this is an awesome explanation of moa and has really righted the wrong in everything i've learned from the army, haha. great work nssf. will be sharing to FB.
The MOA explaination is flawless! If you dont wanna spend too much time figuring your bullet trajectory get a scope with BDC which they have everything figured out for the ammo you use so you dont have to
easy way to explain------ the bullet starts to go up because if it is zerod at 100 yeads, we must send the bullet up to begin. Because the bullet is in reality dropping all the time.
@stainless1911 Your crosshairs will be whever you aim them. :) Now the serious answer - I can not tell you exactly what your set-up will do - you need to check for yourself. This answer also depends on the distance at which you have your rifle zeroed. As an example, my .308, when zeroed at 100 yards, shoots 4 moa low at 25 yds since the bullet has not had a chance to travel up to the line of sight at 100 yds. To compensate for this, I can dial up 4 moa, or hold 4 moa high (above target).
@TheRaptor06 Yes. 1 mil = 1 decimeter per 100 meters. So, 1 mil at 200 meters is 20 centimeters, at 500 meters is 1/2 a meter and so on. For scopes which adjust in 1/10th mil incriments, each click is 1 centimeter per 100 meters.
if my scope is seat at 35 yards should i hold over the target or should i use minute of angle by turning the wheel thingy???please email me huntereby@gmail.com
@MinusTheTbird You can use a range finder or gps to be dead on. Or there are cruder methods such as mildot ranging where you use the mildots to estimate the range. Otherwise, yeah you will have to guess and make adjustments on the fly.
ok, so i can zero my scope at what ever range, all is right with the world, and i have went out shooting at various ranges to practice what i have learned... now next time i shoot do i have to re-zero my weapon because i have made so many adjustments on my scope?
@MrFatguywithagun One of the qualities of a good scope is its ability to make adjustements and return back to the proper zero. As long as you adjusted back to where your zero should be (e.g. came back down 12 moa after adjusting up 12 moa) your scope should still be zeroed. If you go to the range next time and you find that adjusting for different distances affected your zero - you need a better scope.
Another issue with larger adjustments once shooting out to 500+ is the fact that at longer ranges especially, the elevation adjustment on the scope needs to be supplemented by shimming. Can't just adjust the reticle pell mell. Certain amount of adjustment and you'll end up screwing the adjuster right out of the scope.
Thank you for your helpful videos. My question is this; If I create a range card based on my .308 168 grain 2650fps bullet, and I adjust my scope to be zeroed at 100yrds. the rest is pretty easy for me thanks to your videos and knowing my bullet drop. However my hunting rifle is zeroed at 200yrds. why would the bullet drop be different? for example with the 100yrd zero i drop 61.7in at 500yrds, yet with a 200yrd zero my calculations show a 50.9in drop at 500yrds? could you please help explain?
@craigmelchiano72 ...to get to 200 yards and up about 12 moa to get to 500 yards.With the rifle zeroed at 200 yards, you are adjusting up 10 moa to get to 500 yards. So, with the 100 yard rifle, 2 moa are used just to get it to hit at 200 yards like the other rifle's zero. Then, from the 200 yard target, you have to come up 10 additional moa (for 12 moa total) from the 200 yard target to hit at 500 yards. Both rifles need appx. 10 moa between 200 and 500 yards....
@craigmelchiano72 You likely have a 2 moa difference from 100 yds to 200 yds and you are seeing that difference with your differnt drops. With the rifle zeored at 200 yds, you are seeing a 50" (i'm rounding for explaination's sake) drop from the 200 yard mark. Ad with thw 100 yard zero you are seeing a 60" drop from the 100 yard mark. The 10" differnce at 500 yards is 2 moa. This is perfectly normal. With the rifle zeroed at 100 yards, you most likely come up 2 moa ...
@ClecknerNSSF Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. I think i understand what you mean in regards to starting to use MOA not inches. Would you ever consider doing private lessons? if so please let me know and i can send you my email. I'm pretty easy to find online and quite transparent. just Google craig melchiano.
@craigmelchiano72 This is why you should ALWAYS think in moa and not in inches. It makes things like this simpler to see and work with. Great question! Please see my response in the two comments below.
Great video! I am trying to learn how to use my new scope. If I'm sighted in at 100 yards, and I hit 2 inches low at 200 yards, that's one moa, correct? Instead of stopping to adjust my scope, do most just use the reticles to figure out where 1 moa is and center the target on that line?
Also, how can you use the reticle to determine how far away something is, if you know its size? If a deer's body is 20 inches tall, and it fits in 10 moa in the reticle, how far is it? 200 yards?
@patrickrucker1 Your MOA calculation for is correct (2 in low @ 200 yds = 1 MOA low). When I adjust just one MOA, I usually adjust on the scope - using reticle is easier for me with bigger MOA adjustments. For how to use your reticle ( for both hold-overs and range estimation), please see one of our other videos in this series, "Understanding Milliradians."
Im only 13 and i followed pretty much all of what you just said great video but say you just got a brand new gun that you haven't used before how would you know how much inches the bullet drops. would you just need to like figure it out by the shooting experience???
@jarod2495999 Glad to see a young man interested in shooting!!!! You can check ballistic tables or manufacture data to see what your bullet/caliber should drop. Should is the key word.....actually shooting those distances is the only way to be certain.
@jarod2495999 I prefer using experience with that particular rifle since I am not a fan of relying on charts made by someone else. However, even I will use a chart to get in the ballpark. For example, if I am shooting a new .308 that I just zeroed at 100 yards, I will start at 12moa up for 500 yards and then adjust up or down as needed for that rifle.
just a nyoob here but what i got is inches dropped divided by moa at the known distance = moa needed to come up. 300yd = 3moa, 15in drop/3moa=5moa up. to make adjustments on my turrent i would multiply number of clicks that make 1moa at 100yds by number of moa up. so at 300yds on a 1/4 min turrent (5moa x 4clicks= 20clicks) i would need 20 clicks. 1/2 min turrent = 10 clicks at 300yds. 1 min turrent = 5. someone correct me if im wrong.
@supagoose1 Looks good to me! (1 moa/click x 5 clicks, 1/2moa/click x 10 clicks, and 1/4moa/click x 20 clicks all equal a 5 moa adjustment which will adjust about 15" at 300 yards). Just a note though: you multiply the moa needed by the number of clicks needed per moa at any distance, not just needed at 100yds (a moa exists regardless of distance).
@ClecknerNSSF roger on another subject i understand that only actually shooting my rifle will get me the best results but how accurate are the ballistic calculators say like the one hornady has on there website?
Thank you so much for this vid, I bought an air rifle and scope a few days ago and zeroed it in in my back garden using your method. I used a piece of A4 paper as a target, I drew a 1" grid on it and put a cross in the centre square. The distance to my target was 20yards. My first group of three pellets were 4" right and 5" low. Using a 1/5 inch at 20 yds and my scope adjustment of one click per quarter MOA I went 80 clicks left 100 clicks up. It worked perfectly, Thanks again.
