Gettysburg had more casualties than Vietnam or Korea, and the Civil War had more casualties than previous wars, from the American Revolution to the Mexican American War combined
Why is this movie so insanely good? Whenever it is on, why do I sit down and have to watch the whole thing? Why is the acting amazing? Why is the music haunting? Why do I keep asking questions?!
I owe a lot to this movie teaching me the value of learning history. Before this movie came out, I had a very small grasp of any history and what I had learned in school up to that point was very underwhelming. When I saw this movie, it opened up the real passion and humanity that lies in the stories of the past. Since then I have become an avid history learner and thank it all to this amazing movie.
Even to this day, it amazes me that the people who produced this movie found so many actors that looked almost exactly like the men that were at the Battle so many years ago.
My brother and i are big cival war buff's.We saw this movie not long after it was released on video in the 90's.Ever since then we made it a point to go to gettysburg one day.We went for the first time in 2006 and the second in 2008.The first time we went standing on the battlefields for the first time was a very overwhelming feeling.Your standing on a spot where more then a century ago 50 thousand people died.We live in the boston area but its worth the drive.
This movie did a GREAT job of portraying the battle itself; the twisted circumstances leading up to it, and the often difficult terrain of south-central PA. The only thing the movie messed up, in my opinion, was some of the costumes; some of the beards looked downright cheesy. But that's small potatoes compared to what it got right.
I like Martin Sheen as an actor, but when considering his portryal of Lee against that of Robert Duvall, I think that Mr. Duvall came closer to the core of who Lee really was, a man who was caught up in events that he had no control over which I think being the type of man that he was, that greatly unsettled him.
Robert E Lee is my 2nd Cousin and Strong Vincent my 5th. Lots of family were in the conflict. It was as Selby Foote said, "A hell of a Croosraods of our lives.
@progressiverebel Interesting. I'm a Civil War buff from Finland and a scholar on Lee's portrayal in historical texts. A terrible struggle, but instigated by the North.
@Stake2 Mary Ann Todd Lincoln came from Louisville and so even Lincoln's wife is my 4th cousin, great grandma Lydia Ellen I think knew her as her Dad was a Doctor. Major General Phil Kearney was killed at Chantilly and he had married one of the Bullit girls. So had people on both sides, The problem existed that the war came about because men seemed to get smarter. It was figured out that slavery was wrong and some people were determined to stop it. Changing times create problems. Americans all!
The filmakers did an outstanding job recreating that era. But-not to diminish this classic film-when you look at the side by side photos, you see in the original "players" a look that could never fully be captured by modern day, paid actors... That solemn, intense stare, the unkept, overgrown hair. Those portraits alone speak volumes abou t the nature of those men and the time period.
I am a proud American, who honors his Red, White and Blue flag. But I cannot refrain from respecting the South to the fullest degree. I can't choose a side. My minds tells me that I should support the North. But my heart goes out to the brave Southern men who made valiant charges during the course of the battle.
These men were brave beyond words. And wherever your affections might lie. Bravery is uncompromising.
they said you could hear that cannons as far south as maryland, some say baltimore. either way it was a sad time in our history. and they were the bravest of men
@Heshman1085 Actually, the artillery barrage that took place just before Pickett's Charge on the third day could be heard in Pittsburgh(about 200 miles away). There were about 170 cannon on the Confederate side and about an equal number on the Union side....As a Civil War artillery reenactor, it has been my privilege to see about 24 guns on a single gun line....I can tell you that the noise that they make is very impressive, I can only imagine what 300 guns sounded like on that day!
They fought in dirt, they died the grass, they fought for their beliefs, they may not have known, but, they died as Americans no matter what side they were on, no matter what they believed, they died as Americans as Patriots. God Bless Them
IMO one of the best movies ever made. Back when I had a favorite movie, I always said it was this. Unfortunately I've never gotten too many people to sit down and watch it with interest.
@boabmax The opening photos of Union and Confederates are the actors in costume, posed to look like old photos - but at 3:46, that's the real 20th Maine, with the real Tom Chamberlain in the front.
People can say what they want to about Ted Turner. But I think he was a great man for making this movie and Gods and Generals. I have heard that "The Last Full Measure" was in the works but I have heard that since 2009. I was 11 when this movie came out. I recorded it off of TNT and wore that casette out. LOL. Totally a movie that is in a lague of its own. And the most humbling thing of all is that its all true.
@EricW1063 My grandpap recorded it off of TNT too and gave it to me and I've watched it over and over. I was about the same age as you. The music is inspirational from both sides.
My father was a huge cival war buff and Glory was our favorite movie. He died from cancer when i was 11 and him taking me to see this in the theater was one of the last things i remember of him. I remember it was so long there was an intermission and he patted me on the back and said your doing good son.(because of the length) Great movie, makes me thing of my pop.
@BeLikeWater1000 I lost my dad too (although I was much older than 11). I became a Civil War reenactor not long after this movie came out and the one thing that I regret was the fact that my dad never got to see me in a reenactment. I don't know where you live but I'd be willing to bet that there is a Civil War reenactment held near where you live. I'll bet that if you went to one, that feeling of a connection between you and your dad would be even stronger.
@bluegreydude4 Thanks for the kind words and you might just be right. I live just south of Boston, although my brother lives in virginia.(i would imagine that would have more). I would love to see one with my brother so if you know of any in my area Id love to hear about it.
@BeLikeWater1000 try Googling Civil War reenactments in Mass. You might be surprised. You might just get the chance to see a group that reenacts the 54th Massachussetts Infantry, an all black regiment that fought with distinction(including at least on Medal of Honor winner!) Further north you might be able to catch a group reenacting the 20th Maine, who saved the Union Army on the second day's battle at Gettysburg. Virginia does a lot too! Good luck to you! Hope to see you on the field some day
@bluegreydude4 Sounds good i will look into it. I know all about the 54th having seen glory and Read "Blue Eyed child of Fortune. (may be off on title) which is Col. Shaws bio. We have a great monument in boston to the 54th which is depicted at the end of the movie. Thansk for the tips!
dont forget the majority of the soldiers on the confederate side,generals and all,were 2nd or 3rd generation ulster scots with a proud fighting tradation.
they irish on the union side were mostly straight off the boats from ireland but were fighters too
While tneh General Chamberlain was selected to receive the arms and colors of Lee's army, Lee was never asked to surrender his sword. Part of the surender was that all Confederate officers wouls be allowed to keep their sidearms and horses. This was ammended to allow the enllisted men to keep their horses as well after Gen. Grant learned that their horses were personal property unlike the Union army.
@FLAGSHIP37 Also Grant understood that it was planting season and that without the horses the defeated Confederates would most likley starve without the horses to help them with the planting. Grant gave very good terms to Lee and even authorised 30,000 rations as he knew Lee's men were close to starving. Grant dosent get enough credit for that. He was a hard drinking, hard fighting Soldier but he felt compassion for the men who were now his countrymen again.
@onionanon I am proud of the generals this nation has produced, beginning with Washington. Grant was magnanimous with Lee. After the war, the same politicians who lead us into this mess were still in charge but the generals came through said NO. Davis demanded a gureilla war and Lee opposed him publicly. Pres. Johnston planned to arrest and hang Lee - Grant personally forbid even an arrest. Lee never allowed an unkind word to be said about Grant in his presence. I am a huge Lee admirer.
@stellalouise1 Let's not forget Gen. George Pickett....who would never let an unkind word be said about Abraham Lincoln. Why, you may ask? Because a then little known senator from the state of Illinois secured an appointment to West Point for a young man from Richmond, Virginia who went to Springfield, Illinois to study law.....George Pickett.
@PaulMichaelHoffman 7,050 are only causalities of Confederation in Picket's charge at 3th of July...but the battle raged for 3 days and there were dead men on both sides...
Listening to this music scfor all the ore of the film makes you feel deeply for the men that fought all the battle's, and for all the family's that lost thier son's, or relative's,
I also have this dvd and havent watched it for awhile now. Yes sheen did what I think is excellent portrayol of lee. But there were many good acting jobs done such as jeff danials as Longstreet. Nice to see him play a straight dramatic part for once.
