Dont know what all the fuss is about counter steering. Everybody who rides a bicycle or a motorcycle is doing it all the time. They just dont realise it. Its the only way possible to steer a bike.
@ianmillward1 no bro its not natural .... when your moving at low speeds you dont need to use counter steering at all to turn..... counter steering comes into action only when your taking a corner at high speed... on a cycle you usually are slow and you dont use counter steering.. when you want to turn left you pul the left handle bar... but in countersteering to turn left you push the left handle bar
@r3No1 I think he knows what hes doing. Is the title of this video:
HOW TO DO EVERYTHING 100% CORRECT ON A MOTORCYCLE??? Nope.
He is showing how to counter steer, not how to ride a motorcycle. And you dont need to turn your head and look where your going in order to counter steer. Nice try though.
This concept is over thought and cannot be described if the person is not on a bike. It like trying to explain how far you should turn the wheel to make a turn in a car. You will figure it out. Get on the bike get up to 20mph and try to swerve around a cone. Just remember, push right go right, push left go left. Your natural instinct will take over from there. GO RIDE A BIKE!!!
@apachewarrior45 true, It's in your instinct and when you actually do it you feel it, my friend asked me the other day how to do this which I've not even heard of, after rolling a few clips from youtube, man...my mind was fucked :(
@TigerClaws12894 Yes, many people don't know that they are doing it, even though they are. It seems kind of strange to me that even though it happens on a bicycle at a high enough speed, even people who ride bicycles can freak out on a motorcycle when it happens. I was teaching a brother how to ride a motorcycle when I was 16, and even though he rode bicycles he was freaking out that the motorcycle was going the opposite of where he thought he was steering. We ended the lesson, and he never rode
Great video by the way. Just to reiterate, the reason for the countersteer is purely to make the bike lean, *not* to get it to turn. As this video shows very well, that initial push actually makes it turn the "wrong" way, but that's required to get the bike leaning the "right" way. When you relax pressure the front tyre will naturally "flop" into the turn exactly as much as needed. At low speeds the lean is small and the steering can't flop fast enough, that's why people get the wrong idea.
@101DriftingLord After initiating the lean via the countersteer, just relax pressure on the bar you are pushing. The geometry of the bike, frictional forces, and other nice things all then do the work of bringing the front tyre to exactly the turn angle (INTO the turn) required for that particular speed and lean angle. You push the, say, right bar to get the bike leaned to the right. The more you push, the more it leans. Push too far and the bike will fall over to the right.
@101DriftingLord No, that would be two actions. It only takes one action. You push on one side of the bar, it goes the direction it's pushed very briefly, then goes the opposite way. The whole time all you did was push one direction, just like in the video. It's just one action on your part until it's time to stop turning, though the bike does two actions. The first one is so brief that you won't even notice it at all probably. Look at the full speed part of the video, it happens very quickly.
@dantama35 if you push to turn right, you turn left, do you keep the bars in that position to keep the turn, go back to center, or move the bars along with the turn? i plan on getting a bike but this is the only thing that makes no sense and videos seem to contradict each other saying, you keep it in the opposite direction and saying you do one of the others
@DaBurntToaster If you initiate the turn and hold steady pressure, you'll keep turning. If you increase the pressure, you'll turn sharper. If you let off pressure, you'll start to straighten out. If you've ridden bicycles at a fairly fast clip, you've already been doing it naturally.
@101DriftingLord You only make one motion, and the bike does the rest on its own. In this video I push on the right bar only. The bike goes briefly to the left(what pushing the right bar "should" do, like if you were pushing it in your garage), and then it goes to the right on its own with me still pushing on the right bar. The bike/front wheel did two actions with only one input at the bars.
This is an excellent explanation and illustration of push-steering (I don't like to call it counter steering). There is a ton of misinformation out there but this video gets it right.
You don't really have a choice in the matter. At a certain speed (jogging speed) it is the only way a bike steers. For many people it feels natural, and they don't even realize that they are doing it differently at very slow speeds vs a higher speed.
