LOL, on a Pakistani forum I read something (I don't know how reliable) like it will have 180kN/120kN w/o afterburner engines,11:1 thrust/weight ratio, 3D TVC nozzle. Well, with these engines even a bus can supercruise. Where did they copy and improve that? From US PW (maybe through Pakistan) or Russia Lulka? I don't believe this is home made, everything else is quite possible, this thing is real hard.
@anaplastic 3D TVC is not needed, if you have delta canard. Also, TVC will reduce the performance of delta canard. This way this plane can reduce production cost and achieve about the same maneuver ability as f22 but reduce the price to produce a plane. thats why u see even in USA other than F22 everything else does not have TVC. F35B is an exception, because it only points down, it does not increase its maneuverability, it only generate a new kinda of maneuver, like the harrier.
@anaplastic Idk what u r bullshiting about..in the chinese government published website already stated that J20 was using a modified version of WS-10 called WS-10G which they claim to generate 155kN. Also, you see the chinese J10B is using WS-10 series engine on a single engine plane. that just prove that how reliable chinese already are. make no mistake, they are pretty much equal or better than the F110 by GE.
@anaplastic The question is how hard it is to make a Jet engine, I'd say not very hard. They been making Turbo jets for awhile now, and the Britis give the the technology to make turbo fan "sprey 202". so really just need a little improvement and they can make 5th engine for sure. China always saying that they are bad at everything..really? since when was the last time chinese made a engine exploded like the Indian one for LCA? So, dont underestimate your foe bro.
I heard that J20 is only a demonstrator, the production fighter look different from this airframe and sleeker. But it is a great achievement for China's scientists. I think the canard is very challenging for all side stealth capability. J14 is the real pure stealth fighter. J20 is too big for a pure fighter. maybe a multi-role aircraft for long range engagement, especially for Navy strike against Ship thousands of miles away in the sea. The threat for china is from the sea. they know that.
You know how it said "we are great at inventing and improving new technologies"? More like we are great at stealing technology and saying that it is better, in the US and other free-world countries it is people telling you the facts not the government who has stripped away your rights as a human being!
Hmm - Does China knows that the US has been building and flying Stealth for over forty years, So it's only natural that the US has the capabilities to see and track stealth - Can China be that Stupid to build a stealth when it's useless - Oh well
@6308281 what? are you retarded or something? do you even know what stealth is? do you think its something from ninja turtles? you cant just "track" a stealth plane. thats the whole point of it. theres no track-o-stealth-o-meter or track-o-stealth-o-machine. real world is more complicated that x-man or ninja turtles or what the fuck you've been watching on tv.
@GustaviusDeeva the point is - the US knows exactly what it is for the past forty years - Do you actually think that after flying stealths all these decades they don't have the abillity to track it - Hmm it appears China and Russia are way too late to the game - Btw this plane much like the russian plane are far from been Stealth - The desins are flawed
@6308281 the radars can only detect a square meter of pak fa. and thats pretty amazing for a plane. also, theres no "tracking" system. only polished radars.
The J20 is not a copy. Back then the F16 looks like a MiG-29. Its moving with the times. China is the new frontier, USA needs to get back on its feet. Here we are shuffling papers, while China is actually making, producing and selling.
I dont knw if people are simply retarted, doesnt have a creative mind to tell a difference, or brainwashed saying China copied F22 i mean seriously i can see that the design looks different ( who know about the engines but idc lol). Is it cause of the cockpit looks similar?
usa has allways had a leading military :) They allso have the most real combat experience and leading in everything and spending money for what :)??? Is china going to attack usa or something??? or maybe russia??? it has 1000 time shittyer planes :) you fuckin stupid it is just spending money !! and usa is doing right not spending at the moment...first you have to have a economycal balance.... look at those fucking numbers that usa economy produces?? its insane...and still ows china so much :):)
@yokohama50 "usa has always had a leading military"
no.
"They allso have the most real combat experience"
no....
"and leading in everything"
wtf no!
have you ever visited a school that doesnt teach bullshit? a school that teaches real things? have you? usa doesnt lead in everything. japan has the best living standards. russia has the better planes. china isnt in economical crisis every weekend. russia is leading in missiles.europe is leading in gene research.
@GustaviusDeeva Wow -Reality Slap you in the Face - Well here -Watch Chinas decline and get slapped again - LOL you people are so Typical - More like Zombies of sorts
I agree with aklbruce..that drone technology is old..and also, the Chinese cant exactly reproduce a lot of systems because they dont have the material or the processes make it too expensive. Why do you think they can sell a plane like that for 10 million less than Russia...inferior, cheaper materials. Wait until Russia halts the export of engine parts..see how well it flies!
Lol, country which still can't even properly copy old russian AL-31F(4th gen) engine, end buying it from Russian year in year out, tries to develop a 5th gen fighter which obviously copyed from F-22 and Mig-1.44 ...it's just ridiculous...
Who gives a shit what we have "locked" up. I'm sure we have the most advanced technology...the manned plane is a thing of the past. No new technology has a person in a cockpit. Although some other technology provides for that. YouTube comments ...ha....what a joke. I like the guy who responds with "you dumb". Ahh...the future of education and knowledge is bright. I look forward to going back to a primitive ape form. Should have known on a video like this. (well we are purposely dumbed down
Obviously shown to the public to distract from the real stealth fighter they build. This can not be their new technology. This is 1990s maybe tech. I would think China has better scientists and technology than this. (especially now that they own most of the USA's wealth). Where is the real jet? Do u think China would let any moron with a camera film their latest technology? Answer No
@sawink Wow, thats complete bullshit. If thats what you think than what do you say about what we have locked up. The F22 was built in the 1980s, you really think we haven't come up with anything better by now?
@IOMX261 yes, you do get something better, your RQ-170 been shot down by Iran, you know what? this the best tech you got now, your b2, your x-47 all use the same tech, and guess what, the Chinese and Russaians will get the RQ-170 very soon or they already got something, you never know... what you should do is go to chuch and say:" GOD BLESS AMERICA", the one who called god will help you
@aklbruce Ok first of all, the RQ-170 is Not the best tech we have right now. Second of all, the chinese have shitty drones that are exact copies of the drones we've had since 2005, they just got them. And lastly, the UAV wasn't "shot down" it lost connection with the base. The only way to shoot down that type of UAV is with a missile, and the one the Iranians posed with had almost no damage. a missile would've destroyed the thing.
and now, you are talking about how proud you are, you just disgraced all Chinese people in front of the whole world ! i think you should go fuck yourself !
3. and how dare you talking about the train ? the Core Hi-Tech is Germany made inside !
you idiot ! do you know what is more idiot ?
back in 2008 during the world economic crisis , our govt cut a 4 trillion Yuan , saying that they are "rescuing the economy system", but they did nothing but shit, 4 trillion yuan goes to concrete, railway for more high building and train, while hundreds of thousands companies went down before they could get any tax-free compensation..More people lost JOBs!
we want food and jobs, we dont`t wanna no fu*cking weapons !
1. yes, there are many many more high buildings in China, BUT more than 90% of people can`t even afford to pay the rent , no need to mention actually buying it.
2. yes, IBM-Laptop has been taken over buy Chinese com, BUT take a good look at the shitty Thinkpad, it runs like a shit, blue screen.. crash for no reason. most importantly, a great percentage of Chinese people can`t even afford to have it. same goes to Volvo
If you look at it from a top down perspective it looks like a box with wings attached. Russia's T-50 and the United States F-22 are the superior fighters.
oh ,yeah, time to fuck all wests ass es right from today! those who suffered badly like afganistan, iraq, iran and other arab countries,we r brothers, time to kick west ass.
In a head on engagement between usa and china. i honestly think no one will win. usa cant even fuck up Vietcong. how the fuck they gonna win against china.
Why does every video regarding military tech from rival countries end up with people bashing the nation. We're not at war with china, nor are we about to be. Stop insulting other nationals and the image of our own nation and flag with your pre-adolescent commentary.
@neonblueshadow you are a fool if you think the chinese are our friends. You're right, we aren't at war with them and we probably never will be. know why? Their economy, population, and manufacturing capabilities will make us irrelevant in the next 30 years.
@douker . I'm not sure how your comments justify juvenile belittling comments aimed at China even if we're not "friends" with them and your reasons for us becoming irrelevant sounds both defeatist and unrealistic, even if its understandable.
1) China becomes more like us everyday, the new generations have a strong taste of money + luxury and won't want to work at factories forever.
