Mother Tynnetta Muhammad - Iblis, the Brown Germ

[haroon19able]

"Yes my Sister, been inspired for years by the teachings of the Honourable Elijah Muhammad, the Honourable Louis Farakhan and the Mighty Nation Of Islam".....by gRaF gUrU: Haroon X, the Visual terrorist!

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@DRXCIX Part ...10

I find you people amusing and entertaining. I enjoy quickly exposing the countless lies you people tell. You people are not use to dealing with someone with higher education and intelligence.

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@DRXCIX Part ...11 Most NOI members are not very well educated. In fact, the eschatology of the NOI dictates that one would have to be gullible or naive to believe the myths and fairytales presented to them. From its very inception, Fard wanted total buffoons, whereas he could look like a rocket scientist to them. Better yet, a GOD to them.

[resumebwd]

I’m amazed and flabbergasted at how thousands of grown people can devote their lives to nonsense that have been proven to be a “crop of lies”. Maybe that’s a part of the cultist teachings, of using reverse psychology on its members into believing that everybody else are psychotic and have mental issues, and NOI cult members live in the real world. But of course, we who live in the real world know better.

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Originalman320 is a coward!

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@DRXCIX

Wallie D Ford, Wallei D Ford, W D Ford, W D Fard, Wallace D Ford, Wallace D Fard, Wallace Dodd Ford, Wallie Dodd Fard, Fred Dodd, David Ford-el, Professor Ford, Wali Farad, Wallace Fard Muhammad, and "Master" Fard Muhammad are just a few of the 58 aliases of WALI DODD FARD an ex-convict who founded the Nation of Islam. Professor “Ford” is the alias the FBI used to link Wallace D Fard back to Wallace D Ford.

[DRXCIX]

@resumebwd All of that & your point is??

Your original statement was "the NOI is a growing cult of misguided, misinformed, gullible buffoons....united by lies, myths, & fairy-tales". So much fury & vitriol; All of this tirade against the NOI & here you are spending your precious time on NOI sites & researching the NOI. Reasonable people would be concerned for you. Only psychotics, sadomasochists & people with mental issues carry on this way. I hope you find peace - you seem troubled. Peace.

[resumebwd]

@DRXCIX This is too good to be true; And you’re not psychotic for believing that God had to be bailed out of jail, not once, but on 3 different occasions. And after God’s 3rd release, he was not only told to leave the country, but “ordered” out of the country by the United States Gov’t. and “Do Not Return”. And by the admission of Elijah himself, he has not been “SEEN OR HEARD FROM SINCE”. And you got the audacity to call someone “psychotic”. LMAO!!!

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@DRXCIX

This is fun to me. I find you buffoons and morons totally hilarious.

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@DRXCIX

These two women didn’t even know each other, lived worlds apart, but described Fard in the same way. Hazel, when he told her his name was Wallace D. Ford, Clara when he told her his name was Wallace D. Fard.

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Other characteristics of the photo of Fard is his black hair, protruding ears, uniquely shaped dark eyebrows, very long nose (nothing like the fat, round nose painted by Elijah’s grandson), small chin and the distinct mole on the right side of his nostril. Remember, Clara Muhammad said Master Fard looked like a poor “white man” with a tan. Hazel Ford described him as having the complexion of a dark skinned Mexican with “Caucasian” features.

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@DRXCIX Also, on page 20 of this newspaper, a photo of Wallace D. Fard is shown of him with two detectives. And it is the same man in all the prison photos when he was using the alias "Wallace D. Ford". When I fist saw it, I thought it was just another photo of Wallace Ford, until I read the footage that stated, "Wallace Fard explains the workings of his cult".

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@DRXCIX The Freedom of Information Act is a federal freedom of information law that allows for the full or partial disclosure of previously unreleased information and “documents”. If you want the actual source this information was “documented” from, it is The Detroit Free Press newspaper. In November of 1932, the newspaper featured an article on its front page on Wallace Fard and his “voodoo” cult where he is described as a “Fanatical Fakir” preying on the gullible blacks of Detroit.

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@DRXCIX part …4

You are a typical NOI member. You all will lie, twist, distort and stomp on the truth to make that NOI crap look credible. That’s why it is very important for anybody replying back to you people to know what they’re talking about. If not, the uninformed replier won’t know how to counter the web of lies you people will tell at any cost.

