La minutul 1.10 muzica e extraordinara..... asi vrea s-o am pe CD.... nu inteleg turca deloc, dar asa ma uit la serial.... acum cu cine se lupta ?Cu kirghizii, cazahii, cecenii, uigurii?
@habib172 aptal...turk erkekler kime sevmiyo???? onlari icin ne rus ne capon hic fark etmez...ruslar kadinlar sana ne yamis??? senin tarafta bakmiyorlar acaba)))))))
@azrausa Dinciler dini suistimal edenlerdir. Padisahlar dini suistimal ediyordu. Osmanli Imparatorlugunu Türkler kurdu ama melezler, devsirmeler yönetti. Padisahlarin çogu melezdi.
@NihaIAtsiz O sizin fikriniz..Gercekleri degistirmez ?Gercekleri okuyun bence .On yargisiz bir bilim adami gibi islam dusmani olabilirsiniz ama gercekcide olmalisiniz..
i wish you could translate this ! i saw the first season but want to c the second if only i could find translation plz help ! so excited to watch the 2nd season
Kesinlikle seyredilmemesi gereken sapik bir dizi..Osmanli Imparatorlugu 600 sene Adaletli Hukum surdu dizide oldugu gibi dedi kodu yapan kadin pesinde kosan Padisah larlami yapti...Bu tamamen osmanli dusmanli yapilan bir dizi. Bu dizide yabanci kadinlari namuslu,durust osmanli kadinlarini dedi koducu zina yapan insanlar olarak gosteriliyor ..Insaf ya bu kadar ahlaksizlik olmazki
@azrausa osmanlı kadınları dediğin farklı ülkelerden getirilmiş kadınlardır zaten. Hiçbiri türk değil nihayetinde.... Ve evet eğer gerçekten tarihi okursan yada en azından istanbulda rehber eşliğinde bi harem ziyareti yaparsan burdaki olaylardan daha kötü sözler duyacaksın... O övündüğünüz osmanlı burda gördüğünüzden çok daha canavardı... Şimdilik reytingler düşmesin diye böle gösteriyorlar.
@azrausa Hayır sadece tarihi yabancı kaynaklar ile iyi biliyor ve olaylara objektif bakabiliyorum. O türkiye'de öğrendiğiniz şöyle fetih yaptık böyle fetih yaptık diye övünülen osmanlı tarihi bir çok katliamlara soykırımlara neden olmuştur. Hepsinin kanıtı aslında türk kaynaklarında da vardır. Fakat bunları ilköğretim ve lisedeki çocuklara kendi atalarından nefret etmesinler diye söylemedikleri için böyle sizin gibi yorum yapanlar çıkabiliyor.
@zadeizm Tam tersini soyluyorsun ..Bize Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde Osmanli hep kotu gosterdiler Ders kitaplarinda '' ATATURK kurtarici Ataturk geldi medeniyet getirdi'' Okul sinifarinda posterler vardi Carsafli iki hanim onunde uzun sakalli cubbeli cirkin bir adam ...Sonra Ataturk un meshur posteri yakisikli guzel giyimli heybetli.Her gun eve aglayarak giderdim atam olmus diye.Amerikada ogrendim gercek Osman li tarihini.Hangi tarafsizlikdan bahsediyorsun?
@zadeizm Osmanlinin cokusunden sonra egitim ve Yargi Alevi lerin elindeydi..Bize Canlari istedigi seyleri ogrettiler..Ama simdi her sey ortaya cikiyor ..Tutunduklari dalda kiriliyor kime sarilacaklar merak ediyorum.Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde tutunabilmek icin Ataturk u kullanip vatan millet sakarya dediler yandas kazanmak icin ama her sey ortaya cikiyor.
@zadeizm Sunuda soylemek istiyorum ..Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde Din,Dil,Inanis,Kultur,Ifade ozgurlugu Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde yasayan her kesin ANAYASAL HAKKI OLMALI..Kimsenin inancina,kulture karsi degilim .'Aleviler 'derken Ama her kes Turkiye Cumhuriyetinin birlik,beraberlik,ve butunlugu icin hem fikir olmak zorunda..Yalan yanlis uydurma hikayelerle milleti oyladilar bugune kadar.Ama her sey ortaya cikiyor..
@azrausa balkanlarda ki din soykırımı neticesinde nam-ı değer Gâvurlara yaptıklarını söylememe bile gerek yok. Osmanlı güç kaybedince Makedonya'da, Bulgaristan'da 400 yıllık nefretlerini kustuklarını bizim gibi oralara Türkleştirme ve Müslümanlaştırma politikaları gereğince Karamanbeyliğinden zorla sürülmüş türkmenler biliyoruz.Hatta uzağa gitmeye gerek yok anadoluda şöyle bir Yavuz Sultan Selim tarihine bak kaç alevi boğazlanmış bi bak bakalım? Balkanlarda ki gâvurlar için kayıt bile tutulmamış
bizim tarihimizi zedelemek isteyen oryantalistlerin bilgilerini alip tarihimizi tanidiklarini saniyolar yaa yazik... iste avrupali oryantalistlerin istedikleri de buydu. kimsenin bilmedigi harem hayatiyla ilgili hikayeler uydurdular, bunlara biraz uydurma kaynak da kattilar sonra da yine bizlere sundular "yerseniz!"... biz ne yapdik - yedik.
can i find this series with english sub??? please help i love watching this series but the web site i wacth it at they are too slow with uploding with sub..... please help me.... thank you in advance...
@yayakoky1 hii again sorry for the delay i was away nd just came back:) the episodes are on YAHALA part of the OSN network and its translated as Hareem Alsultan which is very silly i agree with you totaly, they are still in season one. by the way i was wondering if you can help me understand the dialogue between Hurrem and the Walida Sultana in episode 33 when Hurrem dashed in the room without an excuse and also what did the walida order as a punishment to Hurrem????
@hpulker Dizide Hatiçe Sultan'i kötü gösteriyorlar ki ilerde Hürrem'in yapacaklari kötülükler insanlara hos gelsin. Mesela tarihde Ibharim Pasa asla Hürrem'in eski sevgilisini öldürtmemistir. Dizide Ibrahim Pasa'yi kötü gösteriyorlar ki ilerde Hürrem yüzünden kellesi alinacagi zaman izleyiciler Hürrem intikamini aliyor deyip Hürrem'in ne kadar asagilik bir yaratik oldugunu anlamasinlar. Muhtesem Yüzyil dizisinde tarihi gerçekler oldugu kadar uydurma sahneler de var.
yaklaşık 4 aydır türkçe dersi alıyor ders alarak öğrendiklerini bilinç altında öğreniyor fakat bide bilinç altında olmadan öğrenme vardır beynimiz sürekli aynı şeyleri duyduğu için şifresini çözer bebeklikten bilirsen kendi dilimizi öyle öğreniriz ikisini birleştir süper türkçe :D
Now I feel that is undertaken by another and unfortunately without success.We were looking forward to watch Halit in science with passion,but nothing happen. I DO NOT dislike Isabella,.I LOVE Hurrem but it can not be monitored 4 consecutive episodes without case. I liked this whole game but it could be finished in 1-2 ep. I think that for some reason they put the princess in scenario, but enough! They must finally wake up. The only one who saves the situation is Halit, but for how long?
I have a website in fb for Halit ,we are about 2.000 members who love him as an actor, as a person, as a male!!! we are watcing ''Muhtesem Yuzyil'' live and we are very dissatisfied.They made it !They downloaded the audience below 40! BRAVO!! They have the wildcard in treir hands and they go to burn him!This can not be happening.I suspect that this started from Meral's Okay disease,we had become accustomed to very rapid complicated scenario and we stranded at each episode.
@yayakoky1 hii again just to let u know that that the arabic version has started on the OSN (YAHALA chanel) episodes so far at 10 oclock mecca time. enjoy :)
benim anlamadigim..: sultan süleyman 1495-1566 yasadiysa .. Isabellada 1451-1504 yasadiysa tüm bunlar nasil oluyor. ?yani isabella öldügünde sultan süleyman sadece 9 yasinda ? ben sahsen anlam veremedimm..# yani bu diziyi neden böyle yapiyorlar .. bilgisi olan varsa söylesin lütfen..