NO wait! Not one of those 90° on the scope, bullshit! What have I just said, or written? :D Can anyone tell me what one of these 1/60 on the scope is? So I can know what I have to pull higher, he says for example 2 MOA higher but I don't know what that is on the Scope or how it looks like. Thx
Great job. This was the first video I found that a) the person spoke understandable english, b) presented the material in an easy to understand way and c) wasn't some back woods hick talking about killing zombies with his modified hunting rifle. Great presentation from a true professional. You can tell that he was trained well. Military guys always speak with respect and safety in mind when talking about weapons. Sure beats the hundreds of wannabes on this website trying to be cool.
can you hellp me... all me balistics info is in inches, i need the formular to convert inches to MAO to clicks,, for example me 223 drops 54 inches @ 526 how do i finde the moa walue
@rubberduck182 Sorry to give you an answer like this but I explained it the best way I know how in the video. Please re-watch the segment starting at 6:30 in teh video for how to convert inches of drop into minutes of angle. Then, later in the video I talk about how many clicks you may need on your scope to make that MOA change.
@TheNSSF Im wanting to be an army snipe one day what do i need to do now to get into some practice? Also I have a ^6 mildot scope (centerpoint 4-16x40) does the same formula apply to this reticule : 27.778 x size of the target divided by mils read = the distance to the target. Thanks
@ModernMan316 Best thing you can do now to prepare for being a sniper is get in shape and keep yourself healthy. Whatever school you go to will teach you their method and test you on their method. As long as the mil-dots in your scope are actually mils (meaning spaced properly and not just dots on a reticle), the mil formula will work. Be careful though, depending on what power setting your scope is on they may not be actual mils (I have to be on 10x in my scope for it to work)
@TheNSSF This is by far the absolute best explaination and demonstration of MOA I've yet to come across on the internet. Thank you very very much! I'm off to create my first drop chart :)
@clutchcrazy888 I agree. What I don't know is, if my adjustments for 500 yards needs to be 15.75 and my scope only adjust to 14 how does the mildot come into configuration?
@nottazednorconfused Please see out video in this series on milliradians. In that video I show how to convert between moa and mils and give an example on how to do what you ask. For your particular situation, I would likely adjust up 12moa and hold 1 mil-dot high (which means using the first mil-dot below the reticle) since 1 mil is about 3.5 moa and that 3.5 moa you are getting from the mil plus the 12moa of elevation gets you to 15.5moa which is close enough to 15.75moa in my book.
@crashdummy40 Good question - I hope I can help you understand. Just because the bullet travels in an arc to the target does not mean it is not falling the second it leaves the barrel. Gravity affects the bullet the second it leaves the barrel and it starts falling down and away from its original path. Your barrel is angled up in relation to your scope - for example, I must use 12 moa of elevation in order to hit at 500 yards. That is 60" over the target. ....cont....
@crashdummy40 ....cont... if my bullet didn't fall, it wouldn't hit the target, it would hit 60" too high. My bullet starts off leaving the barrel going straight at the 60" too high mark, but immediately starts falling away from that path. Yes, it travels in an arc to the target and goes "up" from where the barrel is, but the barrel was actually pointed even higher and the bullet is falling. If we turned off gravity and you shot your 100 yd zero at 200 yds your bullet would strike even higher
ok SOOOOO when my scope Z is at 100 and and 200 its a little higher inch to an inch and a half explain that to me if the bullet doesnt rise the way this guy makes it sound its dropping the whole time as soon as it leaves the barrel
@Inwarwetrustful Almost always. However, with my .308, at 100 yards, my bullet rises just to the line of sight at 100 and then falls away again. At 25 yards my bullet just rises to the line of sight and hits the target - if it were allowed to keep flying, it of course would arc abck down and cross my line of sight in the distance (this can be handy to have one zero for close and far).
When you are doing the incriments for the scope at the different distances i'm wondering if this would apply to the iron sights on my old British 303 rifle that's set for 200 yards ? I find your videos to be the best i've come across yet and i'm new to the longer distance shooting and eager to learn.
@paininthe10 A MOA adjustment is an MOA adjustment regardless of whether you are using iron sights or a scope. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with your sight so I do not know their units of adjustment.
Some people just have that nack to teach and instruct! I would say this guy has that "nack" great video and I will be watching everyone I can find on youtube!
so basically 1 MOA 1"@100 2"@200 3"@300 then say 2 MOA would be 2"@100 4"@200 and 6"@300? so as an in field example you have a deer at 300 and your bullet will drop approx 6.8" at 300 then you set your scope for 2.25 MOA to compensate for 6.75" of bullet drop am i correct?
@VTGunSnHunting Yes, 2.25 MOA would be the proper adjustement as long as the 6.8" of drop at 300 yards is the amount of drop from your scope's zero. However, if you zeroed at 200 yds for some reason, even though the bullet may drop 6.8" when it travels the first 300 yards, it may only drop 3" between 200 and 300 yards. With a 200 yard zero, you would only need to adjust up the additional 1 moa (3") to hit 300 and not the entire 6.8" of drop from the barrel.
@ClecknerNSSF i sighted in at 100 yards then unlocked my turrets and set them back to zero (without changing the adjustment obviously) is that how i should of done it
@VTGunSnHunting Exactly right. Now, just adjust up from your zero to compensate for the bullet drop from your 100 yard zero. Some folks will zero at a certain distance and then try to calculate drop from the barrel - it is important to remember that adjustments are all relative from where the scope is set. Looks like you've got it!
This video is awesome... that was perfect. Thank you!!! I have never owned a gun, but want to learn how to hunt. I could use some recommendations on a good scope now. Is Leupold the best scopes? I was looking at the VX3 4.5 14x40. I'm wanting to buy a 2011 Model 70 Winchester Extreme Weather SS 308 bolt action rifle - I heard it was the best. I'm guessing the 1MOA click scopes are for shooting people -It would make clicking and shooting more rounds faster, but with less accuracy for bigger tar
@SequelFinalNight The VX3 replaced the Vari x 3 Feb 2004 a good all round scope that tracks well. I had a PR modded one. Best scopes are made by Deon in Japan i have two which make even S&B PM2 look mediocre.
Scopes are a personal thing try as many as you can and avoid the sales patter.
@jhareng Sounds like Deon is a top notch, but no one sales them on the internet. Google Shopping Link didn’t even work. Deon website points you to a Dealer company called Kelbly’s in America. Then Kelbly’s redirects you to Deon website when you click the Deon Scope link. Worst marketing I have ever seen. You probably have to call around to locate the scope, which is very bad for customers that want competition for better deals. Looks like it’s more of a specialty insider item, but I will call.
@SequelFinalNight Each scope is hand assembled by one individual not on a production line.
Also Deon dont want to be big i know they are presently stretched and can sell everything they make.
See what you mean about Kelblys linking back to deon.co.jp
UK has a price list and ship to Europe even when they have their own dealers. Not for the faint hearted think S&B PM2 price discounted and about 1/2 again for the X range, nice scopes though only got two but just gone over to a prototype Falcon T50C
@treverlid87 Apart from the expensive ones such as Swaro lasers are too easilly fooled. Not uncommon to fool them in to being a good 25% out dependant upon the light.
Better off using the focus (parallax) to determine the range if high mag, should do it any way.
@ClecknerNSSF ok say i was shooting 8 inches low at 400 yards i know that its a easy fix but what if im hunting something and know its about300, 400,500 yards away but my gun is zeroed at 100 yards what do i do cuz im not going to shoot ,adjust and shoot again?
