these businessmen who sit there and talk about the lives of sentient beings they raise as "product" that "produces my income" -- they are like robots with no souls. to exploit a living being like that -- one really has to lack a part of their soul to dedicate themselves to that type of business. pigs are extremely smart animals. they are well aware when they are about to be slaughtered. they feel terror, stress and pain. there is nothing "humane" in slaughtering an animal for food.
@sherribailey75 They are not just businessmen, they are farmers & farming is not only a way of life, it is a business. They have to have an income, would u dedicate ur life, 7 days a wk for free? This is a business but we have a moral and ethical obligation to treat these animals well, as they said, “It’s the right thing to do.” Farmers have the most giving and respectable souls around. We feed millions for moderate wages, doing hard labor. If we didn't do this to feed the world who would?
@aaron7816 I don't eat pork or any other meat, so you're not feeding me. And I'm not missing anything by not being fed by you. Farming is absolutely a business. If it wasn't a business, it would be a non-profit organization. Which it isn't, is it? Farmers do their work not because they care for animals, but because they care about making money off their animals. I would never choose a profession which involves the taking of someone else's life. It's bad karma. Read "The China Study."
@sherribailey75 U may not eat pork but if u use glass, glue, buttons, fabric dye, water filters, insulation, plastics, matches, make-up, linoleum, antifreeze, gelatin, chewing gum, or any of the other 500-plus pork byproducts then u still rely on the pork industry. Hog farmers make much more than just meat. BTW, if u had any clue the hard work & personal sacrifices farmers make u would understand why farms are passed from generation to generation. It's much more than just a paycheck.
@aaron7816 Nope, don't eat gelatin. I don't buy any pills with a gelatin coating, I don't eat gello. I'm extremely aware of any kind of animal product contained in my food and other goods. I read labels very carefully. Why do these farmers make these personal sacrifices? Why don't they make personal sacrifices for something that doesn't result in billions of deaths of animals with intelligence equal to dogs, our beloved household pets? No, pork is all marketing, all big business.
@sherribailey75 We make personal sacrifices b/c we see the big picture & we care about others. We feed the masses & with our hogs, we produce a renewable resource for many products that would otherwise use up fossil fuels. I understand that u are a vegan and that is ur right, as it's our right to eat meat, I am not trying to make u eat meat. I am merely attempting to educate you and debunk the misconceptions u obviously have. Pork is definitely a business, but I'm proud to say it's much more!
I'm sure that small family-owned farms are better for animal health, but the majority of mean consumed in this country are produced by a mere handful of companies. It has been documented time and time again that these companies utilize intensive farming practices that do *not* keep the consumer in mind. While I am glad that small farmers have good intentions, I find it to be quite deceptive for The Pork Checkoff to endorse this as its own...
@laureno07 We’re a small family-owned farm, we also raise contract pigs, & our pigs are healthy and produce great quality meat, which our family eats. The Pork Checkoff supports us and all the other family-owned hog farmers through media, research, education, seminars, etc. A huge misconception is that CAFO hogs are corp raised but they’re not, they’re corp owned and family raised. These companies support us economically & w/ vet care, among other things. They've allowed us to stay on the farm.
HSUS and other AR groups are trying to play GOD.Trying to force a pet free,vegan way on All of us.We and the animals were created to be meat eaters and trying to change that is Mocking God.Welfare is not the same as "Rights".Stop giving them money that only goes to pass more laws to take our rights away .
@countryfuntime "mocking God?" how ignorant of you. have you not read the Bible? The Bible records at least one occasion when God spoke through an animal (Numbers 22:28-33). Animals, just like humans, are all part of God's design. We were not created to be meat-eaters. In the first chapter of the Bible, God made mankind responsible for His animals (Genesis 1-28). All animals are God's animals (Psalm 50:10) and we are answerable to God for our treatment, care and protection of them.
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. (Genesis 9:3)
Also:
For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another's servant? (Romans 14:2-4)
Farmers go to great lengths to care for their hogs-especially those raised in modern hog barns. Modern barns protect our hogs from predators and the harsh elements of the weather. They also prevent many diseases which dirt hogs have to be vaccinated for. And, farmers are able to better monitor their animals and PREVENT them from being sick when they are housed indoors. Hogs raised in modern barns are content and comfortable, and provide healthy food for not only my family, but your family too.