@15nady dizi baslamadan bu dizi tarihten eslinlerek yazilmisdir gibi birsey yaziyor yani dizide gösterilen hersey osmanli tarihiyle bir degil .arasdirinca dizinin kurgusu büyük bir sacmalik ama yinede izleniyor
@15nady bide, isabella'yi kacirmak biraz sIkardi ozamanlar, ister Osmanli olsun ister baskasi, ve kocasi vardi Ferdinand, nisanlisi degil. Bu dizi iyice sacmaladi. Tarih eseri yaratmak istiyorsan, isini dogru durust yap, bu ne boyle. Turkiye'de hic mi Tarih professor'u yok? Sanat eseri dersen, Tarih'le alakasi yok dersen, tamam ona sozumuz olmaz, ama ozamanda isimleri degistirinki millet tarih dizi'si olarak izlemesin
@yayakoky1 This is the great challenge with understanding history. No matter how hard we try to accept the worldview of those people in the past, we still end up looking at the world through of lense of our modern mentality, morality and educated understanding of religion. In some sense, we need to look at the past like we do science fiction novels....not judging it according to our ideas about what is possible or logical.
@yayakoky1 Hopefully, we will move beyond this silly Isabella plot and get to some interesting historical things, like, as you said, Mustafa. I hope there is more than just about Hurrem's intrigues and his execution.
@yayakoky1 This is all fascinating and I am learning alot! That you. I think that Suleyman was the "law-giver" for his development of administrative regulations to use across the huge and diverse empire when he kept adding provinces by conquest quickly. Before that, there may have been a variety of confusing traditions used in different places. There was also the question of regularizing of revenue collection for the empire to function.
@TheThorne1 Please do not base your historical knowledge of Suleyman or Turkish history on this series. It has highly contentious and outrageously inaccurate information. It should be viewed purely for entertainment purposes.
@MsNala77 I do not base my knowledge of Suleyman or history on this or any other work of fiction. The writers say clearly that this is fiction, weaving incidents and people from history with own imaginations. The problem today is that youth everywhere do not read either history or great literature very much, and tend to believe what they see on TV or film as real. That is why it is important to separate what we we see is correct from the writers' imaginations.
@MsNala77 My position is that there is so much that is exciting and would make good drama and so many fascinating characters that were part of that story in the real history, that it was unneccesary to create characters like Leo and Isabella and ignore the interesting things about people like Alvise Gritti. Matrakci's famous art work is ignored, he appears only as a "buddy" of Ibrahim. Why are the harem eunuchs portrayed as white, not African? They treat Ibrahim's being Greek as unusual.
@TheThorne1 In fact, most of the men in the palace were not Turkis, but were either captives or taken from Christian villages within the Empire to be janissaries or government officials. They were converted, given the best education and could rise to the highest positions in the land. Many talented captives stayed rather than be ransomed by their families and became very powerful. They also used their connections to help with European diplomacy.
@MsNala77 In fact, most of the men in the palace were not Turkis, but were either captives or taken from Christian villages within the Empire to be janissaries or government officials. They were converted, given the best education and could rise to the highest positions in the land. Many talented captives stayed rather than be ransomed by their families and became very powerful. They also used their connections to help with European diplomacy.
@MsNala77 My final criticism of the serial's accuracy is that while they put in all the main battles, they ignore Suleyman's political relations with the varying European states. He saw the Hapsburgs, both Austrian and Spanish as enemies, but allied himself with France and many other states, especially Protestants, whom he preferred to Catholics and the Vatican. Up until the 19th century, the Ottomans were part of the every shifting set of European alliances.
@MsNala77 To conclude, my criticism is not that I think they should have put History more accurately, but that some of the imaginary events and people could be believed by those watching the program. It is fine to create, for drama's sake the characters of their servants, for instance, or having the men and women interact more closely than they did, or ignoring the high level of protocol, but to totally change the course of events is bad for the general public.
@TheThorne1 Agreed. It is disheartening to say the very least that most people watching this series, believes the princess Isabella depicted is none other than the great Isabel the First of Castile, otherwise known as Isabel la Catolica.
Like you, i do not believe the addition of this character is necessary for the development of the series, if anything it has made me look at how ridiculous it is.
@TheThorne1 Not only was she dead when Suleyman came to power, but the mere thought that anyone could kidnap her in the first place is sheer naivety, Ottoman or not.
Creating entertainment is one thing, but actually misusing history to this degree is something else.
The whole Isabel issue is only one of many additions to the story that have discredited the series.
@TheThorne1 and lastly I am disappointed purely from a historical point of view and watch it purely for the costuming (which again is inaccurate) and for entertainment value.
Sure, there are many movies that made with horrendous historical inaccuracies and this series by far not the worst. For some reason however, i thought Turks creating a series based on their own history would take far greater care with the story-line, than is apparent in what we have been watching.
@MsNala77 Ugh!!The costumes!! With all the money they spend, why use the European costumes of the period for the women. Daiya Hatoun's headpiece is distinctly British. There are so many paintings and miniatures and works in museums. Also, from reading about her, it is clear Hurrem was much too intelligent to act silly like in the series. She must have been incredibly mature at a young age to figure out the social system when she arrived and made it work for her.
@MsNala77 Why was there a big fuss in the Turkish press about this series? A few years ago, a series "Hurrem Sultan" had the same sexual and harem scenes, etc. There is a new "Ottoman" serial coming, "Burasi Osmanli 1711" From the trailers it seems worse. They show the war with Russia but the enemy wear British uniforms from that time. And why a serial would focus on a war in which the Ottomans made a terrible strategic mistake and a sultan that was thrown out by an uprising?
@MsNala77 The Ottomans were winning the battle against the Russians, who began to retreat. Instead of followiing them and destroying their arms and capturing their soldiers, the Grand Vizier who was running the war let them escape and sue for peace. The Russians had to give back territories in the peace treaty, but they still had their army intact and continued to harass and take from the Ottomans right up to their revolution during WWI. This period was good for tulips, but not for the Empire!
@TheThorne1 I have no idea why there was such a furore in the press. Some political issue no doubt. I find the religious factions in Turkey and abroad tiresome. The whole Religion Vs Ataturk debate was stale 50 years ago, now days, it just seems a joke to even discuss it.
The costuming is a mix of Ottoman and European. Daiye Hatun's headpiece i thought resembled the Russian Kokoshnik more so than any English headpiece, but you could be right,
@TheThorne1 the Turks keep going on about the "secret history" of the Ottoman empire, well as a historian i find the whole idea ludicrous. Also, i have yet to hear a comprehensive account of what this secret history contains. If it contains tales of corruption, wanton sexuality, excesses of the body and mind, drugs, alcohol etc, well that is hardly news and the Ottomans are hardly the only ones to engage in such activities.
@TheThorne1 they credit Hurrem with toppling the empire. Bit much don't you think??? On the one hand Suleyman is this larger than life, god like figure in Turkish history; he is intelligent beyond reckoning, he is just, he is this, he is that- and yet he falls prey to the wiles of a woman?? makes zero sense. i could go on and on but i will stop :-)
@MsNala77 History, mythology and literature all confirm that even great men have at least one fatal weakness and it is often a woman and can cause the man to do something very stupid. Hurrem was one of many who influenced the fate of the Ottomans and Suleiman one of the decision-makers who caused the longevity as well as the eventual collapse. His choices produced very important "what if's" regarding that history. What if the brilliant Mustafa, not the drunken Selim, became the next Sultan?
@TheThorne1 I understand where you are coming from, i still maintain however that Hurrem is not and never was the sole reason the empire crumbled. Suleyman did have a soft spot for her granted, she was his wife! but a succession of rulers after Suleyman did as much, if not more damage to the empire then Hurrem. What we see here is a classical case of blaming the woman, using her as a scape goat to explain or comprehend the actions of male monarchs.
@TheThorne1 We cannot blame Hurrem for the execution of Mustafa. Suleyman ordered it, not Hurrem. She dabbled in politics, intrigue and on some occasions poisoned people, but she was not the first or the last to do so. His choices as you put it, were just that HIS choices based on whatever advice he may have received from Hurrem and many other individuals close to him at the time. As for Ibrahim, one of the main reasons his execution was ordered was because he proclaimed himself Sultan
@MsNala77 No one could blame just Hurrem for Mustafa's killing and yes, his father chose to do it. Rustum Pasha, then grand vizier and his wife, Hurrem's daughter Mihrimah contributed. I'm sure Mustafa made lots of his own enemies. Ibrahim did not take the title of "Sultan" during the Persian campaign, but added the word Sultan following a title already give to him by Suleyman "Serasker." but he clearly didn't understand how impudent or presumptuous that sounded and it aided his enemies.
