elvin jones max roach art blakey drum battle part 1B

[CacheSeaker]

Left hand I mean, my bad

[CacheSeaker]

What the hell is max doing with his right hand on those buzz rolls?

[MotorheadDrew]

Lolz Elvins stare off Murderous intent :P

[RJiminez51]

its so interesting how drummers aproach the drums in so many different ways. 

[dagostinoification]

les maîtres... (didier-dagostino-batteur.fr)

[zerekx]

check out Elvin's eyes watching MR, wow . . .

[rynomite69]

whoooooooweeeeeeeeee! one of my favs...all you younguns should study guys like this...also buddy rich. what ever happened to real technique anyway? its all double bass and screamo now.

[Partyrockk]

one of the rare videos that has 150 likes and no dislikes.  trolling this with a dislike wasn't even worth it. just too damn good.

[southernbrooklyngal]

he was so amazing and really sexy as well

[darylbgood]

What Clifford Brown song was it?Max is burning up them drums.

[trumpetids]

heard most of these licks on a song with clifford brown

[cavaleer]

The Masters.....

[dmanw53dq]

Such a creative drummer. He's also so relaxed. Inspiring stuff.

[sliccmoufschalaa]

@dmanw53dq You're right...this is the effortless cool...he doesn't even break a sweat...amazing!!

[helluvagun]

My man is Max Roach, his timing is incredible! And also he is soft/sparse on the cymbals, especially on the rivet, which can be annoying tendered wrongly!

[helluvagun]

@helluvagun

Sid Catlett

Jo Jones

Art Blakey

Shelly Manne

Elvin Jones

Tony Williams and the" first" of all the greats:

Gene Krupa

[d40g]

@helluvagun u forgot Ma man Max

[Cooder74]

Check out drummers in the rain by Art Blakey the high hats are so in time wicked drumming

[funkyfuhrer]

1:21

the man invented hardcore punk

[Calywal]

THE OTHER GUY??!! thats elvin jones, another master, some people prefer elvin to max , if u like max roach you should check elivin jones out man :)

[BLooDCoMPleX]

İncredible.

[Isntthisalreadytaken]

That little motif, the "Da da doo doo dadoo doo," really makes this solo that much more special. It just seems so poetic.

[evensteve284]

All bow down to EARS. That Cat is COOL.

[JoeJacari]

All these cats are good, but the best is my cat, Ears.

When you hear my cat Ears jamming, you really know you're listening to something special and wonderful.

All these guys would fail to impress in front of the massive talent of Ears. Ears knows drums and he jams like there's no tomorrow.

What's wrong with you people? How can millions of adoring fans testify to the superior technique of my cat, Ears, and you just sit there doing nothing?

Dudes are out of practice. Real.

[zatoichidourden]

max is 1 of the beast drummer and yea he rocks he not a jaaz drumer for me he rocks

[stix2brushes]

Check out how Elvin watches Max during the solo... Elvin listed Max many times as one of his idoles and influences... Interesting! Thanks for posting this.

[MusicalWonder1000]

this man is on point

[mileswarm]

Max Roach - totally destroyed Elvin and Art (Blakey reminds me origin of rock drumming => Bonham)

[talkingwall]

those two names, Blakey and ... don't even belong in the same sentence.

[marzdrumz]

Anyone know the brand name of these drums?

[camo03]

Those could be "premier".

[kristallin]

Max was playing Italian-made Hollywood drums at that time

[octopoli]

The drums are Italian made Meazzi 'Hollywood' President model. I can not tell for sure, but I think his floor tom has a tymp pedal. Billy Cobham also used them and a few others. (I even heard that Art Blakey played them for a while). They were way ahead of their time. Hollywood also put out a Max Roach model as well as a cross over electronic model. Really great sounding drums.

[Isntthisalreadytaken]

Did you say his floor tom had a timpani pedal? That sounds godly.

[octopoli]

yes. Meazzi Hollywood President model. Billy Cobham used one with Horace Silver which can be seen on youtube also.

[valentynesuite]

I have this Hollywood kit!!!! Marvellous , my best kit!!!!

[octopoli]

also look on youtube at ' meazzi tronicdrums ' for another set that Max Roach used. The drums have guitar like pick ups in them and lead into an amp and speakers. Italians were great instrument builders in the 60s.

[DrummerBoyJustin]

old gretch or ludwig

[JjuSstiNn47]

Roach is so damn cool and rock especially in that hihat moves. Doc Elvin is just staring. haha

[xxxxrhodesxxxx]

white boiz shut up these catz is were itz at buddy a legend tho i ait sayin shit about him but these cat got soul and style real brathazz ole skool so......digg

[Lewilt]

haha shut up, what the hell?

[schelter300]

I can do that, I just don't want to.

[dropfan195]

lol me too.

[mumbleora]

...Ain't no battle. Just two people having a conversation!

[JimmyEatBlinkRcr]

exactly!

[cavaleer]

@mumbleora  That's exactly what it is.

