I find it interesting that the firefighter says we should just forget about it. In fact, the last thing he says "there's theories on everything. We still don't know who kill Kennedy." What if both were done by the same group? Possible?
this fire fighter is is another shill... who said, the families are the only consideration here ?
Get real.....3000 murdered, no one bought to justice, lies ,coverup, this was the greatest crime in the history of the world and we get a do gooder like this ...jeez
This fox idiot even says "provided evidence...blah blah blah for a building known as WTC7" wasn't this what they were calling it fukn 9 years ago, you guys gotta cancel FOX
KMPH doesn't know how to deal with the subject. The effort to hogwash one person's unsubstantiated beliefs against evidence supported by over 1000 professionals just does not work
I'm a firefighter & I can truthfully say we need another investigation as the real terrorists are still at the healm of the richest military industrial complex thats ever excisted & they all need the chair for commiting that horrific act. Listen to the experts who arn't directly funded by war profiteering sections of your government. Wonder how much that firefighter was payed to dishonour the over 300 fallen ff's of thad day, they deserve truth & justice!
@maximus2908 Why did the FDNY union stay silent if they thought their brothers were murdered? Wee they in on it as well? Or are you a member of the .01% fringe?
@shooter686@shooter686 Sadly everyone has their price. As former CIA director William Colby stated "The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media." This is most evident if you know much about politics. On top of that they own the largest military industrial complex on earth and they're close business partners with the richest single institution, the federal reserve. If anyone has the power to silence a union its the CIA.
@maximus2908 Sounds like you used a set of 3 broken links to form your speculation. You must have so few facts, you are forced to speculate to such a degree.
Hint: The CIA doesn't own the military. I suggest you stay away from movies as your source for what the CIA can and cannot do.
@shooter686 If you're such the expert what qualifications do you hold & what is your job title? Maybe you could also explain to me how pools of moulten steal were found under tower 1 2 & wtc 7 by firefighters days after the attacks under tons of rubble still glowing red hot at 2000 degrees fahrenheit when jet fuels maximum burning temperature is 1500 df. Hmmm what burns at such extreme temperatures and has its own oxygen supply I wonder?
@maximus2908 If you add up the entire explosives and demolition experience of Gage, Jones, Griffin, Avery, and then next 30 CT leaders, I have about 16 more years of hands on experience.
Molten metal found was due to trapped heat from the fires burning during the collapse. Explosives or incendiary devices do not cause molten metal. They burn too quickly.
If it had its own oxygen, then it would burn its own fuel in a few minutes, not days, not weeks.
@shooter686 Molten metal found was due to trapped heat from the fires burning during the collapse? Haha funny that reason isn't even mentioned in the NIST report where did you get that from I wonder? And just to state the obvious that still doesn't explain it in the slightest. Explain to me how red hot molten steel was found 500 df hotter than jet fuels maximum burning temperature days later under tons of concrete. Are you assuming trapped heat with no ignition source increases the hear? REALLY?
@maximus2908 What was the NIST answer? The4y didn't make one? The jet fuel was not a factor as it burned off in less than 10 minutes after impact. So by using jet fuel in any of your arguments proves you know nothing of the topic. The trapped fires were burning for weeks, how would it have not had an ignition? Please read what you type before hitting 'post'.
Also chemistry professor Niels Harrit, Dr Steve Jones & 7 other scientists have found nano thermite in the multiple wtc dust samples extracted from ground zero. Thermate(thermite + sulpher) burns at near 4000 df, produces molten metal as a by product & has its own oxygen supply. The steal core would have converted to molten metal very quickly as steal melts at 2750 df, this may also explain how the towers collapse sped up as the collapses progressed which goes against the basic laws of physics.
@maximus2908 Those so-called "scientists" found the elements of thermite. If you actually reads the report, you would have seen this. Also, they are making the presumption that a binary explosive can stop reacting once started. That means this would be the first time in history a binary explosive can do that.
1. Thermite stops burning once it is consumed. So after about 5 minutes, it would stop burning. So, if it stopped after 5 minutes, how would it last for weeks?
@shooter686 LISTEN TO YOUR SELF STUPID YOU THINK A COUPLE OF GALLONS OF FUEL CAN BURN LIKE THAT PLEAS ALLSO IF THER WAS THAT MUTCH JET FUEL STILL IN THE BUILDINGS THEN WHY WAS NONE OF IT BURNING DOWN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS IT WOULD HAVE BURND DOWN MORE THAN HALF THE BUILDINGS THAT MEANS THERE WOULD HAVE BEN FLAMES COVERING MORE THAN HALF THE BUILDINGON THE OUT SIDE NOT TO MENTION THAY REALEASED RECORDED
@jawman6 Nobody from any govt or scientific agency ever claimed jet fuel caused any part of the building to melt or lose strength. The jet fuel started the office fires and that fire caused the steel trusses to fail.
Is the fact that you used all caps, no punctuation, had grammar and spelling errors all a part of the irony of you calling anybody stupid?
@shooter686 CONVERSATIONS OF ONE OF THE FIRE CHIEFS THAT HIM AND HIS FIRE CREW HAD MADE IT TO THE FLOORS THAT HAD THE MOST DAMAGE AND SAID THAY COULD HAVE IT UNDER CONTROLL IN NO TIME THAT THE MOST OF THE FIRE WAS OUT ALL READY
@jawman6 Yes, they had 2 firefighters reach the area 2 floors below the impacted area. From their vantage point, they saw very little fire and said they could handle it with 2 lines. Had they continued up 2 more floors they would have seen the extreme damage and been inside the uncontrolled fire that the whole world saw. So, based on you picking 1 out of the 200+ testimonies, you proved you are guilty of selective evidence hunting and ignoring 99% of the exculpatory evidence present. Why?