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@DRXCIX part …5

You for example, who try to sound humble and credible to your approach to telling lies, commented a while back that “...NOI has minimal to no record of violence in it's history”. THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LKE.

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@DRXCIX part …6

The NOI’s past is full of violence as far back as its inception in the 1930s, beginning with encouraged ritual murders. NOI mostly killed or committed serious bodily harm to members who no longer wanted to be members, or they killed people in a perverted sense that they were pleasing Elijah. The NOI gunned down Malcolm X, an unarmed man in the presence of his wife and young children.

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@DRXCIX part …7

NOI murdered the whole family of Bro. Ernest 2x McGee, an ex member, including his 9-day old grandbaby because of what NOI higher-ups on the totem pole, considered derogatory statements he made about “Master” Fard and Elijah. The only reason they did not kill him is because he was not home during the time of the massacre.

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@DRXCIX part …8

In early Jan 1971, 8 members of the Philadelphia Mosque under the leadership of Bro. Robert X Mims robbed Dubrows Furniture Store after the owners refused extortion demands. During the robbery, one customer was killed, another burned, and several customers tortured. Violence and organized crime was a way of life for the Nation of Islam in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

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@DRXCIX part …9 That said, all someone has to do is read the history of early NOI. It is full of VIOLENCE and CRIME, almost exclusively done to its own people.

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@DRXCIX Part …1

Sir or Ma’am, you have given me quite a few “panels” of opinions. Now let me give you a few “facts” about the swindle by the “con-man”, Wallace D Fard. Researchers discovered that during the brief 3 yr period Fard was in Detroit, he personally made his living (and among other scams) by charging gullible, poor, uneducated members $10 for so-called holy names (which wasn’t worth the $2 he charged for the cheap ID card it was printed on).

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@DRXCIX Part …2

This was a hefty financial income for Fard because by the end of his tenure, he had about 5,000 members. Knowing that eventually he would be run out of town, he had encouraged most of them to get their so-called holy names while he was still among them. Also, at the end of each of his “sermons”, he would “pass a basket”, common to a lot of swindlers seeking money for their performance.

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@DRXCIX Part …3

The Detroit police labeled him a “fakir”. A muslim term which means to “live by begging”. He was not the only one. There were a pool of so-called “prophets and saviors” during the 1930s depression era who preyed on the illiteracy of poor, gullible blacks.

[DRXCIX]

@resumebwd Unless you can give a specific RELIABLE reference for this information about this "Fard" you mentioned and also a reliable reference to document what you stated in regards to the Detroit police, this information is "heresay" and we have a lot of that going around. Here is another "heresay" that is not grounded in facts or with reliable documentation, just emotional opinion - "Farrakhan killed Malcolm X."

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@DRXCIX The RELIABLE reference for this information about this "Fard"(you people call him Master Fard Muhammad) can be verified under the "Freedom of Information Act". Everyone knows Farrakhan did not kill Malcolm. Farrakhan stated that he may have been responsible for the atmosphere that led up to the killing of Malcolm. One of the NOI killers, stated in an interview that he was one of three members who pumped 21 bullets into the body of Malcolm X. If you like, I can give you his name.

[DRXCIX]

@resumebwd I was attempting to show you an example of "heresay" with that example of Farrakhan and Malcolm because there are some individuals that believe that. Regarding my request for documentation, the freedom of information act is not documentation; it is the law or act that allows you to have access to the information. I need the exact reference for the information you stated; a reliable reference, otherwise, it's just heresay.

[DRXCIX]

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Many cultures have myths that part of the fabric of their society; a con-man is a confidence man or a person who swindles another/others by means of a confidence - where is the swindle by "the con-man". The definition of devil is simple: a doer of evil, not some supernatural, evil incarnate demon (let's stay grounded). See Panel #2

[DRXCIX]

Panel #2: The majority of the world believe that God appeared in man, in a man or is a man: i.e., the followers of Jesus, Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, Vishnu, Krishna, Zarathustra, Baha Allah, Confucius, etc. As long as the sublime principles of man are alive, he will never die (like Gandhi & MLK, it is in this sense that Elijah is alive).

