Psychiatry: No Science No Cures

[sugarr144]

What scientific test do you have to prove scientology?

[kamiruplpl]

good shrink is a dead shrink

[Hammersley1967]

I'll stand corrected if anyone has information to the contrary, but I was of the understanding that whilst "depression" is usually diagnosed clinically, it CAN be diagnosed chemically via "spinal tap" surgery that will reveal a defficiency in seratonin and/or noradrenalin and/or dopamine.

Contary to the central claim of this video, is this not a chemical test for a psychiatric disorder?

[slipperypete619]

@Hammersley1967 ...that's false. It still takes a "normal" doctor making a judgement based on behavior.

[Hammersley1967]

@slipperypete619

that's false. It still takes a normal doctor making a judgement based on behavior

???

I said depression is usually diagnosed clinically did I not?

So, I am in agreement that it usually takes a doctor making a judgement based on behaviour.

However, I am of the understanding that there is also a chemical test for this psychiatric disorder (cerebrospinal fluid extraction) which dismantles the central thesis of the video.

What exactly are you claiming to be "false"?

[slipperypete619]

@Hammersley1967

I see what you're saying now. I don't think it's common. Mainly because the premise is flawed. First off, how can one prove a chemical imbalance in the brain by going in through the spine? This is what western medicine loves to do: compartmentalize. If someone is "sad" (depressed) why does it exist solely in the brain? What about the rest of the body? If I see my son shot, it's not my brain that is hurting - so why treat the brain?

[Hammersley1967]

@slipperypete619

It's not used because the surgical procedure is very risky in relation to spinal damage.

The theory that "depression" is a result of low levels of serotonin in the neuro-nervous system is based on the almost 100% correlation between patients displaying classical symptoms of depression and low level of serotonin in the cerebrospinal fluid which is extracted via spinal tap...

My question is: "Are low serotonin levels CAUSAL or CONSEQUENTIAL of depression?"

[quickfade]

No, no, you're right. You're totally spot on. Things like chronic depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses are all lies. The obvious, and completely undeniable behavioral effects and byproducts of such diseases is pure fantasy.

What the fucking hell is wrong with you people? This kind of willful ignorance DISGUSTS me.

[unrealfarcrie]

You dont understand what they are talking about. They are not saying that extreme, torturing or chronical mental suffering isnt real. What they are doing is to correctly point out that the psychiatric basis of understanding such conditions is extremely shallow. Psychiatrists aim to make people believe that their mental problems are caused by biological, heredatary, chemical conditions that need chemical intervention to be altered. That is the big psychiatric fraud.

[unrealfarcrie]

Psychiatrists are usually far more mentally sick than their clients because the foundation of their profession is a lie that gives them the right to interfere with peoples lives.

To say that psychiatry is a fraud is not to say that the psychological states they speak of doesnt exist.

It is only pointing out what they truly know about them. And how much they have "helped" people.

[glovemonkey98]

Ok, anyone that taken an abnormal psych class could tell you that they cannot cure anything, its all about alleviating the symptoms.  But at the same time, its not like all psychiatrists or psychologists are plotting to fleece the masses of their money. If you have schizophrenia, you are thankful for the medications that help keep the "ghosts" in check.

[djredi]

i knew i was fine

[cosmicism]

psychiatry and religion are a piece of shit topic only molested children go to hahahahaha

[photo986]

Go to You Tube and look at Ravenscrag

[abiggerdog]

psychiatry is about jew control of non-jewish culture, the jew deciding what is and is not normal, what is or is not irrational

[3Decadesago]

I lost my sister and to date never knew what took her life. Thank you computers. Thank you tv commercials. Thanks to all for speaking out. Now maybe..My family and many others can have somekind of closure for the loss of life due to this so called suicidal world we live in.

I am angry. The Truth will come out. Someday

those responsible will be dealt with . By their maker. my sister was 25. i found her at age 13. i am just sick over this and what has happened to innocent people. dead.

[schicae]

We don't have a CURE for Diabetes or Cancer. Or for heart disease. Should the US not put out money for heath care in general either? Western Medicine typically TREATS the symptoms. Thus, if the logic of this video is accepted, the US perhaps shouldn't spend money annually for these diseases - since we don't technically cure them.

[2snipe1]

What the U.S. SHOULD spend money is growing a better diet. Every symptom of mental illness can be traced back to a biological imbalence in diet, exercise, and sleep. While sleep and exercise are individual choices, the American diet has compromised nutrition for cheaper materials in recent years. Our bodies aren't evolving fast enough to accept this new diet, and we're dying/driven crazy for this reason.

[venomousbird]

What about a lack of meaningful work? I'm sure depression has a lot to do with doing a dissatisfying job day in and day out.

[dusparr]

The majority of mental illnesses are classified by the terms:

Disorder (IE Attention Deficit Disorder)

Syndrome (IE Asperger's Syndrome)

Retardation (IE ...)

Neurotic (IE stress based depression)

Unspecified

I have never heard of any mental disorders being clasified as diseases (sans PTSD I do not agree with that call however) so I am not sure what point the author of this is trying to make as disorders, syndromes and retardation are not innately diseases.

[unrealfarcrie]

Have you ever seen how work is carried out in a psychiatric clinic?

[venomousbird]

Yeah, seems about as sadistically as they can get away with on their ignorant overpaid ego trips.

[schicae]

We don't have a CURE for Diabetes or Cancer. Or for heart disease. Should the US not put out money for heath care in general either? Western Medicine typically TREATS the symptoms. Thus, if the logic of this video is accepted, the US perhaps shouldn't spend money annually for these diseases - since we don't technically cure them.

