My friend, you said blantly in your video that Creation is not a science. I agree, it is a belief. However, there are scientifical findng that support creationism. Also, you stated that evolution is science. In reality, it is just like creationism, a belief. In order to say that a tremendous amount of heat created a bang, and plants and stars, and organisms resulted from the bang ignited by the heat requires faith. Just like creation. We are not asking for much, just equality in teaching.
@brittinikki0915 My friend...evolution is as much a "theory" as gravity. It requires as much "faith". Your gross oversimplification of scientific concepts does not make them any less valid, nor does it promote your truly simplistic beliefs into the realm of scientific study. If you do not want science preached from the pulpit, leave religion out of the classroom.
@HKOverlord117 Dear friend, if you would recall I said nothing about stopping evolution from being taught in the classroom, nor do I wish to hinder the education of young people from the idea of evolution, just as I do not wish to hide the idea of creation from them. Many youth today have no idea what a bible is, and therefore the statement of let these young people learn creation in church is invalid. I do not wish to remove the study of science, just add all beliefs by teaching creation.
@brittinikki0915 Dear sir/ma'am (apologies; I know not which): what I mentioned previously is the reason why ID should not be taught in science classes - it is not recognized as a scientific theory. By all means, teach children about ID/creation science/Genesis - but in religious studies classes. There is no need to muddy the waters with pseudo-scientific nonsense.
evolution is not science. it is an idea posed by the philosopher Charles Lyell. Darwin established the idea into "science" but it was accepted only because nothing could be proven against it. to this day evolutionists cannot explain the concept of DNA or how it defies the simplicity of evolution. there is a God people and a savior. and his name is Jesus Christ!
@faithmusicproduction Lyell was a Geologist. Darwin showed the scientific reason why evolution happens. He didn't even know about DNA and still showed how it happens.
Evolution is science and science does not comment on Gods.
Sorry if they keep discovering things that prove the bible wrong.
Creationism should be slowly phased out over a few generations. A slow and steady social adjustment. Give people time to adjust. Not to oppress people, but simply to bring the world forward. A religious practitioner given a scientific education could have that extra neuron that helps him/her cure AIDS, a form of cancer etc.
Creationism is to evolution as alchemy is to chemistry. Older models of thought that spawned newer models of thought. It was necessary to fill that void, that lust for reason back throughout history but like all ideas, they "evolve". Man kind has always looked for reason and since the dawn of it all he always had a logical mind. This progression is simply that, a progression. The issue here is that man hasn't learnt to master emotion. Hence the unwillingness to let go of the god concept.
If you want to do the right thing, then for the next two years only research what is wrong with evolution and you'll have a different outlook on the whole debate. You see, all (or almost all) of us have been thoroughly schooled in the myth of evolution, because it was shoved down our throughts in public school. On the other hand, most haven't had a fair opportunity to understand what is so wrong with evolution. Try to do some honest research before you support one side of the debate.
If I had kids and they were taught creationism at school, I would press for the teacher responsible to be dismissed. If they refused, I would sue the school for failing in their duty of care. "Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. It is brainwashing with a concept PROVEN to be wrong. Therefore it should have no place in ANY school, public or private.
teaching creationisn along with science in school reminds me of the butter vs. margerine debate. margerine(creationism) is always making the claim it taste just like butter (science) but you never hear butter claiming it taste like margerine.
We should not just question everything incuding and espeally ourselves. Too many people have lazy minds. It's bad enough were getting lazy with our bodies.
@Artmgjr Yet you've already made mistakes about the subject you're trying to oppose. That doesn't sound like knowing to me. Also humans can't come first because there are older animals (and primates) that are/were around long before humans existed.
@Artmgjr However there is a point where they go from "Not being there" to "Being there."
You can plant a good number of explanations from aliens to magic, however we also have a chain of transitional fossils that lead from very ape like animals to very human like animals over the course of millions of generations.
@Artmgjr ... Why couldn't humans come first? I'm going to entertain that question for the whole of five seconds. And this is me being generious. Normally a question like that would signal Strong Bad to hit the DELETED key in my head.
Now to address your question. Because when we dig down far enough, all the human relics and bones stop being there but all the other animals don't stop being there. Humans weren't always here on this planet. You can argue where the humans came from all you like.
@Artmgjr Human Evolution has been Confirmed. We are Apes. We can trace our DNA back to Africa. Our Y chromosome goes back to 90,000 and 60,000 years ago in the African continent whiles Mitochondrial "eve" comes 50,000 to 80,000 years later.
We have many of the vestal features they do. We have broken Vitamin C Genes. All other animals other than primates have the genes for making vitamin C. We don't. We have many of the same ERVs in the Same Places in our DNA.
@Artmgjr You are mixing Super String Theory with the Big Bang Model. Something is off about what you are talking about. However we have our Observations, and right now Big Bang Theory is the Theory that best describes our current universe.
@Artmgjr Based on the best available measurements as of 2010, the original state of the universe existed around 13.7 billion years ago,which is often referred to as the time when the Big Bang occurred.The theory is the most comprehensive and accurate explanation supported by scientific evidence and observations.
@Artmgjr The Big Bang was the event which led to the formation of the universe, according to the prevailing cosmological theory of the universe's early development (known as the Big Bang theory or Big Bang model). According to the Big Bang model, the universe, originally in an extremely hot and dense state that expanded rapidly, has since cooled by expanding to the present diluted state, and continues to expand today.
@Artmgjr For starters, the idea is that we evolved from a common ancestor with apes, and as mentioned by sabertooth, natural selection is a part of evolutionary theory. Second, the use of evolutionary theory in research has yielded byproducts that have benefited society (ex: vaccines). Creationism has not. Maybe you should do some research on a subject so that you'll actually know something about what you oppose.
@Artmgjr Spelling check "Heard". Multiple dimensions doesn't make it for a qualifier that a gawd exists.
98% of our DNA is the same as a chimps. Human Chromosome Number Two is a fusion between two genes that are separate in the other great apes.
Look up your taxonomy. Humans are apes. Everything that defines us is the same that defines an ape. We can trace our linage back to a shared common ancestor with the other great apes. We Are Apes.
@Artmgjr No. Faith is belief without evidence. Natural Selection is a part of Evolutionary theory. If you feel ashamed that you are an animal, then it sucks to be you. You are an Animal. And there is nothing wrong with it. It is a wonder to be on this planet to be alive, we are here for but a short period of time and don't know if there is anything after it. However what we do know is that there is something here Now. And that's what Matters.
@Artmgjr However you are arguing from personal incredulity. Because you don't find the prospect of Evolution or the Big Bang likely then it must not be true.
This however is a logical fallacy. I don't like gravity, therefor can I fly?
Finally, humans didn't evolve from apes. We _ARE_ apes. Our ancestors were apes, our decedents will be apes. We _are_ apes.
@Artmgjr Proof is for math. Meaning is for words. And Purpose is for Tools.
You're want for "proof" is meaningless due to the amount of evidence that is in favor for the Theory of Evolution. We have the genetic evidence. We have the fossil evidence, we have comparative anatomy, atavisms and many other pieces of the puzzle that fit nicely into the concept of Evolution. The Theory is solid.
The Big Bang Theory also has just as much evidence. Ever hear of Cosmic Background Radiation?
@Artmgjr And that's why philisophical skepticism is retarded. Fact of the matter is there is no factual supporting evidence for the existence on any kind of deity.
@Artmgjr Wait, are you arguing Solipsism? The retarded concept in which your mind is the only mind that exists? Then why the fuck are you arguing with yourself?
@Artmgjr No. There are such things as words. There isn't such a thing as "Evolutionism" with in the realm of Biological Science. There isn't any "ism" about this Theory. It is what it is.
I think the best way to deal with creaitionists is to treat them like a toddler throwing a tantrum. If you just ignore them they'll stop and move on, but if you acknowlege thier tantrum it makes them think that they can get whatever they want if they kick and scream loud enough.
Honestly this statement isn't meant to be indicative my own personal beliefs it's meant to procure an air of unbiased intellectual honesty. It isn't any easier to PROVE evolution than it is to PROVE creationism all either can do is suggest. There exists no absolute proof for either position. Also, it would behoove you to do a little more research than a dictionary and your personal opinion of people with different beliefs other than your own. Do a little research on the law of infinite regress.
@drock009 "It isn't any easier to PROVE evolution than it is to PROVE creationism all either can do is suggest"
This is false; you can in fact prove evolution, it simply takes time. Take this article for example: news(dot)nationalgeographic(dot)com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution(dot)html
"it would behoove you to do a little more research than a dictionary and your personal opinion of people with different beliefs" He has, It's right there in the constitution
I would dig learning Scientology in class or creationism that's an easy a. Teachers gonna be like what causes gravity goddidit what makes the sun go through nuclear fission goddidit. See already have a 100 in the class
There is one thing that I must resent about the scientific community. They claim that science is an art of proof and disproof, that "it's conclusions lack finality", and that scientific conclusions "are falsefiable". Yet in any controversial topic, such as evolution, scientists laugh at those who dare to challenge their findings. Sounds like they are afraid of listening to other stories for fear of evidence against them.
Evolution is pretty much proven, we have skeletons of missing links, fish that can survive on land, and many other things. Now if we should teach it for what ever reason, we should teach it in histroy instead because it is not science, there is no evidence to support it, and could easily explained in one of the chapters talking about the history of religion or christianity or maybe Judaism.
side note, the majority of evolutionist are theists or in other words believe in a god
The origin of the universe and the SCIENCE behind it should absolutely be in public schools. For there to be an alternative, there must be scientific proof to support it. Teaching the science, then throwing in the possibility of a creator without any supporting evidence, is infringement of separation of church and state. I do not want my tax dollars supporting religious twisting of the science taught to my kids.
There is a probability however small or strong that the universe did not get here by chance but had a designer. Therefore ID deserves a place in the public school and in the science classroom and as a scientific theory.
First of all, ID is just creationism in disguise (as shown by the Dover trial). Secondly, to people who want to "teach the controversy," why not teach that the earth is also flat. The evidence for the earth being flat has as much academic plausibility as creationism. We don't teach that the earth is flat because we have clear evidence it is spherical. If you cannot provide evidence for a claim, it should not be taught in science class as it is not science according to the scientific method.