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@DRXCIX

I have been replying back to NOI members now for about 6 mos., hoping to get an intelligent reply. However, I have “yet” to get an intelligent respond from “1” member. Are all of you people BUFFOONS and MORONS?

[DRXCIX]

@resumebwd Everyone that responds is not a member of the NOI; so do not presume that the answers you get here are or will be from members (do not presume that I'm a member). You stoop to the level of calling names because you have not gotten answer to your request - a buffoon is a jester, a comic, a dunce, a simpleton & a moron is a stupid person, a dunce, an ignorant person. Who really deserves this label?

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@DRXCIX NOI members deserve that label with honors.

[DRXCIX]

@resumebwd Everyone is entitled to their opinion (it's just opinion). See next panel for more than opinion.

[DRXCIX]

A Poll taken by Yankelovich Partners for Time mag 2/28/08 shows the following about Min Farrakhan: 70% believe he's saying something the country should hear; 67% say he's an effective leader; 63% of Blacks believes he speaks the truth; 62% say he's good for the Black community; 53% say he's a role model for Black youth; 53% say he's someone you would like your children to pattern after & he was also named as "the most important Black leader today" above other Blk leaders including Mandela.

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@DRXCIX Like you said, this poll was just an opinion, which every one is entitled to. But the main thing to consider here is; Who was being polled? Were these pollsters NOI sympathizers like yourself, which they probably were? In that case, this is to be expected.

[DRXCIX]

@resumebwd Look it up yourself; that was a poll done by Time magazine (a top US magazine) that was unbiased using large numbers of the general US population. When a poll is done on a very large number of people it says a lot more than one person's opinion; it represents the overall "public opinion" which says significantly more than an individual's opinion. However, you are still entitled to your individual opinion.

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You just described what children believe in; Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the boogie man, etc. But you people are grown adults who believe like children; such as the myth that some guy named “Yakub” created a race of “white devils”, God appearing in the person of a “con-man”, a mother plane circling the sky with 15,000 other planes within it waiting to bomb America, Elijah still being alive, when the real world knows damn well he’s dead. And the list goes on. What a group of “buffoons”!

[Sudans1love]

I thank Allah for this women she is a true goddess!!! It's a true blessing to understand love and desire to want to learn from and study this woman! I love you Mother.

[resumebwd]

@Sudans1love Clara Muhammad would probably turn over in her grave if she knew you "fools" were calling one of her husband's mistresses, "MOTHER".

[Unity853]

@resumebwd There is no intercessor between man and Allah. When a man goes into a woman he is responsible for her so from that point on they are bonded. No need for an Imam or Pastor because Allah is sufficient.

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@Unity853

With the discovery of DNA, from that point on, if the girl is under age, the man is responsible for possible rape charges, in the case of a family member, which is the case of one of the young girls Elijah seduced, he can be charged with incest. He can be charged with also adultery if the man is married, which Elijah was. So yes, that man is responsible for all of his immoral, perverted acts, which Elijah Muhammad so hypocritically preached against.

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Part 2...Tynetta is merely a courtesan in a long line of mistresses that bore Elijah Muhammad illegitimate children. Sadly enough, Elijah publicly denied fathering her children until the final months of his death. Tynetta was bitterly jealous of all of his other mistresses and the FBI captured her enviousness on audio tape during their investigation of the NOI.

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Part 1...Tynnetta (Nelson) Muhammad describes herself as the “wife” of Elijah Muhammad. This is misleading because she was never married to him legally, illegally, nor does she even meet the legal definition of a common-law wife. 

[MZDECATL]

EYE LOVE U MOTHER TYNNETTA......HOTEP

[DRXCIX]

The NOI teaches Islam and the followers are muslims. Islam means submission & peace and the NOI has minimal to no record of violence in it's history. Muslim means to submit to the will of God and the NOI members submit; all members take the Shahada; The NOI religious book is the Qu'ran; they adhere to the 5 principles of Islam (Belief in one God/Allah, Salat, fasting, zakat and Hajj to mecca). To confirm attend Jummah, Mosque Mariam. The NOI is still the NOI and under Farrakhan's guidance.