@yes350yes Jeff Daniels portrayed Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain....Tom Berenger portrayed Longstreet...who by the way did a much better job than Bruce Boxleitner in Gods and Generals!
ever notice every time they make a war movie or a series the historical accuracy just keeps getting better and better?Like just look at some of the civil war series from the 80s they had all the Union troops wear kepis then the 90s and Gettysburg came around and almost all the infantry kepis were out at least for enlisted men,the bar just keeps being set higher and higher
I respect both sides in the Civil War. Both had their respective rights and wishes. I am a hard core General Robert E. Lee fan and have to admit Martin Sheen is an awesome job at the part. The music in this film sounded awesome along with the Historic General Pickett's Charge. Even though I grew up in the North I respect both sides and still do to this very day.
Any serious Civil War historian will always end up respecting both sides. Even if he or she started out as someone who was biased toward the North or South.
Northerners were fighting for the preservation of the Union and the emancipation of Blacks. Southerners were fighting against unwanted Federal incursion.
Their motivations were far different. The problem was, that both sides didn't understand one another. A little empathy may have solved the crises without a War. Sad.
@vanderdecken12 I definitely think that Gettysburg is the most influential battle of the last 500 years. The fate of America hung in the balance and America has shaped the world the way it is today.
I like the Soundtrack, I like the movie. A really bad time for America, full with darkness but also with hope, acting by many of the greatest actors. And Jeff Daniels eminent as Col. Chamberlain.
@GETTYSBURGbook is that the one that has time travel and the Confederates using AK-47's ? if so that's literary tripe! I don't know about anyone else but I never cared much for any sort of 'Twilight Zone' treatment of the Civil War. To me that's too much like messing with people's religion! JMHO!
I have this Movie on dvd & play it at least 6 times a year on my HD TV with my new Bose Sound system, it is unbelieveable. The music score is one of the best I have ever heard. Martin Sheen acting as General Lee, is one of the best and most memorable acting jobs I have ever seen. In my book, one of the Greatest movies ever made. Martin Sheen should of gotten an Academy Award. A big thank you has to be given to Ted Turner .
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I love watching this movie on Sundays. Its just feel like a "Sunday" movie. This movie also got me interested in the Civil War---every American should know about it!
One of the greatest yet under-rated films of all time. This story is one of the most pivitol moments in our nation's history. Not just because it marked the beginning of the end of the bloodiest war in American history but because it saved our nation and preserved the union which it stood for. These men all of them both Confederate and Union soldiers all fought and died as Americans. Never forget the sacrifice they made.
@ViccardXViccc May never know. Gettysburg used thousands of Civil War re-enactors from across the country. We may never know their names, but they all volunteered to be in the movie. And all came in their own uniforms, guns, everything. Whcih worked great for the movie, because most re-enactors know more about the battles and formations, and battle tactics than most. At least when the civil war is concerend.
While this movie was still in the theaters, I went to see it in Gettysburg. When it ended close to midnight and I left the theater, I remember thinking "These very streets echoed with the sounds of that battle..."
@hovanti I KNOW! I have been there before. The whole city is still one big graveyard. After the battle, their were torrential rains and some of the dead still on the field of battle were naturally buried in the soil. A few years back, when I visited, they found a human skeleton by the train station. So they called the Police and assumed someone had been murdered. Turned out it was human remains from the battle.
the composition of the music for this movie, was so absolutely perfect. A choir of Angels could not have done better. It truely brought out the feelings behind those who were in this war, and the ones reinacting it.
@rickcee-- even if you are correct, which I deny. The world is a better place because of fear of God. Even with radical Islam and yes the Crusades as i'm sure you will point out. The belief in a God gives man hope and someone to answer to. If all beleived in nothing then we would have much less success in society. Most human law is rooted in religion.
You know the Greeks had laws against Murder and Stealing, so did the Egyptians. And these were not for religious purposes. SO no, your assumption that human law is rooted in religion is false.
Also, most o the technological and medical breakthroughs in the past 400 years have been made by those that do not believe in a God.
The Dark Ages were 900 years of religious rule in Europe. Were thinking and going against the Bible was punished with swift death.
@bluntman1138 Greeks and Egyptians? Wow that's the best you have? Although they may have been polytheistic, they were religious my friend. These claims may work with the people you are used to arguing with, but not with people who know history.
"You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts!" --Michael Medved
@stevo2440 Wow, you are a moron. What i was illustrating was the Greeks and Egyptians had shared social laws against stealing and murder. It was NOT their religious beliefs that formed the basis of these laws. I never claimed they werent religious, i was reputing you saying most human law is rooted into religion, into which you are WRONG.
And i most assuredly know more about history than you. And as history has shown, people with no religion change the world for the better.
@rickcee-- seriously? Scheme but no schemer? How does that work exactly? I guess you should really call yourself an agnostic since you have no explaination. Cause most athiest believe in some sort of theory like the big bang, which is an accident. sorry to use that word again but how else would you explain it?
@stevo2440 Nope, stevo--I'm not an agnostic anymore than anyone could be agnostic about anything. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool atheist. I don't have to defend a negative. An atheist requires no argument for his lack of belief in god. You, like everyone on earth, was born with no belief in god too. You LEARNED to be superstitious from adults. It's the believers who need to exhibit proof of a god, not the other way around. Sure, all atheists are somewhat agnostic. Show proof, must believe.
@rickcee Why do atheists get so worked up when you question them? Maybe it's because you have doubts about your own beliefs too and don't like us to remind you of it.
Lee's alleged genius is as real as the notion of the existence of a god. Neither are true. Lee was a brilliant guy, but to be honest his generalship was never as good as the potential people saw in him from a young age. He was a typically cruel southern landowner and did in fact employ some very horrific tactics in dealing with runaways, especially runaway women slaves. Probably raped them regularly too. Married rich and lived in a big house at what is now Arlington House. Didn't even buy it
@rickcee -- I agree Lee's genius is probably overblown by legend. But how can you dispute his ability to lead when you consider the overwhelming disadvantages he faced. He did after all out do every Union General (4 total) until Grant and Sherman.
And please don't come on here and blast peoples believe in God. I truly feel sorry for you...how helpless it must feel to believe that there is no one above man. The human body is an engineering marvel...its no accident...its created by someone.
@stevo2440 Helpless? To feel there is no ONE above man? Are you kidding? Tons of things are above man. But it's not a god. Nature is incredible, and no....it's no accident. It's a scheme absolutely...there just happens to be no schemer. Why do you godbots always have to use the word "accident"? No atheists I know ever think of life on this planet as an "accident." Oh no...it's a scheme alright, but it's not god's scheme. It just "is". God?...please...what a ridiculous concept.
Lee was a great general--probably not as instinctively gifted as Stonewall Jackson, whose services Lee lost when Jackson was killed at Chancellorsville, but he was great nonetheless. Lee never enjoyed the success he had prior to Jackson's death, and that probably says something about Jackson even more than it does Lee. But, like all rich white boys who owned slaves and thought it was okay....well, let's just say the right team won.
Lee's great general shit is just that -- shit. Lee did unimaginably stupid things, repeatedly, and AGAINST the clear advise of his generals, resulting very likely in losing the war. Shelby Foote said something like "Losing Gettysburg (and the war) was the price the South paid for putting Lee in charge"
@SouthernFriedHoney Lee was always out numbered but yet he won battle after battle until July of 1863. one the reasons he lost Gettysburg was the fact that Stonewall Jackson died in may, the Union finally got someone ( Meade) who somewhat knew what he was doing. in 1864-65 in the siege of Petersburg Grant surrounded Lee and cut off his supply lines so the Lee's army had no food. that is y he lost the war. Lincoln finally found the guy to win the war U.S. Grant.
Admr -- yes pretty much. But the idea Lee won until Gettysburg is silly. He lost Antietam.
Plus, he was on his own ground, playing defense most of the time, which was hard to beat. Much of Lee's "military genius" is hype, part of the floodgates of myths .