2) In 30 years they won't be making us irrelevant, they'll have more in common with us than any other nation
J20 sucks on long D supersonic cruising, but it is designed for dogfighting with i.e. F-22. After all its aim is to be able to defend China from invaders in defensive operations.
Although I'm Chinese, and very proud of the progress of the air force development. China is still many years behind USA. Next they should come up with is some good UAVs.
@Michael880716 read about the j20... its not projected to be capable of dogfighting f22 or t50. they say it will most likely be used as a strike fighter due to low thrust to weight ratio
@frisbeesman This is a prototype....the engine they used is not even stealth.... in aerodynamics point of view, this craft's geometry posts potentials to out turn F-22 in a dogfight GIVEN a comparable vector thrust engine. However frontal fins of this craft will post HUGE friction in supersonic cruising.
J20 sucks on long D supersonic cruising, but it is designed for dogfighting with i.e. F-22. After all its aim is to be able to defend China from invaders in defensive operations.
Although I'm Chinese, and very proud of the progress of the air force development. China is still many years behind USA. Next they should come up with is some good UAVs.
u copy everything bullshit makes everything easier acting like your smart and big and bad well thats a negative, overrall id say if it came down to it step up or shut up
@skah07 Oh? What do you think then? Name one country China has invaded in the past millennium. Now name all the countries the US has invaded with its military or toppled covertly with the CIA in just the past 100 years. There is no comparison. The US is the hand of Satan, with a military budget nearly the size of all the military budgets of every other country on the planet combined and the US is ALWAYS coming out with new killing machines. Ask yourself, who made and used the first nuke?
@skah07 And don't try to say the US starts wars for humanitarian reasons. For each enemy soldier killed in Vietnam, the US killed 6 civilians and over a million Iraqi civilians have been slain since the invasion. It's all about money and power. Look at all the democratic governments the US has toppled just because the citizens voted for a leader who wouldn't bow down to the US. Salvador Allende is an example. Also, did you know that Iran had a democracy before the US toppled it in the 50s?
The US killed nearly 1.176 million enemy troops in the war. Civilian casualty estimates range from 420,000 to 2.5 million if you include Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam. That is not six dead for every enemy killed even if you use the highest estimates. Not all of these were killed by the US either.
Your Iraq estimates are way off as well.
Documented civilian deaths from violence are
102,592 – 112,119. Again not all killed by the US.
@Gay4Ray his point still stands...there is only ONE country in the world that regularly invades other soveriegn countries with military force. America.
Yanks will have to learn to live in a world where they are no longer able to abuse military power...
If people are saying they stole the parts from the USA and Russia, then just for the Raptor they are going to have to pay 133 million bucks, are they stupid?
@SilverStripe82 i agree in time it will be a gr8 plane but i didnt like wat u said abt it being outdated com on everytime china makes a plane u people say its outdated did u ever see first time f 16 was creted how many times it cracked in the air it was an even more out dated design than any other plane
Beautiful aircraft even tho it's stealth design is a bit out dated. Bigger so it's stealth profile isn't as good, maybe that's what they got that sample of stealth skin off the black hawk! Even so great aircraft, a few more years development and they will crack it. Dont want to go head to head with it, payload is extreme!
"However, Chinese test pilot Xu Yongling said that the J-20 was a "masterpiece" of home-grown innovation, he also said the F-117(Blackhawk) technology was already "outdated" even at the time it was shot down, and could not be applied to a next-generation stealth jet. Janes editor James Hardy agrees that it was unlikely China would have learned much from the wreckage."
@desertmonkey4 16 wars history, 242 millitary conflicts, enough is enough !! Seems u like the gorvmt????
4 million Iraqis now still stuck in Jorden and Syria, became such heavy burden to local economy, no job, no income
1.6 mn died in Iraq bcz lies, the gorvmt propaganda media said " NO CIVILIAN KILLED IN IRAQ" ???
Size Iran's asset since 1980's . now size asset of Lybia asset again, this will cause our credit bancrupt in the international market, u don't care hmmm?
china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, communist kill their against people without any permission necessary, chinese communist party killed historical amount of people, china is perfectly lawless zone for anythings
Why must the US citizen let their government to cut hundred of billions where the government still waste hundred of billions of those stupid wars & weaponry ???? Why must the average American bear the pain where by the super elites still enjoy all the ' benefits/profits' ???? US had spent so much on weaponry and so much on those stupid wars, even if today US stop all the R & D on new weaponry and stop all the wars ... con 't
... she still have to fork out hundred of billions for paying the soldiers salary and for also for maintenance of those weaponry/ equipment.... all these are not cheap. What a nation is having financial crisis/dilemma, which is more important , 1) funds for food ,shelter , education & healthcare or 2) for funds for increasing of weaponry ???????
Russian experts say the Chinese are 10 -15 years behind the US and Russia with this technology. It probably uses very old stealth materials like seen on the F117 Nighthawk. In which case it would be instantly detectable to anyone. Anyway this plane is big, bulky and clearly a piece of garbage
@dafty97 It's is true, China weaponry is about 10-15 years behind US. But by looking the present and future economical situation for both China & US; US is facing the worst economy downturn of the century and China is having the best financial gain of the century, because of the contrast, many experts have second opinion about the 10 -15 years gap.The new projection is China's weaponry shall be par with US within 10 years or less. Apart from this, Chinese average IQ is higher than the American
@But2Star Perhaps, but Chinas military interests are only in its own territory and surrounding areas. They dont seem to have much of an interest in taking on the West or Russia. Personaly i think the US and Russia will always be 10 + years ahead of China. Even in economic down turns they have a reserve fund for the military.
@dafty97 Yes, China's military interest are only more for defending her territory and not for invading others BUT it doesn't mean China will not surpass the western weaponry in the near future. As any superpower ambition, they always want their military/weaponry to be in the top class.
Economy is the main factor behind all things.. especially in weaponry and technologies. Yes, US has reserve fund for her military budget but thing can change if US economy slide further... con 't
Look, US had cut many of her budget and forgo many subsidies yet her economy is not bouncing back. dafty97, watch out for the next 9 hours, when the wall street bells ring in the morning ( monday morning) you will able to see many 'red counters', majorities of the shares will go down ... it shall be an exciting day for the brokers. ( US just lost her rating of creditworthiness from the top AAA rating to AA+). As i said, anything can happened when one lacks financial support.
@dafty97 ... you must not be too optimistic or else you will be locked in a 'dream world'. Everything is already happening right in front of our eyes ... US economy is now in dilemma (not a crisis anymore). In the past decades US economy is going down & down, many remedies had been tried but none is successful. Now the so called the latest remedy ' cutting of budget/subsidies ' , which i don't think it can work because the US citizen will not let your government to do it... WHY ?
@dafty97 your words " Personaly i think the US and Russia will ALWAYS be 10 + years ahead of China. Even in economic down turns they have a reserve fund for the military "
My reply :- The word 'ALWAYS' cannot be applied to in a real world. For example,US ALWAYS thought China will not be a superpower but she did, US ALWAYS thought China will never overtake UK, German & Japan economy but she did. And US ALWAYS thought that she can never lose her AAA status but she did. dafty time to face reality
@dafty97 ... Latest news ...The Metropolitan Police has launched a "major investigation" into the riot in Tottenham which saw attacks on people, fires and looting.Shops and homes were raided and cash machines ripped out in Tottenham. There were also thefts from shops in nearby Wood Green.
UK is used to 'protesting' but never heard of UK protesters engaged in ' stealing and looting' in different areas at the same moment... why is that so now ???? con't
... Because UK is almost facing the same problems as USA. Look at the UK statistics ....Many are jobless .. 1)Youth employment rates in the UK have shrun to their lowest level for 20 years... 2) Fall in unemployment hides lack of permanent work and women bearing the brunt of cuts... 3) Recession hit Midlands workforce hardest.
Because of deep financial crisis, people will tend to rob & steal when opportunities arrived. dafty97, you need to buckle up and get out of your ' dream world '.
@But2Star true said... specially in north... cities like liverpool.... i went there last week... my car's window was smashed..GPS..stolen...MAC book... stolen...
Because of all the squabbling over the debt ceiling by both the Republicans & Democrats, US had somehow lost her credibility, she might even lose her AAA statues to AA+. As a result, In future, less foreigners are willing to buy US loans or they will want more 'guarantee' from US and definitely the buyers want a higher interest. ( It is a kind of a financial plan/policy of any international bankers.... con't ..
con't .. to charge higher interest for those who are squabbling about their repayment
Today, 6 Aug 2011 latest news
Standard & Poor's downgrade of the U.S. government debt rating brought indignation from the Obama administration and finger pointing from leading Democrats and Republicans.Treasury spokeswoman said after S&P went ahead with lowering the debt rating a notch to AA+ from AAA despite a White House claim the ratings agency overstated future federal debt.