[Nastasia121]

@DRXCIX NOI does not teach ISLAM. It is a black movement. I am Muslim. You must only worship God. Him alone - This is one of the pillars of Islam. Please read the Quran and if you want to know the true Islam. Peace,

[RIGHTEOUSDISORDER]

@Nastasia121 And the Islam of Prophet Muhammad of 1400 years ago began as an 'BLACK ARAB MOVEMENT'. The Message came to them first, and through them the universiality of Islam was revealed. Today, we live in a world of overt racism towards blacks that has even poisoned the very islam that you think is so different from what Mother Tynetta is teaching on in this clip. Allah raised a messenger in the west, Elijah Muhammad, to bring forth truth that dispels shaitan's lies of white supremecy

[DRXCIX]

@Nastasia121 The NOI is a growing nation-a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language inhabiting a particular territory; a confederation of peoples, like North American Indians. The HEM claims to be a messenger, not a prophet (not unlike Aaron, Jonah, Paul,etc.).The NOI while growing is primarily for the so called Negro, not unlike the Iroquois, Inuit/Eskimo, zulu/bantu nations (membership is exclusive) or early Finland. Only God can judge who is a Muslim

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@DRXCIX The NOI is a growing cult of misguided, misinformed, gullible buffoons and morons united by common deceit, lies, myths, and fairy-tales. One would expect for children and adolescents to be misled. But for full-grown adults to believe in fairytales is outrageous.

[DRXCIX]

@resumebwd A people that believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the boogie man, that the physical dead will be resurrected, spooks, a supernatural entity called the devil, etc. are the misguided ones - will the real misguided people stand up, the members of the NOI will sit down.

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@DRXCIX You just described what children believe in; Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the boogie man, etc. But you people are grown adults who believe like children; such as the myth that some guy named “Yakub” created a race of “white devils”, God appearing in the person of a “con-man”, a mother plane circling the sky with 15,000 other planes within it waiting to bomb America, Elijah still being alive, when the real world knows he’s dead. And the list goes on. What a group of “buffoons”

[abraham1934]

Good post. What is the name of this lecture

[VirtuousX23]

So let's not get so caught up on 'who is teaching who'...because what really matters is TRUTH, and that's what we all should live for...Peace and Blessings :)

[VirtuousX23]

He Allah (God) is secure enough within himself to allow the woman to grow in wisdom, and not feel threatened, because he knows that she is a part of him...so therefore she is strengthening him...she is his HELPMEET. We all are doing this for the cause of freedom, justice, and Equality...which is peace (Islam)

[nubiagold]

@VirtuousX23, way to teach that brother Queen, and anybody else thinking like a slave.

[VirtuousX23]

Oh, and one more thing...since we, the Lost Tribe of Shabazz, the black man and woman of America and black people all over the world, represent Allah (God)...then we need to understand that when he created himself he found that he had a second side to himself. And that is the feminine side (the woman).

[VirtuousX23]

@brianbmf...I have read one of your comments about the Bible being pure...WRONG...there are several books of the bible that are not in there. Have you ever heard of the council of nicea? Why are there so many different versions of it? Why did they keep it from us for so long? Of u think that is a pure book, u r dead wrong and have been deceived. We do read out of the Bible, but the enemy has tampered with it so much, u have to b careful

[VirtuousX23]

@sunrulerallah...very well put!

[VirtuousX23]

We never try to make our men weak either, the days of Willie Lynch are over. we are strenghthening him if u really understand. And they in turn, strenghthen us. It is a perfect balance, but we still remain true to our feminine nature. We never try to tell them what to do, we make suggestions, and if it is the truth from God, they have to submit to the Truth, not to us...do u get what I am saying?

[VirtuousX23]

Just remember this: the 144,000 that was prophesized as God's chosen/elect consists of MEN AND WOMEN, who are going to build the kingdom of righteousness. In order to build, u have to have great knowledge of the word of God, and mathematics...and u will have to be a LEADER who possess great leadership qualities. Please, put your pride aside, Allah is making a new woman...brace yourself :)

[VirtuousX23]

But at the same time, we know that our natures kiss and embrace eachother. So they can never be the man they are destined to be without us, and vice versa. The Black woman possess certain powers that the black man do not have, that is why Allah put us together as mates so that we can BALANCE eachother. That is why the old Islamic world is in deviation, because they don't see the value in their women.