So what burns hotter than jet fuel and would leave pools of molten steal under tower 1,2 & wtc 7 then hmmm? You think trapped heat from the jet fuel, which burns at 1500 df max melted steal which melts at 2750df? You are the weakest link good bye!
@maximus2908 If it were thermite, why did your scientists friends find such a small amount of it? If you wanted to level 2 110-story towers, it would be more than just the small sample they found. Also, how does thermite burn laterally? If it truly melted the vertical steel beams, how would that be possible?
It seems you are making assumptions on headlines and not the facts of the work. I suggest you get past the headline and read it completely.
Its pretty simple if you think about it. Think of the entire mass of the twin towers, the amount of concrete that was pulverized in to dust. As you only need enough thermite with just enough explosives to buckle key structual load bearing points, which compared to the rest of the mass of the entire twin towers is a very small area the ratio of concrete and other materials compared to thermate its obviously going to be much much higher.
Also being nano thermite the particles would be extremely fine, hence 'nano'. Are we learning yet? So much of it would have blown away or washed down drains. You are aware FEMA had 'all' the structual steal removed, melted down, shipped over seas and sold before forensic analysis could take place. That seriously goes against federal crime scene laws & being a firefighter I can tell you even very small fires which cause no loss of life are investigated very thoroughly, no evidence removed at all.
@maximus2908 Much of it would not be "blown away or washed down the drain. Much like all the concrete dust didn't just get washed down a drain. If the dust was piled as high as it was, so would the residue of the thermite. Also, there is 300 tons of the steel kept to this day for testing. So your claim that it was melted and shipped before testing is a lie told by a few CTists. I guess it is now parroted as if it were factual.
@maximus2908 OK, then if you "buckled" key columns, then you would not have free fall speeds. Also, how did an incendiary device cut laterally on a vertical beam. Also, since the collapse started at the impact points, you are saying the incendiary devices withstood the temps of the uncontrolled fires?
It sound to me you are speculating based on a guess of what happened. So that means you have no facts to support your guesses or speculation.
Also to answer your other question the nano thermate could have been placed above key structual joins connecting the horizontal H beams to the core vertical beams and the tubestructure outer walls. This would explain the bizare pankaking effect we saw on 9/11 3 times in 1 day! Do you think highrises reguarly collapse from the top (the part of the building bearing the least load) then collapse straight through the path of maximum resistance instead of finding the easiest path to follow?
@maximus2908 You are proving that the pancaking caused the collapse? Then how did the trusses survive the intense heat, yet thermite was only possible to have done the damage? Either thermite cut vertical beams, or it cut trusses that the heat could not. I think you are inventing your answers as you go along and do not have any factual support for them.
If a 25 floor section was weighing down on a 5 floor section weakened by uncontrolled fires, then it would collapse
And not only that the collapses of all 3 buildings sped up instead of slowed down. Picture a bull running down a long corridor through 5 broken weakened doors followed by 100 or so closed doors. Maybe this may help you realize how implausible this really is. its quite blatant the bulls going to encounter a lot more resistance with the closed doors than the broken doors, the bull believe it or not will slow down when it encounters more and more resistance.
@maximus2908 Do you think gravity causes something to accelerate to terminal velocity or does it slow it down? By saying the fact that it sped up was proof of something tells me you do not understand basic physics. Do you think the mass of the collapsing portion of the building stayed the same or got heavier as the floor accumulated? Trying a bull story also tells me you do not understand basic physics. Nor do you understand vertical momentum.
@shooter686 YOUSTILL CANT HAVE FREE FALL SPEED PLUSS THE BUILDING TOOK MOST OF THE HIT ON ITS SIDE AND STARTED TO TOPPLE TO ITS SIDE YET THE REST WENT STRAIT DOWN COME ON WAKE UP
@shooter686 yes as a matter of fact strait down only happens when some thing is not below it to change its course pluss there wasnt any fires in any of the buildings that were burning all points of these buildings to cause them to fall strait down the steel would have had to ben weakening at the same time or els
@shooter686 you have resistence look at the first building that fell the top portion of that building did not fall strait down so why did the rest of it fall strait down all of the weight from the top portion of the building came down on one side of the lower part of the building allso how do you explain the building falling at free fall speed and no it could not speed up from momentome at least not enough
@shooter686 at least not enough to fall at free fall speed look at some controlled demmos that went wrong in every case the objects fell to one side or another why didnt the empire state building fall yes the second building got hit lower
@jawman6 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
@jawman6down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
@jawman6 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
@jawman6 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
@shooter686 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
@shooter686 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it ooo
@shooter686@shooter686 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it ooo
Hence buildings have only ever collapsed straight through them selves in controlled demolitions. Oh except for on 9/11 when 3 buildings all collapsed straight through the paths of maximum for no plausible reason the govenment has yet to give us.