@treverlid87 What you are going to do is practice shooting a those distances, write down the elevation required to hit at those distances and refer back to that information when you see a target at that distance again. You must know the distance to the target in order to adjust the proper amount of elevation - when you have another 400 yd target, you know what to do...now, you need to go figure out the rest. Enjoy!
@ClecknerNSSF i know what an MOA now but say i have my zero at 100 yards and my scope is 1/4 MOA at 100 yards but i want to hit a target at 400 yards and im hitting 8 inches low i know i need to come up 2 MOA which is 8 clicks up, so will i hit the target where i want it to or do i have to do the math with the fps and drop of the bullet , im shooting a 3006 and im using 180gr winchester ammo an how would i do the math
@treverlid87 The beauty of using MOA based on actual hard data - No complex calculations! If you are 8" low at 400 yards, you know you need to come up 2 MOA (if your scope is 1/4 MOA per click) which is up 8 clicks for you. Thats it! This is why I don't like to rely on ballistic calculators - it is irrelevant how fast your bullet is going (or for that matter even what it is doing on its way to the target...it could do loopty loops for all I care)...if it hits 2 MOA low, come up 2 MOA and hit!
@treverlid87 I am concerned that you may not have watched the video (ar at least watched it a few times, followed along with the concepts, and looked at the study guide we linked to in the description). If you have and you are still having trouble, please send me an email an I will do my best to help. [FYI - 1 MOA is appx. 1" per 100yds. Your scope likely adjusts in 1, 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 MOA per click on the scope. My guess for you is 1/4 MOA per click and 15 MOA per revolution.]
i think this way is so hard i like my way like ok say my scope is zeroed at 100 yards ok and on my scope its 1/4 at 100 yards so if im 2 inches hi i go 8 clicks down ???
Why should the peak of the bullet trajectory be at 100 yards ? I shoot a 300 Ultra mag at 3400 fps and bullet stays above the scopes line of sight until 255 yards. So basically at 200 yards the bullet hits 0.2 inches HIGHER than where it would hit at 100 yards because of the upward direction of the barrel. So if I zero in my scope at 100 yards in order to hit something at 200 yards I'd have to shoot 0.2 inches LOWER because the bullet is still on the upward curve.
Why should the peak of the bullet trajectory be at 100 yards ? I shoot a 300 Ultra mag at 3400 fps and bullet stays above the scopes line of sight until 255 yards. So basically at 200 yards the bullet hits 0.2 inches HIGHER than where it would hit at 100 yards because of the upward direction of the barrel. So if I zero in my scope at 100 yards in order to hit something at 200 yards I'd have to shoot 0.2 inches LOWER because the bullet is still on the upward curve.
@fuckvegan At 6:22 I specifically give my .308 as the example. As you know, all bullets are falling as soon as they leave the barrel. If your scope is set so the bullet impacts at your point of aim at 255 yards, then yes, the impact will be too high at 200 yards. Although I try not to use ballistics calculators, I do not have a .300 Ultra Mag to try so I must depend on a theoretical answer. My data results are the following for a 100 yards zero on a .300 ultra mag...
@fuckvegan ...(continued) .33" low at 50yds, zeroed at 100yds, .59" low at 150yds, and 2.18" low at 200yds. It seems as if your caliber may peak at 100 yards too when zeroed at 100yards. The bullet starts below the scope and for many calibers should just be rising to the scope at whatever distance it is set for 100 yards and beyond. Of course, with a 25yd zero, the bullet will still be rising with most calibers at 25yds (but there is always an excpetion... .22lr for example).
@ClecknerNSSF What I meant was that a bullet trajectory is a parabola and the scope line of sight is a straight line. The bullets trajectory crosses the scopes line TWICE. So it should be zeroed at two places unless it hits the peak. What your calculator gives is the "drop" of the bullet from when it exits the muzzle. A bullet always drops. But we are interested here in the "gap" between the scopes line and bullets trajectory. If that gap is zero it means you are zeroed there.
Respond to this video... continued.... If the bullet is zeroed at 100 yards which is fair and I zero mine at 100 as well the bullet will cross and move UP for a short period ABOVE the line of sight. Find out how much it is at 110 yards if you zeroed at 100. I bet it will shoot higher and not lower. Its pretty much impossible to zero at peak at 100 yards with faster bullets because it will cross and go above the line of sight. Now if you zero at say 1000 yards you may hit the peak.
@fuckvegan I'll give you this - you have me curious. I promise to go out with my 100yd zero and see what happens at 110yds. However, I know that with my 100yd zero, my bullet impacts low at 150 and even lower at 200. As you say, a faster bullet may do otherwise - again, this is why I reference my .308 and try my best in my videos to keep reminding people to go out and try it themselves to see what results they get. With MY .308 on my 100 yd zero...cont.
@fuckvegan ....cont...I am about 4 MOA low at 25yds, 1 MOA low at 50 yds, 1/3 MOA low at 75 yds, dead on at 100 yds, 1 MOA low at 150 yds, and 2 MOA low at 200 yds. It is not a "rule" that a bullet must peak at 100 yds and I completely agree that the bullet crosses the line of sight twice (if given the chance to keep flying after a 25 yd target for example) but, in my experience, it only crosses once at 100 yds for MY .308 since it hits higher up to 100 and then starts dropping after ...cont x2
@fuckvegan ...cont x2... I really like that you watched the video and are realy thinking about the concepts! If I made it seem as if it was a rule that your bullet must perform in a certain wai in order for these principles to apply, I appoliogize. Keep up the good work and keep shooting!
@fuckvegan There is a concept that you don't understand which is confusing you. The bore/ sight intersect is determined by three factors- 1. The range you are zeroed at (where you have pointed the barrel), 2. The measured offset (height) of your sight from your barrel, 3. rate of bullet drop (which is variable depending on the ammunition and the rifle). SUMMARY- The terminal ordinate (peak) zero range the range where the theoretical bullet drop equals the sight offset.
@fuckvecan cont1- This specific range will change depending on the rifle, sight mounting, and ammunition used. Zeroing at a range closer or farther than the terminal ordinate zero range will result in 2 sight intersects because the angle of the barrel now causes the terminal ordinate to be higher than the line of sight. Even the flattest shooting gun around is not going to produce a terminal ordinate sight intersect at 1000yds unless you mount the sight a meter or two above the barrel.
@ClecknerNSSF A bullet has an upward trajectory for a while and will continue to hit ABOVE the line of scope while constantly DROPPING due to gravity. When you zero at a given yard the scopes line of sight intersects the bullets trajectory at that same yard but a ballistic calculator only gives the bullets drop which is erroneous because the bullet is always dropping anyways. Its the difference between the scopes line of sight and the bullets path is what we are interested.
the Mil-Dot is a range estimating reticle that was developed for military applications. The space between the dot centers subtends one milliradian (Mil). One Mil subtends 3.6" at 100 yards, or 36" at 1,000 yards.
@moviking - Great answer! @Daemeon93 - We also have a video on "Understanding Mils (Milliradians) that may help you understand the relationsip between Mils and MOA better.
I love your videos sir. Many thanks for posting. It's a pleasure to hear someone speak who really knows his stuff. That's rare these days in my world. This video about minute of angle is particularly valuable.
HooAhhh !! Great block of instruction !! My PSGT couldnt explain this to me and got frustrated which made me feel frustrated. Your class made so much sense to me, and now I feel I can honestly learn the rest. I am not a sniper, but want to be able to take a shot if I had too....it may save my life, my buddies, or civilians. Your the man !! Rangers may lead the way, but the 82nd Airborne is where most Rangers start from !! Death from Above my friend, and thanks again.
