I got a joke very one-- ok ther was a doctor and he had a patient with a cold, he sead to his patient, "well, you have a bad case of being a bitch, ill prascribe u a bottle of MAN THE FUCK UP!" thats my fealings on the subject of Freds "vew". every thing that dosnt kill u makes u stronger. its time our goverments and cities stary cracking down on the "WEEK" in WW2 ther was no help, ther was only hard work and sucking it up and if u didnt like it it sucked to be you. time to MAN THE FUCK UP US!
He missed the point too...I liked that he said the Confederate Battle Flag should be flown with a group of flags showing diversity...like the American Flag...
@jusitke07 Just like the nazi flag represents the holocaust and the war that destroyed eurasia. The meaning behind it has been lost to an event which has demonized it. The victors write the history books, my friend.
@Snapshot290 Not to be unkind and I do NOT hate any group of people. But there are still survirrors of the Holocaust liveing even 2 generation from the Holocaust. No liveing surrivers or 2 ed generation of the Ciivil War...isnt that a huge differance in and of its self
and doesn't the Flag of the United States of America also represent all that you just said?
hasn't all that happened under our great flag?...sad to say, yes...If you know your american history, the flag was first flown in January 1777 after the Battles of Trenton and Princeton...The Confederate Battle Flag is not the problem...the ones holding on to racism and using it as propaganda are...
@opinions2ufrmme If the US Flag represent the same as the Confederate, then Blacks, Jews, Native Americans, and Asians would have limited rights and Jim Crow Laws would still exist today, right? Yeah, I don't think so.
Nonetheless, thanks or indirectly admitting to the fact the Confederate represents racism, oppression, and slavery.
@jusitke07 It does not, and never did. The Klan flew US flag too, & was very active in Indiana & Ohio. Why is US flag not racist? It is; always has been.
@Cionaodh57 Oh sure the Klan flew the US flag, but historically it was the Confederates under the Confederate flag (obviously) that was pro-Slavery and wanted Blacks to remain as Slaves.
He kind of got mealy-mouthed there at the end, but I agree with him. A person should have the right to have that flag as part of their private property if they want. But it has no place in the public life of the United States. First and foremost it is the flag of people who made war on the United States for the stated intention of protecting the "right" of white people to own black ones, one of the worst causes for which human beings ever went to war.
@jusitke07 oh really....well, LONG LIVE THE SOUTH....the north was about a murdering blood loving president who waged war on his own people and practiced "total war" raping pillaging........multi culturalism is a sure way to destroy any nation......this country is worse for having it.......and will fall soon from within as a result ...so go fuk yourself
@232323C So you hate "multiculturalism" huh...White Supremacist? If so, I wouldn't be surprised you like the Confederate Flag and the Nazi Flag together.
I celebrate the US flag every 4th of July and then some. Even with all its faults. Like slavery, military conscription, corrupt police, corrupt politicians, war crimes, denial of basic human rights to my fellow citizens, the disasters at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the internment camps for Japanese citizens during WW2, Vietnam, nuclear weaponry, the Bay of Pigs embarrassment, the FBI, Prohibition, etc. This flag is guilty of all this, and yet we still wave it. Tell me why.
@INbredMonarchy The obvious racists KKK and Neo Nazi groups in America (especially around the world too) carry the Nazi & Confederate Flag proudly on street marchs as their particular freedom of speech.
@jusitke07 Well i'm sure you can tell the difference between a Klan member and a Southern person that is just simply proud to be Southern. Every state flag in the South was flown under this one, but nobody protests when they see them. I just find it humorous that people would go crazy seeing this flag but they're okay with other flags guilty of worse crimes flying in their own country. Ever been to Six Flags?
@INbredMonarchy Just like Senator Fred Thomas (along with many other educated folks out there in this world) said here in this video at 0:09, "For a great a many Americans, it's a symbol of racism"
@INbredMonarchy "This flag is guilty of all this, and yet we still wave it. Tell me why."
Because it's done other good things, too. Taking humans to the moon. Helping free Europe, twice. Giving the world the polio vaccine for free (thank you, Dr. Salk). Declaring that all men are created equal, and finally going to war to make that real rather than just rhetorical, and then including women, too.
What's the best thing the Stars and Bars ever presided over? Giving the president a line-item veto?
@PatchesRips Of course the answer is as you say, we celebrate our flag because we can see something good in it, but there are others who don't see the good things about it and so they burn it and desecrate it. The only point i'd like to make is that every nation got where it's at today because they stomped on others unjustly. This flag is hated by some for slavery, but EVERY western nation had slaves so we should be fair in our criticisms. Now go and protest the other flags equally.
Mine didn't. Nevertheless, the CSA was founded principally on the basis of maintaining slavery and in the hopes of expanding it. Name me another Western nation that had THAT as its foundational framework. THAT'S the point. While other Western nations were finally eliminating slavery after centuries, the Confederacy came into existence almost purely to defend and promote it. That's the legacy of that flag in the eyes of humanity.
@PatchesRips Southern folks were drafted as well for both world wars to fight for the Union and they did so bravely with the Reconstruction fresh on their minds. Some of the best American warriors came from the South. And this country could never have come this far split in half. It's symbiotic. This flag symbolizes the pride of the Southern people. It still reminds us of our deep seeded fighting spirit. It also reminds people in the North that we are still here when they mean to overlook us.
@INbredMonarchy "Southern folks were drafted as well for both world wars to fight for the Union and they did so bravely with the Reconstruction fresh on their minds."
Fifty and seventy years later? No one of draft age in either war was ALIVE during Reconstruction. Give me a break. You might as well draft ME with "the Depression fresh" in my mind.
@INbredMonarchy "Some of the best American warriors came from the South. And this country could never have come this far split in half."
Yeah, yeah, and Georgia peaches can't be beat, whatever... Which as exactly WHAT to do, please, with the fact that the Stars and Bars is objectionable on the basis that it stood for a regime predicated on and dedicated to the enslavement of an entire race of humanity?
@INbredMonarchy "This flag symbolizes the pride of the Southern people."
And if the Germans told you, nah, forget all that Holocaust and invading Europe stuff, our Swastika symbolizes German pride and fighting spirit, would that wash with you? Seriously?
@PatchesRips What they do in their own country doesn't concern me, i don't give a damn if they take pride in what they accomplished under the Nazi flag. I wouldn't call them racist without meeting them to find out for myself, but guess what, i have been to Germany and they aren't racist pigs. It's a wonderful country full of wonderful people and so is the Southern U.S. But would you consistently kick and scream if you saw a British flag waving and people celebrating their empire's glory days?
@INbredMonarchy "It's a wonderful country full of wonderful people"
Yeah, who aren't wandering around waving the Swastika or whining because they can't. They know what flags like that mean and they want nothing to do with them. Wish the same could be said everywhere, but clearly, we're not there yet...
@INbredMonarchy "would you consistently kick and scream if you saw a British flag waving and people celebrating their empire's glory days? "
If the whole idea was "let's break away from France so we can OWN people", yeah, probably. Fortunately that wasn't the foundation or sustenance of the Empire... unlike the CSA.
@PatchesRips Right the foundation was to 'rule over and civilize people of lesser races'. They installed the caste system in India. They found it was easier to just enslave people in their own countries rather than import them in chains, but that's okay because they OFFICIALLY denounced slavery? We would all like to remember our greatest moments sometimes without hearing about our worst ones, but you can't have it both ways. If you want to point out certain country's faults then so will i.
No, they didn't; the caste system predated the European colonization of India. If anything, the British worked to alleviate it and abolished the caste of "untouchables" (though it was virtually impossible to actually enforce it).
To equate wresting the political control of a country to actually LEGALLY owning, selling, torturing, raping, and wringing forced labour from other human beings is to equivocate contemptibly.
@INbredMonarchy "We would all like to remember our greatest moments"
Okay, let's cut to the chase... which were WHAT, exactly? Celebrating a bunch of pompous, blue-eyed bigots who never heard of a razor swanning around on horses, waving swords, and exhorting hundreds of thousands of men to betray the country of their birth and kill their own countrymen to defend a "right" to own darker-skinned human beings that accrued largely to rich people? Yeah, sure, party time! Celebrate away... :/
@PatchesRips If you want to say slavery was wrong, then just say that. But to single out one nation that doesn't even exist anymore is inconsistent and biased. The entire western hemisphere was founded on slavery but you can only manage to complain about the Rebel flag? Tens of thousands were executed(murdered) during France's Reign of Terror without trial but that's okay because they were nicer to ex-slaves than the other Western nations? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Look, I'll say it again in case you missed it. I'm not singling anyone out; I didn't make this video. Someone else did, and THEY singled out the South. I'm explaining WHY the world by and large looks on with horror at seeing people glorify a flag that's only a few shades less objectionable than Nazi Germany's. If nobody explains to you WHY the world feels that way, you're always going to be puzzled... though in this day and age you shouldn't.
@INbredMonarchy "The entire western hemisphere was founded on slavery"
And here's the difference. MOST countries in it, when they broke away from their empires (well, okay, in virtually every case, we mean "Spain") abolished slavery. Mexico did; in fact, that's one of the reasons the English-speaking settlers in Texas held their revolution and broke away... to facilitate slaveholding in Texas, banned under Mexican rule. The ONLY "country" that broke away to PROMOTE slavery was the Confederacy.
@PatchesRips I'd just like to see a little more consistency in the criticisms. The CSA weren't the only ones who did this shit and those other flags are still flying.