Remember when Lee went on the offense, he was bitch slapped. Remember too - he ran like a pussy from Richmond on the incorrect rumor the lines were breeched.
Admr Lee lost the war because the Southern people did not support the Confederacy nearly as much as you pretend or assume. Many men deserted Lee -- even as early as 1862. He rightly predicted desertions would make it impossible to win. Jeff Davis said the same thing.
Over 2/3 of the soldiers deserted -- accroding to Jeff Davis in 1864. Desertions grew even worse. The poor whites who did not have slaves, simply didnt want to fight for slave based confederacy.
Not if you count the slaves Lee forced to build the defenses, he was not. Nice trick to have 100,000 slaves build massive defenses. Plus you don't count your deserters. No nation on earth ever had the desertion rate the South did - not the french, not the Italians. But you can't admit that cause you want this myth of southern bravery.
Lee was a good man? Does a good man scream at naked 14 year old girls while he has them whipped? Lee did. Does a good man sell the babies of slaves (that he probably raped) to build up his wealth? Lee did. Does a good man stay in uniform of the US while secretly planning a military coup? Lee did. Does a good man say owning others is "spiritual liberty"? Lee did.
@BullshipDetector look you General Robert E. Lee was one of the best generals in the Civil War. Read Gods and Generals a great book part of which is in Lee's mind. in the book you will find nothing about lee beating slaves or him screaming at girls. you are completely wrong about Lee.
AMDR are you fucking retarded? really? are you? SO lets get this straight - in some book, there is no mention of Lee whipping slave girls, selling children, whatever.
SO THE FUCK WHAT you retard? Only what the author put in there, you dumb fuck, is in the book. And guess what dumb fuck? He left OUT Lee's cruelty to slave girls, selling children, screaming at young women while he had them tortured.
Admr you gotta be kidding. Bible believing? Listen dufus, the entire SOUTH was bible believing. Every slaver was religious. Jeff Davis said slavery was a devine blessing,and that GOD delievered the negro to the white man to do his work. Lee wrote that God INTENDED slavery to be painful and cruel, to teach Negroes to be submissive to whites. You apparently know nothing of the south.
ADMR -- Lee's own account books validate the Norris letter, is one place. Lee's own letters saying God intended slavery to be painful to negroes. His own biographer Pryor showed he FREQUENTLY sold children, broke up every slave family he owned by selling the mother, or the child,, which was totally against the norms of rich slave owners. Lee had a "hunting list" of slave women he most wanted to capture - in his OWN handwriting.
Admr -- Lee's account books, dumb fuck. For the 10th time. His account books show "hunting list" of slave women he most wanted captured. His OWN FUCKING handwriting, in his OWN fucking account books, show he kept very very detailed track of where his female escaped slaves might be -- obsessed with them. He would pay six times the normal bounty to get some back - and hve them whipped. Verfied letters show he would scream at these young women WHILE they were being tortured.
@SouthernFriedHoney do you think your language will convince someone who's been brought up on the Southern Myths? Could you simply point to a URL where you can read Lee's account books, let the first person source speak for itself. During the Gettysburg campaign blacks were swept up and sent down South into slavery, freeman or escaped slave, so much for the War being about anything BUT slavery.
jg -- actuallly, surprisingly, Ive 30-40people who emailed me bitter remarks, and I wrote back emails with quotes, citations, more quotes, and 2-3 of those DID write back and say, WOW, and say they will take another look.
Ive seen web sites which say much of what Im saying --- but mostly I use books FROM that period.
@jglogau about the "sweeps" from Gettysburg of blacks. Did you know there were reports of slaves walking single file - as far as you could see, from the North to South right after EP was issued? Apparently some big slave owners in the upper South were not going to risk keeping their stock anywhere near a free state.
@amdr427 Nope....Bullship is totally correct about Lee. We can't dispute that there was some element of greatness about Lee, but we also cannot dispute that he was just another rich white kid with a good education, thanks to West Point, and that because, like most southerners, their "states" were more important to them than being Americans. Virgina, Virginia, Virginia. PUhleeze. How about AMERICA? How about you marry rich (Washington's godson's daughter) and own slaves. Smart guy, bad guy
In the end Lee lost because the people of the South didn't support the COnfederacy. Over 2/3 of the soldiers deserted by 64 -- according to Jeff Davis.
Even more - you SHOULD have had 1 million men in the Army, but you NEVER got more than 250K, and they proved to be mostly deserters. The big open secret the South has hid for 150 years -- is massive desertion and lackk of support for the Nazi like Confederates.
Family always comes first on both sides, in Lee's army the Louisiana Brigades show a near 22% desertion rate, but of those near 70% went back to La and fought with home front units.
The death rate in the units from Louisiana in Virginia is near 20%, and when you start going over who went home and fought, those men lost near to 30%.
Tell 100% of your goof "statistics" are bullshit and meaningless.
Jeff Davis HIMSELF said 2/3 of the soldiers deserted, and he actually went on a speaking tour to urge the citizens --- they were hiding the deserters -- to make them come back. Got that retard? Lee himself said they need to hang more deserters or his army would "melt away" -- and it did melt.
Learn real history, dumb ass, not your unsane Southernn Myths
You better start reading on the war before posting. Lee, Jackson and Longstreet all agreed to fight a defensive war to hold down the casualties. Most of the southerns volutneered to fight, but no one thought the war would last over 6-12 months. The desertion rates are high on both side of the war, because when mom called and the crops had to be planted they (the soldiers) went home.
This film does a decent job of showing Lee is an idiot. Lee actually thought his actions were guided by God -- and that getting his men killed for his stupid ideas was sorta of like "let God sort em out". Lee was incredibly callus about death and injury of his own men -- which was the big reason his Army deserted so badly, and why the South lost/
Vic -- Lee's desertions were massive, Lee wrote several times to Davis claiming if we don't hang more deserters, our Army will "melt away". And melt away they did. Jeff Davis tried to shame and plead for them to return -- see his speech September of 64 in Macon, where he said 2/3 of the soldiers had deserted, and if just HALF came back, the South could not lose.
Vic -- Lee's military genius? Wrong, he LOST the war for you. As Shelby Foote said - losing Gettsburg was the price the South paid for having Lee in charge. But far worse for the South, Lee got the thin veneer of "true believers" killed off. He massacared his own men -- stupidly -- in his delusions that God above was magically directing his actions. No army EVER, on their own ground, had near the desertion rate the Confederate did. In fact, it ended up virtually 100%
Vic no dumb ass -- that's what they told you retards. But the facts are different than the myths, retard. Davis HIMSELF said 2/3 of the soldiers deserted. Was he lying? Hell, he was UNDERSTATING it.
Lee HIMSELF said they needed to hang more deserters -- or the army would melt away. Was he lying? Desertions -- and lack of men who would even join or be drafted -- is why you lost. Naturally, you don't want that truth out, because then people would ask -- WHY
@ViccardXViccc dumb fuck - Myth makers created the Lee you know. Mostly starting with Douglas Freeman, who literally equated Lee with Christ, and had sketches of Lee blessing children in his books. Freeman was a lunatic, yet you dumb fucks base your view of Lee on his work.
Freeman never reported things like Lee's HUNTING LIST of slave women he wanted captured most, and whipped, Kept in his OWN handwriting, in his OWN account book, for example.
@BullshipDetector Thanks, but anyway, do you got any proof/prove(i don't know how to write it)
Lee was a good man, so was Hancock, Grant, Jackson, Lincoln. You can say they are idiots, or you can respect them. Fortunate, most of the people do respect them
Vic - Lee's own recent biographer, Pryor, shows he REGULARLY and FREQUENTLY sold children, that he screamed at naked female slave women while he had them whipped. Got that retard? He kept a HUNTING list of slave women in his own account books. He was also goofy, totally believing God was magically causing things to happen, and idiotically sending his men to death, which ended up losing you the war.