@dogtagx2 Thanks for the comment and thanks for your service. Feel free to pass our videos along to your CoC (especially Mil and MOA), it may help them teach others and not be frustrated next time.
@Atwa023 Your bullet drop will be unique to your set-up...it is always best to get out and see what happens at different distances and record it for future use. However, for a starting point, you can use some free ballistic software to get close to where your bullet may impact. You will most likely always have to fine tune to be exact, but it sure helps to know where an average .300 Win Mag will strike. Hornady, Winchester and Remington all offer tools on their websites.
Great Video Best explination of MOA that I have ever seen... I have read books and tried to find videos and never understood MOA. I feel like now I understand it 10 thousand times better thank you Ryan.
Ryan I first want to say thank you. I have watched your videos many times. I have one question; My bullet drop is similar to what you show here (308 win). The range i go to is on three ascending levels; 100 yard is level, 200 yards is 10 feet up above it, and 300 yards is 10 feet up above that. (like long steps going back.) I should have a bullet drop of 15" at 300 yards but i only seem to have an 8 inch drop. Is that because i am shooting up 20 feet to get to the targets at 300yards?
@craigmelchiano72 The angle up is negligible. You are shooting upward less than 1 degree - even at one degree, it would be like shooting 0.999 of the true distance. In your case, the angle makes it seem like 299.7 yards (essentially 1 foot closer). You say we have similar bullet drop, but do you mean we have the same caliber? The same caliber out of a different firearm with different ammo behaves...well...differently. With your numbers, it seems as if you may be zeroed at 200.
Remember that 1.5 MOA is still 1.5 MOA at any distance. What I said above is in reference to you sighting in your scope at those distances. 1 MOA is about 1 inch at 100y. If you were sighting your scope (depending on the type of gun and amo) at 200y you might go up 2 MOA. I hope I'm making since.
this is an awesome explanation of moa and has really righted the wrong in everything i've learned from the army, haha. great work nssf. will be sharing to FB.
TheJonnykane 3 days ago
Damn all this math, I need a Trijicon Acog to tell me what to do, haha
edwardwills 5 days ago
The MOA explaination is flawless! If you dont wanna spend too much time figuring your bullet trajectory get a scope with BDC which they have everything figured out for the ammo you use so you dont have to
LongIslandicedteaaa 1 week ago
easy way to explain------ the bullet starts to go up because if it is zerod at 100 yeads, we must send the bullet up to begin. Because the bullet is in reality dropping all the time.
medusa210562 1 week ago
confused. At 25 yrds, will my crosshairs be 4 moa above the prairie dog, or 4 moa below the prairie dog?
stainless1911 1 week ago in playlist Egypt
@stainless1911 Your crosshairs will be whever you aim them. :) Now the serious answer - I can not tell you exactly what your set-up will do - you need to check for yourself. This answer also depends on the distance at which you have your rifle zeroed. As an example, my .308, when zeroed at 100 yards, shoots 4 moa low at 25 yds since the bullet has not had a chance to travel up to the line of sight at 100 yds. To compensate for this, I can dial up 4 moa, or hold 4 moa high (above target).
ClecknerNSSF 1 week ago
@ClecknerNSSF thanks. thats what I needed to know.
stainless1911 1 week ago
Real simple and so easy to understand. Thanks!
wellerd379 1 week ago
Is there a simple way to convert these rules into the metric system?
TheRaptor06 1 week ago
@TheRaptor06 Yes. 1 mil = 1 decimeter per 100 meters. So, 1 mil at 200 meters is 20 centimeters, at 500 meters is 1/2 a meter and so on. For scopes which adjust in 1/10th mil incriments, each click is 1 centimeter per 100 meters.
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if my scope is seat at 35 yards should i hold over the target or should i use minute of angle by turning the wheel thingy???please email me huntereby@gmail.com
godlovessoldiers 2 weeks ago
Brilliant. Thank you.
BonesTheCat 2 weeks ago
How do you know how many yards your object is away? just guess?
MinusTheTbird 2 weeks ago
@MinusTheTbird You can use a range finder or gps to be dead on. Or there are cruder methods such as mildot ranging where you use the mildots to estimate the range. Otherwise, yeah you will have to guess and make adjustments on the fly.
MrMapex2010 2 weeks ago
ok, so i can zero my scope at what ever range, all is right with the world, and i have went out shooting at various ranges to practice what i have learned... now next time i shoot do i have to re-zero my weapon because i have made so many adjustments on my scope?
MrFatguywithagun 2 weeks ago
@MrFatguywithagun One of the qualities of a good scope is its ability to make adjustements and return back to the proper zero. As long as you adjusted back to where your zero should be (e.g. came back down 12 moa after adjusting up 12 moa) your scope should still be zeroed. If you go to the range next time and you find that adjusting for different distances affected your zero - you need a better scope.
ClecknerNSSF 2 weeks ago
@ClecknerNSSF Makes sense, whats a good scope at a LOW price that wont affect the zero from going out
MinusTheTbird 2 weeks ago
Another issue with larger adjustments once shooting out to 500+ is the fact that at longer ranges especially, the elevation adjustment on the scope needs to be supplemented by shimming. Can't just adjust the reticle pell mell. Certain amount of adjustment and you'll end up screwing the adjuster right out of the scope.
NowCryHavoc 3 weeks ago
I am a 4 year law enforcement sniper and you explained that perfectly!
crreon 3 weeks ago 6
Thank you for your helpful videos. My question is this; If I create a range card based on my .308 168 grain 2650fps bullet, and I adjust my scope to be zeroed at 100yrds. the rest is pretty easy for me thanks to your videos and knowing my bullet drop. However my hunting rifle is zeroed at 200yrds. why would the bullet drop be different? for example with the 100yrd zero i drop 61.7in at 500yrds, yet with a 200yrd zero my calculations show a 50.9in drop at 500yrds? could you please help explain?
craigmelchiano72 3 weeks ago
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@craigmelchiano72 ...to get to 200 yards and up about 12 moa to get to 500 yards.With the rifle zeroed at 200 yards, you are adjusting up 10 moa to get to 500 yards. So, with the 100 yard rifle, 2 moa are used just to get it to hit at 200 yards like the other rifle's zero. Then, from the 200 yard target, you have to come up 10 additional moa (for 12 moa total) from the 200 yard target to hit at 500 yards. Both rifles need appx. 10 moa between 200 and 500 yards....
ClecknerNSSF 3 weeks ago
@craigmelchiano72 You likely have a 2 moa difference from 100 yds to 200 yds and you are seeing that difference with your differnt drops. With the rifle zeored at 200 yds, you are seeing a 50" (i'm rounding for explaination's sake) drop from the 200 yard mark. Ad with thw 100 yard zero you are seeing a 60" drop from the 100 yard mark. The 10" differnce at 500 yards is 2 moa. This is perfectly normal. With the rifle zeroed at 100 yards, you most likely come up 2 moa ...
ClecknerNSSF 3 weeks ago
@ClecknerNSSF Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. I think i understand what you mean in regards to starting to use MOA not inches. Would you ever consider doing private lessons? if so please let me know and i can send you my email. I'm pretty easy to find online and quite transparent. just Google craig melchiano.
craigmelchiano72 3 weeks ago
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@craigmelchiano72 This is why you should ALWAYS think in moa and not in inches. It makes things like this simpler to see and work with. Great question! Please see my response in the two comments below.