Antibiotics given to factory farmed animals is the major contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria or "superbugs". Housing animals in such close quarters is the reason these animals are susceptible to disease! YOU say they are content! What a joke, content to be meat machines so you can make a buck! There are other ways to earn a living you know! You are not providing food for me, I'm vegetarian. Do not try to dispute that a vegetarian diet is by far the healthiest diet....you would be wrong
Yes, Humans were meant to be vegitarians, we never walked on the moon, and Anna Nicole Smith married for love! That is why humans were given sharp incisors, to rip apart chewy celery. That is why we have appendixes that are nonfunctional, to digest all of that plant matter. Finally, God, Allah, Buddah, a higher body, what ever you believe made animals soo darned tasty just to amuse us. If we were meant to be vegitarians why was all of this energy making useless body parts that we don't use?
ekitsyekcul Go ahead, walk up to a cow and use your powerful incisors to rip it apart. Yes we are omnivores, definitely not carnivores, a carnivore could do this whereas humans must remove the hide and cook the meat. Scientist tried for years to cause beagles to get heart disease, until they realised that true carnivores don't get heart disease....humans that eat meat get heart disease, cardiologists will tell you that the best diet for your heart is vegetarian (also for your colon btw)
ekitsyekcul Bears are also omnivores like us. Do you also wonder about their teeth....though they eat some meat (mainly fish) their diet is mostly vegetarian. Just because we humans CAN eat meat that doesn't mean its healthy to eat the amount that modern humans tend to eat. And we are the only animals that breed other animals for meat...its a pitiful and disgusting practise. I'm agnostic but I believe that if there is a "god" he/she would want us to treat our fellow earthlings with compassion
Okay calm down. Could a human eat into a cow through the hide, technically yes. If we were to use logic like other carnivores we would start with the lips, eyes, and the bung of the animal working towards the inside. Look at the energy need to take down a large mammal and the energy needed to take down a fish, lazy bears. I do believe in God and believe that we were given the power and intelligence to raise other animals for food purposes, and yes, we do take care in our raising of the animals.
ekitsyekcul Imagine if intelligent beings came to Earth and saw the billions of vulnerable humans (imagine we are no match for their superior intellect and power). They would likely say that their "God" created this planet full of juicy, yummy humans just for them...to "raise for food purposes". They would surely enjoy tender baby meat (comparable to human penchant for veal or lamb). Women would have their babies taken away and then be kept to be milked. Men would barely be necessary (A.I.)
@ekitsyekcul Actually, we don't have sharp incisors. Our teeth have the same structure as a chimpanzee, which subsists on a plant based diet. The incisors thing is a myth, a marketing idea concocted by meat producers to brainwash people like you into believe meat is a necessary part of your diet. Which it isn't. As far as animals being "tasty," that is utterly subjective. Some people can't stand the taste of pork, some hate beef, some hate chicken. "Tasty" is a subjective and relative term.
Another example of how HSUS has the meat industry and USDA running scared. Buy locally grown meat from a farmer you know, then you will have all the assurance you need that the animal was raised as God intended. Pastured pigs are the most naturally raised pork. Those pigs in the video are raised on cement and never do get outside. Buy local!
No it is not an example of the HSUS making us run scared it is and example of us protecting our investments and way of life. Persons like you thrive on "Bad News" and scare tactics. Pastured organically raised pigs are morelikely to be sick throughout life due to the lack of climate control and timely medication. How would you like to spend your winter, in a climate controled home at 70 degrees or trying to stay warm behind tree while the temperature is 12 degrees with 20 mile an hour winds.
pigs require symbiotic soil bacteria. Without them odds are better than 50-50 the animal will require antibiotics before it is 6 months old. As for pasturing pigs in 12 degree wind you wouldnt. Thats what a barn or shed is for. BTW we raise Berkshires and use NO antibiotics. Never had need.
cement/concrete actually wears on pig hooves, keeping them at a manageable size. When hooves are not worn down naturally, the length creates weakness in the legs and ankles leading to lameness and ultimately euthenasia in some cases.
If you do not experience this in your operation you must have an extremely durable and strong animal... which typically does not make for very good meat.
Not true at all. Having access to rocks (a rocky area of the pasture)is adequate to maintain proper hoof wear and conformation. The animal should have correct enough conformation to maintain proper hoof wear. Failure of an animals feet to properly self maintain is indicative of conformational flaws. Meat quality is a function of the overall health and age of the animal. A durable, ie healthy animal, is not necessarily chewey. We hear the comment - the best pork I ever tasted in my life - often.
ekitsyekcul How about indoor AND outdoor lodging!! It doesn't have to be "either or" you know! I have horses and they are allowed to come in for shelter when they choose. They are outdoors probably at least 90% of the time, more often than not they are outside in stormy weather with their rear ends to the wind . What do you consider "timely medication" the meat industry is responsible for the development of antibiotic resistant superbugs due to overuse of antibiotics.. no scare tactic..TRUTH.