At first I thought all of the photos were authentic Civil War era photos. But then at 0:25 I noticed Colonel Freemantle on the right side is decked out in a uniform that he never wore while in America. And next to him is Longstreet with his horribly fake beard. Then I realized that the first two pictures are actually the actors of this film posing, with the photos made to look like from the 1860s. All the other photos should be authentic (I think).
I have this clip on my 'favorites' list and visit it from time to time. It is gratifying to always see different comments being posted, meaning of course that history is being heeded. What a delight it is to read the input of those who are knowledgeable which, thank goodness, far outweighs that of the occasional fool.
Sgt Maj - nonsense - - most of these guys know MYTHS -- and nothing of real history. The Southern losers have spent 150 years spinnig their shit into brass. Learn the REAL history - which you can get from Lee's actual account books, Davis Speeches, Southern books before and after the war. This shit you get now about an honorable South is bullshit.
@SgtMajTom for example, read books written right after the war, BY Southern historians. Totally different than what you get now. They speak of massive desertions openly -- they didn't know it would be covered up. They speak of the South, all through the election of 1860, promising war if the North dared to vote for Lincoln. Read REAL shit you fucks have never been told about, written AT the time, BY the South.
@SgtMajTom dumb fuck - knowledgable? Are you fucking retarded?
DO you know that Lee's own account books -- in his OWN handwriting -- he has "hunting lists" of slave women he most wanted captured, and what he would pay? DO you know he paid SIX TIMES the normal rate to capture and whip a certain slave girl, 14 years old? And he screamed at her while he had her tortured? Did you know Lee regularly sold the children of his slaves?
Another source is Lee's 1856 letter to his wife In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former.
Yes idiot - that letter is like Hitler saying God wants us to punish the jews - maybe in 2,000 years GOD will punish the jews enough, we can stop gassing them. Lee is justifying not just slavery - but the PAIN AND CRUELTY of slavery. Its NECESSARY we treat the blacks with violence and threats -- because that's how Negroes learn. That's the real message dumb fuck. Consider that Lee he was whipping women, screaming at them while they were being tortured. He was a socioath dumb fuck
Gettysburg had more casualties than Vietnam or Korea, and the Civil War had more casualties than previous wars, from the American Revolution to the Mexican American War combined
crazyryryryan 1 week ago in playlist Liked videos
Why is this movie so insanely good? Whenever it is on, why do I sit down and have to watch the whole thing? Why is the acting amazing? Why is the music haunting? Why do I keep asking questions?!
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lanksareit 1 week ago
I owe a lot to this movie teaching me the value of learning history. Before this movie came out, I had a very small grasp of any history and what I had learned in school up to that point was very underwhelming. When I saw this movie, it opened up the real passion and humanity that lies in the stories of the past. Since then I have become an avid history learner and thank it all to this amazing movie.
Cassidan 2 weeks ago
Even to this day, it amazes me that the people who produced this movie found so many actors that looked almost exactly like the men that were at the Battle so many years ago.
MB18932 3 weeks ago
Whether they were union or confederate, at the end of the day, they were all americans fighting for there country, and heroes.
one of my favorite films of all timee!
sesdelta38 1 month ago
Random question. Anybody know where to find copies of the stills at the begining ?
Clownfish1138 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
I can never get over the fact that they all look so much like the men they portrayed, Chamberland and Daniels are nearly clones of one another.
snappy452 2 months ago
My brother and i are big cival war buff's.We saw this movie not long after it was released on video in the 90's.Ever since then we made it a point to go to gettysburg one day.We went for the first time in 2006 and the second in 2008.The first time we went standing on the battlefields for the first time was a very overwhelming feeling.Your standing on a spot where more then a century ago 50 thousand people died.We live in the boston area but its worth the drive.
bloodymary12100 2 months ago
This movie is a 5 star war film....absolutely excellent. If you have not seen it...then don't rent it...buy it right now and get blown away!!!!
Credithelper75 2 months ago
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Love this movie.
TechnicalJaguar 2 months ago
This movie did a GREAT job of portraying the battle itself; the twisted circumstances leading up to it, and the often difficult terrain of south-central PA. The only thing the movie messed up, in my opinion, was some of the costumes; some of the beards looked downright cheesy. But that's small potatoes compared to what it got right.
MrRjpugh 2 months ago
ARGH! Gorgeous, but I'm trying to find a clip with just the opening narration for my blog post...anyone seen the like? ;)
Jacobitess 3 months ago
I like Martin Sheen as an actor, but when considering his portryal of Lee against that of Robert Duvall, I think that Mr. Duvall came closer to the core of who Lee really was, a man who was caught up in events that he had no control over which I think being the type of man that he was, that greatly unsettled him.
bluegreydude4 4 months ago 2
@bluegreydude4 i agree with u..
JaguarDK 2 months ago
Love thoose actors!!!
Anfield4Ever 4 months ago
Robert E Lee is my 2nd Cousin and Strong Vincent my 5th. Lots of family were in the conflict. It was as Selby Foote said, "A hell of a Croosraods of our lives.
God Bless All The Men and women. Americans All.
progressiverebel 5 months ago
@progressiverebel Interesting. I'm a Civil War buff from Finland and a scholar on Lee's portrayal in historical texts. A terrible struggle, but instigated by the North.
Stake2 4 months ago
@Stake2 Mary Ann Todd Lincoln came from Louisville and so even Lincoln's wife is my 4th cousin, great grandma Lydia Ellen I think knew her as her Dad was a Doctor. Major General Phil Kearney was killed at Chantilly and he had married one of the Bullit girls. So had people on both sides, The problem existed that the war came about because men seemed to get smarter. It was figured out that slavery was wrong and some people were determined to stop it. Changing times create problems. Americans all!
progressiverebel 4 months ago
the movie was great, but the cinimetography was not as good in the second part as the first 11/10
wadens1 5 months ago
Love this intro. The music is so powerful.
The filmakers did an outstanding job recreating that era. But-not to diminish this classic film-when you look at the side by side photos, you see in the original "players" a look that could never fully be captured by modern day, paid actors... That solemn, intense stare, the unkept, overgrown hair. Those portraits alone speak volumes abou t the nature of those men and the time period.
AdognamedOp 6 months ago
I am a proud American, who honors his Red, White and Blue flag. But I cannot refrain from respecting the South to the fullest degree. I can't choose a side. My minds tells me that I should support the North. But my heart goes out to the brave Southern men who made valiant charges during the course of the battle.
These men were brave beyond words. And wherever your affections might lie. Bravery is uncompromising.
HaggenPagan26 6 months ago 4
they said you could hear that cannons as far south as maryland, some say baltimore. either way it was a sad time in our history. and they were the bravest of men
Heshman1085 6 months ago
@Heshman1085 Actually, the artillery barrage that took place just before Pickett's Charge on the third day could be heard in Pittsburgh(about 200 miles away). There were about 170 cannon on the Confederate side and about an equal number on the Union side....As a Civil War artillery reenactor, it has been my privilege to see about 24 guns on a single gun line....I can tell you that the noise that they make is very impressive, I can only imagine what 300 guns sounded like on that day!
bluegreydude4 2 months ago
Jeff Daniels should've been nominated for an Academy Award for this
KWCline91 6 months ago 2
They fought in dirt, they died the grass, they fought for their beliefs, they may not have known, but, they died as Americans no matter what side they were on, no matter what they believed, they died as Americans as Patriots. God Bless Them
Hickok45jr 7 months ago
IMO one of the best movies ever made. Back when I had a favorite movie, I always said it was this. Unfortunately I've never gotten too many people to sit down and watch it with interest.
refugeeca 7 months ago
the picture 12 seconds in is realy authentic looking must be 20th maine its realy well done
boabmax 7 months ago
@boabmax The opening photos of Union and Confederates are the actors in costume, posed to look like old photos - but at 3:46, that's the real 20th Maine, with the real Tom Chamberlain in the front.
rob9641 7 months ago
type in and watch -
14th Indiana vs. Taylor Swift
It gets ugly real fast.
You will never think of the Civil War or Taylor Swift the same ever again.
1967mustanggta 7 months ago
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One of my favorite movies. The music from this is perfect for the movie.