@INbredMonarchy Other countries did engage in slavery. But they didn't establish themselves to do so. They didn't write paeans in praise of slavery and how it justified an unutterably ironic struggle for "freedom" from others. And their flags predated and postdated periods in which they engaged in it, and don't symbolize simply the struggle to preserve it and nothing more. The Confederate flag does. It was raised in the struggle to preserve slavery, and fell when it ended. That's ALL it is.
@INbredMonarchy To put a fine point on it... every country has aspects of its history that, in retrospect, it's not proud of. You brought up the Reign of Terror. Do you see Frenchmen running around, hoisting blood-soaked guillotines onto public buildings and insisting on the right to be proud of that period in their history? No, because they're NOT.
The South is part of the United States, and it's the part that was dedicated to slavery. It took a war in which 600,000 died to end that.
@INbredMonarchy (cont'd) Rather than come to terms with the reality of that, some Americans want to minimize it, pretend it never happened, insist it was about something else... to wash the United States clean of what is, in truth, the most monstrous fact of its history. Denying it is was made the Jim Crow laws, segregation, and discrimination go down so easily. Pride in a made-up history denies centuries of unimaginable suffering that need to be recognized and remembered.
@INbredMonarchy (cont'd) I understand why a need to feel proud of one's history would drive people to do this. Nevertheless, it's a LIE that needs to be resisted. There are many, many, many things in American history to be justly proud of. BREAKING THE COUNTRY UP TO DEFEND THE OWNERSHIP OF ONE'S FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT AMONG THEM. Find other things to be proud of, and learn to live with the reality of what that flag stood for when it aspired to be the flag of a nation before the world.
@PatchesRips I brought up the French revolution because they still wave that flag proudly, and they should. They have plenty to be proud of. I don't wish to capitalize on their faults, but i am well aware of where and when that flag came from. Having been waved and celebrated around a guillotine covered in blood. One of the greatest military leaders that ever lived was from France(Napoleon), but we don't remember him as a tyrant, we remember him as a great general. Good things are more memorable
@INbredMonarchy "they still wave that flag proudly, and they should. They have plenty to be proud of."
No, that's MY argument as to why other countries still wave their flags despite having that as a part of their past. That's why you can wave the Stars and Stripes, too. The Stars and Bars has NOTHING to recommend it. For the four years it meant ANYTHING, it meant going to war to keep slaves. The flag YOU'RE after is the one on the moon, Iwo Jima, and Yorktown.
@PatchesRips Well i think i've spoken my peace. I've already posted everything i would say back to you. My point has been the same the whole time. Now, i don't know you or where you hail from, but my guess is that where ever you are, you're proud of your people and their past. Well so am i, and this is a part of my past. I don't hurt anyone while celebrating my past, and i'm not ashamed of this flag. My guess is that neither you nor i will change our minds on the subject. Have a good one.
Remember that Northerners sold their slaves South so as not to lose money on them!
and didn't Northen Textile Factories readily accept cotton picked with the blood, sweat and tears of Slaves in the Agricultural South?...the Country was divided long before Civil War erupted...
@opinions2ufrmme "Remember that Northerners sold their slaves South"
Remember that the last state north of the Mason-Dixon Line to ban slavery was New Jersey, and that was in 1804. Nobody who ever owned slaves in the North was even alive by the time of the Civil War, nor were the purported slaves of which you speak.
Yes, and so did Britain. Given that by the time the Civil War started the South was supplying over 50% of the world's cotton, there wasn't a lot of choice in the matter.
But more to the point, the North fought hard to keep slavery from expanding, and when the time came, fought hard to eliminate it. Textile workers in Manchester rallied in support of the NORTH during the war.
@PatchesRips No you wouldn't because you've already decided which parts of history you'd like to believe and which parts you'd like to leave out. The British, Japanese, Soviet, and Belgian empires did things just as bad and some of them plenty worse than the Nazis. The Confederate states were just a blip on the radar compared to these, but it's all you pay attention to. What about how our own country treated American Indians? As i said before, there are no good guys in the history book.
According to NPS dot gov, written by park ranger Don Pettijohn on Feb. 2006: With the issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, President Abraham Lincoln changed the course of the America’s Civil War between the United States (Union) and the Confederate States (Confederacy). The Proclamation added the abolition of slavery to the preservation of the Union as a goal for the successful Union effort.
I've worked and lived on every continent except South America and let me tell ya something. EVERY country and every race thinks their better than every other country and every other race. It's just human nature.
@jusitke07 You might be offended by the battle flag, but that's just your opinion, not historical truth as you claim. While it's probably true that most people who display the battle flag are also racists, I don't think they display it as a symbol of racism. They display it to show their hatred of the US government, masked as "southern heritage".
@KayBeeEee1983 Sorry but that's not my opinion. That's fact. Go to the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC and they'll tell you how the Southern Confederates were mostly racist, pro-slavery, and most are pro-Whites. Whereas they'll teach you the Northern Union had the most Abolitionists, Pro-humanity, and where Harriett Tubman led the underground railroad of Slaves to Freedom and oppression from the South.
@jusitke07 It's a fact that neo-confederates display the battle flag to express their racism? I doubt it, they save that for their KKK meetings.
The entire country was racist, even the abolitionists, who made up a small but vocal minority and mostly came from New England. Read Uncle Tom's Cabin. The most racist character is an abolitionist from New England.
The south seceded because of slavery, but these neo-confederates are ignorant. They think it was about taxes and states' rights.
@KayBeeEee1983 Fred Thompson is an educated man, I am an educated person, most educated person in the world knows for a fact that the Confederate Flag represents racism, oppression, Slavery, bigotry, and lynchings. Only the uneducated Red-necks lie to themselves to think that the Confederates were the good guys and the Union were the bad guys in American history. Trying to decieve others to think that is trying to re-write history and that is flat out lying. Not going to happen in our lifetime
@jusitke07 I think you have misunderstood us. When you review history, you will ONLY find bad guys. We all tend to pick which ones we like more. What about the Romans,Vikings,Samurai,Turks,British Empire? No 'good guys' there, just bad intentions all around.The trend of the times (19th century) among European nations was to get rid of slavery in the homeland, only to export slavery back to Africa. So they appear to denounce slavery while supporting it at the same time. No 'good guys' in history.
@INbredMonarchy Well I don't see any parades proudly displaying these flags openly parading in any streets of the US of A. What do you suppose most Americans will react when they see a Nazi flag being proudly paraded in any streets of America and call it "heritage"? And how would you personally feel about that?
@jusitke07 Well i wouldn't put Nazi Germany in the same category as the C.S.A. The Nazis were a murderous regime hell bent on genocide. The Confederacy was trying to preserve what had been declared at the time of U.S. independence. So then our U.S. flag must be a symbol of racist hate. The Nazi flag has never represented Americans so that would get on my nerves. Seeing Americans running around with U.K. flags on their clothing gets on my nerves too, but I'm not stopping them.
@jusitke07 I have seen the flags of Mexico,Jamaica,Puerto Rico,USSR,Japan,S.Korea,Brazil,Ireland,Scotland,Texas Rep,UK,South Africa,Canada,Australia,Morocco,Italy,Greece,Philippines,Marshall Isles,Samoa,Tonga,Belgium,Israel,Dominican Rep,Haiti,Cuba,Barbados,Argentina,Czech Rep,Ukraine,Spain,Lebanon,Croatia,Costa Rica,Switzerland,Malaysia,Thailand, and New Zealand proudly displayed in the USA. The Nazi flag is the ONLY one that pisses me off.
@jusitke07 Here in the USA, the largest ethnic group is the Germans(I'm not German). We have all kinds of German heritage festivals across the country and they are fun to attend. NONE of which fly the Nazi flag, and yet they are proud of their heritage, while not condoning their previous nation's mistakes. So if we are to attack flags of heritage, I suggest we take a good, long look at the Union Jack of the UK, if one were to guess which flag has more blood on it than any other, look no further.
@jusitke07 BTW I am well aware of the similarity between the Union Jack and the Confederate battle flag. I'm not hating on British folks (I'm of Scotch/Irish/English descent), but we should all remember where and when our flags come from and where they have been. Not a damn one of them is clean of blood and corruption. As they say it's about heritage not hate. I'm sorry i couldn't answer in fewer words and i don't mean to offend.
@INbredMonarchy Sorry for the late response. Do you know of any well known mass genocide or holocaust the British have committed? I know for sure under both the Nazi and Confederate Flags there many purposeful sadistic well known murders, lynchings, and holocaust.
@jusitke07 Of course you speak of Andersonville, GA and the inhumane treatment of slaves. It's true that all happened. There's no denying the facts, but i would like to point out that the Rebel soldiers were running a POW camp and not a concentration camp. Also most of the remaining Rebs were underfed and nearly starving in more cases than one at that point in the war, while the slaves on their land back home were still being fed. But even after the war racism played a huge role under our flag.
@INbredMonarchy said, "Of course you speak of Andersonville, GA and the inhumane treatment of slaves. It's true that all happened. There's no denying the facts..."
Thank you. I'll leave it at that for all to read. Cheers
@jusitke07 Well i don't get to choose what's true and what's false in history, every flag tells its own horror stories and none are innocent of blood and slavery. Not even our's. I just wish everyone could acknowledge that one simple fact so we can all move on. Peace.
@INbredMonarchy If the Nazi and/or the Confederate Flag is give the time to be glorified and marched around proudly, how the hell does society move on, when you have the uneducated racists carrying these flags proudly? That's where I and others like me come in to put a stop to these stupids.