Evolution is rubbish. Mutations and natural selection being the mechanism to explain how we got from a single cell to the diversity we have today. What a person of great faith the evolutionist is. How did the first cell get there in the first place? How did matter get there? ID!
Actually evolutionary biology is quite well-supported by the evidence and rather well-understood.. But most importantly its quite useful as a unifying theory between the disciplines in biology to recognise the accumulation of mutations in traits to be the result of adaptations to changing environments and interspeciary and exospeciary competition for resources.
ID however doesn't even pose a testable hypothesis, and even if it did it doesn't account for the 'designer'.
Does that automatically make your religious belief right? What if the Quran is right or the Greek mythology? Depending on who you ask and when thoughout history you will get different answeres?
Evolution is not rubbish. It's a great puzzle that works beyond the shadow of a doubt and more pieces are fitted into it everyday. It's FAR from complete but we begin to see the big picture.
Just because you are ignorant about something won't make it rubbish?
@jirah222 the problem is that ID as put forward now , can go nowhere without invoking religion. It does not mention a creator, only a designer. It does not say when a designer did something or what he did, so thats not science. The only claim it makes is that design can be detected , and thats been shown to be false in many specific cases.
According to your logic why should Evolution be taught? It is not proven. Due to the fact it can not be observed, repeated, or measured it is not science. It is simply a hypothesis, and that is being generous. Why should we only teach one unproven idea in our schools? Evolution is a philosophical question and should be taught as such. What happened to the "open mindedness" athiests so longed for?
It is proven up-to-date. Like gravity. Should gravity not be taught because it is still not un-proven?
And as i stated, evolution doesn't have a church, or a private school, were you can go to learn. We have one place, to teach to educate science, which is science class. Churchs are ment for religion just as private schools, their is absolutely no reason for the need of more religion to be taught outside of these places and to expand to a height unacceptable.
Too add on to this, im not a atheist, but i am a evolutionist. I am open-minded, and i have stated, if evolution can be taught in church than religion may be taught in a school class (As long as it's not science class, because it has no resemblance.) If you hadn't noticed, evolution IS science, and is so far a theory like gravity, which has not been un-proven and at our time in age can not be unproven, expecially by theists who take everything from a Biblical record.
Then why not let all theories be entertained? Why not let I.D. be set forth and debated in public schools. Why are most schools teaching evolution as 'fact' rather then one of the many theories? IT is completely unfair, and no you are not open minded if you force students to study what you want, but allow them to take a side elective and lump all other theries into it. And no, evolution is not "up-to-date proven."
If I.D. can ever prove itself in any way besides "faith and the holy books" (27 of them, by the way) Evolution is taught as fact because it is fact, it has never been disproven but has been proven threw cells, many scientists try to disprove it, but failed. Which is probably why it's taught as fact. IF your logic is true, than gravity should be taught as a "guess" also.
BTW: You have fucking private schools, churches, private organizations, the media talks about god nearly every debate, and we get ONE SCIENCE CLASS. Don't tell me this shit is unfair for you.
Just to fill you in: A true sign of ignorance is cussing. It shows you don't have a large enough vocabulary to use words longer then four or five letters and makes your 'argument' just plain annoying to read.
The media talks about the non existence of God. It doesn't matter that we have churches because you, as a youth, are not forced to attend church. Private schools cost a hell of alot of money that not everyone has. This one scince class is a requirement. Not a choice.
I never cursed anywhere in my argument, so not only are u stuborn, and ignorant but your also a liar. I was forced to attend church as a youth, which is one of the main reasons I'm an athesist right now. The reason the science class is a requirment, is the reason I dont want religion in it.
That comment wasn't directed to you. So you are not just ignorant, your a false accuser. I was raised as an athiest which for the most part is why I am now a Christian. I.D. says an intelligent supreme being created everything. If want to think a 'God' is nothing, go ahead. Evolution says all the complexities and vastness of the universe came from absolute nothing. How?
Yes I do think a god is nothing, for I don't believe any such thing exsists. If your obviously flawed I.D is true where did this all mighty being come from, what created it? I don't believe some all mighty thing came form nowhere, and watches my every move. That is why evolution is the right theroey, in my eyes.
Why do u insist on forcing others to follow your religion, I'm sure u wouldn't like it if muslims demaned haveing the quaran's teachings taught in a required class. Kids have the choice of takeing classes about religion, and it's teachings, some kids don't believe in god; they should not be forced to take on your religious teachings, if they don't want to. There are plenty of religious organizations, we dont need religion in a required class, that all children have to take.
Some kids do believe in God. Yet they are FORCED not choose to sit through classes telling them God is not real. Is it fair to represent no God in a required class, but offer religion in some side unneeded and uncredited course?
By your logic you can see the answer to that question is no.
Science classes do not state god is not real, they do not bring up god, because there is no scientific evidence to prove that he exsists. I am an athesist, so that means I do not believe that there is a higher power (god) controling our every move; and ultimately deciding if we go to eternal bliss, or eternal dammnation. I have a 2 month old daughter, if she chooses to be a muslim, christian, ect I would completely support her,
cont. but thats because she chose that religion of her own free will, it was not forced upon her. Religion is a strong personal belief much like politics, many prople choose not to speak about their religion for fear of judgement by others. Therefore, that is why we have the churches, and the private schools, and even courses in which u learn about religion; if my child chooses not to believe in god, she should not be forced to sit through that, not like she would believe it anyway.
So you are saying that Creationism is a choice (agreed) but Athiesm is a requirement for any non wealthy youth who wants to gradute. And now, tahnks to the 'no child left behind' act, all non wealthy studnets are required to accept athiesm in order to graduate, which they are required to do. Athiesm, like Creationism, is a choice. You would be foolish to argue otherwise. Why is one CHOICE required, but one is left to the wealthy and churches to apply?
No, u dont have to accept atheism, just like u don't have to accept a religion into your life. Being taught about evolution, does not make u an athesist; my brother who is a christain priest, believes that evolution was god's way of creating life, he also believes that religion should not be forced on anyone. He went through the same classes I went through in highschool, and he loves his religion like he loves his wife.
If he believes God used evolution, he is not a true Christian. It means he only accpets what he wants of the Bible. high school you are required on test and such to say Evolution is true. Thereby going against your religion i syou have one. If you fell you have the authority to judge the freeness and happyness of my life, even if you have never met me, then go ahead.
If u were as true a christian as u say, then u would know that god stated, u can not judge anyone or be judged yourself. U have no right to decide if my brother is a true christain or not, only "god" as u say has that power; so u are contridicting your christian beliefs. That person does not have to believe in evolution, if that person's faith is that weak, then maybe they shouldn't be believeing in something like that anyway. If u are bold enough to state how my life is narrow-minded, than I
I do, however, have the right, even under my belief which apparently you think all Christians are capable of following no matter what, decide who is wrong. I don't have the final say. I never said right I said authority. And yes, I do. Because well, you are. You don't my life. You don't know what I do or how I live, so you have no authority on the subject of my life. Apprently you are easily offended.
What authority u don't have any authority, because u don't live with me so u know nothing about my life. It's not a few christians that act like u it's all christians that act like u, when are u people going to realize that not everyone wants to follow your dimwitted religion. I.D is not science in any way shape or form, neither is the bible true in any way shape or form. I never attacked u, u started by stateing how I raise my daughter, which u don't know anything about, and how my life is
cont. narrowminded. My life is not narrowminded, the bible is narrow-mindede. I.D will never be presented in the science classroom, because it is not science; it is out of some stupid book written thousands of years ago, stateing that the earth appeared a few thousand years ago, that shows how unscientific, and stupid putting religion in the classroom really is. An elective course over religion is fine, but I will not have it in a class that my daughter will have to take. She can choose to take
Evolution is not science, see how I changed my mind on the barely. It is a question of philosophy. You do realize not all ID believers are Biblical Creationists? CAme form nothing? So a supreme all powerful being is nothing? No. The 'Big Bang' is nothing. Look at cell mitosis and meiosis. How could that come from nothing? Absolute nothing. Something we can't understand, the universe, came from something we can, nothing? Doesn't make sense.
I already went over this, a being such as this, where did it come from not like u religious ppl can ever answer that; and u can't naswer that simply put because, such a being DOES NOT EXSIST!
He comes from nothing. He doesn't need to come from something. Does Supreme Being not mean anything to you? What if you must work on Sundays to provide for your family? What if you have no transportation? What if there is no church where you live? What if you are pursecuted for going to church? You don't for to church because you don't beleive in an irrelevant fairytale? I never said it was religious. I said philosophical and not science. No, it won't have blown over.
That dosen't make any sense, see I will never equate your therory, because u cant just say this almighty being came from nowhere that makes no sense. there is no supreme being, when ppl say that they sound crazy, and stupid. If u believe in your santa claus that well, then being persucuted shouldn't matter to u. U have a bible teach your own kids. Well if its philosophical it has no place in a science class, u dult it belongs in philosoly class. Where my daughter is not being taught it as fact.
If you have strong beleif that a bridge will hold up but someone tells you cross it and you will be burned alive, would you cross it? You can't say there is no supreme being, for you don't know. No one knows. It sounds crazy to say the vast and not understandable universe come from nothing. Yes, evolution does belong in a philosophy classroom where your daughter is not forced to learn it as fact.
U can't say there is one for u have no such knowledge, it works both ways smart one. I believe if there was such an ultimate being, it would show itself, if it was that great. No, your right evolution dosen't belong in the philosophy classroom where it is not taught as fact; when it is a fact, and should be taught in it's apropriate place the science classroom. I don't nor will I ever even contemplate I.D as a fact, and definatly not as a theory.
Yes I know. I never calimed, as you did, that I know for sure there is a God. He has shown Himself. Specail and general revalation. Read about it. Ok you twisted my words, that I twisted from you, that you twisted from me. I'll start the twist cycle over. Evolution belongs in a Philosophy classroom because it is not science and is not fact by any stretch of the imagination. Haha. You make it sound like theory is better then fact. It doesn't amtter what you accept. Only what is true.
U stated that I claimed that sanat claus dosen't exsist, I'm sure I made that clear; u also said I can not say he dosen't exsist because i don't know, thats true but u don't know if he exsists either. Well as long as it's in a philosophy class, that my daughter can take in college, or highschool if she chooses then I dont care; as long as it is not forced upon her.