Whoever wins this battle, the government's sea of red ink will keep expanding. There is no general agreement on numbers, but the publicly held debt now stands at about $11 trillion. Obama's budget would have pushed the total to around $20 trillion by 2021. Under either the Boehner plan or the Reid plan, it would exceed $17 trillion.
All this screaming and squabbling, and for what? A huge increase in the amount of borrowed funds that you and your descendants will have to repay.
Because of all the squabbling over the debt ceiling by both the Republicans & Democrats, US had somehow lost her credibility, she might even lose her AAA statues to AA+. As a result, In future, less foreigners are willing to buy US loans or they will want more 'guarantee' from US and definitely the buyers want a higher interest. ( It is a kind of a financial plan/policy of any international bankers.... to charge higher interest for those who are squabbling about their repayment.
Office of Foreign Propaganda of China this can fly but stealth I doubt it. Chinese is known to do a lot of propaganda like the top gun clip that they use and the F22 plane that they claimed that was shot down over mainland china.....Another Chinese propaganda
@juan1970541 no f22 was ever shot down what are you talking about? the was never anything like that on chinese tv. i suspect you are getting your information from unreliable sources or rumors.... in that case... you are promoting propaganda against china. Another ignorant person.
@But2Star your such a moron. your word : billions will died as a resulted of nuke and radio active radiation. Who told you any of this country will use Nuke if china use it US already has the technology to intercept ICBM. what does china has ICBM that is not even accurate and cannot hit any target if it does its a lucky shot...ha ha ha LOL maybe a lot of chinese will die if they use nuke ha ha ha lol
@juan1970541 ... So you are such a patriotic American .... A so called American who is 'praying hard for the financial meltdown' so that those who Bet against the the CDO shall become more richer. I, hat off to your brilliant idea.
US financial already trembles by the debt ceiling issue. And if this debt issue cannot be solved in the coming days ... US financial crisis will again hit a rock bottom record .. con't
con't .. Latest news :- "We are almost out of time" for a compromise, warned President Obama as U.S. financial markets trembled at the prospect of economic chaos next week. The Dow Jones average fell for a sixth straight session.
US is already 'half dead' yet this American @juan1970541, is hoping for US economy to further decay so that he can make monies from his "Bet against the the CDO". What a MrPatriotic juan1970541 you are. Again, my hat off to you.
@juan1970541 .. Congratulations to you for having bet heavily on " Bet against the the CDO ". Mr Patriotic juan1970541 ... can you tell us ... how much (millions) did you made from it. What a patriotic person you are ... hoping your country to fall flat so that you can make profits.... are you some kind of ' merchant of venice' or what ?
@juan1970541 Another good news for you ... Economists predict markets could turn volatile before then - at tomorrow’s opening bell - without a deal in place. Lucas Papademos, visiting professor of public policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, said there could be an “abrupt and significant’’ market reaction.
So Mr Patriotic juan, you are just a fantastic American who bet against the GDO hoping US economy will crash so that you make tons of monies... What a blue blood American you are.
con't .... though this cannot be confirmed as Swiss banks do not report their gold stocks) and holds approximately 7,000 metric tons of gold bullion ($335 billion as of April 2011), more than Fort Knox.
The gold is owned by many foreign nations, central banks and international organizations. The Federal Reserve Bank does not own the gold but serves as guardian of the precious metal, which it protects at no charge as a gesture of goodwill to other nations
@But2Star The US has 8,965.6 tons of GOLD So the federal reserve should have more but the question here is where is the gold. Ans. USA so let say a war broke out can china move there gold from the US>..ha ha ha ha ha and still US has the largest gold reserves even if china keeps on buying gold which would cost the price to rise it will still benifit the US. Gold right now is in its own bubble so I don't think its a wise Idea to buy gold. Go for swiss fracs...LOL
@juan1970541 your words " so let say a war broke out can china move there gold from the US>..ha ha ha ha ha ".
OMG! You are most stupid imbecile that i ever came across. If a war broke out between US & China, the whold world fuck up, billions will died as a resulted of nuke and radio active radiation. So what is the point of having gold then.
juan ... frankly speaking, your words are insulting not only my intelligence but others as well.
A public competition for design of the building was held and the architectural firm of York and Sawyer submitted the winning design. The bank moved to its current location in 1924.[6] The Federal Reserve Bank of New York maintains a vault that lies 80 feet below street level and 50 feet below sea level,[7] resting on Manhattan bedrock. By 1927, the vault contained ten percent of the world's official gold reserves.[6] Currently, it is reputedly the largest gold repository in the world ... con't
@juan1970541 ... Mr Professor, at first you made a FOOL out of yourself on the 'Betting against the CDO' will enrich the American and now you are telling the world that US has the most Gold and this double ' comedy ' had made you into a modern day Charlie Chaplin. ROLF !
In reality US government has almost ZERO gold, they already used up their gold decades ago . US currency is worthless. No gold backing and now it is on the way the default their debt ... This green back is a GONER.
@But2Star The why is your government buy bonds from the US if its a GONER ha ha ha ha. Call your Central Propaganda department for more IDEAS cause Zero Gold is just not enough..ha ha ha ha ROFL
@juan1970541 .... frankly speaking, after debating with you for the past week, i find that you are just a 'pretender', you pretend you knows a lot but in actual fact, you don't even knows about your own backward, some many of your idea/opinion are just baseless ... and you been making a MOCKERY out of yourself. You don't even who is happening in your own backyard ... how the fuck can you know about others.... ROFL ! Shame !
@But2Star Acctually I am here at washington already preparing my placards. Common this are all politician just want a deal and don't want to compromise. Well I have already realign my porfolio so I have nothing to worry even if they dont raise the debt ceiling anyway there is no way us will default even if the debt ceiling wont pass there is still 180 billion in revenue..AA+ who will loose china has some bonds in the US...ha hha ha ha LOL
@juan1970541 USA will most probably lose its AAA status, even if the debt ceiling is reach or agreed upon. Now not only that, all future US dept's interest shall be of higher ... meaning US has to pay more interest ... and these interest won't come cheap. 180 billion revenue ? What is 180 billion? it is not enough to feed the soldier alone ?
About the US has the largest Gold Reserve, do you think it belong to US ??????? HO HO HO HO. Stupid imbecile like you have nuts about your backyard.
Beautiful Aircraft. Now all we need is a stealth only mission in which russia, USA and china are needed to work together to defeat some radical international threat.
@But2Star You better ask for a raise from your supervisor cost this is not so worth it. Opps have you heard that our Secretary of State was in Indonesia, first the philippines then vietnam then india then indonesia whats next malaysia. US will be in you shores soon ha ha ha ha they are just probably talking about shushi is better than chinese food or probably preparing for war....ha ha ha LOL
@juan1970541 aka Professor juan, look if Obama can manage to convince the congress to pass the extension of debt ceiling, most probably there won't be a melt down, and those who Bet against the CDO shall be disappointed. But on the other, whether there is a meltdown or no meltdown in US economy, China already made multi billions through investing in Gold. Mr Professor juan... can you enlighten me with any of your new ideas on investment ?
@But2Star Hey Professor who has more GOLD isn't it the US. US has the larges gold reserved in the world and thats not including the Federal Gold reserved..............Ha ha ha ha ha LOL ROFL
@juan1970541... "Uncertainty about the U.S. budget is translating into weaker commodity prices, including oil, today,” said Christopher Bellew, senior broker at Jefferies Bache Ltd. in London.
Even if Congress raises the limit in time to avert a default, Standard & Poor’s might lower the U.S. AAA sovereign credit rating to AA+ with a negative outlook if a deal isn’t accompanied by a “credible solution” on the debt burden." Professor did you fly back to Washington ?
Why spent decade on R & D that cost hundred of billions, where by one can get FOC information. Go around our planet ask any economist or accountant or financial controller... every one will agree with me.
Its obvious, this thing is a frankenstein...pieces from this plane and that plane...Where is the true innovation? Nothing in modern China was invented in or by China. All of "Chinese" technology was sourced from other countries. I gotta say, no one can compete with China when it comes to reverse engineering.
Ever since US started the 2 silly wars, not a day went by without losing billions of dollars. After 11 years down the road, today US is facing the biggest dilemma (not a crisis), and till now, US still can't find any solution to cope up with those multiple problems and ever since Obama took over office, both side had been pointing fingers and strangling one and others, accusing each others of causing this dilemma. But the biggest joke is, many goons out here are still wasting their time ..
