Landing London - City (LCY / EGLC)

[Joefsxpilot]

What airline is CFE=Flyer??? Please pal is it KLM Fokker 70?

[RockRocky09]

nice landing

[TheBajhuj]

cOoL. a good landing. too much nose down though.

[TheBajhuj]

cOoL. a good landing.

[flyingtrashbin]

bloody hell

10 degrees nose down on the glideslope

yeah, i know about 5.5

[BIMMERKID2]

I believe its an ATr 42 or 72

[stenhammarledsbo]

@BIMMERKID2 No, Saab 2000 

[stenhammarledsbo]

@BIMMERKID2 No, Saab 2000

[rog146200]

No, this is definitely not a BAe 146/Avro RJ.

[wesseldewerk]

Can someone just say wich plane this is? AVRO/BAe of a Turboprop?

I can hear a reverser when the plane touche's down and it sounds like a turboprop!

[MrSkodaman]

@wesseldewerk See my previous post. This is an Avro RJ, almost certainly an RJ100. As far as I know BA Cityflyer never flew turboprops between Edinburgh and LCY. The Avro RJ doesn't have thrust reversers. The turboprop noise is probably from an aircraft on an adjacent stand.

[yisasakopaka]

who were the people directing the plane to turn and stop?

[boredofnames]

great landing considering he is using his elbow and knees to do the controls so he can hold the camera steady, i suppose it's like driving a transit reading the map and eating a pasty while talkin on the phone. easy lol

[MrRapidWien]

why is no airbus allowes on this airport?

[greengoblin200]

@MrRapidWien a318 is goes to jfk

[transportguy100]

what airline

[bs2502]

Great video xrey, great quality, clean, clear view.

[xrey009]

Gracias por e comentario

[spurs19831983]

on approach there was a voice saying something that i couldnt make out (a computerised voice) What did he say and what does it mean?

[CommanderDenton]

@spurs19831983 It said "Minimums, minimums!". It mean's the pilot is at the minimum AGL height allowed for a particular approach. At this point he must see the runway (or it's approach lights) and decide either to continue the landing or execute a go-around.

[spurs19831983]

@CommanderDenton Cool thanks. Im going on a flight simulator in a few weeks watching these for some tips.:-)

[reedyspeedy12]

@CommanderDenton ye it does say minimums

[hd20ify]

nice



[tanmyman777]

Why is the approach so high?--I know it is in the city area but I would have expected it to be a little lower. Great Video!

[thunderbolt997]

nice game lol. no nice

[adamski895RS]

is not a game?

[petetongdj]

turboprop engines?

[bilshut]

is it true that EGLC has a 5 degree glide slope? ps nice video!

[vicentiupaul]

no way :P

[TheGreatFlyer]

Excellent video! I l love it! Great quality! Keep up the good work!

Just a simple question:

How did you get in the jumpseat? Did you just ask out the pilot?

Please reply!

[AUDI80ROBLOX]

I think he is the pilot. He isn't at the jumpseat. He's at the right seat. The co-Pilot seat. He is filming....

[tylerbm1997]

@AUDI80ROBLOX As you can see at 2:23, the First Officers head is showing. Also why would the First Officer be filming while helping the Captain on approach and the reverse thrusters. The First Officer needs to be paying attention anyways. There are people on the plane depending on him and the Captain to arrive at their destination safely not video taping.

[vicentiupaul]

SAAB 2000

[greengoblin200]

@vicentiupaul bae 146...

[gryzman]

this is the "easy" side of EGLC

[bongose]

BAe is not possible -> doesn't has reverse...

[haristk7]

It does possible and it does happen. BA Cityflyer (or whatever it's name) fly their Bae 146 (or Avro RJ) from LCY to various destination around Europe, bt they will be replaced with EMB-190

[planeboy737]

@haristk7 And the EMB-170's

[flyboy6753]

@bongose tons of BAE's land here daily

[bongose]

yes offcourse! but on the video you hear reverse thurst and a avvro or BAE doesn't has reverse...

[DominoFaz]

That's because it doesn't need it, it's brakes, spoilers and lift dumpers are effiecent enough.

The A380 only has 2 reverse thrust engines, but the brakes are good enough to have none, the only reason it has it is to accomodate for US Aviation Laws.

[stuka101]

Embraer?

[clhoyt1003]

Sweet.

[whatstheprob1932]

wat type of plane is it

[LynxZF7]

BAe 146?

[airboy1997]

yer they use the a318 to go to jfk from lcy

[alejoelbote]

Excellent landing ¿The aircraft a boeing?