No you haven't. You just stated with no proof. If you deny the existence of God then please explain where morals and the sense of right and wrong came from? YOu do know I was talking about Evolution, right? I beleive EVOLUTION should be taught in a philosophy class where it is not forced upon anyone.
I have made it perfectly clear, I deny the exsistence of any santa claus. Morals, and the sense of right and wrong are learned traits, that we usually aquire from our parents or someone close to us. Morals, and a sense of right and wrong do not prove there is some santa claus watching me, what is right and wrong to u could be just fine for others; see that dosen't prove anything. If god is real, please explain to me how the earth is only just a few thousand yrs old, instead of oh lets see about
Ok. Good. Now on what grounds? Where do our parents learn them from? If there are moral laws there has to be a moral law giver. Laws just don't spring up. I'm not talking simply about ethics. I'm talking about unviersal morals. Do you assume just because Hitler thought it was ok made the Holocaust justifiable? 1) YOu don't know the exact age of the Earth 2) The Bible never makes an exact claim to the age of the Earth. 3) If the Earth were that old wouldn't there be more dust on the moon?
Centuries, ago before there was your stupid religion, there were caveman; I'm sure u have heard of them, their brains were small and undeveloped quite unlike ours, which grew as we learned not by santa's hands. Some of the things we learned as we grew were, hey this dosen't seem quite right I might be hurting someone; not from some false god. Hitler had mental problems, not to mention some serious aliments; he had the typical brain of a psychopath, he had no remorse, what he was doing didn't
cont. wrong to him because he had mental issues, he didn't have the typical brain of a normal person. It's called psycology maybe u should study it, not look to some santa claus for all your answers. I don't think u have ever heard of these, there called "dinosaurs" we have many, many, many fossil records of these creatures; now smart scientists wanted to know how old these fossils were so they conducted, tests on these finding these fossils were atleast 6 million years old, actually I think
Ok so a person with mental issues just manages to get into office over Germany. THey were desperate after WWI but no that desperate. Oh. You mean the same test that showed a living snail was 7 million years old? Once again, you don't understand that God is outside the realm of science. He created science, He governs science, not the other waya round. The Bible never says the Earths age. A priest drew it from Historical happenings and unclear geneologies in the Bible.
He did have mental issues, particulary created during his early childhood, this got worse as he grew older; which then led him to his immense hatred of the jews. I reserached Hitler as a child, and an early adult; I know alot about him. I doubt u know anything about the earth, and how its many features make it what it is, so I wouldn't be discrediting ppl that have studied all their lives to work as scientists; they know alot more than u, and no they don't test on snails, organisms that have a
cont. 3 day lifespan. once again u don't understand, I don't believe in your sad, pathetic, fairytale, god. I believe intelligant human beings created science, using their vast amount of immagination, to question the things no one questioned before. No one governs science, science is all about the individual, discovering new things. There is no magical santa claus, and I will never be stupid enough to blindly follow the sheep; in there false made up prophet, who never even exsisted.
Oh so now humans created science instead of science creating humans? I don't know why your explaining to me what science is because Evolution is not science. YOu have no grounds to say He is made up and/or false. I never stated there is, I stated I believe there is. I feel I've said this before. If there is not authority to state He exists, there is no authority to state He doesn't.
Science, did create humans, u said god created science, even though u have no evidence to back that up; so it is irrelevant, what I meant was humans finally started to question things around them, so they used science to answer those questions. I don't know why your bringing up how evolution isn't science, when I.D is CLEARLY, CLEARLY, not science either; I.D is by far the most unscientific thing I have ever heard of. Well, then I believe there is no Santa Claus, and there is not one thing u
cont. the fossils might be older than that. Also scientists studying the earth, rocks, and stuff; and using the data they acquired from earths natural settings, they think the earth is probally somewhere around the 4 to 5 billion years old area. The bible says something about the age of the earth, oh it also says that santa claus made the earth in 6 days; bullcrap scientifically it would take millions of years for a planet like this, to form with all it's features in tact, another statement that
cont. discredits, the exsistence of god. What's on the moon is not dust, it's something else, the moon scientifically was not created that long ago; it's really not that old scientists say. The moon is actually a piece of earth knocked off by a meateor, scientists say it didn't happen to long ago.
Yeah scientist say that now ofter their egotistic humanistic theory is threatened. Did you miss the part where I said I was born and raised an athiest for 20 years? I believe I made it clear you have no authority to establish his non existence. Nothing good? YOu mean like morals, faith, trust, belief, hope? Which is exactly why I don't want my children forced into Evolutionism.
I would believe there theory anyday, when they have lived all their lives studying, and working with the earth unlike u. Did u miss the part where I said I was raised, and forced to believe in your made up santa claus? Nor, do u have the authority to state, that there is a santa claus, since u have no proof of his exsistence; and frankly u don't know. Not like I need authority to state if some false thing isn't there, I can say whatever I want. Yes nothing good comes of religion.
Morals, faith, trust, belief? U can't be ignorant enough to say that can u, thats almost as stupid as saying that ppl will go to hell; for not believing in your false prophet. I stopped believing in those fariytales, when I was 14, and I have better morals then some of the religious ppl I meet; I donate maney to charity, I give up blood, I adopt from the local animal shelter, I wouldn't call that "bad morals". I won't blame u though your ignorant, as for the others, like faith for instance
Well then apperently it's not that stupid because going to Hell is real. Wow, your such a great person! Apperently humility isn't in the list of your good morals. You can't judge all of a religous sect on a few people you meet. I can't judge all of non religious people based on your 'good morals.' What about hope in an afterlife? Hope in something more beond this screwed up, doomed world? It seems you have this all figured out, so whats the measure of a good person?
Again, u state something u have not a shread of proof to back up, yes I am terrified of the fire pit that dosen't even exsist. Thats just another false fairtale story, from your stupid book; which to me is just a waste of paper anyways. I have plenty of humility, to good ppl that deserve respect, u unfortunatly haven't earned any respect from me; so no I won't be humble to u. I don't judge all religious people, I have several religious friends; I just don't like it when they try to get me to
cont. believe in their false god, or even worse when they try to make me bring my 2 month old daughter, to their brainwashing churches, how is that for good religious ppl, they kinda remind of u. I think it would be best for people to keep their religion to themselves, then I wouldn't need to judge them; what afterlife, there is no afterlife, when u die your dead thats it dude. Sorry to break it to ya, and again u have not one shread of proof, to back up your claims of afterlife. I would rather
cont. have hope in my daughter's, and my family's future; something I know is real, not some false story out of a 2 thousand yr old book. This planet isn't doomed, unless u want it to be, I love planet earth; I would never take what I have for granted like u. The meausre of a good person, depends on the person; I for one think that the measure of a good person can't be judged by others, it can only be decided by the individual. U are as good a person, as u want to be.
cont. u can have faith in anything, it dosen't have to be in some false god. Trust, I have trust in many things, I have trust in my fiance, I have trust in my family; my parents regardless of their obviously flawed religion. belief, u can also have belief in many things, I for instance have belief that our economy will rise soon. Hope, I have hope in my family, my parents, our country's future. U don't have to have religion to be a good person, or to have morals, faith, belief or hope. Just
cont. another ignorant statement, made by a religious, bible thumper. I actually think most athesist are better ppl than most christians; think before u type ignorant, ignorant, ignorant, statements, they just make u look like a bad person. And, those exact statements, are exactly why I don't wnat, I.D or religion forced on anyone; especially not my daughter.
My gosh talk about judgemental, u need to calm down; wouldn't want to pop a blood vessal before you have finished the work of sante claus, lol.
Okay, now your just pulling stuff out of the air, guess that further proves your ignorance.
Where, did I say that religion caused the fall of ecnomomy, u should learn read, or read better; I said after u said athesists have no hope for anything(ignorant statement by u) I said I have hope the ecnonomy would rise soon, religion was nowhere in that
I just got done messaging someone that actually has a point. I'm not in the mood to answer the rest of your posts, and frankly this is going nowhere. I'll just reply to the parts where you attacked me. If you would read I said some of those you would remember. Some meaning not all. Not all meaning the stuff about cancer, the econnomy, and pretty much all the quotes except two. Hwo is that hypocritical? I said no one can prove God, not Hell. But your right I can't prove Hell either so I retract
Good, I was wondering when u would finish yabbering on, if I didn't say u shouldn't bring it up, saying I said it. I don't think u proved on thing in this, other than u really need to get out more. Yeah, u do have the authority to say India isn't real, frankly I don't care what u say; but India actually exsist, and has been proven to exsist. God on the other hand does not exsist, and no one even has the slightest amount of proof he exsists; and yes u are a bible thumper, sorry I see that.
cont. statement. I have never even said anything about cancer, I said I donate to charitys, then again I said nothing about religion, in that statement either. Maybe, you just feel guilty, because u don't donate any money to charitys, or maybe your just a liar. "well I guess it's not stupid because hell is real", exact quote from u, hypecritical much; u don't have any evidence to prove there is a santa claus, or a hell so I wouldn't be critiqing me. I don't even believe in afterlife, dude your
(cont) that statement. Do you want me to go find the people who said these things? I know the cancer and economy came from TelsaSagan, he is an idiot and a prime example of the followers of your theory. The one about now knowing why, but God isn't real came from one of his little henchmen. Well then I have the authority to say India isn't real. Whose stopping me? When I have quoted Scripture? Unless you have another deffinition of Bible thumper.
cont. makeing it very obvious that u made all these up, at least when I quote ppl I actually quote what they say; I don't lie, and pull stuff out of the air. Plus, I hate torture, why would I want to go through an eternity of it. I do have every authority to say something isn't real, I don't see anyone stopping me, especially when there is no evidence to back the thing up. Well I will give u that one, I did call u a bible thumper, with good reaosn though. I didn't say that, because I don't
I don't believe in Evolution so I don't have to explain anything about it. Actually you said two. You even admited to two. Seeing as you have nothing better to do then twist my words, bend deffinitions, only use what you want out of my argument, read into my argument what you want, and attack me, I think I'm done with this. Besides, this has gotten way off topic. I believe I won the original topic and realizing you lost you ran down bunny trails. Idk. Just a hypothesis.
