouldn't cost 20000 is stupid? so my opinion is different than yours, so what? why do you feel zoo offended that i don't think they're worth it? explain how a beginner breaks a 3000 dollar sword. what are they striking with it, because whatever it is im sure a "genuine" katana wouldn't handle it any different. lol the car reference is really not appropriate, because a genuine katana is not superior to the carbon steel versions.
@KrimzonKnight01 You do not intend to look at the site that I showed. And you are the true ignorance that even proper how to handle Katana does not know. The appropriate training of the iaido never break Katana.
Thus you will use Katana to be under random handling.
A person like you may not understand a genuine article.
@marz12aug yeah i went to the website, just a bunch of stuff about metal. Im not going to bother myself by searching through it. you want me to read something, send me the right link. You've yet to answer my question, on exactly how a "genuine" katana is superior to high carbon version. Break katana in iaido? how do you break your sword by drawing it? lol
@KrimzonKnight01The iaido teaches a method of appropriate Tameshigiri. You will treat Katana in a disorderly manner for fun. An imitation is surely suitable for a person like you.
@marz12aug so you copy and pasted a whole article : /? you do realize that doesn't help you prove anything, right. iT just described the characteristics of tamahagane, it in no way described a way i which it was superior to high carbon steel. perhaps an imitation is better suitable for me, but like i said, you've yet to prove how the genuine katana are better. I don't see why someone would need a 20000 dollar sword for appropriate tameshigiri.
@KrimzonKnight01This article shows that the manufacturing method of tamahagane and Katana is related closely.
Genuine Katana is made with the manufacturing method to draw a characteristic of Tamahagane to the maximum. HitachMetal sells steel materials for high-quality knives in the knife makers in the world by applying the manufacturing method of tamahagane.
"Modern high carbon steel" may not be of better quality than Tamahagane yet. The hardness of Tamahagane is over HRC61-65. This is the highest grade in a category of "carbon steel for blades".
In other words the hardness of Tamahagane is more than high-speed steel.Thus what is the maker of your sword? show evidence that Your sword superior to genuine Katan.
By the way, Katana of "coldsteel" is 1055steel. Do you understand a meaning of 1055steel?lol
advise for you; don't bother to argue fanboys. It's like arguing over religion. Maybe you already know this by now but anyway; so called genuine jap. swords are made by a restricted number of smiths and also the monthly output of blades is limited by law. That means that the potential clientele is quite limited and they simply wouldn't buy such an expensive product if it's not made with trad.Tamahagane. That's all, it's not better than modern high performance steel. 90% mythos
@kunstsein yeah thats why i stopped arguing. he wasn't even listening, just going on and on about "genuine article" and how im ignorant. yeah i agree, modern steels are superior to tamahagane but some ppl just don't get it into their heads. i knew about the limited production, but failed to connect it to the the whole supply and demand thing.
@marz12augtherethere i actually bothered to read it, and again, so what? you gave me a link that only describes how katana are made. I already knew most of that. modern high carbon steel is better. lol i find it fascinating how obsessed you are with these swords.
@KrimzonKnight01 The item of "Tamahagane and Japanese sword" which I pointed out writes a characteristic of Tamahangane. You would merely look at the page of "japanese sword".
@KrimzonKnight01 "Tama-hagane is steel with a carbon content of 1% to 1.5% and has the chemical composition best suited for edged tools. The carbon content of sage-hagane is approximately 0.7%, while that of knife steel is 0.1% to 0.3%. Their compositions make them exceedingly malleable. The amount of chemical impurities present with all these types of steel is extremely low; one can say that they are particularly pure elements for use as steel material."
When compared with modern-day steel, the older steel types possess the unique characteristic of being rich in oxygen. For this reason, there are many oxidized inclusions in the portion of iron slag (the non-metal inclusion) found in the steel. The oxidized inclusions are extremely soft compared to the inclusions found in normal steel. They are easily stretched, and through repeated smelting become finely dispersed and impervious to damage.
While non-metal inclusions in normal steel are undesirable, the inclusions that are widely dispersed in Japanese steel are a positive factor that reproduces natural elements through repeated smeltings. In this sense, compared to modern steel it is possible to say that wako (Japanese steel) contains extremely pure natural elements.
"Given that the natural elements in wako (Japanese steel manufacturing through tatara iron working, or tama-hagane) are extremely pure, it possess the following characteristics:It can be easily forge welded.
It can be hardened through heating, does not bend, and is sturdy.
Given that it is easily polished, good cutting edges can be produced.
It does not rust easily.
Beautiful tempering patterns can be created on Nihonto because the steel's baking range appears clearly."
Katana isn't normal steel piece. Search this in Google; "Hitachi-Metal,Tamahagane and Japanes sword."
performance of your Katana? Tameshigiri is not a performance of "swords".
Iaido-ka can cut TatamiMat with any kind of sword. Because sword is slash weapon. An appropriate incidence angle can cut Tatamimat with the cheap sword.
Tameshigiri is only one of the tests of the movement of "user".
@KrimzonKnight01 you sayt hat,"under $200 that are actualy better made than some of the more expensive katana swords i have." Do you think that value of Katana is only "forged"?
if you think so,You do not understand value of Katana. You understand the difference of da Vinci and imitation. However, you said that your 200$ blade is better than a genuine sword.
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@abbhuse Not really. There's not any kind of super secret technique. That's myth. Like all craftsmen, they each had their own way of doing things, but it was more or less the same basic thing. You can make a sword in a factory and get similar results.
the most important thing of "Samurai" is not only their looks or sword, armor whatever you can see but their spirit. Please read "Bushido" written by Inazo Nitobe.
@zewenwu in the movie there was mentioned that the price was 3000$. But probably that katana was rare and very high quality. In the place where i live (Poland) You can buy swords for fighting and for decoration. Katana for decoration is rathjer cheap - 60 zlotys (20$). katana for training costs over 120 zlotys (40$) and is lower quality than katana for real fighting against a man with another sword. So the type of katana for fighting costs at least 1800 zlotys (600$). In USA pices are equal.
As I can recall the genuine katanas are classified as inestimable heritage objects and with no means they can be get out of Japan. Anyway most of them belong to private collectors who I very much doubt they'd sell them, legally or other ways...swords sold in shops (tourists) are like key-rings, something to get home and hang over the fridge. A simple man can't touch the classic made swords.
The cheapest TRUE katana you´ll ever find will cost you about 5000 dollars. There are a few about 300 years old that have tasted human blood that could cost more than 50,000 dollars.