@But2Star Your words:, producing some low tech radar that pin point those stealth jets. There you go again another propaganda so your telling me that a low tech radar can detect Stealth fighters and using WW2 Missles. Are you a wake listen to what your saying....ha ha ha LOL
With ease, China's 1st interspace missile hit the target, 'bull eyes' & this send shock waves to the west. A satellite travelling at 865km above earth in 8km per second is not a problem to China, so what is that of some crawling stealth planes (mach 2.5) that travel some ceiling height attitude (30km). That is why few of these slow loris's speed jets have been shot down recently.
Mr Doggie juan1970541, what's your say...oppps sorry,should be, what's your bark. See i never laugh, i just :)
@But2Star Your words : China's 1st interspace missile hit the target, 'bull eyes..Yeah right after 3 try's It could be true that you hit a sattalite but it was a lucky shot and besides you know the location of that satalite..another chinese propaganda. Ha ha ha ha LOL
China laid out plans for its future in space yesterday, unveiling details of an ambitious new space station to be built in orbit within a decade.
The project, which one Nasa adviser describes as a "potent political symbol", is the latest phase in China's rapidly developing space programme. It is less than a decade since China put a human into orbit for the first time, and three years since its first spacewalk.
CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida - A space shuttle left the International Space Station (ISS) for the very last time on Tuesday, heading home to end the 30-year run of a vessel that kept astronauts flying to and from orbit longer than any other US rocketship.
Now that the last shuttle has been retired, It'll be years before NASA flies another manned mission. In the meantime, Americans will still travel into space. But they'll have to rely on the Russians or China ?
@But2Star Youre word:After having a bitter lesson ( of being bullied and colonized by these 8 foreign bullies). You ungrateful piece of prick. Is it not true that China In 1898, the British also gained a 99-year lease under second Convention of Peking. China benifited from the british . China wont be anywhere near where china is today if not for the british. Your so ungrateful you should say thank you to the british....ha ha ha LOL
@juan1970541 US is stopped funding so many things, from space programs, military R&D, health care and had raise taxes, still the unemployment rate is climbing. Today the US politicians ( Democrats & Republicans) are pointing fingers at one another, blaming the other parties of causing the worst US crisis. They even suggest that Postal services to be cut down .. and again many will be jobless. Everyday with failed US is pouring out sad news and imbecile like you are laughing at others?
@But2Star This are just normal for politicians they want some deals but eventually they will pass the debt ceiling and I assure you I will fly to washington next week and protest if this is not pass. We are not like your country that if your having a hard time your government will just say since we have to many people then you are only allowed to have one child. conceive more than one children and will put you in jail....I'm going to enjoy this........ha ha ha ha ROFL
@juan1970541 ... Who the fuck are you, by going to back to Washington will change the course of American biggest dilemma ? What a fucking fool are you ... I can't help but need to laugh on this ... HA HA HA HA.
Even, the Republicans & the Speaker, don't give a damn to Obama, so who the fuck are you. Even God don't seem to side US because all the wars (evil) that the White House had done.
LOL, on a Pakistani forum I read something (I don't know how reliable) like it will have 180kN/120kN w/o afterburner engines,11:1 thrust/weight ratio, 3D TVC nozzle. Well, with these engines even a bus can supercruise. Where did they copy and improve that? From US PW (maybe through Pakistan) or Russia Lulka? I don't believe this is home made, everything else is quite possible, this thing is real hard.
anaplastic 2 weeks ago
@anaplastic 3D TVC is not needed, if you have delta canard. Also, TVC will reduce the performance of delta canard. This way this plane can reduce production cost and achieve about the same maneuver ability as f22 but reduce the price to produce a plane. thats why u see even in USA other than F22 everything else does not have TVC. F35B is an exception, because it only points down, it does not increase its maneuverability, it only generate a new kinda of maneuver, like the harrier.
jack99889988 1 day ago
@anaplastic Idk what u r bullshiting about..in the chinese government published website already stated that J20 was using a modified version of WS-10 called WS-10G which they claim to generate 155kN. Also, you see the chinese J10B is using WS-10 series engine on a single engine plane. that just prove that how reliable chinese already are. make no mistake, they are pretty much equal or better than the F110 by GE.
jack99889988 1 day ago
@anaplastic The question is how hard it is to make a Jet engine, I'd say not very hard. They been making Turbo jets for awhile now, and the Britis give the the technology to make turbo fan "sprey 202". so really just need a little improvement and they can make 5th engine for sure. China always saying that they are bad at everything..really? since when was the last time chinese made a engine exploded like the Indian one for LCA? So, dont underestimate your foe bro.
jack99889988 1 day ago
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This is a mig-1.44 copy
sovietskies69 2 weeks ago
I heard that J20 is only a demonstrator, the production fighter look different from this airframe and sleeker. But it is a great achievement for China's scientists. I think the canard is very challenging for all side stealth capability. J14 is the real pure stealth fighter. J20 is too big for a pure fighter. maybe a multi-role aircraft for long range engagement, especially for Navy strike against Ship thousands of miles away in the sea. The threat for china is from the sea. they know that.
Dragonmantis36 4 weeks ago
You know how it said "we are great at inventing and improving new technologies"? More like we are great at stealing technology and saying that it is better, in the US and other free-world countries it is people telling you the facts not the government who has stripped away your rights as a human being!
82ndairborne100 1 month ago
Its not really TRANSLATED when you think about it is it?
82ndairborne100 1 month ago
Hmm - Does China knows that the US has been building and flying Stealth for over forty years, So it's only natural that the US has the capabilities to see and track stealth - Can China be that Stupid to build a stealth when it's useless - Oh well
6308281 1 month ago
@6308281 what? are you retarded or something? do you even know what stealth is? do you think its something from ninja turtles? you cant just "track" a stealth plane. thats the whole point of it. theres no track-o-stealth-o-meter or track-o-stealth-o-machine. real world is more complicated that x-man or ninja turtles or what the fuck you've been watching on tv.
GustaviusDeeva 1 month ago
@GustaviusDeeva the point is - the US knows exactly what it is for the past forty years - Do you actually think that after flying stealths all these decades they don't have the abillity to track it - Hmm it appears China and Russia are way too late to the game - Btw this plane much like the russian plane are far from been Stealth - The desins are flawed
6308281 1 month ago
@6308281 the radars can only detect a square meter of pak fa. and thats pretty amazing for a plane. also, theres no "tracking" system. only polished radars.
GustaviusDeeva 4 days ago
Hey China Russia says they want thier Mig 1.44 back
6308281 1 month ago
@6308281 hey， tell your mom, we wanna our sperms back
brada11112 1 month ago
@brada11112 Hmm Pretty much says about you - lol
6308281 1 month ago
stop winging, its just a jet
kyle1234worrall 1 month ago
The J20 is not a copy. Back then the F16 looks like a MiG-29. Its moving with the times. China is the new frontier, USA needs to get back on its feet. Here we are shuffling papers, while China is actually making, producing and selling.
raikkonen8 1 month ago
fuck usa
yojelsonrc 2 months ago
China have the neceseray military power to figth against usa, and CHINA IS NOT IN A FUCKING ECONOMICAL CRISIS LIKE THE SHIT OF USA
MrAlfabravo6 2 months ago
I dont knw if people are simply retarted, doesnt have a creative mind to tell a difference, or brainwashed saying China copied F22 i mean seriously i can see that the design looks different ( who know about the engines but idc lol). Is it cause of the cockpit looks similar?
lorf151 2 months ago
@lorf151 dont bother them. they are just trolls who's bored.
GustaviusDeeva 1 month ago
usa has allways had a leading military :) They allso have the most real combat experience and leading in everything and spending money for what :)??? Is china going to attack usa or something??? or maybe russia??? it has 1000 time shittyer planes :) you fuckin stupid it is just spending money !! and usa is doing right not spending at the moment...first you have to have a economycal balance.... look at those fucking numbers that usa economy produces?? its insane...and still ows china so much :):)
yokohama50 2 months ago
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@yokohama50 "usa has always had a leading military"
no.
"They allso have the most real combat experience"
no....
"and leading in everything"
wtf no!
have you ever visited a school that doesnt teach bullshit? a school that teaches real things? have you? usa doesnt lead in everything. japan has the best living standards. russia has the better planes. china isnt in economical crisis every weekend. russia is leading in missiles.europe is leading in gene research.
