Re: Nina Perlove Flute Lesson Vibrato

[AlizeCookiez]

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[Pmeyer123]

wait i dont get it wheres the lesson

[omgzJENNA]

wood headjoint?

[blackrosses68]

i wish i had a flute like that

[sait96]

you need more exercise to have a longer breathing.

[chjola1]

Part of the exercise is taking breaths where she is taking them, so shut up.

[jonasbrofan705]

@sait96 Nina Perlove's exercises have the player breathing after two measures. kelandjen did an excellent hob.

[perfectlyEquestrian]

nice job!! just DON'T put your flute on your chin!! its supposed to be placed in the middle of your lower lip. then you can adjust your embourche from there. if its kept on your chin, you go flat.

[floriana1985]

Well it doesn't sound bad, but I think you are not breathing with your diaphragm. The reason I'm saying that is that I'm seeing how your shoulders are going up every time you breath. Even though your breaths are short they should be more ample. And I think you should hold the notes longer. That is the whole point of this exercise. And see how when you lose your breath you lose your vibrato too. That means you're not controlling it properly from your core. Try some yoga exercises. They help.

[DUCKSthatswim]

ok i don't know much on vibrato because i havn't really been taught it but from what I hear is sounds pretty amazing!!!! :) i would like to sound like that. AND CinematicTwilight i hav the exact same question as you do...

[fp3shb]

You're vibrato is FINE! Ignore people.

[feeling35]

I found you are very strictly doing what Nina asked on this lesson and it's perfect. But of course she doesn't ask to play like that every time! I agree for te "commentaires in french" saying it looks like a robot.But this was just the exercise!

Second I find your sound good,

[nickthefag]

your falling like half a second of the beat

[flutedor]

Verdaderamente parece un robot, donde quedo la musicalidad? con el metronomo parece que esta sacando en vibrato a base de latigazos. No me gusta!!!!!!

[motosexy92]

es un ejercisio. naco

[flutedor]

para tu respuesta tan extensiva y llena de critica de trasfondo, te tengo una palabra y ojala conozcas su trabajo. Moyse. Refutame con algo de contenido, Villamelon...

[floriana1985]

AMEN!!!!! Moyse funciona para qualquier cosa. ;)

[BrAnDoNZiZi]

Do you start on a c or a c sharp?

[oxLittleMissNJxo]

C =]

[CompulsiveShopper]

i mastered the vibrato in about 1 week. idk how long it normally takes to learn it for a normal plyer, (im really good)

[Rexicano]

The worst thing you can do is play with a metronome; it's crazy unless you like sounding like a robot.

Play with singers on CDs and then you will sound like someone who has expression.

The best flute players in the world are from India; and they went for Centuries with NO METRONOMES...and they have killer rhythm too. Keep going like this and you'll sound as bad as Galway with his mechanical vibrato.

[TTINUHPLOTR]

Uhm, they used sticks as metronomes. :] they'd have to have a partner to keep the beat while practicing. Metronomes are just a more convenient alternative to that. Keeping the beat is VERY important. If you're a soloist and will always be a soloist, it's not super important unless you want to keep the song sounding nearly the same every single time. For an ensemble, it's HUGELY important to keep the same beat, so the group can stay together. I agree, though, that vibrato shouldn't be mechanical.

[Rexicano]

If you can't keep the beat steady sans a machine then you will never be a good musician.

And according to the phrases the beat is always changing in subtle ways so again metronomes are not needed. Ear training is, and metronomes are crutches. Eventually you will HAVE to use your ear. Modern music sounds like crap when there is a drum machine and mechanical beat that stays the same. Robotic is not human.

[floriana1985]

Alright Gipsy King. I played professionally for 15 years, I don't know if you're just saying that to sound important or just to say something. And yes I am 8 months behind with this. But you are WRONG. Yes some people have a natural rythm inside them. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use a metronome while practicing - EXERCISES - or when we practice in general. That keeps you in check. I would really love to hear your playing and see how "natural" you are a keeping time. Cheers!!!

[Rexicano]

If you want to sound like a robot..then fine.

Gee, how in the world did Indian and Arabic, and Africans get along sans metronome for thousands of years..and they have the best rhythm in the world. So much for ME being wrong.

Your sound is very pinched. So tone quality is not your forte either.

Wow, a pro for 15 years? I've only been one for 30.