There was a really good PBS program that showed the step by step process of a traditional craftsman making a Katana (which took over three months) Its a long process, and the vast majority of Katanas people have are imitations, not hand made. They demonstrated the hand made sword on thick bamboo shoots, which most swords could not cut through in a single clean stroke. This sword though went right through two big shoots in one swipe that made a perfect cut with very little splintering. Awesome
Then Katana is not "sword for cut an steel-armor".
At the time of "Japanese invasion of the Mongolian" of the 13century, the "leather armor" of the Mongolian was cut off by Katana. this description was exaggerated in Europe and America.
Katana is not a main weapon in the battlefield.
Katana used for the situation that Yumi or yari is not usable.
By the way, there are many variations in Samurai-Armor. I seem to be considerably misunderstood about the Japanese armor in Europe and America.
I'm not sure what you mean by the "leather armour" being "cut off" by katana, but many katana had their tips broken off from cutting at Mongolian armour. It was an important wake-up call that they needed to improve their forging techniques.
On the contrary, Katana to be opposed to Mongolia armor was made more thinly than conventional Katana. It is the result that assigned a focus to the cutting of the leather armor.
This is common to then Katana.
Rather such thin Katana became outdated because a Japanese armor used many steel after14c.
The katana has never been designed to cut any sort of armour at all. And to cut leather you certainly don't want THIN blades, you want THICK ones. Thinner blades would be more suitable to metal armours, as you don't want to penetrate the armour, but drive the point into unarmoured parts. Some swords can penetrate maille in a thrust, though, and those swords have a particularly acute point.
@Gilmaris The reason why I took a TV program is that I make a cynical remark on the poorness of grounds about Japan of the Westerner.
Katana of the time when the Kamakura Shogunate expected an attack of Mongolia is really thin. And those thin katana became outdated in the 14th century.
This is proved by the remains.
And the testimony that "Katana cut an armor of Mongolia" is a report of Mongolia force.
Do not use History Channel as a source. That's popular history, focusing on good stories and myths rather than facts.
If you listen to History Channel, they'll tell you that the katana helped fight off the Mongols, whereas the fact remains that the katana faired poorly against the heavily armoured Mongols, and the first invasion in particular was an embarrassing affair for the Japanese as they would have been completely overrun if not for the Kamikaze and internal conflict.
And Mongolia force withdrew because they exhausted all arrows for a local unit.
And the first invasion did not have Kamikaze. The fleet of Mongolia ran aground in the vicinity of merely Korea. This is by report of Mongolia force, too.
Kamikaze was exaggerated to emphasize a trace of God. You know only an old-fashioned theory.
@marz12aug 150 dollars is just to look pretty a 250 dollar katana is real but only meant to cut soft material $1400 katana is use for cutting through cut mats which have a bamboo center to act as human bone but cant cut samurai armor then there is my sword which put me back $2,987 which can cut through the samurai armor it was made by a family that still makes them as they did in the past no modern tech to assist in. but you are 100% percent correct in all your statements
@dig6dog Perhaps you watched only an element of Tamahagane. However, it is refined by the manufacturing method of Katana. A characteristic of Tamahagane is essential to it.
Look "tale of Tatara" in Hitachi Metal official website.
today, a blade like the praying mantis by paul chen is possibly the best katana you can buy, and its $1400. hand made howard clark L6 blades are $3000 plus the fittings, and so on, there are many reputable producers that make similiar blades. (take a look at sword buyer's guide); point is, if you want entertainment,you can't make a real caveman painting in dinosaur blood with $300, but you can have a plasma tv. it's same for katanas.
Last I checked (which is a while ago), a fully polished and fitted Howard Clark L6 went for something like 6000 USD. As far as durability goes, I suppose L6 blades are as good as it gets, but they rust very easily and need vigilant maintainance.
now, chinese smiths often produce sloppy work, not because they are incompetent, but to save time. however, there are some very nice blades out there, and if you get a chinese made katana that has proper heat treatement, proper blade geometry and that has been well fitted, it will also have been made with superior steel, and in the end superior to a tamahagane sword; at the moment, L6 is the best steel a sword can be made out of, and some reputable chinese smiths use it, but its not *cheap*.
japanese smiths do not work with modern steel because they are traditionalists and quite backwards in their approach to technology. also, their profession is highly regarded in japan and the prices they ask are very high in a nation where the economy is very pricey. also, they produce less blades per year as they do not use modern methods. the chinese on the other hand, work quickly and buy mass-produced steel billets, keeping the costs extremely low. not that this billets are of excellent steel
ok, to clarify things up a bit .. katanas that cost $300 are made in china, with superior materials, but inferior blade geometry. tamahagane is rubbish, but the smiths that work with it are very skilled. however, a proper blade such as a paul chen praying mantis is superior as a weapon to any japanese tamahagane blade.
the sword's fittings, on the other hand, are almost always superior on japanese blades. now the question may be, why do japanese smiths work with tamahagane ?
Tamahagane is anything but "crap", what you are thinking of is the iron from which tamahagane is made. Tamahagane is the purified product.
Modern Japanese smiths also use modern equipment, but Japanese law ties their hands as to how effective they can be. They are required by law to make no more than one blade per month, in order to ensure proper quality. Which gives smiths no great incentive to invest in modern equipment, as traditional methods can easily make one sword per month.
you're so lucky to go in Tozando Shop, It's my dream to go in because I love samurai sword. So, I am an ancient iaido student, I can't practize iaido because I haven't enougth time to go at my dojo, so, I continue to practise myself (after 2 years of practise). I Have ordered an iaito sword, and i am waiting for! I believe that my future sword will be a beautiful master piece! And I will practice iaido in september, I hope!
An imitation about Japan spreads over the North America. The 80% of "sushi" of North America is not japanese sushi. It is Korean food copied from sushi.
It is a toy made in China of almost Katana in North America.
250 dollars!?
You do not understand how expensive Tamahagane is.
@marz12aug the price of the sword is meaningless it is how the sword is made that matters, ive seen plenty of real swords that are hand forged and even folded for under $200 that are actualy better made than some of the more expensive katana swords i have.
@shinobiwarrior1990 You do not know a characteristic of Katana and Tamahagane. Therefore you can say such a silly talk. The reason why Katana is estimated highly is technology to balance sharpness and toughness by putting high carbon steel and low carbon steel together. Furthermore, exact abrasion and exquisite temperature control make Katana a work of art of tens of thousands of dollars. As for you, the work of art is not distinguished from a toy, too.
