@donraj71 ...Classic stuff, shame the nancy boys who play today dont have the same ethic during a game, too worried about having one of their diamond earings knocked out or the fake tan getting smudged
@cozener1 Lee certainly liked falling over in the opposition penalty area. But when it comes to dodgy practices Revies Leeds were in a league of their own, which was always a shame as they had some great players and probably should have won more than they did.
@bertfrantic Leeds were ultra professional. Unfortunately this included hounding refs, Giles/Hunter/Bremner/Charlton kicking lumps out of the opposition. Accusations from Bob Stokoe that Revie attempted to bribe him while managing Bury have added to this almost seige mentality at Leeds.
Jimmy Armfield recounts that when managing Leeds post Revie, when allowing the players more freedom on the park, that they themselves began to think they had been stifled, under achieved in the past.
@flaviusConstantius no you moran, he punched him when he was on his own and the leeds players run over. Cause this Leeds team were a family, part of the reason they were so successful, and when they were scrapping near the end Lee didn't connect with one punch. MOT
Love Bremner flying through the air trying to pile in. Thats why there is a statue of him outside Elland Road, And he never got paid 50 grand a week either
@theflyintheointment The 70s when players went to war for their clubs. When footballers could control the ball, and use both feet, not like these over paid pricks now.
see you gobby northern wanker,if i ever find out where ya live,ill be round to torcher you and ya fuckin family,thats a promise knobhead northern twat.
Hey tossbag, Here's a couple of what fat Rafa used to call Facts.
1) Lee Won Pen was the first of the English divers and most fans & media reckoned he had it coming. He conned a pen in this game before bites yer legs smacked him.
2) quote from Lee's own book. "Hunter snapped two of my teeth off at the roots, split my lip and I needed over 50 stitches"
3) Hunter was banned for 6 games & fined £100. Lee got 9 games & £500.
That all started because Lee won a penalty earlier in the match with a blatant dive. you'll hear people say it was foreigners who introduced diving into the English game but in reality it was Franny Lee. He was good at it too. One season he scored 12 penalties, most of which were awarded for 'fouls' on him. it was hard for TV cameras to catch him too because there was only ever one camera at a match. He was the prototype for modern day divers like Rooney, Gerrard and Ronaldo.
Quite ironic this as this proves Hunter wasn't hard at all and he just looks like a 2 bit bully. Lee was clearly far harder. If he hadn't spazzed out over Hunters bat he could have got his own back without fucking himself over....
I'm fairly sure that Big Jack once said any shenanigans on the pitch were left, until half or full time then he would knock a chunk out of the opposing player in the tunnel. So in that sense Norman Hunter should have remembered what Jack and Don Revie told him some years earlier. It was a daft scrap.
This was great, Jimmy Hill analysed the punch up on Match of the Day as well. Those were the days. But what about so-called hardman Norman Hunter getiing decked by Francis 'the diver' Lee?
I remember seeing this on Match of the Day at the time. The fight is the most famous part of it, but it was also a brilliant match, which I think Derby won 3-2.
Nobody could touch Norman Hunter, he was the proper hard man of football and Franny Lee was just a big wuss and actually loks stupid even trying to get near big Norm - FACT
Don't be stupid. Hunter was nothing more than a dirty sod who wound other players up. He wasn't a hard man. In fact he said in an interview years after this that it was all his fault anyway because he'd wound francis lee up and didn't blame him for trying to flatten him.
@deanocity3 I agree... the more I see of 60's Leeds the less I like them, and I used have a real soft spot for them on account of their just missing out so often. And the more I see of Lee the more I see a classic Revie prototype.
Shame Wayne Bridge didnt chin Terry when they shook hands..perfect chance for to up his credibility..but thats footballers today for you..no arsole..bunch of pansies compared to the guys in the seventies..overpaid prima donna wankers.
they were rough yes, but as george best testified on gillete soccer around 10 years ago, he said somethin like, leeds were dirty yes everyone was, they only picked on leeds cause they were the best, everyone hates the winners.
Lee didn't land a single punch and was punished more heavily by the authorities afterwards, possibly because the whole incident was sparked by Lee conning the referee with a dive which earned Derby a converted penalty.
And one of the most talented teams in the history of football..all the 1st team were internationals, and some reserves as well.
A lot of the hate was down to jealousy because Leeds came from nowhere and dominated...without throwing money about like confetti..ala Chelski and Mank City.
They were the best team in England for a while, although they couldn't beat Celtic could they?
The reason they were hated was because the were graceless, cynical cheats who tried to kick teams off the pitch, when most of the time they could have outplayed them.
To be one of the most talented teams in history they would have to have won the European Cup, which they didn't.
Hello Jack! - if we're talking about cynicism & cheating, here is again a quote from your Chelsea mate Ron Harris regarding the 1970 FA Cup Final replay.
'People say that David Webb won the Cup for Chelsea, but I think it was 90 per cent me who won the Cup for that tackle on Eddie Gray. He limped for the rest of the game,'
No arguments from me about Chopper, he was a thug, but every team had one in the 70s.
Leeds, however, had about 10! They approached every game with the attitude that they would kick and intimidate the opposition, Chelsea were a footballing team in the 60s and 70s, but they knew that to beat Leeds you had to give some back - and they did!