@TheThorne1 yet, Hurrem is blamed for his demise also. Interestingly all the intrigues done against Hurrem by Ibrahim and various others are not mentioned. I just think that if we are to properly analyse historical events, we must do so objectively with whatever sources that are at our disposal. Blaming the wife of male monarchs for the demise of empires is something history is steeped in. One need only look at Marie Antoinette and Alexandra Feodorovna to realise this and discredit the idea
@yayakoky1 thank you so much for the translation, i realy wish suleman would fall in love with isabella so that hurem would burn in her jealosy :) i was reading your conversation on history which i found very useful also and im surprised to know that mahidevran was not his wife but also a jaria ?? and that hurem was his legal wife? can u clarify please? thank you
people need to understand that this tv show is not in line with history just as the credits state these are products of a writers imagination, there are portions that are true yet Suleyman the magnificent wasn't a womaniser now was he power hungry all those parts are to make this show get more ratings. it is fiction
@yayakoky1 It seems that slavery was meant as a temporary after the beginning of Islam but lasted longer and the qadhis and religious experts across the centuries made comments about it and cases in the courts are plentiful in these countries, especially regarding the rights of slaves. Just one example: In old Egyptian records, you read that a jaaria went to court to demand her right to live with her child though the wife of the man did not want her there and the Qadhi protected her right.
It might come to MBC but hard for the same reasons that made many Turkish were angry and wanted to stop it. How can the great Muslim leader behave in such a way, breaking religious traditions even if it is true? Re history, many people confuse "what people did" with "what they should have done" and say that this and that did not happen because it was not supposed to happen. There would so many more scenes to cut.
Taking Mustafa's property was the custom when an official, even in the family, is executed. Suleyman took the property of Ibrahim, even though the wife was his own sister! We can't judge this by modern values. BUT.......it WAS Suleyman's responsibility to take care of the mother of his child for the rest of her life, no matter what happens to the child. He was just cruel to her.
@yayakoky1 See my comments on the top of the page re slavery/women . Circassians=Cherkess [there are Cherkess in Jordan and Syria] and Georgian means the people from that country that is near Turkey, Russia and Armenia. They had a fight with Russia a few years ago.
Concubines "jawaari" did start in Islam that way but evolved over time until into the 20th century with religious approval. It was part of a larger system of slavery in many Muslim areas that included blacks and whites. The laws that protected slaves, including jawaari, were firm, not like the way that slaves could be treated in the Christian world or elsewhere. In America, a slave woman forced to have a child by her owner and the child became a slave like her!
@yayakoky1 Afghanistan has one or more private TVs, one is Tolo that shows this serial. They even now make their own TV shows and dramas in Afghanistan. These serials were, in Arabic version and on MBC and maybe other channels also. First is "AlAjniha alMunqasira" [Broken Wings] about the fight against the Greek invasion and the second is "al Hub wal Harb" [The Black Serpent] about the French seige of Ayntab.
@yayakoky1 Even if Mahidevran was from such a family she could still be taken or given for the harem. It was not a dishonor, it was connection to the Sultan's household and the children might be very powerful. This system continued into the 20th century, when poor Circassian and Georgian Muslim families gave their daughters to the palace in hopes of a better life. Even in the 20th c, most women were not "wives." Hurrem's marriage already happened in the serial after Mehmet was born.
isabella in my opinion has made the events more intreging, its interesting to sea new events and new herem coming in ,we got tierd from the eveil hurem and the poor mahidevra, lets see hurem burn in her jealousy for a change:)
@yayakoky1 Exactly "Ma Malakat Aymanekom" is the basis. The Ottomans adopted the system for the same reason that the Abbasids did after a couple of generations as having a wife in the family who represents the interests of another perhaps powerful family compromises the total power of the ruler and loyalty of the sons. In the beginning, each started with wives as a way to seal good relations with other tribes or regional powers but after they were supreme, this lost its value and was trouble.
@yayakoky1 Before slavery was ended, a concubine was the legal property of the master. He could do what he wanted with her. The status of a son by a slave woman was determined by recognition by the father, not marriage. This was accepted in Islam. It is different from having a lover now which is adultery. Mahidevran was not a legal wife but the mother of a Sultan's son had special status. That is why Mahidevran was insulted when Suleyman did the rare thing and "legally" married Hurrem.
@yayakoky1 I am watching Fatmagul'un Sucu Ne on site with Arabic subtitles. I also watch on Arab TV: Sila, Ask ve Ceza, and Ezel. My favorites have been historical: Kirik Kanatlar and Kara Yilan. I learned a lot about the Turkish War of Independence from them. Ask-i Memnu is going around the world. Imagine, it is even playing on TV in Afghanistan!
@yayakoky1 History and contemporary life all point to important men who were influenced in their political, work and financial affairs by powerful women in their lives: wives, lovers or mothers. It is for that reason that the literatures around the world are full of such stories. Also, remember that the decisions Suleyman made were not only supported by Hurrem, but by men at the palace like Rustem and those who were jealous of Ibrahim's power.
@mmsaleemshah Are you saying that the life of the Sultan and the social system of the palace were not like this or that it should not be shown on TV? Yes, there is fiction, Isabella, Leo, etc., but the basics are true. Suleyman's poem says that the lips of his beloved were more delicious than wine. The harem women were slaves and he could do what he wanted with any of them. We cannot change the facts to support morality or Suleyman "should have" acted as a good Muslim.
muhtesem yuzyil yetersiz sadece sarayda olup biteni goruyoruz ve savas alaninda sanki savas etmiyorlar dusmani gormuyoruz zaten ortada bir prens prenses papaz ve griti bunlarin kral kraliceleri yokmu dizi de cok eksik var ve amerikalilar kendi kahramanlarini rambo yapar bizse kadinlara duskun yapariz cok yanli
@yayakoky1 They are good at comedy but it distorts history and biology. Being a eunuch [a man who is castrated] which they did to boys or men to work in the harem or closeby does not make them effeminate. They do not act like women or homosexual. Also, harem eunuchs were black and a more drastic surgery. If they castrate a young boy his physical growth stops or slows. His voice stays high and sometimes he gets fat. The church did it to have girl voices in choirs.
Bu dizi gun gectikce daha da boktan olmaya basladi. Resmen koca bir bosluk hicbirsey yok icinde. Bu taylan biraderler denen salaklar ozel efektlerin disinda hicbir boktan anlamiyolar.
Isabella is in love with Suleyman, experiencing typical stockholm syndrome. She is also extremely attracted by his row, 'barbarian' sexuality. She will be seduced, romanced and left in self-torturing hurt brake, regret, and shame. She threw herself into his arms and later she would have to deal with her catholic conscience and the consequences of her 'sinful' act. She can't help feeling love and passion for Suleyman. It is obvious she will get the necklace he is making after halet.
Something tells me that Isabella will have halvet with Suleyman. He is toying with her, playing seductive game, romancing her into relationship based on mostly political interests. He sees her as a political pawn but she is also a beautiful woman who intrigues him and phisically attracts him (have you noticed how similar personality Izzy and Hurrem have -j rebellious, courageous personality that attracts Suleyman, bored by submissive, obeying women, trained to please him).
@MrAlonesoldier It is clearly stated at the beginning of each episode (bolum) that it was inspired by history, not made by following strict historical facts. There are no lies, there is only artistic liberty and imagination of the scriptwriter - Ms Meral Okay. Maybe you can try to grasp the difference between historical documentary and period drama based on certain historical facts and characters.
@yayakoky1 A different mentality back then. Suleyman thought he was doing all this, even killing his sons, for the good of the Empire. He was being blind to the schemes of Hurrem. None of these other killings would have happened if he had not killed Ibrahim. Hurrem was smart and lived by "survival of the fitest." If she had not seduced Suleyman, she might have spent her life scrubbing floors in the harem. If Mustafa had lived and taken over from his father, her sons would likely be killed.
