Being a Vegan : Raising Kids on a Vegan Diet

[ihaveairlockers]

It's great to see the vegan parents who inflicted this scourge of a disease on their 6 week old baby who died sent to prison for the remainder of the term of their natural life.

A child has no choice and it is WRONG to inflict veganism on an innocent child. Being a vegan is DUMB and unhealthy for the mind and body. You can be healthy and eat meat too. Vegans tend to think that if a person is against veganism then they must be 250kg and only eat McDonalds.

Vegan = Epic Fail.

Vegan = Scum !!!

[misskitty528]

@ihaveairlockers You have your own opinion, and those parents where probably complete idiots. A 6 week old baby doesn't eat meat nor animal milk most of the time they only drink the mothers milk. A mothers milk is vegan, and there is nothing wrong with it. Vegan's are not scum nor are they an epic fail it's a way of life that one can take. We don't have to eat meat to live I have been vegan all my life, and I am just fine.

[OverGryph]

Why don't you cram Christianity down your kids' throats too while you're at it? And roll up the windows in the car while you smoke and listen to music they hate?

Your child may not want to be vegan. Making the choice to avoid meat should be something that is made at the age of 18, not during infancy. Shame on you. I hope somebody punches you in the gut.

[MrVeggieman11]

@OverGryph Most children are fed meat and are not aware of the cruelty to animals to produce the meat, many would not even connect it as coming from an animal, so brainwashed they are. Not to mention the health detriments- the saturated fats, the increased risk of cancers and heart disease. Don't say we didn't warn you when your heart gives way prematurely.

[kgriffithg]

I don't believe you read the book, because your basic synopsis of it is incorrect. It also has hundreds of citations of scientific studies, did you read each of those? I agree with Lierre Keith that industrial farming's effect on the environment is indeed very negative. This is also outlined in the Omnivore's Dilemma or other books. Part of why, however, is because the excess supply of plants (mostly corn) is used to feed animals, which are used to feed us. Processed food is also a huge culprit.

[rawksdesambas]

Well, you can be a vegan and still be at risk for heart disease, obesity, diabetes and cancer while destroying the environment. One could eat an entire bag of chips, drink a giant soda, smoke a cigarette and then leave all the trash on the ground, but hey, they're still vegan. At least no animals were harmed. I know a vegan who still eats mcdonald's and just omits the patty. Yuck. Don't be ignorant, get informed!

[lalealynn]

@rawksdesambas Actually a lot of wheat used by companies like Mac Donalds is fortied with animal derived substances and they use animal products in their sauces and fries , similarly a lot of white sugar has some animal by products so a giant soda may or might not be vegan, most chips are not vegan friendly . A huge amount of processed food is not vegan people (even vegans are not aware) even on peta they have things listed that the companies themselves say are not vegan,fortified, rice cereal

[lalealynn]

@rawksdesambas Also not all vegans are good people and many omnivores are kindhearted.no one is suggesting that you should start littering and being horrible.and it is harderto get heart disease partly because to be truly vegan you have to avoid fortified foods etc which means so much processed food most people have no idea whats involved (even vegans) it is certainly not for everyone .there is no point in being warlike about veganism its not benificial to humanity Negativity= :-( Kindness= :-)

[pathfinderdude08]

@rawksdesambas your point is understandablle and true, however, mosst veggans become vegan for the bonus of good health; therefore you will find tthat many vegans do not smoke or constantly ppig out on junk food.

Vegans, not all, as you have stated, but the majority are very conscious of what they consume.

[veganchica81]

Normally I don't like expert village vids but Robert is spot on. You should get his book Vegan Body Building...it's awesome!!!

[DastreagusElevo]

I'm with you, except we really need to encourage ametuer honey farmers 100%. The response to the "killer bee scare" has hurt everyone. More local farming, and maybe raise bees without eating the honey.. who knows... Bees are more important than the founding fathers.

[NinjaGhostScorpion]

Perfect subtitle for this vid: Setting yourself up for a revolt.

[DeadlyDollEyes]

My daughter just turned a year old, and she is being raised Vegan. I get nothing but praise from her doctor since she was born about how beautiful her skin is, and how her weight is PERFECT, and he hemoglobin and all the important things are right where they are supposed to be. We DO NOT need animals and animal products to survive, or live a healthy life. GO VEGAN!