@maximus2908 Gravity pulls things straight down. The only way it would go to one side or the other is if there was a lateral force. Since there was no lateral force, it continued to fall straight down. You claim that only CD's fall straight down proves you know very little about basic physics and how collapses work. Also, the govt has given us the reasons. If you cannot/will not read it, that doesn't mean they didn't give it. Look up and read the NIST reports. It is spelled out clearly.
Your pretty good at delivering petty insults & your terminal velocity argument is quite impressive but before I sink it, it would be nice if you answer my 1st question, the fact that you still havn't gives me reason to believe you can't. I'll ask 1 last time before I give up, maybe I need to be a little clearer. What ignition source do you think could have caused fires under tons of rubble to burn over 2750 df under all 3 wtc buildings? What caused the molten pools of steal?
@maximus2908 The office fires that were burning before the collapse remained burning after the collapse. These fires did not have the availability to vent the heat or to be extinguished, so they remained burning for weeks until they could be vented. The temp of these fires have not been measured since they were beneath the rubble. Speculation can always be made as to the, but scientific estimates would be much more accurate.
What sort of dangerous substance would have had a place in all 3 wtc buildings, when in fire terms they're high risk as they were packed with thousands of people on a daily basis? Do you think regular office material burns hot enough to melt steal? Do you think the diesel from the back up power generators in WTC7 burned hot enough to melt the structual steal causing a complete symetrical, collapse straight down through the path of maximum resitance? You basically are if you support the gov story
@maximus2908 Regular office equipment becomes hazardous when on fire. Before the collapse, there was no need or ability of the temps to melt steel (note spelling) as the temp was high enough to cause the steel to lose it strength to the point of truss failure. In all 3 towers, there was a combination of extreme damage and uncontrolled office fires. Each had its own point of collapse once the steel beams lost their ability to hold the weight of the portion of the building above the damage.
@maximus2908 The two FF for so-called 911 truth are guessing from 3000 miles away and never were at GZ. The fact that you wouldn't know if you were being lied to tells me that you WANT this to be real for some sick reason.
Ask the "leader" of that group how many years of explosives training he has. What incendiary devices? He has been to a couple demonstrations and no hands on. That is your expert? Really?
I wonder how much this bozo was paid! ALL of the other firefighters seem to disagree with him. The mass zombies are so brainwashed that they'll believe anything the government tells them - no matter how absurd or ridiculous!
@shooter686 you must work for the goverment to turn your back on the truth you do know that suporting the govermennt does not make you an american if any thing it makes you a liar because you will never find any truth in in the goverment that is why thay ha d all of that gold loaded into dump trucks befor the buildings fell
i still believe the 'government' blew up those buildings and killed thousands of americans to provocate hatred against any arabians or afghanistans to have a reason to start a war, thats my opinion.
i havent got any facts or prooves but i can imagine well what is their intention. its more than shocking and inhuman thats one of the biggest crimes ever!
There were no explosive residue EVER found. There were no shock waves of explosives, there were no primary or secondary explosions necessary for a controlled demolition.
So what are you talking about? Where are you getting your information about explosives and demolition?
An out of work architect? A professor of Folklore? Who is your explosives expert?
@JohnnyFaroe I googled explosives and got several experts that said it would be impossible for it to have been explosives that dropped the towers. I googled Steven Jones and got a report that he was fired for bypassing standard scientific practice in doing research. So, how does he stand with .01% of scientists and the other 99.9% seem wrong in your eyes?
What was his background in incendiary devices or binary explosives?
Because there aren't any "original" aspects to express . Every thing has been looked at 100 times over. He is merely consolidating them.
Who's paying your bills? Aslo he states he is working on a project during the presentation. If he lost it how, why and who pulled the plug should be your real question
There has been demo guys on this continient but the vids are pulled. There was even a 757 test pilot who said the turns were impossible even for him, that has been removed from the net.
How many people here know that Gage is living off of 9-11 now that he lost his gym designing job?
So, who are paying his bills?
Why did he assemble over 1000 expert architects and engineers and yet cannot come up with an ounce of original talking points?
Why has there yet to be a single explosives or demolition expert to come forth on this continent to agree with any of the non experts inventing claims that explosives cannot do?
Paying his bills? Are you kidding me!!!??? That has nothing to do with the facts, only misleading. Discrediting is what defensive and prosecuting attorneys try to accomplish if his or her facts are damaging to their case. This is similiar.
@jawman6 I believe he,Shooter686, is a shill for the man. Not only does he have 16 years+ of exsplosive experience(supposedly) but he has countered almost every post with "official" stories that have as much sway as NIST. Don't bother replying, countering or retorting his blind obedience to the man. He probably gets 25 cents a counter post to continue to confuse the subject.
Well I´d seriously like to know whether events in Iraq and Iran are warranted and substantiated. If it actually appears that these buildings were brought down by controlled demolition then it sure does undermine the democracy US is emphasizing.
GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICA, YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL!
That firefighter ignores the fact that over 350 of his fellow firemen were killed by the Cheney/Bush administration of oil barons to terrify the public into supporting a phoney "war on terror" and suspend all constitional rights (successfully) as well as get rid of some obsolete towers made partially with asbestos, preventing legal implosion and where taking them apart one girder at a time would be far too expensive. Rockerfeller and Cheney and the rest should be hung for treason.
it's pompous pricks like this firefigher that make almost a shame to be an american, one fucking firefighter who was not inside of the buildings until after the second plane hit, as oppose to the ones who were inside and heard loud explosions setting off on various floors, then the stupid fuck had the nerve to throw Kennedy in there as well. HE had just told on himself with that statement, truth will always find its way out.