GustaviusDeeva 1 month ago
@yokohama50 the onlything usa is leading at is prisoning its own population and killing babies and other civilians.
GustaviusDeeva 1 month ago
@GustaviusDeeva maybe you need to watch "why communism fails" and get a little history lesson - FOOL
6308281 1 month ago
@6308281 maybe you need to watch "why you suck dick and eat hamburgers all he time" and get a litle history lesson - bitch
GustaviusDeeva 4 days ago
@GustaviusDeeva Wow -Reality Slap you in the Face - Well here -Watch Chinas decline and get slapped again - LOL you people are so Typical - More like Zombies of sorts
6308281 4 days ago
I agree with aklbruce..that drone technology is old..and also, the Chinese cant exactly reproduce a lot of systems because they dont have the material or the processes make it too expensive. Why do you think they can sell a plane like that for 10 million less than Russia...inferior, cheaper materials. Wait until Russia halts the export of engine parts..see how well it flies!
1077Junior 2 months ago
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Lol, country which still can't even properly copy old russian AL-31F(4th gen) engine, end buying it from Russian year in year out, tries to develop a 5th gen fighter which obviously copyed from F-22 and Mig-1.44 ...it's just ridiculous...
Viruner 2 months ago
again russia rap america same in cuba vietnam and korea
i love yankee jealous comment but he colmpletly crazy when i see this but you never changed history pak-fa and j-20 is coming
TATARSTAN59500 2 months ago
China will win US in the end, not only in okonomy also military!
Let`s wait and see!
eteaching1 3 months ago
@eteaching1 I find it funny how you promote war. You must be 8 years old.
OilTank5 2 months ago
Better than Fuck-22. lol~
Chinesepower1000 3 months ago
@Chinesepower1000 ....No it isn't and you fucking know it PLA wannabe boy!
11B30Inf 3 months ago
Who gives a shit what we have "locked" up. I'm sure we have the most advanced technology...the manned plane is a thing of the past. No new technology has a person in a cockpit. Although some other technology provides for that. YouTube comments ...ha....what a joke. I like the guy who responds with "you dumb". Ahh...the future of education and knowledge is bright. I look forward to going back to a primitive ape form. Should have known on a video like this. (well we are purposely dumbed down
sawink 3 months ago
Great a YouTube comment. I must be a moron
sawink 3 months ago
Obviously shown to the public to distract from the real stealth fighter they build. This can not be their new technology. This is 1990s maybe tech. I would think China has better scientists and technology than this. (especially now that they own most of the USA's wealth). Where is the real jet? Do u think China would let any moron with a camera film their latest technology? Answer No
sawink 3 months ago
@sawink rofl you dumb
frisbeesman 3 months ago
@sawink Wow, thats complete bullshit. If thats what you think than what do you say about what we have locked up. The F22 was built in the 1980s, you really think we haven't come up with anything better by now?
IOMX261 3 months ago
@IOMX261 yes, you do get something better, your RQ-170 been shot down by Iran, you know what? this the best tech you got now, your b2, your x-47 all use the same tech, and guess what, the Chinese and Russaians will get the RQ-170 very soon or they already got something, you never know... what you should do is go to chuch and say:" GOD BLESS AMERICA", the one who called god will help you
aklbruce 2 months ago
@aklbruce Ok first of all, the RQ-170 is Not the best tech we have right now. Second of all, the chinese have shitty drones that are exact copies of the drones we've had since 2005, they just got them. And lastly, the UAV wasn't "shot down" it lost connection with the base. The only way to shoot down that type of UAV is with a missile, and the one the Iranians posed with had almost no damage. a missile would've destroyed the thing.
IOMX261 2 months ago
@IOMX261 GOD BLESS AMERICA
aklbruce 2 months ago
I am a chinese !That guy who upload the it is sick. I want kick his ass.
ganvinalix 3 months ago
Wow.... @_@
manuellcamelo 3 months ago
VIDEO: 2YR OLD Chinese Girl getting Ruthlessly Run Over Twice - BYSTANDERS do nothing to help her
Outrage in China after toddler run over, ignored 'VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED'
cyber888boy 4 months ago
Ysowik?
medjaiii 4 months ago
I am chinese, but I don't like chinese ppl at all. They are totally selfish and greedy. !!!!
cyber888boy 4 months ago
@cyber888boy that's cause u r a dumb ass
ucirat 4 months ago
and now, you are talking about how proud you are, you just disgraced all Chinese people in front of the whole world ! i think you should go fuck yourself !
BMWoX6 4 months ago
3. and how dare you talking about the train ? the Core Hi-Tech is Germany made inside !
you idiot ! do you know what is more idiot ?
back in 2008 during the world economic crisis , our govt cut a 4 trillion Yuan , saying that they are "rescuing the economy system", but they did nothing but shit, 4 trillion yuan goes to concrete, railway for more high building and train, while hundreds of thousands companies went down before they could get any tax-free compensation..More people lost JOBs!
BMWoX6 4 months ago
we want food and jobs, we dont`t wanna no fu*cking weapons !
1. yes, there are many many more high buildings in China, BUT more than 90% of people can`t even afford to pay the rent , no need to mention actually buying it.
2. yes, IBM-Laptop has been taken over buy Chinese com, BUT take a good look at the shitty Thinkpad, it runs like a shit, blue screen.. crash for no reason. most importantly, a great percentage of Chinese people can`t even afford to have it. same goes to Volvo
BMWoX6 4 months ago
Where the fuck is translation ???
liquidxblades 4 months ago
looks like that chinese can make some good stuff too once in a while. i should have a big label on the bottom ''Made In China"
plavins1 4 months ago
If you look at it from a top down perspective it looks like a box with wings attached. Russia's T-50 and the United States F-22 are the superior fighters.
junkers1337 4 months ago
@junkers1337
Idiot.
terrorfalc 3 months ago
oh ,yeah, time to fuck all wests ass es right from today! those who suffered badly like afganistan, iraq, iran and other arab countries,we r brothers, time to kick west ass.
yingyu0502 4 months ago
Another fake Gucci bag was made by Chinese people. But this time this fake Gucci bag looks little like F-22 Raptor....LOL
KatiushaVN4 4 months ago
In a head on engagement between usa and china. i honestly think no one will win. usa cant even fuck up Vietcong. how the fuck they gonna win against china.
eternalobi 4 months ago
the chinese cannot be trusted.... and will cut the throat of anyone that becomes ther allies...
WTFscottsman 4 months ago
@WTFscottsman the Chinese can not be trusted? give me some reasons
dilegentelectron 4 months ago
The F-22 will spank its ass....
WTFscottsman 4 months ago
lol...ur "high speed train" crashed in july this year and tinhae 1 is not the fastest computer, Japan's "K computer" is.
PartyAllSeason 4 months ago
the end scares me, china will beat us very soon at everything D:
salakast 5 months ago
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neonblueshadow 5 months ago
LOL looks like an old MIG-29 covered in black paint. Its probably put together using H1 and H3 parts from the HMMWV plant they bought!
Northspadeniggaz 5 months ago
@Northspadeniggaz i see barely any similarity
salakast 5 months ago
@danglecd Clearly technology might are shifting to the east, especially east asia.
World best mobile phone is Samsung galaxy >Iphone SUX.
World Longest bridge :Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge in china (164,800 m)
world fastest internet speed : Comes from south korea (Fiber optic: 200mbps)
World best green vehicle : TOYOTA prius, unlike most stupid european car that suck so much petrol to drain the earth oil !
Clearly son, you got no clue of what u are talking !
ussr2581990 5 months ago
Chinese people are stupid!
danglecd 5 months ago
@danglecd Clearly technology might are shifting to the east, especially east asia.
World best mobile phone is Samsung galaxy >Iphone SUX.
World Longest bridge :Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge in china (164,800 m)
world fastest internet speed : Comes from south korea (Fiber optic: 200mbps)
World best green vehicle : TOYOTA prius, unlike most stupid european car that suck so much petrol to drain the earth oil !
Clearly son, you got no clue of what u are talking !
ussr2581990 5 months ago
Why does every video regarding military tech from rival countries end up with people bashing the nation. We're not at war with china, nor are we about to be. Stop insulting other nationals and the image of our own nation and flag with your pre-adolescent commentary.
neonblueshadow 5 months ago
@neonblueshadow you are a fool if you think the chinese are our friends. You're right, we aren't at war with them and we probably never will be. know why? Their economy, population, and manufacturing capabilities will make us irrelevant in the next 30 years.
douker 5 months ago
@douker . I'm not sure how your comments justify juvenile belittling comments aimed at China even if we're not "friends" with them and your reasons for us becoming irrelevant sounds both defeatist and unrealistic, even if its understandable.