[cpmc1]

I actually would be a vegan, 'cept for the fact I just do not find anything at all wrong with (free range) eggs. They provide a natural source of Vit.B12 and are, for me, good choices to make meals with. I heard animal protein causes cancer, but this was only with cesein, milk protein. Also, no religious reasons; I am an atheist.

I am a vegetarian.

[DeadlyDollEyes]

@cpmc1 You should look up the loop holes about calling those chickens "free range" A lot of it is pretty deceiving stuff.

[cpmc1]

@DeadlyDollEyes I live in Ireland if that makes a difference.

[08smilebaby]

@cpmc1 I thought so too, and I have done lots of research into free range eggs and there is nothing wrong with it. The reason that some vegans don't eat eggs is mainly because they don't want to exploit animals for their products etc... I personally think that eating eggs is ok because they're produced naturally and they would be wasted if noone ate them. I eat eggs from my local farm, as long as there are no males around, you won't be killing little chicks and if they're free to roam it's ok.

[08smilebaby]

@cpmc1 Also (sorry for the essay) don't put off not eating/drinking milk products because you see nothing wrong with eating eggs, as the conditions of the dairy industry are disgusting, and technically if you're supporting the dairy industry, you're supporting the meat industry (veal, cows getting butchered after rendered useless for milk production etc...)

[cpmc1]

@08smilebaby No offense, but I am finding it hard to clearly see what you are saying; I said I have reasons not to eat dairy products, and indeed I a plan to go off it completely (no soy milk; plant eostragene, also in milk), but I find you giving more reasons not to eat dairy products. Again no offense intended.

Out of curiosity, would a vegan eat Goats milk or Sheeps milk? There not dairy products, and are a number of times healthier (for us, as humans) to consume.

[08smilebaby]

@cpmc1 Sorry for being unclear, you were saying that you might go vegan but didn't see anything wrong with free range eggs so I was saying don't go off veganism just because you don't see the problem with eating eggs, as you can just be an egg eating vegan (like me).There's nothing wrong with soy milk, as it is made from plants. No, I don't think a vegan would eat goat's or sheep's milk because it is technically dairy and the milk is meant for their babies to have. If that makes sense.

[cpmc1]

@08smilebaby Actually a product is only considered "Dairy", if it is one of, or is, the by product of specifically Cows (Bovine) milk. Just ask any Derry man... Goats milk also has the sugar called "lactose", of which some poeple are unable to digest efficiently, which is called "lactose-intollerance", but, for reasons unknown, people who are lactose-intollerant can still digest it. As well as that, the Vitamin B12 in it cannot be absorbed by the human body.

Vegans do not eat eggs.

[08smilebaby]

@cpmc1 Oh, I was told that all milk is dairy, but anyway, I don't think that vegans would drink sheep/goat milk as it still wasn't intended for humans to drink, and we'll deprive the lamb/kid of nutrition etc... I know vegans don't eat eggs, but I was saying don't be put off the rest of veganism if you see no problem with free range eggs. I'm an ovo-vegetarian or an egg eating vegan, and I was always wary of veganism because there's (I've run out of characters I'll continue, sorry for the essay)

[08smilebaby]

@cpmc1 nothing wrong with free range eggs, so I was saying don't go off the idea of not drinking milk as it is a disgusting industry (almost as bad as milk) just because you don't see a problem with eating eggs. Maybe, as you were saying, you could drink sheep/goats milk because the industry isn't as cruel. Sorry for any misunderstandings :)

[marcluc1988]

One thing I've often heard from nonvegans to parents bringing up their children as vegan: "You shouldn't force your beliefs on your children." What they fail to realise is that nonvegans force their children to eat animals without their knowledge or consent.

By the way, great idea having the script.

[marcluc1988]

One thing I've often heard from nonvegans to parents bringing up their children as vegan: "You shouldn't force your beliefs on your children." What they fail to realise is that nonvegans force their children to eat animals without their knowledge or consent.

[TheShotokankarateguy]

I hate how vegans abuse tofu which comes from Japan and is popular all over asia but yeah damn vegans , when we introduce tofu to america it was suppose to be a cultural exchange , but vegans went tofu crazy makin tofu hot dogs and tofu burgers , when they can just eat real hot dogs and real burgers that are meat , I love meat my sushi would be horrible without raw fish or any other kind of raw sea food .

[whatrosebud]

those snacks have sugar, which is poisen! Read Healthy at 100

[ihaveairlockers]

Main stream doctors and scientists from major universities are absolutely horrified that parents would inflict a hideous social experiment on their innocent children !