It's amusing that Leeds players still whine about it when they built a whole career on doing the same thing isn't it?
I have to disagree jack. Yes Leeds were tough, but if a side (like Chelsea) wanted to play rough, then Leeds would respond with the same. The image the Clough loving media have given them is very unfair and it's sad that youngsters will watch 'The Damned United' and believe everything they see is true. As for the 'still whining' bit, where do you get that from?
I saw a documentary about the Revie years at Leeds (some of it is posted on Youtube), Peter Lorimer just droned on about how Chelsea kicked them in the 1970 final).
Leeds were a well-drilled, powerful, efficient unit (a bit like Chelsea now), but they never won over the neutrals - not because they were successful, but because of the WAY they succeeded.
The Man Utd team of that era played with a smile on their faces, as did Chelsea usually, but Leeds were a sneering, dour team.
Leeds won over many neutrals with their attacking play in the '70's jack & as for the Lorimer clip, I remember the late Ian Hutchinson doing a similar one! Have you ever read 'The Glory Game' by Hunter Davies? There's a chapter called 'Super Leeds' where after being beaten by Leeds, the Spurs team have nothing but praise for Revie's men.
Earlier in the book, Spurs go to Chelsea and are involved in a dirty match, with Osgood the main hate figure in the Spurs dressing room!
I was an 11 year old kid when Leeds got beat by Celtic in the European Cup, and I can remember almost everyone wanting Celtic to win - even though they were Scottish!
If you're a Chelsea fan It's no surprise you and your friends wanted to see Leeds beaten - we would have been rooting for Celtic if they were facing Chelsea in the 1970 European Cup which of course never happened because you never won the league title!
Seriously though, why did Chelsea fall apart the way they did with players like Osgood, Hudson & Webb leaving to go to smaller clubs?
Read 'The Glory Game' - the best football book ever!
Mr Mears and his board (rightly) thought that Chelsea deserved a better, more modern stadium, and embarked on a massively over-ambitious ground development, which caused huge debts and threatened the club's survival.
The only way to stave off disaster was to sell off the team's best players, and Ossie, Charlie Cooke, Hudson, Hollins etc all went to raise money.
It went on into the 80s when we nearly went into Div 3.
Ken Bates may have been a cantankerous old sod, but he saved Chelsea.
Well Ossie certainly did, and that contributed to him going to Southampton, but the main reason for that team breaking up was the need for money to pay off debts.
Combination of Sexton's inability to handle the star players, the lack of professionalism of said star players, Sexton trying to replace Osgood/Hudson etc with the likes of Kember, Garland and Garner, and the disastrous redevelopment of SB which damn near bankrupted the club.
My money would be on 'bite ya legs' 10 times out of 10!
Franny Lee was a midget with a chip on his shoulder! 'Little man Syndrome' got him slapped a good few times... fair dues, tho' he used to come back to be slapped fuckless again, and again! lol
16881873 - I dare you to call either Norman or Franny a puff to their face! The pair of them are pensioners now but they'd still be able to kick the crap out of you. As for Ferguson, yes he was a hard boy, but he couldn't play football as well as Norman & Franny and that's what really counts.
Franny Lee despite his diving was a fantastic player, as was Hunter, who would have got far more England caps if it wasn't for Bobby Moore. Calling Hunter a 'journeyman thug' as well as a 'puff' is surely one of the stupidest things I've ever read here. Journeymen thugs don't get voted as player of the year by their peers.
Norman Hunter was the most cynical and dirty cunt who ever pulled on a football shirt. Billy Bremner was also a dirty cunt. The Leeds team of that era were cheating dirty cunts.
Hunter sneakily punches Lee full in the face and takes him by surprise, he gets his comeupance on the way to the bench.
The only objective way of refereeing Hunter would be to send him off before the kick off
Hunter was hard as was Bremner, but they could play footbal if the opposition wanted to play football.
Franny had conned the ref with one of his dives to earn Derby a penalty and I'm sure that's why Norman thumped him later on. When the two of them were punished by the FA, Lee came off worse, possibly because they saw that his earlier dive was the catalyst for the two punch ups.
Unfortunately you can not put a point across without swearing, you know nothing of Leeds United and even less about football.A side can not kick its way to 11 finals, 2 championships, 5 championships runners up unless they can play and Leeds played total football long before the dutch.They where despised by the London media, who hated every team in the North bar Man United because they where an unfasionable club that became successful.Tthe ABC of football, arrogant, belligerent and class.
II know quite a lot about Leeds at that time and I don't think anybody says that Leeds weren't a good team full of great players. It was not just the London media (Northern paranoia again) that reviled them for their foul play and cynicism. Fans all over the country hated them because of their negative qualitities. Hunter and Bremner were among the worst cheats of that era, and if you don't accept that then you are ....well...a cunt.
Have to finish with bad language, I know when people do this they have nothing constructive to say.Leeds United where as good as any post war European team.Described by knowledgable people as 11 internationals all dressed in white.You know nothing about Leeds, nothing about Football.I do not have Northern paranoia as I am from Wales, but I followed Leeds since I was a boy and I know there true pedigree .They where hated because they where successful and never got the plaudits they deserved
Err no, Norm didn't get his comeuppance..as Fat bastard lee never actually landed a punch, just windmilled at thin air...Norm backed off cos he knew if he threw another punch he'd be in worse trouble..Lee didn't have the brains to figure that out !
