Orrin Hatch is a hypocrit on the health care issue. I mean the man sponsored S-CHIP and then he talks about the unconstitutionality of Obamacare? At least stay conservatively consistent, and then people like Bernie Sanders won't be able to lay the samckdown on you.
nameless faceless beurocrats or nameless faceless CEOs?....hmmm...it seems to me that government are at least more accountable...and you get a vote on government.
@Zendout1 Why? because he puts American people above American Corporations, as opposed to the opposite of Hatch? Why are you so devoted to the middle class demise?
The worst healthcare bureaucrats are the feds??? Has this Orrin Hatch shit head ever had to deal with United? Or any of the other private healthcare companies that deny coverage???
God I love Bernie Sanders. All politicians are supposed to be like Bernie Sanders, they are supposed to put US, the people, first, not PACs, not party lines, not kick backs, US. Bernie is the last of a long dead breed unfortunately
I agree with Sanders except for the comparison with other industrialized countries in terms of outcomes and cost. You can't compare the U.S. with Norway both because of size and diversity which we all know of course is a weakness. Anyway Hatch is an ignorant, lying or delusional SOB
Hatch is a dried up asshole, rich from being in the senate from1976!!!!! He has been involved in corruption and graft since JIMMY CARTER WAS PRESIDENT!!!!!!
Please Mr. Hatch, do the country a favor and retire.
@1976donzi Don't you love these assholes who talk about shrinking Gov. yet they are career politicians? Sen Hatch is a flaming corporate whore..so typical. They always condemn socialized medicine yet this country continuously votes the Scandanavian countries as Best Countries to Live ...one reason being healthcare.....short sighted morons.
Remember HUMANA? They got me to sign on and for a year and a half I paid $200 a month for my recovery medication! And then this PRIVATE for profit bizness invented something called a "DONUT HOLE" and my costs soared to $1,000 a month for half of the year while I was in this "DONUT HOLE"! Get rid of these for profit non human private run business charades and give me something HONEST! Please?
@TheOtherView As an Australian sitting from a neutral standpoint on your politics but to left in my own country, I find and most people would agree with me is that there is very little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans anymore, If the voters of the left had any common-sense they'd elect more members like Sen. Sanders.
Bernie Sanders should be the President. If we really had a democratic elections for the people by the people instead of cooperations running this country through it's puppets like Orin Hatch we could be a great country again.
@lgmccarville I am from Vermont and vote for Sanders! Amen to your comment and not hail to our founder of the whatever branch of church Senator Hatch happens to swear allegiance to! That was Bernie at his best!
Hatch has real balls. Medicare:: 3% overhead vs. 24% for major insurance comp.Private insurance companies: huge private interests with nameless faceless bureaucrats who ration healthcare in order to maximize profits. Like most counterfeit conservatives, Hatch loves federal government security apparatus, including military industrial complex, prison industrial complex, drug war fascism,and huge bailouts for Wall St. Let Hatch call Goldman Sachs fire brigade next time his house is on fire.
im not trying to be a dick, trust me i love bernie sanders, i woudl skank all day with bernie, but fire and police is local government, trust me i love the public option, honestly i like canada, france, great britain and pretty much all the other countries that are in the top health insurance, but it really gets to me when liberals or anyone in general says things that are wrong, but yes there is a lot that the fed does that is important and that the private industry would completely screw up
Yea.. Do nothing for the middle class who did not cause or profit from the so-called deficit yet when the elit corporate scum who caused and prospered from it come crying "we are to big to fail" pay them trillions for their Las Vegas style betting.
this debate is over, anyway. It's over. There is no public option. there never will be. More Americans will have to die. When enough people die of no healthcare, then this will be revisited. I'm sorry that it has to happen this way but unfortunately, a lot of people learn through pain and agony... it always seems that way.
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Senator Hatch absolutely knows the difference between single payer and socialized medicine. He, and the rest of the Banana Republicans, called the proposed bill 'socialized medicine' to get negative emotional reactions from uneducated voters. He was being dishonest. Wake up people! Do some reading and do some research. Don't fall for this dishonesty! And don't vote against your own self interests.
So, Mr Hatch says that the private side can usually do it better than the public side (like, as in soldiers? policemen? firemen? scientists? engineers? all supported at least in part by public dollars?)
- Is he completely out of touch with what, say, AIG, GM, Citigroup, etc etc etc did not only to themselves, but to the rest of the economy and so the rest of us?
- Is he implying that he either doesn't believe in himself (he's a...SENATOR, so if he doesn't believe in government) or...?
It's so depressing seeing someone of Hatch's age, look so self assured to the point of smugness, spew nonsense that would embarass the school yard. What's more depressing is that he genuinely believes this crap. One would think intellect would be a requirement to hold any office in any political theatre but Hatch is indictative of his ilk. And the level of abject stupidity seen is mind boggling to say the least.
But Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat, thats why. He's a Social Democrat and he only caucuses with the Democrats. That doesn't logically follow that he has to be a pussy like the Democrats.
Orrin Hatch overdosed on his senility medication just prior to this interview.The man is as high as the moon.This man should be drug-tested.When his piss turns up dirty,he should be booted right the hell out of the U.S.Senate! Drug-test him now!
Did anyone saw Bernie on cnn with rick s. on 5/12/10, about the private corp. having secret meetings with feds? It was very interesting. We should now whats going on in thoses closed doors meetings,ite our money anyway.
@TimeWarp66 you couldn't be more wrong. Hatch just rehashed the same GOP talking points over and over.
And he's saying our lousy system where private health insurance denies paying for coverage for bullshit reasons is the best we can do.
A major problem with health care is a private sector bureaucrat getting in between you and your doctor. A problem the GOP is in denial of. If government doesn't curb these abuse who does? Only an idiot would think this problem would be fixed on it's own.
The thing is we don't have truly private free market health insurance. So what you're arguing against is a straw man.
The real issue is 3rd party payment. Weather it's an insurance company or gov't. We need individuals to pay directly for their own medical expenses so nameless faceless bureaucrats don't get in the way.
look up: "Milton Friedman healthcare" here on youtube. He does a great job of explaining the problems with American medicine. And its NOT that we don't have enough govt. lol.
@TimeWarp66 The US health care system is far more private sector based than all those single payer nations. So how come we have a far higher GDP compared to them. If your theory was correct, then naturally those nations with more government run health care would have a higher GDP.
And a huge problem with health care is those nameless faceless bureaucrats in private health insurance denying claims for trivial reasons. Saying "well it will be worse if.." means you're content with this problem.
More than single payer of course, but it is not close to a free market at all.
% of GDP spent on healthcare goes up because of 3rd party payers. This is basic economics. When someone else is paying the bill, you buy the most expensive treatment.
Countries that have adopted single payers systems spend less because they adopt wage and price controls, lowering the quality of care, increasing waiting lines, and a rationing of goods and services.
Americans have higher rates of obesity, car accidents, and violent crime. That's why we live less than Canadians. Life expectancy is a poor measure of a healthcare system. What you have to look at is healthcare outcomes after you've been diagnosed with an illness.
How long it takes you to be say, diagnosed with cancer, how long it takes you to get treated for that cancer, and what's the rate of recovery for being treated for cancer in that medical system. In those terms, the US is #1
@TimeWarp66 "Life expectancy is a poor measure of a healthcare system." Yep that's true -that's why the World Health Organization uses hundreds of factors to determine the effectiveness of one system over another. And the US is number 37. And do you know how long it takes to get diagnosed with cancer when you have no health insurance in this country? I doubt US is #1 even by your very cherry-picked standards.
What you left out in your comment is QUALITY of care. Who cares if it's free if the care is terrible, rationing, forcing you to wait hours just be scene by a doctor for 10 minutes, waiting months for treatments and surgeries. The DMV is free, so are public schools, I don't want my healthcare to be like either of those things.
@TimeWarp66 I think I'd rather wait 10 hours to get treated, or 6 months for surgery, rather than be charged 500,000$ for surgery. You want a functional government run healthcare system? Look at Canada. No death panels, quality of care is excellent, if in high demand. Sure, we wait. But we don't have people dying from lack of care, people being denied medical insurance by greedy insurance companies.
How can you argue the quality of care is excellent if you have to wait 10hours to see a doctor and 6 months for surgery? The high cost of the American healthcare system is caused by government intervention in the marketplace. In a truly free market prices are much lower. Look at the Singapore model.