[mathugnigga]

i like max with glasses on :P

[octopoli]

The Meazzi tunable floor tom still makes me cry. What great drums they were.

[7651italia]

Max Roach is playing a rare "Hollywood by Meazzi" italian drum kit.

It seems to be a "Model President".

It has the floor tom tunable, just like orchestral timpanos.

One of the best drums kit ever made.

[epn10]

roach is so calm...and jones does look a little out of it at 2:14

[BuckshotLaFunke]

They are all monster drummers, each in his own style. I admire Jones' complexity, but as for solo's I really love Max's geometrical style. He can lose you in two bars, playing his magnificent triplets. To me his best solo's are on the two takes of 'Kim', on a Charlie Parker Verve album 'The Genius of Charlie Parker' in 1953. It's so beautifully simple, it beats everything he later did, even with Clifford Brown. It's like a combination of Philip Glass and Mondrian.

[Farpomarx]

that was fucking amazing

[AnthonyDelRay]

the saddest part is when black folks are prejudice 5toward other black folks because they have some slight white features.

"all fancy and all" LOL. Enough of that prejudice shit.

I think jones was either drunk or on heroin. Roach and Blakey brought down the house neither of them seemed high or too high.

[KOKOYAMS]

The Incomparable drum masters here are:

-Master Elvin Jones

-Master Max Roach

-The alltime Master Art Blakey.

[jazzbass3826]

max did muc better than elvin

[tytaniumboxhead]

not better, different.

[kr1507]

there is hundreds of great drummers why even argue over who is better then who just listen enjoy and learn. but in the end the only thing that matters is the music the only thing that matters is for to go out there and make music

[rhettco52]

Why argue? Buddy could do more things technically, powerfully & speedwise than anybody else; Max had more taste & finesse;Blakey had great presence, groove, and consistency;Elvin was able to come up with the perfect complements; all the greats can do something that nobody else can; look at Zig from the Meters, you can argue that his funk is easier than jazz, but nobody can play funk like that;or look at some of the metal drummers, they can do stuff that none of these jazz greats could do.

[jaykatzel]

Absolutely.

As far as taste and complementing and supporting every type of musicians, the mention of Roy Haynes is conspicuous by its absense.

[headbaboon]

Buddy rich was and still is overrated.I have never to this date seen anyone dance to his music that is actually what the drum was created for...

[cadaverr]

And you are the protector of the divine drum doctrine, aren't you? Don't be silly. Buddy's time, technique, spontaneous phrasings, hit hat, brushes, limb independence, big bang conduction and mastery and overall genius is as high (or higher) than anyone else's. I just laugh at people like you. You're always misleading "great body expressions" to what is REALLY being played. When one stops to consider what is BEING PLAYED, there is no one on Buddy's level. He could play anything and has proven it

[jazzforthepeople]

haha!!

[MarkR1957]

Wrong, asswipe. The drum, being the very first non vocal instrument in the history of humankind, was actually invented as a way for people to communicate with each other.

So, if you can't dance to a certain music, it's not valid music?

Also, MANY people did indeed dance to Buddy's early big bands, to Harry James, to Count Basie, all the while Buddy was in the drum chair of these bands.

Buddy over rated?

He is a Legend -- what are you?

A nothing. A zero.

[FloydNIN]

are the toms supposed to be tuned like that, or did they just have a guy stick the drumheads on?

[braktheitalian]

Tuning has come a long way since then. But, that was the popular sound. Also, mic technology has advanced enough as to allow the observer to hear the full range of the drum.

[supinator]

drugs make music sound better.

[gregmorrow]

you are 100% right!!!

(I'm a funeral director)

[JS1016]

I said in one of the other videos that I thought Elvin was drunk or high. Then I got to this video and do you see how Elvin looks? He looks like he is gonna pass out! Maybe it's just me, but right when I seen him playing I knew there was something not right. Note to all the young players, stay away from the drugs and if you drink, do it after the gig is done....Max looked great though it was nice to see him using traditional grip.

[jaykatzel]

When was the date.

I would say Elvin looked stoned (smack).

Certainly no where near his usual performance.

[headbaboon]

He actually looked bored...

[Deagledrumzz]

The standard of excellence set by Buddy Rich has never been acheived from anyone else.Max, Elvin, Philly,Art all had their own wonderful styles and ideas,but lets face it back in the day even the top musicians like Dizzy all KNEW and said Buddy was by FAAAR above everyone else.

listen to his collaborations with Dizzy.His wrists, techniquue speed, power and class was unequaled then and even to this day with super drummers like Thomas Lang, Virgil Donati, Dennis Chambers and Vinnie Coliuta

[njstylz]

who cares what dizzy gillespie thought he was another wanker like buddy

[mharbaugh]

I can sorta see that. Buddy and Dizzy were the "showiest" in their field. Buddy was the fastest, but any bebop fan could argue that what Elvin or Max did certainly made up for that by having a LOT more taste, and more style and creativity. Same with Dizzy. Clifford or Chet or Donald Byrd could be said to be more creative.