ClecknerNSSF 3 weeks ago
It's about time someone explained it in terms most normal people can easily pick up on!! Thank you, and good video!!
lineman2323 1 month ago 3
Thanks for the vid. Ammo isn't cheap for a .338 lapua
xcaliber1984 1 month ago
Great video! I am trying to learn how to use my new scope. If I'm sighted in at 100 yards, and I hit 2 inches low at 200 yards, that's one moa, correct? Instead of stopping to adjust my scope, do most just use the reticles to figure out where 1 moa is and center the target on that line?
Also, how can you use the reticle to determine how far away something is, if you know its size? If a deer's body is 20 inches tall, and it fits in 10 moa in the reticle, how far is it? 200 yards?
Thank you! :)
patrickrucker1 1 month ago
@patrickrucker1 Your MOA calculation for is correct (2 in low @ 200 yds = 1 MOA low). When I adjust just one MOA, I usually adjust on the scope - using reticle is easier for me with bigger MOA adjustments. For how to use your reticle ( for both hold-overs and range estimation), please see one of our other videos in this series, "Understanding Milliradians."
ClecknerNSSF 1 month ago
Hey! It's the .50 Cal guy from top shot!! Great video!
bironmiller4330 1 month ago
@bironmiller4330 This is officially the first time I have ever been recognized for that. Glad you liked the video.
ClecknerNSSF 1 month ago
Thanks alot Sir! I finally got how Moa works !
Rosinat0r 1 month ago
Excellent teaching. Outstanding!!!!
microgers12 1 month ago
hi
freedomzimbabwe 1 month ago
Brilliant. You are awesome.
lbarker8 1 month ago
Im only 13 and i followed pretty much all of what you just said great video but say you just got a brand new gun that you haven't used before how would you know how much inches the bullet drops. would you just need to like figure it out by the shooting experience???
jarod2495999 1 month ago
@jarod2495999 Glad to see a young man interested in shooting!!!! You can check ballistic tables or manufacture data to see what your bullet/caliber should drop. Should is the key word.....actually shooting those distances is the only way to be certain.
bigdbugs 1 month ago
@bigdbugs Amen.
ClecknerNSSF 1 month ago
@jarod2495999 I prefer using experience with that particular rifle since I am not a fan of relying on charts made by someone else. However, even I will use a chart to get in the ballpark. For example, if I am shooting a new .308 that I just zeroed at 100 yards, I will start at 12moa up for 500 yards and then adjust up or down as needed for that rifle.
ClecknerNSSF 1 month ago
just a nyoob here but what i got is inches dropped divided by moa at the known distance = moa needed to come up. 300yd = 3moa, 15in drop/3moa=5moa up. to make adjustments on my turrent i would multiply number of clicks that make 1moa at 100yds by number of moa up. so at 300yds on a 1/4 min turrent (5moa x 4clicks= 20clicks) i would need 20 clicks. 1/2 min turrent = 10 clicks at 300yds. 1 min turrent = 5. someone correct me if im wrong.
supagoose1 1 month ago
@supagoose1 Looks good to me! (1 moa/click x 5 clicks, 1/2moa/click x 10 clicks, and 1/4moa/click x 20 clicks all equal a 5 moa adjustment which will adjust about 15" at 300 yards). Just a note though: you multiply the moa needed by the number of clicks needed per moa at any distance, not just needed at 100yds (a moa exists regardless of distance).
ClecknerNSSF 1 month ago
@ClecknerNSSF roger on another subject i understand that only actually shooting my rifle will get me the best results but how accurate are the ballistic calculators say like the one hornady has on there website?
supagoose1 1 month ago
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Thank you so much for this vid, I bought an air rifle and scope a few days ago and zeroed it in in my back garden using your method. I used a piece of A4 paper as a target, I drew a 1" grid on it and put a cross in the centre square. The distance to my target was 20yards. My first group of three pellets were 4" right and 5" low. Using a 1/5 inch at 20 yds and my scope adjustment of one click per quarter MOA I went 80 clicks left 100 clicks up. It worked perfectly, Thanks again.
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NO wait! Not one of those 90° on the scope, bullshit! What have I just said, or written? :D Can anyone tell me what one of these 1/60 on the scope is? So I can know what I have to pull higher, he says for example 2 MOA higher but I don't know what that is on the Scope or how it looks like. Thx
DLemre 1 month ago
"that's as simple as it is." love it.
yourenotdrinkchump 2 months ago
So 1/60 Minute is one of those 90 degrees in the scope?
DLemre 2 months ago
what is a good grop @100yds. for a 10x50 scope
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@rubberduck182 I consider a group better than 1 MOA to be a good group - regardless of optic.
ClecknerNSSF 2 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF on the best of days im shooting .5 moa or smaler whith me 270win @113m so im happy thanks..
rubberduck182 2 months ago
Great job. This was the first video I found that a) the person spoke understandable english, b) presented the material in an easy to understand way and c) wasn't some back woods hick talking about killing zombies with his modified hunting rifle. Great presentation from a true professional. You can tell that he was trained well. Military guys always speak with respect and safety in mind when talking about weapons. Sure beats the hundreds of wannabes on this website trying to be cool.
MassholeRubicon 2 months ago
Excellent explanation, very clear and well presented. Thank you.
georgewhedge 2 months ago
Absolutely THE BEST video on Youtube (and everywhere else that I have checked) explaining MOA. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. :)
MrSpider1967 2 months ago 3
can you hellp me... all me balistics info is in inches, i need the formular to convert inches to MAO to clicks,, for example me 223 drops 54 inches @ 526 how do i finde the moa walue
rubberduck182 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@rubberduck182 thanks
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@rubberduck182 Sorry to give you an answer like this but I explained it the best way I know how in the video. Please re-watch the segment starting at 6:30 in teh video for how to convert inches of drop into minutes of angle. Then, later in the video I talk about how many clicks you may need on your scope to make that MOA change.
ClecknerNSSF 2 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF okay sorry about that ill re-watch it..and i think i get it now,,THANKs very much..
rubberduck182 2 months ago
Bring a calculator to keep up with the math...har har
hellsgate11 2 months ago
Awesome Video. Definitely had me rethinking about how I was doing things. The "think in MOA. not in clicks" is the best advice ever for long range.
terryvia 2 months ago
Watched this three times - still haven't got a clue :(
ooLJCoo 2 months ago
Great video! I was so impressed by the explanation I even took notes!
Tyrule01 2 months ago
This is such a great quality video. Simplified everything read from the books. Mr. Cleckner you are a superb teacher, thank you for your service.
Sniperwolfc12 2 months ago 2
Brilliant explanation, be nice to apply it in real life
Pauluswales 2 months ago
Super informative, keep up the great videos!!