@TimeWarp66 If health care coverage was being rationed solely by the private sector, costs for FEASIBLE healthcare would be ridiculous!!! This jerk, Orrin Hatch, just a day ago stood up in order to defend oil execs that were being questioned on Capitol Hill for rising gas prices due to speculation(the country is headed for a deep recession). The fuck head had no problem with the two wars, deregulation on Wall st.(not to mention deep offshore oil drilling) and tax breaks for the 2% wealthiest.
@TimeWarp66 Do you REALLY think the private sector could offer anything better for a much high cost? If you're rich or wealthy, maybe so(they say that money is time right). If not, you're fucked.
@TimeWarp66 "This is basic economics. When someone else is paying the bill, you buy the most expensive treatment." That's the problem with conservatives thinking on healthcare. Healthcare treatment decisions ARE NOT MARKET BASED. They're based on needs and prescribed by doctors. If Kemotherapy is free you're not going to go out and get a whole bunch are you? That's why a "free market" is not the best model for health care. Every other free nation with thriving markets gets this.
Economic laws are like the laws of physics, you can’t break them. Competition brings about lower prices and better quality. Its true in everything except healthcare, precisely because of government meddling.
@TimeWarp66 If you're ever in a catestrophic accident unless you have 4 milloin or so in the bank you better hope a 3rd party beurocrat gets in the way! hahahh.. We discovered a long time ago that spreading the risk among a wide user base mitigates the risk of the individual and that system works GREAT. It's why we don't all have our own private police and fire departments. It's why we don't have to test our own food for bochelism or build our own roads. It's called civilization. Enjoy!
No one spends someone else's money as carefully as he spends his own, and no one takes care of someone else's property as well as he takes care of his own. Private enterprise out preforms government in every field of performance. Take private schools vs public schools. Take FedEx vs the post office. Take the VA hospitals vs the Mayo Clinic.
@TimeWarp66 I have to agree with you. Government made this problem, now its been made worse by them, with dems leading the charge. They will run your health care according to ideology, good luck when the government tells you no. Just check out all the denial of care and budget cuts going on in UK. And there's little "competition" to make the health bureaucracy improve.
Except that government wouldn't be running 100% of the healthcare under any of the bills written. It's called a public OPTION for a reason. Of course you can still go and pay for whatever services you want from your own insurance provider.
I just checked numerous sources, and Mr Hatch is correct. Actually he was under. It's well above 39 trillion dollars in unfunded debt. Bernie Sanders just lied on National T.V., and the title says Hatch got owned?
This is yet another reason Mitt Romney is not our President, besides, of course, BIGOTRY.
@brian8793 I agree, there wasn't much ownage to be had here. Think you're wrong about government and healthcare though. Government is neutral until acted upon, so if it truly serves us then we can only consider it a good thing. The problem is that as it stands we do not control our government, corporations do. Just don't be tricked by the "government is an evil entity" rhetoric, it doesn't have to be true, it hasn't always been true.
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This Bernie Sanders is a fear monger, and full of nonsense. Orrin Hatch didn't get owned. He agreed there needs to be changed, but he's not an IDIOT who thinks the GOVERNMENT should run it.
Any moron knows that The Government can't run healthcare. Elect Mitt Romney in 2012, and don't be ignorrant.
In Austria, we only spend 9% GDP (US: 17%) Nearly everything is totally free for everybody, the system is run by the state and financed by taxes. There aren't any wating lists, bureaucracy are whatever the US media tells you.
Because of these truly nameless, faceless bureaucrats in our current system, my father's employer and its only health care provider forces our family to change insurance plans every year. Every year. I am not making this up. But you know what? We have no choice since there is no public option.
My mother had to decline all forms of insurance from her workplace (she works in a pharmacy, by the way) because we couldn't afford for a family of four to have insurance.
A panel of five people is nameless, faceless bureaucrats, Orrin? Really?! I would think that BECAUSE there are only five people, it would be easy to identify them. (Not to say that I agree with this idea of a panel, mind you.)
Orrin, are you implying that the system we have now is NOT full of nameless, faceless bureaucrats? I'm quite sure that I know of no one in the health insurance company that provides me and my family with questionable care. (Continued...)
Veteran medicine sucks, just ask any veteran. Mr Sanders said that the people were sick of private insurance, It is a good thing that the people have spoken and we have told these socialist bustards to go to hell. Go Scott Brown, and go Orin Hatch, and screw Liberals, progressives, and socialists.
if the people were in favor of Socialized medicine maybe Obama could get the Democrats to vote for it without knowing that they are going to be thrown out of office for it.
Orrin Hatch is the devil. Way to go Bernie. Too bad you have to treat that liar with undeserved respect and can't just reach over and put some duct tape over his mouth.
Orrin Hatch is a moron neo-con that I think has probably spit his rhetoric so often that he is starting to believe it himself. Typical congressional republican. Stick to your talking points instead of the facts and you can continue to pull the wool over the eves of your idiot constituents. Would you listen to Hatch? Trying to invoke sympathy for the poor, struggling insurance companies. What a douche bag. I can't believe people fall for that kind of propaganda. Republicans believe anything
$39 Trillion for Medicare? Is Hatch insane, or simply lying? Or maybe he's just clueless about the costs. He's only exaggerating the cost by about EIGHTY TIMES.
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bernie forgot to mention the $75,000+ he receives from the health industry. and orrin hatch is no idealogue. he worked with ted kennedy for SCHIP, and that was true bipartisanship. this reform they want is as partisan as it gets.
Orin, Health Care is already rationed by faceless, nameless bureaucrats motivated by profit. Hatch is making up facts here, he is perhaps the most unethical of them all. Utah would be in dire straights if not for Hill Air Force Base, Dugway, Chemical and Biological Weapons, NASA, Micheal Army Airfield. The Utah economy is dependent on the Federal Government, it is very amusing to here Utahn's bemoan the federal government, their state legislature is the joke.
@CodyPuff , Do you have anything coherent to say? I called him no names. He was a cheerleader through deficit spending the Republicans did. Bush added about 7 trillion to national debt.
Orrin Snatch is pulling numbers out of his ass. I'd like to see him grilled on what kind of health insurance HE has....and why other people shouldn't have it as good.
@Hereticbooks He is indeed a greedy, selfish and power hungry son of a bitch. He could give a flying fuck about the hard working citizens that like to save and live a decent lifestyle simultaneously. He had the damn nerve to defend oil execs just yesterday(keep the campaign funds coming).
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Wow this video is labeled Sanders smacks down Hatch? I would say Hatch smacked down Sanders! Pointing out that this leads to more expansion of government and also pointing out that the government has unlimited resources and funding to compete with private healthcare corporations.
It will eradicate all private healthcare, and will continue this countries traditions of providing a "Nanny State"!
But don't worry, we all know how much Americans love being coddled by the government. ;-)
Well one thing's for sure. The multinational corporations will NOT coddle you. They are too busy shipping jobs overseas to care about you the US citizen. Enjoy your declining standard of living: lower wages, higher energy prices,etc. And a government that is run of, by and for the multinationals. Good choice--NOT!
Enjoy my declining standard of living huh. It was Al Gore's greedy little carcass that shoved NAFTA and GATT down or throats, that sent millions if not billions of jobs overseas since the mid-90's.
And I believe it was Obama that cap and trade being passed would skyrocket energy costs, so please Mr President sign the Copenhagen Treaty. And please Nancy Pelosi keep shoving healthcare reform that the nation can't pay for down our throats, because this nation seems to love communism.
Yep, Clinton/Gore is responsible for NAFTA. I knew Gore was wrong back then--as now. What did Bush do re NAFTA? Nothing. Both parties are beholden to the big banks and big corporations.There are over 13,500 registered lobyyists in DC. This is why we have the government we have. Billions of jobs? There are only 300 million people in the whole country,btw. The US has THE most expensive system in the world. For-profit insurance companies merely dump policyholders. AETNA just dropped 600,000 people.
Oh I definitely agree with you there, and I have no allegiance to any political party. I'm a strict constitutionalist.
Sorry about the billions comment, that was obviously way overboard.
For me, there is no debate for healthcare reform. Our system is not the most expensive in the world solely on the insurance companies mind you. It's also Big Pharma, all realms of the food industry (excluding organic), not to mention the fore-mentioned lobbyed politicians.
I agree. This country needs a third, fourth, even a fifth political party system. The ONLY way, in my view, is to take away the powerbase from the current two parties. Who really aren't much different in alot of ways. We have to MAKE them resposive to the voter,the only way they understand--booting them from office.