Waht makes me laugh is twats like you saying Leeds were dirty, ..yet when the Leeds players moved to other clubs near the end of their careers, the clubs and fans said what great players they were.
Nobody hates all the teams of that era who won the league, like Man City, Everton, Nottingham Forest Derby or Liverpool. These were great teams with great players. Leeds were a great team with great players who were dirty and cheating too. I have nowhere said they could not play a bit.
Re. Hunter, he was almost running away from Lee before he fell over. Lee was rightfully angry because the sneaky sod hit him while he was not looking. It's not just me who said this, it was a consensus
If God wanted to give Northamptonshire an enama he would stuff the tube up Hunters arse!! Hunter was a wanker at the best of times. North of fucking Watford wot da ya xpect!
Cheating? How? You can only rough it up so much with a referee and two linesmen watching. And you pay the price with disciplinary action. Bookings and sendings off. Leeds did not take tumbles to win decisions. Fact. Leeds did not win their games via 'dived for' penalties. If Leeds fouled, they were penalised, if they fouled again they were cautioned. EXACTLY the same rules as today. So tell me again, how were Leeds cheating. Sounds like you're a tad jealous mate.
I vaguely remember this. Hunter spent most of the game simmering after Lee had dived to win an early penalty which was scored. He eventually could not control his temper any longer and dropped Lee with that right. The rest is history and very funny!
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In Fatboy's Autobiography "Cheating for City, Derby and England", he says Hunter split his lip & broke 2 teeth" Hunter didn't haver a mark on him. 1-0 Hunter.
The FA suspended Hunter for 4 weeks & fined him £500. Lee got 8 wks and £1000Which hurt 'cos that's two weeks worth of Mars Bars & Ginsters. 2-0 Hunter.
Norman Hunter was voted first ever "Player's player " that year. Tommy Smith sez he voted for him 'cos he "Twatted that shit, Lee" Suspect other voters felt same. 3-0 Hunter.
I'm a neutral & I think Lee was the daddy here. Hunter was tall but he was too flimsy. Lee was like a pitbull. Hunter escaped certain death because his team mates stepped in to save him.
Franny Lee of Manchester City, Derby County and England was one of the first players in English football to get a reputation for diving. In one season he scored 35 goals, 15 of which came from penalties mainly won by him. This inevitably led to accusations of simulation and he was dubbed Lee One Pen or Lee Won Pen
i wish i was around for football back then! wish it was still like this these days. lee got wacked but still got straight up. these days u sneeze next to a player and they fall down!
fantastic entertainment....luv to see that now
donraj71 2 weeks ago
@donraj71 ...Classic stuff, shame the nancy boys who play today dont have the same ethic during a game, too worried about having one of their diamond earings knocked out or the fake tan getting smudged
PeckhamExile 1 week ago
Mint!
RaisedUser 3 weeks ago
Franny ftw
BmJGaming 1 month ago
Franny lost it. He shouldn't have got mad, he should have got even.
TwistedTowerDire 1 month ago
I'm not a Leeds fan or a Derby fan so as a complete neutral I can honestly say that Hunter got a good spanking here.
whitbyjet65 1 month ago
I would like to see Messi and Ronaldo fight like this
ajrajk96 2 months ago
norman hunter is a dirty cunt, always was
alexhouse72 3 months ago in playlist alexhouse72's favorites
Lee was a cheat who dived for fun in the box. Should have been decked a lot nore often in his career!
cozener1 4 months ago
@cozener1 Lee certainly liked falling over in the opposition penalty area. But when it comes to dodgy practices Revies Leeds were in a league of their own, which was always a shame as they had some great players and probably should have won more than they did.
bertfrantic 4 months ago
@bertfrantic Leeds were ultra professional. Unfortunately this included hounding refs, Giles/Hunter/Bremner/Charlton kicking lumps out of the opposition. Accusations from Bob Stokoe that Revie attempted to bribe him while managing Bury have added to this almost seige mentality at Leeds.
Jimmy Armfield recounts that when managing Leeds post Revie, when allowing the players more freedom on the park, that they themselves began to think they had been stifled, under achieved in the past.
cozener1 4 months ago
0:37 I love the way Bremner leaps on the back of Gemmill !! Aboslutely NO MESSING ABOUT !!! lol :) top stuff !
steveN111333 5 months ago
@flaviusConstantius no you moran, he punched him when he was on his own and the leeds players run over. Cause this Leeds team were a family, part of the reason they were so successful, and when they were scrapping near the end Lee didn't connect with one punch. MOT
x1owned09str 6 months ago
@x1owned09str So Hunter went down without even being hit? Diving cheat!
ajgm1992 4 months ago
England team mates as well! Classic seventies football.