1:50 ...so he would rather not know exactly what happened that day nor who is really responsible for the deaths of all those 3.000 people
I bet he's also one of those guys that would rather forget and forgive the ones responsible for saying that the air was safe to breathe after the attacks...
let's all just forget the past (and while we're at it, history too), forgive all our spineless leaders and go along with the flock of sheeple, ok?
I respect the firefighter but he is wrong and those families deserve justice as do the people if wrong doing can be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. We can no longer allow this oligarchy to create control out of chaos. Seriously people this has been going on forever. Time for someone to pay the piper!
only 3 buildings in the history of the world have collapsed due to a fire and you guessed it! all three on Sept 11 sad to say alot of americans to this very day think only 2 buildings collapsed on that day! wake up! wake up! wake up!
The scales of the "Fair and Balanced", in this piece show that Gage IS credible and that the de-briefed so called eye witness does not know what he is talking about and has no knowledge of the facts that are presented by Gage, typical of most American sheeple. I would like to see more MSM take on Gage and the "hard to take in" FACTS.
Why has the United States Department of Justice not charged Usama Bin Laden for 9/11? now, they charged him when he blew up our embassy in Africa in 98. Why the biggest terrorism act in history have they failed to officially charge him? Why have they not convened a grand jury, presented their evidence, and got an indictment?
Second: go to the Internet, go to the FBI website and go to the international list of top 10 terrorists. You will see Bin Laden there. bring his name up, and his picture. Amazingly, all the charges, the embassy of 98 and all this other stuff is all listed. But ironically nothing on 9/11. Nothing. Now, when the FBI was pressed as to why 9/11 wasn't included? Their response was we don't have enough evidence.
While I feel for the victims of the day of September 11, 2001 what happened on that day is a wider issue then your own personal loss as grievous as that loss is. Since that day the largest government in history has based it's policies on a lie and it has cost hundreds of thousands of lives since then. Until the truth of that day is known the United States is living a lie.
Gage: "We're not conspiracy theorists, we are technical building professionals looking at the forensic evidence, so we provide the evidence, and we ask for a new investigation, and let's let the chips fall where they may,"
Isolano:
"there's theories on everything, we still don't know who killed Kennedy,"
I say, If you believe the official report, then Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone to murder John F. Kennedy. (yea right)
IT HAS BEGUN! THE TRUTH WILL FINALLY BE PRESSED INTO YOUR LAZY BRAINS!
Hello, this is your Capatin speaking, you are now officially on board of the REVOLUTION. It is going to be a quick and painfull, but very VERY healing process. Soon we will enjoy free energy from hydrogen cells, soon Ron Paul will be President, because he earns trust and actually really wants the best for the people. Prepare to witness a Snowball effect of proportions you couldnt even imagine. A TruthBall so to speak...
I find it interesting that the firefighter says we should just forget about it. In fact, the last thing he says "there's theories on everything. We still don't know who kill Kennedy." What if both were done by the same group? Possible?
BiasedEquilibrium 3 months ago
this fire fighter is is another shill... who said, the families are the only consideration here ?
Get real.....3000 murdered, no one bought to justice, lies ,coverup, this was the greatest crime in the history of the world and we get a do gooder like this ...jeez
arrowmint12 5 months ago
"theory" is he dumb, he said experts with EVIDENCE !! 100+ firemen agree, he is just a uneducated moron, FACT 911 was a lie
Headshothorror4488 8 months ago
Richard Gage (AE911) Talk @ Cambridge University UK,18th June 2011 (ALL WELCOME)
See featured video on my channel for full details.
cappucinokid100 8 months ago
This fox idiot even says "provided evidence...blah blah blah for a building known as WTC7" wasn't this what they were calling it fukn 9 years ago, you guys gotta cancel FOX
hanzaninja3 1 year ago
the families WANT another investigation!!!!!wake up please.
musicloverofall 1 year ago
KMPH doesn't know how to deal with the subject. The effort to hogwash one person's unsubstantiated beliefs against evidence supported by over 1000 professionals just does not work
jakhannew 1 year ago
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I'm a firefighter & I can truthfully say we need another investigation as the real terrorists are still at the healm of the richest military industrial complex thats ever excisted & they all need the chair for commiting that horrific act. Listen to the experts who arn't directly funded by war profiteering sections of your government. Wonder how much that firefighter was payed to dishonour the over 300 fallen ff's of thad day, they deserve truth & justice!
maximus2908 1 year ago
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maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 Why did the FDNY union stay silent if they thought their brothers were murdered? Wee they in on it as well? Or are you a member of the .01% fringe?
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 @shooter686 Sadly everyone has their price. As former CIA director William Colby stated "The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media." This is most evident if you know much about politics. On top of that they own the largest military industrial complex on earth and they're close business partners with the richest single institution, the federal reserve. If anyone has the power to silence a union its the CIA.
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 Sounds like you used a set of 3 broken links to form your speculation. You must have so few facts, you are forced to speculate to such a degree.
Hint: The CIA doesn't own the military. I suggest you stay away from movies as your source for what the CIA can and cannot do.
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 If you're such the expert what qualifications do you hold & what is your job title? Maybe you could also explain to me how pools of moulten steal were found under tower 1 2 & wtc 7 by firefighters days after the attacks under tons of rubble still glowing red hot at 2000 degrees fahrenheit when jet fuels maximum burning temperature is 1500 df. Hmmm what burns at such extreme temperatures and has its own oxygen supply I wonder?