[VirtuousX23]

How could you say that we are equally important, but we are not qualified to teach? That sounds so stupid...I am not insulting u, but it really sounds stupid. The black man and woman are put together as mates for Allah's purpose, and when we come together through the long process of marraige, we become Allah. We understand that the man Is the head, and we never try to take that position from him

[VirtuousX23]

@brianbmf...when our Messenger, Elijah Muhammad gave us Islam, he told us that Allah is making a New Islam. So this Islam that u r looking at is going to be a part of the hereafter or heaven after the destruction of the wicked. It is going to be this way whether u like it or not, and trust me, it is absolutely FAR FROM FALSEHOOD. Let's see what is going to be left standing after this dreaded war.

[amoohjob]

iblis his new tittalle in the quraane signifying his inability to decieve muslims in committing shirke ones and for ever the shaytan his old name the trcker of the faithfulles is now ibliss no longer able to tricke muslims into committing shirke

[sunrulerallah]

Men RULE the household but it's the women who RUN it. The men set up the rules and regulations and the women make sure they are being followed. The mother made sure the child went according to the rules and regulations and if it wasn't followed she'd say "Wait til your Father gets home"? This is the same with the Prophets who warns the people who are not going according to God's rules and regulations. That's Law of man, woman and child; God, prophet and the people; Boss, Supervisor and employee.

[nubiagold]

brianbmf, as men we can't be bent on just attacking our sisters brother, crying about...oh they can't lead men. There is a place for everything sometimes. Hell, this world is upside down, but don't blame the sista's, they didn't do it.

[brianbmf]

@nubiagold Im not attacking nobody im simply saying ther is an order,just because the world is upside down dont mean we are to be upside down to,we are not to be conformed to this world.Ther is a place for everything,but ther is no place for women leading men.

[nubiagold]

@brianbmf, Sister Tynetta can teach and you should be willing to learn. You first teacher was a woman. In the NOI our woman teach, we don't place our women in another room for prayer. Women in the NOI aren't second class citizens, we don't play that male chauvinist junk.

[brianbmf]

@nubiagold I never said nothing about placing a woman in another room for prayer or anything about male chauvinist,im talking about the leadership position of teaching and watching over the people is for men!A woman is not to take the role of a shepeard over the flock thats out of order!Yea the first teacher is the woman but when that child is old enough especially a boy he is turned over to his father completly and taught manhood!

[nubiagold]

@brianbmf, I'm just letting you know how we feel about our Sisters in the NOI. Our women teach in the Mosque, and if it went down they are ride or die chicks. If you don't like women teaching that's your problem, but this is how we do it in the NOI.

[brianbmf]

@nubiagold And thats why the NOI is a false religion because the women are not to be in leadership over men and obviously yall alow that showing you to be false and out of order!

[nubiagold]

@brianbmf, The religion we practice is Islam, as taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Now since you already know that, quit your crying. We practice Freedom, Justice and Equality.

[brianbmf]

@nubiagold Freedom,justice and equality is fine but a woman is not equal to a man,even nature shows this.She is equally important but not equal to a man.If the NOI allows women to be in leadership over men its a false religion and going right along with the willie lynch ideology of making the man weak and putting the woman in front of him!

[nubiagold]

King James was a white man.

[Gingerd2008]

THANK YOU... everybody want to pretend like they got knowledge... when their really regergitating what someone else told them

[brianbmf]

1Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

[Gingerd2008]

Which explains why the world is in the situation that it is in right now... which bible translation is this? King James?

[brianbmf]

Yea,the only version you should be reading.And how does the scripture i posted the reason the world is in the situation its in???

[Gingerd2008]

Perhaps you should research king james and find that out for yourself. The evil, wicked Charles Darwin (racist devil) praised "King" James... I wonder why? And while we're at it, why do they call him a "King"?

[brianbmf]

I have researched king james and what the NOI says about him is a damn lie.King james first of all was a black man!But he is beside the point,the scripture i posted clearly states that a woman is not to teach a man or usurp authority over the man and that is what this woman is doing!