GuyFawkes15 7 months ago
Love Bremner flying through the air trying to pile in. Thats why there is a statue of him outside Elland Road, And he never got paid 50 grand a week either
Allysta100 7 months ago 2
Francis Lee walking off thinking 'Sod football, I think I'll get into the bog-roll business.'
fodsaks 7 months ago
@FlaviusConstantius Its nice to see that Leeds back up their team mates, maybe its because it didnt wnat to get sent off???
afterdarkill 8 months ago
Lee fought like a pussy, Hunter was a grow ass man
romshc 8 months ago
hunter fell down like a sack of spuds the tosser
panda792 10 months ago 5
lee swung like a fucking windmill and didnt connect
antovwilton 10 months ago
When it was a man's game.
theflyintheointment 10 months ago
@theflyintheointment The 70s when players went to war for their clubs. When footballers could control the ball, and use both feet, not like these over paid pricks now.
sebastiansap2003 10 months ago
Now THIS is a proper fight. Are you watching Joey Barton and Diouf you pair of spineless pricks?
johnnycheck99 10 months ago
haha, northern wankers?, you wunt last 5 minute up here u cunt.
swifty137 11 months ago
@swifty137 You're a fucking prick.
vanillaiceistheman 11 months ago
see you gobby northern wanker,if i ever find out where ya live,ill be round to torcher you and ya fuckin family,thats a promise knobhead northern twat.
philemin1 11 months ago
@philemin1 You're a cunt unall.
vanillaiceistheman 11 months ago
i like how frannie didnt hit him and hunter about broke his nose i think hunters the hard man frannie just a diveing little girl
Grugby2009 11 months ago
0:37bremner flying in great days
helltopay1 11 months ago
1:07 Billy bremner flying in ,great days
helltopay1 11 months ago
go on franny ,proper done the fuckin leeds scum,hunter the wanker couldnt handle it ,toe to toe,what a fuckin mug,like all leeds wankers.
philemin1 11 months ago
@philemin1
Hey tossbag, Here's a couple of what fat Rafa used to call Facts.
1) Lee Won Pen was the first of the English divers and most fans & media reckoned he had it coming. He conned a pen in this game before bites yer legs smacked him.
2) quote from Lee's own book. "Hunter snapped two of my teeth off at the roots, split my lip and I needed over 50 stitches"
3) Hunter was banned for 6 games & fined £100. Lee got 9 games & £500.
Still think he won? You fuckwitted shithead.
schnibbitz 11 months ago 2
@schnibbitz leeds have cheated ever since so ......yh
FALLENFORFISH 8 months ago
That all started because Lee won a penalty earlier in the match with a blatant dive. you'll hear people say it was foreigners who introduced diving into the English game but in reality it was Franny Lee. He was good at it too. One season he scored 12 penalties, most of which were awarded for 'fouls' on him. it was hard for TV cameras to catch him too because there was only ever one camera at a match. He was the prototype for modern day divers like Rooney, Gerrard and Ronaldo.
hibernica007 1 year ago
good old franny......don revie's bully boys!....a far cry from the fair and good football leeds play these days..(gooner)
bluegreenius 1 year ago
Quite ironic this as this proves Hunter wasn't hard at all and he just looks like a 2 bit bully. Lee was clearly far harder. If he hadn't spazzed out over Hunters bat he could have got his own back without fucking himself over....
WolfgangVonPoserkila 1 year ago
Hunter soft as shite, Lee Hard man
oldloafandyoung 1 year ago
I'm fairly sure that Big Jack once said any shenanigans on the pitch were left, until half or full time then he would knock a chunk out of the opposing player in the tunnel. So in that sense Norman Hunter should have remembered what Jack and Don Revie told him some years earlier. It was a daft scrap.
bluebus270 1 year ago
Tell you what, don't see tough footballers like this nowadays
Minghaggard 1 year ago
Ah the good ol days
gavh05f0rd 1 year ago
......dirty,DIRTY,soft leeds shitehawk!
Big man with your mates around you ,Hunter and then ..... chinned by a midget!
typical leeds coward!...
furtles 1 year ago
Nice to see Lee hitting thin air real good. He was a wispy haired dick. Go Norm.
louisorleans 1 year ago
Hunter wasn't a 'hard man', he was just a 'dirty player' and Lee had had enough!
mikris50 1 year ago
This was great, Jimmy Hill analysed the punch up on Match of the Day as well. Those were the days. But what about so-called hardman Norman Hunter getiing decked by Francis 'the diver' Lee?
grantg60 1 year ago
I remember seeing this on Match of the Day at the time. The fight is the most famous part of it, but it was also a brilliant match, which I think Derby won 3-2.
CraigG1960 1 year ago
Smack him Franny.
Hunter, like all the dirty Leeds side was a cunt.
moosey62 1 year ago
Go Frannie. Hunter was a real waste of space.
panchopuskas1 1 year ago
@panchopuskas1 do u know anything about FOOTBALL!!!!????
MrRConnor 1 year ago
you can see franny was winding up when he being spoken to by the ref...go on franny unleash hell
po27a 1 year ago
Nobody could touch Norman Hunter, he was the proper hard man of football and Franny Lee was just a big wuss and actually loks stupid even trying to get near big Norm - FACT
mrbusker1 1 year ago
@mrbusker1 franny had him then with afew left and rights , just because he was small doesn't mean he's soft
belantino1979 1 year ago
Haha Hunter fucks him up at the start, little bitch got DROPPED
4Maniak 1 year ago
football should allow fights like this to happen, same way ice hockey does, would add a whole new dimension to the game :-D
Artemis458 1 year ago
Don't be stupid. Hunter was nothing more than a dirty sod who wound other players up. He wasn't a hard man. In fact he said in an interview years after this that it was all his fault anyway because he'd wound francis lee up and didn't blame him for trying to flatten him.