@yayakoky1 Suleyman was VERY mean to Mahidevran even after he killed her son. He took all Mustafa's property and left Mahidevran with no support. Kind people who loved her son took care of her until Suleyman died. Then actually, Sultan Selim II was nice to her so she lived in comfort til she died.
@yayakoky1 I didn't know the story of Cihangir, but what you say sounds so sad. I also believe he was physically deformed or weak and ill. I remember reading somewhere that he joked that no one will kill him fighting over becoming the Sultan.
@yayakoky1 I don't know about Shahzade [Prince] Mahmud. If he was born in 1511, Suleyman would have been 17. Not impossible since they gave concubines when the boys started wanting them but he would have still been alive when Suleyman became Sultan but we only hear about Mustafa from Mahidevran in history. Suleyman was about 21 when Mustafa was born in 1515.
Hurrem's first son was Mehmet. He would have been born around 1521, a year after his mother arrived. He died in 1543 of illness.
@yayakoky1 This is, I believe, what means in English the Janisarriy Corps, the slave army. They, like the officials at the palace were taken from Christian villages as children and educated especially. They become very powerful and were finally killed or removed in the 1830s and replaced by a modern European-type army. Hurrem died in 1558, Suleyman in 1566. 1559: Beyazid and Selim had provinces but were fighting. Suleyman trusted Selim. Cihangir died before this fight, I don't know how.
@yayakoky1 It is one thing to invent characters like Isabella and Victoria and silly stories of personal lives, but it is wrong to change actual history because people especially school children might believe the mistakes. The Yeniceriler did not begin to make real revolts until later in history. Under Selim II they started making big noise about wanting more money. He was afraid and gave it to them, so they started to extort money and other things and later sultans were also scared.
@yayakoky1 The story is worse. After Hurrem died, he decided taht his son Beyazid from Hurrem was plotting against him and had him and his sons all killed. Again, Beyazid was a good governor and warrior. Cihangir was already dead, so that left Selim to follow his father. And yes, many brilliant men can be manipulated by intelligent women who build up their egos.
@yayakoky1 In some periods only one son, in other times more because the problem with one son was that it meant he might die young and a sultan's brother followed or a nephew. Kosem sultan...maypeker was the concubine then wife of sultan ahmet...he died young and she ruled for her sons and then tried to do so again for her grandson but was killed instead. she also arranged killing of her own son. Hurrem plotted against Mustafa with Rustem Pasa the grand vazier and daughter Mihrimah's husband.
haremi hurrem yoneticek
Gulcan1956 2 days ago
bende
Gulcan1956 2 days ago
neye benziyor shu prenses yaaa olu gibi)))
aytan44 2 days ago
What is the name of the song in 1:09:54 who knows ??
Vigan24 3 days ago
What is the name of the song in 1:09:54 who knows ??
Vigan24 3 days ago
Helal olsun Sultan Süleymana ((Hünkarim))
Kurdish1023 1 week ago
COK GUZEL KINO HURREM COK AZAZIL BIR
fizulihacker 1 week ago
Cine le da voie la turci sa foloseasca copiii in seriale? Nu e exploatare?
iulikutsa 1 week ago
La minutul 1.10 muzica e extraordinara..... asi vrea s-o am pe CD.... nu inteleg turca deloc, dar asa ma uit la serial.... acum cu cine se lupta ?Cu kirghizii, cazahii, cecenii, uigurii?
iulikutsa 1 week ago
Hurremden nefret ediyorum....Ruslari hic sevemem
Anlayamiyorum....neden turk erkekleri rus kadinlarini seviyorlar?
habib172 2 weeks ago 2
@habib172 aptal...turk erkekler kime sevmiyo???? onlari icin ne rus ne capon hic fark etmez...ruslar kadinlar sana ne yamis??? senin tarafta bakmiyorlar acaba)))))))
cerf515 16 hours ago
Hurrem loves penis!!
jeykell 2 weeks ago
@jeykell agreed. she was a whore and will ever be known as such!
TheEziet 2 weeks ago
meryem cok iyi oynuyor.. icim gitti onu öyle görünce :(
77derya77 3 weeks ago 3
osmanli böyle dgildi sultan dogru dürüst türkce konusamiyor
hoyanlar 3 weeks ago
@hoyanlar
nerden biliosun? osmanli zamanini yasadinmi?
ayrica sultan tabikide dogru durust turkce konusamaz cunku hurrem sultan turk degildi
AtillaCetin1 2 weeks ago
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TuerkiShDream67 3 weeks ago
mahidevrandan nefret ediyorum.
miinerose 3 weeks ago 7
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Hürrem, Sultan Süleyman'in gücüne asikti. Hürrem, Sehzade Mustafa'nin sahte mektuplarla iftiraya ugrayip Sultan Süleyman'a bogdurtmustur. Bu yetmemis Mustafa'nin 5 yasindaki oglunu da bogdurtmustur. Cariyelerin bile emekli maasi varken Mahidevran Sultan'in maasinin kesilmesini saglamistir. Hürremin oglu Selim, Mahidevran'a maas baglatmak için Hürremin gebermesini beklemistir. Valide öldükten sonra, 40li yaslarda olan Hürrem, sarayda Süleyman'dan hamile kalan bir cariyeyi öldürmüstür.
NihaIAtsiz 4 weeks ago
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Hürrem, Sultan Süleyman'in gücüne asikti. Hürrem, Sehzade Mustafa'nin sahte mektuplarla iftiraya ugrayip Sultan Süleyman'a bogdurtmustur. Bu yetmemis Mustafa'nin 5 yasindaki oglunu da bogdurtmustur. Cariyelerin bile emekli maasi varken Mahidevran Sultan'in maasinin kesilmesini saglamistir. Hürremin oglu Selim, Mahidevran'a maas baglatmak için Hürremin gebermesini beklemistir. Valide öldükten sonra, 40li yaslarda olan Hürrem, sarayda Süleyman'dan hamile kalan bir cariyeyi öldürmüstür.
NihaIAtsiz 4 weeks ago
ay hatice sultan ne kadar pislik olmussun... evlilik yaramamis, mahidevran sultani gecmissin. ibrahim sende ne kadar salaksin öl git ya
SweetTurkishStyle 4 weeks ago
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NihaIAtsiz 1 month ago
Dincilerin kizdigi harem sahnelerine gelince, dizide az bile göstermisler.
NihaIAtsiz 1 month ago
@NihaIAtsiz Dinciler derken ? Osmanli Imparatorlugu gercegi var bunu her kes kafasina giremi yaziyor?
azrausa 4 weeks ago
@azrausa Dinciler dini suistimal edenlerdir. Padisahlar dini suistimal ediyordu. Osmanli Imparatorlugunu Türkler kurdu ama melezler, devsirmeler yönetti. Padisahlarin çogu melezdi.
NihaIAtsiz 4 weeks ago
@NihaIAtsiz O sizin fikriniz..Gercekleri degistirmez ?Gercekleri okuyun bence .On yargisiz bir bilim adami gibi islam dusmani olabilirsiniz ama gercekcide olmalisiniz..
azrausa 4 weeks ago
@azrausa Benim yazdiklarim Osmanli arsivlerinden alinmadir.