[Gingerd2008]

1. Please refer me to a reference that PROVES King James was black. 2. I'm not talking about what the NOI says about him - this is from my own research. 3. Ignorance will lead u to believe tht the person who wrote / TRANSLATED the book is beside the point (ask N American slaves who were taught via this same book) 4. A woman gives birth to ALL MEN so she is his 1st teacher by nature.

[brianbmf]

The american slaves were not taught the bible,they were taught a false doctrine with a bible opened.They did not teach them the truth of the bible.I dont care if a woman is a mans first teacher,that is when he is a child!When he is a grown man she is not to be teaching or leading him anymore period!Read nature knows no color line,defending the king james version,and King James VI,read those and you will also see a pic showing he was black.

[Gingerd2008]

Bro - I checked out ur page. U seem like an intelligent dude, but ur off course. Blks were certainly taught frm the bible, only certain sections. This is y many blk churches now go by the title "Acts (example name) FULL GOSPEL" bcz blk preachrs realizd tht they had been mistaught regardng the theology of the book. Certainly there r still going to seminaries to stdy and still b n mislead. I wondr where ur knwldg abt the book is frm. Thts not a diss, my grndmthr read it all her life and nvr truly

[brianbmf]

No blacks were not taught the bible,because if they were teaching the bible,we wouldnt have been celebrating paganisim,and we would know that we are the people of the book,the israelites and much more,so know blacks were not taught the truth thats in the bible!

[Gingerd2008]

contd-undrst it, and died as such. Hav u heard tht God cursd Ham 4 lookn at his fathrs shame, and mockng him? Tht story is n the bible. Knw how it got there? Babylonian Hebrews (white ppl) Cain & Able, r u aware how tht story was used? This idea tht u work all ur life and get ur reward whn u get to heaven. Where is the heaven? Whose been there and come bck to tell the tale? Lets step out the bible 4 a sec cuz tht was given 2000 yrs ago. R u knwldgable of Egypt? Africa? R u aware tht these were

[brianbmf]

Well we are not from ham,we are from shem,we are not africans so the curse on ham has nothing to do with us!White people did not put nothing in the scriptures,the scriptures are pure and have been preserved for thousands of years!

[Gingerd2008]

contnd 2 - matriarchal societies? Meaning the power was held the wmn? Passd on thru the woman? Certainly if this is tru then these sisters were teachers... MASTER teachers. Hatshetsup, Queen Inzinga, Cleopatra, Queen Tiye... etc U thnk these women, rulers, were not teachrs? Certainly our ppl were great prior to the bible. Surely we hav been on this earch trillions of yrs. Certainly we r more off course than ever b4. Perhaps bcz men hav ur frame of mind... misinterpretn Gods words...

[brianbmf]

THATS A DAMN LIE!!None of those societies were lead by women at all!All those queens were not rulers,ther husbands ruled and hatshetsu was a regent because her brother was to young!She was not chosen to rule!Our women did not hold the power over us or lead us!The men always ruled,WE ARE NOT A MATRIARCHAL PEOPLE SO STOP PUSHING THAT WILLIE LYNCH FEMINIST LIE!Our men are strong men and we are not lead by our women and never were!That is weakness!A man is the head and supposed to lead not the woman

[Gingerd2008]

Y r u so emotional? Surely this is a feminin trait that you should work on controlling. Please point out to me at what point I said our men were ruled by our women. When those queens were in power, they were rulers regardless the reason of their taking the throne. Queen Inzinga fought off the Portugese until her death and kept her people from being enslaved. Y does that trouble u? I got ur msg. U r so far off its not fnny. Nothing on this earth is more pwrful and divine than the blk man NOTHING

[brianbmf]

Im not emotional at all,dont try me like that!And just because you had a select few women that stood in as regents,none of them had sole rulership at all,not one!And queen inzinga was a regent for her brothers young son,she was not a sole ruler!