I agree with jvinga1. The biggest reward this country would get from something like a public option is the ability for the poor to afford PREVENTATIVE care, which, over time, would reduce the need for incidental care and costly operations. If we're really interested in addressing this problem at its roots, we need to get people of all income levels access to good preventative care.
As an Australian watching this I simply cannot believe the guy on the left of screen has been to school. Has he heard of the rest of the world? Does he know that there exists a life outside of his narrow and ignorant Republican brain?
The fact of the matter is: America spends twice as much as any other developed country on healthcare and gets worst results. America runs on a private system, the rest of the developed World runs on a public system. Half the price, and better. Grow up Republicans
You really think that Bernie was one who made sense here? You HAVE to be kidding. He says a "Public Option" is NOT a government run system? He really thinks it would compete on a level playing field? What a joke. By the way, they've been trying a government-run system to provide "universal healthcare" for the entire state of Maine for over 5 years and it's been a complete failure. Look up "Dirigo" and find out the facts. Insurance rates there skyrocketed (private AND public).
That's simply a reflection upon how the system was implemented. It is not a reflection upon the principle and theory of a government run healthcare system. Look at the rest of the democratized world. It's simple and it works. We have too much money in our systems and running Healthcare with private interests involved gums up the works. Just make it a non-profit interest.
Disagree. If after 5 years it's only gotten worse, then it's more likely that it's because it's based on unsound prinicples. Even the people who run it have pretty much admitted that it was a failed experiment and can't be fixed or ever meet it's initial lofty goals. Private insurance needs regulated, not run out of business by massive government plans which will always be inefficient. Besides 2 billion in new taxes certainly won't help the situation. Foolish power hungry politicians.
I disagree. I'm an American that lives in France; the country that is ranked #1 (as opposed to #37) in HealthCare (HC). It is illegal for private insurers to provide basic HC due to the exact things that are plaguing America. All of the E.U. countries have the same law & it's effective. One can get addt'l. insurance for things like spiffy glasses, tooth whitening, etc.
The argument of it being an unsound principle dissolves in the face of the fact that it works wherever it has been implemented.
Right. Poor people who can't afford life saving surgeries should die in the streets. Private america needs a proverbial spanking by a progressive democratic government emapthetic to the needs of the people and not the almighty dollar. Unless you want society to slowly crumble.
Societies crumble when citizens turn more and more of their lives over to a nanny state, who, in turn, has to take more and more of the people's money in a power-hungry grab. Turning over 1/6th of our economy to the federal government is a recipie for corruption and disaster when we should be fixing the existing system to make it affordable to all, especially the poor. Conservatives are sometimes baffled by liberals, but not for the reasons you think! ;-)
Like I said the poor who can't afford health care don't deserve it and should die in the streets. Why have social empathy when we can turn into a society like India or Brazil with slums full of the absolute poor. That will be great for America.
You miss my point. You don't have to become socialist to take care of the poor. In fact, even with our current system, which is in horrible shape and needs major changes, we still don't deny life-saving care to anyone. Ever heard of indigent care? Well, there would be a whole lot less of it if we could make insurance more affordable to lower and lower levels of income earners.
I am outraged at how government officials that are supposed to be intelligent can spread such blatant disinformation about the positive possibilities of a public option. Americans are believing these lies. If run properly a public option can save us billions and ensure better care for more citizens. Mr. Hatch kept saying that a public option would be bureaucrats deciding what care to ration out to us. Well what in the freaking hell do you think that insurance companies do?
Here's a prime example of government incompetence.
They knew H1N1 could be be a big problem 8 months ago. Knowing that, they never prepared enough vaccinations and are flagellating over themselves in producing the vaccinations.
These are the people you want to entrust your health care needs to???
Corporate America is the one who has brainwashed all of you right wing morons. The idea that you cite so called facts from Fox shows how brainwashed YOU are!
Things take time, conny. And of course the unemployment rate went up, the stimulus was watered down because Obama was too worried about bipartisanship. As for your ridiculous crap about how much the rich pay in taxes, may I have a source? They would actually then pay less than they're supposed to if your stats are accurate, they own almost 65% of the wealth (source: Common Dreams).
The total cost of the stimulus is 1.2 trillion dollars when interest is factored in. Then another 150 billion was added as a bribe to get the so called blue dogs to join in. Look where were at now...10.2% and rising. Looks like you trickle down poverty is working. That's what I call spreading misery equally.
I don't know how bad things have to be before you see the light...however, you being a true proletarian, maybe all this economic misery is good in your eyes.
The National Tax Payer's Union? They have an agenda, they have even stated it. They want a flat tax. Thus, their numbers are subject to moot. The middle class actually pays most of the taxes according to government stats (you know, the people who COLLECT the taxes). Plus, the top 5%ers can hide money in fancy off shore accounts. And just so you know the people really working are not in the top 5%. Sorry to inconvenience you.
"what do you have to show that socialized medicine is so wonderful?"
Where do I begin?
According to Harvard, 45,000 people a year die of preventable causes due to lack of insurance, how many in France? Zero.
According to Journal of American Medical Association (anti-"socialized medicine" group) the British have less of every disease than Americans do (even though they have more of every risk factor). In fact, even poor Brits are healthier than middle class Americans (class affects health).
Medicare can't drop people from their roll anytime they want, they must cover EVERYONE, private insurance can drop anyone they want and in that study (done by AMA) it doesn't take that into account. It also doesn't take into account the fact that private insurers can redline (not enroll people if they're sick) Medicare must enroll EVERYONE. The numbers are simply bullshit. As my stats teacher told me, "If you look for something, you will find it." AMA has been against Medicare since it came out.
Plus, there was a nine day sample (out of a whole year) and there was a sample of that sample (what a sham!). Also, the big industries were given the red carpet treatment with research, Humana was even allowed to report their own "findings." AND the research was only for COST DENIALS, not procedural denials, Medicare cost denials are overturned regularly (they decide to pay after initially rejecting but allowing the procedure) while private industry overturns are rare.
Humana...Government has forced a gag order on them...where's that in the Constitution???
If you want to lower insurance dramatically??? Then open up to all the companies in the country. My auto insurance is based in Texas but I can't get health insurance from Arizona because by law I must get insurance in the state I live in now why is that? Wonder why health insurance is so expensive? It's called artificial barriers that the government throws in the way. Geeez...
How about his...read the contract to find out what you are covered under and what not. It's not hard...it may take some time. By law if it's in the insurance policy they have to cover it, if they decline then they can be taken to court.
In the old Soviet Union everyone had medical insurance be not everyone got coverage. So because everyone is covered under medicare doesn't mean they will get treated. because more and more doctors are declining medicare.
So because doctors only get 30% on every dollar of reimbursement from medicare they drop it and I don't blame them.
What you want do is expand this BS and force it one everyone and you are willing to give the government the power to do so.
Can't make your own decisions so government has make them for you? This is why I question those who are educated but will surrender their freedoms to the government. You haven't given any moral justification except tearing private companies.
"So because doctors only get 30% on every dollar of reimbursement from medicare they drop it and I don't blame them. "
If this is true, then why do Medicare patients have such an easy time finding a doctor? Much easier than their privately insured counterparts. According to the Commonwealth Fund, 45% of privately insured patients reported problems accessing medical care compared to just 18% of Medicare patients.
If Canadians are so well taken care then how come they come to the US by the hundreds of thousands to get medical treatment? And they pay for it too. last year over 200,000 thousand brits came to the US for medical treatment. How many went to Britain? Noe that we heard of.
If 45,000 die a year that's Bull-shovick. In the this country it's by law to treat someone if they have insurance or not. No one can be turned away. Did you hear of that?
Yes, I did, and so did Harvard, that's why they reported the findings. Where did you get that number about the Canadians? LOL, I'm done with you, your primary "factual" source is your ass (common among conservatives). What the fuck is an "itchy ear" source? There are facts and there are lies, your numbers are the latter, mine are the former (I gave you the sources to see for yourself).
Yes, indeed Medicare has handled inflation better than the private insurance industry (though both have been dealing with inflation over the last decades). According to MSNBC, the private industry has had inflation of over 600% since the early 1980's while Medicare has had only 512% (a lot, but still less than the private industry).
You can pull all the sources out your ass you want but none of them justifies forcing socialized medicine on everyone. Goes against our freedoms and would be unconstitutional for the federal government to do so.
Show me in the Constitution where it justifies will you? Your an educated man hell bent on sources so wheres your source to giver government the power to power to control our medical industry?
I don't cite sources and facts anymore to liberals. They are too brainwashed which is why they are proletarians. Worship a the alter of Marx and not even know it.