NihaIAtsiz 4 weeks ago
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NihaIAtsiz 1 month ago
Oh how i hate this hadija and ibrahim couple.. they r sooo annoying
SogindiM 1 month ago
Hatice sultan da qudurdu.. :/
SHATENKA474 1 month ago
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TuerkiShDream67 1 month ago
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you can watch this arabic and eng sub in namouchigroubone .blogspot
DarkEye40 1 month ago
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Ask olsun yaaa... Simdi burada Azeri-Turk kavgasi edeceksiniz????? Yapmayin !!! LUTVEN !!! Dusmanlarimizi sevindirmeyin
ALIYEVA23 1 month ago
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OyaLale 1 month ago
i wish you could translate this ! i saw the first season but want to c the second if only i could find translation plz help ! so excited to watch the 2nd season
MsEmm22 1 month ago
Sen Alevi misin?
azrausa 2 months ago
WOw i wish someone would put english subtitles This is an awesome Show!
myalisa78 2 months ago
Kesinlikle seyredilmemesi gereken sapik bir dizi..Osmanli Imparatorlugu 600 sene Adaletli Hukum surdu dizide oldugu gibi dedi kodu yapan kadin pesinde kosan Padisah larlami yapti...Bu tamamen osmanli dusmanli yapilan bir dizi. Bu dizide yabanci kadinlari namuslu,durust osmanli kadinlarini dedi koducu zina yapan insanlar olarak gosteriliyor ..Insaf ya bu kadar ahlaksizlik olmazki
azrausa 3 months ago
@azrausa osmanlı kadınları dediğin farklı ülkelerden getirilmiş kadınlardır zaten. Hiçbiri türk değil nihayetinde.... Ve evet eğer gerçekten tarihi okursan yada en azından istanbulda rehber eşliğinde bi harem ziyareti yaparsan burdaki olaylardan daha kötü sözler duyacaksın... O övündüğünüz osmanlı burda gördüğünüzden çok daha canavardı... Şimdilik reytingler düşmesin diye böle gösteriyorlar.
zadeizm 2 months ago
@zadeizm Sen de bir osmanli dusmani olarak bunlara inaniyorsun ? Kesin Nusayri veya Alevisin ..600 yil bu sekildemi yonetildi?
azrausa 2 months ago
@azrausa Hayır sadece tarihi yabancı kaynaklar ile iyi biliyor ve olaylara objektif bakabiliyorum. O türkiye'de öğrendiğiniz şöyle fetih yaptık böyle fetih yaptık diye övünülen osmanlı tarihi bir çok katliamlara soykırımlara neden olmuştur. Hepsinin kanıtı aslında türk kaynaklarında da vardır. Fakat bunları ilköğretim ve lisedeki çocuklara kendi atalarından nefret etmesinler diye söylemedikleri için böyle sizin gibi yorum yapanlar çıkabiliyor.
zadeizm 2 months ago 2
@zadeizm Tam tersini soyluyorsun ..Bize Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde Osmanli hep kotu gosterdiler Ders kitaplarinda '' ATATURK kurtarici Ataturk geldi medeniyet getirdi'' Okul sinifarinda posterler vardi Carsafli iki hanim onunde uzun sakalli cubbeli cirkin bir adam ...Sonra Ataturk un meshur posteri yakisikli guzel giyimli heybetli.Her gun eve aglayarak giderdim atam olmus diye.Amerikada ogrendim gercek Osman li tarihini.Hangi tarafsizlikdan bahsediyorsun?
azrausa 2 months ago
@zadeizm Osmanlinin cokusunden sonra egitim ve Yargi Alevi lerin elindeydi..Bize Canlari istedigi seyleri ogrettiler..Ama simdi her sey ortaya cikiyor ..Tutunduklari dalda kiriliyor kime sarilacaklar merak ediyorum.Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde tutunabilmek icin Ataturk u kullanip vatan millet sakarya dediler yandas kazanmak icin ama her sey ortaya cikiyor.
azrausa 2 months ago
@zadeizm Sunuda soylemek istiyorum ..Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde Din,Dil,Inanis,Kultur,Ifade ozgurlugu Turkiye Cumhuriyetinde yasayan her kesin ANAYASAL HAKKI OLMALI..Kimsenin inancina,kulture karsi degilim .'Aleviler 'derken Ama her kes Turkiye Cumhuriyetinin birlik,beraberlik,ve butunlugu icin hem fikir olmak zorunda..Yalan yanlis uydurma hikayelerle milleti oyladilar bugune kadar.Ama her sey ortaya cikiyor..
azrausa 2 months ago
@zadeizm Osmanli Nasil bir ''Katliam ve zulum yapmis'' Mesala ? Ornek ver
azrausa 2 months ago
@azrausa balkanlarda ki din soykırımı neticesinde nam-ı değer Gâvurlara yaptıklarını söylememe bile gerek yok. Osmanlı güç kaybedince Makedonya'da, Bulgaristan'da 400 yıllık nefretlerini kustuklarını bizim gibi oralara Türkleştirme ve Müslümanlaştırma politikaları gereğince Karamanbeyliğinden zorla sürülmüş türkmenler biliyoruz.Hatta uzağa gitmeye gerek yok anadoluda şöyle bir Yavuz Sultan Selim tarihine bak kaç alevi boğazlanmış bi bak bakalım? Balkanlarda ki gâvurlar için kayıt bile tutulmamış
zadeizm 2 months ago
@azrausa ben Azeriyim. ve derim ki, Sultan Suleyman Safivilere (Azerbaycanlilara) hucum temisdi.
Azazel9259 2 months ago
@Azazel9259 A Isyanci nankor Alevileremi icinmi demis?
azrausa 2 months ago
@azrausa anlamadim cumleni? ne?
Azazel9259 2 months ago
@Azazel9259 Isyanci Aleviler icinmi demis ''hucum ''diye ?
azrausa 2 months ago
@azrausa yalnislik oldu benim onceki cumlemde. yani Sultan Suleyman hucum etmisdi yazacaktim
Azazel9259 2 months ago
@Azazel9259 Sonuc ne demek istiyorsun ? Onu anlamiyorum
azrausa 2 months ago
@azrausa yani sizler bizlerle hep kardes olmadiniz))
Azazel9259 2 months ago
@Azazel9259 Sizler kimsiniz?
azrausa 2 months ago
@azrausa bizler Azerbaycanlilar
Azazel9259 2 months ago
@azrausa cooookk haklisin kardesim agzina saglik :)
bizim tarihimizi zedelemek isteyen oryantalistlerin bilgilerini alip tarihimizi tanidiklarini saniyolar yaa yazik... iste avrupali oryantalistlerin istedikleri de buydu. kimsenin bilmedigi harem hayatiyla ilgili hikayeler uydurdular, bunlara biraz uydurma kaynak da kattilar sonra da yine bizlere sundular "yerseniz!"... biz ne yapdik - yedik.
biraz aklinizi mantiginizi kullanin...
1990Hatice 2 months ago
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SweetTurkishStyle 4 weeks ago
goresen bunlarin axiri nece olacaq. prensesin axiri nece olacaq.
MegaPRINCESSA1993 3 months ago
scheiss werbung ey sogar auf youtube werbung ich dreh durch :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
68IlkayMesut06 3 months ago
can i find this series with english sub??? please help i love watching this series but the web site i wacth it at they are too slow with uploding with sub..... please help me.... thank you in advance...
eldina4782 3 months ago
Hurem is a very bad person will she ever be discovered by the sultan or all her bad deeds will go un punished
TheSahora 3 months ago
@yayakoky1 hii again sorry for the delay i was away nd just came back:) the episodes are on YAHALA part of the OSN network and its translated as Hareem Alsultan which is very silly i agree with you totaly, they are still in season one. by the way i was wondering if you can help me understand the dialogue between Hurrem and the Walida Sultana in episode 33 when Hurrem dashed in the room without an excuse and also what did the walida order as a punishment to Hurrem????
TheSahora 3 months ago
hatice sultan artik iyice itici olmaya basladi, sinir ediyor tavirlariyla
hpulker 3 months ago 17
@hpulker Dizide Hatiçe Sultan'i kötü gösteriyorlar ki ilerde Hürrem'in yapacaklari kötülükler insanlara hos gelsin. Mesela tarihde Ibharim Pasa asla Hürrem'in eski sevgilisini öldürtmemistir. Dizide Ibrahim Pasa'yi kötü gösteriyorlar ki ilerde Hürrem yüzünden kellesi alinacagi zaman izleyiciler Hürrem intikamini aliyor deyip Hürrem'in ne kadar asagilik bir yaratik oldugunu anlamasinlar. Muhtesem Yüzyil dizisinde tarihi gerçekler oldugu kadar uydurma sahneler de var.