Th3M4dH4tt3r82 1 year ago
Hunter would batter him
RainyLeeds 1 year ago
THE GOOD OLD DAYS
WHEN MEM WHERE MEN
FOOTBALLER PLAYERS ARE COMPLETE PUSSIES THESE DAYS
90 PER CENT ARE DIVING CHEATING CUNTS
MrStonecold69 1 year ago
Proper old school football. Love it
thejordansyt59 1 year ago
great punch lee if only us millwall fans had a chance to get a smack like that on hunter
CRAZYMILLWALL 1 year ago
Norman Hunter was a pussy!
bigry1 1 year ago
Lee couldn't even touch Hunter!
jimmybob12 1 year ago
@deanocity3 I agree... the more I see of 60's Leeds the less I like them, and I used have a real soft spot for them on account of their just missing out so often. And the more I see of Lee the more I see a classic Revie prototype.
seanreillyireland 1 year ago
@seanreillyireland This was in the 70s mate - Leeds v Derby was always value for money.
Err and Lee was never managed by Revie. 80s football was a man's game and Leeds were just more brutal than most.
lurvebutter 1 year ago
@lurvebutter fair enough, i ws merely suggesting lee was a player who ironically was a leeds prototype, unlike say, eddie gray.
seanreillyireland 1 year ago
W I N D M I L L !
Vaughan1994 1 year ago
Shame Wayne Bridge didnt chin Terry when they shook hands..perfect chance for to up his credibility..but thats footballers today for you..no arsole..bunch of pansies compared to the guys in the seventies..overpaid prima donna wankers.
PeckhamExile 1 year ago
bridge doesnt have the bollox to do that nor the strenght
david123451988 1 year ago
fucking class go on fanny son !!
mashamorgan 1 year ago
Hunter punched Lee when he had all his Leeds team mates around him but didn't seem to fancy a fight when it was one on one!
FlaviusConstantius 1 year ago 31
Agreed! the shit was running down his Dirty Leeds legs when Lee came at him. Typical coward and bully. Some nice combos from the wee man!
dieselfeet 1 year ago 2
0:37 !! You see Bremner jumping on Gemmils back !!
Thats how you start a fight ! No messing about !! lol
steveN111333 2 years ago
they were hates cause they were brilliant
they were rough yes, but as george best testified on gillete soccer around 10 years ago, he said somethin like, leeds were dirty yes everyone was, they only picked on leeds cause they were the best, everyone hates the winners.
dem1991boy5 2 years ago
Frannie Lee came out on top there..
PeckhamExile 2 years ago 7
Lee didn't land a single punch and was punished more heavily by the authorities afterwards, possibly because the whole incident was sparked by Lee conning the referee with a dive which earned Derby a converted penalty.
Lee did not come out on top!
helltopo 1 year ago
Leeds of the 70s - the most hated team in the history of football.
jackHNv 2 years ago
And one of the most talented teams in the history of football..all the 1st team were internationals, and some reserves as well.
A lot of the hate was down to jealousy because Leeds came from nowhere and dominated...without throwing money about like confetti..ala Chelski and Mank City.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago 2
They were the best team in England for a while, although they couldn't beat Celtic could they?
The reason they were hated was because the were graceless, cynical cheats who tried to kick teams off the pitch, when most of the time they could have outplayed them.
To be one of the most talented teams in history they would have to have won the European Cup, which they didn't.
jackHNv 2 years ago
Hello Jack! - if we're talking about cynicism & cheating, here is again a quote from your Chelsea mate Ron Harris regarding the 1970 FA Cup Final replay.
'People say that David Webb won the Cup for Chelsea, but I think it was 90 per cent me who won the Cup for that tackle on Eddie Gray. He limped for the rest of the game,'
helltopo 1 year ago
Helltopo,
No arguments from me about Chopper, he was a thug, but every team had one in the 70s.
Leeds, however, had about 10! They approached every game with the attitude that they would kick and intimidate the opposition, Chelsea were a footballing team in the 60s and 70s, but they knew that to beat Leeds you had to give some back - and they did!
It's amusing that Leeds players still whine about it when they built a whole career on doing the same thing isn't it?
jackHNv 1 year ago
I have to disagree jack. Yes Leeds were tough, but if a side (like Chelsea) wanted to play rough, then Leeds would respond with the same. The image the Clough loving media have given them is very unfair and it's sad that youngsters will watch 'The Damned United' and believe everything they see is true. As for the 'still whining' bit, where do you get that from?
helltopo 1 year ago
I saw a documentary about the Revie years at Leeds (some of it is posted on Youtube), Peter Lorimer just droned on about how Chelsea kicked them in the 1970 final).
Leeds were a well-drilled, powerful, efficient unit (a bit like Chelsea now), but they never won over the neutrals - not because they were successful, but because of the WAY they succeeded.
The Man Utd team of that era played with a smile on their faces, as did Chelsea usually, but Leeds were a sneering, dour team.
jackHNv 1 year ago
Leeds won over many neutrals with their attacking play in the '70's jack & as for the Lorimer clip, I remember the late Ian Hutchinson doing a similar one! Have you ever read 'The Glory Game' by Hunter Davies? There's a chapter called 'Super Leeds' where after being beaten by Leeds, the Spurs team have nothing but praise for Revie's men.