[floriana1985]

It has nothing to do with sounding like a robot. And if I might ask Mr. Professional Flute Player, what kind of music do you play? I don't know how many books you have read on African music but it is based on rythm and pattern. And I would really love to hear one of your playing sessions and we'll talk about it then. I mean WTF... who taught you how to play flute? Or are you a genius that has known how to play from the womb and doesn't follow tradition?! 30 years, of course you had to top me :))

[floriana1985]

Oh wait, just went on your channel. You're not even a flute player... Wow!!!! BTW students when they first start learning need "crutches" to get it in their system. Of course you have to use your ear, that's how you play as a soloist or in an ensemble. A metronome is used as a practicing and aiding device. I was so right about the Gypsy Kings stuff. LMAO. Anyway, don't want to hurt your feelings too much. I will take it that you taught yourself how to play or something...

[Rexicano]

Right; I don't play flute?

Ha. Good one. And where is YOUR video?

I guess I was just sitting in those Rampal Master classes so I could learn French. Alain Marion was also an influence.

Well, her playing is stiff and vibrato is too. So, looks like the metronome aint exactly helping.

I dunno where your getting all this Gipsy King nonsense but I studied Spanish music of De Falla, Rodrigo, Albeniz and Granados not Pop faux Flamenco music.

I also follow Hubert Laws as far as technique.

[floriana1985]

I'm sorry I don't try to throw my music down people's throats. It's on CDs and Video Recordings. And just 'cause you sat in their master classes doesn't mean anything. So what? My teacher was one of Rampal's good friends. Let's start throwing names around. Her playing is stiff bc she is afraid and she doesn't exactly know what she's doing. That's why she posted this video to get advice not to get people to tell her she sucks. I think with practice she can get to a good place.

[floriana1985]

PS: Just 'cause you think you're right it doesn't mean you really are. Look around and see what everyone else is saying. Nobody has anything against the metronome except for you. This was supposed to be a positive thing for her and not for us to argue about what is the correct thing to do. Just live in your little Cafe Concert world and let's just end this 'cause it's getting old.

[Rexicano]

I have no clue what you mean by Cafe Concert.

So, if MOST PEOPLE think something...it must be true.

I think for myself. I don't need to "look around" because I've been around a lot longer than you have.

And so if I don't have a video of flute up I'm not a flutist...but IF YOU don't then I'm supposed to think you are an accomplished player?

YOU started things...but you make no sense with your rant about Gipsy Kings and Cafe Concert. WTF?

And you pretend to speak for ALL people re metronomes.

[floriana1985]

OMG dude just let it go. Ok? You're a freakin' guitar player that attended some flute master classes. We got it. And if you don't know what Cafe Concert is then maybe you need to look it up. 'Cause that's what you're playing. I'm not pretending to speak for anyone but myself. I was just saying for you to read what everyone else is saying. Just 'cause you're older doesn't mean you know more. And Rampall died in 2000 so you might not be the only one that has seen him.

[floriana1985]

I was trying to give her an advice that came from experience and years of practicing. Now if you want to talk shit about something that obviously you don't have any positive advice to give then be my guest. I'm done arguing with you. It's stupid. Just 'cause you're little ego is hurt. This is just stupid. This poor girl doesn't have to look at our rants on her video that don't even have anything to do with her. If you have something to say to me you can pm me and not make everyone suffer.

[Rexicano]

I think you have mental problems;

you say you want to stop arguing but keep it up.

Too bad; I don't know where you're pulling all this nonsense out about what and who I am but then I guess since I only know about all sorts of music from many countries...I don't know anything because I don't have a clue what Cafe Concert is. Who cares?

I'm fine with what I do know.

Too bad if you picked a fight with someone who knows more than you. Then try to talk shit about me not being a flutist. You're nuts.

[Rexicano]

@stargirl2007a

Go back to your Mulan videos and forget about trying to tell the adults what to do....

seriously.

[Rexicano]

@stargirl2007a

"My name is Diana. I am funny and smart."

Right. People who say that about themselves never are.

19 going on 12 is my guess.

[ohmyboliviaaa]

i have fallen in love with your tone and your flute :o

[sunkiss06jg]

You're not breathing correctly. You're breaths are shallow, fill up your lungs from the bottom up. If you do this correctly your inhale will be silent. Good vibrato though.

[CinematicTwilight]

This was really great. You don't move your lips, right? Or do you? Vibrato for flute is sooo confusing.

[ltnm]

How long did it take you to get up to this speed?

[AngelInAqua]

in 6th grade i got into superior honor band

[happysquirrel333]

good for you

[CinematicTwilight]

lmao.

[BeautyQueens8]

I play flute since 6th grade and I'm going into high school and I wish i could play so much better.

it takes a while to perfect the flute

[Leenee94]

Haha, xD owned

[hamsandwich1543]

you sound very nice what is your head joint made of?

[Rodier1128]

I want to say ebonite, but im probably wrong ( they make bowling balls out of that stuff! )

[hamsandwich1543]

thats weird, i wouldnt think that would sound that way

[Rodier1128]

Like I said i don't really know. Im sure its not wood, mabey plastic?