It's a cult of personality. Even the gulag prisoners wept when they heard of Stalin's death. They thought Stalin was their hero and their protector...were they wrong.
Just like you...think big government is your hero and want to force it on the rest of us.
I bet you have "imagine" by john Lennon looping inside your head all day.
Where in the Constitution does it say the government doesn't have the power to offer you a choice between private health care and a National Health Service (not that thats on on the table) and as for Hatch's remarks about 'faceless officials' who does he think staffs the private companies? Not even getting started on the 'doctors' employed and given bonuses to find ways to either deny people coverage or deny them their cover after they've been treated.
Doesn't state the federal government can do such. Did you read the tenth amendment?
Amendment X
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
the Constitution limits the federal government not give it unlimited power.
Who cares about "faceless" people in the insurance companies. That's irrelevant.
I don't buy your assertion that doctors and insurance companies exist just to deny people coverage. That's being paranoid. I laid on my death bed and my insurance covered. My special needs kid laid her death bed and t he insurance covered. My insurance has forked out over 400 grand between the two us.
There are times we have to wrestle with co-payments but we have been taken care. Plus, I made decisions in life to facilitate our health cover needs.
So I didn't sit around and vote Democrat expecting them to take someones money to pay for my health coverage.
How about changing laws allowing insurance companies to sell to anyone to any state in the country for starts. I have auto insurance out of state but cannot get health insurance out of state. Sup with that?
How about removing these artificial barriers so insurance cost can come down. Rather destroy peoples reputations who you know nothing about in attacking insurance companies.
If private insurance companies are so efficient, go to the Gulf Coast and ask the victims of Katrina why many of them are still living in containers. Because their insurance companies found excuses to deny paying them. And these are the people you trust to look after you if you should ever need medical attention? And just because many people don't happen to agree with you doesn't make them "Communists". Or have you forgotten something called the First Amendment?
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Well, Bernie sounded like a typical liberal. Full of passion but completely irrelevant.
It goes to show, now matter how extreme someone may be. As long as they are passionate, they can attract a gullible mass because they know how to play to their feelings.
That's what liberalism is...it seduces you through feelings rather then principle.
to accusate a politician for beeing passionate doesnt make them wrong and irrelevant. He is right; the health of the people is not a matter of money hungering insurance companies, it should be a right for every person and therefore it is vital that the government takes its responsibility and handle the public health-care..!
The US insurance cartel only wants young and healthy customers,hopefully they stay well until they reach 65 and then these morons can dump them on the GOVERNMENT FUNDED SYSTEM so they give themselves even bigger bonuses!
When government steps beyond it's Constitutional bounds then it becomes irrelevant or "doesn't work" because "We the people" provide for ourselves better then what government can do. This nation did not become so well off because of top down thinking, it was the American people who did the hard work and sacrifice. I'm not about to throw all of that away in the name of socialism.
Orrin Hatch is a hypocrit on the health care issue. I mean the man sponsored S-CHIP and then he talks about the unconstitutionality of Obamacare? At least stay conservatively consistent, and then people like Bernie Sanders won't be able to lay the samckdown on you.
MsHowza 1 month ago
nameless faceless beurocrats or nameless faceless CEOs?....hmmm...it seems to me that government are at least more accountable...and you get a vote on government.
malechauvinistxy 4 months ago
Orin Hatch is the biggest blow hard. He was nameless and faceless before everyone descovered he was a tool bag.
glazierEd 4 months ago
Bernie Sanders is a retarded Liberal blowhard
Zendout1 5 months ago
@Zendout1 Why? because he puts American people above American Corporations, as opposed to the opposite of Hatch? Why are you so devoted to the middle class demise?
glazierEd 4 months ago
@Zendout1 you touch yourself at night because you're too ugly so no one else will. That's how factual your comments are :)
lloydmauler 3 months ago
Fuck you Oral Hatch.
solomanspaming 5 months ago
nice comments about Bernie ...
tapolna 5 months ago
The worst healthcare bureaucrats are the feds??? Has this Orrin Hatch shit head ever had to deal with United? Or any of the other private healthcare companies that deny coverage???
God I love Bernie Sanders. All politicians are supposed to be like Bernie Sanders, they are supposed to put US, the people, first, not PACs, not party lines, not kick backs, US. Bernie is the last of a long dead breed unfortunately
Piriathy 5 months ago
I agree with Sanders except for the comparison with other industrialized countries in terms of outcomes and cost. You can't compare the U.S. with Norway both because of size and diversity which we all know of course is a weakness. Anyway Hatch is an ignorant, lying or delusional SOB
TheOtherView 5 months ago
YEAH VERMONT!!!!!!
Keenwilkinson8490 5 months ago
Having Orrin Hatch participating in running your government is like having a serial child abuser babysit your kids.
DWRWC 6 months ago 2
Hatch is a dried up asshole, rich from being in the senate from1976!!!!! He has been involved in corruption and graft since JIMMY CARTER WAS PRESIDENT!!!!!!
Please Mr. Hatch, do the country a favor and retire.
1976donzi 6 months ago 6
@1976donzi Don't you love these assholes who talk about shrinking Gov. yet they are career politicians? Sen Hatch is a flaming corporate whore..so typical. They always condemn socialized medicine yet this country continuously votes the Scandanavian countries as Best Countries to Live ...one reason being healthcare.....short sighted morons.
abbadabbadolittle 6 months ago
Remember HUMANA? They got me to sign on and for a year and a half I paid $200 a month for my recovery medication! And then this PRIVATE for profit bizness invented something called a "DONUT HOLE" and my costs soared to $1,000 a month for half of the year while I was in this "DONUT HOLE"! Get rid of these for profit non human private run business charades and give me something HONEST! Please?
MrReymoclif714 7 months ago
Democrats love the people, republicans love the money
smokin4dubs 7 months ago 3
@smokin4dubs
No, Obama is a democrat not republican.
TheOtherView 5 months ago
@TheOtherView As an Australian sitting from a neutral standpoint on your politics but to left in my own country, I find and most people would agree with me is that there is very little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans anymore, If the voters of the left had any common-sense they'd elect more members like Sen. Sanders.
irishgodfatherchris 5 months ago 3
priorities.
78booby 7 months ago
Bernie Sanders should be the President. If we really had a democratic elections for the people by the people instead of cooperations running this country through it's puppets like Orin Hatch we could be a great country again.
lgmccarville 7 months ago 22
@lgmccarville I am from Vermont and vote for Sanders! Amen to your comment and not hail to our founder of the whatever branch of church Senator Hatch happens to swear allegiance to! That was Bernie at his best!
MrReymoclif714 7 months ago 3
You republiacunts nee to go to hell and burn there you ignorant evil bastards!
padude64 7 months ago
Hatch has no balls you republican freakazoids!
padude64 7 months ago
Hatch has real balls. Medicare:: 3% overhead vs. 24% for major insurance comp.Private insurance companies: huge private interests with nameless faceless bureaucrats who ration healthcare in order to maximize profits. Like most counterfeit conservatives, Hatch loves federal government security apparatus, including military industrial complex, prison industrial complex, drug war fascism,and huge bailouts for Wall St. Let Hatch call Goldman Sachs fire brigade next time his house is on fire.
drjimiboy69 7 months ago
The Republicans are ass holes
logan76mv 7 months ago
Why isn't Bernie Sanders the president of the united states by now?
koolkamel322 8 months ago
im not trying to be a dick, trust me i love bernie sanders, i woudl skank all day with bernie, but fire and police is local government, trust me i love the public option, honestly i like canada, france, great britain and pretty much all the other countries that are in the top health insurance, but it really gets to me when liberals or anyone in general says things that are wrong, but yes there is a lot that the fed does that is important and that the private industry would completely screw up
zaneybaney420 9 months ago
Yea.. Do nothing for the middle class who did not cause or profit from the so-called deficit yet when the elit corporate scum who caused and prospered from it come crying "we are to big to fail" pay them trillions for their Las Vegas style betting.
abbadabbadolittle 9 months ago
is there a bernie sanders' fan club?
I guess that would be the people of Vermont. lol.
zzsql 10 months ago
Sorry... Sanders is a joke. I respected the guy at first for his work on the Fed, but this whole healthcare thing is ridiculous.
bweazel 11 months ago
I used to live in Utah, and I can't stand Orrin Snatch.
Hereticbooks 1 year ago 2
this debate is over, anyway. It's over. There is no public option. there never will be. More Americans will have to die. When enough people die of no healthcare, then this will be revisited. I'm sorry that it has to happen this way but unfortunately, a lot of people learn through pain and agony... it always seems that way.
