JamesWhite unable to answer one simple question.

[PoitierFrance]

You apply the laws of mathematics and physics on God. To do so will not only make trinity appear contradictory but also The rest of his attributes.

[souljah85]

@pankallli

It's only contrary if you put God in the same box as only humans. Humans must obey the laws God set before us. But if He so desires, He can limit Himself yet still have the fullness of Himself in a fully human body. What you call contradictory in this context is a miracle. And isn't God capable of miracles? Again try to realize that telling God what He can and can't do is just silly. And there is simply no argument for that.

[souljah85]

How was the question not answered? The caller was putting limits on God. To put it into perspective the caller became (the authority) which in his mind was his own god and saying what the actual authority (true God) can and can't do. Who of us humans can tell God what He can and can't do? If God so desired to be fully man and fully God in one body, who can tell Him that He can't do that or that it's not possible? You tell God it's not possible? Silly.

[1MoreMuslim]

@souljah85 Can God become a liar and righteous at the same time? NO! you are silly.

" The caller was putting limits on God."

" He can limit Himself yet still have the fullness of Himself in a fully human body."

You see , it's not the caller who limits God, it's you who say that. Since You say that God limited himself, then the caller have full right to ask where exactly the Divine is confined in the human body.

[souljah85]

@1MoreMuslim You see, you are thinking with knowledge that comes with humanity and trying to apply your own rationality as if God works or moves how you would. God however, warns against such silliness. Isaiah 55:8 says "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD." You don't have the right to limit God and demand an answer that God Himself has not fully explained nor, does he have to for us to know what He has revealed to us. Learn the definition of faith

[1MoreMuslim]

@souljah85  that means that you won't recognize a contradiction if it appears in the Bible, because you have faith! The basis of faith is rational. If we are to believe whatever nonsense, we would have no basis to prove anything wrong from anything false. why don't you have faith in Zeus?

[souljah85]

@1MoreMuslim And another thing, the title of the video is misleading. Just because you do not accept the answer does not mean the question was not answered. I wonder why it is you are purposely being deceitful. That alone shows your motives and takes away all credibility you could have. Shame on you.

[1MoreMuslim]

@souljah85 could you rephrase the answer for me please.?

[izlamiztruth]

lol

[PoitierFrance]

I don't get why you title it as "unable to answer a simple question". I want to ask you if the quran is the kalamulllah, which is an attribute of his essence, where can we in the original mus'haf see the divine kalam. The incarnation is certinaly a mystery. But James still gave a very good explanation when he stated that "the second person of the trinity took on human flesh" showing you have the divinity already there before the incarnation, and then incarnated in jesus.

[1MoreMuslim]

@PoitierFrance Sorry Dr White didn't provide any explanation or even attempt to answer the caller's question: Where is the divinity of the Son in Jesus. James showed how a christian should have blind faith about what is being said in the Bible ( They have crucified the Lord of Glory) which answers nothing. About the Quran, the book that we hold in our hand is just ink and paper.

[PoitierFrance]

@1MoreMuslim What you asking is this, and the caller is asking the same thing, that in the same way we are able to see the physical human body of Jesus, you know his body shape, his eyes, his face etc etc we, should also be able to see the divine nature, God himself.It's not like you have a human jesus at his front body and a divine jesus at his backbody, or that if you cut his body you find a divine entity inside. This is however how you and the caller understands it.

[1MoreMuslim]

@PoitierFrance

"It's not like you have a human jesus at his front body and a divine jesus at his backbody, or that if you cut his body you find a divine entity inside."

The problem with Christians , is that they deny the premise without giving any affirmative statement. You simply say, it's not like that . OK then HOW?

[PoitierFrance]

@1MoreMuslim

Ok so now you know how it is NOT like. That is good. You belive in God who is All-Hearing. You know he is All-Hearing, but you do not know HOW he can hear so many people at the same time. But at the sime time you do know HOW he does not hear, for example you know he does not hear as humans hear, whith an ear and organs etc etc. My point is, you're asking of something that is beyond our understanding. We should not expect to understand the nature of God fully.