If a person rode bicycles fast as a kid, it's so intuitive that they don't notice it.
If it isn't intuitive, it freaks some people out when the bike goes the opposite direction of where they think they are steering it.
@dantama35 counter steering happens at all speeds down to the lowest. Pull to a stop. Just before you are about to stop steer to the right just enough to be sure you'll stop on your left foot. The bike leaned to the left because you counter steered to the right. It did that at 1 or 2 miles per hour. Steering is counter steering 100% of the time. It doesn't always feel that way.
@motormanmagoo You use a different terminology than the experts, or what logic would dictate.
The "Counter" part is because the bike goes the opposite direction from what is steered. When stopped, pulling the right bar steers the bike to the right. Doing the same at walking speed also steers to the right. Pull the right bar when going a little faster and you go to the left. Having it go the "wrong" way, is "Counter". It doesn't go counter at low speeds. It goes where it is steered.
@GibsonElectricI The narrator in the video he sent made it sound like you push one direction, then steer the other direction into the turn. It isn't a two step process. The bike goes one way, then the other, but the rider is giving one input, not two. That is why I put the still photos in my video, and used only one hand on the bars with fingers up. I could not push and pull. I could only use one input, pushing. When the tire went one way, then the other, it was all with only a push.
@Gibson The geometry of the front end pushes back. You push right go right, to continue the turn you need to push enough to overcome it's push back. Stop pushing and the bike will straighten back out. You can end the turn quicker by pushing opposite, but you can't continue the turn pushing opposite. If comfortable, you can prove it by using only one hand, only push, no pull Faster= more noticeable. In a right turn a push left brings you back quicker, and then turns left. Alternate pushes to see
this is the first vid ive seen on this topic and the best of them trying to explaine countersteering ,you did a nice job of it ,still i would loved you to take the hands compleetly of the bars so that people culd see what you mean tho you explain it on still pic ,but just to show that its not dangerus. i loved it and try to see more of your vids.*****
nice vid, most of the vids use sport bikes, and though the I know the physics are the same, but still nice to see what a cruiser such as this (which is a bit bigger then mine.) looks like
Nice, this is an excellent demonstration of countersteering! I like the way you broke it down into steps, very clear, and very obvious movements of the bike.
As far as I have experienced, a certain amount of force is needed to overcome the geometry of the steering to a certain degree. If you want to turn sharper, you need to hold more force. If you want to turn less sharp, use less force.
To go around a circle you would hold the same amount of force all the way around.
Dont know what all the fuss is about counter steering. Everybody who rides a bicycle or a motorcycle is doing it all the time. They just dont realise it. Its the only way possible to steer a bike.
ianmillward1 1 week ago
@ianmillward1 no bro its not natural .... when your moving at low speeds you dont need to use counter steering at all to turn..... counter steering comes into action only when your taking a corner at high speed... on a cycle you usually are slow and you dont use counter steering.. when you want to turn left you pul the left handle bar... but in countersteering to turn left you push the left handle bar
sudarsan7532 1 day ago
TURN YOUR HEAD!
Look where you are going. Missed that one buddy
r3No1 1 month ago
@r3No1 I think he knows what hes doing. Is the title of this video:
HOW TO DO EVERYTHING 100% CORRECT ON A MOTORCYCLE??? Nope.
He is showing how to counter steer, not how to ride a motorcycle. And you dont need to turn your head and look where your going in order to counter steer. Nice try though.
xxsekoxx 1 week ago
invesco!
MagicTurdd 1 month ago
@MagicTurdd You beat me to it! i was thinking i was the only one that noticed. haha
xxsekoxx 1 week ago
i get it!
27Mussolini 4 months ago
This concept is over thought and cannot be described if the person is not on a bike. It like trying to explain how far you should turn the wheel to make a turn in a car. You will figure it out. Get on the bike get up to 20mph and try to swerve around a cone. Just remember, push right go right, push left go left. Your natural instinct will take over from there. GO RIDE A BIKE!!!