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arzoyan 1 year ago
Sanders in 2012!
kiptoy123 1 year ago 20
Orrin Hatch is a vile bastard, a total fucking LIAR...
sfarmer76 1 year ago
i thought bernie sanders was a independent
I3lueGhost 1 year ago
Bernie is so right! I love this guy.
N89J00X 1 year ago
It's so refreshing to have such a powerful voice in the Senate that is not owned by Corporate Interest.
dustysheeks 1 year ago
Senator Hatch absolutely knows the difference between single payer and socialized medicine. He, and the rest of the Banana Republicans, called the proposed bill 'socialized medicine' to get negative emotional reactions from uneducated voters. He was being dishonest. Wake up people! Do some reading and do some research. Don't fall for this dishonesty! And don't vote against your own self interests.
bpvogel 1 year ago 3
So, Mr Hatch says that the private side can usually do it better than the public side (like, as in soldiers? policemen? firemen? scientists? engineers? all supported at least in part by public dollars?)
- Is he completely out of touch with what, say, AIG, GM, Citigroup, etc etc etc did not only to themselves, but to the rest of the economy and so the rest of us?
- Is he implying that he either doesn't believe in himself (he's a...SENATOR, so if he doesn't believe in government) or...?
asumener 1 year ago
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asumener 1 year ago
It's so depressing seeing someone of Hatch's age, look so self assured to the point of smugness, spew nonsense that would embarass the school yard. What's more depressing is that he genuinely believes this crap. One would think intellect would be a requirement to hold any office in any political theatre but Hatch is indictative of his ilk. And the level of abject stupidity seen is mind boggling to say the least.
AduneStormwind 1 year ago
But Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat, thats why. He's a Social Democrat and he only caucuses with the Democrats. That doesn't logically follow that he has to be a pussy like the Democrats.
Newenlightenmentnow 1 year ago 4
Bernie Sanders is awesome..... and he's right.....
funkyflights 1 year ago 3
Dayum Hatch got served!!
Shnufkin 1 year ago
Orrin Hatch is a caveman.
steelersguy74 1 year ago
This Turkey is an idiot
andy18401 1 year ago
Orrin Hatch overdosed on his senility medication just prior to this interview.The man is as high as the moon.This man should be drug-tested.When his piss turns up dirty,he should be booted right the hell out of the U.S.Senate! Drug-test him now!
teleman84 1 year ago
Orrin Hatch looks like he's stoned people.I say we demand he be drug-tested immediately.
teleman84 1 year ago
I heard that if you don't like your death panel's decision you can always appeal it.
rs09985 1 year ago
Orrin Hatch is an arrogant ass! High time someone crams Hatch's lies back down his throat!
Mayofour 1 year ago 2
I love the way Orrin Hatch pulls insane numbers out of his ass.
mellymoke 1 year ago
Hatch is in essence saying that private sector bureaucrats denying funding for trivial reasons is the best America can do.
He's using the bureaucrat talking point over and over and it just sounds empty.
Hatch is just a shill for the status quo and his opinion is shit.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
Did anyone saw Bernie on cnn with rick s. on 5/12/10, about the private corp. having secret meetings with feds? It was very interesting. We should now whats going on in thoses closed doors meetings,ite our money anyway.
goldieyes7 1 year ago
WTF are you idiots talking about?
Hatch owned this overly irrational dunce.
Hatch argues with logic and facts, Bernie boy just pleads to emotion while throwing a hissy fit.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 you couldn't be more wrong. Hatch just rehashed the same GOP talking points over and over.
And he's saying our lousy system where private health insurance denies paying for coverage for bullshit reasons is the best we can do.
A major problem with health care is a private sector bureaucrat getting in between you and your doctor. A problem the GOP is in denial of. If government doesn't curb these abuse who does? Only an idiot would think this problem would be fixed on it's own.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
The thing is we don't have truly private free market health insurance. So what you're arguing against is a straw man.
The real issue is 3rd party payment. Weather it's an insurance company or gov't. We need individuals to pay directly for their own medical expenses so nameless faceless bureaucrats don't get in the way.
look up: "Milton Friedman healthcare" here on youtube. He does a great job of explaining the problems with American medicine. And its NOT that we don't have enough govt. lol.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 The US health care system is far more private sector based than all those single payer nations. So how come we have a far higher GDP compared to them. If your theory was correct, then naturally those nations with more government run health care would have a higher GDP.
And a huge problem with health care is those nameless faceless bureaucrats in private health insurance denying claims for trivial reasons. Saying "well it will be worse if.." means you're content with this problem.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
@Trollmaster21
More than single payer of course, but it is not close to a free market at all.
% of GDP spent on healthcare goes up because of 3rd party payers. This is basic economics. When someone else is paying the bill, you buy the most expensive treatment.
Countries that have adopted single payers systems spend less because they adopt wage and price controls, lowering the quality of care, increasing waiting lines, and a rationing of goods and services.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 If they have lower quality health care, then how come they got longer life spans?
And why isn't the US ranked #1 or even close to that in health care by any non partisan study.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
Americans have higher rates of obesity, car accidents, and violent crime. That's why we live less than Canadians. Life expectancy is a poor measure of a healthcare system. What you have to look at is healthcare outcomes after you've been diagnosed with an illness.
How long it takes you to be say, diagnosed with cancer, how long it takes you to get treated for that cancer, and what's the rate of recovery for being treated for cancer in that medical system. In those terms, the US is #1
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 "Life expectancy is a poor measure of a healthcare system." Yep that's true -that's why the World Health Organization uses hundreds of factors to determine the effectiveness of one system over another. And the US is number 37. And do you know how long it takes to get diagnosed with cancer when you have no health insurance in this country? I doubt US is #1 even by your very cherry-picked standards.
sinistar99 1 year ago
@sinistar99
What you left out in your comment is QUALITY of care. Who cares if it's free if the care is terrible, rationing, forcing you to wait hours just be scene by a doctor for 10 minutes, waiting months for treatments and surgeries. The DMV is free, so are public schools, I don't want my healthcare to be like either of those things.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 I think I'd rather wait 10 hours to get treated, or 6 months for surgery, rather than be charged 500,000$ for surgery. You want a functional government run healthcare system? Look at Canada. No death panels, quality of care is excellent, if in high demand. Sure, we wait. But we don't have people dying from lack of care, people being denied medical insurance by greedy insurance companies.
DirectInjected 11 months ago
@DirectInjected
How can you argue the quality of care is excellent if you have to wait 10hours to see a doctor and 6 months for surgery? The high cost of the American healthcare system is caused by government intervention in the marketplace. In a truly free market prices are much lower. Look at the Singapore model.
TimeWarp66 11 months ago
@TimeWarp66 If health care coverage was being rationed solely by the private sector, costs for FEASIBLE healthcare would be ridiculous!!! This jerk, Orrin Hatch, just a day ago stood up in order to defend oil execs that were being questioned on Capitol Hill for rising gas prices due to speculation(the country is headed for a deep recession). The fuck head had no problem with the two wars, deregulation on Wall st.(not to mention deep offshore oil drilling) and tax breaks for the 2% wealthiest.
kevinjones238 8 months ago
@TimeWarp66 Do you REALLY think the private sector could offer anything better for a much high cost? If you're rich or wealthy, maybe so(they say that money is time right). If not, you're fucked.
kevinjones238 8 months ago
@TimeWarp66 oh i like the fact we can debate on this and not call each other names.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
@Trollmaster21
I know!!!
I didn't think it was possible on youtube!
You're civility is inspiring.
You sir, get a friend request!
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 "This is basic economics. When someone else is paying the bill, you buy the most expensive treatment." That's the problem with conservatives thinking on healthcare. Healthcare treatment decisions ARE NOT MARKET BASED. They're based on needs and prescribed by doctors. If Kemotherapy is free you're not going to go out and get a whole bunch are you? That's why a "free market" is not the best model for health care. Every other free nation with thriving markets gets this.
sinistar99 1 year ago
Economic laws are like the laws of physics, you can’t break them. Competition brings about lower prices and better quality. Its true in everything except healthcare, precisely because of government meddling.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 If you're ever in a catestrophic accident unless you have 4 milloin or so in the bank you better hope a 3rd party beurocrat gets in the way! hahahh.. We discovered a long time ago that spreading the risk among a wide user base mitigates the risk of the individual and that system works GREAT. It's why we don't all have our own private police and fire departments. It's why we don't have to test our own food for bochelism or build our own roads. It's called civilization. Enjoy!
sinistar99 1 year ago
No one spends someone else's money as carefully as he spends his own, and no one takes care of someone else's property as well as he takes care of his own. Private enterprise out preforms government in every field of performance. Take private schools vs public schools. Take FedEx vs the post office. Take the VA hospitals vs the Mayo Clinic.