1) China becomes more like us everyday, the new generations have a strong taste of money + luxury and won't want to work at factories forever.
2) In 30 years they won't be making us irrelevant, they'll have more in common with us than any other nation
neonblueshadow 5 months ago
lol that roc reminds me of a 172. thats cute china
frisbeesman 5 months ago
J20 sucks on long D supersonic cruising, but it is designed for dogfighting with i.e. F-22. After all its aim is to be able to defend China from invaders in defensive operations.
Although I'm Chinese, and very proud of the progress of the air force development. China is still many years behind USA. Next they should come up with is some good UAVs.
Michael880716 5 months ago
@Michael880716 read about the j20... its not projected to be capable of dogfighting f22 or t50. they say it will most likely be used as a strike fighter due to low thrust to weight ratio
frisbeesman 5 months ago
@frisbeesman This is a prototype....the engine they used is not even stealth.... in aerodynamics point of view, this craft's geometry posts potentials to out turn F-22 in a dogfight GIVEN a comparable vector thrust engine. However frontal fins of this craft will post HUGE friction in supersonic cruising.
Michael880716 5 months ago
J20 sucks on long D supersonic cruising, but it is designed for dogfighting with i.e. F-22. After all its aim is to be able to defend China from invaders in defensive operations.
Although I'm Chinese, and very proud of the progress of the air force development. China is still many years behind USA. Next they should come up with is some good UAVs.
Michael880716 5 months ago
damn you guys just need to chill
dameion75 5 months ago
Thumbs up if your sick of trash comments, and just want to watch great war plans no matter where there from
dameion75 5 months ago
u copy everything bullshit makes everything easier acting like your smart and big and bad well thats a negative, overrall id say if it came down to it step up or shut up
nickdavis281 5 months ago
building war machines for what? .. for peace?. .
skah07 5 months ago
@skah07 And who can blame them after the "are you with me or against me" speech of Mr. George W Bush
NintendoKilledAtari 5 months ago
@skah07 To defend itself against the fascist military machine across the Pacific maybe?
SoloWing808 5 months ago
@SoloWing808 i dont think so ..
skah07 5 months ago
@skah07 Oh? What do you think then? Name one country China has invaded in the past millennium. Now name all the countries the US has invaded with its military or toppled covertly with the CIA in just the past 100 years. There is no comparison. The US is the hand of Satan, with a military budget nearly the size of all the military budgets of every other country on the planet combined and the US is ALWAYS coming out with new killing machines. Ask yourself, who made and used the first nuke?
SoloWing808 5 months ago
@skah07 And don't try to say the US starts wars for humanitarian reasons. For each enemy soldier killed in Vietnam, the US killed 6 civilians and over a million Iraqi civilians have been slain since the invasion. It's all about money and power. Look at all the democratic governments the US has toppled just because the citizens voted for a leader who wouldn't bow down to the US. Salvador Allende is an example. Also, did you know that Iran had a democracy before the US toppled it in the 50s?
SoloWing808 5 months ago
@SoloWing808 okay sir thankyou for the information .. =)
skah07 5 months ago
@SoloWing808
Your Vietnam stats are highly exaggerated.
The US killed nearly 1.176 million enemy troops in the war. Civilian casualty estimates range from 420,000 to 2.5 million if you include Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam. That is not six dead for every enemy killed even if you use the highest estimates. Not all of these were killed by the US either.
Your Iraq estimates are way off as well.
Documented civilian deaths from violence are
102,592 – 112,119. Again not all killed by the US.
Gay4Ray 5 months ago
@Gay4Ray his point still stands...there is only ONE country in the world that regularly invades other soveriegn countries with military force. America.
Yanks will have to learn to live in a world where they are no longer able to abuse military power...
SirHungryHippo 5 months ago
If people are saying they stole the parts from the USA and Russia, then just for the Raptor they are going to have to pay 133 million bucks, are they stupid?
SoquilliFan 5 months ago
@SilverStripe82 i agree in time it will be a gr8 plane but i didnt like wat u said abt it being outdated com on everytime china makes a plane u people say its outdated did u ever see first time f 16 was creted how many times it cracked in the air it was an even more out dated design than any other plane
archerzeeshu 6 months ago
Beautiful aircraft even tho it's stealth design is a bit out dated. Bigger so it's stealth profile isn't as good, maybe that's what they got that sample of stealth skin off the black hawk! Even so great aircraft, a few more years development and they will crack it. Dont want to go head to head with it, payload is extreme!
SilverStripe82 6 months ago
@SilverStripe82
"However, Chinese test pilot Xu Yongling said that the J-20 was a "masterpiece" of home-grown innovation, he also said the F-117(Blackhawk) technology was already "outdated" even at the time it was shot down, and could not be applied to a next-generation stealth jet. Janes editor James Hardy agrees that it was unlikely China would have learned much from the wreckage."
seraphimo7 5 months ago
How are Stealth Fighters going stop global warming?
mosquito103 6 months ago
dog CHINA.....CHINA is shit.....dog CHINA...
teakwondo1990qn 6 months ago
@teakwondo1990qn vietnam has to eat their own shit to survive. hahahaha. ugly ass motherfuckers
ervin920 6 months ago
@teakwondo1990qn be afraid. dog.
jetfightercn 6 months ago
China made Walmart Toy !
dmttsn 6 months ago
Russian Pak Fa range 5,300km, i think Chinese jet range is longer
Their GDP now is 11.2 trillion. next years or two will surpass z U.S
If they build large number, pacific fleet will withdraw to Hawaii base
Which is GREAT, NO MORE FXXX WAR, U.S has 16 wars history, 242 millitary conflicts, enough is enough !!
energyalt56 6 months ago
@energyalt56 Then go do something about it, stop bitching on Youtube
desertmonkey4 6 months ago
@desertmonkey4 16 wars history, 242 millitary conflicts, enough is enough !! Seems u like the gorvmt????
4 million Iraqis now still stuck in Jorden and Syria, became such heavy burden to local economy, no job, no income
1.6 mn died in Iraq bcz lies, the gorvmt propaganda media said " NO CIVILIAN KILLED IN IRAQ" ???
Size Iran's asset since 1980's . now size asset of Lybia asset again, this will cause our credit bancrupt in the international market, u don't care hmmm?
energyalt56 6 months ago
The head looks similar to the sukoi, and the wings the F22. Interesting.
Im sure there are plenty of difference, but that right there I thought was interesting.
dardonZ 6 months ago
The Bhudda says "stop wanting stupid shit"
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zhuangBility0 6 months ago
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china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, communist kill their against people without any permission necessary, chinese communist party killed historical amount of people, china is perfectly lawless zone for anythings
77777XYZ 6 months ago
Why must the US citizen let their government to cut hundred of billions where the government still waste hundred of billions of those stupid wars & weaponry ???? Why must the average American bear the pain where by the super elites still enjoy all the ' benefits/profits' ???? US had spent so much on weaponry and so much on those stupid wars, even if today US stop all the R & D on new weaponry and stop all the wars ... con 't
But2Star 6 months ago
... she still have to fork out hundred of billions for paying the soldiers salary and for also for maintenance of those weaponry/ equipment.... all these are not cheap. What a nation is having financial crisis/dilemma, which is more important , 1) funds for food ,shelter , education & healthcare or 2) for funds for increasing of weaponry ???????
But2Star 6 months ago
Russian experts say the Chinese are 10 -15 years behind the US and Russia with this technology. It probably uses very old stealth materials like seen on the F117 Nighthawk. In which case it would be instantly detectable to anyone. Anyway this plane is big, bulky and clearly a piece of garbage
dafty97 6 months ago
@dafty97 It's is true, China weaponry is about 10-15 years behind US. But by looking the present and future economical situation for both China & US; US is facing the worst economy downturn of the century and China is having the best financial gain of the century, because of the contrast, many experts have second opinion about the 10 -15 years gap.The new projection is China's weaponry shall be par with US within 10 years or less. Apart from this, Chinese average IQ is higher than the American
But2Star 6 months ago
@But2Star Perhaps, but Chinas military interests are only in its own territory and surrounding areas. They dont seem to have much of an interest in taking on the West or Russia. Personaly i think the US and Russia will always be 10 + years ahead of China. Even in economic down turns they have a reserve fund for the military.
dafty97 6 months ago
@dafty97 Yes, China's military interest are only more for defending her territory and not for invading others BUT it doesn't mean China will not surpass the western weaponry in the near future. As any superpower ambition, they always want their military/weaponry to be in the top class.