Veganism isn't about health, it's about cuddling animals and hugging trees.

Veganism is a noxious disease that should be erradicated forthwith !

I'm so happy that 99.9% of the entire universe's populace eat meat as part of a healthy balanced diet.

[kgriffithg]

Have you read "The China Study?" There is a massive amount of scientific evidence that a vegan diet helps prevent heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes, and even cancer. It is also far better for the environment. Don't be ignorant, get informed!

[SensibleStan]

@kgriffithg I am a Vegetarian but honestly this isn't a good argument I read into "The China Study" and seriously it is very silly for the most part, they force fed meat to animals that were herbivors and then when those developed problems took it as proof meat is bad. Its rediculous as the carnivorous and omnivorous animals didn't get the health problems, it was a mockery, as veggies we see the results and don't look into the data collected we just see it had the results to backup our theories.

[kgriffithg]

@SensibleStan I have a hard time seriously accepting any argument from someone who doesn't know how to spell "ridiculous" or "herbivores." LOL! Did you actually read the book? What do you mean you "read into" it? As the China Study explains, it isn't just eating animals that have eaten rendered animals (a disgusting truth exposed in the book "Mad Cowboy"), it is also eating fish, dairy, or any animal protein that causes the health issues I mentioned. The book is very well documented.

[SensibleStan]

@kgriffithg Wow you attack spelling, what a genius. I didn't realize you would take marks off or i'd have checked my grammar ;) "read into it" actually meant read it and researched what they claimed, i dont take things at face value like most people on here. The China study is flawed, it tested on animals that would never eat or are not meant to eat what they gave them, if you cant handle that its your hang up, you keep believing what you are told. Try a book by Lierre Keith (20 year vegan)

[misium]

@kgriffithg heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes can all be prevented by moderation in eating and avoiding weird stuff like high fructose corn syrup. Its not about being vegan at all.

The only real benefits of a vegan diet are the environmental ones. In 3 years a cow would eat about 2-4 tons of grain. This will produce a 400kg cow with 250kg of meat. 3 tons of rice has more than 10 times more energy than 250kg meat.

So what would you grow to feed as many people as possible?

[DeadlyDollEyes]

@ihaveairlockers Excuse me, Casein mimicks the effects of opiate drugs. Just to correct myself.

[ihaveairlockers]

Main stream doctors and scientists from major universities are absolutely horrified that parents would inflict a hideous social experiment on their innocent children !

Veganism isn't about health, it's about cuddling animals and hugging trees.

Veganism is a noxious disease that should be erradicated forthwith !

I'm so happy that 99.9% of the entire universe's populace eat meat as part of a healthy balanced diet.

[TheSoulFragment]

@ihaveairlockers

Im not vegan, but you got beat down lol. Why are you still here? That's embarrassing for you.

Vegans are healthier, deal with it - I just can't find the patience for it all so I eat convenience food.

[ihaveairlockers]

@TheSoulFragment

I'm here to make vegans realise that their animal-harm culture is wrong and devoid of common sense.

I'm not embarrassed at all, thank you :o)

You state vegans are more healthy. More healthy than who ?? Fat americans who eat McDonalds every day ??

Please...

There's a reason that doctors, scientists and the general populace hate vegans.

It doesn't take alot of brains to figure it out !!

[DeadlyDollEyes]

@ihaveairlockers healthy diet? Veganism isn't all about animal welfare. It's also about the health of your body. MANY people have cholesterol issues which ONLY come from animals fats. I'm sure I don't need to tell you, that high cholesterol leads to heart disease, etc. Where is the health in that? The casein in milk and dairy products are addicting, as casein is a form of morphine. So healthy. Get informed. GO VEGAN!

[ihaveairlockers]

All meat eaters are cruel to animals

All meat eaters want to be cruel to animals

All meat eaters support cruelty to animals

All meat eaters are fat, over-weight, obese american style ignoramus's

All meat eaters have never been educated or been passed grade 6

All meat eaters are backwards, stupid and have no idea

Please give ALL your money to Sea Shepherd and PETA. Give as much as you can.

There's a reason ordinary folk, doctors and scientists hate vegans....

[ihaveairlockers]

As a strict vegan myself, I find that to stay strong and healthy I eat alot of vegetables, drink alot of water, exercise 2 hours at least every day, meditate, get massage and do yoga and pilates 4 times a week.