FUCK THE DAMN CONFEDERATE FLAG YOU DAMN REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES RAISING WHITE TRASH CHILDREN THAT FUCK THEIR SISTERS! THIS A NEW AGE AND A NEW MOVEMENT OF OPEN MINDED PEOPLE AND YOUTH! THE SOUTH IS STILL 100 YEARS IN THE PAST
@crazymanjonchin The South is still here, son. We're still here and we still beleive in what our ancestors fought and DIED for. They fought for the freedom of what they saw as an oppression. Look at it this way. If you were in a club and other members of that club decided to get involved in your personal life and tell you what you could and couldn't do wouldn't you want to and have the right to leave that club? That's what the Southern states did and that's what the Confederate flag stands for.
@Caveman67100 SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT WHITE SOUTHERNERS AND THEIR DAMN FUCKING FREEDOM
LAME ASS SHIT!
SO YOU ARE SAYING WE SHOULD OF LET THE WHITE TRASH SOUTHERNERS HAVE THE FREEDOM TO OPPRESS ANOTHER HUMAN RACE> YOU ARE SAYING THAT SLAVERY IS OKAY? BULL SHIT
THEY WERE NOT FIGHTING FOR THEIR "FREEDOM" THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR :FREEDOM TO HAVE SLAVES"
BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU RACIST ASS BITCHES
FUCK THAT DAMN FLAG AND FUCK WHITE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH
@crazymanjonchin the south could not have fought so long and so hard unless they saw that their cause was just and that god was on their side. So many men gave their property and left their families behind with noone to care for them and so many of these brave men died and continued to fight even when they knew that they were losing; until finally general lee surrendered. Do you really think that they would have fought so hard and so long and with so much bravery just to keep slavery? Hell no
@1eagleboy1 There's no doubt that most of the Confederate soldiers thought their cause was just, but that's because they were deceived by their political leaders. For example, South Carolina told its citizens that the Republican Party had declared that "a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States." Taking advantage of the memories and fears of John Brown's raid, they scared their people into believing that there would be a war whether they seceded or not
So you thiunk the flag of the southern states represents trators ? First of all you suck, second we defended our states aginst an invasion of the most powerful army in the world an killed more of them than we lost so screw you.
The irony of Americans flying a Confederate flag is palpable. Given these individuals tend to be the most vocal proponents of "patriotism" and "freedom", it's amusing to no end to see them fly a flag of a traitorous, illegal cabal of slavocrats without understanding the contradictory implications.
Robert E. lee only joined the south because he did not want to fight against his home state of virginia, not implying that the south was evil. Too bad polical correctness isn't taught in history.
@leeharveyosmosis right. Then we consider the fact that Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee originally voted against secession, with the vote completely reversed after Lincoln decided to return the South to the Union by force.
Fun Fact: The Southern States seceded because they wanted to maintain and expand the entire institution of slavery, or because they wanted to defend their "property rights".
.....but one guy freed his slaves, all that other shit doesn't matter now.
@Porty1119 Bullshit. What historic facts do you have to back that up. None. I'm sure both men held slaves but a southerner wouldnot free their slaves for shit.
As a Texan I find it hilarious that my fellow southerns cannot stand it when blacks bring up slavery but so many of us still bring up the civil war, oh sorry I mean the "War of Northern aggression." Get over it man, we lost the damn war and there is no reason to cling the standard of a failed nation.
@Plato86 We lost the military conflict. The war is far from over. In fact, I see more violent conflict in our future if things don't shape up. The flag which was a battle flag remains a standard against government tyranny. Sic semper tyrannis.
It remains a standard against government tyranny while it was a standard for formal government tyranny called slavery and aristocracy? Did you know that under the Confederacy if you did not own land you could not vote? That is not a government worth fighting for because it is not government that respects individual rights but only the rights of the wealthy white men. "Thus always with tyrants" indeed, the only government worth fighting for is a government that respects the rights of all people.
@Plato86 Ha Ha...blah blah. BTW: I disagree with the rich southern whites in that conflict also. They were stiff necked and should have attempted to avoid war. As for your tyrant remark. Indeed. The U.S. government of American is one of the bloodiest in history. Wiped out First peoples ( those heroic Yankees who fought for blacks to be free ha ), and has involved itself in killing overseas almost continuously. Who will ever know the millions we have slaughtered in the name of Freedom.
LOL and Southerns and states did not participate willingly and eagerly in the Indian wars? O.K and the Easter Bunny is real. No doubt the U.S gov has blood on its hands but at least by 1861 it had evolved to the point that it realized that enslaving other people was wrong. As for wars abroad it is not like most Southerns were against any of those wars either so I do not see your point.
@Plato86 Typical. I doubt this conversation will go very far considering you are reading revisionist history. We finished up the indians after the war. 1862 to 1875 pretty much finished up the indians and it was mostly done by filthy Yankee government thugs. The North had evolved? what a laugh. They hated blacks worse than southerners and treated them so. It's well documented during Sherman's march. Lincoln was a butcher. I'm only wish he had been shot earlier.
It is revisionist history to say that Southern and southern states fought and exterminated Native Americans? Have you ever heard of a southern named Andrew Jackson( my favorite President) and the Seminole war? What do you think happened to the tribes in Texas once we won our independence from Mexico? I am not ashamed to be a Southern nor I am ashamed to be a Texan but you cannot pretend that we did not slaughter the Indians in our States. I do not think Lincoln was a butcher, the was Grant
@Plato86 Did you note the dates I mentioned? It was in the context of the comment that Northerners had evolved into decent humans beings enough to kill 600,000 of their fellow Americans to free some blacks most whites felt superior to during that time. Yes..the trail of tears is a blight on our nation as have been many of our wars. Including the war for Southern independence and later reconstruction. Lincoln was a butcher unless you can justify 600,000 + dead Americans.
In the name of liberation and freedom 600,000 + dead is justifiable, at least according to Thomas Jefferson and ever other Founding Father who fought against their British "masters." I cannot sympathize with the Confederate elite that sought to enslave their fellow man and fought for the right to do so. Were their racists in the North who saw blacks as inferior? Absolutely. Does that mean that the Union was as immoral and barbaric as the Confederacy? No.
@Plato86 Wow. Amazing you would play with life in such a way. You are as barbaric as Lincoln and the rest of the Yankee industrialist. Most of the rest of the civilized world freed their slaves without war. The north wanted war and it could have cared less about slaves. You pathetic politically correct term of " enslave their fellow men " rings hollow also since no one fought a war to free orphaned children forced into factories nor employers from literally locking their employees in factories.
Thank you Ron Paul I know the rest of the world freed slaves without war but there was no way in hell the South was just going to sell off their slaves to the North. They were not going to stop until the were put in the ground and their cities burned. Just ask yourself if a man has a right to kill another man who seeks to enslave him and you will see how moot your comment is. The slaves had a right to kill the planter elite in order to be free and thus the North also had that right. Stop crying.
@Plato86 You say, " the south " when only around 4% owned them. The average southerner didn't own them and resented the southerners who did. Stating facts about the rest of civilization seems to bother you and get in the way of your lust for blood against southerners. You bigotry is showing. Also, again, do you think the average northerner who hated blacks would shed blood defending them.? I think not. Self righteousness is what the Yankee suffers from.
You calling me a Yankee now? LOL my father's side of the family has been on Texas soil when the state was still part of Mexico and I have ancestors who fought for our independence, the Mexican American War and Confederacy. Yeah I guess that makes me a yankee right? I know the average farmer did not own slaves but he did participated in slaves patrols and made sure that any escaped slaves were returned to their masters. Moreover the trade between small farmers and planters kept slavery going.
@Plato86 I don't know if you are a Yankee, but you are spewing the Yankee myth of history. The average farmer like the average worker today had little say about what went on and had to take jobs like running down slaves because they had no power and were dependent upon the class structure of the time. Trying to judge those times by today's standards it ridiculous. Especially since we have no better record. We slaughter millions in the name of freedom.
@Plato86 The only difference is now WHITES are the only ones seen as some universal evil while blacks, Jews and other non whites are seen as noble, of superior character and etc. And among whites...southern whites and Germans are seen as the most evil of all. Flying completely in the face of any common sense or decency or even honesty. Political correctness is poison. The Northern legend of history is just that. Glorifying men like Custer, Lincoln and Sherman and vilifying men like Lee
@Plato86 Also..I am not claiming the souther any more moral than the north. Evil existed on both sides. They certainly was no less moral by the moral standards of that time. Bottom line: The right to secession legit and understood by both sides. What Lincoln and the north did was the same thing the Soviets did keeping their satellites.
There is no right to secession in the Constitution, in fact there is a prohibition against states seceeding and forming a Confederacy. " No State shall be enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing..." Art I section 10 Const.
TheConfederacy was a tyranny and like all tyrannies it deserved to be destroyed because it was illegitimate.
@Plato86 Ridiculous. Who formed the federal government? The states. Not the other way around. Do you think the states would have left the articles of Confederation and entered into ( the controversial ) Constitution without having the right to later leave if they want? If so...what makes America any different than the soviets? Since you seem to dislike tyrannies. How would American be any less a tyranny if it kept people who didn't want to be part of and who made a formal declaration to leave.
Were in the Constitution does it say that states have a right to secession? Have you even read the Constitution or are you just going off what you heard at he local Sons of the Confederacy meeting? Again Art I Section 10 of the Constitution " No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit;..." I guess you do not see the words of the Constitution as binding?
@Plato86 Ha Ha..Plenty of info out there. That is not what Art 1 is dealing with and you know it. Here is president Lincoln (a lawyer) in his own words on the subject...Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
@Plato86 guess you were in favor of the unfair taxation done to the south by the federal government also. On slavery...Grant's wife didn't give up here slaves until after the war..when she was forced to by law.
Fred Thompson is an idiot. If you use the argument of guilt by association or someone being offended then nothing in American history could be used, we'd have to live in shame forever. Likewise you could do the same for any country on Earth because they have all committed perceived crimes and atrocities.