I believe, u didn't when the first argument, because u are the one that went off topic to begin with, attacking my parenting skills, then u attacked athesism; so I retorted. Not to mention that the creator of the video, and several other ppl messaged me saying things like, thank u for completley bashing that guy u completely won that debate. So u might think u won the argument, but me and several other ppl think differently. I won the debate, because I don't force lies on ppl. I do agree that
Haha. Right. You expect athiests to say that a Christian won a 'debate' over one of their fellow beloved athiests? Frankly I don't care. The creator of this video has proven himself to be foolish, like you and any other idiot who thinks you won. If it makes you fell better then sure, you won. Happy?
Some of the ppl that messaged me weren't even athesist, they were ppl that kept their religion to themselves like it should be. Wow, using 1st grade insults I would have though u grew out of that by now, guess not. Yeah, I am happy, I think I proved the point, religion is a personal prference; and shouldn't be forced on anyone. U, can that god exsists till the sky turns grey, that dosen't make it true.
If they keep religion to themselves how would you know there not athiests? Ok. Frankly I don't believe you and I don't care. I proved my point that the same can be said about Evolution. it is a preference and should not be forced on anyone. There. CAse closed.
I have not met any athesists, that go door to door to ppls houses, telling them what and how to believe. Normaly the only time when an ahtesist will spout their religion, is when one of u talks about how it's wrong to not believe in your false god. Well I know the comments I read, so whatever. Same goes for religion, should not be forced on anyone, good now please stop messageing me it's very aggrivating.
cont. if it will make u religious idiots shut up, on putting evolution, and I.D in a separate class. But, I do think it's pretty obvious to other ppl not just me who won this debate, and that would be me.
"I don't believe in Evolution." You can tell a lot by the statements people make. In your case, it's obvious that you're ignorant, probably brainwashed and you need a proper education.
I was an athiest for twenty years. That was when I was brainwashed. HAve you noticed they leave all the unbiased information against Evolution out of modern textbooks to hide how flawed it is? And thats not brainwashing?
cont. believe in god, therefore there is no explaining the earth with a thing that does not exsist. U have said so many ignorant things in this argument, I don't think there is enough time in my life to type them all. By the look of how every single statement, u quoted from me I didn't even say except for one; whos the ignorant one here, fill in the blanks.
Oh, and don't even get me started on noah's ark and how its not true, that has to be the dumbest obviously not true story, I have ever heard, and u ppl actually believe it.
Another problem with your I.D santa claus lesson thing whatever, is u just want to teach your religious creation therory. But, if u didn't know there are dozens, hundreads, of different kinds of religions out there; each wrong, but still thats not the point, the point is what about their creation theroies. Shouldn't u be fair to all religions, and teach their creation theories; public schooling is a mixed enviorment, children with many different religious backrounds, your child should be forced
As I said before: I believe either all plausible theories or no theories should be taught. I'm more for the no theories. Yes. We can only worship our 'SAnta Calus.' That does not mean we can not learn about other 'Santa Clauses.' How else could we combat such ignorance? How does that make me not care about Athiest children? All this goes back to what I said previously.
No, u have to teach all santa claus as facts, that is what u stated to do. Not only that, but also evolution must continue to be taught; as u stated all theories (no matter how ridiculos, and stupid) or no theories at all. But, rest assured if u get your stupid santa claus crap into the schools, my daughter's brain won't be the one; thats being spoiled by this religion crap. I will hire a private tutor, and home school her; I won't have her brain be turned to mush.
No. I stated teach all plausible THEORIES. As not proven HYPOTHESIS. I believe I also said PLAUSIBLE which rules out ridiculous or stupid, but yes, Evolution woule be grouped in that caregory. See. Theres an example of you not letting her choose her own way. if any idea is even presented to her that in any way defies your belief, you will automaticly pull her out of the situation instead of letting her embrace it and make her own choice.
Well I believe your beliefs are stupid, so that rules out plausible. She can choose to take a religion course if she wants to, I don't know how to make it any clearer to u; I just dont want to have the bible smacked into her face, and have her told it's true (which its not). If she wants to go to church I will let her go with her friends, I don't want any sort of religion forced on her though. I will not stop her, from takeing any sort of religion elective though.
What? YOur the deciding factor whether or not something is plausible? Geez. How did you get that honor? WHat if I don't want my children smacked in the face with 'The Origin of Speces' and told it's true? All your arguments can be switched. I don't want athiesm forced on my (future)children but I wouldn't stop them from taking an elective about it. See what I mean about they can all be switched?
cont. 4.5 billion yrs old, which is the earth's true age; there are many things in the bible, that are stupid and don't make any sense logically or scientifically, the stupidity, and obvious wrong statements in the bible, and in religion give me all the proof I need to state that god does not exsist.
Do you forget that God is outside the realm of science and logic? HE created science and logic, THe Creator is not ruled by the Creation. Ok. Once again no grounds for such an blunt ignorant statement. I doubt it, but I'll check it out. Now you get my point. I don't want my children to have Evolution forced on them.
Do u forget, that I don't believe in the stupid little fairytales your parents probally force-fed into your little brain. Your right I don't rule over my mother, and father; OH your talking about santa claus again, I thought I made it very clear that he is not my creator, because he just simply does not exsist. U don't have one shread of evidence to prove in your false little-make-believe god, and untill u do, I wont take yours or anyones little god talk seriously.
cont. I have no problem with I.D, and evolution being in a separtae classroom together; or apart frankly I don't care, just as long as my daughter dosen't have anything forced on her. Espcially not religion nothing good comes of it, and I don't want her forced to believe in santa claus just like my parents did to me. It's the worst thing in the world when young children are forced to believe in something they don't want to, especially if its false like religion.
It's called..uh..freedom of speech its in the..uh..constitution u should look it up sometime, probally do ya some good. Well as long, as religion is not forced on my daughter, and I.D is taught in a choice elective; then I don't see any problem in putting evolution in a separate choice classroom along with it. Just as long as my daughter dosen't have to learn I.D. against her own will; I won't have religion forced on her.
I was talking about God and Santa. You can't be serious. Thats majorly twisting my words. MAJORLY. That was a direct reply regarding how your comparison of God to Santa Claus. It had no real grounds, nor any point. Sure, I've heard of cavemen but I don't believe in them. But how would they realize hurting someone is wrong? THey might have gotten pleasure out of it, even though the other person didn't, so they didn't care if it was hurting them as long it made them feel good.
No, I am not twisting your words, tht is the way I preceived your comment. Sure, I have heard of god, but I don't believe in him or her whatever. I didn't say THEY would relaize hurting someone was wrong, I said we evolved, and grew to realize certain things were wrong; u really should read instead of jumping into minor misconceptions.
But how would we realize these things? Thoughts can't evolve. YOu can learn thoughts based on education and expirementation but that relies on previous knowledge, whcih according to evolution we had none of. What is with your ignorant generalizations? I know the Earth has too many characteristics to spring up from nowhere. They test on everything. They tested 3 day life span to test the accuracy, which obviously proved it not accurate.
As our brains evolved so did our thoughts, if u didn't know (which u probally didn't) that their is a certain part, of your brain that is where sympathy, and empthy are created; it is also near the part of your brain that gives u your vision. What's with your ignorant assumptions? The earth's carateristics didn't spring up from nowhere, it took time for all the atoms to set, and start creating this world; it also took time for the atmospehere to form. A snail has a lifspan of 3 days, what more
cont. the elective over religion if she so chooses. But, I will not have religion forced on her. If u want your idiotic, unscientific I.D in the classroom, then I propose we have evolution in the church. If u want to impose stupid views on others, then it better go both ways.
What if I don't want my children to have Evolution forced over them. Does it look like I have much of a choice? No. I love how you just called your ideas stupid btw. Church is a choice. I believe we have gone over this before. Church and private schools are choices that not all people actually posses the power, for various reasons to make. A science class in a public school is a REQUIREMENT by law.
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brittinikki0915 2 months ago
My friend, you said blantly in your video that Creation is not a science. I agree, it is a belief. However, there are scientifical findng that support creationism. Also, you stated that evolution is science. In reality, it is just like creationism, a belief. In order to say that a tremendous amount of heat created a bang, and plants and stars, and organisms resulted from the bang ignited by the heat requires faith. Just like creation. We are not asking for much, just equality in teaching.
brittinikki0915 2 months ago
@brittinikki0915 My friend...evolution is as much a "theory" as gravity. It requires as much "faith". Your gross oversimplification of scientific concepts does not make them any less valid, nor does it promote your truly simplistic beliefs into the realm of scientific study. If you do not want science preached from the pulpit, leave religion out of the classroom.
HKOverlord117 1 month ago
@HKOverlord117 Dear friend, if you would recall I said nothing about stopping evolution from being taught in the classroom, nor do I wish to hinder the education of young people from the idea of evolution, just as I do not wish to hide the idea of creation from them. Many youth today have no idea what a bible is, and therefore the statement of let these young people learn creation in church is invalid. I do not wish to remove the study of science, just add all beliefs by teaching creation.
brittinikki0915 1 month ago
@brittinikki0915 Dear sir/ma'am (apologies; I know not which): what I mentioned previously is the reason why ID should not be taught in science classes - it is not recognized as a scientific theory. By all means, teach children about ID/creation science/Genesis - but in religious studies classes. There is no need to muddy the waters with pseudo-scientific nonsense.
HKOverlord117 1 month ago
evolution is not science. it is an idea posed by the philosopher Charles Lyell. Darwin established the idea into "science" but it was accepted only because nothing could be proven against it. to this day evolutionists cannot explain the concept of DNA or how it defies the simplicity of evolution. there is a God people and a savior. and his name is Jesus Christ!
faithmusicproduction 2 months ago
@faithmusicproduction Lyell was a Geologist. Darwin showed the scientific reason why evolution happens. He didn't even know about DNA and still showed how it happens.
Evolution is science and science does not comment on Gods.
Sorry if they keep discovering things that prove the bible wrong.
gregrutz 2 months ago
Creationism should be slowly phased out over a few generations. A slow and steady social adjustment. Give people time to adjust. Not to oppress people, but simply to bring the world forward. A religious practitioner given a scientific education could have that extra neuron that helps him/her cure AIDS, a form of cancer etc.
DaddyGoodtime 3 months ago
Creationism is to evolution as alchemy is to chemistry. Older models of thought that spawned newer models of thought. It was necessary to fill that void, that lust for reason back throughout history but like all ideas, they "evolve". Man kind has always looked for reason and since the dawn of it all he always had a logical mind. This progression is simply that, a progression. The issue here is that man hasn't learnt to master emotion. Hence the unwillingness to let go of the god concept.