[Gingerd2008]

I would give my life to c him restored to his rightful place alongside God himself. U obviously hav not had much study n Africa so I wont press u on tht. I have. And its not tht women ruled their men. Calm down. The power passed down thru the blood line was thru the woman. Regardless of how Hatshetsup took the throne, she was a master builder and a just leader. Y does tht threaten u? Of course we as blk wmn shuld submit to our men when they r RIGHTEOUS. We r all off track. Look at the condition

[brianbmf]

No the power did not pass down from the woman,it went from father to son,and yes i have studied africa and it was never matriarchal.Even when you had the very few women regents they were still in a patriarchal society.Hatshetsup was not a sole ruler at all.When you say we were in a matriarchal society you are saying that we were ruled by our women,thats what matriarchy is,women rulership and that was never our custom!

[Gingerd2008]

NUBIA - "It is said to be the custom among the Nubians, when a king dies and leaves a son, and also a nephew, the son of his sister, that the latter reigns after his uncle, instead of the son..." --Abu Salih, the Armenian ... this is what I'm talking about. KEMET / EGYPT - "I have come from the school of medicine at Heliopolis, and have studied at the women's school at Sais where the divine mothers have taught me how to cure diseases." --Egyptian inscription

[brianbmf]

These are not facts,that is speculation,thats why it says "it is said to be" It is not certain,and even if that was true which its not it is still not matriarchal because Kings ruled!

[Gingerd2008]

W AFRICA - "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." ---Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973

Back ur info up with some facts or leave it alone. Ur too emotional to make a rational argument here... peace bro

[brianbmf]

Ahmed Baba-The Songhai Empire ruled about two thirds of West Africa, including the lands now called Mali, Mauritania, Guinea, Senegal, Gambia, Northern Nigeria and Niger...Behanzin Bowelle "The King Shark", was the most powerful of the West African Kings....I can go on and on and list african kings for days showing it was not matriarchal.

[Gingerd2008]

Yes, these are also the "kings" that helped lead our people to slavery. Y r u making this a competition? Certainly the white man is n ur head. Check ur msg's for a refreshment course on Hatshepsut. All this info is readily available for opened minded ppl who seek truth....

[brianbmf]

Number one the egyptians are not our people,we were inslaved by them.Check my reply to your message,you need to read the info you posted,i already knew about hatshepsut,ans she had nothing on the kings that ruled egypt and were supposed to rule egypt.The white man is in your head because you like the idea of women ruling men.

[Gingerd2008]

Ah, ok so u think that Pharaoh really enslved a ppl and they were out in the wilderness... 400k + for all tht time. Ok, I c where this is headed.

And FYI the Egyptians were black ppl. All blk ppl r from the same tree whether righteous or not. U noted the powerful African Kings frm W Africa, certainly u acknowledge they playd a major role in our coming here... U need the Honorable Elijah Muhammad in your life!!!!! Knowledge is power...

[brianbmf]

Yea he really inslaved people and even history backs it up.Yea the egyptians were black but they were still not our people,we are to seperate dark races.I dont need no elijah the fornicator in my life or his false NOI religion.Knowledge is in Gods real book the bible and in history,not no arab quran!

[Originalman320]

@brianbmf Are you still here? First of all a fornicator is someone that's unmarried engaging in sex. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad was/is married. The women were/are his wives, one of whom is speaking in this clip.

[Gingerd2008]

of our ppl. This is not evn a valid argument whn our communities r n shambles. The blk wmn is broke dwn bcz her man is broke dwn. Now they cant jobs. Shuld the wmn not go out and get a job and keep the family floatng til her man is able to be self sufficient? Surely u c Egypt and the Queen always at the side of Pharaoh on the throne. Not bcz she is his superior. Not bcz she is his inferior. Bcz he respectd her and treatd her as his equal. Willie Lynch Feminist? Ur barkn up the wrong tree bro

[brianbmf]

The queen was not equal to the pharoah,he was the leader of the nation and the queen submited herself to him.If you beleive in matriarchy than yes you are a willie lynch feminist because thats what both pushed on us,putting the woman over the man to lead him and thats what matrarchy is!

[Gingerd2008]

How do u believe n a matriarchy? I believe in GOD! We dont live in a matriarchal society anymore so get off tht. I bought tht up to make a point. Allah U Akbar, and peace be unto u.

[brianbmf]

We never lived in a matriarchal society ever.Once again we are a strong people and were never lead by our women ever.If you beleive women should be leading men than you beleive in matriarchy.

[Gingerd2008]

I'm starting to believe tht u cant read. I NEVER SAID WOMEN SHOUD BE LEADING MEN. I'm done. Peace.