I eat alot of nuts, berries, fruit and vegetables and drink lots of water. But the best way i find to stay healthy is to eat red meat. I also eat chicken, other birds, eggs, reindeer, moose, deer, beef, whale beef, fish, lamb and pork.

I find balance is the key, nothing extreme.....

[jimexmore]

vegetarian is fine but be a vegan is fucking gay I mean why meat people got to eat to back in the stone age we ate plant and meat why? BECAUSE in is good for you. Oh one last thought for ever animal you vegan don't eat i am going to eat three!!! and try meat just don't eat plants all YOUR life it fun going hunting for food and just try meat and you i'll be hook for life and i mean LIFE AND FUCK YOU PETA.

[cathavenfostermom1]

@jimexmore I agree that humans are natural omnivores but please eat

certified humane meat because if not you are promoting animal

cruelty and exploitation of workers. Please don't support factory farms;

watch the "meatrix " here on youtube and don't trust the labels free range

or cage free or free roam when buying poultry because the standards for

those labels when reffering to birds are low. Field raised or barn roaming are

okay, Please don't support animal cruelty. GOD bless you

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers

No, if you actually did research, you would find that vegans are not, as you so eloquently put it, "dumb". Just because something is the majority, does not necessarily make it right. If we were all to give in to "peer pressure", we wouldn't really be showing any more wisdom or thinking any more independently than a high school kid who smokes/drinks/etc just "because everyone else is doing it".

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers 1. You have obviously done NO research, you ignoramus. 2. Yes, look at the state of the majority of the western world, morbidly obese, & an increasingly young death rate. It's not in the interest of doctors to promote veganism, they'd lose business! 3. Of course not, that's why you keep referring back to the majority, lol. 4. Veganism is not a religion, just as meat eating is not. 5. I have never been healthier since I stopped eating meat, & I don't need any more proof than that

[ihaveairlockers]

Saying that main-stream doctors and scientists don't promote veganism because they would lose business just goes to show how disconnected from reality you are.

The real reason you are vegan is because you :

a) think it's cool and trendy

b) you are a metro-sexual

c) you want to protect animals

d) you want to make a difference

e) you think meat eaters are all cruel and all animals are cute and cuddly

Well guess what ? I love eating fresh whale steaks !

Save the Whale, for me ! Yummy

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers Hahaha, you are soo stuck inside your own head it's almost funny.....almost.

a. When I first became vegan, it was in a small country town where no one even knew what being a vegan was, so it was most certainly not considered cool or trendy!

b. First time I've heard someone describe a woman as a metro-sexual, but there you go, lol.

c. Actually, when I became a vegan, I still went hunting, as hunting is a big part of my culture.

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers d. Make a difference in what?? I wanted to make a difference to my health, that was my only reason.e. I have already stated that I don't consider all meat eaters as cruel, but you obviously have "selective hearing". All animals are not cute and cuddly, and should I find a poisonous snake in my yard, I will not hesitate to kill it, as I really am not as disconnected from reality as you!

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers You think you know the reasoning of every vegan, nay, every human being on the planet. You have assumed you know my history, my background, my culture, my gender, my personal experiences, and my beliefs......... all because I don't eat meat!!! You are an empty-headed, mindless idiot, who I would very much enjoy having in the scope of a good shotgun. I don't usually hunt for sport, but in your case, I'd make a happy exception.

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers I don't think anyone likes to have someone assume that they know everything about them. I doubt that you laughed, as you're obviously not reading my comments. "I'm glad you realised there is another view out there"..???? I USED TO EAT MEAT. Obviously I realize there is another viewpoint out there. You're really not worth getting angry over, that's why I'm merely stating fact. 

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers Being a vegan, not being a vegan, being a martian (whatever it is that someone is!) does not change WHO they are. So enjoy your vegan meal or your whale steaks. Your diet is irrelevant to the fact that you're in idiot. Oh, and why don't you get a life instead of chasing fights on the internet. This is a vegan channel. What did you expect to find? *shakes head*. But then again, you DO have limited brain capacity, so I guess I shouldn't expect any more.

[Rocketmama0206]

@ihaveairlockers amen!

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers P.S. When you die young of a heart attack or some such other disease that is killing the western world, what good will your personal attacks on innocent people's ways of life do for you then. I'm glad I'm not as uneducated, narrow minded, and unhealthy as you!