@marz12aug how could you possibly tell me what i know and what i do not know, you dont even know who i am, it is unwise to speak of someone that you do not know. As for distinguishing from a toy and real sword, ill have you know that every single katana i have is a real sword, all can easily perform tameshigiri.
Any kind of sword is can doing tameshigiri ordinary. Because sword is tool for cutting humanbody.
tameshigiri is not a test for "swords".For example, I can make hit with my cheap baseball bat. If I say "my bat is more superior than professional baseball player's bat. Because my bat can make many hits!", I will be surely treated like an eccentric.
@wefdeas I know this is Korean mind.Korean say sushi is Korean food,Ninja is Korean,Katana is Korean,Japanese all cultuer is korean.and Korean insist it on youtube in a lot of videos.
BTW England food copied French food? NoWay!
Japan was trade with china and other asian country directry since ancent time.
@marz12aug tamahagane would be cheap if it was produced industrialy, but it's not since its actually a pretty shitty steel. the whole process of traditional smelting was introduced to purify it and to allow the smiths to work with an inferior product. any modern steel is superior to tamahagane, even 1080 steel, and when compared to T10, or L6, it just becomes worthless. the only reason a traditional katana is expensive is the ridiculous prices that japanese craftsmen expect to be paid.
@marz12aug when you think about it, tamahagane is pretty much just 2% carbonsteel with a fancy name, I'm sure you can get it for that price by an american blacksmith.
@Verradonairun Tamahagane is steel that smaller particle reduced to its elements at low temperature not just steel.
then Tamahagane has the other various characteristics. In addition, those fine particles give Katana artistic value. Those characteristics were enabled by the rare iron oxide sand. If you are satisfied with a sword made in U.S.A., it is the best choice for you. By the way, the person knowing the value of the first-class masterpiece will not be satisfied with a printed imitation.
@marz12aug Personally I think it is most likely that even collectors aren't able to tell the difference. I myself, care more about a swords quality, than the historical value of it, but that's just me, of course. Do not take offense ;-)
@Verradonairun If there is the experience that you watched genuine Katana, you should be able to distinguish an imitation from a genuine Katana immediately. There is the glitter of a delicate particle called "Nie" or "Waki" in genuine Katana.
In addition, the artistry of sword blade and Hamon is totally different, too. In addition, genuine Katana polished very delicately,several week by genuine Katana polisher. therefore, Katana is evaluated because of completeness without compromise.
@marz12aug I recently made one out of the Leaf Spring off a truck. See knivesbyhand website. It is not for sale. It is not very pretty with a simple rose wood handle. I am testing it this week by hacking at old tires to see if it can withstand the punishment. It is by no means equal to a genuine Katana.
Check out the MAYA people of Tanzania, who manufactured CARBONIZED STEEL 2000yrs before any Europeans. Clearly then they fashioned weapons and tools in steel!! before even the Japanese Samurai.
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster
Dude, what?
Tanzania is in Africa, and Mayans were South-American in origin...
Zyamaman 1 week ago
@Zyamaman RESEARCH AGAIN CLOWN. THE MAYA not the MAYANS
Raybanmonster 1 week ago
machi machi? 1:38 :) how you translate that?
burekgirl 1 month ago
very nice video! oh and I'd like to say that in the samurai era, it took about a year to make a sword, and the guy said it now takes about 3-4 months. Is it because it's now easier or they simply make it low quality (well, maybe not low quality but not as high quality as it was before)?
benoitddd42 2 months ago
sorry it was 0:18
brianthao102 2 months ago
its funny how you can't walk down the street with a Katana but at 0:20 you can see a dude with a Naginata
brianthao102 2 months ago
@ThePeda94 It is since it emphasizes on syllables. But for a person like you willing to learn, it will be a breeze.
JWelshQ91 3 months ago
her sword was a tree that swung as the planet spun
maybealover 3 months ago
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please help japan.
Most Japanese people are suffering from bias of TV broadcasting.
The most of bias is about praise of Korean culture. They report false facts
of the popularity of the Korean Culture in Japan.
One Japanese actor Takaoka tweeted this fact on twitter, and he was fired from his agent with in 5days because of his tweet.
If you want to know details ,please search below news page(not wikipedhia) by google.
"Is Japan ruled by Korea? "
highway61orz 5 months ago
good Video!
Ivane76 6 months ago
Nice video. What were the prices of the swords you saw in that shop?
Psycholistic1 6 months ago in playlist Samurai sword making
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What do you mean by that? Do the blacksmiths in Japan have a lower life expectancy than the rest of the population?
Zyamaman 6 months ago in playlist Samurai sword making
@Zyamaman
so sorry to be late! "I'm Kazuaki" is my ex-channel.
I mean ”That blacksmiths heir very small portions and most all of blacksmiths are grandpas".
AwesomeKazuaki 4 months ago
legit awesome
AsianInvasion1001 8 months ago
is it difficult to learn japanese?
ThePeda94 9 months ago
we have a samurai came from japanese era here in the phiiippines
jovanport 9 months ago
@jovanport who is it?
777Knivez 6 months ago
@jovanport so did you guys learn kendo from him ?
blackblack8888 4 months ago
how long have you known japanese?
britishairwayspilot1 9 months ago
@britishairwayspilot1 I've lived in Japan for over 15 years...I think, I lose count now...
hunyaga 9 months ago 3
@hunyaga thank you :) i am very inspired by you! i wich to learn as much Japanese as possible before i am sure that i can move there. As my life ambition is to be a pilot for ANA (All Nippon Airways) and live in Japan aswell XD Domo arigatou gozaimasu hunyaga~sensei!!
britishairwayspilot1 9 months ago
wow, 3 grand. thats a high quality sword then.
Ronald3570 10 months ago
Its sucks so much that your not allowed to carry these in public anymore with pride.
LaCosaNostra132 11 months ago
why would someone pay that much for a sword?! a 1000 katana is just as good. What matters is the blade not who made it or if it uses authentic materials for the saya and tsuka and the like. The blade of a 1000 sword is just as good as a 10000, if not, then not by much. Todays highcarbon steels is better then tamahagane. ppl are just payin to be able to say they have a "real katana".
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 The modern ink is superior to the ink of the Middle Ages. All picture of the modern painter is not more splendid than the masterpiece of the Middle Ages yet.