PizzaAndFirearms 2 months ago
great series of vids! informative and easy to understand :)
111dogon555 2 months ago
@TheNSSF Im wanting to be an army snipe one day what do i need to do now to get into some practice? Also I have a ^6 mildot scope (centerpoint 4-16x40) does the same formula apply to this reticule : 27.778 x size of the target divided by mils read = the distance to the target. Thanks
ModernMan316 2 months ago
@ModernMan316 Best thing you can do now to prepare for being a sniper is get in shape and keep yourself healthy. Whatever school you go to will teach you their method and test you on their method. As long as the mil-dots in your scope are actually mils (meaning spaced properly and not just dots on a reticle), the mil formula will work. Be careful though, depending on what power setting your scope is on they may not be actual mils (I have to be on 10x in my scope for it to work)
ClecknerNSSF 2 months ago
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ModernMan316 2 months ago
@TheNSSF This is by far the absolute best explaination and demonstration of MOA I've yet to come across on the internet. Thank you very very much! I'm off to create my first drop chart :)
clutchcrazy888 2 months ago 20
@clutchcrazy888 Thank you for thie kind words - this is why we make these videos.
ClecknerNSSF 2 months ago
@clutchcrazy888 I agree. What I don't know is, if my adjustments for 500 yards needs to be 15.75 and my scope only adjust to 14 how does the mildot come into configuration?
nottazednorconfused 1 month ago
@nottazednorconfused Please see out video in this series on milliradians. In that video I show how to convert between moa and mils and give an example on how to do what you ask. For your particular situation, I would likely adjust up 12moa and hold 1 mil-dot high (which means using the first mil-dot below the reticle) since 1 mil is about 3.5 moa and that 3.5 moa you are getting from the mil plus the 12moa of elevation gets you to 15.5moa which is close enough to 15.75moa in my book.
ClecknerNSSF 1 month ago
loved this video it was awsome!!!
bmxmatte1 2 months ago
Great video, now I know what MOA is.
HDWS51 3 months ago
Excellent. Thank you.
mquigly1547 3 months ago
Excellent. Thank you.
mquigly1547 3 months ago
GREAT VIDEO, BEST "MOA" VIDEO ON YOUTUBE.
police5811 3 months ago 38
@police5811 Thank you.
ClecknerNSSF 3 months ago
Excellent! I'll be checking out some of your other videos.
pkspence 3 months ago
@pkspence @mquigly1547 We are gald you liked the video. Standby for our "Angle Shooting" video coming out shortly.
ClecknerNSSF 3 months ago
@crashdummy40 Good question - I hope I can help you understand. Just because the bullet travels in an arc to the target does not mean it is not falling the second it leaves the barrel. Gravity affects the bullet the second it leaves the barrel and it starts falling down and away from its original path. Your barrel is angled up in relation to your scope - for example, I must use 12 moa of elevation in order to hit at 500 yards. That is 60" over the target. ....cont....
ClecknerNSSF 3 months ago
@crashdummy40 ....cont... if my bullet didn't fall, it wouldn't hit the target, it would hit 60" too high. My bullet starts off leaving the barrel going straight at the 60" too high mark, but immediately starts falling away from that path. Yes, it travels in an arc to the target and goes "up" from where the barrel is, but the barrel was actually pointed even higher and the bullet is falling. If we turned off gravity and you shot your 100 yd zero at 200 yds your bullet would strike even higher
ClecknerNSSF 3 months ago
ok SOOOOO when my scope Z is at 100 and and 200 its a little higher inch to an inch and a half explain that to me if the bullet doesnt rise the way this guy makes it sound its dropping the whole time as soon as it leaves the barrel
crashdummy40 3 months ago
@Inwarwetrustful Almost always. However, with my .308, at 100 yards, my bullet rises just to the line of sight at 100 and then falls away again. At 25 yards my bullet just rises to the line of sight and hits the target - if it were allowed to keep flying, it of course would arc abck down and cross my line of sight in the distance (this can be handy to have one zero for close and far).
ClecknerNSSF 3 months ago
When you are doing the incriments for the scope at the different distances i'm wondering if this would apply to the iron sights on my old British 303 rifle that's set for 200 yards ? I find your videos to be the best i've come across yet and i'm new to the longer distance shooting and eager to learn.
paininthe10 4 months ago
@paininthe10 A MOA adjustment is an MOA adjustment regardless of whether you are using iron sights or a scope. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with your sight so I do not know their units of adjustment.
ClecknerNSSF 3 months ago
Some people just have that nack to teach and instruct! I would say this guy has that "nack" great video and I will be watching everyone I can find on youtube!
hlads66 4 months ago
i think this is a random question, but if say me 270 shoot .5 inc to the left @ 100 yds, would it be 4 inc @ 400yds to the left
rubberduck182 4 months ago
@rubberduck182 No. Remember, ALWAYS think in MOA. 1/2" @ 100 yds is 1/2 MOA. 1/2 MOA @ 400 yds is 2".
ClecknerNSSF 4 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF but it dose get biger yes,, thanks heaps..
rubberduck182 4 months ago
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Is the Sightron SIII 10-50 X 60 lr mil dot a good scope? I was looking into getting a long range scope.
SequelFinalNight 4 months ago
And this is why Rangers Lead The Way! Out Standing !
Apextacticsint 4 months ago
@Apextacticsint All the way! Thanks.
ClecknerNSSF 4 months ago
Darnit, disregard the dislike. Accidentally hit the wrong button. Good vid keep em coming.
Vdubb 4 months ago
absolutely the best explanation ive seen on MOA
GunMe1 4 months ago
so basically 1 MOA 1"@100 2"@200 3"@300 then say 2 MOA would be 2"@100 4"@200 and 6"@300? so as an in field example you have a deer at 300 and your bullet will drop approx 6.8" at 300 then you set your scope for 2.25 MOA to compensate for 6.75" of bullet drop am i correct?
VTGunSnHunting 4 months ago
@VTGunSnHunting Yes, 2.25 MOA would be the proper adjustement as long as the 6.8" of drop at 300 yards is the amount of drop from your scope's zero. However, if you zeroed at 200 yds for some reason, even though the bullet may drop 6.8" when it travels the first 300 yards, it may only drop 3" between 200 and 300 yards. With a 200 yard zero, you would only need to adjust up the additional 1 moa (3") to hit 300 and not the entire 6.8" of drop from the barrel.
ClecknerNSSF 4 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF i sighted in at 100 yards then unlocked my turrets and set them back to zero (without changing the adjustment obviously) is that how i should of done it
VTGunSnHunting 4 months ago
@VTGunSnHunting Exactly right. Now, just adjust up from your zero to compensate for the bullet drop from your 100 yard zero. Some folks will zero at a certain distance and then try to calculate drop from the barrel - it is important to remember that adjustments are all relative from where the scope is set. Looks like you've got it!
ClecknerNSSF 4 months ago
I am not worthy!!! Great video man thanks a lot!!!
frontlines101 4 months ago
MOA for dummies!!!!!!!!! Great vid thank you
MASTERNCS 4 months ago
This video is awesome... that was perfect. Thank you!!! I have never owned a gun, but want to learn how to hunt. I could use some recommendations on a good scope now. Is Leupold the best scopes? I was looking at the VX3 4.5 14x40. I'm wanting to buy a 2011 Model 70 Winchester Extreme Weather SS 308 bolt action rifle - I heard it was the best. I'm guessing the 1MOA click scopes are for shooting people -It would make clicking and shooting more rounds faster, but with less accuracy for bigger tar
SequelFinalNight 4 months ago
@SequelFinalNight The VX3 replaced the Vari x 3 Feb 2004 a good all round scope that tracks well. I had a PR modded one. Best scopes are made by Deon in Japan i have two which make even S&B PM2 look mediocre.