Gettysburg20thMaine 7 months ago
Sorry Patton but thise one is better if not the
best ever made .
You simply have to bee a real pain in the rear area
to find something wrong with it out off any hstorikal relevan's
sorry Swed-Anglo-Amerikan lingvestik +dyslektisk
tjallew 8 months ago
People can say what they want to about Ted Turner. But I think he was a great man for making this movie and Gods and Generals. I have heard that "The Last Full Measure" was in the works but I have heard that since 2009. I was 11 when this movie came out. I recorded it off of TNT and wore that casette out. LOL. Totally a movie that is in a lague of its own. And the most humbling thing of all is that its all true.
EricW1063 8 months ago 6
@EricW1063 My grandpap recorded it off of TNT too and gave it to me and I've watched it over and over. I was about the same age as you. The music is inspirational from both sides.
Kdemer01 7 months ago
@UrbanFires iTunes
metalrocker627 8 months ago
Anyone know a website where I can download this song???
UrbanFires 8 months ago
brother against brother....... i cry for u, and still i understand
hnboddum 9 months ago
best civil war movie ever made, this and glory
novakmast21 9 months ago 3
That first chord is so powerful. Great sountrack, outstanding movie.
AdognamedOp 10 months ago
Google "Miles Reed" and "Arthur Reed" and see about Black Confederates!
Bestmanme08 10 months ago
Speaking of casting, a G'burg park ranger said, "It's not Martin Sheen's fault that he doesn't look like Robert E. Lee."
SSArcher11 10 months ago
My father was a huge cival war buff and Glory was our favorite movie. He died from cancer when i was 11 and him taking me to see this in the theater was one of the last things i remember of him. I remember it was so long there was an intermission and he patted me on the back and said your doing good son.(because of the length) Great movie, makes me thing of my pop.
BeLikeWater1000 11 months ago 12
@BeLikeWater1000 I lost my dad too (although I was much older than 11). I became a Civil War reenactor not long after this movie came out and the one thing that I regret was the fact that my dad never got to see me in a reenactment. I don't know where you live but I'd be willing to bet that there is a Civil War reenactment held near where you live. I'll bet that if you went to one, that feeling of a connection between you and your dad would be even stronger.
bluegreydude4 2 months ago
@bluegreydude4 Thanks for the kind words and you might just be right. I live just south of Boston, although my brother lives in virginia.(i would imagine that would have more). I would love to see one with my brother so if you know of any in my area Id love to hear about it.
BeLikeWater1000 2 months ago
@BeLikeWater1000 try Googling Civil War reenactments in Mass. You might be surprised. You might just get the chance to see a group that reenacts the 54th Massachussetts Infantry, an all black regiment that fought with distinction(including at least on Medal of Honor winner!) Further north you might be able to catch a group reenacting the 20th Maine, who saved the Union Army on the second day's battle at Gettysburg. Virginia does a lot too! Good luck to you! Hope to see you on the field some day
bluegreydude4 2 months ago
@bluegreydude4 Sounds good i will look into it. I know all about the 54th having seen glory and Read "Blue Eyed child of Fortune. (may be off on title) which is Col. Shaws bio. We have a great monument in boston to the 54th which is depicted at the end of the movie. Thansk for the tips!
BeLikeWater1000 2 months ago
Was never too crazy about the casting, but Sam Elliott sure looks and sounds like he came from that century.
hemming57 11 months ago
dont forget the majority of the soldiers on the confederate side,generals and all,were 2nd or 3rd generation ulster scots with a proud fighting tradation.
they irish on the union side were mostly straight off the boats from ireland but were fighters too
rockape560 11 months ago
@rockape560 DO NOT FORGET THE IRISH BRIGADE OR THE IRON BRIGADE AT THIS BATTLE.
TheRapper10000 11 months ago
While tneh General Chamberlain was selected to receive the arms and colors of Lee's army, Lee was never asked to surrender his sword. Part of the surender was that all Confederate officers wouls be allowed to keep their sidearms and horses. This was ammended to allow the enllisted men to keep their horses as well after Gen. Grant learned that their horses were personal property unlike the Union army.
FLAGSHIP37 1 year ago
@FLAGSHIP37 Also Grant understood that it was planting season and that without the horses the defeated Confederates would most likley starve without the horses to help them with the planting. Grant gave very good terms to Lee and even authorised 30,000 rations as he knew Lee's men were close to starving. Grant dosent get enough credit for that. He was a hard drinking, hard fighting Soldier but he felt compassion for the men who were now his countrymen again.
onionanon 1 year ago 2
@onionanon I am proud of the generals this nation has produced, beginning with Washington. Grant was magnanimous with Lee. After the war, the same politicians who lead us into this mess were still in charge but the generals came through said NO. Davis demanded a gureilla war and Lee opposed him publicly. Pres. Johnston planned to arrest and hang Lee - Grant personally forbid even an arrest. Lee never allowed an unkind word to be said about Grant in his presence. I am a huge Lee admirer.
stellalouise1 11 months ago
@stellalouise1 Let's not forget Gen. George Pickett....who would never let an unkind word be said about Abraham Lincoln. Why, you may ask? Because a then little known senator from the state of Illinois secured an appointment to West Point for a young man from Richmond, Virginia who went to Springfield, Illinois to study law.....George Pickett.
bluegreydude4 2 months ago
one of my fav movies
lefthooks24 1 year ago
Some 50,000 Americans fell around this small town in 3 days of brutal combat. If anyone has the opportunity, visit this place.....
mgwilliams1000 1 year ago 2
@mgwilliams1000 common mistake 50,000 were casualties, they didn't all die.
TigerRifle1 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1 KILLED, WOUNDED,or MISSING IT WAS Around 51,000 Dead.
TheRapper10000 11 months ago
@mgwilliams1000 More died here then in Vietnam.
demeandr121 11 months ago
@demeandr121 wrong.
Vietnam: 58,245. Gettysburg: 7,050
PaulMichaelHoffman 11 months ago
@PaulMichaelHoffman 7,050 are only causalities of Confederation in Picket's charge at 3th of July...but the battle raged for 3 days and there were dead men on both sides...
HowlingIronMetalBlog 11 months ago
@HowlingIronMetalBlog
US:
killed - 3,100
wounded - 14,500
missing/captured - 5,400
Confederacy:
killed - 4,700
wounded - 12,700
missing/captured - 5,800
bluegreydude4 2 months ago
@demeandr121 If your talking about the Civil war than yess. I think between 600-700k died in the civil war. Vietnam was around 65k.
Philliesboy16 10 months ago
Listening to this music scfor all the ore of the film makes you feel deeply for the men that fought all the battle's, and for all the family's that lost thier son's, or relative's,
kirkconway 1 year ago
I also have this dvd and havent watched it for awhile now. Yes sheen did what I think is excellent portrayol of lee. But there were many good acting jobs done such as jeff danials as Longstreet. Nice to see him play a straight dramatic part for once.
yes350yes 1 year ago
@yes350 Yes,,,,,,
Your close,,,,,,,,,, but a little off,
But no biggy, Tom Beringer played Jame's longstreet,
and Jeff Daniel's played Joshua lawrence Chamberlain of the 20th Maine,
Ive seen historian's do this too,
I mean you can't remember every detail of the war,
It's Impossible,
kirkconway 1 year ago
@yes350yes Jeff Daniels portrayed Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain....Tom Berenger portrayed Longstreet...who by the way did a much better job than Bruce Boxleitner in Gods and Generals!
bluegreydude4 2 months ago
ever notice every time they make a war movie or a series the historical accuracy just keeps getting better and better?Like just look at some of the civil war series from the 80s they had all the Union troops wear kepis then the 90s and Gettysburg came around and almost all the infantry kepis were out at least for enlisted men,the bar just keeps being set higher and higher
markmason1000 1 year ago
martin sheen ? no no no no no no no no
Tecumseh1812 1 year ago 2
I respect both sides in the Civil War. Both had their respective rights and wishes. I am a hard core General Robert E. Lee fan and have to admit Martin Sheen is an awesome job at the part. The music in this film sounded awesome along with the Historic General Pickett's Charge. Even though I grew up in the North I respect both sides and still do to this very day.