If you cannot understand art and tradition, you do not understand value of Katana at all.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug you can't compare ancient masterpieces with new swords. If i were to paint the mona lisa with the exact same materials and skill of Da Vinci, is it as valuable as the original? no. these swords are not soo expensive because of their artist and cultural value, but because of simple economics. they're handmade and anything handmade is ridiculously expensive, especially when every part is handmade and the materials are harder to come by.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 You say what?
New "genuine KATANA" is a handmade sword of the first-class swordsmith who trained for several years.
It is this that I said
"Japanese genuine KATANA is a work of the first-class swordsmith. It is very rude that you compare this genuine Katana with an imitation of 200 dollars."
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug when did i say anything about a 200 dollar katana being better than a handmade one? I only said that they were over priced for what they were. seems you are bitching at the wrong person.....
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 I may to say wrong person. However,shinobi and you seem to similar thought.
Your the recognition is the evidence that you do not understand what is Katana.
The price of Katana is not overprice.
You look at the website "Hitachi-Metal" about Tamahagane. And you watch facture of genuine Katana.
Or,You may understand value of 20,000 dollars at first sight if you can watch Japanese Real Katana close.
marz12aug 1 year ago
3,000 dollars are inferior to a cost price of the material of Katana even if we disregarded artistic value. Because the harness of Katana is special order product for individual Katana. Each part is first class materials. A first-class craftsman around 10 people is concerned for one Katana.
As for become to Katana-swordsmith, severe ascetic practices more than four years are required to get a swordsmith qualification. In addition, they must pass the severe test of the Japanese Government.
marz12aug 1 year ago
Furthermore, Katana which one swordsmith puts on sale for one year is only 2~7. Katana-swordsmith who having the license in Japan is around 300 people now. However, swordsmith producing Katana will be around 100 people.
Katana is not a "just a steel sword". real Japanese Katana is one of most respected art of Japan."the material selected carefully" and "first class swordsmith" and "first class craftsmen" spend several months. cannot you understand it?
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug i do not understand what is katana? sure i do, its a really sharp piece of steel, nothing more nothing less. its artistic and symbolic value are completely dependent on the individual. I see a tool, you see something more. its like having two identical cars, but one has a nicer interior. In the end they'll both do the same job, one will just be significantly cheaper. Perhaps its not that i dont understand its value, but that you value it too much.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 There are a lot of collectors of Katana all over the world. They know a historic meaning of individual Katana. And they really inspect genuine Katana from various points of view. They buy and sell it at "an appropriate price". I feel really annoying that you tell about Katana.
marz12aug 1 year ago
Are you aware of your remark?
"I do not have knowledge of Katana. Therefore I think that Katana is too expensive."
mean "I am ignorant. And I am a know-it-all".
Genuine article Katana is not a simple "tool".
The person who cannot understand value of Katana please ignore Katana.
If there is a cheap Western sword, you will be satisfied.
A "West arms lovers group" do a negative campaign in every video of Katana. I see you like them.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug there are a lot of collectors out there for a lot of things. some ppl pay tens of thousands of dollars for paintings that are nothing more than random splashes of paint on a canvas. so i guess that makes them that valuable? hey if some ppl feel that a sword is worth $20000, thats their problem, if they got the cash to burn, have at it. i only said that I don't think they are worth it.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 The minimum matter to become genuine Katana smith is a pass of severe training more than four years and the test of Japanese Government.
Furthermore, severer study and talent are necessary so that their "art" is treated in a market. And, as for Katana trade in Japan, the appraisal of "The Society for Preservation of Japanese Art Swords" is published.
Genuine Katana is done quality control of so thoroughly.
marz12aug 1 year ago
I do not compare Katana with a Western sword.
However, "bring it up of the swordsmith and protection of the traditional manufacturing method"; "reliability of a guarantee of quality and the judgment" from such a point of view, current West sword cannot but be said to be inferior to reliability in the market.
and a Katana that not attached appraisal is treated cheaply like in this video.
marz12aug 1 year ago
The reliable quality is traded with a high price. Because it is protected reliability strictly, Katana is expensive. West sword will be the sword which is splendid like Katana.West sword should be high price like Katana if West sword trusted that succeeds to quality and tradition.
If a producer neglects fair quality control and maintenance of the artistry, the folkcraft will be expelled by a cheap "tool". like your mind.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12augI feel really annoyed that you seem to feel you have some sort of obligation to attack and call "ignorant" everyone who isn't in awe of a katana like you. "cheap western sword" , LMAO and you call me ignorant?! You hold the katana on a pedestal and talk down to all other swords, your your so full of your own shit! ohh and their are just as many " katana lovers" talking shit on vids about western swords. I like katanas and i like european swords, neither are worth 20000.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 The meaning of "a cheap Western sword" is
"You criticize Katana of 20,000 dollars, In other words you will be satisfied with cheap non-Katana."
I do not make a fool of a Western sword.
I say the person who did not distinction "art" and "cheap".
marz12aug 1 year ago
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug english is definitely not your first language is it? Half of what you said doesn't make much sense. reliability? Expensive katana are nothing more than display pieces, when will you ever have to use it? and if so, you definitely wont push its limits for fear of damaging your expensive sword, which defeats the purpose of having the damn thing. I said earlier that the reason they were priced so high were economic, so your only telling me something i already know.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 Katana of "the genuine article" is a thing for experts.
The F-1 car is not made to run by the child who does not have a driver's license.
I do not talk about the toy which an amateur swings for fun. You should fall silent so that you do not disgrace yourself more than this.
In addition,A person who practices Iaido or Kobudo to use genuine Katana will anger for your remark.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug so what I'm saying is YES they cost that much, but they ARE NOT worth it. 10,000, 20,000, or more for a piece of steel. you can go on and on about tradition, history, symbolism, art , etc etc, but at the end of the day its still just a piece of steel. I'd rather spend 1000 to 3000 for a high carbon blade katana, with relatively cheap furnishings, than 20000 for an "authentic katana". Especially since they would perform similarly.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
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marz12aug 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 I am a Japanese. I write English for your stupid remark.
A senior of Iaido really uses genuine Katana. A beginner who break Katana uses a replica for exercises. 3,000 dollars are right prices of Katana for "beginner"exercises of Iaido. In the first place genuine Katana is NOT FOR AMATEUR like you.
Do not you understand such a thing, too?