[TheREALHIPNOTIC]

looked a little high but it was nice

[aceridgey]

GS at london city is more than 7 degrees super super steep glideslope.

so not really high

[TheREALHIPNOTIC]

can you explain that, what does that mean 7 degrees? is that the VS?

[boelkstoffschlucker]

well the glideslope isn't that steep, it's about 5.5 degrees, usually it's 3.

if a plane is holding its altitude, its nose is level. that's 0 degrees. When approaching a "normal" airport it descends with a nose down attitude of about 3 degrees, here it's 7 degrees.

[TheREALHIPNOTIC]

oh alright, thanks

[mozs11]

its actually a 5.5 degreeglide slope

[EEBraindeadEE]

it's actually ' only ' 5.5° which is 9.6%. I flew it 3 days ago, I can assure you its like this ;)

[bryanttie]

its 7.5 exactly

[electronikgt69]

man u are ? a commercial PiLOT?

[LiiV3LoNDoNLiiF3]

The length of LCY airport is 1,508m long! I think they should extend it a bit, for the safety of the pilots and everyone onboard.

[aaahhhhaaaahhhh]

wheres the axttion fuckers!

[xrey009]

Why insult

[aaahhhhaaaahhhh]

i want action cool explosions asshoe

[msenteza]

OMG. I can see my old neighborhood from this video.

[Zhivagoo]

This is a SAAB 2000 isn't it??

[AirlineAviation]

@Zhivagoo It is

[Zhivagoo]

@AirlineAviation Thanks!;)

[MrSkodaman]

@Zhivagoo No - it's an Avro RJ, probably an RJ-100. BA Cityflyer never had Saab 2000s. They operated Avro RJs on all their routes to/from LCY until they were replaced by Embraer 170s starting late last year.

[EinkOLED]

The normal glide angle for the approach in most aircraft is 3 degrees, at london city airport the glide approach angle is 5 degrees. The pilots would be trained to fly this approach in their (ype rating course), which would also require simulator training. Most passenger jets can't fly a stabilised approach at anything above 3 degrees except of course the aircraft which have been certified to do so.

[smow70]

thats not entirely true EGLC is 5.5 deg. Most passenger jets can handle upto 4-4.5 deg. There are many airports in the world that have 3.5 and 4, I have flown to them.

[arthurmee]

thanks

[Ramster211]

do pilots need training to fly to London City airport?

[maskedhedgehog]

I'm not sure but it's a captain only approach I think

[dazz787]

i don't get it how they take off in a short runway

[caboose7775]

That's the reason why only BAE's, AVROS, FOKKERS,... are allowed to land/takeoff there :) They don't need a long runway.

[HaggisPowah]

Airbus A318s are certified to land there too. BA are (were?) contemplating a business service from LCY to Newark with US customs pre-clearance/fuel top-up in Shannon, Ireland. Dunno if thats still a go or not

[globalste]

Yep - it starts in October. The new Embraers are replacing the RJ100s - still awaiting full certification though

[77gerbils]

supposed to be from Sept 2009 - £3000 i was told

[Airbus294]

yep, they do, and it costs £5,682 if you want to go next week. i checked on ba website.

[TheFutureIsRightHere]

how did they slow down so fast on the runway?

[RobertGary1]

Its funny but they never teach you about the signals the aircraft handlers use to direct you in flight school. I remember my first flight into a larger airport. As I was being directed in I was thinking; I'm not really sure what all this hand waving really means!!! The ground handers get several hours in training but they just assume pilots know it!

[livingthedream85]

Its covered in ATPL Theory Air Law and probably CPL thoery exams as well I would expect.

[RobertGary1]

In the US its either not covered or I just didn't remember it mixed with the millions of other things we had to memorize before the exam.

[ForrestHK101]

Actually it is not a reverse thrust, it is just the noise of the wheel of the aircraft contact with the ground while touchdown and rolling out on the runway.

In fact, reverse thrust/props is prohibited in london city airport due to noise abatement procedures.

[RobertGary1]

I'd bet is just discouraged. I've never flown into an airport that prohibits something that could be necessary for safety. A lot of airports also ask you to use minimum power after reaching a certain altitude but they can't enforce that either.

[liamkirkham]

not true im afraid, most aircraft into EGLC use reverse thrust

[davepic]

@liamkirkham, which ones as the bulk of eglc flights use bae 146 or avro r j's which don't have reverse thrust fitted. they rely on lift dumpers and tail mounted air brake, and very good brakes to stop on this short runway.