TimeWarp66 1 year ago
@TimeWarp66 I have to agree with you. Government made this problem, now its been made worse by them, with dems leading the charge. They will run your health care according to ideology, good luck when the government tells you no. Just check out all the denial of care and budget cuts going on in UK. And there's little "competition" to make the health bureaucracy improve.
vllmer 1 year ago
@vllmer
Except that government wouldn't be running 100% of the healthcare under any of the bills written. It's called a public OPTION for a reason. Of course you can still go and pay for whatever services you want from your own insurance provider.
briandee 1 year ago
I just checked numerous sources, and Mr Hatch is correct. Actually he was under. It's well above 39 trillion dollars in unfunded debt. Bernie Sanders just lied on National T.V., and the title says Hatch got owned?
This is yet another reason Mitt Romney is not our President, besides, of course, BIGOTRY.
brian8793 1 year ago
Private health insurance gets their money by denying claims and shafting doctors on payments. That is where their 30%+ profit margins come from.
MeritisDE 1 year ago 3
Why do all TYT videos look and sound like they were recorded in 1996?
Creation2012 1 year ago
WHAT? The Young Turk is an IDOT! omg, Bernie Sanders didn't own Orrin Hatch.LOL
Just because someone is louder, doesn't make them right.....
brian8793 1 year ago
@brian8793 I agree, there wasn't much ownage to be had here. Think you're wrong about government and healthcare though. Government is neutral until acted upon, so if it truly serves us then we can only consider it a good thing. The problem is that as it stands we do not control our government, corporations do. Just don't be tricked by the "government is an evil entity" rhetoric, it doesn't have to be true, it hasn't always been true.
PossessDismiss 1 year ago
@brian8793 No, being right makes him right. You're a stupid.
wheresurhat 1 year ago
@wheresurhat You think that adding more money to an already bankrupt Countries defecit is a good idea?lol\
You need to take an economics class, and lay off of the weed...
brian8793 1 year ago
@brian8793 It's choosing a lesser degree of evil.
wheresurhat 1 year ago
@wheresurhat We'll see how Mitt Romney handles healthcare when he get's elected on December 17th, 2012. December 21st will be a special day indeed...
brian8793 1 year ago
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This Bernie Sanders is a fear monger, and full of nonsense. Orrin Hatch didn't get owned. He agreed there needs to be changed, but he's not an IDIOT who thinks the GOVERNMENT should run it.
Any moron knows that The Government can't run healthcare. Elect Mitt Romney in 2012, and don't be ignorrant.
Thank you and have a good day ; )
brian8793 1 year ago
In Austria, we only spend 9% GDP (US: 17%) Nearly everything is totally free for everybody, the system is run by the state and financed by taxes. There aren't any wating lists, bureaucracy are whatever the US media tells you.
The republicans are not telling the truth.
nonameposter 1 year ago 2
(...Continued)
Because of these truly nameless, faceless bureaucrats in our current system, my father's employer and its only health care provider forces our family to change insurance plans every year. Every year. I am not making this up. But you know what? We have no choice since there is no public option.
My mother had to decline all forms of insurance from her workplace (she works in a pharmacy, by the way) because we couldn't afford for a family of four to have insurance.
Replies?
MicrosoftWindowsGuy 1 year ago
A panel of five people is nameless, faceless bureaucrats, Orrin? Really?! I would think that BECAUSE there are only five people, it would be easy to identify them. (Not to say that I agree with this idea of a panel, mind you.)
Orrin, are you implying that the system we have now is NOT full of nameless, faceless bureaucrats? I'm quite sure that I know of no one in the health insurance company that provides me and my family with questionable care. (Continued...)
MicrosoftWindowsGuy 1 year ago
tall glass of shut up juice!!!
John3285 1 year ago
Yeah, just one note though, Bernie Sanders is an Independent not a Democrat.
CyberspaceCosmonaut 1 year ago
Wow,Bernie Sander needs to mentor some of the democrats in the senate, he is the only one with a real fighting spirit.Love ya Bernie :)
SS5507 1 year ago
I agree.
nonameposter 1 year ago
Republicans dont want to expand government....unless it involves homeland security and the military. Then the sky is the limit!
blairzel 1 year ago
@blairzel
Very true! Haha... not even the sky!
MicrosoftWindowsGuy 1 year ago
Veteran medicine sucks, just ask any veteran. Mr Sanders said that the people were sick of private insurance, It is a good thing that the people have spoken and we have told these socialist bustards to go to hell. Go Scott Brown, and go Orin Hatch, and screw Liberals, progressives, and socialists.
brycecreamman 1 year ago
Scott Browns first vote in the Senate was with Obama....so good job on that one dumb teabaggers.
DanHagen20 1 year ago
if the people were in favor of Socialized medicine maybe Obama could get the Democrats to vote for it without knowing that they are going to be thrown out of office for it.
brycecreamman 1 year ago
Orrin Hatch is the devil. Way to go Bernie. Too bad you have to treat that liar with undeserved respect and can't just reach over and put some duct tape over his mouth.
Tall glass of shut up juice? Awesome.
mauricemorning 2 years ago
Thanks for posting :)
s810sDaughter 2 years ago
Orrin Hatch is a moron neo-con that I think has probably spit his rhetoric so often that he is starting to believe it himself. Typical congressional republican. Stick to your talking points instead of the facts and you can continue to pull the wool over the eves of your idiot constituents. Would you listen to Hatch? Trying to invoke sympathy for the poor, struggling insurance companies. What a douche bag. I can't believe people fall for that kind of propaganda. Republicans believe anything
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femalehysteria 2 years ago
$39 Trillion for Medicare? Is Hatch insane, or simply lying? Or maybe he's just clueless about the costs. He's only exaggerating the cost by about EIGHTY TIMES.
artgoat 2 years ago
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bernie forgot to mention the $75,000+ he receives from the health industry. and orrin hatch is no idealogue. he worked with ted kennedy for SCHIP, and that was true bipartisanship. this reform they want is as partisan as it gets.
xXMFxColBruch 2 years ago
Orin, Health Care is already rationed by faceless, nameless bureaucrats motivated by profit. Hatch is making up facts here, he is perhaps the most unethical of them all. Utah would be in dire straights if not for Hill Air Force Base, Dugway, Chemical and Biological Weapons, NASA, Micheal Army Airfield. The Utah economy is dependent on the Federal Government, it is very amusing to here Utahn's bemoan the federal government, their state legislature is the joke.
zaurakdigis 2 years ago 30
A joke compared to what? The federal government? Hahahahaha, your pretty funny.
TheSilencer1313 2 years ago
@zaurakdigis first of all, its Orrin, also my name, and second, how'd u like it if i called u but? yah, u dont like it, so dont mess with Orrins.
CodyPuff 1 year ago
@CodyPuff i spelled wrong on purpose, you should know why.
CodyPuff 1 year ago
@CodyPuff the stuff spelled wrong are the words on the first paragraph, if anyone didnt know that, and some of this stuff.
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CodyPuff 1 year ago
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CodyPuff 1 year ago
@CodyPuff , Do you have anything coherent to say? I called him no names. He was a cheerleader through deficit spending the Republicans did. Bush added about 7 trillion to national debt.
zaurakdigis 1 year ago
@zaurakdigis
Orrin Snatch is pulling numbers out of his ass. I'd like to see him grilled on what kind of health insurance HE has....and why other people shouldn't have it as good.
Hereticbooks 1 year ago
@Hereticbooks He is indeed a greedy, selfish and power hungry son of a bitch. He could give a flying fuck about the hard working citizens that like to save and live a decent lifestyle simultaneously. He had the damn nerve to defend oil execs just yesterday(keep the campaign funds coming).
kevinjones238 8 months ago
@kevinjones238
We have far too many of these assholes in the House and Senate. Especially within the Republican party.
Hereticbooks 8 months ago 2
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Wow this video is labeled Sanders smacks down Hatch? I would say Hatch smacked down Sanders! Pointing out that this leads to more expansion of government and also pointing out that the government has unlimited resources and funding to compete with private healthcare corporations.
It will eradicate all private healthcare, and will continue this countries traditions of providing a "Nanny State"!