DELTA1978THETA 1 year ago 5
Any serious Civil War historian will always end up respecting both sides. Even if he or she started out as someone who was biased toward the North or South.
Northerners were fighting for the preservation of the Union and the emancipation of Blacks. Southerners were fighting against unwanted Federal incursion.
Their motivations were far different. The problem was, that both sides didn't understand one another. A little empathy may have solved the crises without a War. Sad.
StonewallJackson26 1 year ago 5
best movie ever!
tarheelsTM 1 year ago
If it weren't for this movie, I probably would not have become such a history buff.
BTW, "Gettysburg" is probably the most underatted film ever.
rkc2380 1 year ago 3
The Greatest battle in history
vanderdecken12 1 year ago
@vanderdecken12 I definitely think that Gettysburg is the most influential battle of the last 500 years. The fate of America hung in the balance and America has shaped the world the way it is today.
StonewallJackson26 1 year ago
Great film
Nighthawkx15 1 year ago
Picket is Col. Quaritch from Avatar!
Nightmonkey17 1 year ago
Super movie and super film music.
Anfield4Ever 1 year ago
No matter what life throws my way, I remember what the men portrayed in this movie had to endure, and suddenly my troubles seem insignificant.
sargeanb 1 year ago 2
The best civil war movie ever !!!!!!
McGyver162 1 year ago
I like the Soundtrack, I like the movie. A really bad time for America, full with darkness but also with hope, acting by many of the greatest actors. And Jeff Daniels eminent as Col. Chamberlain.
enugusun 1 year ago
Joshua Chamberlain gained everlasting fame at the pivotal battle by holding
Little Round Top in the face of successive attacks by the brave but exhausted
15th Alabama. It was amazing that he had no formal military training,but had an
intuitive grasp of tactics; he sensed just the right moment to Counter-attack,
driving the Confederates back down the hill.....he so deserved to be the one
chosen to receive Robert E. Lee's sword when he surrendered at AC House.
PeterRye58 1 year ago
STALINGRAD
THE REAL BATTLE
benblass 1 year ago
GETTYSBURG… OTHER TIMES – new book.
It is a great read about the famous battle and very different. You can get your copy from my YouTube site (GETTYSBURGbook) or search Amazon or eBay.
Cheers. To all.
GETTYSBURGbook 1 year ago
@GETTYSBURGbook just ordered the book. looks great...
DigbyCat 1 year ago
@GETTYSBURGbook is that the one that has time travel and the Confederates using AK-47's ? if so that's literary tripe! I don't know about anyone else but I never cared much for any sort of 'Twilight Zone' treatment of the Civil War. To me that's too much like messing with people's religion! JMHO!
bluegreydude4 2 months ago
I have this Movie on dvd & play it at least 6 times a year on my HD TV with my new Bose Sound system, it is unbelieveable. The music score is one of the best I have ever heard. Martin Sheen acting as General Lee, is one of the best and most memorable acting jobs I have ever seen. In my book, one of the Greatest movies ever made. Martin Sheen should of gotten an Academy Award. A big thank you has to be given to Ted Turner .
chee6060 1 year ago 30
@chee6060 Better go buy the Blu-ray.
SG1Mitchell 8 months ago
@chee6060
haha i actually thought your comment was mine! love the movie, my hdtv and bose system!
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meenksellaan1 1 year ago
In terms of likenesses, I agree that Daniels looked most like his character. On the other hand, Patrick Gorman was way too old to play Hood.
KNS1996DFS 1 year ago
Daniels looks exactly like Chamberlin
confederate21181 1 year ago 3
I love watching this movie on Sundays. Its just feel like a "Sunday" movie. This movie also got me interested in the Civil War---every American should know about it!
peachkim 1 year ago
and Jerry Mathers as the beaver
jetmtn 1 year ago
Sera gott - sannur klassi
MrHeriSimonsen 1 year ago
This is the best theme that is ever made - marvelous
MrHeriSimonsen 1 year ago
To all those who say slavery who'd have died a slow death, wake up look around!!!!!!!
tristanhbk 1 year ago
Can't even read a clean posting when SFH gets on here. There are acually young people who like history. They read this too! Tone it down man.
deerhunter59ify 1 year ago
i agree with your perception of daniels, he's kind of bland but if you watch a movie with him in it he's pretty good i think
tristanhbk 1 year ago
One of the greatest yet under-rated films of all time. This story is one of the most pivitol moments in our nation's history. Not just because it marked the beginning of the end of the bloodiest war in American history but because it saved our nation and preserved the union which it stood for. These men all of them both Confederate and Union soldiers all fought and died as Americans. Never forget the sacrifice they made.
theproducerspart2 1 year ago
The Intro is awesome!
Nogger86Germany 1 year ago
I was wondering, Kilrain was the only non-real character in the movies, but who is the soldier at 1:13 ?
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
@ViccardXViccc morelikely one of many thousands of soldiers who fought and who's name we will never know
Yorgar 1 year ago
@Yorgar guess so ;)
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
@Yorgar Apparently Buster is based off of George Buck who was a real Sergeant in the 20th Maine, or that is the most likely scenario as to who it is.
EvaIowaCubsFan 1 year ago
@ViccardXViccc May never know. Gettysburg used thousands of Civil War re-enactors from across the country. We may never know their names, but they all volunteered to be in the movie. And all came in their own uniforms, guns, everything. Whcih worked great for the movie, because most re-enactors know more about the battles and formations, and battle tactics than most. At least when the civil war is concerend.
bluntman1138 1 year ago
This film is truly amazing in my top 10!
Hauntedman1 1 year ago 2
A pitty Richard Jordan died 3 weeks after Gettysburg was made. But then again.... this movie was dedicated to him. :)
demeandr121 1 year ago
I love the GETTYSBURG MOVIE.
TheRapper10000 1 year ago 2
While this movie was still in the theaters, I went to see it in Gettysburg. When it ended close to midnight and I left the theater, I remember thinking "These very streets echoed with the sounds of that battle..."
hovanti 1 year ago 39
@hovanti I KNOW! I have been there before. The whole city is still one big graveyard. After the battle, their were torrential rains and some of the dead still on the field of battle were naturally buried in the soil. A few years back, when I visited, they found a human skeleton by the train station. So they called the Police and assumed someone had been murdered. Turned out it was human remains from the battle.
StonewallJackson26 9 months ago
the composition of the music for this movie, was so absolutely perfect. A choir of Angels could not have done better. It truely brought out the feelings behind those who were in this war, and the ones reinacting it.
Irishgirl41 1 year ago 4
They nailed Chamberlain pretty hard. Daniels was amazing in this film! :)
demeandr121 1 year ago 3
@rickcee-- even if you are correct, which I deny. The world is a better place because of fear of God. Even with radical Islam and yes the Crusades as i'm sure you will point out. The belief in a God gives man hope and someone to answer to. If all beleived in nothing then we would have much less success in society. Most human law is rooted in religion.
stevo2440 1 year ago
@stevo2440
You know the Greeks had laws against Murder and Stealing, so did the Egyptians. And these were not for religious purposes. SO no, your assumption that human law is rooted in religion is false.
Also, most o the technological and medical breakthroughs in the past 400 years have been made by those that do not believe in a God.
The Dark Ages were 900 years of religious rule in Europe. Were thinking and going against the Bible was punished with swift death.
bluntman1138 1 year ago
@bluntman1138 Greeks and Egyptians? Wow that's the best you have? Although they may have been polytheistic, they were religious my friend. These claims may work with the people you are used to arguing with, but not with people who know history.
"You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts!" --Michael Medved
stevo2440 1 year ago
@stevo2440 Wow, you are a moron. What i was illustrating was the Greeks and Egyptians had shared social laws against stealing and murder. It was NOT their religious beliefs that formed the basis of these laws. I never claimed they werent religious, i was reputing you saying most human law is rooted into religion, into which you are WRONG.