Im still thinking ebonite.

[kelandjen]

The headjoint is grenadilla. Folkers and Powell Full Circle Lot model.

[Rodier1128]

The vibrato sounds really good, but kind of mechanical...? Its kinda scary!

[Zephur19]

i liked it. she had a good sound. thats one thing i need to work on. lol. i've tried so many time to perfect this (or at least do good) but i just can't make it. i guess i'll just keep practicing til' i get it. lol. all thanks to nina for the vid she posted.

[yanpan16]

yeah keep at it!what kind of exercises do you do to improve your tone??

[Zephur19]

what catches me is the high register, med and lower is no problem, so i try to fix my embouchure to help me with my tone. as for the exercises, well.....i dont really have an "exercise" per say, instead i practice on my posture like wise how i try to fix my embouchure.

[sumeetjigal]

spooky yeah

[mileyterra]

i couldnt get this right lol

[darrenzz]

you breath way too much

[CourtneeMalakian]

no i have that same exercise shes breathing in the right places you twat

[RocketRodder]

You have a very interesting headjoint... o_O

Your vibrato sounds good.

[0313880808]

your sound is good

[KrayzeKriZ]

You're tone is really, really nice. :)

[LhsFluediva]

oh and try not to tighten your mouth so much. your lips will thank you for it lol push from your stomach not your lungs by pinching your lips. :)

[noyan000]

wow nice, im just trying to learn how to do vibrato but having a hard time since i cant tell if im doing it right or just blowing harder and softer to give a similar effect

[ThomasTraspedini]

when you will use this vibrato? when you will use this power in vibrato? is it nice for sound and expression?

[kelandjen]

This is an exercise, this is ONLY an exercise. It is not nice for sound or expression. It is only an exercise. If there is power in the use of vibrato in this exercise, it will be utilised in pieces to aid in the control of muscles used to add vibrato to the sound.

[ThomasTraspedini]

I'm sorry: i've never used these exercises... thx for the interesting theory! ;)

[LedRocker11]

"This is an exercise, this is ONLY an exercise. It is not nice for sound or expression."

When you practice you should always be expressing, playing with a beautiful sound, and making the most music posible. If you practice with the mentality that this is only an exercise, you wont be able to make music when it counts.

[SwatchX7]

I agree with LedRocker11. Vibrato is most often used for expression in music. It makes the piece sound more musical than just notes on paper.

[johnny102marvin]

Nice tone and air control. I notice that when I strive for the vibrato it seems to improve my tone.

What is that black mouth piece?

[kelandjen]

It's a Full Circle Flutes Lot model wooden headjoint by Catherine Folkers and Ardal Powell

[snufkin789]

good =) and i like your flute headjoint^^

[kelandjen]

Thanks, it's pretty cool.

[JSBHK]

Awesome, you are sounding so good, Nina's best youtube pupil, I still can't figure out how to vibrate my neck or top of my mouth, lol, there is no muscle there to vibrate, also my teachers said it is wrong to make my neck tense, how did you do it?

[kelandjen]

Certainly don't make your neck tense! I would try the exercise very slowly, ie mm 60, and vibrate however you're used to. When you get comfortable, really think about what is causing the vibration. I would bet that you find a slight sensation in the top of the back of the throat.

[JSBHK]

OK,I'll try that, thanks!

[lietzen]

Very good!

[zooboy1990]

Beautiful!!!!

I'm still trying to fix my air control for this. lol

I keep breathing at the wrong times.

lol

[ninaflute]

Jen:

Good job getting this up to 120 so quickly! I hope this will inspire more to post response videos! The resonance is sounding better although it is hard for me to really tell over a video like this. Don't forget to hold abs IN while playing this, too. Great job.

[kelandjen]

Nina, I'm slightly confused about the concept of holding the abs in. Do you mean to literally sort of suck them in? Or to keep them relatively neutral but to contract the muscles?  I experimented with this yesterday and found if I literally pulled the muscles in I felt breathless and my throat became tense when I played.

[lisaflute]

good question, I had the same thought. I tried holding in my abs, and I felt my throat tense, and my air felt breathless. Nina , could you further explain about the abdominal muscles...neutral or sucked in tight. Thanks kindly! Smiles!

[kelandjen]

I experimented with this for four or five days and ultimately felt it wasn't for me - at least without some face to face instruction. I found the holding of the abs caused tension in other areas, eg my shoulders, throat, etc. I am no Alexander technique expert, but from my experiences with Alexander teachers, holding of any kind is discouraged. I would love to hear more from Nina about this.

[DiegoHCantor]

Please see Nina's video on active breathing. There is the explanation.