Economy is the main factor behind all things.. especially in weaponry and technologies. Yes, US has reserve fund for her military budget but thing can change if US economy slide further... con 't
But2Star 6 months ago
Look, US had cut many of her budget and forgo many subsidies yet her economy is not bouncing back. dafty97, watch out for the next 9 hours, when the wall street bells ring in the morning ( monday morning) you will able to see many 'red counters', majorities of the shares will go down ... it shall be an exciting day for the brokers. ( US just lost her rating of creditworthiness from the top AAA rating to AA+). As i said, anything can happened when one lacks financial support.
But2Star 6 months ago
@dafty97 ... you must not be too optimistic or else you will be locked in a 'dream world'. Everything is already happening right in front of our eyes ... US economy is now in dilemma (not a crisis anymore). In the past decades US economy is going down & down, many remedies had been tried but none is successful. Now the so called the latest remedy ' cutting of budget/subsidies ' , which i don't think it can work because the US citizen will not let your government to do it... WHY ?
But2Star 6 months ago
@dafty97 your words " Personaly i think the US and Russia will ALWAYS be 10 + years ahead of China. Even in economic down turns they have a reserve fund for the military "
My reply :- The word 'ALWAYS' cannot be applied to in a real world. For example,US ALWAYS thought China will not be a superpower but she did, US ALWAYS thought China will never overtake UK, German & Japan economy but she did. And US ALWAYS thought that she can never lose her AAA status but she did. dafty time to face reality
But2Star 6 months ago
@dafty97 ... Latest news ...The Metropolitan Police has launched a "major investigation" into the riot in Tottenham which saw attacks on people, fires and looting.Shops and homes were raided and cash machines ripped out in Tottenham. There were also thefts from shops in nearby Wood Green.
UK is used to 'protesting' but never heard of UK protesters engaged in ' stealing and looting' in different areas at the same moment... why is that so now ???? con't
But2Star 6 months ago
... Because UK is almost facing the same problems as USA. Look at the UK statistics ....Many are jobless .. 1)Youth employment rates in the UK have shrun to their lowest level for 20 years... 2) Fall in unemployment hides lack of permanent work and women bearing the brunt of cuts... 3) Recession hit Midlands workforce hardest.
Because of deep financial crisis, people will tend to rob & steal when opportunities arrived. dafty97, you need to buckle up and get out of your ' dream world '.
But2Star 6 months ago
@But2Star true said... specially in north... cities like liverpool.... i went there last week... my car's window was smashed..GPS..stolen...MAC book... stolen...
Rico1233liu 6 months ago
One week ago, i wrote the below ...
My opinion
Because of all the squabbling over the debt ceiling by both the Republicans & Democrats, US had somehow lost her credibility, she might even lose her AAA statues to AA+. As a result, In future, less foreigners are willing to buy US loans or they will want more 'guarantee' from US and definitely the buyers want a higher interest. ( It is a kind of a financial plan/policy of any international bankers.... con't ..
But2Star 6 months ago
con't .. to charge higher interest for those who are squabbling about their repayment
Today, 6 Aug 2011 latest news
Standard & Poor's downgrade of the U.S. government debt rating brought indignation from the Obama administration and finger pointing from leading Democrats and Republicans.Treasury spokeswoman said after S&P went ahead with lowering the debt rating a notch to AA+ from AAA despite a White House claim the ratings agency overstated future federal debt.
Juan1970541 where are u?
But2Star 6 months ago
Chicago Tribune
Whoever wins this battle, the government's sea of red ink will keep expanding. There is no general agreement on numbers, but the publicly held debt now stands at about $11 trillion. Obama's budget would have pushed the total to around $20 trillion by 2021. Under either the Boehner plan or the Reid plan, it would exceed $17 trillion.
All this screaming and squabbling, and for what? A huge increase in the amount of borrowed funds that you and your descendants will have to repay.
But2Star 7 months ago
My opinion
Because of all the squabbling over the debt ceiling by both the Republicans & Democrats, US had somehow lost her credibility, she might even lose her AAA statues to AA+. As a result, In future, less foreigners are willing to buy US loans or they will want more 'guarantee' from US and definitely the buyers want a higher interest. ( It is a kind of a financial plan/policy of any international bankers.... to charge higher interest for those who are squabbling about their repayment.
But2Star 7 months ago
Latest News :- Apple holding more cash than USA
Apple now has more cash to spend than the United States government.
Latest figures from the US Treasury Department show that the country has an operating cash balance of $73.7bn (£45.3bn).
Apple's most recent financial results put its reserves at $76.4bn.
The United States is currently spending around $200bn more than it collects in revenue every month.
*So it looks like, China can overtake US much sooner that one expected.
But2Star 7 months ago
Office of Foreign Propaganda of China this can fly but stealth I doubt it. Chinese is known to do a lot of propaganda like the top gun clip that they use and the F22 plane that they claimed that was shot down over mainland china.....Another Chinese propaganda
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 no f22 was ever shot down what are you talking about? the was never anything like that on chinese tv. i suspect you are getting your information from unreliable sources or rumors.... in that case... you are promoting propaganda against china. Another ignorant person.
AndroidGZS 7 months ago
So its chineese, that means its probably painted with lead paint right?
creitz91 7 months ago
@But2Star your such a moron. your word : billions will died as a resulted of nuke and radio active radiation. Who told you any of this country will use Nuke if china use it US already has the technology to intercept ICBM. what does china has ICBM that is not even accurate and cannot hit any target if it does its a lucky shot...ha ha ha LOL maybe a lot of chinese will die if they use nuke ha ha ha lol
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 frankly speaking, your words are insulting not only my intelligence but others as well.,
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star Why am I insulting your intelligence, Do you have any intelligence....ha ha ha ha LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 ... So you are such a patriotic American .... A so called American who is 'praying hard for the financial meltdown' so that those who Bet against the the CDO shall become more richer. I, hat off to your brilliant idea.
US financial already trembles by the debt ceiling issue. And if this debt issue cannot be solved in the coming days ... US financial crisis will again hit a rock bottom record .. con't
But2Star 7 months ago
con't .. Latest news :- "We are almost out of time" for a compromise, warned President Obama as U.S. financial markets trembled at the prospect of economic chaos next week. The Dow Jones average fell for a sixth straight session.
US is already 'half dead' yet this American @juan1970541, is hoping for US economy to further decay so that he can make monies from his "Bet against the the CDO". What a MrPatriotic juan1970541 you are. Again, my hat off to you.
But2Star 7 months ago
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@juan1970541 .. Congratulations to you for having bet heavily on " Bet against the the CDO ". Mr Patriotic juan1970541 ... can you tell us ... how much (millions) did you made from it. What a patriotic person you are ... hoping your country to fall flat so that you can make profits.... are you some kind of ' merchant of venice' or what ?
But2Star 7 months ago
@juan1970541 Another good news for you ... Economists predict markets could turn volatile before then - at tomorrow’s opening bell - without a deal in place. Lucas Papademos, visiting professor of public policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, said there could be an “abrupt and significant’’ market reaction.
So Mr Patriotic juan, you are just a fantastic American who bet against the GDO hoping US economy will crash so that you make tons of monies... What a blue blood American you are.
But2Star 7 months ago
con't .... though this cannot be confirmed as Swiss banks do not report their gold stocks) and holds approximately 7,000 metric tons of gold bullion ($335 billion as of April 2011), more than Fort Knox.
The gold is owned by many foreign nations, central banks and international organizations. The Federal Reserve Bank does not own the gold but serves as guardian of the precious metal, which it protects at no charge as a gesture of goodwill to other nations
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star The US has 8,965.6 tons of GOLD So the federal reserve should have more but the question here is where is the gold. Ans. USA so let say a war broke out can china move there gold from the US>..ha ha ha ha ha and still US has the largest gold reserves even if china keeps on buying gold which would cost the price to rise it will still benifit the US. Gold right now is in its own bubble so I don't think its a wise Idea to buy gold. Go for swiss fracs...LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 your words " so let say a war broke out can china move there gold from the US>..ha ha ha ha ha ".
OMG! You are most stupid imbecile that i ever came across. If a war broke out between US & China, the whold world fuck up, billions will died as a resulted of nuke and radio active radiation. So what is the point of having gold then.
juan ... frankly speaking, your words are insulting not only my intelligence but others as well.
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star And again China Chickened Out with the US spy plane in taiwan.....
