Questions I am now wondering about distilled water. Do we find it in nature? If, so where and when?
Approximately 200K+ years ago when most of us concur that early man was eating the 80/10/10 diet in nature, what was the water like that he drank? Was it closer to distilled water, or closer to just spring water that we would find today?
Other raw vegans say there is a healing power to alkaline water (the alkalinity is of course derived from the alkaline minerals). Your thoughts?
@IronCladBen In terms of our evolutionary background, there isn't much evidence at all for primates drinking water, aside from certain groups of chimpanzees using a certain type of leaf as a sponge and dipping it in a puddle to soak up water and then chewing on it. Other than that, apes don't drink water. In fact, almost all primate species have water as a common territorial boundary. They rarely even cross small rivers. Aside from the interesting Japanese snow monkey, primates don't touch water
@IronCladBen So that leaves primates meeting their water needs from their food. All animals that drink from watering holes have some biologically designed mechanism for efficient water consumption; primates don't, and they don't need it. However, Homo erectus may have been the first in the human lineage to start consuming water in any sufficient quantity. We can discuss some human evolution on your program, if you'd like. I'm also doubtful that 80/10/10 was consumed in nature that recently.
@IronCladBen Another topic for discussion - humans as an anomaly species - quite possibly the only species that developed adaptations to foods anatomically speaking but not metabolically or biologically in many ways. That's quite a lengthy discussion, and in a lot of way make your water questions moot points, yet opening up a much deeper discussion.
@IronCladBen There's much poisoning power to alkaline water. The same way that we can have acidosis, we can also have alkalosis and that's just as deadly. Remember the pH scale, change the pH of water from 7 to 8 and you've just increased its alkalinity 10 fold. That's a tremendous increase. I think it's a flawed concept to try and make up for an acid-forming diet with alkaline water and claim everything to be alright. (cont'd)
@IronCladBen All of my food is alkaline forming, so any water I drink I would like it to be pure. In terms of nutrient needs, including non-food nutrients, what can we survive for only minutes without? Oxygen. #1 nutrient. What can survive for only maybe a week without? Water. #2 nutrient. It's no coincidence that we find the #2 nutrient in high amounts in the #1 nutrient. Eh? (cont'd)
@IronCladBen So could it be the oxygen that's actually important? To be honest, I'm not sure if any of the oxygen from water ends up in oxidative phosphorylation (energy generation) the same way that gaseous oxygen (O2) taken directly into the lungs does. That said, it may serve other important functions. There's a lot to think about. If I was ever going to take a "supplement", I'd consider water to be a supplement.
Damn, just 1 piece of fruit postworkout? I usually have a smoothie anywhere from 700 to 1000 calories.
Oh and also on the distilled water thing. I am all for drinking filtered water, but completely distilled water with no minerals I don't think is good for you. I had a biochemistry PhD tell me that completely de-mineralized distilled water will act as a solvent and actually dehydrate you because it will leech the minerals out of your system. Good for using in your iron, but not for drinking
@IronCladBen Ben, I had 1 banana followed by about 25 persimmons. Sorry for the confusion.
I meet and exceed all of my micronutrient needs from fruit and vegetable consumption. Yes, with a vitamin/mineral deficient diet I could easily see how drinking a large amount of distilled water could set intra/extracellular electrolyte gradients off balance in the body, but if you're eating a high mineral diet with ample intracellular nutrients such as potassium then no reason to have concern.
@IronCladBen Most of what is taught and "understood" about the human body is from sick people, we really don't know much about well people. That biochemist was likely speaking in terms of what happens to people on a standard western diet, who are likely extremely dehydrated and probably drink a lot of fluids. I meet almost all of my water needs through my food consumption, in terms of quenching thirst. It's telling when after drinking distilled water for a year+ even bottled water tastes fowl.
@SamsRawTruth Good point, the guy was probably 70-80lbs overweight. He was a huge fan of biotechnology and thought all the cures to mankind's woes would eventually be one day designed in a lab. At the time I looked up to him a lot, but ever since getting into raw food I see faults of the medical model, as opposed to the health model. It will be difficult to enact such a huge paradigm shift on people who have spent their entire careers going down a different road.