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 If you add up the entire explosives and demolition experience of Gage, Jones, Griffin, Avery, and then next 30 CT leaders, I have about 16 more years of hands on experience.
Molten metal found was due to trapped heat from the fires burning during the collapse. Explosives or incendiary devices do not cause molten metal. They burn too quickly.
If it had its own oxygen, then it would burn its own fuel in a few minutes, not days, not weeks.
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 Molten metal found was due to trapped heat from the fires burning during the collapse? Haha funny that reason isn't even mentioned in the NIST report where did you get that from I wonder? And just to state the obvious that still doesn't explain it in the slightest. Explain to me how red hot molten steel was found 500 df hotter than jet fuels maximum burning temperature days later under tons of concrete. Are you assuming trapped heat with no ignition source increases the hear? REALLY?
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 What was the NIST answer? The4y didn't make one? The jet fuel was not a factor as it burned off in less than 10 minutes after impact. So by using jet fuel in any of your arguments proves you know nothing of the topic. The trapped fires were burning for weeks, how would it have not had an ignition? Please read what you type before hitting 'post'.
shooter686 1 year ago
Also chemistry professor Niels Harrit, Dr Steve Jones & 7 other scientists have found nano thermite in the multiple wtc dust samples extracted from ground zero. Thermate(thermite + sulpher) burns at near 4000 df, produces molten metal as a by product & has its own oxygen supply. The steal core would have converted to molten metal very quickly as steal melts at 2750 df, this may also explain how the towers collapse sped up as the collapses progressed which goes against the basic laws of physics.
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 Those so-called "scientists" found the elements of thermite. If you actually reads the report, you would have seen this. Also, they are making the presumption that a binary explosive can stop reacting once started. That means this would be the first time in history a binary explosive can do that.
1. Thermite stops burning once it is consumed. So after about 5 minutes, it would stop burning. So, if it stopped after 5 minutes, how would it last for weeks?
2. You don't know physics.
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 LISTEN TO YOUR SELF STUPID YOU THINK A COUPLE OF GALLONS OF FUEL CAN BURN LIKE THAT PLEAS ALLSO IF THER WAS THAT MUTCH JET FUEL STILL IN THE BUILDINGS THEN WHY WAS NONE OF IT BURNING DOWN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS IT WOULD HAVE BURND DOWN MORE THAN HALF THE BUILDINGS THAT MEANS THERE WOULD HAVE BEN FLAMES COVERING MORE THAN HALF THE BUILDINGON THE OUT SIDE NOT TO MENTION THAY REALEASED RECORDED
jawman6 1 year ago
@jawman6 Nobody from any govt or scientific agency ever claimed jet fuel caused any part of the building to melt or lose strength. The jet fuel started the office fires and that fire caused the steel trusses to fail.
Is the fact that you used all caps, no punctuation, had grammar and spelling errors all a part of the irony of you calling anybody stupid?
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 CONVERSATIONS OF ONE OF THE FIRE CHIEFS THAT HIM AND HIS FIRE CREW HAD MADE IT TO THE FLOORS THAT HAD THE MOST DAMAGE AND SAID THAY COULD HAVE IT UNDER CONTROLL IN NO TIME THAT THE MOST OF THE FIRE WAS OUT ALL READY
jawman6 1 year ago
@jawman6 Yes, they had 2 firefighters reach the area 2 floors below the impacted area. From their vantage point, they saw very little fire and said they could handle it with 2 lines. Had they continued up 2 more floors they would have seen the extreme damage and been inside the uncontrolled fire that the whole world saw. So, based on you picking 1 out of the 200+ testimonies, you proved you are guilty of selective evidence hunting and ignoring 99% of the exculpatory evidence present. Why?
shooter686 1 year ago
So what burns hotter than jet fuel and would leave pools of molten steal under tower 1,2 & wtc 7 then hmmm? You think trapped heat from the jet fuel, which burns at 1500 df max melted steal which melts at 2750df? You are the weakest link good bye!
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 If it were thermite, why did your scientists friends find such a small amount of it? If you wanted to level 2 110-story towers, it would be more than just the small sample they found. Also, how does thermite burn laterally? If it truly melted the vertical steel beams, how would that be possible?
It seems you are making assumptions on headlines and not the facts of the work. I suggest you get past the headline and read it completely.
shooter686 1 year ago
Its pretty simple if you think about it. Think of the entire mass of the twin towers, the amount of concrete that was pulverized in to dust. As you only need enough thermite with just enough explosives to buckle key structual load bearing points, which compared to the rest of the mass of the entire twin towers is a very small area the ratio of concrete and other materials compared to thermate its obviously going to be much much higher.
maximus2908 1 year ago
Also being nano thermite the particles would be extremely fine, hence 'nano'. Are we learning yet? So much of it would have blown away or washed down drains. You are aware FEMA had 'all' the structual steal removed, melted down, shipped over seas and sold before forensic analysis could take place. That seriously goes against federal crime scene laws & being a firefighter I can tell you even very small fires which cause no loss of life are investigated very thoroughly, no evidence removed at all.