[ihaveairlockers]

@JamieshaMone

All meat eaters are cruel to animals

All meat eaters want to be cruel to animals

All meat eaters support cruelty to animals

All meat eaters are fat, over-weight, obese american style ignoramus's

All meat eaters have never been educated or been passed grade 6

All meat eaters are backwards, stupid and have no idea

Please give ALL your money to Sea Shepherd and PETA. Give as much as you can.

There's a reason ordinary folk, doctors and scientists hate vegans....

[JamieshaMone]

@ihaveairlockers I never said any of that, and I have never met a vegan with such beliefs. I did not all of a sudden become super smart when I became a vegan, I merely made a different lifestyle choice.

That's just your conscience talking.

[ihaveairlockers]

Being vegan is dumb, just ask the majority of the worlds populace.

If being vegan was so good, everyone would do it.

If being vegan was so emminently sensible, then every major university on the entire planet would be pushing the idea on society, and they're not.

Vegans live in a deluded state, mostly in the big cities of USA.

Vegans think meat eaters are cruel and want to hurt animals.

Their delusion is self indulging and ignorant. And they are not tolerant.

Bloody idiots ! Fools !

[DoomedSpaceMarine123]

@ihaveairlockers Your propaganda is bullshit. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have said that.

And I can't understand how the earth could be flat a few hundred years ago and then become a sphere.

Seriously, just because you say being vegan is dumb, it doesn't mean you're right. Most studies have showed vegan diet being healthier than omnivorous diet.

[ihaveairlockers]

@DoomedSpaceMarine123

It's not propaganda, it's called common sense.

If being vegan was so great, everyone would be doing it and every university on the planet would be loudly advocating its introduction.

And by the way, the earth is flat, mostly

And being vegan IS dumb because you forego health to prove a point about animals.

When it comes to vegans, there is always an agenda.

Always an agenda !

Always an agenda !

[DoomedSpaceMarine123]

@ihaveairlockers No matter how we call the crap you're telling everyone, your comment helped me to realise there's something REALLY wrong with you. Being a vegan is fine, because it's healthy for people and good for animals. I think you read my previous comment too fast. Are you high on meth? coke? meat?

[3051michael1]

Wow and they say giving kids meat is child abuse

[tickyul]

Your Vegancult is not a complete way of eating, not good for kids. Why don't you have some compassion and let the little tyke at least eat some bunny or eggly wegglies, they will thank you.

[ihaveairlockers]

Why do vegan's forego health and "mainstream" diets just to prove a point ?

Veganism is a religion followed by few. If it was so good, the whole world would do it.

In any case, raising kids on a vegan diet is just plain dumb. Don't do it ! Simple !

That is SO sad that parents INFLICT this viscious parasitical religion on their children before they can speak for themselves.

[DoomedSpaceMarine123]

@ihaveairlockers You're tripping. If you weren't, I wouldn't say that.

Giving meat and dairy to children is very bad, because drugs are harmful.

It's very sad that parents turn their children into drug addicts before they can speak for themselves. If my parents hadn't lied to me, I would have stopped eating meat much earlier and I would be healthier now. Meat is like crystal meth, and the only difference is time taken for these drugs to turn people into slaves.

[DoomedSpaceMarine123]

@ihaveairlockers

1) When you have an acid trip, you feel as if you could fly from one continent to another on foot.

2) Meat has stimulants, so it's like crystal meth, while dairy has opioid depressants, causing the same effects the heroin causes.

3) You're trying to make me think I used to simulate illness, but you're wrong.

[DoomedSpaceMarine123]

@ihaveairlockers I know a lot about drugs, both legal and illegal, because I've been reading a lot about them.

I live in Lithuania, a post-soviet country in eastern Europe, where communists have brainwashed people so much that even after 20 years many of them still believe that meat is essential for humans.

You want me to go to school? It's Sunday now. Pay some taxes? And meat industry gets the money as subsidies. It's so stupid that by buying food I'm forced to support the murderers.

[ihaveairlockers]

@DoomedSpaceMarine123

Lithuania ey ??

I know Lithuania.... They're the people who come to norway to steal cars, boats, jewellery, watches, sun glasses, and news papers.

Oh, and they bring dangerous alkohol that is poisoned and they try to sell it.

And when they get drunk they want to fight and cause trouble, and hence they are always getting arrested.

And being vegan is SO intelligent ! Keep up the good work ! Go for it and spread the vegan word, and see who listens !

Plant Murderer !!!