The main problem here is you have a minority who wish to impose their will on the majority. Foreigners and minorities don't get to decide what the majority of Whites are going to do.
@FloridaBoyRisingUp Actually, in year 1807 the United States of America abolished external slave trade. The only type of slave trade that occurred was internal. And, if I do recall correctly, the Confederate flag had not even been thought of yet. So, your comment is completely false
Respond to this video... Actually, in year 1807 the United States of America abolished external slave trade. The only type of slave trade that occurred was internal. And, if I do recall correctly, the Confederate flag had not even been thought of yet. So, your comment is completely false
@nemo2000000 Not really. The parliament pretty much has all the power, and they are elected by the people. The queen or current monarch doesn't really have any power except for choosing the prime minister, which they usually do based upon the results of the election.
@SSSIappy138 You're right the parliament/government has all the real political power, but the queen is still the head of state, this makes the UK still a monarchy even though the royals exert little or no power.
@nemo2000000 You're right. It's technically still a monarchy but the way the government is set up is a parliamentary democracy . So it is a monarchy and democracy. The point I was making is that the confederate states seceding from the United States is totally different from the American Revolution. During the latter we had no representation in Britain (they were a true monarchy at the time) and they wanted to govern us from overseas. The confederates seceding was completely unwarranted. We
@SSSIappy138 "the confederate states seceding from the United States is totally different from the American Revolution. During the latter we had no representation in Britain"
Indeed. We had no representation in Parliament. The Slave states had MORE representation in Congress than they even deserved because of the 3/5 compromise. How can they count slaves toward the population? They should've been able to count horses and cows then, too.
@KayBeeEee1983 Slavery was wrong and southerners who wave around the confederate flag are in denial if they think the civil war had nothing to do with slavery. There should not have been slaves in the first place, and everyone should have been able to vote since the beginning our nation. "all men are created equal..."
@SSSIappy138 Just to let you know, but the first seven United States Presidents were slave owners. Also, slavery was only a minor issue concerning the Civil War. The main issue was states rights being trampled on. Especially since the year of 1857. The most compelling reason for secession was when Abraham Lincoln assumed presidency, he initiated the highest import/export tax in the nation's history, even to this day. This tax bankrupted many southerners since cotton needed to be exported
@Thjeca Actually we are a representative democracy, which is a democracy and part republic. We are part republic because of the constitution and the limited power of government, and we are a democracy because the people elect our representatives and the majority rules. The consitition isn't perfect and the way our founders had it set up only wealty white men had a voice in the election. I'm glad we've came a long way from that..
@Thjeca "WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY. Why do people not understand this?"
Because people don't know what a republic is. Apparently you don't really know the difference either, or else you would've explained what you think the difference is. We are a democratic republic. A democracy is a government in which the people have the power. A republic is a government in which the head of state does not choose his own successor.
What was the civil war about? oh yeah slavery so they say some still raciest in Mississippi if you are black don't take ass to South Haven MS.TO 75% Mississippi you still a nigger to them rebel flag is a symbol of hate black & white people need love one each other the way GOD want it to be as a Black man we forgive you for slavery HELP US FOR GET AND PUT AWAY THAT FLAG 4 GOOD .
@northmemphis48 Why should people put away a flag that means a lot to them just because it offends you? I'm not a racist. I don't hate people based solely on the color of their skin. But there's no way on God's green Earth I'd put away my rebel flag just because it's "politically incorrect" and "offensive". And for the record, most white men, including myself, don't care if you forgive us or not.
Were you a slave? No. Were your parents slaves? No. Are there slave owners? No. Get over yourself.
@RightWingRebel you don't shit about me or my parent's my dad had me when he was 65 in 1978 my grandfather grew up in slavery .fuck you and your rebel flag hunky mother fucker.
Blame the kkk. They turned the flag into a racist symbol. If anything the flag truly symbolizes treason and rebellion. but thanks to the Inbreds its now a racist symbol, so they are the only ones to blame.
@Dglaproductions Kinda like the US Flag represents treason against England? And if the only thing you think of when you see a confederate flag is racism...then that's a character flaw in yourself.
@don417 Obviously you have no clue what I meant. I never said it. I never said the Confederate flags true meaning is racism. I said people THINK it is a symbol of racism because of the kkk. Not that is IS a symbol of racism. And Technically yes, the American flag is a symbol of treason and rebellion, since it is what the American colonists did they went against the British, just like the confederates went against the federal government.
@don417 Omfg. The Imbreds are the KKK, who turned it into a racist symbol. And because of them, common people only see it as such, well at least in the north. That's exactly what my comment meant, derp.
@Dglaproductions So it's impossible for you to have a discussion without resorting to childish name calling. Your IQ is too low to even continue a dialog. But keep making generalizations about how everyone is the same, I'm sure that will serve you well in life. Ciao'
@don417 Yeah right, I'm going to be nice to low lives like them who harm, insult and kill people just because of the way they look. Making generalizations on how everyone is the same? WHEN! You're saying my IQ is low, when you're saying I did things that I didn't. Where did I say eveyrone is the same..point it out. I said people in the north see it as a racist symbol, not ALL of them. And its obvious people do see it as such, case and point, this video. Understand? Or do we have to do this again
i agree with fred thompson. it would be like hanging the nazi flag in public places. if you want to hang it up in your trailer, that's fine, but keep that symbol of slavery and treason out of our public buildings.
Also for all the people who think the union was so great. Ulysses( or useless) grant was forced, by the government, to free his own slaves. After the union had already won.
I got a joke very one-- ok ther was a doctor and he had a patient with a cold, he sead to his patient, "well, you have a bad case of being a bitch, ill prascribe u a bottle of MAN THE FUCK UP!" thats my fealings on the subject of Freds "vew". every thing that dosnt kill u makes u stronger. its time our goverments and cities stary cracking down on the "WEEK" in WW2 ther was no help, ther was only hard work and sucking it up and if u didnt like it it sucked to be you. time to MAN THE FUCK UP US!
redconfederate 1 week ago
He missed the point too...I liked that he said the Confederate Battle Flag should be flown with a group of flags showing diversity...like the American Flag...
opinions2ufrmme 1 week ago
The Rebel flag may not mean anything to you, but to millions in the American South it does. I've said all i have to say. Good day to you.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy To millions of Americans, it represents oppression, Slavery, bigotry, racism, Jim Crow laws of segregation, and lynchings.
jusitke07 1 month ago
@jusitke07 Just like the nazi flag represents the holocaust and the war that destroyed eurasia. The meaning behind it has been lost to an event which has demonized it. The victors write the history books, my friend.
Snapshot290 1 month ago
@Snapshot290 Not to be unkind and I do NOT hate any group of people. But there are still survirrors of the Holocaust liveing even 2 generation from the Holocaust. No liveing surrivers or 2 ed generation of the Ciivil War...isnt that a huge differance in and of its self
rockinrobintweets 1 month ago
@jusitke07
and doesn't the Flag of the United States of America also represent all that you just said?
hasn't all that happened under our great flag?...sad to say, yes...If you know your american history, the flag was first flown in January 1777 after the Battles of Trenton and Princeton...The Confederate Battle Flag is not the problem...the ones holding on to racism and using it as propaganda are...
opinions2ufrmme 1 week ago
@opinions2ufrmme
Are you forgetting that Africans were Slaves during the American Revolution as well as the War Between the States?...and slavery is world-wide...
opinions2ufrmme 1 week ago
@opinions2ufrmme If the US Flag represent the same as the Confederate, then Blacks, Jews, Native Americans, and Asians would have limited rights and Jim Crow Laws would still exist today, right? Yeah, I don't think so.
Nonetheless, thanks or indirectly admitting to the fact the Confederate represents racism, oppression, and slavery.
jusitke07 1 week ago
@jusitke07 It does not, and never did. The Klan flew US flag too, & was very active in Indiana & Ohio. Why is US flag not racist? It is; always has been.
Cionaodh57 3 days ago
@Cionaodh57 Oh sure the Klan flew the US flag, but historically it was the Confederates under the Confederate flag (obviously) that was pro-Slavery and wanted Blacks to remain as Slaves.
jusitke07 3 days ago
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INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
He kind of got mealy-mouthed there at the end, but I agree with him. A person should have the right to have that flag as part of their private property if they want. But it has no place in the public life of the United States. First and foremost it is the flag of people who made war on the United States for the stated intention of protecting the "right" of white people to own black ones, one of the worst causes for which human beings ever went to war.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
damn hes dumb as hell
davidallenroth 2 months ago
fuck multi culturalism......its a disease....long live the south.....f u to all you brainwashed monkies
232323C 2 months ago
@232323C See, you're one of many racist examples of why I and many others like me hate the racist Confederate South.
jusitke07 2 months ago
@jusitke07 oh really....well, LONG LIVE THE SOUTH....the north was about a murdering blood loving president who waged war on his own people and practiced "total war" raping pillaging........multi culturalism is a sure way to destroy any nation......this country is worse for having it.......and will fall soon from within as a result ...so go fuk yourself
232323C 1 month ago
@232323C So you hate "multiculturalism" huh...White Supremacist? If so, I wouldn't be surprised you like the Confederate Flag and the Nazi Flag together.
jusitke07 1 week ago
I celebrate the US flag every 4th of July and then some. Even with all its faults. Like slavery, military conscription, corrupt police, corrupt politicians, war crimes, denial of basic human rights to my fellow citizens, the disasters at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the internment camps for Japanese citizens during WW2, Vietnam, nuclear weaponry, the Bay of Pigs embarrassment, the FBI, Prohibition, etc. This flag is guilty of all this, and yet we still wave it. Tell me why.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy The obvious racists KKK and Neo Nazi groups in America (especially around the world too) carry the Nazi & Confederate Flag proudly on street marchs as their particular freedom of speech.
jusitke07 2 months ago
@jusitke07 Well i'm sure you can tell the difference between a Klan member and a Southern person that is just simply proud to be Southern. Every state flag in the South was flown under this one, but nobody protests when they see them. I just find it humorous that people would go crazy seeing this flag but they're okay with other flags guilty of worse crimes flying in their own country. Ever been to Six Flags?