You confess that you are ignorant.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug Stupid remark? me thinking that a stupid sword shouldn't cost 20000 is stupid? so my opinion is different than yours, so what? why do you feel zoo offended that i don't think they're worth it? explain how a beginner breaks a 3000 dollar sword. what are they striking with it, because whatever it is im sure a "genuine" katana wouldn't handle it any different. lol the car reference is really not appropriate, because a genuine katana is not superior to the carbon steel versions.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
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marz12aug 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 You do not intend to look at the site that I showed. And you are the true ignorance that even proper how to handle Katana does not know. The appropriate training of the iaido never break Katana.
Thus you will use Katana to be under random handling.
A person like you may not understand a genuine article.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug yeah i went to the website, just a bunch of stuff about metal. Im not going to bother myself by searching through it. you want me to read something, send me the right link. You've yet to answer my question, on exactly how a "genuine" katana is superior to high carbon version. Break katana in iaido? how do you break your sword by drawing it? lol
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01The iaido teaches a method of appropriate Tameshigiri. You will treat Katana in a disorderly manner for fun. An imitation is surely suitable for a person like you.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug so you copy and pasted a whole article : /? you do realize that doesn't help you prove anything, right. iT just described the characteristics of tamahagane, it in no way described a way i which it was superior to high carbon steel. perhaps an imitation is better suitable for me, but like i said, you've yet to prove how the genuine katana are better. I don't see why someone would need a 20000 dollar sword for appropriate tameshigiri.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01This article shows that the manufacturing method of tamahagane and Katana is related closely.
Genuine Katana is made with the manufacturing method to draw a characteristic of Tamahagane to the maximum. HitachMetal sells steel materials for high-quality knives in the knife makers in the world by applying the manufacturing method of tamahagane.
marz12aug 1 year ago
"Modern high carbon steel" may not be of better quality than Tamahagane yet. The hardness of Tamahagane is over HRC61-65. This is the highest grade in a category of "carbon steel for blades".
In other words the hardness of Tamahagane is more than high-speed steel.Thus what is the maker of your sword? show evidence that Your sword superior to genuine Katan.
By the way, Katana of "coldsteel" is 1055steel. Do you understand a meaning of 1055steel?lol
marz12aug 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01
advise for you; don't bother to argue fanboys. It's like arguing over religion. Maybe you already know this by now but anyway; so called genuine jap. swords are made by a restricted number of smiths and also the monthly output of blades is limited by law. That means that the potential clientele is quite limited and they simply wouldn't buy such an expensive product if it's not made with trad.Tamahagane. That's all, it's not better than modern high performance steel. 90% mythos
kunstsein 9 months ago
@kunstsein yeah thats why i stopped arguing. he wasn't even listening, just going on and on about "genuine article" and how im ignorant. yeah i agree, modern steels are superior to tamahagane but some ppl just don't get it into their heads. i knew about the limited production, but failed to connect it to the the whole supply and demand thing.
KrimzonKnight01 9 months ago
@marz12augtherethere i actually bothered to read it, and again, so what? you gave me a link that only describes how katana are made. I already knew most of that. modern high carbon steel is better. lol i find it fascinating how obsessed you are with these swords.
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 The item of "Tamahagane and Japanese sword" which I pointed out writes a characteristic of Tamahangane. You would merely look at the page of "japanese sword".
marz12aug 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 "Tama-hagane is steel with a carbon content of 1% to 1.5% and has the chemical composition best suited for edged tools. The carbon content of sage-hagane is approximately 0.7%, while that of knife steel is 0.1% to 0.3%. Their compositions make them exceedingly malleable. The amount of chemical impurities present with all these types of steel is extremely low; one can say that they are particularly pure elements for use as steel material."
marz12aug 1 year ago
When compared with modern-day steel, the older steel types possess the unique characteristic of being rich in oxygen. For this reason, there are many oxidized inclusions in the portion of iron slag (the non-metal inclusion) found in the steel. The oxidized inclusions are extremely soft compared to the inclusions found in normal steel. They are easily stretched, and through repeated smelting become finely dispersed and impervious to damage.
marz12aug 1 year ago
While non-metal inclusions in normal steel are undesirable, the inclusions that are widely dispersed in Japanese steel are a positive factor that reproduces natural elements through repeated smeltings. In this sense, compared to modern steel it is possible to say that wako (Japanese steel) contains extremely pure natural elements.
marz12aug 1 year ago
"Given that the natural elements in wako (Japanese steel manufacturing through tatara iron working, or tama-hagane) are extremely pure, it possess the following characteristics:It can be easily forge welded.
It can be hardened through heating, does not bend, and is sturdy.
Given that it is easily polished, good cutting edges can be produced.
It does not rust easily.
Beautiful tempering patterns can be created on Nihonto because the steel's baking range appears clearly."
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug i never said anything about tatami mats?
KrimzonKnight01 1 year ago
Katana isn't normal steel piece. Search this in Google; "Hitachi-Metal,Tamahagane and Japanes sword."
performance of your Katana? Tameshigiri is not a performance of "swords".
Iaido-ka can cut TatamiMat with any kind of sword. Because sword is slash weapon. An appropriate incidence angle can cut Tatamimat with the cheap sword.
Tameshigiri is only one of the tests of the movement of "user".
marz12aug 1 year ago
@KrimzonKnight01 you sayt hat,"under $200 that are actualy better made than some of the more expensive katana swords i have." Do you think that value of Katana is only "forged"?
if you think so,You do not understand value of Katana. You understand the difference of da Vinci and imitation. However, you said that your 200$ blade is better than a genuine sword.
marz12aug 1 year ago
It is hard to save the talkative ignorance
marz12aug 1 year ago 7
i'm gonna go to japan to make one lol learn from the master ^^ 3month>>?? mine maybe 5 years to learn how to make an ok katana ^^
RottenPudding 1 year ago
I heared nobody make genuine (old) katana coz they don have technique.
abbhuse 1 year ago
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@abbhuse Not really. There's not any kind of super secret technique. That's myth. Like all craftsmen, they each had their own way of doing things, but it was more or less the same basic thing. You can make a sword in a factory and get similar results.
Cainus44 1 year ago
You cant buy Katana, it is a gift of honour , you cannot buy honour
vincentvalentinedark 1 year ago
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Cainus44 1 year ago
the most important thing of "Samurai" is not only their looks or sword, armor whatever you can see but their spirit. Please read "Bushido" written by Inazo Nitobe.
NihonjinX 1 year ago
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@NihonjinX Bushido was Imperial Japanese propaganda. Real Samurai were mercenaries whose loyalty ran as deep as their lord's pocket.