Earlier in the book, Spurs go to Chelsea and are involved in a dirty match, with Osgood the main hate figure in the Spurs dressing room!
helltopo 1 year ago
That's not the way I remember them!
I was an 11 year old kid when Leeds got beat by Celtic in the European Cup, and I can remember almost everyone wanting Celtic to win - even though they were Scottish!
jackHNv 1 year ago
If you're a Chelsea fan It's no surprise you and your friends wanted to see Leeds beaten - we would have been rooting for Celtic if they were facing Chelsea in the 1970 European Cup which of course never happened because you never won the league title!
Seriously though, why did Chelsea fall apart the way they did with players like Osgood, Hudson & Webb leaving to go to smaller clubs?
Read 'The Glory Game' - the best football book ever!
helltopo 1 year ago
Mr Mears and his board (rightly) thought that Chelsea deserved a better, more modern stadium, and embarked on a massively over-ambitious ground development, which caused huge debts and threatened the club's survival.
The only way to stave off disaster was to sell off the team's best players, and Ossie, Charlie Cooke, Hudson, Hollins etc all went to raise money.
It went on into the 80s when we nearly went into Div 3.
Ken Bates may have been a cantankerous old sod, but he saved Chelsea.
jackHNv 1 year ago
Didn't Osgood & Hudson fall out with Dave Sexton?
helltopo 1 year ago
Well Ossie certainly did, and that contributed to him going to Southampton, but the main reason for that team breaking up was the need for money to pay off debts.
jackHNv 1 year ago
"why did Chelsea fall apart the way they did"
Combination of Sexton's inability to handle the star players, the lack of professionalism of said star players, Sexton trying to replace Osgood/Hudson etc with the likes of Kember, Garland and Garner, and the disastrous redevelopment of SB which damn near bankrupted the club.
FlaviusConstantius 1 year ago
My money would be on 'bite ya legs' 10 times out of 10!
Franny Lee was a midget with a chip on his shoulder! 'Little man Syndrome' got him slapped a good few times... fair dues, tho' he used to come back to be slapped fuckless again, and again! lol
CuntsFuck 2 years ago
Nice one Norm, well twatted..serves the fat diving cunt right.
applebeatle 2 years ago
Haha look at lee feeling his lip, never seen such a poor fighter, like fighting a wasp!
fallfromnowhere 2 years ago
So many comments saying Hunter got owned...how the fuck did he get owned, when the fat diving little bastard failed to land
ONE SINGLE PUNCH?
Wishful thinking on the part of anti Leeds wankers..Definitely.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Terry Hurlock would kick the shit out of the of them at the same time,WATP
bawbag003 2 years ago
Pair of puffs. lol Duncan Ferguson would have slaughtered the pair of them at the same time. RFC WATP BJK
16881873 2 years ago
Only if they burgled his house!
jackHNv 1 year ago
16881873 - I dare you to call either Norman or Franny a puff to their face! The pair of them are pensioners now but they'd still be able to kick the crap out of you. As for Ferguson, yes he was a hard boy, but he couldn't play football as well as Norman & Franny and that's what really counts.
helltopo 1 year ago
Get real, dude. Franny Lee was a diving bassa and Hunter was a journeyman thug. Still a pair of puffs, all the same. lol
16881873 1 year ago
Franny Lee despite his diving was a fantastic player, as was Hunter, who would have got far more England caps if it wasn't for Bobby Moore. Calling Hunter a 'journeyman thug' as well as a 'puff' is surely one of the stupidest things I've ever read here. Journeymen thugs don't get voted as player of the year by their peers.
You're either a flamer or a complete fool 'dude'.
helltopo 1 year ago
You're taking this issue far too personally for some reason, dude. lol Just calm down and admire the puffs.
16881873 1 year ago
You're not funny 'dude'
Did really think nobody was going to take issue with your original bone headed comments?
helltopo 1 year ago
Sit down, take a deep breath and laugh at the puffs Hunter & Lee. Feeling better now, dude ? lol
16881873 1 year ago
I'm too busy laughing at you!
helltopo 1 year ago
.....and also laughing at the puffs. Don't forget the puffs, Hunter & Lee. lol
16881873 1 year ago
No, just laughing at YOU 'dude'.
helltopo 1 year ago
You seem pretty riled up about the puffs Hunter & Lee, dude. Can't be doing the blood pressure any good. And relaaaaax. lol
16881873 1 year ago
STiLL laughing at you 'dude'!
helltopo 1 year ago
.....and still getting angry about me laughing at the puffs Hunter & Lee. lol Relax, dude.
16881873 1 year ago
It's been days and I'm still laughing at you!
helltopo 1 year ago
Keep obsessing about the puffs Hunter & Lee, dude. Some of us normal folk have lives to lead. lol
16881873 1 year ago
Still laughing at you!
helltopo 1 year ago
Still obsessed, dude. ? What a shame. lol
16881873 1 year ago
Not obsessed but still laughing at you 'dude'!
helltopo 1 year ago
@helltopo You're obsessed with the puffs,dude, but can't move on, which is highly amusing. lol
16881873 1 year ago
Me? obsessed? NO, you are as you keep posting!