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy Just like Senator Fred Thomas (along with many other educated folks out there in this world) said here in this video at 0:09, "For a great a many Americans, it's a symbol of racism"
jusitke07 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "This flag is guilty of all this, and yet we still wave it. Tell me why."
Because it's done other good things, too. Taking humans to the moon. Helping free Europe, twice. Giving the world the polio vaccine for free (thank you, Dr. Salk). Declaring that all men are created equal, and finally going to war to make that real rather than just rhetorical, and then including women, too.
What's the best thing the Stars and Bars ever presided over? Giving the president a line-item veto?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips Of course the answer is as you say, we celebrate our flag because we can see something good in it, but there are others who don't see the good things about it and so they burn it and desecrate it. The only point i'd like to make is that every nation got where it's at today because they stomped on others unjustly. This flag is hated by some for slavery, but EVERY western nation had slaves so we should be fair in our criticisms. Now go and protest the other flags equally.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "EVERY western nation had slaves"
Mine didn't. Nevertheless, the CSA was founded principally on the basis of maintaining slavery and in the hopes of expanding it. Name me another Western nation that had THAT as its foundational framework. THAT'S the point. While other Western nations were finally eliminating slavery after centuries, the Confederacy came into existence almost purely to defend and promote it. That's the legacy of that flag in the eyes of humanity.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips Southern folks were drafted as well for both world wars to fight for the Union and they did so bravely with the Reconstruction fresh on their minds. Some of the best American warriors came from the South. And this country could never have come this far split in half. It's symbiotic. This flag symbolizes the pride of the Southern people. It still reminds us of our deep seeded fighting spirit. It also reminds people in the North that we are still here when they mean to overlook us.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "Southern folks were drafted as well for both world wars to fight for the Union and they did so bravely with the Reconstruction fresh on their minds."
Fifty and seventy years later? No one of draft age in either war was ALIVE during Reconstruction. Give me a break. You might as well draft ME with "the Depression fresh" in my mind.
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PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "Some of the best American warriors came from the South. And this country could never have come this far split in half."
Yeah, yeah, and Georgia peaches can't be beat, whatever... Which as exactly WHAT to do, please, with the fact that the Stars and Bars is objectionable on the basis that it stood for a regime predicated on and dedicated to the enslavement of an entire race of humanity?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "This flag symbolizes the pride of the Southern people."
And if the Germans told you, nah, forget all that Holocaust and invading Europe stuff, our Swastika symbolizes German pride and fighting spirit, would that wash with you? Seriously?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips What they do in their own country doesn't concern me, i don't give a damn if they take pride in what they accomplished under the Nazi flag. I wouldn't call them racist without meeting them to find out for myself, but guess what, i have been to Germany and they aren't racist pigs. It's a wonderful country full of wonderful people and so is the Southern U.S. But would you consistently kick and scream if you saw a British flag waving and people celebrating their empire's glory days?
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "It's a wonderful country full of wonderful people"
Yeah, who aren't wandering around waving the Swastika or whining because they can't. They know what flags like that mean and they want nothing to do with them. Wish the same could be said everywhere, but clearly, we're not there yet...
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "would you consistently kick and scream if you saw a British flag waving and people celebrating their empire's glory days? "
If the whole idea was "let's break away from France so we can OWN people", yeah, probably. Fortunately that wasn't the foundation or sustenance of the Empire... unlike the CSA.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips Right the foundation was to 'rule over and civilize people of lesser races'. They installed the caste system in India. They found it was easier to just enslave people in their own countries rather than import them in chains, but that's okay because they OFFICIALLY denounced slavery? We would all like to remember our greatest moments sometimes without hearing about our worst ones, but you can't have it both ways. If you want to point out certain country's faults then so will i.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "They installed the caste system in India."
No, they didn't; the caste system predated the European colonization of India. If anything, the British worked to alleviate it and abolished the caste of "untouchables" (though it was virtually impossible to actually enforce it).
To equate wresting the political control of a country to actually LEGALLY owning, selling, torturing, raping, and wringing forced labour from other human beings is to equivocate contemptibly.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "We would all like to remember our greatest moments"
Okay, let's cut to the chase... which were WHAT, exactly? Celebrating a bunch of pompous, blue-eyed bigots who never heard of a razor swanning around on horses, waving swords, and exhorting hundreds of thousands of men to betray the country of their birth and kill their own countrymen to defend a "right" to own darker-skinned human beings that accrued largely to rich people? Yeah, sure, party time! Celebrate away... :/
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips If you want to say slavery was wrong, then just say that. But to single out one nation that doesn't even exist anymore is inconsistent and biased. The entire western hemisphere was founded on slavery but you can only manage to complain about the Rebel flag? Tens of thousands were executed(murdered) during France's Reign of Terror without trial but that's okay because they were nicer to ex-slaves than the other Western nations? Doesn't make much sense to me.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "But to single out one nation"
Look, I'll say it again in case you missed it. I'm not singling anyone out; I didn't make this video. Someone else did, and THEY singled out the South. I'm explaining WHY the world by and large looks on with horror at seeing people glorify a flag that's only a few shades less objectionable than Nazi Germany's. If nobody explains to you WHY the world feels that way, you're always going to be puzzled... though in this day and age you shouldn't.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "The entire western hemisphere was founded on slavery"
And here's the difference. MOST countries in it, when they broke away from their empires (well, okay, in virtually every case, we mean "Spain") abolished slavery. Mexico did; in fact, that's one of the reasons the English-speaking settlers in Texas held their revolution and broke away... to facilitate slaveholding in Texas, banned under Mexican rule. The ONLY "country" that broke away to PROMOTE slavery was the Confederacy.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips I'd just like to see a little more consistency in the criticisms. The CSA weren't the only ones who did this shit and those other flags are still flying.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy Other countries did engage in slavery. But they didn't establish themselves to do so. They didn't write paeans in praise of slavery and how it justified an unutterably ironic struggle for "freedom" from others. And their flags predated and postdated periods in which they engaged in it, and don't symbolize simply the struggle to preserve it and nothing more. The Confederate flag does. It was raised in the struggle to preserve slavery, and fell when it ended. That's ALL it is.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy To put a fine point on it... every country has aspects of its history that, in retrospect, it's not proud of. You brought up the Reign of Terror. Do you see Frenchmen running around, hoisting blood-soaked guillotines onto public buildings and insisting on the right to be proud of that period in their history? No, because they're NOT.
The South is part of the United States, and it's the part that was dedicated to slavery. It took a war in which 600,000 died to end that.
(cont'd)
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy (cont'd) Rather than come to terms with the reality of that, some Americans want to minimize it, pretend it never happened, insist it was about something else... to wash the United States clean of what is, in truth, the most monstrous fact of its history. Denying it is was made the Jim Crow laws, segregation, and discrimination go down so easily. Pride in a made-up history denies centuries of unimaginable suffering that need to be recognized and remembered.
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PatchesRips 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy (cont'd) I understand why a need to feel proud of one's history would drive people to do this. Nevertheless, it's a LIE that needs to be resisted. There are many, many, many things in American history to be justly proud of. BREAKING THE COUNTRY UP TO DEFEND THE OWNERSHIP OF ONE'S FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT AMONG THEM. Find other things to be proud of, and learn to live with the reality of what that flag stood for when it aspired to be the flag of a nation before the world.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips I brought up the French revolution because they still wave that flag proudly, and they should. They have plenty to be proud of. I don't wish to capitalize on their faults, but i am well aware of where and when that flag came from. Having been waved and celebrated around a guillotine covered in blood. One of the greatest military leaders that ever lived was from France(Napoleon), but we don't remember him as a tyrant, we remember him as a great general. Good things are more memorable
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy "they still wave that flag proudly, and they should. They have plenty to be proud of."
No, that's MY argument as to why other countries still wave their flags despite having that as a part of their past. That's why you can wave the Stars and Stripes, too. The Stars and Bars has NOTHING to recommend it. For the four years it meant ANYTHING, it meant going to war to keep slaves. The flag YOU'RE after is the one on the moon, Iwo Jima, and Yorktown.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
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@INbredMonarchy "we don't remember him as a tyrant"
I don't know where you learned history, but pretty much everyone sees him as a tyrant. Just a particularly effective one.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips Well i think i've spoken my peace. I've already posted everything i would say back to you. My point has been the same the whole time. Now, i don't know you or where you hail from, but my guess is that where ever you are, you're proud of your people and their past. Well so am i, and this is a part of my past. I don't hurt anyone while celebrating my past, and i'm not ashamed of this flag. My guess is that neither you nor i will change our minds on the subject. Have a good one.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@PatchesRips
Remember that Northerners sold their slaves South so as not to lose money on them!
and didn't Northen Textile Factories readily accept cotton picked with the blood, sweat and tears of Slaves in the Agricultural South?...the Country was divided long before Civil War erupted...
opinions2ufrmme 1 week ago
@opinions2ufrmme "Remember that Northerners sold their slaves South"
Remember that the last state north of the Mason-Dixon Line to ban slavery was New Jersey, and that was in 1804. Nobody who ever owned slaves in the North was even alive by the time of the Civil War, nor were the purported slaves of which you speak.
