About The Joker. I think it wasn't Mark Hamill, but Bruce Timm he sad "Instead of him murdering people, we would let give them that hidious Joker grin". That makes no sense cause that IS the way Joker kills.
I'm really glad that you guys took up this topic. It's very interesting to hear your perspective, especially about the lack of consequences. One of the things that I remember from when I was a kid was that it was really hard to make a good hero without violence. What if the black power ranger was a lawyer bringing charges to Rita Repulsa? WTF? What kid wants to watch a legal drama? I really can't think of a hero archetype that I like as a child that didn't include violence.
I think they have a point. Kids don't understand the consequences of violence. They aso need to understand the difference between Fantasy and reality.
It's not this black and white. Tom and Jerry had no consequences whatsoever. And they would shoot each other with guns, blow each other up, and put each other through horrifically violently things. Itchy and Scratchy at times wasn't that far off. We didn't used to have school shootings and these things. I grew up with Robocop, Terminator 2, and very similar movies in the 80's and 90's when I grew up. I was never a violent person. I don't know the answer, but
TV producers realised the problem of violence in kids show and replaced it with something WORSE. Being bitchy, going "DADDY I WANT THIS, DADDY I WANT THAT" and making other people feel bad about themselves. I gre up on violence and I have better conversational skills, a better mind, more brain power and a better sense of morality than any of these kids today. My point Violence in tv was good atleast better than being a bitch on TV. If you don't know what I'm talking bout watch hannah montana.
about the whole violence and in how nobody get hurts and how, in loony toons, its funny, i submit this insightful sayin: pain plus distance equals comedy. you have to suspend empathy.
To verify: they were talking about Mighty Morphin, the show where they played a rock song called "Fight," while fighting human-like henchmen till the movie.
I highly recommend the podcast. They talk about child vs adult violence, the differences in people and psychological studies behind visual media. The answerS & details behind the question and having intelligent conversations about the bad parts of life.
Part of the big idea of MMPR was to save money by making a show that could play in any country with minimal adjustment (just re-dubbing some bits); the whole idea involved playing down dialog-- and therefore, playing up physical action. Bingo: a format with more explicit, shown combat and way less of the kind of story elements that require dialogue.
I agree with shows not showing the conaequences. In Voltron for example a character died and later on his twin turns up in the show. In the English version they dubbed it in such a way that they said the character was only hurt and the twin was the same guy (after he recovered.)
Let us also not forget Dragonball Z. People die in that show, but in the English version they say that they are being sent to another dimension lol.
i like what your saying , but it seems like to me that we had so much mindless violence in the 90s we dont even any violent shows at all now ,the majority of shows on Cartoon network and Nick are comedies with no real violence or morals for that matter what so ever.
I am totally in favor of more violins on TV. Oh, wait...
Maybe relevent questions would be:
(1) Is the violence itself the heart of the story, or is it a story in which some violent events occur?
(2) Is the visual presentation of the violence part of telling a larger story, or does it instead focus in on blood and limbs flying.. The distinction is a bit like the distinction between nudity in classical paintings and nudity in outright porn.
Very interesting video there- but if there is less violence in the shows, the creators can come up with ways to make it interesting rather than being lazy and killing people every few episodes, so the comics could contain all the intellect and sopistacated plots, with gory or extreme violence, with consequences.
u guys still have the rest of this one?
Crazycharliemma 2 months ago
About The Joker. I think it wasn't Mark Hamill, but Bruce Timm he sad "Instead of him murdering people, we would let give them that hidious Joker grin". That makes no sense cause that IS the way Joker kills.
noahdanielg 2 months ago
I'm really glad that you guys took up this topic. It's very interesting to hear your perspective, especially about the lack of consequences. One of the things that I remember from when I was a kid was that it was really hard to make a good hero without violence. What if the black power ranger was a lawyer bringing charges to Rita Repulsa? WTF? What kid wants to watch a legal drama? I really can't think of a hero archetype that I like as a child that didn't include violence.
jadedrakerider 3 months ago
I think they have a point. Kids don't understand the consequences of violence. They aso need to understand the difference between Fantasy and reality.