Cainus44 1 year ago
Man those girls are Hot!!!
paul08ere 1 year ago
Can u tell me how much a Katana cost?
zewenwu 1 year ago
@zewenwu in the movie there was mentioned that the price was 3000$. But probably that katana was rare and very high quality. In the place where i live (Poland) You can buy swords for fighting and for decoration. Katana for decoration is rathjer cheap - 60 zlotys (20$). katana for training costs over 120 zlotys (40$) and is lower quality than katana for real fighting against a man with another sword. So the type of katana for fighting costs at least 1800 zlotys (600$). In USA pices are equal.
simonlapa 1 year ago
@zewenwu the one i want to get which is £150 because its not amazing but its not shit
either so its good for one that will last and nod brake like cheap tacky ones
miniman631 1 year ago
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@zewenwu $600 or so from Cold Steel. Most Cold Steel stuff is pretty decent.
Cainus44 1 year ago
my uncule has a sword from japan
demonfox560 1 year ago
Japanese swords are my second favorite sword types. My all time favorite swords are those of Indonesia like the Golok or the Panang.
DaddyWarbucks452 1 year ago
a viking would smash a samurai
MrBuddyisreal 1 year ago
@MrBuddyisreal they had an episode about that in deadliest warrior! the samurai won
Dylanman99 1 year ago
@Dylanman99 they didnt do accurate testing they do the tests for show not accuracy
MrBuddyisreal 1 year ago
@MrBuddyisreal but a ninja can assassin viking
CDR472 1 year ago
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DaveTheSamurai 1 year ago
@MrBuddyisreal
haha dreamer...
GeneSimmons1994 1 year ago
@GeneSimmons1994 haha bitch
MrBuddyisreal 1 year ago
@MrBuddyisreal
hard words from a fag
GeneSimmons1994 1 year ago
@GeneSimmons1994 ur cool
MrBuddyisreal 1 year ago
I would pee in my pants if just ONE SAMURAI charged at me wearing his face mask and armour.
MoonlightSonata69 1 year ago
tamahagame ISNT IRON
after the treatment it becomes steel....
and WHAT IN THE HELL WERE THE HELMETS? HORNS?
leoniizu 1 year ago
日本の刀は３０万じゃあ買えないと思うがな・・・レプリカでなんとか。職人が作る者だと百万越えはあたりまえ。
nihonn0125 1 year ago
iron or steel?
Zulkarnayn 1 year ago
@Zulkarnayn steel.
Xonly1kaiX 1 year ago
@Xonly1kaiX then something is wrong with the subtitle (hopefully!)
Zulkarnayn 1 year ago
@Zulkarnayn yh, it doesn't say what it's made out of. I just know for a fact that it's steel.
Xonly1kaiX 1 year ago
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lafumedo 1 year ago
Cheat the gaijin? ;) real Katana cost more than a middleclass car, doesn't it?
yamamoto3000 1 year ago
i´ve got a katana for 4.200,- euro! its handmade of a japanese and was forged 9-10 times. It´s da best ;-D
Matzegohr 1 year ago
@Matzegohr The katana of The Highlander is forged over 200 times, itttssss legendary. Can u top dat? XD
yamamoto3000 1 year ago
i reacently bort a japanese sword from japan .and is was not cheap 480.0000 yen.but its is the best sword eva
numnumnum08 1 year ago
As I can recall the genuine katanas are classified as inestimable heritage objects and with no means they can be get out of Japan. Anyway most of them belong to private collectors who I very much doubt they'd sell them, legally or other ways...swords sold in shops (tourists) are like key-rings, something to get home and hang over the fridge. A simple man can't touch the classic made swords.
iulianbadarau 1 year ago
IF I WIN THE LOTTERY ...JAPAN IS A PLACE I WANT VERY MUCH TO GO ....AND THATSHOP WILL BE THE FIRST PLACE.....FOR CERTAIN
MATASEREANU 1 year ago
I feel like crying.... those swords were so beautiful.....I want to forge one though.
naugotwolf 1 year ago 2
The cheapest TRUE katana you´ll ever find will cost you about 5000 dollars. There are a few about 300 years old that have tasted human blood that could cost more than 50,000 dollars.
Wildzide00 1 year ago
Nice video, beautiful swords, cute young ladies :-)
...but the amount of very self-confident but totally ignorant comments here is simply astounding ;-)
Statek63 1 year ago
lol i wuz walking in America with a katana and the cops didn't care. I walked right pasted them XD.
1ben1245 1 year ago
it takes over a month to forge a genuine Katana
MikaelDryden 1 year ago
There was a really good PBS program that showed the step by step process of a traditional craftsman making a Katana (which took over three months) Its a long process, and the vast majority of Katanas people have are imitations, not hand made. They demonstrated the hand made sword on thick bamboo shoots, which most swords could not cut through in a single clean stroke. This sword though went right through two big shoots in one swipe that made a perfect cut with very little splintering. Awesome
pkart7 1 year ago
Awesome!
Tanveer99s 1 year ago
Then Katana is not "sword for cut an steel-armor".
At the time of "Japanese invasion of the Mongolian" of the 13century, the "leather armor" of the Mongolian was cut off by Katana. this description was exaggerated in Europe and America.
Katana is not a main weapon in the battlefield.
Katana used for the situation that Yumi or yari is not usable.
By the way, there are many variations in Samurai-Armor. I seem to be considerably misunderstood about the Japanese armor in Europe and America.
marz12aug 1 year ago 4
@marz12aug
I'm not sure what you mean by the "leather armour" being "cut off" by katana, but many katana had their tips broken off from cutting at Mongolian armour. It was an important wake-up call that they needed to improve their forging techniques.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris Are the grounds of your remark DiscoveryChannel?
I watched the program.
Because this program was assumed that would explain the history of Katana in a short time,they spread much misunderstanding.
Actually such a story is not known in Japan.
The forging technology of the Japanese sword developed at the North Japan conquest time(8~11 century).
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
On the contrary, Katana to be opposed to Mongolia armor was made more thinly than conventional Katana. It is the result that assigned a focus to the cutting of the leather armor.
This is common to then Katana.
Rather such thin Katana became outdated because a Japanese armor used many steel after14c.
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
@marz12aug
The katana has never been designed to cut any sort of armour at all. And to cut leather you certainly don't want THIN blades, you want THICK ones. Thinner blades would be more suitable to metal armours, as you don't want to penetrate the armour, but drive the point into unarmoured parts. Some swords can penetrate maille in a thrust, though, and those swords have a particularly acute point.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris The reason why I took a TV program is that I make a cynical remark on the poorness of grounds about Japan of the Westerner.