PatchesRips 1 week ago
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@opinions2ufrmme "didn't Northen Textile Factories readily accept cotton picked [by] of Slaves"
Yes, and so did Britain. Given that by the time the Civil War started the South was supplying over 50% of the world's cotton, there wasn't a lot of choice in the matter.
But more to the point, the North fought hard to keep slavery from expanding, and when the time came, fought hard to eliminate it. Textile workers in Manchester rallied in support of the NORTH during the war.
PatchesRips 1 week ago
@PatchesRips No you wouldn't because you've already decided which parts of history you'd like to believe and which parts you'd like to leave out. The British, Japanese, Soviet, and Belgian empires did things just as bad and some of them plenty worse than the Nazis. The Confederate states were just a blip on the radar compared to these, but it's all you pay attention to. What about how our own country treated American Indians? As i said before, there are no good guys in the history book.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
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@INbredMonarchy "which parts you'd like to leave out"
You mean like your ignoring the stated objectives in secession published by the very people who made it happen, that kind of thing?
"The Confederate states were just a blip on the radar compared to these, but it's all you pay attention to."
No, idiot, I'm paying attention to it HERE because IT'S THE SUBJECT OF THIS VIDEO.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
RIGHT! 18% of the population doesn't like something, so the other 70+% can't have it? OH YEAH, THAT'S FAIR??
skudaarkaat1 2 months ago
According to NPS dot gov, written by park ranger Don Pettijohn on Feb. 2006: With the issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, President Abraham Lincoln changed the course of the America’s Civil War between the United States (Union) and the Confederate States (Confederacy). The Proclamation added the abolition of slavery to the preservation of the Union as a goal for the successful Union effort.
jusitke07 2 months ago
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INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
I've worked and lived on every continent except South America and let me tell ya something. EVERY country and every race thinks their better than every other country and every other race. It's just human nature.
nerblebun 2 months ago
btw, to me displaying the Confederate Flag in the US is equivalent to displaying the Nazi Flag Germany....
jusitke07 3 months ago
@jusitke07 So ignorant!
cscptdave 3 months ago
@cscptdave no, not ignorant. that's the truth. Start reading on American history and enlighten yourself
jusitke07 3 months ago
@jusitke07 You might be offended by the battle flag, but that's just your opinion, not historical truth as you claim. While it's probably true that most people who display the battle flag are also racists, I don't think they display it as a symbol of racism. They display it to show their hatred of the US government, masked as "southern heritage".
KayBeeEee1983 3 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Sorry but that's not my opinion. That's fact. Go to the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC and they'll tell you how the Southern Confederates were mostly racist, pro-slavery, and most are pro-Whites. Whereas they'll teach you the Northern Union had the most Abolitionists, Pro-humanity, and where Harriett Tubman led the underground railroad of Slaves to Freedom and oppression from the South.
jusitke07 3 months ago
@jusitke07 It's a fact that neo-confederates display the battle flag to express their racism? I doubt it, they save that for their KKK meetings.
The entire country was racist, even the abolitionists, who made up a small but vocal minority and mostly came from New England. Read Uncle Tom's Cabin. The most racist character is an abolitionist from New England.
The south seceded because of slavery, but these neo-confederates are ignorant. They think it was about taxes and states' rights.
KayBeeEee1983 3 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Fred Thompson is an educated man, I am an educated person, most educated person in the world knows for a fact that the Confederate Flag represents racism, oppression, Slavery, bigotry, and lynchings. Only the uneducated Red-necks lie to themselves to think that the Confederates were the good guys and the Union were the bad guys in American history. Trying to decieve others to think that is trying to re-write history and that is flat out lying. Not going to happen in our lifetime
jusitke07 3 months ago
@jusitke07 I think you have misunderstood us. When you review history, you will ONLY find bad guys. We all tend to pick which ones we like more. What about the Romans,Vikings,Samurai,Turks,British Empire? No 'good guys' there, just bad intentions all around.The trend of the times (19th century) among European nations was to get rid of slavery in the homeland, only to export slavery back to Africa. So they appear to denounce slavery while supporting it at the same time. No 'good guys' in history.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy Well I don't see any parades proudly displaying these flags openly parading in any streets of the US of A. What do you suppose most Americans will react when they see a Nazi flag being proudly paraded in any streets of America and call it "heritage"? And how would you personally feel about that?
jusitke07 2 months ago
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@jusitke07 Well i wouldn't put Nazi Germany in the same category as the C.S.A. The Nazis were a murderous regime hell bent on genocide. The Confederacy was trying to preserve what had been declared at the time of U.S. independence. So then our U.S. flag must be a symbol of racist hate. The Nazi flag has never represented Americans so that would get on my nerves. Seeing Americans running around with U.K. flags on their clothing gets on my nerves too, but I'm not stopping them.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@jusitke07 I have seen the flags of Mexico,Jamaica,Puerto Rico,USSR,Japan,S.Korea,Brazil,Ireland,Scotland,Texas Rep,UK,South Africa,Canada,Australia,Morocco,Italy,Greece,Philippines,Marshall Isles,Samoa,Tonga,Belgium,Israel,Dominican Rep,Haiti,Cuba,Barbados,Argentina,Czech Rep,Ukraine,Spain,Lebanon,Croatia,Costa Rica,Switzerland,Malaysia,Thailand, and New Zealand proudly displayed in the USA. The Nazi flag is the ONLY one that pisses me off.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@jusitke07 Here in the USA, the largest ethnic group is the Germans(I'm not German). We have all kinds of German heritage festivals across the country and they are fun to attend. NONE of which fly the Nazi flag, and yet they are proud of their heritage, while not condoning their previous nation's mistakes. So if we are to attack flags of heritage, I suggest we take a good, long look at the Union Jack of the UK, if one were to guess which flag has more blood on it than any other, look no further.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@jusitke07 BTW I am well aware of the similarity between the Union Jack and the Confederate battle flag. I'm not hating on British folks (I'm of Scotch/Irish/English descent), but we should all remember where and when our flags come from and where they have been. Not a damn one of them is clean of blood and corruption. As they say it's about heritage not hate. I'm sorry i couldn't answer in fewer words and i don't mean to offend.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy Sorry for the late response. Do you know of any well known mass genocide or holocaust the British have committed? I know for sure under both the Nazi and Confederate Flags there many purposeful sadistic well known murders, lynchings, and holocaust.
jusitke07 2 months ago
@jusitke07 Of course you speak of Andersonville, GA and the inhumane treatment of slaves. It's true that all happened. There's no denying the facts, but i would like to point out that the Rebel soldiers were running a POW camp and not a concentration camp. Also most of the remaining Rebs were underfed and nearly starving in more cases than one at that point in the war, while the slaves on their land back home were still being fed. But even after the war racism played a huge role under our flag.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy said, "Of course you speak of Andersonville, GA and the inhumane treatment of slaves. It's true that all happened. There's no denying the facts..."
Thank you. I'll leave it at that for all to read. Cheers
jusitke07 2 months ago
@jusitke07 Well i don't get to choose what's true and what's false in history, every flag tells its own horror stories and none are innocent of blood and slavery. Not even our's. I just wish everyone could acknowledge that one simple fact so we can all move on. Peace.
INbredMonarchy 2 months ago
@INbredMonarchy If the Nazi and/or the Confederate Flag is give the time to be glorified and marched around proudly, how the hell does society move on, when you have the uneducated racists carrying these flags proudly? That's where I and others like me come in to put a stop to these stupids.
jusitke07 2 months ago
I AGREE 100%, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FRED THOMPSON
jusitke07 3 months ago
Looks like most commentators here could stand a review of American history.
We have been taught all our lives that racism is worse than murder, unless of course it it projected at white southeners then racism is justified.
RoadCaptainEntertain 3 months ago
Confederate flags are also displayed and flown here in canada, lmfao.
MrChevyman95 3 months ago
FUCK THE DAMN CONFEDERATE FLAG YOU DAMN REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES RAISING WHITE TRASH CHILDREN THAT FUCK THEIR SISTERS! THIS A NEW AGE AND A NEW MOVEMENT OF OPEN MINDED PEOPLE AND YOUTH! THE SOUTH IS STILL 100 YEARS IN THE PAST
crazymanjonchin 3 months ago
@crazymanjonchin The South is still here, son. We're still here and we still beleive in what our ancestors fought and DIED for. They fought for the freedom of what they saw as an oppression. Look at it this way. If you were in a club and other members of that club decided to get involved in your personal life and tell you what you could and couldn't do wouldn't you want to and have the right to leave that club? That's what the Southern states did and that's what the Confederate flag stands for.
Caveman67100 3 months ago
@Caveman67100 SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT WHITE SOUTHERNERS AND THEIR DAMN FUCKING FREEDOM
LAME ASS SHIT!
SO YOU ARE SAYING WE SHOULD OF LET THE WHITE TRASH SOUTHERNERS HAVE THE FREEDOM TO OPPRESS ANOTHER HUMAN RACE> YOU ARE SAYING THAT SLAVERY IS OKAY? BULL SHIT
THEY WERE NOT FIGHTING FOR THEIR "FREEDOM" THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR :FREEDOM TO HAVE SLAVES"
BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU RACIST ASS BITCHES
FUCK THAT DAMN FLAG AND FUCK WHITE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH
crazymanjonchin 3 months ago
@crazymanjonchin the south could not have fought so long and so hard unless they saw that their cause was just and that god was on their side. So many men gave their property and left their families behind with noone to care for them and so many of these brave men died and continued to fight even when they knew that they were losing; until finally general lee surrendered. Do you really think that they would have fought so hard and so long and with so much bravery just to keep slavery? Hell no
1eagleboy1 3 months ago
@1eagleboy1 What soldiers fight for is why the war last as long as it does and why its as bloody as it is, not why it starts.