[DoomedSpaceMarine123]

@ihaveairlockers You just proved my point by saying what kind of people some lithuanians are. It's so crappy to live in a country where many people are brainwashed about "importance" of meat. Now it looks as if it was you who brainwashed some of them. Maybe you gave them ideas about stealing, selling poisoned alcohol and getting drunk and aggressive as well?

[DoomedSpaceMarine123]

@ihaveairlockers You call me a plant murderer, but who are you? Do you hunt animals to get meat? Or do you buy meat from those who breed animals and feed 10 or 20 times more plants to them? If you know physics well, you should know that energy conversion efficiency is always lower than 1.

[ihaveairlockers]

@DoomedSpaceMarine123

Yes, my family and I hunt often.

We also harvest whales, seals, reindeer, moose, birds, eggs, deer and other tasty animals.

[nwendt06]

why are people so ignorant if you dont agree with what the video is about why are you watching it?

[ihaveairlockers]

kids need meat, fish, and animal based protein

Vegans have an agenda, nothing to do with health. It's a religion. It's not sensible.

I am about to cook a T Bone steak.

By the way Vegan's.... What is the easiest way to get Iron in your diet ???

Eat RED MEAT !

Wankers !

[bookworm13130]

@ihaveairlocker think and do some research before you make a fool of yourself next time, ok?

[ihaveairlockers]

@bookworm13130

Yes, ok. I will do that :o)

[Sturmtruppen95]

there is a diet that is veggie and fish based and is the healthier diet on earth. History proved that. Its called meditirrenean and includes, milk yogurt honey nuts white cheese a lot of legumes, fish and rarely read meat and poultry and enouh wine. Learn from eat. Vegans are illusionists and stupid. we have only one life enjoy it before is too late

[vonetenv]

Any idea how much mercury is in the flesh of the fish you eat?

[Sturmtruppen95]

any idea how many chemicals fertilizers etc etc are in the veggies and the fruits we eat. . Dont tell me that u believe that there is anything organic in the markets Unless you produce them on your own yard nothing is safe. So yes i rather eat everything and have a happy life than be a miserable vegan skinny complexic person.

[vonetenv]

I do know how many chemicals are in the food YOU eat. I DO believe there are legitimate organic foods in the markets that I shop at. I have been vegan for 5 years and I am VERY happy, I am NOT skinny and I have NO idea what "complexic" means. Do you?

[kimberlily1983]

@Sturmtruppen95 I won't address all of the ignorant things you've said, but just want to make one point: what do you think the cows, pigs, chickens, etc. you eat are fed? Do you think it's organic? Don't you know it's laced with antibiotics, sprayed with pesticides and herbicides? Don't you know those animals are injected with hormones, so they get fatter, produce bigger eggs or more milk? Doesn't sound like a recipe for good health, theirs or yours, to me.

[forthbridg]

when he says at 0:43  it's as if he is about to say if the kids want to do drugs as if sweet are bad for you when i think swedets atre yummy and energising and refreshing.

[AppleSouffle]

BBC News Children Harmed by Vegan Diets

Professor Lindsay Allen, US Agricul Research Service

"There have been sufficient studies clearly showing that when women avoid all animal foods, their babies are born small, they grow very slowly and they are developmentally retarded, possibly permanently."

"If you're talking about feeding young children, pregnant women and lactating women, I would go as far as to say it is unethical to withhold these foods [meat, dairy] during that period of life."

[ihaveairlockers]

It is WRONG, STUPID, FOOLISH and MISGUIDED to raise kids as Vegan.

THAT IS SO WRONG !! Kids don't know, they are just kids !!

Veganism is stupid, and it's not healthy.

I don't give a fuck what all the do-gooder tree hugging eco-hippy-terrorist vegans say, It is just plain stupid.

No doctor or scientist would EVER tell someone to be a vegan.

Vegan's forsake health to prove a point, and inflicting this on innocent kids is WRONG !

That should be a crime

7 days without beet makes 1 weak

[vonetenv]

I wonder were you get ALL your facts from...

[DemeterSearches]

@ihaveairlockers Haha...except that Einstein advocated veganism. ;)

[ihaveairlockers]

@DemeterSearches

veganism is dangerous and no parent should inflict this hideous religion on an innocent child. Any parent who does should be locked up.

[DeadlyDollEyes]

It's not a religion..it's a lifestyle. Just like you eat meat and participate in the demise of our planet. That's YOUR lifestyle.