ROFL ha ha hah
juan1970541 7 months ago
A public competition for design of the building was held and the architectural firm of York and Sawyer submitted the winning design. The bank moved to its current location in 1924.[6] The Federal Reserve Bank of New York maintains a vault that lies 80 feet below street level and 50 feet below sea level,[7] resting on Manhattan bedrock. By 1927, the vault contained ten percent of the world's official gold reserves.[6] Currently, it is reputedly the largest gold repository in the world ... con't
But2Star 7 months ago
@juan1970541 ... Mr Professor, at first you made a FOOL out of yourself on the 'Betting against the CDO' will enrich the American and now you are telling the world that US has the most Gold and this double ' comedy ' had made you into a modern day Charlie Chaplin. ROLF !
In reality US government has almost ZERO gold, they already used up their gold decades ago . US currency is worthless. No gold backing and now it is on the way the default their debt ... This green back is a GONER.
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star The why is your government buy bonds from the US if its a GONER ha ha ha ha. Call your Central Propaganda department for more IDEAS cause Zero Gold is just not enough..ha ha ha ha ROFL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 .... frankly speaking, after debating with you for the past week, i find that you are just a 'pretender', you pretend you knows a lot but in actual fact, you don't even knows about your own backward, some many of your idea/opinion are just baseless ... and you been making a MOCKERY out of yourself. You don't even who is happening in your own backyard ... how the fuck can you know about others.... ROFL ! Shame !
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star Is that what the Central Propaganda Department of china told you to say...ha ha ha ha
juan1970541 7 months ago
@But2Star Acctually I am here at washington already preparing my placards. Common this are all politician just want a deal and don't want to compromise. Well I have already realign my porfolio so I have nothing to worry even if they dont raise the debt ceiling anyway there is no way us will default even if the debt ceiling wont pass there is still 180 billion in revenue..AA+ who will loose china has some bonds in the US...ha hha ha ha LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 USA will most probably lose its AAA status, even if the debt ceiling is reach or agreed upon. Now not only that, all future US dept's interest shall be of higher ... meaning US has to pay more interest ... and these interest won't come cheap. 180 billion revenue ? What is 180 billion? it is not enough to feed the soldier alone ?
About the US has the largest Gold Reserve, do you think it belong to US ??????? HO HO HO HO. Stupid imbecile like you have nuts about your backyard.
But2Star 7 months ago
@ 1:13 wow, it really is stealth...oh wait, the camera is just out of focus! :-P
twistednormal 7 months ago
Beautiful Aircraft. Now all we need is a stealth only mission in which russia, USA and china are needed to work together to defeat some radical international threat.
grah55 7 months ago
@But2Star You better ask for a raise from your supervisor cost this is not so worth it. Opps have you heard that our Secretary of State was in Indonesia, first the philippines then vietnam then india then indonesia whats next malaysia. US will be in you shores soon ha ha ha ha they are just probably talking about shushi is better than chinese food or probably preparing for war....ha ha ha LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 Hmmmmm ... how come no more barks ? Why didn't he says " i love bitches" .. anymore ? lol.
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star Hmmmmm.... I am quite busy lately but don't worry I will check the blog all the time...I know you miss me....Ha ha ha ha LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 aka Professor juan, look if Obama can manage to convince the congress to pass the extension of debt ceiling, most probably there won't be a melt down, and those who Bet against the CDO shall be disappointed. But on the other, whether there is a meltdown or no meltdown in US economy, China already made multi billions through investing in Gold. Mr Professor juan... can you enlighten me with any of your new ideas on investment ?
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star Hey Professor who has more GOLD isn't it the US. US has the larges gold reserved in the world and thats not including the Federal Gold reserved..............Ha ha ha ha ha LOL ROFL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541... "Uncertainty about the U.S. budget is translating into weaker commodity prices, including oil, today,” said Christopher Bellew, senior broker at Jefferies Bache Ltd. in London.
Even if Congress raises the limit in time to avert a default, Standard & Poor’s might lower the U.S. AAA sovereign credit rating to AA+ with a negative outlook if a deal isn’t accompanied by a “credible solution” on the debt burden." Professor did you fly back to Washington ?
But2Star 7 months ago
Why spent decade on R & D that cost hundred of billions, where by one can get FOC information. Go around our planet ask any economist or accountant or financial controller... every one will agree with me.
But2Star 7 months ago
Its obvious, this thing is a frankenstein...pieces from this plane and that plane...Where is the true innovation? Nothing in modern China was invented in or by China. All of "Chinese" technology was sourced from other countries. I gotta say, no one can compete with China when it comes to reverse engineering.
Papatee7170 7 months ago
Ever since US started the 2 silly wars, not a day went by without losing billions of dollars. After 11 years down the road, today US is facing the biggest dilemma (not a crisis), and till now, US still can't find any solution to cope up with those multiple problems and ever since Obama took over office, both side had been pointing fingers and strangling one and others, accusing each others of causing this dilemma. But the biggest joke is, many goons out here are still wasting their time ..
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star Your words:, producing some low tech radar that pin point those stealth jets. There you go again another propaganda so your telling me that a low tech radar can detect Stealth fighters and using WW2 Missles. Are you a wake listen to what your saying....ha ha ha LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
BBC News 2007
China confirms satellite downed
The missile was reportedly launched from near Xichang Space Centre
China has confirmed it carried out a test that destroyed a satellite, in a move that caused international alarm.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said a test had been carried out but insisted China was committed to the "peaceful development of outer space
The satellite was then at travelling 865 km above earth at the speed of 8km per second.
But2Star 7 months ago
With ease, China's 1st interspace missile hit the target, 'bull eyes' & this send shock waves to the west. A satellite travelling at 865km above earth in 8km per second is not a problem to China, so what is that of some crawling stealth planes (mach 2.5) that travel some ceiling height attitude (30km). That is why few of these slow loris's speed jets have been shot down recently.
Mr Doggie juan1970541, what's your say...oppps sorry,should be, what's your bark. See i never laugh, i just :)
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star Your words : China's 1st interspace missile hit the target, 'bull eyes..Yeah right after 3 try's It could be true that you hit a sattalite but it was a lucky shot and besides you know the location of that satalite..another chinese propaganda. Ha ha ha ha LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
Tania Branigan in Beijing and Ian Sample
guardian.co.uk, 26 April 2011 19.02 BST
China laid out plans for its future in space yesterday, unveiling details of an ambitious new space station to be built in orbit within a decade.
The project, which one Nasa adviser describes as a "potent political symbol", is the latest phase in China's rapidly developing space programme. It is less than a decade since China put a human into orbit for the first time, and three years since its first spacewalk.
But2Star 7 months ago
Due to US WORST financial crisis ...
CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida - A space shuttle left the International Space Station (ISS) for the very last time on Tuesday, heading home to end the 30-year run of a vessel that kept astronauts flying to and from orbit longer than any other US rocketship.
Now that the last shuttle has been retired, It'll be years before NASA flies another manned mission. In the meantime, Americans will still travel into space. But they'll have to rely on the Russians or China ?
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star Youre word:After having a bitter lesson ( of being bullied and colonized by these 8 foreign bullies). You ungrateful piece of prick. Is it not true that China In 1898, the British also gained a 99-year lease under second Convention of Peking. China benifited from the british . China wont be anywhere near where china is today if not for the british. Your so ungrateful you should say thank you to the british....ha ha ha LOL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 US is stopped funding so many things, from space programs, military R&D, health care and had raise taxes, still the unemployment rate is climbing. Today the US politicians ( Democrats & Republicans) are pointing fingers at one another, blaming the other parties of causing the worst US crisis. They even suggest that Postal services to be cut down .. and again many will be jobless. Everyday with failed US is pouring out sad news and imbecile like you are laughing at others?
But2Star 7 months ago
@But2Star This are just normal for politicians they want some deals but eventually they will pass the debt ceiling and I assure you I will fly to washington next week and protest if this is not pass. We are not like your country that if your having a hard time your government will just say since we have to many people then you are only allowed to have one child. conceive more than one children and will put you in jail....I'm going to enjoy this........ha ha ha ha ROFL
juan1970541 7 months ago
@juan1970541 Hey how come you never woof woof these days ? ... : ) Old dog running out of stamina ? ... :)
But2Star 7 months ago
@juan1970541 ... Who the fuck are you, by going to back to Washington will change the course of American biggest dilemma ? What a fucking fool are you ... I can't help but need to laugh on this ... HA HA HA HA.
Even, the Republicans & the Speaker, don't give a damn to Obama, so who the fuck are you. Even God don't seem to side US because all the wars (evil) that the White House had done.