@IronCladBen Ben, I can completely relate to the experience you had with that biochem fellow. You are right that not only would it be difficult to enact such drastic changes in his thought processes, but also it likely wouldn't even be a constructive use of your time. I like how you drew the connection back to a personal level, learning about the health model and noticing a your own shift in thinking. Good work. :)
I have recently been made aware of the fluorine issue in the water, so I am trying to collect more info. What are you in school for, you mentioned lab...so my science geek ears perked up...
@victorbigdipper Yes, fluoridation is quite the problem, Victor. I'm glad that you're now aware of it. I'm in school for a PhD in Nutritional Sciences. We can be science geeks together :D
water is also needed for almost every chemical reaction we have in out body. do you have a kitchen tool that creates distilled water there? Or do you buy it bottled. What is the deal with distilled water, why is everyone so hyped on it?
@victorbigdipper I'm saving up for a certain distiller, although it will be some time before I'm able to purchase it.
Let's not forget that 80/10/10rv is an extremely high-water diet, Dr. Graham himself only consuming 2 gallons of distilled water a week for a family of 3 and a couple of guinea pigs, if I remember correctly. Just something to consider. You're welcome to consume any water that you enjoy, and I'm simply sharing my own preference.
@victorbigdipper Yes Victor, you are right that water is part of many reactions in the body. That said, to my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there seem to be many more water-generating reactions, and thus as a function of metabolism much water is actually produced.
I'm sorry that you feel that distilled water is a "hype", I know that I certainly don't. I purchase bottled distilled water knowing full well that it is only a temporary situation (continued...)
Do you think you could do a video on why you chose the 80/10/20 diet? I'm just getting started on it and am very interested
EmzilyD 2 weeks ago
Questions I am now wondering about distilled water. Do we find it in nature? If, so where and when?
Approximately 200K+ years ago when most of us concur that early man was eating the 80/10/10 diet in nature, what was the water like that he drank? Was it closer to distilled water, or closer to just spring water that we would find today?
Other raw vegans say there is a healing power to alkaline water (the alkalinity is of course derived from the alkaline minerals). Your thoughts?
IronCladBen 3 months ago
@IronCladBen In terms of our evolutionary background, there isn't much evidence at all for primates drinking water, aside from certain groups of chimpanzees using a certain type of leaf as a sponge and dipping it in a puddle to soak up water and then chewing on it. Other than that, apes don't drink water. In fact, almost all primate species have water as a common territorial boundary. They rarely even cross small rivers. Aside from the interesting Japanese snow monkey, primates don't touch water
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@IronCladBen So that leaves primates meeting their water needs from their food. All animals that drink from watering holes have some biologically designed mechanism for efficient water consumption; primates don't, and they don't need it. However, Homo erectus may have been the first in the human lineage to start consuming water in any sufficient quantity. We can discuss some human evolution on your program, if you'd like. I'm also doubtful that 80/10/10 was consumed in nature that recently.
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@IronCladBen Another topic for discussion - humans as an anomaly species - quite possibly the only species that developed adaptations to foods anatomically speaking but not metabolically or biologically in many ways. That's quite a lengthy discussion, and in a lot of way make your water questions moot points, yet opening up a much deeper discussion.
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@IronCladBen There's much poisoning power to alkaline water. The same way that we can have acidosis, we can also have alkalosis and that's just as deadly. Remember the pH scale, change the pH of water from 7 to 8 and you've just increased its alkalinity 10 fold. That's a tremendous increase. I think it's a flawed concept to try and make up for an acid-forming diet with alkaline water and claim everything to be alright. (cont'd)
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@IronCladBen All of my food is alkaline forming, so any water I drink I would like it to be pure. In terms of nutrient needs, including non-food nutrients, what can we survive for only minutes without? Oxygen. #1 nutrient. What can survive for only maybe a week without? Water. #2 nutrient. It's no coincidence that we find the #2 nutrient in high amounts in the #1 nutrient. Eh? (cont'd)
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@IronCladBen So could it be the oxygen that's actually important? To be honest, I'm not sure if any of the oxygen from water ends up in oxidative phosphorylation (energy generation) the same way that gaseous oxygen (O2) taken directly into the lungs does. That said, it may serve other important functions. There's a lot to think about. If I was ever going to take a "supplement", I'd consider water to be a supplement.