Do you have children? Did you get them their tenus, mmr, and other vaccinations? That is timely medication. Why would we over-invest on medication beyond what we need? Further more can you give me an example of a "superbug" caused my animal agriculture?
Gosh, I wish I had seen this snappy reply a month ago. You are full of pig poop. Pastured pigs have shelters and hay, four or five feet deep, to keep warm. I know, I raise pigs that way. The best and healthiest pork I've ever had. I sneer at people like you who do not know what they are talking about.
Okay here we go again. We don't raise patured pigs, we produce a least cost value-added product. We do not medicate except when we need to and we keep our animals in a climate controled housing facility. You sneer, I pity those that find a niche market and try to force it on the whole by explaining how it is sooo much better, and pity those that are ignorant to modern pork production. Please don't reply just learn and if you want a tour let me know we openly provide tours.
Yeah, it never really made sense to me why a farmer would abuse a pig when the farmer's income depended on the well-being of that pig. I know there are videos showing animal abuse out there, but we must careful not to take a few isolated cases and assume everyone does that.
these businessmen who sit there and talk about the lives of sentient beings they raise as "product" that "produces my income" -- they are like robots with no souls. to exploit a living being like that -- one really has to lack a part of their soul to dedicate themselves to that type of business. pigs are extremely smart animals. they are well aware when they are about to be slaughtered. they feel terror, stress and pain. there is nothing "humane" in slaughtering an animal for food.
sherribailey75 1 year ago
@sherribailey75 They are not just businessmen, they are farmers & farming is not only a way of life, it is a business. They have to have an income, would u dedicate ur life, 7 days a wk for free? This is a business but we have a moral and ethical obligation to treat these animals well, as they said, “It’s the right thing to do.” Farmers have the most giving and respectable souls around. We feed millions for moderate wages, doing hard labor. If we didn't do this to feed the world who would?
aaron7816 1 year ago
@aaron7816 I don't eat pork or any other meat, so you're not feeding me. And I'm not missing anything by not being fed by you. Farming is absolutely a business. If it wasn't a business, it would be a non-profit organization. Which it isn't, is it? Farmers do their work not because they care for animals, but because they care about making money off their animals. I would never choose a profession which involves the taking of someone else's life. It's bad karma. Read "The China Study."
sherribailey75 1 year ago
@sherribailey75 U may not eat pork but if u use glass, glue, buttons, fabric dye, water filters, insulation, plastics, matches, make-up, linoleum, antifreeze, gelatin, chewing gum, or any of the other 500-plus pork byproducts then u still rely on the pork industry. Hog farmers make much more than just meat. BTW, if u had any clue the hard work & personal sacrifices farmers make u would understand why farms are passed from generation to generation. It's much more than just a paycheck.
aaron7816 1 year ago
@aaron7816 Nope, don't eat gelatin. I don't buy any pills with a gelatin coating, I don't eat gello. I'm extremely aware of any kind of animal product contained in my food and other goods. I read labels very carefully. Why do these farmers make these personal sacrifices? Why don't they make personal sacrifices for something that doesn't result in billions of deaths of animals with intelligence equal to dogs, our beloved household pets? No, pork is all marketing, all big business.
sherribailey75 1 year ago
@sherribailey75 We make personal sacrifices b/c we see the big picture & we care about others. We feed the masses & with our hogs, we produce a renewable resource for many products that would otherwise use up fossil fuels. I understand that u are a vegan and that is ur right, as it's our right to eat meat, I am not trying to make u eat meat. I am merely attempting to educate you and debunk the misconceptions u obviously have. Pork is definitely a business, but I'm proud to say it's much more!
aaron7816 1 year ago
I'm sure that small family-owned farms are better for animal health, but the majority of mean consumed in this country are produced by a mere handful of companies. It has been documented time and time again that these companies utilize intensive farming practices that do *not* keep the consumer in mind. While I am glad that small farmers have good intentions, I find it to be quite deceptive for The Pork Checkoff to endorse this as its own...