[jaykatzel]

Drummers admire and like Buddy Rich more than others.

Drummers would hear Buddy and think "How did he do that"

I would hear the same thing and say "Why did he do that."

I was acquainted with Elvin and he would be excited when he went to see Buddy Rich.

[Jewlampijs95]

Typo.Great not greast.

[Jewlampijs95]

I disagree.Buddy definetly isn't lame.He was musical,he played with soul,he was wery dynamic and he was also creative.He proabably was the greatest.But that doesn't mean he should be the only guy everyone listen's to.I enjoy listening to these three legends and a dozen of other greast drummer's as I enjoy listening to Buddy.

[headbaboon]

It nevern ceases to amaze me that with all of the thousands of african drummers you people think buddy was and still is the greatest . NOT HARDLY!

[Atedaze8]

African? Were they born in fucking Africa? No. You actually believe nationality/ethnicity makes you a good drummer. IDIOT.

[midinerd]

Look at "buddy rich stick tricks." He displays more innovation and playfulness. I have no idea and can't compare these greats. Though your bias is not unjustified, it isn't prime either.

[VideomanSnow]

Buddy was a total asshole. He was extremely good, but he was an asshole. His bands normally hated him.

Innovation and playfulness is more like trying to play the audience. It's not real, like these guys. I know for a fact Elvin and Art play from their hearts. Not to act all fancy. ;)

[midinerd]

I feel ya. I'm glad any of them were around. It's true, I've seen some performances from Art and another guy... the one max roach dedicated some hi-hat only performance to.. and they make me sweat. Buddy is pretty sweet and I hear his influence in squarepusher and other modern electronic samplists that I like. I'm slowly getting back to the cool shit.

but. innovation and playfulness are signs of playing yourself, you don't need an audience (or rather need an audience not) 2 make such fun.

[acc1890]

VideomanSnow- Buddy was not an asshole. He was arrogant, but he had good reason to be. An asshole wouldn't have continued playing in big bands long after big band died out. Buddy played lots of shows at colleges and high schools near the end of his career/life- obviously not the highest paying gigs. Paying a big band isn't cheap and Buddy LOST money trying to introduce young people to jazz. I definitely wouldn't say Buddy was more innovative than these guys but he wasn't an asshole.

[JazzSage23]

no one had more heart than buddy...and that has got nothing do with him being an asshole, he was complex,

[ScanlonJazz]

Buddy Rich is lame. These guys are fountains of creativity. If you're looking for pyrotechnics and no soul, Buddy Rich is your man.

[altonw]

THANK YOU! You took the words right out of my mouth!

[altonw]

Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Art Blakey, Tony Williams, Kenny Clarke, & Philly Jo Jones are THE greatest jazz drummers of ALL-TIMES, but if any brotha in their right mind had to put a crown on the head over all these great masters of the drums, no doubt Fletcher Henderson would be crowned king.

And if I understand correctly, it was Gene Krupa who bowed out in a competition between he and Henderson and conceded defeat at the Apollo Theatre in a Harlem nightclub which Henderson was crowned "king".

[MarkR1957]

Fletcher Henderson was a pianist and arranger, not a drummer.

[altonw]

You know you're right.........I meant Chick Webb, not Fletcher Henderson. Thanks for the correction. :-)

[MarkR1957]

You're welcome! Many of the people on here have never heard of Chick Webb, but man, he was an absolute MONSTER. I remember when I first heard him -- I was totally shocked!!

I sure wish more of the younger cats on YT would study the Jazz Masters, daddy-0. Peace, brother.

[blutocampbell]

RIP Max

[lamusiquedumarechal]

here we are, three of best drummers ever. Actualy I would say these are the best three drummers ever !!!

[patsteward]

People!!!...the only thing it is ever about and what it will ALWAYS be about is GROOVE and FEEL.

Slow?

WOW!

[superpest]

just gasp at the amount of stuff Bonham was able to steal from one drummer! Smart man. All feel is the way to go. Mickey Dolenz can "kick anyone's ass" who has no taste.

[Thomlistentoslayer]

no dumb ass these drummers are playing on slow speed bullshit Buddy Rich would Kill these guys very boring drum battle

[blutocampbell]

Buddy Rich and these guys are badass drummers.

[Thomlistentoslayer]

buddy rich would beat all these low class drummers anyday

[Pewpshmear]

low class? buddy rich is better, but ur a dumbass.

[blutocampbell]

Buddy Rich is a great drummer,but these guys are great to.

[greenpagan]

Max Roach invented the drums...!

[dtegg91]

just listen to the tone of those toms

[sonor23]

The toms don't sound too bad , but the snare sounds very boxy .

[max9068]

R.I.P. Max you were & will always be absolutely the BEST! We love you Man!

[abuwadie3]

hahah...i know it elvin is like wait we were suppos to do all this

[stillphil]

I love the way ELVIN is just sitting like "AW DAMN MAX !!! I thought we were FRIENDS MAN!??"