[Danny2Lisa]

Is this caller able to use rational thought? White answers the question over and over. The caller keeps asking the question with the presupposition that God cannot add the fullness of what a man is to Himself. This assumes that God cannot do something that is logically possible within His creation. God does not become a man (as in losing His deity), but adds manhood to Himself. What would be illogical is for man to take on eternal deity. This caller just doesn't get it.

[1MoreMuslim]

@Danny2Lisa Ok. you can use rational thought ? If Jesus has a human Soul and a human Body , where is the divinity? If I tell you , the chair that you are sitting on is fully Divine, can you prove me wrong?

[Danny2Lisa]

@1MoreMuslim You're falling into the same trap the caller made. And your question is a non-sense question. Jesus Himself claimed to be God and yet also lived as a 100% man. He was like us in every way. "Where is the divinity?" I already answered that in the first post, so did White. Man is finite, yes? God is not, right? The infinite God taking on finite man does not deplete His deity, but He adds to Himself complete manhood upon His infinite state. Is the manhood eternal, no. cont...

[1MoreMuslim]

@Danny2Lisa

"The infinite God taking on finite man does not deplete His deity, but He adds to Himself complete manhood upon His infinite state"

OK, now you explain to me what Did God emptied himself from? If he emptied himself from anything, how can he still be 100 Fully God?

If his deity was never depleted ( which contradicts the Emptying), how then Jesus supposedly 100% God , became partly ignorant? Good luck answering those.

[Danny2Lisa]

@1MoreMuslim That is known as the kenosis theory. No one actually believed that until the 1800's. Mainly because the context contradicts the assertion that Jesus emptied Himself of His deity. Read the immediate context of v.5-8, and you'll see that He emptied Himself by taking on the role of a servant when He took on the likeness of His finite creatures. This was to show that God humbled Himself to save us. He wants us to receive His gift of eternal life. Not work for it. He will get the glory

[1MoreMuslim]

@Danny2Lisa That is not merely a theory, Jesus doesn't know when he will come back. What I call theories: Trinity, Hypostatic Union. These are theories trying to erase the apparent contradictions in the Bible. Jesus tried to heal a man, he failed once he had to do it second time. Do you believe in a God who fails in the first attempt?

[Danny2Lisa]

@1MoreMuslim So it is an issue of his humility not lessening His divine attributes. The text does not explicitly state that He lost any of His deity. The context (con=with text=the passage in question) of Philippians 2:7 proves this.

[1MoreMuslim]

@Danny2Lisa There is an explicit text which confirms that Jesus didn't have at least one divine attribute while on earth: Glory.

[Danny2Lisa]

@1MoreMuslim "None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." 1 Corinthians 2:8

[1MoreMuslim]

@Danny2Lisa The Lord of Glory means nothing:

1 Sam 4:21

She named the boy Ichabod, saying, “The Glory has departed from Israel”. Where is the Divinity of Israel?

Psalm 3:3

New International Version (NIV) 3 But you, LORD, are a shield around me, my glory, the One who lifts my head high.

[Danny2Lisa]

Cont. But His resurrection made His humanity incorruptible. Adding to Himself a union with His creation by taking on 100% flesh is completely within the bounds of His ability and power. So 1) His manhood is not depleted by His deity (saying otherwise would assume that man or creation is greater than God) and 2) His deity remains in tact while possessing manhood. He was and is both 100% God and 100% man. The Word of God expresses this in detail. Read the Injil to see for yourself.

[psychlopes1976]

OK, you know what? I'm going to delete all my comments... lool

[1MoreMuslim]

@psychlopes1976 I already saw read them. White would never use the Milkshake analogy, that would be a heresy. The Hypostatic Union is an imagination and self contradictory. Read the full article on my blog.

[psychlopes1976]

@1MoreMuslim - Of course I knew you would read them, because even when I delete them they stay in your inbox. I just thought my thoughts were irrelevant :) The guy is full of B.S. it doesn't matter whether Christians see that or not.

[1MoreMuslim]

@psychlopes1976 Dr White didn't say " we can't understand it because we're limited" , he is too arrogant to admit that. Can you show me where is the answer given by White?

[GreekMuslimEldin]

Inconsistency upon inconsistency!