laureno07 2 years ago
*meat
laureno07 2 years ago
@laureno07 We’re a small family-owned farm, we also raise contract pigs, & our pigs are healthy and produce great quality meat, which our family eats. The Pork Checkoff supports us and all the other family-owned hog farmers through media, research, education, seminars, etc. A huge misconception is that CAFO hogs are corp raised but they’re not, they’re corp owned and family raised. These companies support us economically & w/ vet care, among other things. They've allowed us to stay on the farm.
aaron7816 1 year ago
HSUS and other AR groups are trying to play GOD.Trying to force a pet free,vegan way on All of us.We and the animals were created to be meat eaters and trying to change that is Mocking God.Welfare is not the same as "Rights".Stop giving them money that only goes to pass more laws to take our rights away .
countryfuntime 2 years ago
@countryfuntime "mocking God?" how ignorant of you. have you not read the Bible? The Bible records at least one occasion when God spoke through an animal (Numbers 22:28-33). Animals, just like humans, are all part of God's design. We were not created to be meat-eaters. In the first chapter of the Bible, God made mankind responsible for His animals (Genesis 1-28). All animals are God's animals (Psalm 50:10) and we are answerable to God for our treatment, care and protection of them.
sherribailey75 1 year ago
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aaron7816 1 year ago
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@sherribailey75 The Bible says this too:
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. (Genesis 9:3)
Also:
For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another's servant? (Romans 14:2-4)
aaron7816 1 year ago
Respect for animals, go vegan.
Veganismo es respeto.
xxxZENicxxx 3 years ago
Translation:
Lokk at me I'm so ignorant!
MEC316 3 years ago
Farmers go to great lengths to care for their hogs-especially those raised in modern hog barns. Modern barns protect our hogs from predators and the harsh elements of the weather. They also prevent many diseases which dirt hogs have to be vaccinated for. And, farmers are able to better monitor their animals and PREVENT them from being sick when they are housed indoors. Hogs raised in modern barns are content and comfortable, and provide healthy food for not only my family, but your family too.
familyfarmer 3 years ago
Antibiotics given to factory farmed animals is the major contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria or "superbugs". Housing animals in such close quarters is the reason these animals are susceptible to disease! YOU say they are content! What a joke, content to be meat machines so you can make a buck! There are other ways to earn a living you know! You are not providing food for me, I'm vegetarian. Do not try to dispute that a vegetarian diet is by far the healthiest diet....you would be wrong
longtailrat 2 years ago
Yes, Humans were meant to be vegitarians, we never walked on the moon, and Anna Nicole Smith married for love! That is why humans were given sharp incisors, to rip apart chewy celery. That is why we have appendixes that are nonfunctional, to digest all of that plant matter. Finally, God, Allah, Buddah, a higher body, what ever you believe made animals soo darned tasty just to amuse us. If we were meant to be vegitarians why was all of this energy making useless body parts that we don't use?
ekitsyekcul 2 years ago
ekitsyekcul Go ahead, walk up to a cow and use your powerful incisors to rip it apart. Yes we are omnivores, definitely not carnivores, a carnivore could do this whereas humans must remove the hide and cook the meat. Scientist tried for years to cause beagles to get heart disease, until they realised that true carnivores don't get heart disease....humans that eat meat get heart disease, cardiologists will tell you that the best diet for your heart is vegetarian (also for your colon btw)
longtailrat 2 years ago
ekitsyekcul Bears are also omnivores like us. Do you also wonder about their teeth....though they eat some meat (mainly fish) their diet is mostly vegetarian. Just because we humans CAN eat meat that doesn't mean its healthy to eat the amount that modern humans tend to eat. And we are the only animals that breed other animals for meat...its a pitiful and disgusting practise. I'm agnostic but I believe that if there is a "god" he/she would want us to treat our fellow earthlings with compassion
longtailrat 2 years ago
Okay calm down. Could a human eat into a cow through the hide, technically yes. If we were to use logic like other carnivores we would start with the lips, eyes, and the bung of the animal working towards the inside. Look at the energy need to take down a large mammal and the energy needed to take down a fish, lazy bears. I do believe in God and believe that we were given the power and intelligence to raise other animals for food purposes, and yes, we do take care in our raising of the animals.
ekitsyekcul 2 years ago
ekitsyekcul Imagine if intelligent beings came to Earth and saw the billions of vulnerable humans (imagine we are no match for their superior intellect and power). They would likely say that their "God" created this planet full of juicy, yummy humans just for them...to "raise for food purposes". They would surely enjoy tender baby meat (comparable to human penchant for veal or lamb). Women would have their babies taken away and then be kept to be milked. Men would barely be necessary (A.I.)
