NH: Did chopper buzz Free Staters? (Homeland Security)

[homeagent]

RidlyReport is FreeKeene  awesome !!

[p00lman]

Do you even know what "weaboo" means?

You really should read about ACTUAL history sometime. The US wasn't this magical religious place that slowly became less so.

[p00lman]

. . . you're not actually serious, are you?

Are you really serious?

Seriously?

Do you know ANYTHING about history?

[t4ac3y1]

Great report... ty.

[p00lman]

When there was no income tax, there was rampant crime and disease and excessive corruption and poverty and everyone was trying to save their own neck.

That's not society, that's barbarism.

Stop whining and pay your taxes, you greedy little brat.

[Elephantintheroom01]

... Your not going to convince people by acting the goat ya know.

I think that they would be fools to pay a tax to a group of private banks which doesnt even have a law that says you have to. Not only that but are you saying they should back down to intimidation?

[p00lman]

It's not intimidation if someone tells you "pay this or else you're going to jail." If you don't pay, you go to jail. It's simple.

That's how this country has always worked, and the country has been considered the greatest in the world by its people regardless of the existence of the law.

On the contrary, it is the law that holds the country together.

Just because you libertarians are too selfish and arrogant to want to pay taxes doesn't mean you have a choice in the matter.

[Elephantintheroom01]

I'm afraid that is intimidation. It would be the same in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

Actually, your country was founded on the principle of not paying British Taxes, if your country had done as you said you would have been a colony of the 'Great' British Empire.

What purpose do taxes have except to help the people? Then why do you think you can be justified to use force against them? This is the definition of a sociopath.

[p00lman]

It would be the same ANYWHERE in the world, because just about every single country taxes its people.

And no, America rebelled against Britain because they didn't want "taxation without representation." They weren't against taxes themselves.

Taxation is a sociopath? No, no it isn't.

[Elephantintheroom01]

Nice of you to represent the entire of America... But there is good evidence to suggest that they knew exactly what they were doing because they didnt set up a tax scheme until... 1910? We'll it was never ratified by all the states and thats where we are today.

No, but thinking your justified in using force against those who don't fit into your ideal world is sociopathic.

[p00lman]

Nope, taxes started in the 1870s, but tariffs existed even earlier.

Law isn't force. That's why we have a word called "law" and a word called "force."

[Elephantintheroom01]

I meant to say income tax,

Action without authority is force. How would you like it if Iran came over and started imposing sharia law on you? They may have no authority to do so but its not as if it matters, you have no power to effect any change on unjust laws in either country.

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[Elephantintheroom01]

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Common law was constructed with the idea that to live in a society you must agree to its laws. This has been circumvented, covered up and not taught.

The fact remains that there is a reason for it; to protect against dictators with sweeping public support. They have no authority to act on you without permission. The nature of democracy is that all leaders form mini empires and thus laws have been passed wrongly which can force you such as the income tax which was never ratified.

[p00lman]

Good thing that the law is the authority of our country.

[Elephantintheroom01]

Wrong.

But i suppose you can surrender to anyone you want to.

[p00lman]

If law isn't authority, then what is?

[Elephantintheroom01]

That depends on the answere to this question:

Is authority given or taken?

[p00lman]

What the hell does that question mean?

Think about this: with liberty and justice for all.

The government, though the judicial system, is responsible for ensuring that its people receive justice.

It relies on laws to determine what that entails.

Without laws, the judicial system cannot ensure justice, and the government cannot protect its people.

In such an anarchistic scenario, individuals decide what is just. Such individuals may arbitraily decide that theft is worthy of death.

[Elephantintheroom01]

Who gave the government that responsibility or the authority to carry it out? Was it given or taken?

So your system is that common people cannot be trusted to make the right decision, should not have the power to and this justifies why they are never educated to. If they cannot make their own choices then they must be forced to comply with those of their betters. This system has already dispensed with liberty and justice for all in favour of the control of the few.

[p00lman]

Obviously it was given. Did you not read the Constitution?

The law protects people from each other.

[Elephantintheroom01]

No, i havent read the constitution however i'm aware that what it sets forth are foundations for a republic, not a democracy where these laws can be amended out of existence and America can become some politicians (or group of elites) empire game.

[p00lman]

America has always been a democratic republic. The terms are not mutually exclusive.

Amendments have always existed. That's why they're part of the original constitution.

I don't know which kind of government you imagine America is, but that government doesn't exist and never has. Get with reality.

[Elephantintheroom01]

Not with that attitude.

They are mutually exclusive, democracy excludes a true republic, as indeed it has done, through amendments and successive terms of corrupt leaders who serve industry and companies before they serve the people. Why? Because its the most practical. Its impractical to ensure that justice exists for all when you can just win all the time.

[p00lman]

Amendments have existed since the founding of the country (this democratic republic).

What country did you think this was supposed to be?

[Elephantintheroom01]

You've completely disregarded what Ive said, i don't think Ive done that to you yet?

The constitution made America seem something like Switzerland. However you traded freedom for security and got neither, just as Benjamin Franklin said.

[p00lman]

I've got both. Sorry to hear that you're neither free nor secure.

[Elephantintheroom01]

Fool.

[p00lman]

If being free and secure makes me a fool, I'm living a fool's life.