[kimberlily1983]

@AppleSouffle You must write to the ADA, Dietitians of Canada, and the British Dietetic Association at once! They must be informed that one person who works for the Agricultural Research Service has proved them all wrong!

I see Dr. Allen has done most of her research in the developing world, where nutrient deficiencies are far too common. In the past, rather unscientific research using these people was used to conclude that vegan and vegetarian diets were not healthy...

[kimberlily1983]

@kimberlily1983 ... perhaps Dr. Allen is not aware that third world country "vegans" (people without access to animal products, that is, rather than vegan by choice) are not a good control or experimental group to use in a study on veganism.

Studies that include vegans who eat a proper, balanced, healthy vegan diet, that includes B12 fortified foods or supplements, show no such deficiencies, etc. and show health benefits. :) Go vegans!

[whowantsabighug]

they shouldnt be allowed to wear silk or wool then

[kimberlily1983]

@whowantsabighug I think you'll find that most vegans don't wear silk or wool. I don't.

[KittyCopeland]

Animal Crackers???????? LMAO.....bahhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha . Whats next......nuts in the shape of cute little puppies? SO...Dont eat animals...just things that look like them. Bahhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha

[BadgerLady1]

Just to chip in with another personal testimonial... I've been strictly vegetarian my entire life and vegan since I was 12. There's NO ISSUE getting hold of fats and proteins! In fact, I even had to put myself on a stricter diet when I gained too much weight at age 22 (too many fruit smoothies).

My Aunt and Uncle are also vegan, raised their kids vegan, and their youngest is now raising her son vegan, so how's that for 3rd generation..?

People of any diet base can be malnourished or deficient.

[sts3235]

Isn't that no milk products.

[BadgerLady1]

Not sure I understand the question - vegan is no animal products whatsoever - so no meat, no dairy and no other derivatives. Is that what you meant? :-)

[veganlotus]

Given the decline of Bee colonies, I would also highlight NO MORE HONEY. Let the Bees eat the fruits of their work, the nutrient rich food they make especially for themselves that they obviously live healthily on.

[drummdown]

I'm a Christian and think that it isn't bad to eat honey (Jesus ate honey and fish with his Apostles). The deline in Bee colonies result in the pesticides the farmers are useing on their fields. European honey bees produce far more honey than the hive can eat. If you are worried, make sure you are supporting a good brand. It is not neccesary to quit all together. But I'm also not a whole Vegan... :/

[kimberlily1983]

@veganlotus And for all the honey lovers, buy agave nectar! Almost identical taste - just try it and see. :)

[granitehills2t]

@kimberlily1983 How can you call yourself a vegan and eat fruits and vegetables? Organic and factory farmers use domesticated bees to pollinate their crops. Thus, to ensure a non tyrannical reign over insects you must not eat foods that need pollination, or face the scorn of being called a hypocrite and NOT holding yourself in higher esteem over others.

[kimberlily1983]

@granitehills2t What do you suggest I, and other vegans, do then? Starve? We do the best we can.

Factory farm bees are needed mainly because bee populations are suffering due to the use of genetically engineered crops and pesticide/herbicide use. A return to organic, vegan farming would make this use of bees unnecessary / undesirable to corporations, so by choosing organic foods I'm at least contributing to a world where bees will no longer be used in this way.

[granitehills2t]

@kimberlily1983 I suggest you realize that "vegan"ism is a fallacy. Forget bees, what about organic farmers that use pest termination techniques such as praying mantis or lady bugs to control pests? Most produce that is bought from Mexico is grown in animal feces of some sort. A large contingency of vegetable farmers rely on secondary incomes from meat animals to sustain their businesses. Don't starve, eat what you please, stay out of vegan society though. It is not what it seems.

[kimberlily1983]

@granitehills2t Again, we should all do the best we can. I realize in our current food system, 100% vegan food that has not come into contact with / been associated with some animal exploitation is hard to guarantee, but nonetheless that doesn't mean we should give up. By consuming a diet that's as vegan as possible, I'm encouraging the food system to be 100% vegan. If you eat meat, dairy, honey, etc., you encourage a food system that exploits animals. It's that simple.

[granitehills2t]

@kimberlily1983 A plant bears fruit and you steel it. The plant, as natures law intends, wants to spread it's seed. You eat the fruit, shit in a public toilet and break the cycle of life. Thus, vegans should shit in the woods to stay true to their philosophy. Only then will the seed produce the offspring that the plant tried so hard to produce.