Katana of the time when the Kamakura Shogunate expected an attack of Mongolia is really thin. And those thin katana became outdated in the 14th century.
This is proved by the remains.
And the testimony that "Katana cut an armor of Mongolia" is a report of Mongolia force.
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
@Gilmaris Then there is the armor of the Mongolia soldier at the time of the Mongolian Invasions in the Hakata museum.
It is the light leather armor not a heavy armor.
they don't use the same armor in a Central Europe/asia plain and the Sea of Japan. This is proved with remains, too.
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
@marz12aug
Do not use History Channel as a source. That's popular history, focusing on good stories and myths rather than facts.
If you listen to History Channel, they'll tell you that the katana helped fight off the Mongols, whereas the fact remains that the katana faired poorly against the heavily armoured Mongols, and the first invasion in particular was an embarrassing affair for the Japanese as they would have been completely overrun if not for the Kamikaze and internal conflict.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris This is wrong, too.
in the first invasion ,Samurai which fought against Mongolia force was 5,000 country corps stationed in the Gulf of Hakata accidentally.
There was the main force of the Japanese forces in inland "Dazaifu".
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
And Mongolia force withdrew because they exhausted all arrows for a local unit.
And the first invasion did not have Kamikaze. The fleet of Mongolia ran aground in the vicinity of merely Korea. This is by report of Mongolia force, too.
Kamikaze was exaggerated to emphasize a trace of God. You know only an old-fashioned theory.
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
The study of "the Mongolian Invasions of japan" advances steadily in Japan.
Real progress became clear in detail by collating Mongolia and Korean documents with Japanese historical materials.
However, still misunderstood that old-fashioned "myth" with "historical fact" in Europe and America.
Because Japanese history is minor for Westerners. In addition, there are many people who abuse the myth to diminish Samurai and Katana.
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
when zombie hits i think i know where to go...
SpiningChocolate 1 year ago
@marz12aug 150 dollars is just to look pretty a 250 dollar katana is real but only meant to cut soft material $1400 katana is use for cutting through cut mats which have a bamboo center to act as human bone but cant cut samurai armor then there is my sword which put me back $2,987 which can cut through the samurai armor it was made by a family that still makes them as they did in the past no modern tech to assist in. but you are 100% percent correct in all your statements
armyleoreaper 1 year ago
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OHWADAKUNAI 1 year ago
@armyleoreaper I do not connect ability for cutting with a price.
Katana of the antique increases historic value and artistic value and value of Samurai who owned those sword.
Katana of modan day increases
artistic value and value of the succession of the traditional manufacturing method and varue of rare material.
The owner of genuine Katana must know them.
marz12aug 1 year ago
For example, it is not allowed for any kind of rich person to destroy a famous work of art.
As for the genuine sword, the latest attention is necessary for the safekeeping among other things.
and the value of the people who did not neglect management for several hundred years may be included in your Katana.
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
By the way, do you think that value has the electrophone which made in China is more than the violin of Stradivarius?
marz12aug 1 year ago 2
@dig6dog Perhaps you watched only an element of Tamahagane. However, it is refined by the manufacturing method of Katana. A characteristic of Tamahagane is essential to it.
Look "tale of Tatara" in Hitachi Metal official website.
marz12aug 1 year ago 4
In the first place you had better move to Gun's video if you cannot find value of traditional artifact.
marz12aug 1 year ago 4
today, a blade like the praying mantis by paul chen is possibly the best katana you can buy, and its $1400. hand made howard clark L6 blades are $3000 plus the fittings, and so on, there are many reputable producers that make similiar blades. (take a look at sword buyer's guide); point is, if you want entertainment,you can't make a real caveman painting in dinosaur blood with $300, but you can have a plasma tv. it's same for katanas.
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog BTW,The intention of my remark is,
"Because even Tamahagane is a terrible high price, {$300 traditional Katana} is impossible". "
As a matter of course, the prominent skill of the swordsmith should be most estimated.
And the person who can find much value of Katana that made by ancient manufacturing method will buy genuine Katana.
The person who cannot understand the value will buy a sword of 300 dollars.
It is only it.
marz12aug 1 year ago 5
@dig6dog
Last I checked (which is a while ago), a fully polished and fitted Howard Clark L6 went for something like 6000 USD. As far as durability goes, I suppose L6 blades are as good as it gets, but they rust very easily and need vigilant maintainance.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
now, chinese smiths often produce sloppy work, not because they are incompetent, but to save time. however, there are some very nice blades out there, and if you get a chinese made katana that has proper heat treatement, proper blade geometry and that has been well fitted, it will also have been made with superior steel, and in the end superior to a tamahagane sword; at the moment, L6 is the best steel a sword can be made out of, and some reputable chinese smiths use it, but its not *cheap*.
dig6dog 1 year ago
japanese smiths do not work with modern steel because they are traditionalists and quite backwards in their approach to technology. also, their profession is highly regarded in japan and the prices they ask are very high in a nation where the economy is very pricey. also, they produce less blades per year as they do not use modern methods. the chinese on the other hand, work quickly and buy mass-produced steel billets, keeping the costs extremely low. not that this billets are of excellent steel
dig6dog 1 year ago
ok, to clarify things up a bit .. katanas that cost $300 are made in china, with superior materials, but inferior blade geometry. tamahagane is rubbish, but the smiths that work with it are very skilled. however, a proper blade such as a paul chen praying mantis is superior as a weapon to any japanese tamahagane blade.
the sword's fittings, on the other hand, are almost always superior on japanese blades. now the question may be, why do japanese smiths work with tamahagane ?
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog
Tamahagane is anything but "crap", what you are thinking of is the iron from which tamahagane is made. Tamahagane is the purified product.
Modern Japanese smiths also use modern equipment, but Japanese law ties their hands as to how effective they can be. They are required by law to make no more than one blade per month, in order to ensure proper quality. Which gives smiths no great incentive to invest in modern equipment, as traditional methods can easily make one sword per month.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
Vary nice i wish i was there really lucky
Katana920 1 year ago
i wanna do kendo :(
hamsterhairs 1 year ago
what a nice shop,
mrgamer81 1 year ago
驚嘆に値する剣と侍よろいかぶと
NightpredatorX 1 year ago
Hi guy,
you're so lucky to go in Tozando Shop, It's my dream to go in because I love samurai sword. So, I am an ancient iaido student, I can't practize iaido because I haven't enougth time to go at my dojo, so, I continue to practise myself (after 2 years of practise). I Have ordered an iaito sword, and i am waiting for! I believe that my future sword will be a beautiful master piece! And I will practice iaido in september, I hope!