NihaIAtsiz 1 month ago
cox gozel bir sinema
Kulya189 4 months ago
isabelle 4 ayda turkceyi hurremden daha iyi konusuyorxD
hat1994ice 4 months ago
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yaklaşık 4 aydır türkçe dersi alıyor ders alarak öğrendiklerini bilinç altında öğreniyor fakat bide bilinç altında olmadan öğrenme vardır beynimiz sürekli aynı şeyleri duyduğu için şifresini çözer bebeklikten bilirsen kendi dilimizi öyle öğreniriz ikisini birleştir süper türkçe :D
UnknownKiller90 4 months ago
@hat1994ice ahah doğru valla güzel tespit
hami10 3 months ago
mahidevrani anlamakta zorluk cekiyorum, sanki suleyman tek hurreme ihanet ediyor
hat1994ice 4 months ago
hatice sultan çok kotu olmus yaa onceden co iyidi
hat1994ice 4 months ago
hatice sultan çok kotu olmus yaa onceden co iyide
hat1994ice 4 months ago 2
aaaj yerim yaaa malkocoglunuuu
hat1994ice 4 months ago
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Now I feel that is undertaken by another and unfortunately without success.We were looking forward to watch Halit in science with passion,but nothing happen. I DO NOT dislike Isabella,.I LOVE Hurrem but it can not be monitored 4 consecutive episodes without case. I liked this whole game but it could be finished in 1-2 ep. I think that for some reason they put the princess in scenario, but enough! They must finally wake up. The only one who saves the situation is Halit, but for how long?
andriakal 4 months ago
I have a website in fb for Halit ,we are about 2.000 members who love him as an actor, as a person, as a male!!! we are watcing ''Muhtesem Yuzyil'' live and we are very dissatisfied.They made it !They downloaded the audience below 40! BRAVO!! They have the wildcard in treir hands and they go to burn him!This can not be happening.I suspect that this started from Meral's Okay disease,we had become accustomed to very rapid complicated scenario and we stranded at each episode.
andriakal 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 hii again just to let u know that that the arabic version has started on the OSN (YAHALA chanel) episodes so far at 10 oclock mecca time. enjoy :)
TheSahora 4 months ago
MALKOCOGLU ! BURAAAAAK ÖZCIVIT ! YAKISIR AMA HAAA :D
einEngeeeel 4 months ago
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Dolunay2009 4 months ago
26 dakikadan sonra bir kishi elinde cep telefonuyla konuwuyor)))))) 15 asrda telfon diyil, cep telefonu bile yok idi:D
Elvin226 4 months ago
@Elvin226 o telefon degil zaten elini yumruk yapmis yüzüne yanasitrmis karsisindakiyle konusuyor iyi bakinca belli oluyor..
TheEdding781 4 months ago
sultan diyorki : benim ailemde kimsenin kani dokulmez, kimze allah tarafindan baska olmez, ama mustafa'yi kendi elleri ile oldurcek sultan.
okgelok 4 months ago
benim anlamadigim..: sultan süleyman 1495-1566 yasadiysa .. Isabellada 1451-1504 yasadiysa tüm bunlar nasil oluyor. ?yani isabella öldügünde sultan süleyman sadece 9 yasinda ? ben sahsen anlam veremedimm..# yani bu diziyi neden böyle yapiyorlar .. bilgisi olan varsa söylesin lütfen..
15nady 4 months ago
@15nady dizi baslamadan bu dizi tarihten eslinlerek yazilmisdir gibi birsey yaziyor yani dizide gösterilen hersey osmanli tarihiyle bir degil .arasdirinca dizinin kurgusu büyük bir sacmalik ama yinede izleniyor
deliyimn 3 months ago
@15nady bide, isabella'yi kacirmak biraz sIkardi ozamanlar, ister Osmanli olsun ister baskasi, ve kocasi vardi Ferdinand, nisanlisi degil. Bu dizi iyice sacmaladi. Tarih eseri yaratmak istiyorsan, isini dogru durust yap, bu ne boyle. Turkiye'de hic mi Tarih professor'u yok? Sanat eseri dersen, Tarih'le alakasi yok dersen, tamam ona sozumuz olmaz, ama ozamanda isimleri degistirinki millet tarih dizi'si olarak izlemesin
MsNala77 1 month ago
sarkiya bayiliyorummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
bayanyalnis 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 This is the great challenge with understanding history. No matter how hard we try to accept the worldview of those people in the past, we still end up looking at the world through of lense of our modern mentality, morality and educated understanding of religion. In some sense, we need to look at the past like we do science fiction novels....not judging it according to our ideas about what is possible or logical.
TheThorne1 4 months ago 8
@yayakoky1 Hopefully, we will move beyond this silly Isabella plot and get to some interesting historical things, like, as you said, Mustafa. I hope there is more than just about Hurrem's intrigues and his execution.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 This is all fascinating and I am learning alot! That you. I think that Suleyman was the "law-giver" for his development of administrative regulations to use across the huge and diverse empire when he kept adding provinces by conquest quickly. Before that, there may have been a variety of confusing traditions used in different places. There was also the question of regularizing of revenue collection for the empire to function.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@TheThorne1 Please do not base your historical knowledge of Suleyman or Turkish history on this series. It has highly contentious and outrageously inaccurate information. It should be viewed purely for entertainment purposes.
MsNala77 1 month ago
@MsNala77 I do not base my knowledge of Suleyman or history on this or any other work of fiction. The writers say clearly that this is fiction, weaving incidents and people from history with own imaginations. The problem today is that youth everywhere do not read either history or great literature very much, and tend to believe what they see on TV or film as real. That is why it is important to separate what we we see is correct from the writers' imaginations.
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@MsNala77 My position is that there is so much that is exciting and would make good drama and so many fascinating characters that were part of that story in the real history, that it was unneccesary to create characters like Leo and Isabella and ignore the interesting things about people like Alvise Gritti. Matrakci's famous art work is ignored, he appears only as a "buddy" of Ibrahim. Why are the harem eunuchs portrayed as white, not African? They treat Ibrahim's being Greek as unusual.
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 In fact, most of the men in the palace were not Turkis, but were either captives or taken from Christian villages within the Empire to be janissaries or government officials. They were converted, given the best education and could rise to the highest positions in the land. Many talented captives stayed rather than be ransomed by their families and became very powerful. They also used their connections to help with European diplomacy.
TheThorne1 1 month ago
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@MsNala77 In fact, most of the men in the palace were not Turkis, but were either captives or taken from Christian villages within the Empire to be janissaries or government officials. They were converted, given the best education and could rise to the highest positions in the land. Many talented captives stayed rather than be ransomed by their families and became very powerful. They also used their connections to help with European diplomacy.
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TheThorne1 1 month ago
@MsNala77 My final criticism of the serial's accuracy is that while they put in all the main battles, they ignore Suleyman's political relations with the varying European states. He saw the Hapsburgs, both Austrian and Spanish as enemies, but allied himself with France and many other states, especially Protestants, whom he preferred to Catholics and the Vatican. Up until the 19th century, the Ottomans were part of the every shifting set of European alliances.
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@MsNala77 To conclude, my criticism is not that I think they should have put History more accurately, but that some of the imaginary events and people could be believed by those watching the program. It is fine to create, for drama's sake the characters of their servants, for instance, or having the men and women interact more closely than they did, or ignoring the high level of protocol, but to totally change the course of events is bad for the general public.
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 Agreed. It is disheartening to say the very least that most people watching this series, believes the princess Isabella depicted is none other than the great Isabel the First of Castile, otherwise known as Isabel la Catolica.
Like you, i do not believe the addition of this character is necessary for the development of the series, if anything it has made me look at how ridiculous it is.
MsNala77 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 Not only was she dead when Suleyman came to power, but the mere thought that anyone could kidnap her in the first place is sheer naivety, Ottoman or not.
Creating entertainment is one thing, but actually misusing history to this degree is something else.
The whole Isabel issue is only one of many additions to the story that have discredited the series.
MsNala77 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 and lastly I am disappointed purely from a historical point of view and watch it purely for the costuming (which again is inaccurate) and for entertainment value.
Sure, there are many movies that made with horrendous historical inaccuracies and this series by far not the worst. For some reason however, i thought Turks creating a series based on their own history would take far greater care with the story-line, than is apparent in what we have been watching.
MsNala77 1 month ago
@MsNala77 Ugh!!The costumes!! With all the money they spend, why use the European costumes of the period for the women. Daiya Hatoun's headpiece is distinctly British. There are so many paintings and miniatures and works in museums. Also, from reading about her, it is clear Hurrem was much too intelligent to act silly like in the series. She must have been incredibly mature at a young age to figure out the social system when she arrived and made it work for her.