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 Much of it would not be "blown away or washed down the drain. Much like all the concrete dust didn't just get washed down a drain. If the dust was piled as high as it was, so would the residue of the thermite. Also, there is 300 tons of the steel kept to this day for testing. So your claim that it was melted and shipped before testing is a lie told by a few CTists. I guess it is now parroted as if it were factual.
shooter686 1 year ago
@maximus2908 OK, then if you "buckled" key columns, then you would not have free fall speeds. Also, how did an incendiary device cut laterally on a vertical beam. Also, since the collapse started at the impact points, you are saying the incendiary devices withstood the temps of the uncontrolled fires?
It sound to me you are speculating based on a guess of what happened. So that means you have no facts to support your guesses or speculation.
shooter686 1 year ago
Also to answer your other question the nano thermate could have been placed above key structual joins connecting the horizontal H beams to the core vertical beams and the tubestructure outer walls. This would explain the bizare pankaking effect we saw on 9/11 3 times in 1 day! Do you think highrises reguarly collapse from the top (the part of the building bearing the least load) then collapse straight through the path of maximum resistance instead of finding the easiest path to follow?
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 You are proving that the pancaking caused the collapse? Then how did the trusses survive the intense heat, yet thermite was only possible to have done the damage? Either thermite cut vertical beams, or it cut trusses that the heat could not. I think you are inventing your answers as you go along and do not have any factual support for them.
If a 25 floor section was weighing down on a 5 floor section weakened by uncontrolled fires, then it would collapse
shooter686 1 year ago
And not only that the collapses of all 3 buildings sped up instead of slowed down. Picture a bull running down a long corridor through 5 broken weakened doors followed by 100 or so closed doors. Maybe this may help you realize how implausible this really is. its quite blatant the bulls going to encounter a lot more resistance with the closed doors than the broken doors, the bull believe it or not will slow down when it encounters more and more resistance.
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 Do you think gravity causes something to accelerate to terminal velocity or does it slow it down? By saying the fact that it sped up was proof of something tells me you do not understand basic physics. Do you think the mass of the collapsing portion of the building stayed the same or got heavier as the floor accumulated? Trying a bull story also tells me you do not understand basic physics. Nor do you understand vertical momentum.
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 YOUSTILL CANT HAVE FREE FALL SPEED PLUSS THE BUILDING TOOK MOST OF THE HIT ON ITS SIDE AND STARTED TO TOPPLE TO ITS SIDE YET THE REST WENT STRAIT DOWN COME ON WAKE UP
jawman6 1 year ago
@jawman6 1. There was no free fall.
2. Gravity causes everything to fall straight down. Look it up.
3. Without a consistent lateral force, the direction of the collapse will always be down.
Care to refute any of these?
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 yes as a matter of fact strait down only happens when some thing is not below it to change its course pluss there wasnt any fires in any of the buildings that were burning all points of these buildings to cause them to fall strait down the steel would have had to ben weakening at the same time or els
jawman6 1 year ago
@shooter686 you have resistence look at the first building that fell the top portion of that building did not fall strait down so why did the rest of it fall strait down all of the weight from the top portion of the building came down on one side of the lower part of the building allso how do you explain the building falling at free fall speed and no it could not speed up from momentome at least not enough
jawman6 1 year ago
@shooter686 at least not enough to fall at free fall speed look at some controlled demmos that went wrong in every case the objects fell to one side or another why didnt the empire state building fall yes the second building got hit lower
jawman6 1 year ago
@jawman6 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
jawman6 1 year ago
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@jawman6down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
jawman6 1 year ago
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@jawman6 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
jawman6 1 year ago
@jawman6 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
jawman6 1 year ago
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@shooter686 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it
jawman6 1 year ago
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@shooter686 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it ooo
jawman6 1 year ago
@shooter686 @shooter686 down but it allso only got hit on one corner and you can clearly see that most of its fuel was out side in a monster fire ball if you try to say it didnt you will be wrong because if it was still in the building there would have ben fire running strait down the sde of the building from the fuel leaking out of it it would not have stayed in the building not all of it ooo
jawman6 1 year ago
Hence buildings have only ever collapsed straight through them selves in controlled demolitions. Oh except for on 9/11 when 3 buildings all collapsed straight through the paths of maximum for no plausible reason the govenment has yet to give us.
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 Gravity pulls things straight down. The only way it would go to one side or the other is if there was a lateral force. Since there was no lateral force, it continued to fall straight down. You claim that only CD's fall straight down proves you know very little about basic physics and how collapses work. Also, the govt has given us the reasons. If you cannot/will not read it, that doesn't mean they didn't give it. Look up and read the NIST reports. It is spelled out clearly.
shooter686 1 year ago
Your pretty good at delivering petty insults & your terminal velocity argument is quite impressive but before I sink it, it would be nice if you answer my 1st question, the fact that you still havn't gives me reason to believe you can't. I'll ask 1 last time before I give up, maybe I need to be a little clearer. What ignition source do you think could have caused fires under tons of rubble to burn over 2750 df under all 3 wtc buildings? What caused the molten pools of steal?