[Elephantintheroom01]

The invasion of Iraq even though there was no WMDs (strangely), the fact that Saddam was saying hed let weapon inspectors in and Bush wouldnt take yes for an answer.

All politicians and historians admit no connection between 9/11 and Saddam. The fact that your country invaded a nation at peace, and killed over 1million citizens is indicative of peace? And now that youve spat in the eye of the Muslim do you think you will have security?

What kind of life was it you lead?

[p00lman]

What does this have to do with American laws?

[Elephantintheroom01]

You raised the point, i was demonstrating how your laws do not make you free and secure, if anything they trade freedom for security, but not of a very effective kind.

If you havent the memory for an argument then please stop, as i havent the strength.

[p00lman]

Invading Iraq has nothing to do with laws.

You've become rather confused. I guess losing an argument and looking like an idiot will do that.

[Elephantintheroom01]

I have lost nothing, i have said nothing that is not true if youd research it for yourself.

I have finished with the subject of law as i've said everything i need to say. I have now illustrated how the law does not apply to those that enforce it and that you have no real freedom or security because of it.

I'm surprised your still arguing actually. You have mostly spoken fact however my facts are more powerful and more prevalent and you have not rebutted any of them = you lose.

[p00lman]

Desperation really doesn't look good on you. Maybe you should try something in a light purple.

[Elephantintheroom01]

By all debating standards you have lost. You have not rebutted my arguments: you have not told me why i'm wrong. This is because i believe you cannot prove i'm wrong. You have lost, say whatever you have, to rationalise it, but you've lost.

I gave you the opportunity to understand and exchange opinions but instead I get insults, there is nothing more i can do for you. You are the worst kind of troll, you are a disinformation agent, you care nothing for rationality, your job is to oppose.

[p00lman]

Don't despair, bucko. It's embarrassing for everyone.

[Elephantintheroom01]

Don't talk to me.

[p00lman]

Aw poor baby.

[mrethrift]

You are embarrassing to everyone. GO AWAY!

[mrethrift]

Maybe you should try stepping out of here. You're never going to convince anyone of anything by trolling.

[mrethrift]

Being poolman the troll and looking like poolman the idiot will do that, but it doesn't stop you from confusing decent argumentative behavior with asininity.

[mrethrift]

What do you have to do with civil discussion? Any common ground there?

[HHODork]

Yesterday,sep 08, the same chopper landed behind Johnson's restaurant on rt 202/4 in Northwood. I think the owner or operator of the chopper lives in the NH area. Not sure if its a privately owned or government owned chopper. Its the same chopper you guys are seeing. I see it once a month over Bow Lake.

[woodlandcammo27]

Homeland inSECUIRITY at it's best. Thousands of illegals, pounds of drugs and shady people cross our borders , but yet they spy on citizens. I know you guys are free staters but are you truly free?

[p00lman]

So in other words, your "internationalist" label was just bullshit ad hominem. Thanks for clarifying.

[p00lman]

Ha! This coming from the person who wants to live in a society but doesn't want to pay taxes.

What a fucking hypocrite.

[p00lman]

Actually, I'm an individual. I don't go around to videos just to pat other people on the back and tell them that I blindly agree with them.

[mcgrawtim123]

Dave, if you want to know about helicopters, go talk to the aircraft mechanics at the airport. I'm a retired a/c mechanic and we know all the dirt about what's flying and why or why not.

[MagnusIan]

Forceful taxation is bullshit. End the IRS NOW!

[p00lman]

I'm glad the government is out there doing its job and keeping criminals from causing more trouble.

[cdimmm]

I'm wondering who you are referring to, the Brown's, the woman from the newspaper or both.

[p00lman]

People who refuse to pay taxes are committing a crime. They are criminals.

[Forgoten214]

Wow shouldn't it be illegal for them to fly over your property recording everything you do?

[dvmcgovern]

When did Ed & Elaine get out of prison?

[Kapan60]

They haven't.

[Libertytreeradio]

"not part of the black chopper crowd but..."

Very sad that you would make that comment in an attempt to be politically correct. Your enemy isn't going to "love" you more because you try to compensate for their anti patriot propaganda.

Libertytreeradio for more vids on youtube.

[conspiracy777]

We are being held captive at the barrel of a gun and we don't even know it. If you don't pay your taxes you'll be gathered up at gun point. I'm not a paranoid person, but it will be very obvious in days ahead for anyone who tries to oppose the powers that be.

[josda1000]

i totally agree.  and this day is coming up quickly, i can really feel it.

[p00lman]

That's because it's illegal to refuse to pay taxes.

As it is anywhere in the world.

[greatbroad]

On September 19, 2002, while attending my first rally in Washington, D.C. with the group ANSWER from Chicago,( say no to US war with Iraq), helicopters came to rest over the crowds when there were Speakers, speaking. Very distracting and noisy. As a result, it was near impossible to hear what they were saying. I felt it was a hostile act, but what do I know?

[MrBiblia]

The government can be as "hostile" as they want....while we have to take it up the ass with a smile ;-D

They've been surveiling me too!!

[greatbroad]

@ MrBiblia

I see you are a Ron Paul supporter, too. That will get you into a lot of trouble; truth is treason in an Empire of Lies, and all of that. For me, sometimes I use something to dull the pain : )