And i most assuredly know more about history than you. And as history has shown, people with no religion change the world for the better.
bluntman1138 1 year ago
@rickcee-- seriously? Scheme but no schemer? How does that work exactly? I guess you should really call yourself an agnostic since you have no explaination. Cause most athiest believe in some sort of theory like the big bang, which is an accident. sorry to use that word again but how else would you explain it?
stevo2440 1 year ago
@stevo2440 Nope, stevo--I'm not an agnostic anymore than anyone could be agnostic about anything. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool atheist. I don't have to defend a negative. An atheist requires no argument for his lack of belief in god. You, like everyone on earth, was born with no belief in god too. You LEARNED to be superstitious from adults. It's the believers who need to exhibit proof of a god, not the other way around. Sure, all atheists are somewhat agnostic. Show proof, must believe.
rickcee 1 year ago 3
@rickcee Why do atheists get so worked up when you question them? Maybe it's because you have doubts about your own beliefs too and don't like us to remind you of it.
stevo2440 1 year ago
Lee's alleged genius is as real as the notion of the existence of a god. Neither are true. Lee was a brilliant guy, but to be honest his generalship was never as good as the potential people saw in him from a young age. He was a typically cruel southern landowner and did in fact employ some very horrific tactics in dealing with runaways, especially runaway women slaves. Probably raped them regularly too. Married rich and lived in a big house at what is now Arlington House. Didn't even buy it
rickcee 1 year ago
@rickcee -- I agree Lee's genius is probably overblown by legend. But how can you dispute his ability to lead when you consider the overwhelming disadvantages he faced. He did after all out do every Union General (4 total) until Grant and Sherman.
And please don't come on here and blast peoples believe in God. I truly feel sorry for you...how helpless it must feel to believe that there is no one above man. The human body is an engineering marvel...its no accident...its created by someone.
stevo2440 1 year ago
@stevo2440 Helpless? To feel there is no ONE above man? Are you kidding? Tons of things are above man. But it's not a god. Nature is incredible, and no....it's no accident. It's a scheme absolutely...there just happens to be no schemer. Why do you godbots always have to use the word "accident"? No atheists I know ever think of life on this planet as an "accident." Oh no...it's a scheme alright, but it's not god's scheme. It just "is". God?...please...what a ridiculous concept.
rickcee 1 year ago
rick - very well stated. No shemer -- I like that. No intercessory God.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
Lee was a great general--probably not as instinctively gifted as Stonewall Jackson, whose services Lee lost when Jackson was killed at Chancellorsville, but he was great nonetheless. Lee never enjoyed the success he had prior to Jackson's death, and that probably says something about Jackson even more than it does Lee. But, like all rich white boys who owned slaves and thought it was okay....well, let's just say the right team won.
rickcee 1 year ago
Lee's great general shit is just that -- shit. Lee did unimaginably stupid things, repeatedly, and AGAINST the clear advise of his generals, resulting very likely in losing the war. Shelby Foote said something like "Losing Gettysburg (and the war) was the price the South paid for putting Lee in charge"
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@SouthernFriedHoney Lee was always out numbered but yet he won battle after battle until July of 1863. one the reasons he lost Gettysburg was the fact that Stonewall Jackson died in may, the Union finally got someone ( Meade) who somewhat knew what he was doing. in 1864-65 in the siege of Petersburg Grant surrounded Lee and cut off his supply lines so the Lee's army had no food. that is y he lost the war. Lincoln finally found the guy to win the war U.S. Grant.
amdr427 1 year ago
Admr -- yes pretty much. But the idea Lee won until Gettysburg is silly. He lost Antietam.
Plus, he was on his own ground, playing defense most of the time, which was hard to beat. Much of Lee's "military genius" is hype, part of the floodgates of myths .
Remember when Lee went on the offense, he was bitch slapped. Remember too - he ran like a pussy from Richmond on the incorrect rumor the lines were breeched.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
Admr Lee lost the war because the Southern people did not support the Confederacy nearly as much as you pretend or assume. Many men deserted Lee -- even as early as 1862. He rightly predicted desertions would make it impossible to win. Jeff Davis said the same thing.
Over 2/3 of the soldiers deserted -- accroding to Jeff Davis in 1864. Desertions grew even worse. The poor whites who did not have slaves, simply didnt want to fight for slave based confederacy.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@amdr427 Lee was outnumbered?
Not if you count the slaves Lee forced to build the defenses, he was not. Nice trick to have 100,000 slaves build massive defenses. Plus you don't count your deserters. No nation on earth ever had the desertion rate the South did - not the french, not the Italians. But you can't admit that cause you want this myth of southern bravery.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
Lee was a good man? Does a good man scream at naked 14 year old girls while he has them whipped? Lee did. Does a good man sell the babies of slaves (that he probably raped) to build up his wealth? Lee did. Does a good man stay in uniform of the US while secretly planning a military coup? Lee did. Does a good man say owning others is "spiritual liberty"? Lee did.
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
@BullshipDetector look you General Robert E. Lee was one of the best generals in the Civil War. Read Gods and Generals a great book part of which is in Lee's mind. in the book you will find nothing about lee beating slaves or him screaming at girls. you are completely wrong about Lee.
amdr427 1 year ago
AMDR are you fucking retarded? really? are you? SO lets get this straight - in some book, there is no mention of Lee whipping slave girls, selling children, whatever.
SO THE FUCK WHAT you retard? Only what the author put in there, you dumb fuck, is in the book. And guess what dumb fuck? He left OUT Lee's cruelty to slave girls, selling children, screaming at young women while he had them tortured.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@SouthernFriedHoney you are telling me that a Bible believing God fearing man tortured them. i would like to know where you found all the crap.
amdr427 1 year ago
Admr you gotta be kidding. Bible believing? Listen dufus, the entire SOUTH was bible believing. Every slaver was religious. Jeff Davis said slavery was a devine blessing,and that GOD delievered the negro to the white man to do his work. Lee wrote that God INTENDED slavery to be painful and cruel, to teach Negroes to be submissive to whites. You apparently know nothing of the south.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
ADMR -- Lee's own account books validate the Norris letter, is one place. Lee's own letters saying God intended slavery to be painful to negroes. His own biographer Pryor showed he FREQUENTLY sold children, broke up every slave family he owned by selling the mother, or the child,, which was totally against the norms of rich slave owners. Lee had a "hunting list" of slave women he most wanted to capture - in his OWN handwriting.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@SouthernFriedHoney you still have not given me a name of where you found this.
amdr427 1 year ago
Admr -- Lee's account books, dumb fuck. For the 10th time. His account books show "hunting list" of slave women he most wanted captured. His OWN FUCKING handwriting, in his OWN fucking account books, show he kept very very detailed track of where his female escaped slaves might be -- obsessed with them. He would pay six times the normal bounty to get some back - and hve them whipped. Verfied letters show he would scream at these young women WHILE they were being tortured.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@SouthernFriedHoney do you think your language will convince someone who's been brought up on the Southern Myths? Could you simply point to a URL where you can read Lee's account books, let the first person source speak for itself. During the Gettysburg campaign blacks were swept up and sent down South into slavery, freeman or escaped slave, so much for the War being about anything BUT slavery.
jglogau 1 year ago
jg -- actuallly, surprisingly, Ive 30-40people who emailed me bitter remarks, and I wrote back emails with quotes, citations, more quotes, and 2-3 of those DID write back and say, WOW, and say they will take another look.
Ive seen web sites which say much of what Im saying --- but mostly I use books FROM that period.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@jglogau about the "sweeps" from Gettysburg of blacks. Did you know there were reports of slaves walking single file - as far as you could see, from the North to South right after EP was issued? Apparently some big slave owners in the upper South were not going to risk keeping their stock anywhere near a free state.