[kirokw]

holy crap!! ..water on both sides of the runway +_+

[d0rkiishchris]

i think the pilot yanked the props into reverse just before they got on the ground, which slammed them into the ground.

[fightingtemeraire]

Reverse thrust before the nosewheel touches down... sloppy flying.

[fsxgamemaster]

I will kill you if this was a BAe 146

[d0rkiishchris]

go to the airport and watch the planes land. You probably won't see one airplane wait to put the nose down before engaging reverse.

[cjracer1000]

wow, because last time i chceckd they don't make reverse props just the jet engine part of the turbo prop

[Jimmy57452]

Um, yeah they do. Most DeHavilland aircraft have reverse, the Cessna Caravan has reverse, Saab aircraft have reverse.

[RobertGary1]

No, I've flown the Platus and we has reverses on it. The prop has a Beta position that causes it to produce reverse thrust. We were not suppost to use it though in most cases because it causes the prop to pick up rocks, etc.

[cjracer1000]

so is it like the prop changes it's pitch to push air fowdard?!

[RobertGary1]

Yes

[cjracer1000]

ok thanks!

[anetchi]

man, I can't WAIT till I'm landing in London, I want to see England, Ireland, Scotland so so badly!!

[bodkins01]

not Wales also???

[watts18269]

Nobody likes the Welsh

[bodkins01]

LMAO strange we always dislike people we are jealous of.

[muffigw]

Hehe, you pwned him ^^

[chadders42]

Who would want to visit a farm?

[floepie22]

bit of a hard landing:D

[usamichael3]

what aircraft is that matey?

[xrey009]

Saab 2000

[HighFlyer186]

Great video, I was at London city yesterday

[CJ27]

I really do love this airport. It has a unique area around it. A steep approach. Beautiful aircraft that fly into it. The Staff and ground crew are brilliant.

[lowflyingcessna]

That looks like a neat little commercial airport. I'd have fun watching planes go in and out of there. Can anybody tell me how long the runway is in FEET? Greetings from Maine.

[sybietube]

1508 x 30 m

[sybietube]

1508 meters = 4 948 feet

[bombcat91]

Can't be a BAe RJ's, cause the sound is from a turboprop and RJ's series doesn't have reverse. I fly on time with an AF SAAB 2000 to this airport. What a superb aircraft !

[mogms]

what aircraft is it? :O

[Wagontour08]

it might be a Bae146-200

[CaptSam747]

The aircraft is a Saab 2000.

[mogms]

ok thx ;)

[OnePound2009]

A380, Not...

[ForrestHK101]

TR cannot be used in this airport due to sound limitaions in the city.

[user1154101]

nice vid - tnx for posting! wife and I would love to visit London some day...

[icekraker987]

haha..I love the place!!! Its a nice city 2 visit. You see many exciting things there :).. where u from anyway

[user1154101]

I'm sure we'd have a blast. We are in lower Michigan, north of Detroit - otherwise known as the Motor City... Lived here all my life.

[inca10]

Cool vid....I live right opposite LCY....see so many go-arounds, touch and go's....heavy landings etc! But this vid cant be 2007, in frames 33-42secs my 7 block 14 storey development should be easily visible thru the pilots left side window as it is right on the riverfront....but u can just about see the tower cranes instead....so this vid must be pre-2004.

[ThomasKaira]

It is, the new apron (built in 2004) is not present in this vid.

[dfolt]

Nice one! - I flew in on one of those on 18th October from SXB - LFST to you pilots. Would have loved to see it from this perspective as LCY is my favourite airport in Europe. Requires some real hands on flying I suppose, plus some good brakes and reverse thrust (if fitted, albeit not on the ARJs).

[THUGPAT4N]

is the pilot recording this

[mrbeanaswell]

he used reverse thrust- which is not permitted in LCY:

[detpilot]

Turboprops don't have reverse thrust, it's Beta. And if I think beta (or reverse) is going to help get my airplane stopped safer, then damn the noise requirements. Going off the end of the runway is loud too, ya know.

[mrbeanaswell]

He did an illegal thing- Just cause beta isnt visible.

[ajcrw]

I cant think of one respectable pilot that you could tell to not use his TR on a runway that short.

[mrbeanaswell]

you can't??? Well, its a fact.

[ajcrw]

I guess thats why every aircraft equipped with reverse thrust uses them at LCY?

[mrbeanaswell]

You seem to live in the United States.I doubt you have ever been to LCY. Well, I have, many times, and I've flown nearly every possible aicraft to there. Not one has used rt or beta.

[cjracer1000]

whats beta??