Pwmarshall 5 months ago
YOu may need a new camera. Video runs at like 10 frames per second, but could still see what was going on. :)
IThinkBeyond 6 months ago
great video
markj15062 7 months ago
no need to learn this at all dude, you just do it
apachewarrior45 8 months ago
@apachewarrior45 true, It's in your instinct and when you actually do it you feel it, my friend asked me the other day how to do this which I've not even heard of, after rolling a few clips from youtube, man...my mind was fucked :(
TigerClaws12894 7 months ago
@TigerClaws12894 Yes, many people don't know that they are doing it, even though they are. It seems kind of strange to me that even though it happens on a bicycle at a high enough speed, even people who ride bicycles can freak out on a motorcycle when it happens. I was teaching a brother how to ride a motorcycle when I was 16, and even though he rode bicycles he was freaking out that the motorcycle was going the opposite of where he thought he was steering. We ended the lesson, and he never rode
dantama35 7 months ago
Great video by the way. Just to reiterate, the reason for the countersteer is purely to make the bike lean, *not* to get it to turn. As this video shows very well, that initial push actually makes it turn the "wrong" way, but that's required to get the bike leaning the "right" way. When you relax pressure the front tyre will naturally "flop" into the turn exactly as much as needed. At low speeds the lean is small and the steering can't flop fast enough, that's why people get the wrong idea.
allmhuran 9 months ago
@101DriftingLord After initiating the lean via the countersteer, just relax pressure on the bar you are pushing. The geometry of the bike, frictional forces, and other nice things all then do the work of bringing the front tyre to exactly the turn angle (INTO the turn) required for that particular speed and lean angle. You push the, say, right bar to get the bike leaned to the right. The more you push, the more it leans. Push too far and the bike will fall over to the right.
allmhuran 9 months ago
@101DriftingLord No, that would be two actions. It only takes one action. You push on one side of the bar, it goes the direction it's pushed very briefly, then goes the opposite way. The whole time all you did was push one direction, just like in the video. It's just one action on your part until it's time to stop turning, though the bike does two actions. The first one is so brief that you won't even notice it at all probably. Look at the full speed part of the video, it happens very quickly.
dantama35 10 months ago 2
@dantama35 if you push to turn right, you turn left, do you keep the bars in that position to keep the turn, go back to center, or move the bars along with the turn? i plan on getting a bike but this is the only thing that makes no sense and videos seem to contradict each other saying, you keep it in the opposite direction and saying you do one of the others
DaBurntToaster 7 months ago
@DaBurntToaster If you initiate the turn and hold steady pressure, you'll keep turning. If you increase the pressure, you'll turn sharper. If you let off pressure, you'll start to straighten out. If you've ridden bicycles at a fairly fast clip, you've already been doing it naturally.
dantama35 7 months ago
@101DriftingLord You only make one motion, and the bike does the rest on its own. In this video I push on the right bar only. The bike goes briefly to the left(what pushing the right bar "should" do, like if you were pushing it in your garage), and then it goes to the right on its own with me still pushing on the right bar. The bike/front wheel did two actions with only one input at the bars.
dantama35 10 months ago
This is an excellent explanation and illustration of push-steering (I don't like to call it counter steering). There is a ton of misinformation out there but this video gets it right.
Weaseltube 10 months ago
very good in showing the bike in slow motion...i liked this one alot.
harley6000 1 year ago
what is the purpose of this countersteering
franian77 1 year ago
@franian77
You don't really have a choice in the matter. At a certain speed (jogging speed) it is the only way a bike steers. For many people it feels natural, and they don't even realize that they are doing it differently at very slow speeds vs a higher speed.
If a person rode bicycles fast as a kid, it's so intuitive that they don't notice it.
If it isn't intuitive, it freaks some people out when the bike goes the opposite direction of where they think they are steering it.
dantama35 1 year ago
@dantama35 counter steering happens at all speeds down to the lowest. Pull to a stop. Just before you are about to stop steer to the right just enough to be sure you'll stop on your left foot. The bike leaned to the left because you counter steered to the right. It did that at 1 or 2 miles per hour. Steering is counter steering 100% of the time. It doesn't always feel that way.
motormanmagoo 1 year ago
@motormanmagoo You use a different terminology than the experts, or what logic would dictate.