MrCherryCola 5 months ago
It's not this black and white. Tom and Jerry had no consequences whatsoever. And they would shoot each other with guns, blow each other up, and put each other through horrifically violently things. Itchy and Scratchy at times wasn't that far off. We didn't used to have school shootings and these things. I grew up with Robocop, Terminator 2, and very similar movies in the 80's and 90's when I grew up. I was never a violent person. I don't know the answer, but
xJoeEDangerouslyx 7 months ago
I think it's more complicated than just "seeing violence causes violence."
xJoeEDangerouslyx 7 months ago
Wow there are 2011 views, cool
colinmcom14 7 months ago
TV producers realised the problem of violence in kids show and replaced it with something WORSE. Being bitchy, going "DADDY I WANT THIS, DADDY I WANT THAT" and making other people feel bad about themselves. I gre up on violence and I have better conversational skills, a better mind, more brain power and a better sense of morality than any of these kids today. My point Violence in tv was good atleast better than being a bitch on TV. If you don't know what I'm talking bout watch hannah montana.
Dhruv1223 1 year ago
about the whole violence and in how nobody get hurts and how, in loony toons, its funny, i submit this insightful sayin: pain plus distance equals comedy. you have to suspend empathy.
ededdynedd 1 year ago
that wasnt really batman who got hit by joker gas in The Laughing Fish. it was someone disguised as him so the joker wouldnt get him
TheSkull5000 1 year ago
Do you think Justice League was to violent?
SSj4Monster 1 year ago
To verify: they were talking about Mighty Morphin, the show where they played a rock song called "Fight," while fighting human-like henchmen till the movie.
I highly recommend the podcast. They talk about child vs adult violence, the differences in people and psychological studies behind visual media. The answerS & details behind the question and having intelligent conversations about the bad parts of life.
PRPHD 1 year ago
there were rather severe consequences sometimes in Power Rangers in Space
edward18517 1 year ago
Part of the big idea of MMPR was to save money by making a show that could play in any country with minimal adjustment (just re-dubbing some bits); the whole idea involved playing down dialog-- and therefore, playing up physical action. Bingo: a format with more explicit, shown combat and way less of the kind of story elements that require dialogue.
theRealPlaidRabbit 1 year ago
Jason was just a plot device in the first one. Not a real character until the end.
arkrial 1 year ago
Vince likes violence and "Carnage."
I agree with shows not showing the conaequences. In Voltron for example a character died and later on his twin turns up in the show. In the English version they dubbed it in such a way that they said the character was only hurt and the twin was the same guy (after he recovered.)
Let us also not forget Dragonball Z. People die in that show, but in the English version they say that they are being sent to another dimension lol.
Barbaryotaku 1 year ago
The Power Rangers should do a drug PSA episode! lol
Se7enBeatleofDoom 1 year ago
@Se7enBeatleofDoom They were for DARE in a live show once. It's in a Behind the Scenes somewhere.
PRPHD 1 year ago
mindless violence serves no one except for parent who dont want to talk there kids, if you want violence watch the news.
dvid22 1 year ago
Interesting. I hadn't thought of it this way. Nice work.
ShadesAtKnight 1 year ago
i like what your saying , but it seems like to me that we had so much mindless violence in the 90s we dont even any violent shows at all now ,the majority of shows on Cartoon network and Nick are comedies with no real violence or morals for that matter what so ever.
jqapp 1 year ago
I am totally in favor of more violins on TV. Oh, wait...
Maybe relevent questions would be:
(1) Is the violence itself the heart of the story, or is it a story in which some violent events occur?
(2) Is the visual presentation of the violence part of telling a larger story, or does it instead focus in on blood and limbs flying.. The distinction is a bit like the distinction between nudity in classical paintings and nudity in outright porn.
(3) Is the suffering addressed or hidden?
theRealPlaidRabbit 1 year ago
Very interesting video there- but if there is less violence in the shows, the creators can come up with ways to make it interesting rather than being lazy and killing people every few episodes, so the comics could contain all the intellect and sopistacated plots, with gory or extreme violence, with consequences.
MegaSpideyman 1 year ago