Norman & Franny were great players - show them some respect
helltopo 1 year ago
@helltopo
I'll make it even easier for you,dude. Keep watching the puffs Hunter & Lee and avoid answering my posts. It'll cure your obsession. lol
16881873 1 year ago
Still laughing & still posting
helltopo 1 year ago
.....and still obsessed by me as your next reply will show,dude. lol Enjoy the puffery of Hunter & Lee.
16881873 1 year ago
Franny Lee was tough!!!
jkoff76 2 years ago
lmao! Lee punches like a right pussy
07jakeb07 2 years ago
Norman Hunter was the most cynical and dirty cunt who ever pulled on a football shirt. Billy Bremner was also a dirty cunt. The Leeds team of that era were cheating dirty cunts.
Hunter sneakily punches Lee full in the face and takes him by surprise, he gets his comeupance on the way to the bench.
The only objective way of refereeing Hunter would be to send him off before the kick off
sagahammer 2 years ago
Hunter was hard as was Bremner, but they could play footbal if the opposition wanted to play football.
Franny had conned the ref with one of his dives to earn Derby a penalty and I'm sure that's why Norman thumped him later on. When the two of them were punished by the FA, Lee came off worse, possibly because they saw that his earlier dive was the catalyst for the two punch ups.
helltopo 2 years ago
Unfortunately you can not put a point across without swearing, you know nothing of Leeds United and even less about football.A side can not kick its way to 11 finals, 2 championships, 5 championships runners up unless they can play and Leeds played total football long before the dutch.They where despised by the London media, who hated every team in the North bar Man United because they where an unfasionable club that became successful.Tthe ABC of football, arrogant, belligerent and class.
8742leeds 2 years ago
II know quite a lot about Leeds at that time and I don't think anybody says that Leeds weren't a good team full of great players. It was not just the London media (Northern paranoia again) that reviled them for their foul play and cynicism. Fans all over the country hated them because of their negative qualitities. Hunter and Bremner were among the worst cheats of that era, and if you don't accept that then you are ....well...a cunt.
sagahammer 2 years ago
Have to finish with bad language, I know when people do this they have nothing constructive to say.Leeds United where as good as any post war European team.Described by knowledgable people as 11 internationals all dressed in white.You know nothing about Leeds, nothing about Football.I do not have Northern paranoia as I am from Wales, but I followed Leeds since I was a boy and I know there true pedigree .They where hated because they where successful and never got the plaudits they deserved
8742leeds 2 years ago
Leeds were always a bunch of dirty thugs under the scumbag traitor revie.
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
Err no, Norm didn't get his comeuppance..as Fat bastard lee never actually landed a punch, just windmilled at thin air...Norm backed off cos he knew if he threw another punch he'd be in worse trouble..Lee didn't have the brains to figure that out !
Waht makes me laugh is twats like you saying Leeds were dirty, ..yet when the Leeds players moved to other clubs near the end of their careers, the clubs and fans said what great players they were.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Nobody hates all the teams of that era who won the league, like Man City, Everton, Nottingham Forest Derby or Liverpool. These were great teams with great players. Leeds were a great team with great players who were dirty and cheating too. I have nowhere said they could not play a bit.
Re. Hunter, he was almost running away from Lee before he fell over. Lee was rightfully angry because the sneaky sod hit him while he was not looking. It's not just me who said this, it was a consensus
sagahammer 2 years ago
Yes well as I said..Hunter was backing off so as not to get into any more trouble, he slipped and fell..and Lee never actually hit him.
If Lee was angry at being twatted, he shouldn't have dived for the penalty..that's what angered Hunter.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
If God wanted to give Northamptonshire an enama he would stuff the tube up Hunters arse!! Hunter was a wanker at the best of times. North of fucking Watford wot da ya xpect!
theyorkshirewhites1 2 years ago
Cheating? How? You can only rough it up so much with a referee and two linesmen watching. And you pay the price with disciplinary action. Bookings and sendings off. Leeds did not take tumbles to win decisions. Fact. Leeds did not win their games via 'dived for' penalties. If Leeds fouled, they were penalised, if they fouled again they were cautioned. EXACTLY the same rules as today. So tell me again, how were Leeds cheating. Sounds like you're a tad jealous mate.
1851davidb 2 years ago
They were a great team, yes.
They had great players, yes
They were dirty, yes.
They cheated, yes
1851davidb, I take your point, but Leeds were good at being dirty and cheating and therefore got away with most of it.
sagahammer 2 years ago
BTW Congratulations on your win at OT. Great stuff well done!
sagahammer 2 years ago
francis lee is my second cousin haha, never met him though
zackMCR93 2 years ago
I doubt if Lee even landed a punch, just throwing his fists around whilst Hunter had him at arms length out of reach.
lyngoodwin 2 years ago
hunter didnt get a chance because he was surprised when lee hit him and kept going hunter hit lee once and stopped because hes not a pussy
fardey 2 years ago
fuck off wanker leeds 4 ever
rubberducky3000 2 years ago
u calling me a wanker? u fuck off cunt leeds forever is true!
fardey 2 years ago
hunter wouldve kept fighting if his teammates didnt break them up
fardey 2 years ago
And got beat even more. Lee was all over him. Hunter was backing away.