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@amdr427 Nope....Bullship is totally correct about Lee. We can't dispute that there was some element of greatness about Lee, but we also cannot dispute that he was just another rich white kid with a good education, thanks to West Point, and that because, like most southerners, their "states" were more important to them than being Americans. Virgina, Virginia, Virginia. PUhleeze. How about AMERICA? How about you marry rich (Washington's godson's daughter) and own slaves. Smart guy, bad guy
rickcee 1 year ago
In the end Lee lost because the people of the South didn't support the COnfederacy. Over 2/3 of the soldiers deserted by 64 -- according to Jeff Davis.
Even more - you SHOULD have had 1 million men in the Army, but you NEVER got more than 250K, and they proved to be mostly deserters. The big open secret the South has hid for 150 years -- is massive desertion and lackk of support for the Nazi like Confederates.
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
Family always comes first on both sides, in Lee's army the Louisiana Brigades show a near 22% desertion rate, but of those near 70% went back to La and fought with home front units.
The death rate in the units from Louisiana in Virginia is near 20%, and when you start going over who went home and fought, those men lost near to 30%.
Tellgryn 1 year ago
Tell 100% of your goof "statistics" are bullshit and meaningless.
Jeff Davis HIMSELF said 2/3 of the soldiers deserted, and he actually went on a speaking tour to urge the citizens --- they were hiding the deserters -- to make them come back. Got that retard? Lee himself said they need to hang more deserters or his army would "melt away" -- and it did melt.
Learn real history, dumb ass, not your unsane Southernn Myths
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
You better start reading on the war before posting. Lee, Jackson and Longstreet all agreed to fight a defensive war to hold down the casualties. Most of the southerns volutneered to fight, but no one thought the war would last over 6-12 months. The desertion rates are high on both side of the war, because when mom called and the crops had to be planted they (the soldiers) went home.
Tellgryn 1 year ago
This film does a decent job of showing Lee is an idiot. Lee actually thought his actions were guided by God -- and that getting his men killed for his stupid ideas was sorta of like "let God sort em out". Lee was incredibly callus about death and injury of his own men -- which was the big reason his Army deserted so badly, and why the South lost/
FarceTax 1 year ago
@FarceTax What the hell? The rebs gave Lee a nickname: Marse Robert!
Indeed, some soldiers deserted, but that was mainly in the first year.
Robert Edward Lee loved his soldiers, and they loved him back.
The leaders of the Union were very unpopular.
When people really believed in God, that doesn't make them idiots.
Lee indeed taught that God decided in the end, but still he made perfect tactics
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
Vic -- Lee's desertions were massive, Lee wrote several times to Davis claiming if we don't hang more deserters, our Army will "melt away". And melt away they did. Jeff Davis tried to shame and plead for them to return -- see his speech September of 64 in Macon, where he said 2/3 of the soldiers had deserted, and if just HALF came back, the South could not lose.
FarceTax 1 year ago
Vic -- Lee's military genius? Wrong, he LOST the war for you. As Shelby Foote said - losing Gettsburg was the price the South paid for having Lee in charge. But far worse for the South, Lee got the thin veneer of "true believers" killed off. He massacared his own men -- stupidly -- in his delusions that God above was magically directing his actions. No army EVER, on their own ground, had near the desertion rate the Confederate did. In fact, it ended up virtually 100%
FarceTax 1 year ago
@FarceTax Lee was a genius in tactics. At the end, he lost because Grant was a good general to AND grant had far more soldiers and supplies.
15% of the union soldiers deserted(however, 1/3 soldiers were recaptured)
the numbers in the CSA army were, after the first year, low, about a few procent
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
Vic no dumb ass -- that's what they told you retards. But the facts are different than the myths, retard. Davis HIMSELF said 2/3 of the soldiers deserted. Was he lying? Hell, he was UNDERSTATING it.
Lee HIMSELF said they needed to hang more deserters -- or the army would melt away. Was he lying? Desertions -- and lack of men who would even join or be drafted -- is why you lost. Naturally, you don't want that truth out, because then people would ask -- WHY
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
@ViccardXViccc dumb fuck - Myth makers created the Lee you know. Mostly starting with Douglas Freeman, who literally equated Lee with Christ, and had sketches of Lee blessing children in his books. Freeman was a lunatic, yet you dumb fucks base your view of Lee on his work.
Freeman never reported things like Lee's HUNTING LIST of slave women he wanted captured most, and whipped, Kept in his OWN handwriting, in his OWN account book, for example.
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
@BullshipDetector Thanks, but anyway, do you got any proof/prove(i don't know how to write it)
Lee was a good man, so was Hancock, Grant, Jackson, Lincoln. You can say they are idiots, or you can respect them. Fortunate, most of the people do respect them
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
Vic - Lee's own recent biographer, Pryor, shows he REGULARLY and FREQUENTLY sold children, that he screamed at naked female slave women while he had them whipped. Got that retard? He kept a HUNTING list of slave women in his own account books. He was also goofy, totally believing God was magically causing things to happen, and idiotically sending his men to death, which ended up losing you the war.
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
I tired to show this in the 5th grade, my teacher wouldn't let me.
demeandr121 1 year ago
@demeandr121 your teacher is a fool,greets from germany
benblass 1 year ago
Thank you for supporting me.
demeandr121 1 year ago
@demeandr121 Why? It's a great historian movie
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
Great movie and great book. Jeef Shaaras books were almost as good
paracel72 1 year ago
its a great move
Disturbdchick 1 year ago
At first I thought all of the photos were authentic Civil War era photos. But then at 0:25 I noticed Colonel Freemantle on the right side is decked out in a uniform that he never wore while in America. And next to him is Longstreet with his horribly fake beard. Then I realized that the first two pictures are actually the actors of this film posing, with the photos made to look like from the 1860s. All the other photos should be authentic (I think).
Great opening, and great song!
Fortaker 1 year ago
I think Jeff Daniels has out done himself in this role. Anyway still funny to watch this and then something like Dumb and Dumber!
sjfilly 1 year ago
Daniels was a wonderful surprise in this role. I never dreamed he could actually act. I was wrong.
rob9641 1 year ago 14
@rob9641 Jeff Daniels did a great job in the role of Chamberlain.
For all the criticism, Martin Sheen portrayed Lee very well.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@sjfilly
He is very good actor, I know what you mean though:)
paracel72 1 year ago
I have this clip on my 'favorites' list and visit it from time to time. It is gratifying to always see different comments being posted, meaning of course that history is being heeded. What a delight it is to read the input of those who are knowledgeable which, thank goodness, far outweighs that of the occasional fool.
SgtMajTom 1 year ago 10
Sgt Maj - nonsense - - most of these guys know MYTHS -- and nothing of real history. The Southern losers have spent 150 years spinnig their shit into brass. Learn the REAL history - which you can get from Lee's actual account books, Davis Speeches, Southern books before and after the war. This shit you get now about an honorable South is bullshit.
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
@SgtMajTom for example, read books written right after the war, BY Southern historians. Totally different than what you get now. They speak of massive desertions openly -- they didn't know it would be covered up. They speak of the South, all through the election of 1860, promising war if the North dared to vote for Lincoln. Read REAL shit you fucks have never been told about, written AT the time, BY the South.
BullshipDetector 1 year ago
@SgtMajTom dumb fuck - knowledgable? Are you fucking retarded?
DO you know that Lee's own account books -- in his OWN handwriting -- he has "hunting lists" of slave women he most wanted captured, and what he would pay? DO you know he paid SIX TIMES the normal rate to capture and whip a certain slave girl, 14 years old? And he screamed at her while he had her tortured? Did you know Lee regularly sold the children of his slaves?
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago
@SouthernFriedHoney i want a name of the place you found this info.
amdr427 1 year ago
Another source is Lee's 1856 letter to his wife In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former.
amdr427 1 year ago
Yes idiot - that letter is like Hitler saying God wants us to punish the jews - maybe in 2,000 years GOD will punish the jews enough, we can stop gassing them. Lee is justifying not just slavery - but the PAIN AND CRUELTY of slavery. Its NECESSARY we treat the blacks with violence and threats -- because that's how Negroes learn. That's the real message dumb fuck. Consider that Lee he was whipping women, screaming at them while they were being tortured. He was a socioath dumb fuck
SouthernFriedHoney 1 year ago