But don't worry, we all know how much Americans love being coddled by the government. ;-)
TheSilencer1313 2 years ago
Well one thing's for sure. The multinational corporations will NOT coddle you. They are too busy shipping jobs overseas to care about you the US citizen. Enjoy your declining standard of living: lower wages, higher energy prices,etc. And a government that is run of, by and for the multinationals. Good choice--NOT!
Paolo7219 2 years ago 25
Enjoy my declining standard of living huh. It was Al Gore's greedy little carcass that shoved NAFTA and GATT down or throats, that sent millions if not billions of jobs overseas since the mid-90's.
And I believe it was Obama that cap and trade being passed would skyrocket energy costs, so please Mr President sign the Copenhagen Treaty. And please Nancy Pelosi keep shoving healthcare reform that the nation can't pay for down our throats, because this nation seems to love communism.
TheSilencer1313 2 years ago
Yep, Clinton/Gore is responsible for NAFTA. I knew Gore was wrong back then--as now. What did Bush do re NAFTA? Nothing. Both parties are beholden to the big banks and big corporations.There are over 13,500 registered lobyyists in DC. This is why we have the government we have. Billions of jobs? There are only 300 million people in the whole country,btw. The US has THE most expensive system in the world. For-profit insurance companies merely dump policyholders. AETNA just dropped 600,000 people.
Paolo7219 2 years ago
Oh I definitely agree with you there, and I have no allegiance to any political party. I'm a strict constitutionalist.
Sorry about the billions comment, that was obviously way overboard.
For me, there is no debate for healthcare reform. Our system is not the most expensive in the world solely on the insurance companies mind you. It's also Big Pharma, all realms of the food industry (excluding organic), not to mention the fore-mentioned lobbyed politicians.
TheSilencer1313 2 years ago
I agree. This country needs a third, fourth, even a fifth political party system. The ONLY way, in my view, is to take away the powerbase from the current two parties. Who really aren't much different in alot of ways. We have to MAKE them resposive to the voter,the only way they understand--booting them from office.
Paolo7219 2 years ago
I agree as well, but it won't happen in a plurality election system. Duverger's Law states that plurality ultimately leads to a two-party system.
HomelyCooking 2 years ago
orrin hatch has always been an ideological scum bag. (i am not talking about conservative, i am talking about a lying s.o.b.
gggreggg 2 years ago
I agree with jvinga1. The biggest reward this country would get from something like a public option is the ability for the poor to afford PREVENTATIVE care, which, over time, would reduce the need for incidental care and costly operations. If we're really interested in addressing this problem at its roots, we need to get people of all income levels access to good preventative care.
scbluesman13 2 years ago
i like how republicans look totally baffled whenever they're faced with a progressive who stands up to their bullshit.
mwells219 2 years ago
As an Australian watching this I simply cannot believe the guy on the left of screen has been to school. Has he heard of the rest of the world? Does he know that there exists a life outside of his narrow and ignorant Republican brain?
The fact of the matter is: America spends twice as much as any other developed country on healthcare and gets worst results. America runs on a private system, the rest of the developed World runs on a public system. Half the price, and better. Grow up Republicans
sifpotboza 2 years ago
You really think that Bernie was one who made sense here? You HAVE to be kidding. He says a "Public Option" is NOT a government run system? He really thinks it would compete on a level playing field? What a joke. By the way, they've been trying a government-run system to provide "universal healthcare" for the entire state of Maine for over 5 years and it's been a complete failure. Look up "Dirigo" and find out the facts. Insurance rates there skyrocketed (private AND public).
jvinga1 2 years ago
That's simply a reflection upon how the system was implemented. It is not a reflection upon the principle and theory of a government run healthcare system. Look at the rest of the democratized world. It's simple and it works. We have too much money in our systems and running Healthcare with private interests involved gums up the works. Just make it a non-profit interest.
genxtargetmarket 2 years ago
Disagree. If after 5 years it's only gotten worse, then it's more likely that it's because it's based on unsound prinicples. Even the people who run it have pretty much admitted that it was a failed experiment and can't be fixed or ever meet it's initial lofty goals. Private insurance needs regulated, not run out of business by massive government plans which will always be inefficient. Besides 2 billion in new taxes certainly won't help the situation. Foolish power hungry politicians.
jvinga1 2 years ago
I disagree. I'm an American that lives in France; the country that is ranked #1 (as opposed to #37) in HealthCare (HC). It is illegal for private insurers to provide basic HC due to the exact things that are plaguing America. All of the E.U. countries have the same law & it's effective. One can get addt'l. insurance for things like spiffy glasses, tooth whitening, etc.
The argument of it being an unsound principle dissolves in the face of the fact that it works wherever it has been implemented.
genxtargetmarket 2 years ago
Right. Poor people who can't afford life saving surgeries should die in the streets. Private america needs a proverbial spanking by a progressive democratic government emapthetic to the needs of the people and not the almighty dollar. Unless you want society to slowly crumble.
mwells219 2 years ago
Societies crumble when citizens turn more and more of their lives over to a nanny state, who, in turn, has to take more and more of the people's money in a power-hungry grab. Turning over 1/6th of our economy to the federal government is a recipie for corruption and disaster when we should be fixing the existing system to make it affordable to all, especially the poor. Conservatives are sometimes baffled by liberals, but not for the reasons you think! ;-)
jvinga1 2 years ago
Like I said the poor who can't afford health care don't deserve it and should die in the streets. Why have social empathy when we can turn into a society like India or Brazil with slums full of the absolute poor. That will be great for America.
mwells219 2 years ago
You miss my point. You don't have to become socialist to take care of the poor. In fact, even with our current system, which is in horrible shape and needs major changes, we still don't deny life-saving care to anyone. Ever heard of indigent care? Well, there would be a whole lot less of it if we could make insurance more affordable to lower and lower levels of income earners.
jvinga1 2 years ago
I am outraged at how government officials that are supposed to be intelligent can spread such blatant disinformation about the positive possibilities of a public option. Americans are believing these lies. If run properly a public option can save us billions and ensure better care for more citizens. Mr. Hatch kept saying that a public option would be bureaucrats deciding what care to ration out to us. Well what in the freaking hell do you think that insurance companies do?
tuffgrrrrl 2 years ago
I've always been a supporter of Bernie Sanders.
He is not afraid to tell it like it is.
He's a good man.
cordaleme 2 years ago
Here's a prime example of government incompetence.
They knew H1N1 could be be a big problem 8 months ago. Knowing that, they never prepared enough vaccinations and are flagellating over themselves in producing the vaccinations.
These are the people you want to entrust your health care needs to???
foxsecret 2 years ago
Corporate America is the one who has brainwashed all of you right wing morons. The idea that you cite so called facts from Fox shows how brainwashed YOU are!
70road 2 years ago 2
Unemployment just hit 10.2%....16 million are out of work....HOW"S THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING FOR YA!
foxsecret 2 years ago
Things take time, conny. And of course the unemployment rate went up, the stimulus was watered down because Obama was too worried about bipartisanship. As for your ridiculous crap about how much the rich pay in taxes, may I have a source? They would actually then pay less than they're supposed to if your stats are accurate, they own almost 65% of the wealth (source: Common Dreams).
lamborger 2 years ago
The total cost of the stimulus is 1.2 trillion dollars when interest is factored in. Then another 150 billion was added as a bribe to get the so called blue dogs to join in. Look where were at now...10.2% and rising. Looks like you trickle down poverty is working. That's what I call spreading misery equally.
I don't know how bad things have to be before you see the light...however, you being a true proletarian, maybe all this economic misery is good in your eyes.
foxsecret 2 years ago
So the rich own 65% of the money huh? Let's finish your statement that they also pay 86% of the tax burden.
let's break it down for you in income taxes alone.
Top 1% pay 40.42%
Top 5% pay 60.63%
Top 10% pay 71.22%
Top 25% pay 86.59%
Top 50% pay 97.11%
Bottom 50% pay 2.89%
Seems to me they are paying more then their hefty share. How about getting off your ass and doing something and quit being a"freeloader".
btw here's your source: national tax payers union
foxsecret 2 years ago
The National Tax Payer's Union? They have an agenda, they have even stated it. They want a flat tax. Thus, their numbers are subject to moot. The middle class actually pays most of the taxes according to government stats (you know, the people who COLLECT the taxes). Plus, the top 5%ers can hide money in fancy off shore accounts. And just so you know the people really working are not in the top 5%. Sorry to inconvenience you.
lamborger 2 years ago
I don't care how much money the rich have, Obama is a millionaire..do you want to take more of his money? What about Michael Moore?
foxsecret 2 years ago
"what do you have to show that socialized medicine is so wonderful?"