TigerRifle1 3 months ago
@1eagleboy1 There's no doubt that most of the Confederate soldiers thought their cause was just, but that's because they were deceived by their political leaders. For example, South Carolina told its citizens that the Republican Party had declared that "a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States." Taking advantage of the memories and fears of John Brown's raid, they scared their people into believing that there would be a war whether they seceded or not
KayBeeEee1983 3 months ago
I know this is serious but somebody farted at 0:34
ClubCrew 3 months ago
So you thiunk the flag of the southern states represents trators ? First of all you suck, second we defended our states aginst an invasion of the most powerful army in the world an killed more of them than we lost so screw you.
nonyabiz2 3 months ago
Pursuit of happiness
I can display my flag u can't do crap about it heritage not hate if u call that rasict your actully rasict
ejordan595 3 months ago
The irony of Americans flying a Confederate flag is palpable. Given these individuals tend to be the most vocal proponents of "patriotism" and "freedom", it's amusing to no end to see them fly a flag of a traitorous, illegal cabal of slavocrats without understanding the contradictory implications.
s0515033 3 months ago
all of you that think the confederate flag is "racist" and is a disgrace to america. watch this video. the flag IS NOT a symbol of racism or hate
youtube.com/watch?v=YF-QIJyLhKQ&feature=share
cdrsportspaintball 4 months ago
too bad political incorrectness isn't taught in history*
samuriguy909 4 months ago
Robert E. lee only joined the south because he did not want to fight against his home state of virginia, not implying that the south was evil. Too bad polical correctness isn't taught in history.
samuriguy909 4 months ago
@leeharveyosmosis right. Then we consider the fact that Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee originally voted against secession, with the vote completely reversed after Lincoln decided to return the South to the Union by force.
Porty1119 4 months ago
fly it high boys!! south gonna rise again!
southerncountryboy98 5 months ago
@southerncountryboy98 Gonna have to find a new capitol, Virginia would not secede ever again.
lastminuteregret 4 months ago
@1Atomtan stop arguing
ShAbAm766 5 months ago
@plato86 stop arguing
ShAbAm766 5 months ago
Fun Fact: Robert E. Lee freed his slaves before U.S. Grant. Chew on THAT, damnyankees!
Porty1119 5 months ago
@Porty1119
Fun Fact: The Southern States seceded because they wanted to maintain and expand the entire institution of slavery, or because they wanted to defend their "property rights".
.....but one guy freed his slaves, all that other shit doesn't matter now.
leeharveyosmosis 4 months ago
@Porty1119 Grant never had slaves idiot
PercyMcQueen11 4 months ago
@Porty1119 Bullshit. What historic facts do you have to back that up. None. I'm sure both men held slaves but a southerner wouldnot free their slaves for shit.
u2hubbard 4 months ago
@u2hubbard its actually true. Too bad they only teach you politically correct bullshit in school.
samuriguy909 4 months ago
My God, a Republican who makes sense.
Jujuman2003 5 months ago
someone needs to put him out of his misery. hhhhhmm whos got a double barrel?
cyro2020 5 months ago
Oh you think so?
GeorgiaDawg91 5 months ago
As a Texan I find it hilarious that my fellow southerns cannot stand it when blacks bring up slavery but so many of us still bring up the civil war, oh sorry I mean the "War of Northern aggression." Get over it man, we lost the damn war and there is no reason to cling the standard of a failed nation.
Plato86 6 months ago
@Plato86 We lost the military conflict. The war is far from over. In fact, I see more violent conflict in our future if things don't shape up. The flag which was a battle flag remains a standard against government tyranny. Sic semper tyrannis.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
It remains a standard against government tyranny while it was a standard for formal government tyranny called slavery and aristocracy? Did you know that under the Confederacy if you did not own land you could not vote? That is not a government worth fighting for because it is not government that respects individual rights but only the rights of the wealthy white men. "Thus always with tyrants" indeed, the only government worth fighting for is a government that respects the rights of all people.
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 Ha Ha...blah blah. BTW: I disagree with the rich southern whites in that conflict also. They were stiff necked and should have attempted to avoid war. As for your tyrant remark. Indeed. The U.S. government of American is one of the bloodiest in history. Wiped out First peoples ( those heroic Yankees who fought for blacks to be free ha ), and has involved itself in killing overseas almost continuously. Who will ever know the millions we have slaughtered in the name of Freedom.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
LOL and Southerns and states did not participate willingly and eagerly in the Indian wars? O.K and the Easter Bunny is real. No doubt the U.S gov has blood on its hands but at least by 1861 it had evolved to the point that it realized that enslaving other people was wrong. As for wars abroad it is not like most Southerns were against any of those wars either so I do not see your point.
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 Typical. I doubt this conversation will go very far considering you are reading revisionist history. We finished up the indians after the war. 1862 to 1875 pretty much finished up the indians and it was mostly done by filthy Yankee government thugs. The North had evolved? what a laugh. They hated blacks worse than southerners and treated them so. It's well documented during Sherman's march. Lincoln was a butcher. I'm only wish he had been shot earlier.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
It is revisionist history to say that Southern and southern states fought and exterminated Native Americans? Have you ever heard of a southern named Andrew Jackson( my favorite President) and the Seminole war? What do you think happened to the tribes in Texas once we won our independence from Mexico? I am not ashamed to be a Southern nor I am ashamed to be a Texan but you cannot pretend that we did not slaughter the Indians in our States. I do not think Lincoln was a butcher, the was Grant
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 Did you note the dates I mentioned? It was in the context of the comment that Northerners had evolved into decent humans beings enough to kill 600,000 of their fellow Americans to free some blacks most whites felt superior to during that time. Yes..the trail of tears is a blight on our nation as have been many of our wars. Including the war for Southern independence and later reconstruction. Lincoln was a butcher unless you can justify 600,000 + dead Americans.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
In the name of liberation and freedom 600,000 + dead is justifiable, at least according to Thomas Jefferson and ever other Founding Father who fought against their British "masters." I cannot sympathize with the Confederate elite that sought to enslave their fellow man and fought for the right to do so. Were their racists in the North who saw blacks as inferior? Absolutely. Does that mean that the Union was as immoral and barbaric as the Confederacy? No.
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 Wow. Amazing you would play with life in such a way. You are as barbaric as Lincoln and the rest of the Yankee industrialist. Most of the rest of the civilized world freed their slaves without war. The north wanted war and it could have cared less about slaves. You pathetic politically correct term of " enslave their fellow men " rings hollow also since no one fought a war to free orphaned children forced into factories nor employers from literally locking their employees in factories.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
Thank you Ron Paul I know the rest of the world freed slaves without war but there was no way in hell the South was just going to sell off their slaves to the North. They were not going to stop until the were put in the ground and their cities burned. Just ask yourself if a man has a right to kill another man who seeks to enslave him and you will see how moot your comment is. The slaves had a right to kill the planter elite in order to be free and thus the North also had that right. Stop crying.
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 You say, " the south " when only around 4% owned them. The average southerner didn't own them and resented the southerners who did. Stating facts about the rest of civilization seems to bother you and get in the way of your lust for blood against southerners. You bigotry is showing. Also, again, do you think the average northerner who hated blacks would shed blood defending them.? I think not. Self righteousness is what the Yankee suffers from.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
You calling me a Yankee now? LOL my father's side of the family has been on Texas soil when the state was still part of Mexico and I have ancestors who fought for our independence, the Mexican American War and Confederacy. Yeah I guess that makes me a yankee right? I know the average farmer did not own slaves but he did participated in slaves patrols and made sure that any escaped slaves were returned to their masters. Moreover the trade between small farmers and planters kept slavery going.
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 I don't know if you are a Yankee, but you are spewing the Yankee myth of history. The average farmer like the average worker today had little say about what went on and had to take jobs like running down slaves because they had no power and were dependent upon the class structure of the time. Trying to judge those times by today's standards it ridiculous. Especially since we have no better record. We slaughter millions in the name of freedom.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
@Plato86 The only difference is now WHITES are the only ones seen as some universal evil while blacks, Jews and other non whites are seen as noble, of superior character and etc. And among whites...southern whites and Germans are seen as the most evil of all. Flying completely in the face of any common sense or decency or even honesty. Political correctness is poison. The Northern legend of history is just that. Glorifying men like Custer, Lincoln and Sherman and vilifying men like Lee
1Atomtan 5 months ago
i totally agree ur r 100% correct plato86
zombieconfederate420 5 months ago
@Plato86 Also..I am not claiming the souther any more moral than the north. Evil existed on both sides. They certainly was no less moral by the moral standards of that time. Bottom line: The right to secession legit and understood by both sides. What Lincoln and the north did was the same thing the Soviets did keeping their satellites.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
There is no right to secession in the Constitution, in fact there is a prohibition against states seceeding and forming a Confederacy. " No State shall be enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing..." Art I section 10 Const.
TheConfederacy was a tyranny and like all tyrannies it deserved to be destroyed because it was illegitimate.
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 Ridiculous. Who formed the federal government? The states. Not the other way around. Do you think the states would have left the articles of Confederation and entered into ( the controversial ) Constitution without having the right to later leave if they want? If so...what makes America any different than the soviets? Since you seem to dislike tyrannies. How would American be any less a tyranny if it kept people who didn't want to be part of and who made a formal declaration to leave.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
Were in the Constitution does it say that states have a right to secession? Have you even read the Constitution or are you just going off what you heard at he local Sons of the Confederacy meeting? Again Art I Section 10 of the Constitution " No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit;..." I guess you do not see the words of the Constitution as binding?