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 The office fires that were burning before the collapse remained burning after the collapse. These fires did not have the availability to vent the heat or to be extinguished, so they remained burning for weeks until they could be vented. The temp of these fires have not been measured since they were beneath the rubble. Speculation can always be made as to the, but scientific estimates would be much more accurate.
shooter686 1 year ago
What sort of dangerous substance would have had a place in all 3 wtc buildings, when in fire terms they're high risk as they were packed with thousands of people on a daily basis? Do you think regular office material burns hot enough to melt steal? Do you think the diesel from the back up power generators in WTC7 burned hot enough to melt the structual steal causing a complete symetrical, collapse straight down through the path of maximum resitance? You basically are if you support the gov story
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 Regular office equipment becomes hazardous when on fire. Before the collapse, there was no need or ability of the temps to melt steel (note spelling) as the temp was high enough to cause the steel to lose it strength to the point of truss failure. In all 3 towers, there was a combination of extreme damage and uncontrolled office fires. Each had its own point of collapse once the steel beams lost their ability to hold the weight of the portion of the building above the damage.
shooter686 1 year ago
youtube firefighters for 9/11 truth, the leader of the group is highly qualified & knows his stuff you never know you may learn something ; )
maximus2908 1 year ago
@maximus2908 The two FF for so-called 911 truth are guessing from 3000 miles away and never were at GZ. The fact that you wouldn't know if you were being lied to tells me that you WANT this to be real for some sick reason.
Ask the "leader" of that group how many years of explosives training he has. What incendiary devices? He has been to a couple demonstrations and no hands on. That is your expert? Really?
shooter686 1 year ago
I wonder how much this bozo was paid! ALL of the other firefighters seem to disagree with him. The mass zombies are so brainwashed that they'll believe anything the government tells them - no matter how absurd or ridiculous!
RandyBful1 1 year ago
@RandyBful1 So, why do you believe what an out of work architect says? Brainwashed?
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 you must work for the goverment to turn your back on the truth you do know that suporting the govermennt does not make you an american if any thing it makes you a liar because you will never find any truth in in the goverment that is why thay ha d all of that gold loaded into dump trucks befor the buildings fell
jawman6 1 year ago
i still believe the 'government' blew up those buildings and killed thousands of americans to provocate hatred against any arabians or afghanistans to have a reason to start a war, thats my opinion.
i havent got any facts or prooves but i can imagine well what is their intention. its more than shocking and inhuman thats one of the biggest crimes ever!
80sMeavyHetal 1 year ago
In theory...lol What a doucherr
stephen2152002 1 year ago
1:26 "Oh man the fires are going to burn for days". Exactly, they would have or have been put out if it weren't for the explosives!!!!!
stephen2152002 1 year ago
What explosives are you talking about?
There were no explosive residue EVER found. There were no shock waves of explosives, there were no primary or secondary explosions necessary for a controlled demolition.
So what are you talking about? Where are you getting your information about explosives and demolition?
An out of work architect? A professor of Folklore? Who is your explosives expert?
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 Google: 911 explosives or google: Niels Harrit or google: Steven Jones;
JohnnyFaroe 1 year ago
@JohnnyFaroe I googled explosives and got several experts that said it would be impossible for it to have been explosives that dropped the towers. I googled Steven Jones and got a report that he was fired for bypassing standard scientific practice in doing research. So, how does he stand with .01% of scientists and the other 99.9% seem wrong in your eyes?
What was his background in incendiary devices or binary explosives?
shooter686 1 year ago
Because there aren't any "original" aspects to express . Every thing has been looked at 100 times over. He is merely consolidating them.
Who's paying your bills? Aslo he states he is working on a project during the presentation. If he lost it how, why and who pulled the plug should be your real question
There has been demo guys on this continient but the vids are pulled. There was even a 757 test pilot who said the turns were impossible even for him, that has been removed from the net.
Omnl420 1 year ago
How can anything get "pulled form the internet?"
It sounds like if you can't find it, it must have been "pulled" by some secret govt or agency that wants CTists to live in fear.
So, you can always say there are a million people that all said what I believe, but their 1000 page confession was "pulled" off the internet.
Ooh, scary.
shooter686 1 year ago
How many people here know that Gage is living off of 9-11 now that he lost his gym designing job?
So, who are paying his bills?
Why did he assemble over 1000 expert architects and engineers and yet cannot come up with an ounce of original talking points?
Why has there yet to be a single explosives or demolition expert to come forth on this continent to agree with any of the non experts inventing claims that explosives cannot do?
Can anybody answer without name-calling?
shooter686 1 year ago
Paying his bills? Are you kidding me!!!??? That has nothing to do with the facts, only misleading. Discrediting is what defensive and prosecuting attorneys try to accomplish if his or her facts are damaging to their case. This is similiar.
stephen2152002 1 year ago
Nothing to do with the facts?
Name a "fact" that he has presented and how you corroborated it as true.
Please show me how you have done any type of research and shown that you are not just parroting his points and that you have critical thought.
Pick ANY topic and spell it out using original thought.
shooter686 1 year ago
@shooter686 why is it you are the only one here that is standing up for this garbadge must be because no body is that ignorent
jawman6 1 year ago
@jawman6 I believe he,Shooter686, is a shill for the man. Not only does he have 16 years+ of exsplosive experience(supposedly) but he has countered almost every post with "official" stories that have as much sway as NIST. Don't bother replying, countering or retorting his blind obedience to the man. He probably gets 25 cents a counter post to continue to confuse the subject.
Omnl420 1 year ago
Well I´d seriously like to know whether events in Iraq and Iran are warranted and substantiated. If it actually appears that these buildings were brought down by controlled demolition then it sure does undermine the democracy US is emphasizing.
GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICA, YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL!