[theunknownknows]

This field is still in its infancy. In the Alchemy stage, if you will. The arrogance of those in the field is astounding. I am thankful the rest of medicine is more advanced.

[ajsb1986]

So out of hundreds or thousands of people there for that, cherry picking 4-5 responses that show them in the worst light proves nothing. Out of curiosity, why is everyone focusing on blood tests? If someone has a chemical imbalance in their head, or anywhere in their body, there's no assurance it will show up in the blood. If you had the wrong stomach acids in your stomach, there is no blood test to test for that either.

[ajsb1986]

And seeing as Humanity does not have all-encompassing knowledge, and the opportunity to dissect a living brain is rare if at all(not to mention doing such a thing would make you shunned) what tests do you propose they do? In absence of that, the only thing they -can- do is diagnose based on symptoms. You know, what doctors do in hospitals. If I have a stomach ache, they ask me what I've eaten and what medicine I'm taking. If I'm depressed, they ask me how my life has been and what has changed.

[ajsb1986]

I know many people in my life that are depressed or have high levels of social anxiety, or like one friend, hears voices in his head when he's stressed. And with the stories of people like Jeremy Perkins, Heribert Pfaff, and Margarit Winkelmann fresh in my mind, I'm wary of letting anyone switch the drugs they receive that -I can see working- with inadequately tested vitamin alternatives, or just simply dropping them off of the drugs cold turkey. Don't know the names I said? Google them.

[MACKATTACK1970]

How many people have I cured?

Well (let me giggle like a little bitch for 30 seconds) I have never cured anyone, just like no psychiatrist or psychologist has ever cured anyone.

This psuedo science, bullshit, field that draws the sick, the stupid and the crooks should be banned and anyone who practices this bullshit in the future should be put to death immediately.

[miameeuh]

When you think about it, the fact that there are no "chemical tests" is a ludicrous platform for an argument. People with back injuries are often in chronic pain, & we don't have "biological tests" to measure pain. The entire body includes chemical compounds, so the arguments made in this video would only be sustainable if all other illnesses could be proven. We didn't have tests for diseases like HIV & tuberculosis until recently, so who says that such testing won't be available in the future?

[kegher]

if he means by 'no chemical imbalance' dopamine is not a chemical I can see their point.

But you still need chemicals to set a lack or to much of it straight

Writing of all people with severe psychoses as crybabies with no real problem is biggotry itself

[Hasstradamus]

No one denies that people can have difficult problems in their lives, that at times they can be mentally unstable. Mental health care is therefore both valid and necessary. However, the emphasis must be on workable mental healing methods that improve and strengthen individuals and thereby society by restoring people to personal strength, ability, competence, confidence, stability, responsibility and spiritual well-being.

[Hasstradamus]

Learn that there are actually drug-free answers to some of the most common psychiatric disorders. Some of these have undiscovered physical causes.

Google the following:

""Drug Free Methods of Treating patients diagnosed "Schizophrenic""

"Treatment of Acute Psychosis Without Neuroleptics: Two-Year Outcomes" From the Soteria Project"

"29 Medical Causes of the Diagnosis of Schizophrenia"

"Drug Free Methods of Treating patients diagnosed "Schizophrenic""

Hasstradamus.

I'm out

[Hasstradamus]

Remember to keep your text within the brackets, otherwise you'll not be directed to the sites that have these drug-free solutions.

One's again, I'm out.

Hasstradamus.

[gobsiter]

psyciatric drugs = chemical labotimy

[segits]

BEWARE of Dr.Woyshville and of Case Western Reserve Hospital!

[sociopathicregret]

But what I was trying to say is that since psychiatric diagnoses rely on subjective testimony and ideas that it cannot be testable thus cannot be science. Even if theoretically all feelings, sentiments and emotions could be broken down into chemical components (though we don't know this), we are not nearly to that point in understanding the brain, and I'm not sure if such an artificial process would be good for emotional health.

[sociopathicregret]

Where the hell is my comment?

[EmilyGreene1984]

I don't know if its just me, but I've noticed how there seems to be alot more things that are considered (in those who advocate psychiatry and their views) a mental illness. For example, I've seen stories where people who have lost loved ones (to whom they were close) been accused of having "depression" merely because of the fact they choose to mourn their loved ones longer than the accepted norm??

[EmilyGreene1984]

I think the only diseases or conditions that should be classified as a bona fide "mental illness" are such things as Alzheimer's disease and dementias caused by either drugs, toxins, head injuries, and basically any impairment that is seen within the brain like plaque and so on. Those I think would be considered as a "mental illness".

[spiggington]

you guys think that mental illness doesn't exist???? you can accept that someone's liver might malfunction, so why can't you accept the same to be true about the brain?

[EmilyGreene1984]

I completely agree. Indeed, they are a pseudo-science.

[Cloggerzzz]

Could you tell me what is a science please and in what respects psychiatry differs from this definition? Thanks, C.

[TheVengeance]

notice how all these people against psychiatry are bashing psychiatry, because theres no proven diseases and/or disorders. but i dont see these people proving that there aren't

[bombthemusicind]

it's becuase they won't get money that way!

[touchdown9000]

Its death penalty verses suicidal tendencies all I wanted was a f..king pepsi!

Making you think your crazy is a billion dollar industry!

- sage francis

[michieleather]

just give me my antopshychoticum medicine needle shot grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[martreboe]

just gimme my brain medicine.