DaddyGoodtime 3 months ago
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If you want to do the right thing, then for the next two years only research what is wrong with evolution and you'll have a different outlook on the whole debate. You see, all (or almost all) of us have been thoroughly schooled in the myth of evolution, because it was shoved down our throughts in public school. On the other hand, most haven't had a fair opportunity to understand what is so wrong with evolution. Try to do some honest research before you support one side of the debate.
CoopersQuill 3 months ago
It's 'then' not 'than.' So much for your public education.
M00nGlitz 4 months ago
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Atheists believe that objects made them what they are.
Evolution is an absolute disgrace to science.
Objects never order anything, mutations never order anything and natural selection will only select what has already been ordered.
Evolution is so irrational that it should be removed from all classrooms.
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JungleJargon 4 months ago
creationism is for the CHURCH
Myytmovies 6 months ago
Wait a second, creationism is being taught in science classes in the US?
Ignitionnet 7 months ago
If I had kids and they were taught creationism at school, I would press for the teacher responsible to be dismissed. If they refused, I would sue the school for failing in their duty of care. "Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. It is brainwashing with a concept PROVEN to be wrong. Therefore it should have no place in ANY school, public or private.
ThomasTrue 7 months ago
Good video. People who take the bible, or any other "holy" book, literally are the most dangerous people in the world.
CEnforce 8 months ago
teaching creationisn along with science in school reminds me of the butter vs. margerine debate. margerine(creationism) is always making the claim it taste just like butter (science) but you never hear butter claiming it taste like margerine.
thesageofohio 9 months ago
you just helped me out with my project. thanks!
TTprawiDS 10 months ago
We should not just question everything incuding and espeally ourselves. Too many people have lazy minds. It's bad enough were getting lazy with our bodies.
PaulineLovesPhysics 11 months ago
@Artmgjr Yet you've already made mistakes about the subject you're trying to oppose. That doesn't sound like knowing to me. Also humans can't come first because there are older animals (and primates) that are/were around long before humans existed.
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
@Artmgjr However there is a point where they go from "Not being there" to "Being there."
You can plant a good number of explanations from aliens to magic, however we also have a chain of transitional fossils that lead from very ape like animals to very human like animals over the course of millions of generations.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr ... Why couldn't humans come first? I'm going to entertain that question for the whole of five seconds. And this is me being generious. Normally a question like that would signal Strong Bad to hit the DELETED key in my head.
Now to address your question. Because when we dig down far enough, all the human relics and bones stop being there but all the other animals don't stop being there. Humans weren't always here on this planet. You can argue where the humans came from all you like.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Yes. Apes do have a common ancestor with other animals. All Life has a common ancestor. What's your point?
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Take a physical anthropology class someday, expand your horizons, and you may find out.
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Then when and how do humans enter the picture if not through common ancestry with apes?
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Arguments from Authority fail. Only Evidence, Reason, Logic and the Scientific Method Work. And you aren't using any of those.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Human Evolution has been Confirmed. We are Apes. We can trace our DNA back to Africa. Our Y chromosome goes back to 90,000 and 60,000 years ago in the African continent whiles Mitochondrial "eve" comes 50,000 to 80,000 years later.
We have many of the vestal features they do. We have broken Vitamin C Genes. All other animals other than primates have the genes for making vitamin C. We don't. We have many of the same ERVs in the Same Places in our DNA.
We Are Related.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr What's that? Evidence? No? then you have no Authority here. Away with you.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Resorting to Ridicule so soon? I have. This still doesn't give any evidence of this god fellow.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr You are mixing Super String Theory with the Big Bang Model. Something is off about what you are talking about. However we have our Observations, and right now Big Bang Theory is the Theory that best describes our current universe.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Based on the best available measurements as of 2010, the original state of the universe existed around 13.7 billion years ago,which is often referred to as the time when the Big Bang occurred.The theory is the most comprehensive and accurate explanation supported by scientific evidence and observations.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr The Big Bang was the event which led to the formation of the universe, according to the prevailing cosmological theory of the universe's early development (known as the Big Bang theory or Big Bang model). According to the Big Bang model, the universe, originally in an extremely hot and dense state that expanded rapidly, has since cooled by expanding to the present diluted state, and continues to expand today.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Then you would understand this:
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Then why does the Big Bang Theory require 11 dimensions to work?
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Cosmic. Background. Radiation. Do you even know what the theory you are arguing says?
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Uh. No it doesn't.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr For starters, the idea is that we evolved from a common ancestor with apes, and as mentioned by sabertooth, natural selection is a part of evolutionary theory. Second, the use of evolutionary theory in research has yielded byproducts that have benefited society (ex: vaccines). Creationism has not. Maybe you should do some research on a subject so that you'll actually know something about what you oppose.
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Spelling check "Heard". Multiple dimensions doesn't make it for a qualifier that a gawd exists.
98% of our DNA is the same as a chimps. Human Chromosome Number Two is a fusion between two genes that are separate in the other great apes.
Look up your taxonomy. Humans are apes. Everything that defines us is the same that defines an ape. We can trace our linage back to a shared common ancestor with the other great apes. We Are Apes.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr No. Faith is belief without evidence. Natural Selection is a part of Evolutionary theory. If you feel ashamed that you are an animal, then it sucks to be you. You are an Animal. And there is nothing wrong with it. It is a wonder to be on this planet to be alive, we are here for but a short period of time and don't know if there is anything after it. However what we do know is that there is something here Now. And that's what Matters.
Also absolute certainty is absolutely retarded.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr However you are arguing from personal incredulity. Because you don't find the prospect of Evolution or the Big Bang likely then it must not be true.
This however is a logical fallacy. I don't like gravity, therefor can I fly?
Finally, humans didn't evolve from apes. We _ARE_ apes. Our ancestors were apes, our decedents will be apes. We _are_ apes.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Proof is for math. Meaning is for words. And Purpose is for Tools.
You're want for "proof" is meaningless due to the amount of evidence that is in favor for the Theory of Evolution. We have the genetic evidence. We have the fossil evidence, we have comparative anatomy, atavisms and many other pieces of the puzzle that fit nicely into the concept of Evolution. The Theory is solid.
The Big Bang Theory also has just as much evidence. Ever hear of Cosmic Background Radiation?
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Then I guess you don't require faith in your religion do you?
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
@Artmgjr And that's why philisophical skepticism is retarded. Fact of the matter is there is no factual supporting evidence for the existence on any kind of deity.
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
@Artmgjr Wait, are you arguing Solipsism? The retarded concept in which your mind is the only mind that exists? Then why the fuck are you arguing with yourself?
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr No. There are such things as words. There isn't such a thing as "Evolutionism" with in the realm of Biological Science. There isn't any "ism" about this Theory. It is what it is.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@Artmgjr That makes no sense since there is no factual evidence for evangelical religions.
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
@Artmgjr There isn't such a thing as "evolutionism".
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
I think the best way to deal with creaitionists is to treat them like a toddler throwing a tantrum. If you just ignore them they'll stop and move on, but if you acknowlege thier tantrum it makes them think that they can get whatever they want if they kick and scream loud enough.
BLARGanot 1 year ago
*creationists
BLARGanot 1 year ago
Honestly this statement isn't meant to be indicative my own personal beliefs it's meant to procure an air of unbiased intellectual honesty. It isn't any easier to PROVE evolution than it is to PROVE creationism all either can do is suggest. There exists no absolute proof for either position. Also, it would behoove you to do a little more research than a dictionary and your personal opinion of people with different beliefs other than your own. Do a little research on the law of infinite regress.
drock009 1 year ago
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@drock009 "It isn't any easier to PROVE evolution than it is to PROVE creationism all either can do is suggest"
This is false; you can in fact prove evolution, it simply takes time. Take this article for example: news(dot)nationalgeographic(dot)com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution(dot)html
"it would behoove you to do a little more research than a dictionary and your personal opinion of people with different beliefs" He has, It's right there in the constitution
virgildog1950 1 year ago
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MusIc4lif3333 1 year ago
If you want to preach your god or be taught about creationism, then go to a church.
NScott45 1 year ago
I would dig learning Scientology in class or creationism that's an easy a. Teachers gonna be like what causes gravity goddidit what makes the sun go through nuclear fission goddidit. See already have a 100 in the class
nextgenvids 1 year ago
There is one thing that I must resent about the scientific community. They claim that science is an art of proof and disproof, that "it's conclusions lack finality", and that scientific conclusions "are falsefiable". Yet in any controversial topic, such as evolution, scientists laugh at those who dare to challenge their findings. Sounds like they are afraid of listening to other stories for fear of evidence against them.
Iroh40 1 year ago
Evolution is pretty much proven, we have skeletons of missing links, fish that can survive on land, and many other things. Now if we should teach it for what ever reason, we should teach it in histroy instead because it is not science, there is no evidence to support it, and could easily explained in one of the chapters talking about the history of religion or christianity or maybe Judaism.
side note, the majority of evolutionist are theists or in other words believe in a god
happyface4444 1 year ago
What a great idea, letting creationism into our schools, making kids believe that whats right in front of them is not there.
ThatGuyOverThere428 2 years ago
The origin of the universe and the SCIENCE behind it should absolutely be in public schools. For there to be an alternative, there must be scientific proof to support it. Teaching the science, then throwing in the possibility of a creator without any supporting evidence, is infringement of separation of church and state. I do not want my tax dollars supporting religious twisting of the science taught to my kids.
MrMitchellLagle 2 years ago
There is a probability however small or strong that the universe did not get here by chance but had a designer. Therefore ID deserves a place in the public school and in the science classroom and as a scientific theory.
jirah222 2 years ago
First of all, ID is just creationism in disguise (as shown by the Dover trial). Secondly, to people who want to "teach the controversy," why not teach that the earth is also flat. The evidence for the earth being flat has as much academic plausibility as creationism. We don't teach that the earth is flat because we have clear evidence it is spherical. If you cannot provide evidence for a claim, it should not be taught in science class as it is not science according to the scientific method.
Monotonous25 2 years ago
Evolution is rubbish. Mutations and natural selection being the mechanism to explain how we got from a single cell to the diversity we have today. What a person of great faith the evolutionist is. How did the first cell get there in the first place? How did matter get there? ID!
jirah222 2 years ago
Actually evolutionary biology is quite well-supported by the evidence and rather well-understood.. But most importantly its quite useful as a unifying theory between the disciplines in biology to recognise the accumulation of mutations in traits to be the result of adaptations to changing environments and interspeciary and exospeciary competition for resources.