The initial knockdown was a sucker punch.
antoconno 2 years ago
I vaguely remember this. Hunter spent most of the game simmering after Lee had dived to win an early penalty which was scored. He eventually could not control his temper any longer and dropped Lee with that right. The rest is history and very funny!
jwgeezer 2 years ago
All the people who are asying hunter got batterd?
count how many times lee acctually made contact with him, there wasnt no accurate punch then, they all failed, huntter put him on his arse!!!
x1owned09str 2 years ago
...so funny...Hunter running away like a scared rat hiding behind his teammates !
What a nonce !!
henrysbone 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
In Fatboy's Autobiography "Cheating for City, Derby and England", he says Hunter split his lip & broke 2 teeth" Hunter didn't haver a mark on him. 1-0 Hunter.
The FA suspended Hunter for 4 weeks & fined him £500. Lee got 8 wks and £1000Which hurt 'cos that's two weeks worth of Mars Bars & Ginsters. 2-0 Hunter.
Norman Hunter was voted first ever "Player's player " that year. Tommy Smith sez he voted for him 'cos he "Twatted that shit, Lee" Suspect other voters felt same. 3-0 Hunter.
schnibbitz 2 years ago
dont mess with him, he's ginger.
gypofrompast 2 years ago
fucking twatted him did franny lee hunter...my fucking arse!
sdsaucysd 2 years ago
Well done Fanny Lee, certainly sorted that dirty Leeds sod out.
TUBBYCLAYTON 2 years ago 2
He didn't sort him out..he never landed a fucking punch..watch the video properly..you fucking mug !
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
@TUBBYCLAYTON Well said Sir. Gave Garforth a bad name.
jonnybottle 1 year ago
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mansfieldram 2 years ago
Franny Lee is a fucking hero.Made hunter look like a puff.
mansfieldram 2 years ago
hunter wud kill him but wen they wer walkin to the side lee hit him when he was turned
LUFCpickerz95 2 years ago
Was at a dinner where Hunter said that he was scared Of Franny lee.
pheel1 2 years ago
I'm a neutral & I think Lee was the daddy here. Hunter was tall but he was too flimsy. Lee was like a pitbull. Hunter escaped certain death because his team mates stepped in to save him.
grahamblood 2 years ago
Good old franny lee, shame City don't have a real fight like that these days. Would be very entertaining indeed
pizzaandmetal 2 years ago
Ha! What a pathetic bullying cunt Hunter was! See him run from the furious little Lee!
ryko26 2 years ago
Always respected lee after that
carkeyking13 2 years ago
is fuckin rite little franny lee.
ryanlfc87 2 years ago
Norman Hunter shouldnt be hitting fat women!!!!
XXXXShelts 2 years ago 3
The referee should have abandoned the match on account of ridiculously long sideboards being worn.
bluebus270 2 years ago 2
haha.
Hunter's first punch on Lee knocked him to the ground, then when Lee tried it with Hunter he didnt land a single punch.
lmao!
djbd2k7 2 years ago 2
That's because Hunter was crab dancing backwards. He didn't stand and fight, he ran!
grahamblood 2 years ago
It's called dodging, hes hardly gonna stand in the path of one of his flying fists is he?
djbd2k7 2 years ago
It's also called not fighting back. Hunter was shitting himself.
emeraldxm 2 years ago
Franny Lee of Manchester City, Derby County and England was one of the first players in English football to get a reputation for diving. In one season he scored 35 goals, 15 of which came from penalties mainly won by him. This inevitably led to accusations of simulation and he was dubbed Lee One Pen or Lee Won Pen
Tplayers 2 years ago
Lee might be a fat lad, but he took Hunter, bigstyle. Northern monkee's!! Only joking lads. Need more decent clips like these.
mohillgooner 2 years ago
thats proper football proper shirts proper grounds...when fans owned the beautiful game
LUFC896 2 years ago 2
He seemed hard enough to make a no mark bully like Hunter brick it
northeasttoffee122 2 years ago
Franny couldn't be less hard if he tried.
joswatkin 2 years ago
go on frannie my son. you should of knocked that twat hunters head off while you had the chance. Frannie won that fight by a mile.
dcfc36 2 years ago
he won the fight??? he didnt land a single punch!
beanaldo 2 years ago
Franny Lee true Howfen gent. Av that Hunter Ya puff.
yelo2 3 years ago
lee the legend
kokakola41 3 years ago
Oh the heave of the terraces. Notice the punches no handbags at dawn in those days. sighhhh
kiz660 3 years ago
Great right cross Norman
lkijju 3 years ago
Hunter fell over after not being punched. Lee missed him!
meekz111192 3 years ago
"I'm sure that they must have been sent off this time". What the fuck has football come to! Loved that Leeds away kit as well.
Chelsea1ManU0 3 years ago
hunters 1st punch split lees lips so bad he could of poked his tongue through it
oooooooFELIXooooooo 3 years ago
Frankie Lee was a poof!!!! BITES YA LEGS!!!
XXXXShelts 3 years ago
i wish i was around for football back then! wish it was still like this these days. lee got wacked but still got straight up. these days u sneeze next to a player and they fall down!
MOT
deathcab2908 3 years ago
Great stuff and the best part is that Hunter and Lee were good mates off the field and roomed together for England games.
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