You are free to do as we tell you.
kollektiiv 2 years ago
That firefighter ignores the fact that over 350 of his fellow firemen were killed by the Cheney/Bush administration of oil barons to terrify the public into supporting a phoney "war on terror" and suspend all constitional rights (successfully) as well as get rid of some obsolete towers made partially with asbestos, preventing legal implosion and where taking them apart one girder at a time would be far too expensive. Rockerfeller and Cheney and the rest should be hung for treason.
folkblueswriter 2 years ago 4
20 years ago they would have at least had a stupid person pro topic, now they only bring in their ringer who's con topic.
Omnl420 2 years ago
it's pompous pricks like this firefigher that make almost a shame to be an american, one fucking firefighter who was not inside of the buildings until after the second plane hit, as oppose to the ones who were inside and heard loud explosions setting off on various floors, then the stupid fuck had the nerve to throw Kennedy in there as well. HE had just told on himself with that statement, truth will always find its way out.
gronlaf 2 years ago
1:50 ...so he would rather not know exactly what happened that day nor who is really responsible for the deaths of all those 3.000 people
I bet he's also one of those guys that would rather forget and forgive the ones responsible for saying that the air was safe to breathe after the attacks...
let's all just forget the past (and while we're at it, history too), forgive all our spineless leaders and go along with the flock of sheeple, ok?
J1NX1337 2 years ago
Exactly.
Are we going to turn this page of history before reading and understanding or will we sort out our past and present before looking into the future.
Per Obamas opinion we should forget the past and look forward - I´d think the same if "my" murder of 3000 people is about to be uncovered.
kollektiiv 2 years ago
Furthermore, the 9/11 movement was partially started by family members of the those who passed away.
whahas 2 years ago 4
so sad to hear about his wittle feewings, too bad he aint man enough to deal with the laws of physics and false flag operations.
Psy0pAgent 2 years ago
the firefighter was paid to say what the gov want him to say
sodasoap 2 years ago
GO BACK TO SLEEP!
soothsayer76 2 years ago
my words exactly
gronlaf 2 years ago
I respect the firefighter but he is wrong and those families deserve justice as do the people if wrong doing can be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. We can no longer allow this oligarchy to create control out of chaos. Seriously people this has been going on forever. Time for someone to pay the piper!
GSRJosh33 2 years ago
only 3 buildings in the history of the world have collapsed due to a fire and you guessed it! all three on Sept 11 sad to say alot of americans to this very day think only 2 buildings collapsed on that day! wake up! wake up! wake up!
yyz19999 2 years ago 4
Can we get a investigation now
dpcfish 2 years ago 6
We know what happened.
We know that the "Official Explanation" is fiction.
This is "Conspiracy Fact". Not theory.
TheKnowBuddies 2 years ago
Mind game...
Turn the topic to one of emotions
To painful to deal with
Tricks of the trade
There control is free falling like a planed demolition
dpcfish 2 years ago
The scales of the "Fair and Balanced", in this piece show that Gage IS credible and that the de-briefed so called eye witness does not know what he is talking about and has no knowledge of the facts that are presented by Gage, typical of most American sheeple. I would like to see more MSM take on Gage and the "hard to take in" FACTS.
TheKnowBuddies 2 years ago
Why has the United States Department of Justice not charged Usama Bin Laden for 9/11? now, they charged him when he blew up our embassy in Africa in 98. Why the biggest terrorism act in history have they failed to officially charge him? Why have they not convened a grand jury, presented their evidence, and got an indictment?
mydozer 2 years ago 2
Second: go to the Internet, go to the FBI website and go to the international list of top 10 terrorists. You will see Bin Laden there. bring his name up, and his picture. Amazingly, all the charges, the embassy of 98 and all this other stuff is all listed. But ironically nothing on 9/11. Nothing. Now, when the FBI was pressed as to why 9/11 wasn't included? Their response was we don't have enough evidence.
mydozer 2 years ago 2
haha i ask that question every god damn day..never get answer...
...haha you kind of sound like Jesse Ventura at the ron paul rally..ahaha
vdasdny 2 years ago
Ha,Ha, I thought I heard that somewhere before. Thank you.
mydozer 2 years ago
While I feel for the victims of the day of September 11, 2001 what happened on that day is a wider issue then your own personal loss as grievous as that loss is. Since that day the largest government in history has based it's policies on a lie and it has cost hundreds of thousands of lives since then. Until the truth of that day is known the United States is living a lie.
mikemidcity 2 years ago 4
Fair and Balanced.
Gage (brilliant) verses Isolano (debriefed sheep)
Gage: "We're not conspiracy theorists, we are technical building professionals looking at the forensic evidence, so we provide the evidence, and we ask for a new investigation, and let's let the chips fall where they may,"
Isolano:
"there's theories on everything, we still don't know who killed Kennedy,"
I say, If you believe the official report, then Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone to murder John F. Kennedy. (yea right)
TheKnowBuddies 2 years ago
IT HAS BEGUN! THE TRUTH WILL FINALLY BE PRESSED INTO YOUR LAZY BRAINS!
Hello, this is your Capatin speaking, you are now officially on board of the REVOLUTION. It is going to be a quick and painfull, but very VERY healing process. Soon we will enjoy free energy from hydrogen cells, soon Ron Paul will be President, because he earns trust and actually really wants the best for the people. Prepare to witness a Snowball effect of proportions you couldnt even imagine. A TruthBall so to speak...
Solventor 2 years ago 3