Scopes are a personal thing try as many as you can and avoid the sales patter.
jhareng 4 months ago
@jhareng Sounds like Deon is a top notch, but no one sales them on the internet. Google Shopping Link didn’t even work. Deon website points you to a Dealer company called Kelbly’s in America. Then Kelbly’s redirects you to Deon website when you click the Deon Scope link. Worst marketing I have ever seen. You probably have to call around to locate the scope, which is very bad for customers that want competition for better deals. Looks like it’s more of a specialty insider item, but I will call.
SequelFinalNight 4 months ago
@SequelFinalNight Each scope is hand assembled by one individual not on a production line.
Also Deon dont want to be big i know they are presently stretched and can sell everything they make.
See what you mean about Kelblys linking back to deon.co.jp
UK has a price list and ship to Europe even when they have their own dealers. Not for the faint hearted think S&B PM2 price discounted and about 1/2 again for the X range, nice scopes though only got two but just gone over to a prototype Falcon T50C
jhareng 4 months ago
best video ive seen on moa ...thank you
TheWeelist 5 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF Im getting a range finder so that would make it ez
treverlid87 5 months ago
@treverlid87 Apart from the expensive ones such as Swaro lasers are too easilly fooled. Not uncommon to fool them in to being a good 25% out dependant upon the light.
Better off using the focus (parallax) to determine the range if high mag, should do it any way.
jhareng 4 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF ok say i was shooting 8 inches low at 400 yards i know that its a easy fix but what if im hunting something and know its about300, 400,500 yards away but my gun is zeroed at 100 yards what do i do cuz im not going to shoot ,adjust and shoot again?
treverlid87 5 months ago
@treverlid87 What you are going to do is practice shooting a those distances, write down the elevation required to hit at those distances and refer back to that information when you see a target at that distance again. You must know the distance to the target in order to adjust the proper amount of elevation - when you have another 400 yd target, you know what to do...now, you need to go figure out the rest. Enjoy!
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF i know what an MOA now but say i have my zero at 100 yards and my scope is 1/4 MOA at 100 yards but i want to hit a target at 400 yards and im hitting 8 inches low i know i need to come up 2 MOA which is 8 clicks up, so will i hit the target where i want it to or do i have to do the math with the fps and drop of the bullet , im shooting a 3006 and im using 180gr winchester ammo an how would i do the math
treverlid87 5 months ago
@treverlid87 The beauty of using MOA based on actual hard data - No complex calculations! If you are 8" low at 400 yards, you know you need to come up 2 MOA (if your scope is 1/4 MOA per click) which is up 8 clicks for you. Thats it! This is why I don't like to rely on ballistic calculators - it is irrelevant how fast your bullet is going (or for that matter even what it is doing on its way to the target...it could do loopty loops for all I care)...if it hits 2 MOA low, come up 2 MOA and hit!
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
is 1 MOA 60 clicks? 1 full 360° turn on ur elevation or windage
treverlid87 5 months ago
someone help me ........... is an MOA ...........like say the elevation knob is 60 clicks all the was around if so i think this would help me
treverlid87 5 months ago
@treverlid87 I am concerned that you may not have watched the video (ar at least watched it a few times, followed along with the concepts, and looked at the study guide we linked to in the description). If you have and you are still having trouble, please send me an email an I will do my best to help. [FYI - 1 MOA is appx. 1" per 100yds. Your scope likely adjusts in 1, 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 MOA per click on the scope. My guess for you is 1/4 MOA per click and 15 MOA per revolution.]
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
i think this way is so hard i like my way like ok say my scope is zeroed at 100 yards ok and on my scope its 1/4 at 100 yards so if im 2 inches hi i go 8 clicks down ???
treverlid87 5 months ago
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Why should the peak of the bullet trajectory be at 100 yards ? I shoot a 300 Ultra mag at 3400 fps and bullet stays above the scopes line of sight until 255 yards. So basically at 200 yards the bullet hits 0.2 inches HIGHER than where it would hit at 100 yards because of the upward direction of the barrel. So if I zero in my scope at 100 yards in order to hit something at 200 yards I'd have to shoot 0.2 inches LOWER because the bullet is still on the upward curve.
fuckvegan 5 months ago
Why should the peak of the bullet trajectory be at 100 yards ? I shoot a 300 Ultra mag at 3400 fps and bullet stays above the scopes line of sight until 255 yards. So basically at 200 yards the bullet hits 0.2 inches HIGHER than where it would hit at 100 yards because of the upward direction of the barrel. So if I zero in my scope at 100 yards in order to hit something at 200 yards I'd have to shoot 0.2 inches LOWER because the bullet is still on the upward curve.
fuckvegan 5 months ago
@fuckvegan At 6:22 I specifically give my .308 as the example. As you know, all bullets are falling as soon as they leave the barrel. If your scope is set so the bullet impacts at your point of aim at 255 yards, then yes, the impact will be too high at 200 yards. Although I try not to use ballistics calculators, I do not have a .300 Ultra Mag to try so I must depend on a theoretical answer. My data results are the following for a 100 yards zero on a .300 ultra mag...
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
@fuckvegan ...(continued) .33" low at 50yds, zeroed at 100yds, .59" low at 150yds, and 2.18" low at 200yds. It seems as if your caliber may peak at 100 yards too when zeroed at 100yards. The bullet starts below the scope and for many calibers should just be rising to the scope at whatever distance it is set for 100 yards and beyond. Of course, with a 25yd zero, the bullet will still be rising with most calibers at 25yds (but there is always an excpetion... .22lr for example).
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF What I meant was that a bullet trajectory is a parabola and the scope line of sight is a straight line. The bullets trajectory crosses the scopes line TWICE. So it should be zeroed at two places unless it hits the peak. What your calculator gives is the "drop" of the bullet from when it exits the muzzle. A bullet always drops. But we are interested here in the "gap" between the scopes line and bullets trajectory. If that gap is zero it means you are zeroed there.
fuckvegan 5 months ago
Respond to this video... continued.... If the bullet is zeroed at 100 yards which is fair and I zero mine at 100 as well the bullet will cross and move UP for a short period ABOVE the line of sight. Find out how much it is at 110 yards if you zeroed at 100. I bet it will shoot higher and not lower. Its pretty much impossible to zero at peak at 100 yards with faster bullets because it will cross and go above the line of sight. Now if you zero at say 1000 yards you may hit the peak.
fuckvegan 5 months ago
@fuckvegan I'll give you this - you have me curious. I promise to go out with my 100yd zero and see what happens at 110yds. However, I know that with my 100yd zero, my bullet impacts low at 150 and even lower at 200. As you say, a faster bullet may do otherwise - again, this is why I reference my .308 and try my best in my videos to keep reminding people to go out and try it themselves to see what results they get. With MY .308 on my 100 yd zero...cont.
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
@fuckvegan ....cont...I am about 4 MOA low at 25yds, 1 MOA low at 50 yds, 1/3 MOA low at 75 yds, dead on at 100 yds, 1 MOA low at 150 yds, and 2 MOA low at 200 yds. It is not a "rule" that a bullet must peak at 100 yds and I completely agree that the bullet crosses the line of sight twice (if given the chance to keep flying after a 25 yd target for example) but, in my experience, it only crosses once at 100 yds for MY .308 since it hits higher up to 100 and then starts dropping after ...cont x2
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
@fuckvegan ...cont x2... I really like that you watched the video and are realy thinking about the concepts! If I made it seem as if it was a rule that your bullet must perform in a certain wai in order for these principles to apply, I appoliogize. Keep up the good work and keep shooting!