[kimberlily1983]

@granitehills2t Ah, I see I'm not arguing with someone who takes this matter seriously at all. You've trotted out the old "but you're hurting plants" argument. You can't steal from a plant (just like you can't steal from a rock), plants don't want anything, and the plant, strictly speaking, does not "try" to do anything.

Veganism is about reducing/eliminating harms to sentient beings. Plants, to the best of our knowledge, are not sentient beings, the same way rocks aren't.

[granitehills2t]

@kimberlily1983 I am not saying that plants have feelings (even though they prefer classical music over Rammstein). I am speaking of you breaking the chain of life if you use public toilets. Do the planet a favor and shit in the woods and spread the seed of the fruit you eat. Underground septic systems are a scourge to the world. They take up valuable space for worms, gophers and other burrowing animals. Please for our planet, shit in the woods. Bears do it, so why can't you?

[meganovatron]

but to do it on principles is a bit delusional

[ScaringSophie]

@BadgerLady1 i understand becoming a vegan from the age 12 but i believe that children until the age of 9 should have milk of some sources to strengthen growing bones and teeth. However if your family members are doing it correctly (using calcium from other things) it is fine but the majority of Vegan families do not.

[ImTheRiffRaff]

"President of vegan bodybuilding..." LOL.

[PROFLOP1]

Best testimonial from an Ex vegan I have seen.

From

GeneWizeGift

Thanks,

Another problem is sex hormone type estrogens in soy products. Not at all good for boys !!

[originalhome]

There are also vegans and their vegan children are reasonably well, so being sick and deficient is not necessarily connected with any diet. I saw children recovering from deficiencies and illness continuing vegan diet. Faith in what you are doing and mental state is important. Some vegans have always lived with ill faith and under the influence of constant scaremongering by so called experts and friends and relatives, and first instance of discomfort, they back off and blame the diet.

[hellsya24]

ir hair annoyes me

[glow322]

Your parents probably raised you on meat and dairy products when you were a child, yet you want to make your kids suffer by not allowing them to eat animal products.

This is disgusting, as far as Im concerned anyone who has their child on a vegan diet is a damn child abuser.

[GeneWizeGift]

I was vegan 13 yrs, had a baby while vegan & raised my children vegan. Mistake! There are no surviving 3rd generation vegans-anthropology fact! Do your research. You do a great diservice telling folks to raise their kids vegan! We were all sick and weak, dispite great eating. We had so many difficiencies,I had serious illness that healed after cod liver oil, butter, salmon, farm eggs were introduced into my diet. Try Traditional foods & farming. Kids need fat & protein, DHA for their brains.

[charityjunebug]

genewizegift is a troll. pay no attention, folks!

[GeneWizeGift]

Hiya, do your own research. Unfortunately, what I say is true And my experience. There are no surviving 3rd generation true vegans. It IS sad & true. Do you know any? It is a modern diet. If you care about others, especially children, you will pay heed and do real research.

God Bless,

Suzy Bell /former vegan for 13yrs.

[Vegannibal]

hemp seed protein powder!!!

(educate yourselves)

5stars

[crisology]

Instead of vegan gummi bears try gummi fruit right off a tree you can grow in USDA zones 8 or higher. The fruit is far tastier & it is real food.

[Vegannibal]

gummi fruit right off a tree?? are you joking? lol. that would be pretty cool.

[crisology]

For the adventurous in warmer climates you can try chocoloate fruit, ice cream bean fruit, etc.. There are thousands of different untapped/healthy fruit most people live and die without trying and it is all better tasting than junk food (vegan or otherwise).

[nazaxprime]

Oooh, where do i put my money?

I cant wait to see your well nourished kid sitting next to my half starved meat eater. Oh well, I hope to move to california america one day and make enough money so my kids can teach other rugrats in a public school how cool they could be by not being part of the problem and living like savages.

Untill then i will eat you if need be, so you may want to stear clear of nigerian libraries.

[iktpq6]

i am a class 5 vegan i dont eat anything that cast a shadow

[goldengoodas]

don't greens cast a shadow? please explain this to me

[xbulletkissesx]

that's a quote from The Simpsons. that kind of thing doesn't really exist. Even we vegans eat things that cast shadows. lol.

[goldengoodas]

oh lol i was wondering lol thanks

[Suckmyscene]

Lol

Class 5...