ID however doesn't even pose a testable hypothesis, and even if it did it doesn't account for the 'designer'.
GronTheMighty 2 years ago
So let¨s say Evolution is wrong.
Does that automatically make your religious belief right? What if the Quran is right or the Greek mythology? Depending on who you ask and when thoughout history you will get different answeres?
Evolution is not rubbish. It's a great puzzle that works beyond the shadow of a doubt and more pieces are fitted into it everyday. It's FAR from complete but we begin to see the big picture.
Just because you are ignorant about something won't make it rubbish?
heyawhaw 2 years ago
@jirah222 the problem is that ID as put forward now , can go nowhere without invoking religion. It does not mention a creator, only a designer. It does not say when a designer did something or what he did, so thats not science. The only claim it makes is that design can be detected , and thats been shown to be false in many specific cases.
SqueakerAlpha 1 year ago
Good video.
KenCat1337 3 years ago
The only class Creationism should be taught in is religion class, and then it's only taught as a belief of a certain religion.
KenCat1337 3 years ago
According to your logic why should Evolution be taught? It is not proven. Due to the fact it can not be observed, repeated, or measured it is not science. It is simply a hypothesis, and that is being generous. Why should we only teach one unproven idea in our schools? Evolution is a philosophical question and should be taught as such. What happened to the "open mindedness" athiests so longed for?
drummrath 3 years ago
It is proven up-to-date. Like gravity. Should gravity not be taught because it is still not un-proven?
And as i stated, evolution doesn't have a church, or a private school, were you can go to learn. We have one place, to teach to educate science, which is science class. Churchs are ment for religion just as private schools, their is absolutely no reason for the need of more religion to be taught outside of these places and to expand to a height unacceptable.
ReformistSin 3 years ago
Too add on to this, im not a atheist, but i am a evolutionist. I am open-minded, and i have stated, if evolution can be taught in church than religion may be taught in a school class (As long as it's not science class, because it has no resemblance.) If you hadn't noticed, evolution IS science, and is so far a theory like gravity, which has not been un-proven and at our time in age can not be unproven, expecially by theists who take everything from a Biblical record.
ReformistSin 3 years ago
Then why not let all theories be entertained? Why not let I.D. be set forth and debated in public schools. Why are most schools teaching evolution as 'fact' rather then one of the many theories? IT is completely unfair, and no you are not open minded if you force students to study what you want, but allow them to take a side elective and lump all other theries into it. And no, evolution is not "up-to-date proven."
drummrath 3 years ago
If I.D. can ever prove itself in any way besides "faith and the holy books" (27 of them, by the way) Evolution is taught as fact because it is fact, it has never been disproven but has been proven threw cells, many scientists try to disprove it, but failed. Which is probably why it's taught as fact. IF your logic is true, than gravity should be taught as a "guess" also.
ReformistSin 3 years ago
BTW: You have fucking private schools, churches, private organizations, the media talks about god nearly every debate, and we get ONE SCIENCE CLASS. Don't tell me this shit is unfair for you.
ReformistSin 3 years ago
Just to fill you in: A true sign of ignorance is cussing. It shows you don't have a large enough vocabulary to use words longer then four or five letters and makes your 'argument' just plain annoying to read.
The media talks about the non existence of God. It doesn't matter that we have churches because you, as a youth, are not forced to attend church. Private schools cost a hell of alot of money that not everyone has. This one scince class is a requirement. Not a choice.
drummrath 3 years ago
I never cursed anywhere in my argument, so not only are u stuborn, and ignorant but your also a liar. I was forced to attend church as a youth, which is one of the main reasons I'm an athesist right now. The reason the science class is a requirment, is the reason I dont want religion in it.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
That comment wasn't directed to you. So you are not just ignorant, your a false accuser. I was raised as an athiest which for the most part is why I am now a Christian. I.D. says an intelligent supreme being created everything. If want to think a 'God' is nothing, go ahead. Evolution says all the complexities and vastness of the universe came from absolute nothing. How?
drummrath 3 years ago
Yes I do think a god is nothing, for I don't believe any such thing exsists. If your obviously flawed I.D is true where did this all mighty being come from, what created it? I don't believe some all mighty thing came form nowhere, and watches my every move. That is why evolution is the right theroey, in my eyes.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Why do u insist on forcing others to follow your religion, I'm sure u wouldn't like it if muslims demaned haveing the quaran's teachings taught in a required class. Kids have the choice of takeing classes about religion, and it's teachings, some kids don't believe in god; they should not be forced to take on your religious teachings, if they don't want to. There are plenty of religious organizations, we dont need religion in a required class, that all children have to take.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Some kids do believe in God. Yet they are FORCED not choose to sit through classes telling them God is not real. Is it fair to represent no God in a required class, but offer religion in some side unneeded and uncredited course?
By your logic you can see the answer to that question is no.
drummrath 3 years ago
Science classes do not state god is not real, they do not bring up god, because there is no scientific evidence to prove that he exsists. I am an athesist, so that means I do not believe that there is a higher power (god) controling our every move; and ultimately deciding if we go to eternal bliss, or eternal dammnation. I have a 2 month old daughter, if she chooses to be a muslim, christian, ect I would completely support her,
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. but thats because she chose that religion of her own free will, it was not forced upon her. Religion is a strong personal belief much like politics, many prople choose not to speak about their religion for fear of judgement by others. Therefore, that is why we have the churches, and the private schools, and even courses in which u learn about religion; if my child chooses not to believe in god, she should not be forced to sit through that, not like she would believe it anyway.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
So you are saying that Creationism is a choice (agreed) but Athiesm is a requirement for any non wealthy youth who wants to gradute. And now, tahnks to the 'no child left behind' act, all non wealthy studnets are required to accept athiesm in order to graduate, which they are required to do. Athiesm, like Creationism, is a choice. You would be foolish to argue otherwise. Why is one CHOICE required, but one is left to the wealthy and churches to apply?
drummrath 3 years ago
No, u dont have to accept atheism, just like u don't have to accept a religion into your life. Being taught about evolution, does not make u an athesist; my brother who is a christain priest, believes that evolution was god's way of creating life, he also believes that religion should not be forced on anyone. He went through the same classes I went through in highschool, and he loves his religion like he loves his wife.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
If he believes God used evolution, he is not a true Christian. It means he only accpets what he wants of the Bible. high school you are required on test and such to say Evolution is true. Thereby going against your religion i syou have one. If you fell you have the authority to judge the freeness and happyness of my life, even if you have never met me, then go ahead.
drummrath 3 years ago
If u were as true a christian as u say, then u would know that god stated, u can not judge anyone or be judged yourself. U have no right to decide if my brother is a true christain or not, only "god" as u say has that power; so u are contridicting your christian beliefs. That person does not have to believe in evolution, if that person's faith is that weak, then maybe they shouldn't be believeing in something like that anyway. If u are bold enough to state how my life is narrow-minded, than I
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
I do, however, have the right, even under my belief which apparently you think all Christians are capable of following no matter what, decide who is wrong. I don't have the final say. I never said right I said authority. And yes, I do. Because well, you are. You don't my life. You don't know what I do or how I live, so you have no authority on the subject of my life. Apprently you are easily offended.
drummrath 3 years ago
What authority u don't have any authority, because u don't live with me so u know nothing about my life. It's not a few christians that act like u it's all christians that act like u, when are u people going to realize that not everyone wants to follow your dimwitted religion. I.D is not science in any way shape or form, neither is the bible true in any way shape or form. I never attacked u, u started by stateing how I raise my daughter, which u don't know anything about, and how my life is
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. narrowminded. My life is not narrowminded, the bible is narrow-mindede. I.D will never be presented in the science classroom, because it is not science; it is out of some stupid book written thousands of years ago, stateing that the earth appeared a few thousand years ago, that shows how unscientific, and stupid putting religion in the classroom really is. An elective course over religion is fine, but I will not have it in a class that my daughter will have to take. She can choose to take
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Evolution is not science, see how I changed my mind on the barely. It is a question of philosophy. You do realize not all ID believers are Biblical Creationists? CAme form nothing? So a supreme all powerful being is nothing? No. The 'Big Bang' is nothing. Look at cell mitosis and meiosis. How could that come from nothing? Absolute nothing. Something we can't understand, the universe, came from something we can, nothing? Doesn't make sense.
drummrath 3 years ago
I already went over this, a being such as this, where did it come from not like u religious ppl can ever answer that; and u can't naswer that simply put because, such a being DOES NOT EXSIST!
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
He comes from nothing. He doesn't need to come from something. Does Supreme Being not mean anything to you? What if you must work on Sundays to provide for your family? What if you have no transportation? What if there is no church where you live? What if you are pursecuted for going to church? You don't for to church because you don't beleive in an irrelevant fairytale? I never said it was religious. I said philosophical and not science. No, it won't have blown over.
drummrath 3 years ago
That dosen't make any sense, see I will never equate your therory, because u cant just say this almighty being came from nowhere that makes no sense. there is no supreme being, when ppl say that they sound crazy, and stupid. If u believe in your santa claus that well, then being persucuted shouldn't matter to u. U have a bible teach your own kids. Well if its philosophical it has no place in a science class, u dult it belongs in philosoly class. Where my daughter is not being taught it as fact.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
If you have strong beleif that a bridge will hold up but someone tells you cross it and you will be burned alive, would you cross it? You can't say there is no supreme being, for you don't know. No one knows. It sounds crazy to say the vast and not understandable universe come from nothing. Yes, evolution does belong in a philosophy classroom where your daughter is not forced to learn it as fact.
drummrath 3 years ago
U can't say there is one for u have no such knowledge, it works both ways smart one. I believe if there was such an ultimate being, it would show itself, if it was that great. No, your right evolution dosen't belong in the philosophy classroom where it is not taught as fact; when it is a fact, and should be taught in it's apropriate place the science classroom. I don't nor will I ever even contemplate I.D as a fact, and definatly not as a theory.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Yes I know. I never calimed, as you did, that I know for sure there is a God. He has shown Himself. Specail and general revalation. Read about it. Ok you twisted my words, that I twisted from you, that you twisted from me. I'll start the twist cycle over. Evolution belongs in a Philosophy classroom because it is not science and is not fact by any stretch of the imagination. Haha. You make it sound like theory is better then fact. It doesn't amtter what you accept. Only what is true.