Plato86 5 months ago
@Plato86 Ha Ha..Plenty of info out there. That is not what Art 1 is dealing with and you know it. Here is president Lincoln (a lawyer) in his own words on the subject...Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
Abraham Lincoln
1Atomtan 5 months ago
@Plato86 guess you were in favor of the unfair taxation done to the south by the federal government also. On slavery...Grant's wife didn't give up here slaves until after the war..when she was forced to by law.
1Atomtan 5 months ago
hell i have 5 flags hung in my room alone.
redconfederate 6 months ago
Fred Thompson is an idiot. If you use the argument of guilt by association or someone being offended then nothing in American history could be used, we'd have to live in shame forever. Likewise you could do the same for any country on Earth because they have all committed perceived crimes and atrocities.
The main problem here is you have a minority who wish to impose their will on the majority. Foreigners and minorities don't get to decide what the majority of Whites are going to do.
jackburton2009 6 months ago
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@FloridaBoyRisingUp Actually, in year 1807 the United States of America abolished external slave trade. The only type of slave trade that occurred was internal. And, if I do recall correctly, the Confederate flag had not even been thought of yet. So, your comment is completely false
benji1861 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Actually, in year 1807 the United States of America abolished external slave trade. The only type of slave trade that occurred was internal. And, if I do recall correctly, the Confederate flag had not even been thought of yet. So, your comment is completely false
benji1861 6 months ago
@FloridaBoyRisingUp How is the U.S. Flag racist? Fucking retard.
I can see how some people think the Rebel Flag is racist (which i know isn't.) but how can you see the U.S. Flag is racist? You're a fucking retard.
RightWingRebel 6 months ago
@FloridaBoyRisingUp Boo hoo. Shut the fuck up.
RightWingRebel 6 months ago
i just walked pass a restaurant with that flag and the words "don't mess with texas"
and i live in finland, should heads roll? lol...
Darusdei 6 months ago
Um... no. At that time Britain was a monarchy, not a democracy.
SSSIappy138 7 months ago
@SSSIappy138 It still is a monarchy!!
nemo2000000 7 months ago
@nemo2000000 Not really. The parliament pretty much has all the power, and they are elected by the people. The queen or current monarch doesn't really have any power except for choosing the prime minister, which they usually do based upon the results of the election.
SSSIappy138 7 months ago
@SSSIappy138 You're right the parliament/government has all the real political power, but the queen is still the head of state, this makes the UK still a monarchy even though the royals exert little or no power.
nemo2000000 7 months ago
@nemo2000000 It's a Constitutional Monarchy.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I know.
nemo2000000 7 months ago
@nemo2000000 You're right. It's technically still a monarchy but the way the government is set up is a parliamentary democracy . So it is a monarchy and democracy. The point I was making is that the confederate states seceding from the United States is totally different from the American Revolution. During the latter we had no representation in Britain (they were a true monarchy at the time) and they wanted to govern us from overseas. The confederates seceding was completely unwarranted. We
SSSIappy138 7 months ago
@SSSIappy138 "the confederate states seceding from the United States is totally different from the American Revolution. During the latter we had no representation in Britain"
Indeed. We had no representation in Parliament. The Slave states had MORE representation in Congress than they even deserved because of the 3/5 compromise. How can they count slaves toward the population? They should've been able to count horses and cows then, too.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Slavery was wrong and southerners who wave around the confederate flag are in denial if they think the civil war had nothing to do with slavery. There should not have been slaves in the first place, and everyone should have been able to vote since the beginning our nation. "all men are created equal..."
SSSIappy138 7 months ago
@SSSIappy138 But there was slavery. Get the fuck over it. Slavery isn't an official part of the U.S. anymore. GET. THE. FUCK. OVER. IT.
Fucking retards crying over shit that can't be changed.
RightWingRebel 6 months ago
@SSSIappy138 Just to let you know, but the first seven United States Presidents were slave owners. Also, slavery was only a minor issue concerning the Civil War. The main issue was states rights being trampled on. Especially since the year of 1857. The most compelling reason for secession was when Abraham Lincoln assumed presidency, he initiated the highest import/export tax in the nation's history, even to this day. This tax bankrupted many southerners since cotton needed to be exported
benji1861 6 months ago
@nemo2000000 were a democracy and the majority of our people elected our representatives.
SSSIappy138 7 months ago
@SSSIappy138 WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY. Why do people not understand this? We are a REPUBLIC. A REPUBLIC. NOT A DEMOCRACY.
Thjeca 7 months ago 2
@Thjeca Actually we are a representative democracy, which is a democracy and part republic. We are part republic because of the constitution and the limited power of government, and we are a democracy because the people elect our representatives and the majority rules. The consitition isn't perfect and the way our founders had it set up only wealty white men had a voice in the election. I'm glad we've came a long way from that..
SSSIappy138 7 months ago
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Thjeca 7 months ago
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@SSSIappy138 Google "is America a Republic." Then you will see.
No, we are not. Like I said, the United States of America is a Republic.
Thjeca 7 months ago
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@Thjeca "WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY. Why do people not understand this?"
Because people don't know what a republic is. Apparently you don't really know the difference either, or else you would've explained what you think the difference is. We are a democratic republic. A democracy is a government in which the people have the power. A republic is a government in which the head of state does not choose his own successor.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
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What was the civil war about? oh yeah slavery so they say some still raciest in Mississippi if you are black don't take ass to South Haven MS.TO 75% Mississippi you still a nigger to them rebel flag is a symbol of hate black & white people need love one each other the way GOD want it to be as a Black man we forgive you for slavery HELP US FOR GET AND PUT AWAY THAT FLAG 4 GOOD .
northmemphis48 7 months ago
@northmemphis48 Why should people put away a flag that means a lot to them just because it offends you? I'm not a racist. I don't hate people based solely on the color of their skin. But there's no way on God's green Earth I'd put away my rebel flag just because it's "politically incorrect" and "offensive". And for the record, most white men, including myself, don't care if you forgive us or not.
Were you a slave? No. Were your parents slaves? No. Are there slave owners? No. Get over yourself.
RightWingRebel 6 months ago
@RightWingRebel you don't shit about me or my parent's my dad had me when he was 65 in 1978 my grandfather grew up in slavery .fuck you and your rebel flag hunky mother fucker.
northmemphis48 6 months ago
@northmemphis48 Not my problem, not your problem not any black man or white man's problem.
You're grandfather grew up in slavery. Not yours or my problem.
My grandfather fought in the Korean war. Not my problem or yours.
Hear what I'm sayin, G?
RightWingRebel 6 months ago
@SSSIappy138 Isn't that exactly what the colonists did when they wrote the declaration of independence?
don417 7 months ago
Blame the kkk. They turned the flag into a racist symbol. If anything the flag truly symbolizes treason and rebellion. but thanks to the Inbreds its now a racist symbol, so they are the only ones to blame.
Dglaproductions 8 months ago
@Dglaproductions Kinda like the US Flag represents treason against England? And if the only thing you think of when you see a confederate flag is racism...then that's a character flaw in yourself.
don417 7 months ago
@don417 Obviously you have no clue what I meant. I never said it. I never said the Confederate flags true meaning is racism. I said people THINK it is a symbol of racism because of the kkk. Not that is IS a symbol of racism. And Technically yes, the American flag is a symbol of treason and rebellion, since it is what the American colonists did they went against the British, just like the confederates went against the federal government.
Dglaproductions 7 months ago
@Dglaproductions That's not what you said at all. You said and I quote " thanks to the inbreds its now a racist symbol".
You didn't say "THINK" as you are now trying to claim.
don417 7 months ago
@don417 Omfg. The Imbreds are the KKK, who turned it into a racist symbol. And because of them, common people only see it as such, well at least in the north. That's exactly what my comment meant, derp.
Dglaproductions 7 months ago
@Dglaproductions So it's impossible for you to have a discussion without resorting to childish name calling. Your IQ is too low to even continue a dialog. But keep making generalizations about how everyone is the same, I'm sure that will serve you well in life. Ciao'
don417 7 months ago
@don417 Yeah right, I'm going to be nice to low lives like them who harm, insult and kill people just because of the way they look. Making generalizations on how everyone is the same? WHEN! You're saying my IQ is low, when you're saying I did things that I didn't. Where did I say eveyrone is the same..point it out. I said people in the north see it as a racist symbol, not ALL of them. And its obvious people do see it as such, case and point, this video. Understand? Or do we have to do this again
Dglaproductions 7 months ago
@don417 PROPS!!! don417 seems to be the only one here that know's what he's talkin about..
gvillegmcck 7 months ago
i agree with fred thompson. it would be like hanging the nazi flag in public places. if you want to hang it up in your trailer, that's fine, but keep that symbol of slavery and treason out of our public buildings.
pandala420 8 months ago
Also for all the people who think the union was so great. Ulysses( or useless) grant was forced, by the government, to free his own slaves. After the union had already won.
systemisdisturbed 8 months ago
@systemisdisturbed That's why he is respected as a general, not a moral leader.
Salnax 8 months ago
@systemisdisturbed U.S. Grant had-he owned-slaves and gave them up only upon the winning of the war? Really? How can I get some facts on this...
PuddlesMcNiggley 8 months ago
@systemisdisturbed for those of you who think the union sucks, i suggest you move to a different country.
pandala420 8 months ago
I'm 100% positive GOP does not spell, KKK. Fucking idiot. Haha and I'm half Mexican! Fucking democrats....SMFH
systemisdisturbed 8 months ago