[mrbeanaswell]

reverse thrust for turboprops

[cjracer1000]

thanks ; )

[FlightCrewWannaBe]

God I love your videos

[darioandrade]

This airport is quite funny. I wonder what happens if someone gets confused and tries to land on the "runways" on the sides

[GunnerGraham]

Lovely touchdown.

[captianofthesky1]

yer a 737 is to big

[captianofthesky1]

what planewas it was it a 737

[matty1992101]

in london city?!?!

[mrbeanaswell]

are you kidding? This is LCY, not heathrow!

[csorsz777]

British Airways will fly an Airbus A318 from LCY to JFK with one stop somwhere...

[mrbeanaswell]

oh yeah? Whats the point?

[csorsz777]

its bigger than a Fokker 50 (what this plane is) and big as a 737, so a 737 could land there...

[mrbeanaswell]

what are you talking about you stupid idiot?

[csorsz777]

because somebody write before, that this is a 737, and others said, that it is impossiple to land a 737 there, no it isn't becaus BA will fly an A318 from there

[mrbeanaswell]

Will they? Where to? And who told you this?

Cause I doubt it very much - the runway would have to be extended and the airport facilities updated.

[csorsz777]

I read it on wikipedia.

To New York with one stop somwhere in the atlantic ocean. It will have only 32 seats (Only Club World seats)

[mrbeanaswell]

what a bunch of crap.

[rjhonert]

Not a bunch of crap but true. It will be an all business class flight! And the A318 is certified to land at LCY WITH thrust reversers!

[ajcrw]

Hate to steal your thunder, but its happening. Business config A318 London city - ireland - new york. Nonstop on the return leg.

[Jenxiio]

seems a good landing! :)

[fsxfs]

This is not Edinburgh (see description) but London City (see movie and descriiption).

Ciao,

Alexander

[cybersoft1]

The plane is a ScotAirways Dornier 328

[henry160596]

Sounds like a Cessna Caravan if i am correct?

[emosandknives]

no its a saab 200 caravan cockpits arent nearly that complex they dont even have glass panels

[picasso800]

it was nice video 5/5 from me

[kelseycosgrove]

wow cool

[xrey009]

This video was uploaded on July 2007

I didnt say that it was taken on July 2007

[SwissBigWaveSurfer]

probably a saab200/-340 ?

[kpt4roger]

Wich airplane was that?

[xrey009]

Thanks whit your comment. The Date (julio 09 2007) that is day the video put in youtube, and lend this video. thx

[golfcharlie232]

Sorry but it's not your video, and it's not a flight from Edinburgh and not taken in July 2007 ...

Why? Because it comes directly from FL350, the plane is a Saab 2000 onwed by Air France, and if you have a look to the runway you'll see that there is no taxiway on the left, while there's one since 2004 ... sorry man but you got it wrong.

[matt10077]

Yes that is very true! it is a saab 2000 and london city has the taxi way's on the left which have been there for sometime now.

[mrdistraction]

the PAPI lights said 2 red 2 whites which meant good aproach, but when i looked at the landing,the plane landed more ahead than usually

[TheDude7273]

look at the touchdown tyre marks on the runway. i think he planted it pretty much spot on

[airudah2000]

Wow. I have been wondering what it looks like watching the landing from the cockpit into eglc. i am used to watching them from my dorm room (UEL docklands) and i try to simulate in fs9. this is awesome. thanks for the vid

[xrey009]

pls watch my other videos thx

[minderazor164]

its a cock pit!

[riddlez46]

Lol.

[riddlez46]

Its a Saab 2000, it has more LCD gauges than the Saab 340.

[Jimbofilms]

Looks more like the cockpit of a SAAB to me...could be wrong tho

[RJpielot]

This cleary isn't July 2007 as has already been pointed out as the K/M loop, or 28 hold, whatever you want to call it isn't there.

It also isn't "Flyer 63Z" as that's a British Airways CityFlyer callsign and they only fly RJ100's, not props.

This is most likely a Scotair, now Air Chance CityJet, 328. But nice video of the LCY!

[flyxa]

It´s for sure no D328 cokcpit - I´ve been in them far to often - my guess is a Saab 340 or 2000...

[yannickez]

if you land from the other side you have a better view on the city

[PRICEJAMES]

Ilove London City Airport and if you book well in advance flights are just as cheap from Heathrow or Stanstead.

[atenco01]

Sounds like a propeller driven plane...What kind?

[Jimbofilms]

How can this be July 9, 2007 the new holding point at the end of 28 hasnt been built? Great vid tho