drummrath 3 years ago
U stated that I claimed that sanat claus dosen't exsist, I'm sure I made that clear; u also said I can not say he dosen't exsist because i don't know, thats true but u don't know if he exsists either. Well as long as it's in a philosophy class, that my daughter can take in college, or highschool if she chooses then I dont care; as long as it is not forced upon her.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
No you haven't. You just stated with no proof. If you deny the existence of God then please explain where morals and the sense of right and wrong came from? YOu do know I was talking about Evolution, right? I beleive EVOLUTION should be taught in a philosophy class where it is not forced upon anyone.
drummrath 3 years ago
I have made it perfectly clear, I deny the exsistence of any santa claus. Morals, and the sense of right and wrong are learned traits, that we usually aquire from our parents or someone close to us. Morals, and a sense of right and wrong do not prove there is some santa claus watching me, what is right and wrong to u could be just fine for others; see that dosen't prove anything. If god is real, please explain to me how the earth is only just a few thousand yrs old, instead of oh lets see about
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Ok. Good. Now on what grounds? Where do our parents learn them from? If there are moral laws there has to be a moral law giver. Laws just don't spring up. I'm not talking simply about ethics. I'm talking about unviersal morals. Do you assume just because Hitler thought it was ok made the Holocaust justifiable? 1) YOu don't know the exact age of the Earth 2) The Bible never makes an exact claim to the age of the Earth. 3) If the Earth were that old wouldn't there be more dust on the moon?
drummrath 3 years ago
Centuries, ago before there was your stupid religion, there were caveman; I'm sure u have heard of them, their brains were small and undeveloped quite unlike ours, which grew as we learned not by santa's hands. Some of the things we learned as we grew were, hey this dosen't seem quite right I might be hurting someone; not from some false god. Hitler had mental problems, not to mention some serious aliments; he had the typical brain of a psychopath, he had no remorse, what he was doing didn't
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. wrong to him because he had mental issues, he didn't have the typical brain of a normal person. It's called psycology maybe u should study it, not look to some santa claus for all your answers. I don't think u have ever heard of these, there called "dinosaurs" we have many, many, many fossil records of these creatures; now smart scientists wanted to know how old these fossils were so they conducted, tests on these finding these fossils were atleast 6 million years old, actually I think
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Ok so a person with mental issues just manages to get into office over Germany. THey were desperate after WWI but no that desperate. Oh. You mean the same test that showed a living snail was 7 million years old? Once again, you don't understand that God is outside the realm of science. He created science, He governs science, not the other waya round. The Bible never says the Earths age. A priest drew it from Historical happenings and unclear geneologies in the Bible.
drummrath 3 years ago
He did have mental issues, particulary created during his early childhood, this got worse as he grew older; which then led him to his immense hatred of the jews. I reserached Hitler as a child, and an early adult; I know alot about him. I doubt u know anything about the earth, and how its many features make it what it is, so I wouldn't be discrediting ppl that have studied all their lives to work as scientists; they know alot more than u, and no they don't test on snails, organisms that have a
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. 3 day lifespan. once again u don't understand, I don't believe in your sad, pathetic, fairytale, god. I believe intelligant human beings created science, using their vast amount of immagination, to question the things no one questioned before. No one governs science, science is all about the individual, discovering new things. There is no magical santa claus, and I will never be stupid enough to blindly follow the sheep; in there false made up prophet, who never even exsisted.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Oh so now humans created science instead of science creating humans? I don't know why your explaining to me what science is because Evolution is not science. YOu have no grounds to say He is made up and/or false. I never stated there is, I stated I believe there is. I feel I've said this before. If there is not authority to state He exists, there is no authority to state He doesn't.
drummrath 3 years ago
Science, did create humans, u said god created science, even though u have no evidence to back that up; so it is irrelevant, what I meant was humans finally started to question things around them, so they used science to answer those questions. I don't know why your bringing up how evolution isn't science, when I.D is CLEARLY, CLEARLY, not science either; I.D is by far the most unscientific thing I have ever heard of. Well, then I believe there is no Santa Claus, and there is not one thing u
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. can say to me, to make me believe in some false thing, that is not there.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. the fossils might be older than that. Also scientists studying the earth, rocks, and stuff; and using the data they acquired from earths natural settings, they think the earth is probally somewhere around the 4 to 5 billion years old area. The bible says something about the age of the earth, oh it also says that santa claus made the earth in 6 days; bullcrap scientifically it would take millions of years for a planet like this, to form with all it's features in tact, another statement that
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. discredits, the exsistence of god. What's on the moon is not dust, it's something else, the moon scientifically was not created that long ago; it's really not that old scientists say. The moon is actually a piece of earth knocked off by a meateor, scientists say it didn't happen to long ago.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Yeah scientist say that now ofter their egotistic humanistic theory is threatened. Did you miss the part where I said I was born and raised an athiest for 20 years? I believe I made it clear you have no authority to establish his non existence. Nothing good? YOu mean like morals, faith, trust, belief, hope? Which is exactly why I don't want my children forced into Evolutionism.
drummrath 3 years ago
I would believe there theory anyday, when they have lived all their lives studying, and working with the earth unlike u. Did u miss the part where I said I was raised, and forced to believe in your made up santa claus? Nor, do u have the authority to state, that there is a santa claus, since u have no proof of his exsistence; and frankly u don't know. Not like I need authority to state if some false thing isn't there, I can say whatever I want. Yes nothing good comes of religion.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Morals, faith, trust, belief? U can't be ignorant enough to say that can u, thats almost as stupid as saying that ppl will go to hell; for not believing in your false prophet. I stopped believing in those fariytales, when I was 14, and I have better morals then some of the religious ppl I meet; I donate maney to charity, I give up blood, I adopt from the local animal shelter, I wouldn't call that "bad morals". I won't blame u though your ignorant, as for the others, like faith for instance
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Well then apperently it's not that stupid because going to Hell is real. Wow, your such a great person! Apperently humility isn't in the list of your good morals. You can't judge all of a religous sect on a few people you meet. I can't judge all of non religious people based on your 'good morals.' What about hope in an afterlife? Hope in something more beond this screwed up, doomed world? It seems you have this all figured out, so whats the measure of a good person?
drummrath 3 years ago
Again, u state something u have not a shread of proof to back up, yes I am terrified of the fire pit that dosen't even exsist. Thats just another false fairtale story, from your stupid book; which to me is just a waste of paper anyways. I have plenty of humility, to good ppl that deserve respect, u unfortunatly haven't earned any respect from me; so no I won't be humble to u. I don't judge all religious people, I have several religious friends; I just don't like it when they try to get me to
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. believe in their false god, or even worse when they try to make me bring my 2 month old daughter, to their brainwashing churches, how is that for good religious ppl, they kinda remind of u. I think it would be best for people to keep their religion to themselves, then I wouldn't need to judge them; what afterlife, there is no afterlife, when u die your dead thats it dude. Sorry to break it to ya, and again u have not one shread of proof, to back up your claims of afterlife. I would rather
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. have hope in my daughter's, and my family's future; something I know is real, not some false story out of a 2 thousand yr old book. This planet isn't doomed, unless u want it to be, I love planet earth; I would never take what I have for granted like u. The meausre of a good person, depends on the person; I for one think that the measure of a good person can't be judged by others, it can only be decided by the individual. U are as good a person, as u want to be.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. u can have faith in anything, it dosen't have to be in some false god. Trust, I have trust in many things, I have trust in my fiance, I have trust in my family; my parents regardless of their obviously flawed religion. belief, u can also have belief in many things, I for instance have belief that our economy will rise soon. Hope, I have hope in my family, my parents, our country's future. U don't have to have religion to be a good person, or to have morals, faith, belief or hope. Just
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. another ignorant statement, made by a religious, bible thumper. I actually think most athesist are better ppl than most christians; think before u type ignorant, ignorant, ignorant, statements, they just make u look like a bad person. And, those exact statements, are exactly why I don't wnat, I.D or religion forced on anyone; especially not my daughter.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
You wanna talk about Ignorant statements? Hwo about these I have gotten from Athiests:
"Christianity has caused the fall of the Econonmy"
"Chr. has prevented the curing of cancer"
"I don't know why, but God isn't real"
"I'd rather live in extreme torture then be stuck with you for all eternity.'
"I have every authority to say something isn't real"
"bible thumper"
"How do you explain the Earth with God?"
YOu might recognize some of those because you said them.
drummrath 3 years ago
My gosh talk about judgemental, u need to calm down; wouldn't want to pop a blood vessal before you have finished the work of sante claus, lol.
Okay, now your just pulling stuff out of the air, guess that further proves your ignorance.