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@MsNala77 Why was there a big fuss in the Turkish press about this series? A few years ago, a series "Hurrem Sultan" had the same sexual and harem scenes, etc. There is a new "Ottoman" serial coming, "Burasi Osmanli 1711" From the trailers it seems worse. They show the war with Russia but the enemy wear British uniforms from that time. And why a serial would focus on a war in which the Ottomans made a terrible strategic mistake and a sultan that was thrown out by an uprising?
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@MsNala77 The Ottomans were winning the battle against the Russians, who began to retreat. Instead of followiing them and destroying their arms and capturing their soldiers, the Grand Vizier who was running the war let them escape and sue for peace. The Russians had to give back territories in the peace treaty, but they still had their army intact and continued to harass and take from the Ottomans right up to their revolution during WWI. This period was good for tulips, but not for the Empire!
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 I have no idea why there was such a furore in the press. Some political issue no doubt. I find the religious factions in Turkey and abroad tiresome. The whole Religion Vs Ataturk debate was stale 50 years ago, now days, it just seems a joke to even discuss it.
The costuming is a mix of Ottoman and European. Daiye Hatun's headpiece i thought resembled the Russian Kokoshnik more so than any English headpiece, but you could be right,
MsNala77 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 the Turks keep going on about the "secret history" of the Ottoman empire, well as a historian i find the whole idea ludicrous. Also, i have yet to hear a comprehensive account of what this secret history contains. If it contains tales of corruption, wanton sexuality, excesses of the body and mind, drugs, alcohol etc, well that is hardly news and the Ottomans are hardly the only ones to engage in such activities.
MsNala77 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 they credit Hurrem with toppling the empire. Bit much don't you think??? On the one hand Suleyman is this larger than life, god like figure in Turkish history; he is intelligent beyond reckoning, he is just, he is this, he is that- and yet he falls prey to the wiles of a woman?? makes zero sense. i could go on and on but i will stop :-)
MsNala77 1 month ago
@MsNala77 History, mythology and literature all confirm that even great men have at least one fatal weakness and it is often a woman and can cause the man to do something very stupid. Hurrem was one of many who influenced the fate of the Ottomans and Suleiman one of the decision-makers who caused the longevity as well as the eventual collapse. His choices produced very important "what if's" regarding that history. What if the brilliant Mustafa, not the drunken Selim, became the next Sultan?
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 I understand where you are coming from, i still maintain however that Hurrem is not and never was the sole reason the empire crumbled. Suleyman did have a soft spot for her granted, she was his wife! but a succession of rulers after Suleyman did as much, if not more damage to the empire then Hurrem. What we see here is a classical case of blaming the woman, using her as a scape goat to explain or comprehend the actions of male monarchs.
MsNala77 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 We cannot blame Hurrem for the execution of Mustafa. Suleyman ordered it, not Hurrem. She dabbled in politics, intrigue and on some occasions poisoned people, but she was not the first or the last to do so. His choices as you put it, were just that HIS choices based on whatever advice he may have received from Hurrem and many other individuals close to him at the time. As for Ibrahim, one of the main reasons his execution was ordered was because he proclaimed himself Sultan
MsNala77 1 month ago
@MsNala77 No one could blame just Hurrem for Mustafa's killing and yes, his father chose to do it. Rustum Pasha, then grand vizier and his wife, Hurrem's daughter Mihrimah contributed. I'm sure Mustafa made lots of his own enemies. Ibrahim did not take the title of "Sultan" during the Persian campaign, but added the word Sultan following a title already give to him by Suleyman "Serasker." but he clearly didn't understand how impudent or presumptuous that sounded and it aided his enemies.
TheThorne1 1 month ago
@TheThorne1 yet, Hurrem is blamed for his demise also. Interestingly all the intrigues done against Hurrem by Ibrahim and various others are not mentioned. I just think that if we are to properly analyse historical events, we must do so objectively with whatever sources that are at our disposal. Blaming the wife of male monarchs for the demise of empires is something history is steeped in. One need only look at Marie Antoinette and Alexandra Feodorovna to realise this and discredit the idea
MsNala77 1 month ago 2
prenses isabellanin surati yapili kardesim...dudaklar sisme...burun küçültme...gözleri birkere hortlak...hürremden güzel degil bu kadin...
DenizGozlum1991 4 months ago
Isabella dunya guzel hurrem gebersinnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LaTurkiia 4 months ago
Milliyet Australia, yaz ve seyret.
uzaklardaki 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 thank you so much for the translation, i realy wish suleman would fall in love with isabella so that hurem would burn in her jealosy :) i was reading your conversation on history which i found very useful also and im surprised to know that mahidevran was not his wife but also a jaria ?? and that hurem was his legal wife? can u clarify please? thank you
TheSahora 4 months ago
people need to understand that this tv show is not in line with history just as the credits state these are products of a writers imagination, there are portions that are true yet Suleyman the magnificent wasn't a womaniser now was he power hungry all those parts are to make this show get more ratings. it is fiction
iimeltMM 4 months ago
@iimeltMM Very true! It is a good dramatic device.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
geber hurrem
mrstorky 4 months ago
Haydiiiii!! Neydi simdi bu opucuk? Nasil bir son bu?
annaottobre 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 The reason I go to Arabic versions or subtitles is that I know very little Turkish and I do read and speak Arabic.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 It seems that slavery was meant as a temporary after the beginning of Islam but lasted longer and the qadhis and religious experts across the centuries made comments about it and cases in the courts are plentiful in these countries, especially regarding the rights of slaves. Just one example: In old Egyptian records, you read that a jaaria went to court to demand her right to live with her child though the wife of the man did not want her there and the Qadhi protected her right.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
It might come to MBC but hard for the same reasons that made many Turkish were angry and wanted to stop it. How can the great Muslim leader behave in such a way, breaking religious traditions even if it is true? Re history, many people confuse "what people did" with "what they should have done" and say that this and that did not happen because it was not supposed to happen. There would so many more scenes to cut.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
Taking Mustafa's property was the custom when an official, even in the family, is executed. Suleyman took the property of Ibrahim, even though the wife was his own sister! We can't judge this by modern values. BUT.......it WAS Suleyman's responsibility to take care of the mother of his child for the rest of her life, no matter what happens to the child. He was just cruel to her.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 See my comments on the top of the page re slavery/women . Circassians=Cherkess [there are Cherkess in Jordan and Syria] and Georgian means the people from that country that is near Turkey, Russia and Armenia. They had a fight with Russia a few years ago.
I don't remember which episode he married her in.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
Concubines "jawaari" did start in Islam that way but evolved over time until into the 20th century with religious approval. It was part of a larger system of slavery in many Muslim areas that included blacks and whites. The laws that protected slaves, including jawaari, were firm, not like the way that slaves could be treated in the Christian world or elsewhere. In America, a slave woman forced to have a child by her owner and the child became a slave like her!
TheThorne1 4 months ago
Orusbu Hatice :D
dilos96 4 months ago in playlist Season 2
@yayakoky1 Afghanistan has one or more private TVs, one is Tolo that shows this serial. They even now make their own TV shows and dramas in Afghanistan. These serials were, in Arabic version and on MBC and maybe other channels also. First is "AlAjniha alMunqasira" [Broken Wings] about the fight against the Greek invasion and the second is "al Hub wal Harb" [The Black Serpent] about the French seige of Ayntab.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 Even if Mahidevran was from such a family she could still be taken or given for the harem. It was not a dishonor, it was connection to the Sultan's household and the children might be very powerful. This system continued into the 20th century, when poor Circassian and Georgian Muslim families gave their daughters to the palace in hopes of a better life. Even in the 20th c, most women were not "wives." Hurrem's marriage already happened in the serial after Mehmet was born.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
isabella in my opinion has made the events more intreging, its interesting to sea new events and new herem coming in ,we got tierd from the eveil hurem and the poor mahidevra, lets see hurem burn in her jealousy for a change:)
TheSahora 4 months ago 2
@yayakoky1 Exactly "Ma Malakat Aymanekom" is the basis. The Ottomans adopted the system for the same reason that the Abbasids did after a couple of generations as having a wife in the family who represents the interests of another perhaps powerful family compromises the total power of the ruler and loyalty of the sons. In the beginning, each started with wives as a way to seal good relations with other tribes or regional powers but after they were supreme, this lost its value and was trouble.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
nerhaba every one.... can sombody translate what mahidevran told hurem when she caome to her room?