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
@fuckvegan There is a concept that you don't understand which is confusing you. The bore/ sight intersect is determined by three factors- 1. The range you are zeroed at (where you have pointed the barrel), 2. The measured offset (height) of your sight from your barrel, 3. rate of bullet drop (which is variable depending on the ammunition and the rifle). SUMMARY- The terminal ordinate (peak) zero range the range where the theoretical bullet drop equals the sight offset.
DoPushUps1 3 months ago
@fuckvecan cont1- This specific range will change depending on the rifle, sight mounting, and ammunition used. Zeroing at a range closer or farther than the terminal ordinate zero range will result in 2 sight intersects because the angle of the barrel now causes the terminal ordinate to be higher than the line of sight. Even the flattest shooting gun around is not going to produce a terminal ordinate sight intersect at 1000yds unless you mount the sight a meter or two above the barrel.
DoPushUps1 3 months ago
@fuckvegan Or you have a laser gun, which would rock (and still has a terminal ordinate if it is fired on our planet and not outer space)
DoPushUps1 3 months ago
@DoPushUps1 Wow. I know who I'll be looking for input from for the next video.
ClecknerNSSF 3 months ago
@ClecknerNSSF A bullet has an upward trajectory for a while and will continue to hit ABOVE the line of scope while constantly DROPPING due to gravity. When you zero at a given yard the scopes line of sight intersects the bullets trajectory at that same yard but a ballistic calculator only gives the bullets drop which is erroneous because the bullet is always dropping anyways. Its the difference between the scopes line of sight and the bullets path is what we are interested.
fuckvegan 5 months ago
This is the best MOA demonstration I've ever seen. And this guy was a Sniper, so he knows what he's talking about.
JKendrickProductions 5 months ago
Fantastic, 5 Stars
moviking 5 months ago
How many MOAs is in ONE mil dot?
Daemeon93 5 months ago
@Daemeon93
the Mil-Dot is a range estimating reticle that was developed for military applications. The space between the dot centers subtends one milliradian (Mil). One Mil subtends 3.6" at 100 yards, or 36" at 1,000 yards.
moviking 5 months ago
@moviking - Great answer! @Daemeon93 - We also have a video on "Understanding Mils (Milliradians) that may help you understand the relationsip between Mils and MOA better.
ClecknerNSSF 5 months ago
Great vid
andrademeza 5 months ago
great video.
TheZoelzer2 5 months ago
Very nice job. I appreciate the explaination.
fliefish 5 months ago
Owww... brain... hurts
uberbeers 5 months ago
Good job at describing MOA.
CSTactical1 6 months ago
I love your videos sir. Many thanks for posting. It's a pleasure to hear someone speak who really knows his stuff. That's rare these days in my world. This video about minute of angle is particularly valuable.
gilream 6 months ago
You sir are a great teacher!! Keep up the wonderful videos!!
ridah925 6 months ago
I see why you was a sniper instructor, you really know your stuff, absolutely great video!
Hutzjohn 6 months ago
Even I got it. And I dont speak your language that well. You are great! Many thanks and all the best from Germany.
3rd8th1965 6 months ago
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dogtagx2 6 months ago
HooAhhh !! Great block of instruction !! My PSGT couldnt explain this to me and got frustrated which made me feel frustrated. Your class made so much sense to me, and now I feel I can honestly learn the rest. I am not a sniper, but want to be able to take a shot if I had too....it may save my life, my buddies, or civilians. Your the man !! Rangers may lead the way, but the 82nd Airborne is where most Rangers start from !! Death from Above my friend, and thanks again.
dogtagx2 6 months ago
@dogtagx2 Thanks for the comment and thanks for your service. Feel free to pass our videos along to your CoC (especially Mil and MOA), it may help them teach others and not be frustrated next time.
ClecknerNSSF 6 months ago
Very well explained. Thank you sir
countejac 6 months ago
love how he was about to say downrange for some reason xP
TheCivilianSoldier 6 months ago
finally i get it!!! well explained well done thanks ryan !
DREAMFINISH09 6 months ago
Best MOA video on the 'net ... well done, and thanks!
rossmetacraft 7 months ago
you are the man
xxpoi2nstarxx 7 months ago
Thankyou Mr Cleckner.
SecretTrollAccount1 7 months ago
This is one of the best veidos i've seen on "MINUTE OF ANGLE".
TheRyman247 7 months ago 15
@Atwa023 Your bullet drop will be unique to your set-up...it is always best to get out and see what happens at different distances and record it for future use. However, for a starting point, you can use some free ballistic software to get close to where your bullet may impact. You will most likely always have to fine tune to be exact, but it sure helps to know where an average .300 Win Mag will strike. Hornady, Winchester and Remington all offer tools on their websites.
ClecknerNSSF 7 months ago
So this is what my teachers meant went they said math will help me later in life. lol.
safewaysecurity 7 months ago 21
@safewaysecurity lol, only one of millions of things you can use math for. But yes.
Rusty4ND 5 months ago
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rubberduck182 4 months ago
Great Video Best explination of MOA that I have ever seen... I have read books and tried to find videos and never understood MOA. I feel like now I understand it 10 thousand times better thank you Ryan.
Damack911 8 months ago
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ClecknerNSSF 8 months ago
Ryan I first want to say thank you. I have watched your videos many times. I have one question; My bullet drop is similar to what you show here (308 win). The range i go to is on three ascending levels; 100 yard is level, 200 yards is 10 feet up above it, and 300 yards is 10 feet up above that. (like long steps going back.) I should have a bullet drop of 15" at 300 yards but i only seem to have an 8 inch drop. Is that because i am shooting up 20 feet to get to the targets at 300yards?
craig
craigmelchiano72 8 months ago
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@craigmelchiano72 The angle up is negligible. You are shooting upward less than 1 degree - even at one degree, it would be like shooting 0.999 of the true distance. In your case, the angle makes it seem like 299.7 yards (essentially 1 foot closer). You say we have similar bullet drop, but do you mean we have the same caliber? The same caliber out of a different firearm with different ammo behaves...well...differently. With your numbers, it seems as if you may be zeroed at 200.
ClecknerNSSF 8 months ago
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all right, so just see if I have this right, a 1.5 moa at 100 yads would really end up being 2moa at 300 yards?
bigjohnmlb 8 months ago
@bigjohnmlb If I figured this out right 1.5 MOA @ 100y should be 3 MOA @ 200y and 4.5 MOA @ 300y.
Sledge276 1 month ago
Remember that 1.5 MOA is still 1.5 MOA at any distance. What I said above is in reference to you sighting in your scope at those distances. 1 MOA is about 1 inch at 100y. If you were sighting your scope (depending on the type of gun and amo) at 200y you might go up 2 MOA. I hope I'm making since.
Sledge276 1 month ago
Thank You
Great Video. Very Well Done.
Jerrybassman 9 months ago
What is the barrel length of you rifle? Thanks great video
GalactikCannablism 9 months ago
@GalactikCannablism It is an 18" barrel.
ClecknerNSSF 9 months ago