[brianbmf]

Yea you are saying that women should lead men,if you are saying we were matriarchal society,thats women leading men,and that was never the case with our people!

[brianbmf]

No you have the mind of willie lynch because thats what matriarchy is.How have i lowered the position of the woman?Please explain that?

[Gingerd2008]

As the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad said - woman is the 2nd self of God. So surely my mission n life is to represnt him, help him, and play the role tht God has establshd for me, n this day n this time. And FYI n response to ur msg. I am not in the NOI so get off tht. I study the teachings, but I am speaking on behalf of myself. My study is not only n those teachings, but history, and black ppl all ovr the world. Calm dwn and play the role tht was ntended for the man, not the woman. Peace.

[brianbmf]

Im playing my role,you need to play yours and get out of that backwards matriarchal mind set.And i dont know what history you are studying but our people were never matriarchal at all,that is weakness and once again we are not a weak people!

[Originalman320]

@brianbmf Your role is as a provacateur. You're just here to start trouble.

[scientific19]

pt. 2 The Figure "Christ" Christos, the effect of light on mater as it manifest thought power over the "universe" and The Sun of Man as he gives light to the world it gives of a Universal power that is synonymous w/ the Rainbow . That Color,music and mathematics is the Root of God consciousness.... This is just the beginning of mind power as the pineal gland(crytsal) is the Gate to the spiritual brain power. We must go deeper into what the man said THEM in order to find The ALL in what he said!

[blackistheword7]

teach sister!

[nubiagold]

1930 Fard, you should stop hating on Minister Farrakhan. The Messenger said in a lecture that when you see him look at him, where he says stay from you stay from, etc. You heard it, you saw it, so stop being rebellious and get with the program.

[warpussnoluv]

true

[sexyvioletta]

it's a blessing to have a wise woman around to teach!!!

[naizam71]

Last Messenger Prophet Muhammad s.a.w....

[1930fard]

She is very wise when she reflects what our lessons instruct,but when she gets off into crystals,and astrology,then she is Abrahams hand maiden,running to and from looking for a well when it is right under the foot of her son ishmael,why,because the seed of Abraham is suppose to uphold the work of Abraham,Tynetta ismael and rasul are suppose to teach exactly and accurately messenger Elijah Muhammads teaching to the lost sheep. Not adding all these strange teachings of farrakhan,which confuse.

[jms631014]

First of all,do you know first hand what the instructions the Hon Elijah Muhammad gave her before his departure?

[Originalman320]

The only one that seems confused here is you. Min. Farrakhan's teaching ARE that of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's teachings.

[brianbmf]

@Originalman320 Yea and both are false when it comes to teaching of scripture!

[scientific19]

You know, it is very important that we do not take for granted that we "know" The teachings as infinite as they are. THEM taught that sister from points of thought that was based on "her" questions to him. He spoke of "Crystals" as The power of the Wheel and the root understanding of

[1930fard]

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN BY INFINITE,I HOPE YOU DONT MEAN THAT 2+2=4 WILL MEAN SOMETHIN DIFFERENT IN THE NEXT WORLD,WHAT A DUMB gOD THAT WOULD BE,TO CHANGE MEANING FOREVER,WHEN WOULD WE COME TO A CONCLUSION,NO NO NO,THE MESSENGER ALREADY CLEARED UP THE ALLEGORY OF BOTH QURAN,AND BIBLE,THE BLACKNATION NEEDS ONE EXPLANATION OF SCRIPTURE,AND SURAH'S NOW HERE YOU COME BRAINWASHED BY LOUIS'S DENIAL OF THE PURE MESSAGE,TALKIN FALSE ESOTERIC GARBAGE LIKE A POPE OF ISLAM,NONSENSE.

[scientific19]

Then to say that , you definitely are not a student of THEM ,MFM and The Supreme Wisdom Lessons for it debunks that one level foolishness you are saying because Negroes are to lazy to Study, yet w/ laziness your DEAD! Charging The Min. w/ what esoteric, parable/ symbolic ect. teaching when you thought you knew and know the teachings and because we dont know!

[swordsmengod]

She is absolutely right. Iblis will have a dreadful day.