TheSahora 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 Before slavery was ended, a concubine was the legal property of the master. He could do what he wanted with her. The status of a son by a slave woman was determined by recognition by the father, not marriage. This was accepted in Islam. It is different from having a lover now which is adultery. Mahidevran was not a legal wife but the mother of a Sultan's son had special status. That is why Mahidevran was insulted when Suleyman did the rare thing and "legally" married Hurrem.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 I think his name is Mehmet Gursel.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 I am watching Fatmagul'un Sucu Ne on site with Arabic subtitles. I also watch on Arab TV: Sila, Ask ve Ceza, and Ezel. My favorites have been historical: Kirik Kanatlar and Kara Yilan. I learned a lot about the Turkish War of Independence from them. Ask-i Memnu is going around the world. Imagine, it is even playing on TV in Afghanistan!
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 History and contemporary life all point to important men who were influenced in their political, work and financial affairs by powerful women in their lives: wives, lovers or mothers. It is for that reason that the literatures around the world are full of such stories. Also, remember that the decisions Suleyman made were not only supported by Hurrem, but by men at the palace like Rustem and those who were jealous of Ibrahim's power.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
bence bu dizi yayindan kalkar iyice sapittilar sultan süleymani ne hale sokuyorlar gözleriyle görmüs gibi adama iftira atiyorlar..
sarimelek55 4 months ago
bu kadar iftiranin vebalini nasil verecekler acaba bir islam halifesini sexo manyak yaptilar
nomo5858 4 months ago
Why is there so many advertising in this episode... ?
xcuneytx 4 months ago
@xcuneytx I guess adverts are placed randomly by youtube.. I have no advert at the moment..
besiktassiyah 4 months ago
its our wrethed that we are disgracing our great and gracefull ancesters.. i condemned this movie
mmsaleemshah 4 months ago
@mmsaleemshah Are you saying that the life of the Sultan and the social system of the palace were not like this or that it should not be shown on TV? Yes, there is fiction, Isabella, Leo, etc., but the basics are true. Suleyman's poem says that the lips of his beloved were more delicious than wine. The harem women were slaves and he could do what he wanted with any of them. We cannot change the facts to support morality or Suleyman "should have" acted as a good Muslim.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
muhtesem yuzyil yetersiz sadece sarayda olup biteni goruyoruz ve savas alaninda sanki savas etmiyorlar dusmani gormuyoruz zaten ortada bir prens prenses papaz ve griti bunlarin kral kraliceleri yokmu dizi de cok eksik var ve amerikalilar kendi kahramanlarini rambo yapar bizse kadinlara duskun yapariz cok yanli
826recep 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 They are good at comedy but it distorts history and biology. Being a eunuch [a man who is castrated] which they did to boys or men to work in the harem or closeby does not make them effeminate. They do not act like women or homosexual. Also, harem eunuchs were black and a more drastic surgery. If they castrate a young boy his physical growth stops or slows. His voice stays high and sometimes he gets fat. The church did it to have girl voices in choirs.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
izlein cok unemliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
myracan 4 months ago
Bu dizi gun gectikce daha da boktan olmaya basladi. Resmen koca bir bosluk hicbirsey yok icinde. Bu taylan biraderler denen salaklar ozel efektlerin disinda hicbir boktan anlamiyolar.
Revengeofthestorm61 4 months ago
still vengeful Mahidevran... wrrr
metamo73 4 months ago
great serial,great actors.... love Sunbul aga acting
khoobsurat82 4 months ago
Isabella is in love with Suleyman, experiencing typical stockholm syndrome. She is also extremely attracted by his row, 'barbarian' sexuality. She will be seduced, romanced and left in self-torturing hurt brake, regret, and shame. She threw herself into his arms and later she would have to deal with her catholic conscience and the consequences of her 'sinful' act. She can't help feeling love and passion for Suleyman. It is obvious she will get the necklace he is making after halet.
tashenka11 4 months ago
Something tells me that Isabella will have halvet with Suleyman. He is toying with her, playing seductive game, romancing her into relationship based on mostly political interests. He sees her as a political pawn but she is also a beautiful woman who intrigues him and phisically attracts him (have you noticed how similar personality Izzy and Hurrem have -j rebellious, courageous personality that attracts Suleyman, bored by submissive, obeying women, trained to please him).
tashenka11 4 months ago 3
Süleyman beyefendi :-)
metamo73 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 ok excuse me... yes i 'm angry ...i'm annoyed because big part of the film construct on the lies ...
MrAlonesoldier 4 months ago
@MrAlonesoldier It is clearly stated at the beginning of each episode (bolum) that it was inspired by history, not made by following strict historical facts. There are no lies, there is only artistic liberty and imagination of the scriptwriter - Ms Meral Okay. Maybe you can try to grasp the difference between historical documentary and period drama based on certain historical facts and characters.
tashenka11 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 i said that :CAN YOU SHUT UP ???
MrAlonesoldier 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 A different mentality back then. Suleyman thought he was doing all this, even killing his sons, for the good of the Empire. He was being blind to the schemes of Hurrem. None of these other killings would have happened if he had not killed Ibrahim. Hurrem was smart and lived by "survival of the fitest." If she had not seduced Suleyman, she might have spent her life scrubbing floors in the harem. If Mustafa had lived and taken over from his father, her sons would likely be killed.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 Suleyman was VERY mean to Mahidevran even after he killed her son. He took all Mustafa's property and left Mahidevran with no support. Kind people who loved her son took care of her until Suleyman died. Then actually, Sultan Selim II was nice to her so she lived in comfort til she died.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 kardesim siz 2 niz filmi bok ettiniz :)) bi susun :)))
MrAlonesoldier 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 I didn't know the story of Cihangir, but what you say sounds so sad. I also believe he was physically deformed or weak and ill. I remember reading somewhere that he joked that no one will kill him fighting over becoming the Sultan.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
hurrem nerde yuz ceker be.. abarta abarta öldünüz su hurremi oynayan kariyi.. mahidevran da cok guzel isabella da bence, hurrem ne halt oluyo
GuLYaGMuRuM 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 I don't know about Shahzade [Prince] Mahmud. If he was born in 1511, Suleyman would have been 17. Not impossible since they gave concubines when the boys started wanting them but he would have still been alive when Suleyman became Sultan but we only hear about Mustafa from Mahidevran in history. Suleyman was about 21 when Mustafa was born in 1515.
Hurrem's first son was Mehmet. He would have been born around 1521, a year after his mother arrived. He died in 1543 of illness.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
avazin kesilsin hurrem :D
GuLYaGMuRuM 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 This is, I believe, what means in English the Janisarriy Corps, the slave army. They, like the officials at the palace were taken from Christian villages as children and educated especially. They become very powerful and were finally killed or removed in the 1830s and replaced by a modern European-type army. Hurrem died in 1558, Suleyman in 1566. 1559: Beyazid and Selim had provinces but were fighting. Suleyman trusted Selim. Cihangir died before this fight, I don't know how.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 It is one thing to invent characters like Isabella and Victoria and silly stories of personal lives, but it is wrong to change actual history because people especially school children might believe the mistakes. The Yeniceriler did not begin to make real revolts until later in history. Under Selim II they started making big noise about wanting more money. He was afraid and gave it to them, so they started to extort money and other things and later sultans were also scared.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 The story is worse. After Hurrem died, he decided taht his son Beyazid from Hurrem was plotting against him and had him and his sons all killed. Again, Beyazid was a good governor and warrior. Cihangir was already dead, so that left Selim to follow his father. And yes, many brilliant men can be manipulated by intelligent women who build up their egos.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
@yayakoky1 In some periods only one son, in other times more because the problem with one son was that it meant he might die young and a sultan's brother followed or a nephew. Kosem sultan...maypeker was the concubine then wife of sultan ahmet...he died young and she ruled for her sons and then tried to do so again for her grandson but was killed instead. she also arranged killing of her own son. Hurrem plotted against Mustafa with Rustem Pasa the grand vazier and daughter Mihrimah's husband.
TheThorne1 4 months ago
bunun gibi salak bi prenses görmedim
selinnn08 4 months ago
@melek467
yalniwin var deye duwunurem prenses ele ewidib herkesten tanimiyor osmanlilari .. kim ne ewidirse onada inanir bence...
89CaviD 4 months ago