longtailrat 2 years ago
no we dont have good feed to gain ratio in one kid per year and were to fuckiing needy
G2thefarmer 2 years ago
@ekitsyekcul Actually, we don't have sharp incisors. Our teeth have the same structure as a chimpanzee, which subsists on a plant based diet. The incisors thing is a myth, a marketing idea concocted by meat producers to brainwash people like you into believe meat is a necessary part of your diet. Which it isn't. As far as animals being "tasty," that is utterly subjective. Some people can't stand the taste of pork, some hate beef, some hate chicken. "Tasty" is a subjective and relative term.
sherribailey75 1 year ago
pret near not making shit now a days
G2thefarmer 2 years ago
Another example of how HSUS has the meat industry and USDA running scared. Buy locally grown meat from a farmer you know, then you will have all the assurance you need that the animal was raised as God intended. Pastured pigs are the most naturally raised pork. Those pigs in the video are raised on cement and never do get outside. Buy local!
henwhisperer 3 years ago
No it is not an example of the HSUS making us run scared it is and example of us protecting our investments and way of life. Persons like you thrive on "Bad News" and scare tactics. Pastured organically raised pigs are morelikely to be sick throughout life due to the lack of climate control and timely medication. How would you like to spend your winter, in a climate controled home at 70 degrees or trying to stay warm behind tree while the temperature is 12 degrees with 20 mile an hour winds.
ekitsyekcul 3 years ago
pigs require symbiotic soil bacteria. Without them odds are better than 50-50 the animal will require antibiotics before it is 6 months old. As for pasturing pigs in 12 degree wind you wouldnt. Thats what a barn or shed is for. BTW we raise Berkshires and use NO antibiotics. Never had need.
KirkMcLoren 3 years ago
cement/concrete actually wears on pig hooves, keeping them at a manageable size. When hooves are not worn down naturally, the length creates weakness in the legs and ankles leading to lameness and ultimately euthenasia in some cases.
If you do not experience this in your operation you must have an extremely durable and strong animal... which typically does not make for very good meat.
ReinholdMessner1 3 years ago 4
Not true at all. Having access to rocks (a rocky area of the pasture)is adequate to maintain proper hoof wear and conformation. The animal should have correct enough conformation to maintain proper hoof wear. Failure of an animals feet to properly self maintain is indicative of conformational flaws. Meat quality is a function of the overall health and age of the animal. A durable, ie healthy animal, is not necessarily chewey. We hear the comment - the best pork I ever tasted in my life - often.
KirkMcLoren 3 years ago
ekitsyekcul How about indoor AND outdoor lodging!! It doesn't have to be "either or" you know! I have horses and they are allowed to come in for shelter when they choose. They are outdoors probably at least 90% of the time, more often than not they are outside in stormy weather with their rear ends to the wind . What do you consider "timely medication" the meat industry is responsible for the development of antibiotic resistant superbugs due to overuse of antibiotics.. no scare tactic..TRUTH.
longtailrat 2 years ago
Do you have children? Did you get them their tenus, mmr, and other vaccinations? That is timely medication. Why would we over-invest on medication beyond what we need? Further more can you give me an example of a "superbug" caused my animal agriculture?
ekitsyekcul 2 years ago
Gosh, I wish I had seen this snappy reply a month ago. You are full of pig poop. Pastured pigs have shelters and hay, four or five feet deep, to keep warm. I know, I raise pigs that way. The best and healthiest pork I've ever had. I sneer at people like you who do not know what they are talking about.
henwhisperer 2 years ago
Okay here we go again. We don't raise patured pigs, we produce a least cost value-added product. We do not medicate except when we need to and we keep our animals in a climate controled housing facility. You sneer, I pity those that find a niche market and try to force it on the whole by explaining how it is sooo much better, and pity those that are ignorant to modern pork production. Please don't reply just learn and if you want a tour let me know we openly provide tours.
ekitsyekcul 2 years ago
Yeah, it never really made sense to me why a farmer would abuse a pig when the farmer's income depended on the well-being of that pig. I know there are videos showing animal abuse out there, but we must careful not to take a few isolated cases and assume everyone does that.
frecklefart3 3 years ago 2
Pig Care for the Modern day pork producer is a responsibility taken seriously.
salmon5ncsu 3 years ago 2