Where, did I say that religion caused the fall of ecnomomy, u should learn read, or read better; I said after u said athesists have no hope for anything(ignorant statement by u) I said I have hope the ecnonomy would rise soon, religion was nowhere in that
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
I just got done messaging someone that actually has a point. I'm not in the mood to answer the rest of your posts, and frankly this is going nowhere. I'll just reply to the parts where you attacked me. If you would read I said some of those you would remember. Some meaning not all. Not all meaning the stuff about cancer, the econnomy, and pretty much all the quotes except two. Hwo is that hypocritical? I said no one can prove God, not Hell. But your right I can't prove Hell either so I retract
drummrath 3 years ago
Good, I was wondering when u would finish yabbering on, if I didn't say u shouldn't bring it up, saying I said it. I don't think u proved on thing in this, other than u really need to get out more. Yeah, u do have the authority to say India isn't real, frankly I don't care what u say; but India actually exsist, and has been proven to exsist. God on the other hand does not exsist, and no one even has the slightest amount of proof he exsists; and yes u are a bible thumper, sorry I see that.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. statement. I have never even said anything about cancer, I said I donate to charitys, then again I said nothing about religion, in that statement either. Maybe, you just feel guilty, because u don't donate any money to charitys, or maybe your just a liar. "well I guess it's not stupid because hell is real", exact quote from u, hypecritical much; u don't have any evidence to prove there is a santa claus, or a hell so I wouldn't be critiqing me. I don't even believe in afterlife, dude your
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
(cont) that statement. Do you want me to go find the people who said these things? I know the cancer and economy came from TelsaSagan, he is an idiot and a prime example of the followers of your theory. The one about now knowing why, but God isn't real came from one of his little henchmen. Well then I have the authority to say India isn't real. Whose stopping me? When I have quoted Scripture? Unless you have another deffinition of Bible thumper.
drummrath 3 years ago
cont. makeing it very obvious that u made all these up, at least when I quote ppl I actually quote what they say; I don't lie, and pull stuff out of the air. Plus, I hate torture, why would I want to go through an eternity of it. I do have every authority to say something isn't real, I don't see anyone stopping me, especially when there is no evidence to back the thing up. Well I will give u that one, I did call u a bible thumper, with good reaosn though. I didn't say that, because I don't
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
I don't believe in Evolution so I don't have to explain anything about it. Actually you said two. You even admited to two. Seeing as you have nothing better to do then twist my words, bend deffinitions, only use what you want out of my argument, read into my argument what you want, and attack me, I think I'm done with this. Besides, this has gotten way off topic. I believe I won the original topic and realizing you lost you ran down bunny trails. Idk. Just a hypothesis.
drummrath 3 years ago
I believe, u didn't when the first argument, because u are the one that went off topic to begin with, attacking my parenting skills, then u attacked athesism; so I retorted. Not to mention that the creator of the video, and several other ppl messaged me saying things like, thank u for completley bashing that guy u completely won that debate. So u might think u won the argument, but me and several other ppl think differently. I won the debate, because I don't force lies on ppl. I do agree that
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Haha. Right. You expect athiests to say that a Christian won a 'debate' over one of their fellow beloved athiests? Frankly I don't care. The creator of this video has proven himself to be foolish, like you and any other idiot who thinks you won. If it makes you fell better then sure, you won. Happy?
drummrath 3 years ago
Some of the ppl that messaged me weren't even athesist, they were ppl that kept their religion to themselves like it should be. Wow, using 1st grade insults I would have though u grew out of that by now, guess not. Yeah, I am happy, I think I proved the point, religion is a personal prference; and shouldn't be forced on anyone. U, can that god exsists till the sky turns grey, that dosen't make it true.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
If they keep religion to themselves how would you know there not athiests? Ok. Frankly I don't believe you and I don't care. I proved my point that the same can be said about Evolution. it is a preference and should not be forced on anyone. There. CAse closed.
drummrath 3 years ago
I have not met any athesists, that go door to door to ppls houses, telling them what and how to believe. Normaly the only time when an ahtesist will spout their religion, is when one of u talks about how it's wrong to not believe in your false god. Well I know the comments I read, so whatever. Same goes for religion, should not be forced on anyone, good now please stop messageing me it's very aggrivating.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. if it will make u religious idiots shut up, on putting evolution, and I.D in a separate class. But, I do think it's pretty obvious to other ppl not just me who won this debate, and that would be me.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Get real!
SaerdnaOoOoo 3 years ago
"I don't believe in Evolution." You can tell a lot by the statements people make. In your case, it's obvious that you're ignorant, probably brainwashed and you need a proper education.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
I was an athiest for twenty years. That was when I was brainwashed. HAve you noticed they leave all the unbiased information against Evolution out of modern textbooks to hide how flawed it is? And thats not brainwashing?
drummrath 3 years ago
I doubt that you were an atheist. By the way, atheism has nothing to do with evolution, so again, you're confused.
Do you also doubt gravitational, nuclear and germ theory?
What unbiased information do they leave out?
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
That is the truth. Atheism and Macro Evolution has absolutely nothing in coherence.
ReformistSin 3 years ago
@ReformistSin i think you are a creationist, only creationist say "macro evolution" and that we are a democracy.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
cont. believe in god, therefore there is no explaining the earth with a thing that does not exsist. U have said so many ignorant things in this argument, I don't think there is enough time in my life to type them all. By the look of how every single statement, u quoted from me I didn't even say except for one; whos the ignorant one here, fill in the blanks.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Oh, and don't even get me started on noah's ark and how its not true, that has to be the dumbest obviously not true story, I have ever heard, and u ppl actually believe it.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Another problem with your I.D santa claus lesson thing whatever, is u just want to teach your religious creation therory. But, if u didn't know there are dozens, hundreads, of different kinds of religions out there; each wrong, but still thats not the point, the point is what about their creation theroies. Shouldn't u be fair to all religions, and teach their creation theories; public schooling is a mixed enviorment, children with many different religious backrounds, your child should be forced
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
As I said before: I believe either all plausible theories or no theories should be taught. I'm more for the no theories. Yes. We can only worship our 'SAnta Calus.' That does not mean we can not learn about other 'Santa Clauses.' How else could we combat such ignorance? How does that make me not care about Athiest children? All this goes back to what I said previously.
drummrath 3 years ago
No, u have to teach all santa claus as facts, that is what u stated to do. Not only that, but also evolution must continue to be taught; as u stated all theories (no matter how ridiculos, and stupid) or no theories at all. But, rest assured if u get your stupid santa claus crap into the schools, my daughter's brain won't be the one; thats being spoiled by this religion crap. I will hire a private tutor, and home school her; I won't have her brain be turned to mush.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
No. I stated teach all plausible THEORIES. As not proven HYPOTHESIS. I believe I also said PLAUSIBLE which rules out ridiculous or stupid, but yes, Evolution woule be grouped in that caregory. See. Theres an example of you not letting her choose her own way. if any idea is even presented to her that in any way defies your belief, you will automaticly pull her out of the situation instead of letting her embrace it and make her own choice.
drummrath 3 years ago
Well I believe your beliefs are stupid, so that rules out plausible. She can choose to take a religion course if she wants to, I don't know how to make it any clearer to u; I just dont want to have the bible smacked into her face, and have her told it's true (which its not). If she wants to go to church I will let her go with her friends, I don't want any sort of religion forced on her though. I will not stop her, from takeing any sort of religion elective though.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
What? YOur the deciding factor whether or not something is plausible? Geez. How did you get that honor? WHat if I don't want my children smacked in the face with 'The Origin of Speces' and told it's true? All your arguments can be switched. I don't want athiesm forced on my (future)children but I wouldn't stop them from taking an elective about it. See what I mean about they can all be switched?
drummrath 3 years ago
cont. 4.5 billion yrs old, which is the earth's true age; there are many things in the bible, that are stupid and don't make any sense logically or scientifically, the stupidity, and obvious wrong statements in the bible, and in religion give me all the proof I need to state that god does not exsist.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Do you forget that God is outside the realm of science and logic? HE created science and logic, THe Creator is not ruled by the Creation. Ok. Once again no grounds for such an blunt ignorant statement. I doubt it, but I'll check it out. Now you get my point. I don't want my children to have Evolution forced on them.
drummrath 3 years ago
Do u forget, that I don't believe in the stupid little fairytales your parents probally force-fed into your little brain. Your right I don't rule over my mother, and father; OH your talking about santa claus again, I thought I made it very clear that he is not my creator, because he just simply does not exsist. U don't have one shread of evidence to prove in your false little-make-believe god, and untill u do, I wont take yours or anyones little god talk seriously.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. I have no problem with I.D, and evolution being in a separtae classroom together; or apart frankly I don't care, just as long as my daughter dosen't have anything forced on her. Espcially not religion nothing good comes of it, and I don't want her forced to believe in santa claus just like my parents did to me. It's the worst thing in the world when young children are forced to believe in something they don't want to, especially if its false like religion.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
It's called..uh..freedom of speech its in the..uh..constitution u should look it up sometime, probally do ya some good. Well as long, as religion is not forced on my daughter, and I.D is taught in a choice elective; then I don't see any problem in putting evolution in a separate choice classroom along with it. Just as long as my daughter dosen't have to learn I.D. against her own will; I won't have religion forced on her.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
Nope couldn't find where I said that. Please quote me if you can find it because I don't believe you.
drummrath 3 years ago
quote form u on pg 3:
Thats the only comparison u can think of, on what grounds?
How about there both assumed men.
They both have the assumed appreence of a human.
They both have aspects uncanny and not accepted in the physical world.
They both can have flying reindeer if they choose.
They are the one organism that can survive on the north pole.
unquote: and some other stuff u typed, but this comment u typed; was a direct reply to my comment about how if u are going to teach one
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
I was talking about God and Santa. You can't be serious. Thats majorly twisting my words. MAJORLY. That was a direct reply regarding how your comparison of God to Santa Claus. It had no real grounds, nor any point. Sure, I've heard of cavemen but I don't believe in them. But how would they realize hurting someone is wrong? THey might have gotten pleasure out of it, even though the other person didn't, so they didn't care if it was hurting them as long it made them feel good.
drummrath 3 years ago
No, I am not twisting your words, tht is the way I preceived your comment. Sure, I have heard of god, but I don't believe in him or her whatever. I didn't say THEY would relaize hurting someone was wrong, I said we evolved, and grew to realize certain things were wrong; u really should read instead of jumping into minor misconceptions.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
But how would we realize these things? Thoughts can't evolve. YOu can learn thoughts based on education and expirementation but that relies on previous knowledge, whcih according to evolution we had none of. What is with your ignorant generalizations? I know the Earth has too many characteristics to spring up from nowhere. They test on everything. They tested 3 day life span to test the accuracy, which obviously proved it not accurate.
drummrath 3 years ago
As our brains evolved so did our thoughts, if u didn't know (which u probally didn't) that their is a certain part, of your brain that is where sympathy, and empthy are created; it is also near the part of your brain that gives u your vision. What's with your ignorant assumptions? The earth's carateristics didn't spring up from nowhere, it took time for all the atoms to set, and start creating this world; it also took time for the atmospehere to form. A snail has a lifspan of 3 days, what more
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. do u want me to say about it?
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. religious creation theory, u must teach all of them.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. good.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
cont. the elective over religion if she so chooses. But, I will not have religion forced on her. If u want your idiotic, unscientific I.D in the classroom, then I propose we have evolution in the church. If u want to impose stupid views on others, then it better go both ways.
xxdarkwolfgrrlxx 3 years ago
What if I don't want my children to have Evolution forced over them. Does it look like I have much of a choice? No. I love how you just called your ideas stupid btw. Church is a choice. I believe we have gone over this before. Church and private schools are choices that not all people actually posses the power, for various reasons to make. A science class in a public school is a REQUIREMENT by law.
drummrath 3 years ago