Where do I begin?
According to Harvard, 45,000 people a year die of preventable causes due to lack of insurance, how many in France? Zero.
According to Journal of American Medical Association (anti-"socialized medicine" group) the British have less of every disease than Americans do (even though they have more of every risk factor). In fact, even poor Brits are healthier than middle class Americans (class affects health).
lamborger 2 years ago 2
Continued.
According to Harvard, half of all American bankruptcies are because of medical bills. The number in Canada? Zero.
How many claims did Cigna deny in California ONLY? 34%. Medicare? 5%. Kaiser Permanente was near 40%. Source: California Nurses Association.
lamborger 2 years ago
Medicare deny claims 6.5% the nearest insurance company is 6.2% I can't remember which company off the top my head BUT it's not 34%-40%.
Of course it's California so you have to factor in the illegal aliens trying to soak this system at our expense.
foxsecret 2 years ago
Medicare can't drop people from their roll anytime they want, they must cover EVERYONE, private insurance can drop anyone they want and in that study (done by AMA) it doesn't take that into account. It also doesn't take into account the fact that private insurers can redline (not enroll people if they're sick) Medicare must enroll EVERYONE. The numbers are simply bullshit. As my stats teacher told me, "If you look for something, you will find it." AMA has been against Medicare since it came out.
lamborger 2 years ago
Plus, there was a nine day sample (out of a whole year) and there was a sample of that sample (what a sham!). Also, the big industries were given the red carpet treatment with research, Humana was even allowed to report their own "findings." AND the research was only for COST DENIALS, not procedural denials, Medicare cost denials are overturned regularly (they decide to pay after initially rejecting but allowing the procedure) while private industry overturns are rare.
lamborger 2 years ago
Humana...Government has forced a gag order on them...where's that in the Constitution???
If you want to lower insurance dramatically??? Then open up to all the companies in the country. My auto insurance is based in Texas but I can't get health insurance from Arizona because by law I must get insurance in the state I live in now why is that? Wonder why health insurance is so expensive? It's called artificial barriers that the government throws in the way. Geeez...
foxsecret 2 years ago
Those EVIL insurance companies!
How about his...read the contract to find out what you are covered under and what not. It's not hard...it may take some time. By law if it's in the insurance policy they have to cover it, if they decline then they can be taken to court.
In the old Soviet Union everyone had medical insurance be not everyone got coverage. So because everyone is covered under medicare doesn't mean they will get treated. because more and more doctors are declining medicare.
foxsecret 2 years ago
...Continued
So because doctors only get 30% on every dollar of reimbursement from medicare they drop it and I don't blame them.
What you want do is expand this BS and force it one everyone and you are willing to give the government the power to do so.
Can't make your own decisions so government has make them for you? This is why I question those who are educated but will surrender their freedoms to the government. You haven't given any moral justification except tearing private companies.
foxsecret 2 years ago
"So because doctors only get 30% on every dollar of reimbursement from medicare they drop it and I don't blame them. "
If this is true, then why do Medicare patients have such an easy time finding a doctor? Much easier than their privately insured counterparts. According to the Commonwealth Fund, 45% of privately insured patients reported problems accessing medical care compared to just 18% of Medicare patients.
lamborger 2 years ago 2
If Canadians are so well taken care then how come they come to the US by the hundreds of thousands to get medical treatment? And they pay for it too. last year over 200,000 thousand brits came to the US for medical treatment. How many went to Britain? Noe that we heard of.
If 45,000 die a year that's Bull-shovick. In the this country it's by law to treat someone if they have insurance or not. No one can be turned away. Did you hear of that?
foxsecret 2 years ago
Yes, I did, and so did Harvard, that's why they reported the findings. Where did you get that number about the Canadians? LOL, I'm done with you, your primary "factual" source is your ass (common among conservatives). What the fuck is an "itchy ear" source? There are facts and there are lies, your numbers are the latter, mine are the former (I gave you the sources to see for yourself).
lamborger 2 years ago
Yes, indeed Medicare has handled inflation better than the private insurance industry (though both have been dealing with inflation over the last decades). According to MSNBC, the private industry has had inflation of over 600% since the early 1980's while Medicare has had only 512% (a lot, but still less than the private industry).
lamborger 2 years ago
You can pull all the sources out your ass you want but none of them justifies forcing socialized medicine on everyone. Goes against our freedoms and would be unconstitutional for the federal government to do so.
Show me in the Constitution where it justifies will you? Your an educated man hell bent on sources so wheres your source to giver government the power to power to control our medical industry?
foxsecret 2 years ago
I don't cite sources and facts anymore to liberals. They are too brainwashed which is why they are proletarians. Worship a the alter of Marx and not even know it.
It's a cult of personality. Even the gulag prisoners wept when they heard of Stalin's death. They thought Stalin was their hero and their protector...were they wrong.
Just like you...think big government is your hero and want to force it on the rest of us.
I bet you have "imagine" by john Lennon looping inside your head all day.
foxsecret 2 years ago
Where in the Constitution does it say the government doesn't have the power to offer you a choice between private health care and a National Health Service (not that thats on on the table) and as for Hatch's remarks about 'faceless officials' who does he think staffs the private companies? Not even getting started on the 'doctors' employed and given bonuses to find ways to either deny people coverage or deny them their cover after they've been treated.
RedNProud 2 years ago
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Doesn't state the federal government can do such. Did you read the tenth amendment?
Amendment X
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
the Constitution limits the federal government not give it unlimited power.
Who cares about "faceless" people in the insurance companies. That's irrelevant.
foxsecret 2 years ago
I don't buy your assertion that doctors and insurance companies exist just to deny people coverage. That's being paranoid. I laid on my death bed and my insurance covered. My special needs kid laid her death bed and t he insurance covered. My insurance has forked out over 400 grand between the two us.
There are times we have to wrestle with co-payments but we have been taken care. Plus, I made decisions in life to facilitate our health cover needs.
foxsecret 2 years ago
So I didn't sit around and vote Democrat expecting them to take someones money to pay for my health coverage.
How about changing laws allowing insurance companies to sell to anyone to any state in the country for starts. I have auto insurance out of state but cannot get health insurance out of state. Sup with that?
How about removing these artificial barriers so insurance cost can come down. Rather destroy peoples reputations who you know nothing about in attacking insurance companies.
foxsecret 2 years ago
Foxsecret whatever bullshit caricature you may pour there is one simple fact :
In most western countries there's a centralised social security runned by governments, and it works better than your privatised system.
GuiR3X 2 years ago
If private insurance companies are so efficient, go to the Gulf Coast and ask the victims of Katrina why many of them are still living in containers. Because their insurance companies found excuses to deny paying them. And these are the people you trust to look after you if you should ever need medical attention? And just because many people don't happen to agree with you doesn't make them "Communists". Or have you forgotten something called the First Amendment?
MrChesterarthur08 2 years ago
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Well, Bernie sounded like a typical liberal. Full of passion but completely irrelevant.
It goes to show, now matter how extreme someone may be. As long as they are passionate, they can attract a gullible mass because they know how to play to their feelings.
That's what liberalism is...it seduces you through feelings rather then principle.
foxsecret 2 years ago
to accusate a politician for beeing passionate doesnt make them wrong and irrelevant. He is right; the health of the people is not a matter of money hungering insurance companies, it should be a right for every person and therefore it is vital that the government takes its responsibility and handle the public health-care..!
Folkesson 2 years ago
The US insurance cartel only wants young and healthy customers,hopefully they stay well until they reach 65 and then these morons can dump them on the GOVERNMENT FUNDED SYSTEM so they give themselves even bigger bonuses!
niggerizationofusa22 2 years ago 2
Does anyone else see the irony in someone who works for the government saying the government doesn't work? Just sayin'.
lamborger 2 years ago
When government steps beyond it's Constitutional bounds then it becomes irrelevant or "doesn't work" because "We the people" provide for ourselves better then what government can do. This nation did not become so well off because of top down thinking, it was the American people who did the hard work and sacrifice. I'm not about to throw all of that away in the name of socialism.
foxsecret 2 years ago
Sanders is a socialists. Socialism SUCKS to high heaven. It's a losing proposition that sucks people of their money and take away their freedoms.
foxsecret 2 years ago
orifice hatch.
swankrecords 2 years ago
Republirats have no health care plan so they need to shut up!
padude64 2 years ago 2