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
Damn, just 1 piece of fruit postworkout? I usually have a smoothie anywhere from 700 to 1000 calories.
Oh and also on the distilled water thing. I am all for drinking filtered water, but completely distilled water with no minerals I don't think is good for you. I had a biochemistry PhD tell me that completely de-mineralized distilled water will act as a solvent and actually dehydrate you because it will leech the minerals out of your system. Good for using in your iron, but not for drinking
IronCladBen 3 months ago
@IronCladBen Ben, I had 1 banana followed by about 25 persimmons. Sorry for the confusion.
I meet and exceed all of my micronutrient needs from fruit and vegetable consumption. Yes, with a vitamin/mineral deficient diet I could easily see how drinking a large amount of distilled water could set intra/extracellular electrolyte gradients off balance in the body, but if you're eating a high mineral diet with ample intracellular nutrients such as potassium then no reason to have concern.
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@IronCladBen Most of what is taught and "understood" about the human body is from sick people, we really don't know much about well people. That biochemist was likely speaking in terms of what happens to people on a standard western diet, who are likely extremely dehydrated and probably drink a lot of fluids. I meet almost all of my water needs through my food consumption, in terms of quenching thirst. It's telling when after drinking distilled water for a year+ even bottled water tastes fowl.
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@SamsRawTruth Good point, the guy was probably 70-80lbs overweight. He was a huge fan of biotechnology and thought all the cures to mankind's woes would eventually be one day designed in a lab. At the time I looked up to him a lot, but ever since getting into raw food I see faults of the medical model, as opposed to the health model. It will be difficult to enact such a huge paradigm shift on people who have spent their entire careers going down a different road.
IronCladBen 3 months ago
@IronCladBen Ben, I can completely relate to the experience you had with that biochem fellow. You are right that not only would it be difficult to enact such drastic changes in his thought processes, but also it likely wouldn't even be a constructive use of your time. I like how you drew the connection back to a personal level, learning about the health model and noticing a your own shift in thinking. Good work. :)
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
I have recently been made aware of the fluorine issue in the water, so I am trying to collect more info. What are you in school for, you mentioned lab...so my science geek ears perked up...
glad to hear persimmons freeze well...
victorbigdipper 3 months ago
@victorbigdipper Yes, fluoridation is quite the problem, Victor. I'm glad that you're now aware of it. I'm in school for a PhD in Nutritional Sciences. We can be science geeks together :D
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
do persimmons freeze well?
victorbigdipper 3 months ago
@victorbigdipper Yes, Victor, persimmons freeze quite well :)
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
water is also needed for almost every chemical reaction we have in out body. do you have a kitchen tool that creates distilled water there? Or do you buy it bottled. What is the deal with distilled water, why is everyone so hyped on it?
victorbigdipper 3 months ago
@victorbigdipper I'm saving up for a certain distiller, although it will be some time before I'm able to purchase it.
Let's not forget that 80/10/10rv is an extremely high-water diet, Dr. Graham himself only consuming 2 gallons of distilled water a week for a family of 3 and a couple of guinea pigs, if I remember correctly. Just something to consider. You're welcome to consume any water that you enjoy, and I'm simply sharing my own preference.
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago
@victorbigdipper Yes Victor, you are right that water is part of many reactions in the body. That said, to my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there seem to be many more water-generating reactions, and thus as a function of metabolism much water is actually produced.
I'm sorry that you feel that distilled water is a "hype", I know that I certainly don't. I purchase bottled distilled water knowing full well that it is only a temporary situation (continued...)
SamsRawTruth 3 months ago