The "Counter" part is because the bike goes the opposite direction from what is steered. When stopped, pulling the right bar steers the bike to the right. Doing the same at walking speed also steers to the right. Pull the right bar when going a little faster and you go to the left. Having it go the "wrong" way, is "Counter". It doesn't go counter at low speeds. It goes where it is steered.
dantama35 1 year ago
it's more like an inversed steering like we call it in french
btw, it's the best video i've seen about countersteering
War10ck1004 1 year ago
Dan where is the video of you in the skateboard park that was filmed during daylight hours? That's a really good one.
ridemslow 1 year ago
@ridemslow I took it down once to put up a different edit, and then lost the new edit. I'll get it up again sometime. Thanks for the reminder.
dantama35 1 year ago
Is that the Dallas Cowboys Stadium?
streetjoe5000 1 year ago
@streetjoe5000 Denver Broncos
dantama35 1 year ago
@GibsonElectricI Exactly. Above a brisk walking speed, that is exactly how it works.
dantama35 1 year ago
@GibsonElectricI The narrator in the video he sent made it sound like you push one direction, then steer the other direction into the turn. It isn't a two step process. The bike goes one way, then the other, but the rider is giving one input, not two. That is why I put the still photos in my video, and used only one hand on the bars with fingers up. I could not push and pull. I could only use one input, pushing. When the tire went one way, then the other, it was all with only a push.
dantama35 1 year ago
@Gibson The geometry of the front end pushes back. You push right go right, to continue the turn you need to push enough to overcome it's push back. Stop pushing and the bike will straighten back out. You can end the turn quicker by pushing opposite, but you can't continue the turn pushing opposite. If comfortable, you can prove it by using only one hand, only push, no pull Faster= more noticeable. In a right turn a push left brings you back quicker, and then turns left. Alternate pushes to see
dantama35 1 year ago
this is the first vid ive seen on this topic and the best of them trying to explaine countersteering ,you did a nice job of it ,still i would loved you to take the hands compleetly of the bars so that people culd see what you mean tho you explain it on still pic ,but just to show that its not dangerus. i loved it and try to see more of your vids.*****
transdetendal 1 year ago
nice vid, most of the vids use sport bikes, and though the I know the physics are the same, but still nice to see what a cruiser such as this (which is a bit bigger then mine.) looks like
DFX2K9 1 year ago
@DFX2K9
A troll came through and posted a few trollish comments. I didn't notice them for a few weeks, I apologize. He's been banned.
dantama35 1 year ago
now i understund ;D
Sarrgil28 1 year ago
Awesome ! Good explanation and video caption. Thank you !
ki1600 2 years ago
Straight, clear, and brief; unlike all of the other clowns on here spending 5+ mins to demonstrate this simple, but crucial concept. Kudos.
digitalcubano 2 years ago
i still dont understand
panamera 2 years ago
very good vid - cheers man
LordInksworth 2 years ago
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MDINHI 2 years ago
one of the best, if not the bes vid about the subject!!! thanks bro!!
ninogalleta1987 2 years ago
Nice, this is an excellent demonstration of countersteering! I like the way you broke it down into steps, very clear, and very obvious movements of the bike.
IanJSeattle 2 years ago
best counter-steering how-to video ever.
oCannabusdriver 2 years ago 8
Excellent demostation of what a lot of bikers can't get their heads around
r1wantone 2 years ago
totally get it now! thx!
chankahaha 2 years ago
I understand counter-steering but i have one question still remaining.
When the bike starts it's leaning to the right, do you continue pushing with your right hand to the same degree?
supernaut834 2 years ago
As far as I have experienced, a certain amount of force is needed to overcome the geometry of the steering to a certain degree. If you want to turn sharper, you need to hold more force. If you want to turn less sharp, use less force.
To go around a circle you would hold the same amount of force all the way around.
dantama35 2 years ago
Cheers mate :)
supernaut834 2 years ago