Tozando is the best! (l)
LadyDragonne 1 year ago
thanks for the translation.
fresh66 2 years ago
cool vid.
so the only way to get one of the swords is to have it shipped to you?
oldsmanguy 2 years ago
i have a genuine katana
My1Other1Account 2 years ago
you wouldnt even use it to cut because its so expensive.
if you wanna cut stuff get a cheap sword.
if you just want a sword for no reason and hang it to show off. get the real deal.
DunkableDave 2 years ago
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SouthernSerpent 2 years ago
The cheap sword made in China is not genuine Katana.
Tamahagane is very expensive. It is impossible to make genuine Katana with 350 dollars.
You seem to want to believe your imitation Katana.
marz12aug 2 years ago 18
An imitation about Japan spreads over the North America. The 80% of "sushi" of North America is not japanese sushi. It is Korean food copied from sushi.
It is a toy made in China of almost Katana in North America.
250 dollars!?
You do not understand how expensive Tamahagane is.
marz12aug 2 years ago 32
@marz12aug THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dodgingaces 1 year ago
@marz12aug would a real one cost $3000?
johhnyfasnazzy 1 year ago
@johhnyfasnazzy $3,000 Katana are the lowest rank.
Katana which is cheaper than $3,000 is very likely to be an imitation or the defect product.
Or may be "Gunto" that mass-produced at the time of WW2.
The price level of Japanese Katana is about $10,000.
The sword which one swordsmith produces in the year is less than 10.
$10,000 are not so high price by any means.
BTW,Katana of the well-known swordsmith is $20000~$50,000.
marz12aug 1 year ago 10
@marz12aug I seriously doubt there's any real difference in quality of the product, considering both of them are little more than souvenirs anyway.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@marz12aug the price of the sword is meaningless it is how the sword is made that matters, ive seen plenty of real swords that are hand forged and even folded for under $200 that are actualy better made than some of the more expensive katana swords i have.
shinobiwarrior1990 1 year ago
@shinobiwarrior1990 You do not know a characteristic of Katana and Tamahagane. Therefore you can say such a silly talk. The reason why Katana is estimated highly is technology to balance sharpness and toughness by putting high carbon steel and low carbon steel together. Furthermore, exact abrasion and exquisite temperature control make Katana a work of art of tens of thousands of dollars. As for you, the work of art is not distinguished from a toy, too.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug how could you possibly tell me what i know and what i do not know, you dont even know who i am, it is unwise to speak of someone that you do not know. As for distinguishing from a toy and real sword, ill have you know that every single katana i have is a real sword, all can easily perform tameshigiri.
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marz12aug 1 year ago
@shinobiwarrior1990 Nonsense.
Any kind of sword is can doing tameshigiri ordinary. Because sword is tool for cutting humanbody.
tameshigiri is not a test for "swords".For example, I can make hit with my cheap baseball bat. If I say "my bat is more superior than professional baseball player's bat. Because my bat can make many hits!", I will be surely treated like an eccentric.
marz12aug 1 year ago
"My watch that made in China is superior to a watch of Rolex. Because my watch tells time."
"My Hyundai is more splendid than Ferrari. Because my car can go for a drive."
"My shoes 1 dollar are better than shoes of Ferragamo. Because my shoes are easy to walk."
"My Katana of 200 dollars is more splendid than genuine Katana. Because my Katana can cut tatamimat!."
wonderful joke.
marz12aug 1 year ago
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@marz12aug Japanese copied sushi dumbass
wefdeas 1 year ago
@marz12aug Japan copied Korea not the other way around
wefdeas 1 year ago
@wefdeas I know this is Korean mind.Korean say sushi is Korean food,Ninja is Korean,Katana is Korean,Japanese all cultuer is korean.and Korean insist it on youtube in a lot of videos.
BTW England food copied French food? NoWay!
Japan was trade with china and other asian country directry since ancent time.
Korean don't know this fact.
marz12aug 1 year ago 13
@marz12aug tamahagane would be cheap if it was produced industrialy, but it's not since its actually a pretty shitty steel. the whole process of traditional smelting was introduced to purify it and to allow the smiths to work with an inferior product. any modern steel is superior to tamahagane, even 1080 steel, and when compared to T10, or L6, it just becomes worthless. the only reason a traditional katana is expensive is the ridiculous prices that japanese craftsmen expect to be paid.
dig6dog 1 year ago
@marz12aug when you think about it, tamahagane is pretty much just 2% carbonsteel with a fancy name, I'm sure you can get it for that price by an american blacksmith.
Verradonairun 1 year ago
@Verradonairun Tamahagane is steel that smaller particle reduced to its elements at low temperature not just steel.
then Tamahagane has the other various characteristics. In addition, those fine particles give Katana artistic value. Those characteristics were enabled by the rare iron oxide sand. If you are satisfied with a sword made in U.S.A., it is the best choice for you. By the way, the person knowing the value of the first-class masterpiece will not be satisfied with a printed imitation.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug Personally I think it is most likely that even collectors aren't able to tell the difference. I myself, care more about a swords quality, than the historical value of it, but that's just me, of course. Do not take offense ;-)
Verradonairun 1 year ago
@Verradonairun If there is the experience that you watched genuine Katana, you should be able to distinguish an imitation from a genuine Katana immediately. There is the glitter of a delicate particle called "Nie" or "Waki" in genuine Katana.
In addition, the artistry of sword blade and Hamon is totally different, too. In addition, genuine Katana polished very delicately,several week by genuine Katana polisher. therefore, Katana is evaluated because of completeness without compromise.
marz12aug 1 year ago
@marz12aug Your knowledge about the katana is obviously superior to mine, so I'll have to back off. :)
Verradonairun 1 year ago
@marz12aug Personally, I don't think that even collectors are able to tell the difference. Do not take offense ;-)
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RaiAntou 1 year ago
@marz12aug I wish there was more peace. To explain what is and whats greek. The soul has many treasure, but reveal it in lessures.
Brianjacob5050 1 year ago
@marz12aug I recently made one out of the Leaf Spring off a truck. See knivesbyhand website. It is not for sale. It is not very pretty with a simple rose wood handle. I am testing it this week by hacking at old tires to see if it can withstand the punishment. It is by no means equal to a genuine Katana.